Ambitious psychopaths wear suits, hold degrees, have prestige and acquire positions of great power. It is an irrefutable historical pattern.
MIT is arguably the most secretive institution of higher learning and Chomsky got his start there working on classified machine translation technology, the precursor to echelon. Would def. contractors really give a dissenter that kind of clearance.
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You quote Chomsky out of context. He is saying who cares about a present event causing the death of 3k people, when the same government has caused the death of hundreds of thousands in illegal wars/occupations. Its like accusing a clearly guilty bank robber of shoplifting in the past.
The conspiracy theory Chomsky refers to is that the conspiracy was amongst the president and the US government. He refutes that conspiracy. Are you arguing that indeed George Bush did conspire to to bomb the world trade center?
For the professor to throw around the term "conspiracy theory" so quickly, should make any intelligent person wonder about his motives.
Noam was a motivator in my world view and to hear him speak of the actual conspiracy that took place that day, with such a flippant attitude, makes me cringe.
Chomsky denies the agenda for full spectrum dominance, denies the Revolution in Military Affairs, and denies all the calls for a "New Pearl Harbor" in the 1990s. Chomksy is rendered uttery irrelevant here: outlawjournalism com/forum/viewtopic php?t=5691
Chomsky denies the agenda for full spectrum dominance, denies the Revolution in Military Affairs, and denies all the calls for a "New Pearl Harbor" in the 1990s. Chomksy is rendered uttery irrelevant here: outlawjournalism com/forum/viewtopic php?t=5691
he says who cares because really what difference does it make who killed the people, the fact remains those people are dead. to someone like noam 3,000 dead as a result of 911 is the same as 3,000 iraqis dying as a result of cluster bombings. if you believe it was an inside job okay that's great but it's not like the people who died were the last or only who perished during Bush's reign as president. pay attention to what's happening now and stop atrocities before they happen
Do the fawning libtards with "Che" tees realize that their commie-loving idol Chomsky is protecting the Neocons, the government and the establishment media who lie through their teeths? Chomsky is a hypocrit of epic proportions. Can you spell C-O-N-T-R-O-L-L-E-D O-P-P-O-S-I-T-I-O-N ?
Oh he's an expert on manufacturing consent indeed!
Chomsky has been bought or scared to death. I watched manufacturing consent and read the book. Back in Chomsky's prime this 911 cover up would have been his number one concern. He would have written a book devoted to it, etc etc... anyone who says otherwise has not studied the man's teachings & philosophy. He is suddenly acting like a bizzaro version of himself. An opposite clone. It's crazy. I wonder what they did to get him to say what he is saying now. it's sad. 911 is over we loose.
@mydogjesus So your claiming authority over interpretation of chomskys teachings? Sounds incredibly arrogant to me. In fact most who have studied Chomskys work agree with him that 9-11 was not an inside job. Next time you talk out of your ass make sure your words arnt covered in bullshit.
Beware this fucking jews...when it comes to filthy jew pigs "rightwing" "leftwing" is all the same...their "religion" (actually their religion is an atheistic racial religion thats why most jews call themselfs atheist) tells them that its their duty to "destroy" all Nations and Religions and establish a One World Government controlled in Jerusalem.
Chomsky, like ALL leftwing intellectuals is a professional liar...
@GodHatesPortugal Chomsky doesnt believe in god, the Jewish religion does. He condems the imperialistic actions of Isreal. The vast majority of Jews dont beleive in establishing a one world government in Jerusalem. Your racist ideology has no merit. GodHatesYou.
Uhhhh...most RELIGIOUS jews dont beleive in God, its a racist-supremacist "religion" the God of most of the Jews is them, their tribe. If you dont even know the most basic principles of judaism you shouldnt be saying anything about it. And yes, Chomsky stated that the horrible RACIST Talmud is "the most perfect text book", there is an interview with him on the web where he clearly states this. And yes he critizises Israel because he has too, its controlled oposition.
@GodHatesPortugal Ive done minimal research and I know for a fact that Jews believe in God. Half of the old testamant is people getting scolded by God for not doing the rituals properly. Yes early on in the old testament is very tribalistic but later on when the prophets come it develops much more universal beliefs. And yes fundamentalist Jews are fucked but so are fundamentalists of any religion.
This is baffling alright -- Chomsky basically discreditting any and all conspiracies, including the murders of JFK, RFK, MLK & Malcolm X? Maybe Chomsky is acting as a disinfo double-agent, waiting for an optimum time & opportunity, perhaps triggered by a major event, to suddenly declare FOR an Inside Job after having seriously & deeply investigating the abundant evidence, thereby compelling all the many lefty-libral hanger-ons to ALSO examine 911 in the context of official lies, schemes & plots?
I, like you, have watched that interview multiple times and was astonished to hear him say, "who cares." The next few sentences he says that follow in that interview are impt., but you missed them, for whatever reasons.
Yes, it's incredible he said that, and one can speculate MULTIPLE reasons as to why. Watch the interview again and listen to what he says after he says, "who cares.:
Also, consider other factors that would compel him to say it.
He says 'who cares' because 9/11 is over. Those people are dead and there's nothing you can do about that, save for attempt to bring the perpetrators to justice. Sad, of course, but over.
The reason he says 'who cares' is because he believes there are far worse crimes being committed right now that need to be stopped, namely countless genocides, civil wars, and nuclear weapons development. People who study 9/11, like the person who posted this video, are essentially wasting their time.
this video is nothing but a piteous attempt to present someone's sick ideas, using 'Chomsky's name for publicity.
Yeah, you discovered a great conspiracy: Chomsky, Bush and bin Laden are all closest friends and Chomsky knew all the hijackers, in fact he trained them himself, just before Bush sent people to Saudi Arabia to falsify visas for them! LOL! yeeeeeeah right! And I am the next British Queen. GROW UP!
Strange you left this video because I do find it strange how he out rightly dismisses the possibility of any internal involvement.
May be he just see's that if he were to support the movement it could start a reactionary revolutionary movement that may end up with results far worse than allowing them to get away with it.
Again, saying that doesn't make it so. Do you care to refute any of the evidence presented? Or are just going to mindlessly pan 9/11 truth without addressing any of the evidence?
How can Chomsky ignore such incredible evidence? What incredible evidence? I didn't see any. This video provides nothing this isn't cirsumstantial and no dissenting opinions are presented to explain the "evidence". Are we really to believe those dissenting opinions do not exist? Why not present them? Also the way that the narrator cherry-picked quotes and misinterpreted quotes from Noam Chomsky reflected very poorly on the narrator and the producers of the video.
A lot of the information provided here to combat Chomsky's reasoning is provided in the book Crossing the Rubicon by Michael Ruppert. Check it out! It will help shed some light into what really happened on 9/11...because who really believes the 9/11 Commission Report anyways? And now we are getting screwed by the Obama administration with multiple bailouts, a horrible stimulus plan, and a massive injection of 7.36 trillion dollars into the US economy. Once again America, take it in the ass.. =(
Great video. I was a huge Chomsky fan until I heard him say that the questions we have didn't matter... It's very telling for someone so outspoken and usually critical of the government to suddenly be so unquestioning; especially considering the huge number of anomalies surrounding the incident.
don't dis chomsky so easily. he was one of the first to bring to light the dealings with the media. do a little more research or just give the guy the option of his opinion. Chomsky willnot be sold out what he says he believes. that is his right. perhaps he swill change his opinion. find someone else to attack...jeeze.
He was not telling people to not ask questions...he just thinks the 'conspiracy' theories are wrong...and who am i - a stupid 17 year old idiot who knows nothing - to argue with Chomsky?
Yeah, sure, Chomsky is a "man of the people". BS! If he was, he certainly would not say "who cares" about his own government killing his fellow citizens. Yeah sure, just another 3000. "Tack them on to the rest", you say? If that's the case, then why don't we just kill everyone who doesn't conform to US interests? It would only be another US invasion. 'Who cares'...right?
Please people, stop defending the man and reclaim your morals. For humanitys sake!
Well, I think Chomsky is on to something when he asks who cares. Who fucking cares about the people in Cantor Fitzgerald? Or the Pentagon?
One million plus poor brown people have been killed in an illegal war, and there aren't as many videos on YouTube about that because people in America still care more about Americans that they do about the rest of the world.
Why can't people realize (some do) that as time moves forward we are becoming more out-of-touch with our true nature, which is that we are aggressive and sexual beings. We are being wrapped up in sociological evolution. This is not natural but man made, or should I say government created. The ball is to powerful and fast now to slow down. The end result will be true bedlam. This is just my opinion of course.
You bash on Chomsky, but you fail to recognize that 95% of his intellect and argument is intact. So what if he doesn't want to get into the details of 9/11, he's already pointed out WHY 9/11 occurred, WHY the US is a terrorist state, and WHY our politics are empirical and need to be cleansed. He is a brilliant man, undeserving of your bullshit targeting. Get this - the public is done, programmed, and distracted with worry about the economy and election. They they will 'always forget'.
Yet another amateur video with all kinds of allegations and statements without meaningfull sources. Quoting some amateur weblog or rumor and treat it like fact? Rated 1 star for poor content (whatever it is about) and video quality.
You only need to read his work or watch his full unedited interviews to know that Chomsky is for the people not against them. His books are hard going but his interviews are extremely interesting and easy to follow. Don't dismiss Chomsky because of this video. Look at his history say with the civil rights movement. I think it unlikely that the person who created this video has read/researched Chomsky. I have read and watch a lot of Chomsky's work and this video is not representative.
like he said, its irrefutable. they used his own words! i love chomsky's work, but on this issue, i think he's using the same techniques he analyzes.. some people just dont want to touch the really dangerous stuff. bad things would happen to Noam if he told the truth on this one.
I've read a stack of Chomsky books. He consistently runs cover for the banking cartel, the UN, and the secret societies of the powerful (CFR, Bilderberg...). He is a shill.
"If on the other hand every citizen realizes that the only guarantee for security and peace in this atomic age is the constant development of a supra-national government, then he will do everything in his power to strengthen the United Nations." - Albert Einstein
freeyourcrt - I wish you would get a grip and look at the real facts of US history since WWII. Look around you - soon in the next decade we'll be economically destroyed and facing a facist gov't state of control. Hmmmm....
I beg to differ. Chomsky, friend of the learned and enemy of the ignorant, will swoop in and save us all with his superior mind powers and total comprehension on all things worth knowing. It's nice to know I don't have to think when Super Chom is on the job.
freeyourcrt - I'm with you, on your side, but do you not realize just how powerful and how far reaching "they" are? It is going to take a universal concentrated effort to defeat them.
I try and not consider this in the context of a war with victory or defeat as a goal. I try my best to live by my principles, love as much as I can and generally ignore the rest.
I would like to see the "who cares?" statement in context. I get the feeling it may be misrepresented but with how many people are lying to us these day, it could very well be true.
First. All of the screenshots of news articles are from prisonplanet. There is no way we can trust their information to be unbiased. They spin their information as much as Fox, so when reading their reports, one must FOLLOW THE CITATIONS to be sure they are representing the facts honestly. Second, you are grossly over thinking chomsky's intent. He is a philosopher, so no answer will be as simple as, YEA I buy it. He will always overthink it and try to present a unique way to think of things.
Now, I am not claiming this video is wrong in its arguements, I have not studied the facts and can claim to know. But, it also doesnt follow that someone who is wrong on one subject, or two or three or four, somehow makes them implicit to a conspiracy.
i agree. but please, you and mr. chomsky need to study the facts! this is important! please, for the love of humanity! search for the truth. so many people that argue for the official side of 911 tell me 'well i havent seen the facts about that, but i still think our gov't is honest and has our best intention at heart' GO CHENEY!
FATCACAK - you have GOT to be kidding. Cheney is dirty and one of the agents of the Reaganism that brought us into war and dominance over oil. What did it give us? Terror increased 7 times in the last 8 years. Oil prices skyrocketed. MANY soldiers wounded or dead (the impact of which we won't know for years with TBI and PTSD). If you would like, I will help escort you out of the country.
haha THANKFULLY i am not in the country. also, i was kidding. cheney deserves to be impeached even more than bush does. i totally agree with you rare :)
It suffices to read few pages in any of Chomsky's books, listen to his interviews and public appearances to promptly discern the revulsion and utter contempt he beholds for the US government, media, corporations, and ruling technology, value-free driven elites.
every US president ought to be hanged"," east Timor civilian massacres"...
Since the cruelty and ruthlessness of the history presented in 2) is overwhelmingly prevailing, and admits far more listening audience, he brilliantly pursued option 2.
While I agree with Dr. Fetzer in accurately citing that Chomsky's say on 911 is inadequate, but I vehemently disapprove of his opinion of Chomsky's role as an intellectual. He is indeed a leading intellectual.
condemning and ), this is precisely why Chomsky said "so what people die every day" when asked about JFK, in other words he is saying we should not dwell on minor details and dismiss the eccentric issues at hand. You have to remember, Chomsky have in many cases accused the US of much horrendous crimes that that of 911, "biggest terror operation coming out of Washington", slaughtering 2 million Vietnamese civilians". "Cambodia massacres and humanitarian crises", "according to Numberg tribunal...
which discredits him further, and hence antagonizes people who will then skip not only on 911 but all the monstrous lethal policy that Chomsky constantly enumerates and brings to their attention OR,
2)ignore the government's complicity, after all, for Chomsky 911 is a single atrocity against the west compared to the infinite and in many cases according to Chomsky much more lethal atrocities that he exposes (Consider for example the 9/11/1973 atrocity in Chile backed by the US that he keeps...
Ok, here is my take, I read quite a bit of Chomsky's literature and I think I know how he thinks: (I appeal to your patience until this analysis is concluded)
In hindsight, Chomsky realizes the government may be complicit in 911(that's why he says who cares, after all he is no stranger to US's adept spate in aggression and mutilation), but should he bring it out: Here ingenious Chomsky weighs the options:
1)Accuse the government and be labeled a "conspiracy theorist"...
Chomsky is a jew that is towing the jew line regarding 9/11. He know's that the mossad was involved, but he's a jew and he'll play the role of the idiot, and deny the facts.
I REALLY do get sick and tired of these videos because EVERYONE is afraid to name the real perpetrators, i.e. Israel AKA the jews.
americans are so narcissistic that they make a great fuss about what happened inside US but no one cares about, for example, the number of iraqi's death. chomsky is saying that should be reversed, which is a very conservative point of view as far as the world's consent is concerned.
chomsky is an american. and chomsky's objectives always have been focusing on US's own crime against others. if 911 was a inside job, it's a case of US shooting its own foot. what chomsky is saying is US has committed crimes of much greater scale to the others and that's his focus.
I have followed Chomsky for many years and I too was shocked by his 'who cares?' statement. I will be interested to hear any further comments he makes about 9/11 but I fear they may be tarred by the same nonchalance he has already shown.
now you see thats a very devious line of reasoning, because what it does is absolves the USA of any and all responsibility, regardless of the facts or history, and so you can just blame it all on insidious outside influences corrupting the noble and virtuous spirit of the good ole US of A who only ever has the best of intentions in mind for the world and never considers material or strategic gain in its dealings - if this rot can be removed, it will return to the path of the righteous.
Call US Dept of Justice & ask how many 1,000s of annual cases they prosecute for "conspiracy" (drugs or "terrorism"), which does NOT require any actual crime to win a conviction, and is the easiest of all cases to prosecute. Jew Chomsky is a willing collaborator in the non-Semitic "Jewish" Mossad (MI6) NeoCon treason on 9/11. He knows that Operation Northwoods was signed by Jewish General Lyman Lemnitzer, which also confessed to the JFK assassination in CIA's Operation Mongoose.
They're terrible governments given aid & arms. How is Israel different? Often they are assigned to 'policing' their region: South Africa in Southern Africa afte the Portugese empire colapsed; Pakistan in South Asia; in the 70s the role of Turkey, Israel & Iran was explained when Nixon described them as the 'local cop on the beat', the US was very pleased with Israels destruction of Arab Nationalism in the 60s, it will continue to provide this role so long as the US has interests in the region
USAs relationship with Israel is no different than its relationship with South American & Middle Eastern dictatorships too numerous to mention, arpartheid South Africa, Iran under the Shah, Pakistan, South Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesia, etc
Chomsky was called a conspiracy theorist in the past. I think that really hurt his ego, so he blinds his judgement from anything perceived as such. I understand his reluctance in the short year or two after 9-11, but now there is so much evidence that it is undeniable that we've at least been lied to.
Chomsky simply requires evidence, as do so many people on the left. These 9/11 conspiracy theories aren't based on evidence, they are the result of people wanting to believe something, i.e. "evil America killed its own on 9/11" and then inventing their so-called evidence.
No concrete connection?? How about the fact that in the 5 years before 911 there were over 200 instances of jets flying off course within the continental US. Of those 200, do you know how many were intercepted by NORAD? 100%. ALL OF THEM. On 911? Zero.
How about the assertion that a Boeing jet flew into a 16 foot space and practically totally disappeared. Meanwhile the Pentagon will not release the tapes?
How about, despite the fact that the jet dissapeared a govt agency said it was able to identify almost all of the passengers by dental records. So titanian will disintegrate but damn those molars are strong. Please...
How about Operstion Noble Gaurdian? Military operations that quite literally mimicked 911 being exercised on the same day?! And then for the govt to have the gall to say that 'who would have expected that terrorists would fly planes into buildings'
those are called circumstantial evidences. sure you can speculate a lot from those. again, i don't believe the US government's reports on 911, but your speculations won't tell the truth either.
okay, then this is like a civil case not a criminal one, according to you. or maybe with what you got, you can execute a black dude in USA.
i'm not saying that i need more evidences. i'm just saying you need to examine the evidences much more carefully. again, i don't believe in the government official report on 911 and i'm sympathetic to steven jones' papers. but i believe that so far we don't have enough information to any conclusion.
and if US citizens were much more careful examining evidences and situations and careful not to rush to conclusions, trust me, US would be a much better place.
"i'm not saying that i need more evidences"...but..." i believe that so far we don't have enough information to any conclusion". These two sentences are contradictory. Either you have enough evidence or you don't.
You obviously haven't been presented with enough evidence to believe it the US govt did it. So be it. I completely disagree with you. In my opinio, the only thing left to see is Cheney himself pressing the button on the detonators.
correction: "i'm not saying that i need more [circumstantial] evidences"
hey, i would love to see direct evidences of orders from white house related to 911. i disagree with "the only thing left to see is Cheney himself..." because there are a lot more to see, for i'm all for more 911 investigations (of course not by the government). there is nothing that i want to believe in. all i want to see are evidences and facts.
You want orders from the white house? They're there as well. Look up Secretary of Transport Norman Mannetta's remarks in front of the 911 Commission. He unmistankingly says that Chenney ordered a stand-down on the plane approaching the Pentagon.
But I'm pretty sure that you won't believe that either.
hmm..., i never understood this, maybe you can explain it to me with some contexts. i think you are talking about this.
watch?v=QlM8Sui6-X0
they are talking about the order to shoot down a commercial airplane and Mineta is saying that the order that young man was refering to was the order to shoot down, right? where does stand-down come in?
Well doesn't it seem rather obvious? "It's 30 miles out,...it's 10 miles out...do the orders still stand?" What do you think those orders were - continue trying to shoot it down? Or maybe, continue eating your bologny sandwich? If there were shoot down orders it wouldn't have taken a plane to travel 20 miles to press the button.
wait, that's your argument, "seems rather obvious"? no, like, documents or witnesses? isn't it rather a wild speculation to assume the order was NOT to shoot down when the commission is questioning about the order of shooting down a commercial airplane and never mentioning anything related to stand down? how come? what if chomsky's entire political work is based on "seems rather obvious to me, though i wouldn't want to present any concrete evidence"?
The thing is I have all the evidence I need and then some. It's you who is naive in not being able to put together ALL the pieces. If we had to put all the criminals up to the same standard you do the US gov't, the US jails would be empty.
Funny how neither you nor KentAllard has answered any of my questions about 911. Like how did WTS fall whe 3 and 4 (which were much closer) not fall. Why did Norad stand down? Why were there similar military exercises on that day?
"US jails would be empty" well, let me just say that less minorities will be convicted and i would hope that the same standard would apply if, god forbid, i had to go to the court, don't you?
once again, i'm sympathetic to steven jones, and i'm convinced that WTCs came down with more than just jet fuel, not to mention #7.
but that doesn't necessarily lead to a simple conclusion that the government did it.
Yes, of course I would. In fact I would expect far more! 1) I would expect the state prosecutor to do their job to charge me 2) I would expect to have to go to trial. 3) I would expect to have to defend myself against the evidence 4) I would expect that my accusors would give evidence sperately and on record (not like Bush and Chenney).
Wouldn't you...?
People have been charged with murder on far less.
I obviously can't make you see it, so there's no point in continuing.
Well, I'll tell you what. If Bush and Cheney are willing to say "Hey, you know what? We were wrong. There were no WMD. So tomorrow we're pulling all of our troops out of Iraq. We're sorry." then I'd be MORE than willing to go on EVERY youtube vid where I've posted "911 was an inside job" (and there are ALOT of them) and say I was wrong as well.
Somehow I doubt that will happen. So much for the nobleand righteous USofA.
Those responsib;e are afraid of revolution. That is why there has been an escalation in the imposition of martial law, unusual weather events and urban warfare exercises.
No drugs here thank you, no use of pharmacueticals. Just a reliance on good wholesome food combined with a preparedness to question everything, especially when it comes from corrupt leaders who think themselves beyond the reach of sanity and the law.
I just read this "scientific paper". I don't think it refutes Chomsky. Firstly, this isn't a reputable scientific journal (it is too small/new etc...). More importantly the paper DOES NOT conclude that the towers came down as part of a controlled event. The presentation of this as evidence contradicting Chomsky is misleading.
what's upsetting to me about chomsky's argument regarding wtc 7 is the fact that no organization, not the nist, not fema, NOT ANY UNIVERSITY, has published an article explaining the collapse of wtc 7 in any scientific journal. ZERO.
chomsky really is an enigma in the post 9/11 world.
WHAT?! Are y€ou serious? Not only have you not apparently not reviewed the facts of 911 you haven't listened to the movement either. They give reasons all the time. Such as, it was the location of Giuliani's emergency control bunker, where the majority of the evidence on the ENRON scandal as well as hundreds of other Wall ST insider trading investigations were stored, etc.
they killed 3,000 people and blew up the world trade centre and part of the pentagon to cover up enron (did a good job with that btw) and insider trading investigations? Who comes up with this stuff, the writers of Spy vs. Spy?
I suppose they orchestrated Jones Town just so to kill Leo Ryan
Right. Does the same go for the government when it comes to the detainees in Guantanamo? Or Osama Bin Laden for that matter. Where's the evidence there? Where are court cases for heavens sake. Let us have the court cases and see the evidence against them. Then maybe some of the REAL evidence will come out when these persons form a defence. But of course court cases will never happen exactly for that reason, because then the government may be forced to face the facts proposed in a defence.
because someone else ignores proceedure and decides "fuck it, you're guilty, case closed." doesn't somehow justify you doing the same exact thing and making wild claims, they blew WTC7, and not explain why or provide a reason
In that case I'll make you a deal. You press your congress to hold two hearings: one for the govt perpetrating 911 AND one for the Guantanamo detainees perpetrating it.
I'll take my chances on the role of the dice to see who comes out as more guilty. Will you?
By the way, answer me this if you wouldn't mind. Can you tell me why WTC buildings three and four (which were right beside WTC 1 and 2 and underneath them when they fell) did not fall? In case you doubt it please send me your email and I'll send you copies of the pictures. If you don't wish to send me your email I will try to find the links. and post them.
Well, that's the problem, isn't it. Apathy is exactly what allows govts to do such things over and over again with impunity. I wonder if you would care if it was your father/mother/child in the WTC that day or if it was you being slaughtered in Iraq.
And with that response KentAllard I can no longer respond to your posts. If you don't care I no longer care to attempt to make you see the truth.
wow, what a crazy admission... apathy at it's finest, or worst i guess.
p.s. the burden of proof is set upon the government to provide coherence to their official story of what happened on 9-11. they failed to do so. the commission was a sham. if the official story isn't true, what is?
even if its intentional negligence, that is inself outright treason.
these war criminals should be taken to the stake, and i don't even believe in the death penalty... but we can make a couple exceptions
if chomsky is a "gatekeeper" who supposedly defines the limits of criticism of the US government then why would he repeatedly say that the US government has committed numerous and far worse crimes than 911?
You're argument is double-sided. If he does assert that the US govt has committed numerous and far worse crimes then why is he so quick to dismiss the possibility that they committed 911? Given his knowledge it's only logical to assume that he would lean towards that conclusion, not away from it.
so if says the US government killed a couple million people, involved itself in drug smuggling, assassination of political dissidents, but cant see any evidence for 911 - then obviously the man is a paid shill!
I don't believe that conclusion to be logical. If it is true that he is not a "gatekeeper" or being payed off, then the logical conclusion seems to be that he has looked at the facts and reached a conclusion.
By the way my argument is only double sided if you assume that 911 was an inside job
He's not as quick to dismiss this theory as this video leads you to believe. There are youtube videos as well as books (imperial ambitions, what we say goes) in which he thoroughly explains his position.
How is it a logical conclusion that IF he is a gatekeeper THEN he must have reviewed the facts?? That's non-sensicle and filled with presumptions. It's quite the opposite. IF he was a gatekeeper THEN he would NOT have reviewed the facts because he would be wanting to 'keep the gate'. And the facts blow the gate wide open. You need to study IF/THEN logistics as used in mathematical theory.
Also you do not need to assume 911 was an inside job for your arguement to be double sided. What is necessary is the POSSIBILITY that it could have been.
And given that he is far more aware than most of instances where the US govt HAS perpetrated such acts, it is quite peculiar that he considers this one "extremely unlikely".
That's not what i said. i wrote "if it is true that he is NOT a gatekeeper".
I think there have been several misunderstandings. I thought after your first reply that you thought he was NOT a gatekeeper because it was the assumption (the "if") in your first "if/then" statement.
Anyway i'd like to return to the general point of my initial post. which is that i cant see any evidence that chomsky is a gatekeeper.
But never against he their own people. I suspect the reason he is not willing to admit to the fact that it's a stong possibility is due to the fact that some teenage kids figured it out before he did. And given his reputation for being at the forefront of expsoing such tyranny, his pride will not let him admit that he was 'beat to the punch', by several years, by a couple of kids. That AND the fact he was duped by the very media tactics he himslef exposed several decades earlier.
this is speculation and so we can't really argue this.
What am i meant to say? I can't say "chomsky is too righteous and principled to be jealous of teenagers" because i have never met him and he has never spoken on this topic. However, you also have no real evidence to the contary. As for your first point there are tons of examples. Global warming, nuclear proliferation, class warfare, inadequate social services.
There's loads of government crimes that affect the US people.
But there has NEVER been a case where there is direct evidence of the US gov't killing it's own people. Now there is. It's a fact, as much as you may wish not to believe it.
Setting aside COINTELPRO and similar programs that did directly murder people, i fail to see the moral difference between 911 and american soldiers being sent to their deaths because of the greed of the US corporations and their government lapdogs of hundreds of thousands of people who die every year because of inadequate social services.
Well, there is a huge difference. First, you choose to go to Iraq. But, or course, you should have enough intelligence to determine who your enemies are.
"die every year because of inadequate social services" ? If you're sick, you see it coming. You can make choices. No one had a choice on the WTC floors and those who ended up underneath them.
I'm not for healthcare when what's proposed is the type that forces everyone to have private health care. That's only a win for insurance companies. Then you go and make a claim you're lucky if they pay you. First you're forced to get auto insurance in order to drive, now they'll force you to have private insurance. Next, you'll be forced to have home insurance.
By the way, do you know who some of the biggest contributors to political campaigns are?
Many people in the military did not "choose" to go. That choice was made by the US government. And since we all know now and knew then that there were obviously no WMD's and even if there were it wouldn't be justification for a war, and that the invasion was all about money, we know that it was a CHOICE the government made, they weren't forced into it. the US government engaged in illegal actions it knew would kill its own people. This is equivalent to murder under US and international law.
A more important questions though is why you consider the lives of Americans as valued more highly than others.
Surely life is valued equally.
If this is true, you will agree that an attack on the US populace is no worse a crime than for example, what took place september 11, 1973, when the CIA overthrew the democratically elected government of Chile, killed several thousand people, and initiated the reign of Pinochet, a brutal dictator who tortured and murdered many more.
If anything, killing american citizens is less of a serious offense. One - If of a particularly callous disposition - could argue that, as the americans installed the bush regime, they would be partially responsible for the crimes they committed, including ones against themselves.
What's really disappointing to me about this is how a man who, for decades, attempted to expose the dispotic workings of central governments (specifically the US's) and tried to uphold truth and justice for the 'common man' would, in the last few years of his life, expose himself as a fraud with his very own words.
He completely destroys his own reputation with two words. He's a tragic let-down.
Chomsky is a bunch of hype. He isn't even worth a response.
intlkeyboards 3 months ago
Ambitious psychopaths wear suits, hold degrees, have prestige and acquire positions of great power. It is an irrefutable historical pattern.
MIT is arguably the most secretive institution of higher learning and Chomsky got his start there working on classified machine translation technology, the precursor to echelon. Would def. contractors really give a dissenter that kind of clearance.
Smedley2323 5 months ago
The first part of this video Isn't working.
Ryukikon 7 months ago
PUBLIC HEALTH WARNING. Government shills have infested Youtube, and wider internet, like rabid rats. They post crap that backs up the government narrative on all sorts of unsavory issues. Ignore them and mock them. They'll be tracked down. They'll soon get their comeuppance and find themesleves doing hard time picking up shower soap! ;-) Shilling for mass murderers online is disgusting and not acceptable. If you can find the heart, then say a prayer for these DIRTBAGS... :-(
illuminumnuts 7 months ago 4
You quote Chomsky out of context. He is saying who cares about a present event causing the death of 3k people, when the same government has caused the death of hundreds of thousands in illegal wars/occupations. Its like accusing a clearly guilty bank robber of shoplifting in the past.
qonf 9 months ago
The conspiracy theory Chomsky refers to is that the conspiracy was amongst the president and the US government. He refutes that conspiracy. Are you arguing that indeed George Bush did conspire to to bomb the world trade center?
madelefant05 1 year ago 2
For the professor to throw around the term "conspiracy theory" so quickly, should make any intelligent person wonder about his motives.
Noam was a motivator in my world view and to hear him speak of the actual conspiracy that took place that day, with such a flippant attitude, makes me cringe.
NOmeansnoFAN 1 year ago
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Chomsky denies the agenda for full spectrum dominance, denies the Revolution in Military Affairs, and denies all the calls for a "New Pearl Harbor" in the 1990s. Chomksy is rendered uttery irrelevant here: outlawjournalism com/forum/viewtopic php?t=5691
Blissentia 1 year ago
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Blissentia 1 year ago
he says who cares because really what difference does it make who killed the people, the fact remains those people are dead. to someone like noam 3,000 dead as a result of 911 is the same as 3,000 iraqis dying as a result of cluster bombings. if you believe it was an inside job okay that's great but it's not like the people who died were the last or only who perished during Bush's reign as president. pay attention to what's happening now and stop atrocities before they happen
tzarjez 1 year ago
Thanks alot for that information.
Caligirl1st 1 year ago
Do the fawning libtards with "Che" tees realize that their commie-loving idol Chomsky is protecting the Neocons, the government and the establishment media who lie through their teeths? Chomsky is a hypocrit of epic proportions. Can you spell C-O-N-T-R-O-L-L-E-D O-P-P-O-S-I-T-I-O-N ?
Oh he's an expert on manufacturing consent indeed!
draggeddownthehole 1 year ago
@draggeddownthehole Shut the fuck up the retard. Not every Chom fan is a Che fan, and not every CHe fan is a liberal you simpleton.
Mosley2 1 year ago
Chomsky has been bought or scared to death. I watched manufacturing consent and read the book. Back in Chomsky's prime this 911 cover up would have been his number one concern. He would have written a book devoted to it, etc etc... anyone who says otherwise has not studied the man's teachings & philosophy. He is suddenly acting like a bizzaro version of himself. An opposite clone. It's crazy. I wonder what they did to get him to say what he is saying now. it's sad. 911 is over we loose.
mydogjesus 1 year ago
@mydogjesus So your claiming authority over interpretation of chomskys teachings? Sounds incredibly arrogant to me. In fact most who have studied Chomskys work agree with him that 9-11 was not an inside job. Next time you talk out of your ass make sure your words arnt covered in bullshit.
Billcot1 1 year ago
Beware this fucking jews...when it comes to filthy jew pigs "rightwing" "leftwing" is all the same...their "religion" (actually their religion is an atheistic racial religion thats why most jews call themselfs atheist) tells them that its their duty to "destroy" all Nations and Religions and establish a One World Government controlled in Jerusalem.
Chomsky, like ALL leftwing intellectuals is a professional liar...
GodHatesPortugal 1 year ago
@GodHatesPortugal Chomsky doesnt believe in god, the Jewish religion does. He condems the imperialistic actions of Isreal. The vast majority of Jews dont beleive in establishing a one world government in Jerusalem. Your racist ideology has no merit. GodHatesYou.
Billcot1 1 year ago
Uhhhh...most RELIGIOUS jews dont beleive in God, its a racist-supremacist "religion" the God of most of the Jews is them, their tribe. If you dont even know the most basic principles of judaism you shouldnt be saying anything about it. And yes, Chomsky stated that the horrible RACIST Talmud is "the most perfect text book", there is an interview with him on the web where he clearly states this. And yes he critizises Israel because he has too, its controlled oposition.
GodHatesPortugal 1 year ago
@GodHatesPortugal Ive done minimal research and I know for a fact that Jews believe in God. Half of the old testamant is people getting scolded by God for not doing the rituals properly. Yes early on in the old testament is very tribalistic but later on when the prophets come it develops much more universal beliefs. And yes fundamentalist Jews are fucked but so are fundamentalists of any religion.
Billcot1 1 year ago
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@Billcot1 "Half of the old testamant is people getting scolded by God for not doing the rituals properly"
---scolded DIRECTLY by god---
Billcot1 1 year ago
This is baffling alright -- Chomsky basically discreditting any and all conspiracies, including the murders of JFK, RFK, MLK & Malcolm X? Maybe Chomsky is acting as a disinfo double-agent, waiting for an optimum time & opportunity, perhaps triggered by a major event, to suddenly declare FOR an Inside Job after having seriously & deeply investigating the abundant evidence, thereby compelling all the many lefty-libral hanger-ons to ALSO examine 911 in the context of official lies, schemes & plots?
starmanskye 2 years ago
i met bob graham cant believe he would be involved. but the chomsky contradiction is no surprise, he is a complex man.
alexrsuarez1 2 years ago
Very thought provoking. vid.
I, like you, have watched that interview multiple times and was astonished to hear him say, "who cares." The next few sentences he says that follow in that interview are impt., but you missed them, for whatever reasons.
Yes, it's incredible he said that, and one can speculate MULTIPLE reasons as to why. Watch the interview again and listen to what he says after he says, "who cares.:
Also, consider other factors that would compel him to say it.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
He says 'who cares' because 9/11 is over. Those people are dead and there's nothing you can do about that, save for attempt to bring the perpetrators to justice. Sad, of course, but over.
The reason he says 'who cares' is because he believes there are far worse crimes being committed right now that need to be stopped, namely countless genocides, civil wars, and nuclear weapons development. People who study 9/11, like the person who posted this video, are essentially wasting their time.
saxonsnowredux 2 years ago
Wow great video. That is especially telling how he believes the findings of the Warren Commission to be true.
priapus512 2 years ago
Chomsky recognises he's too important to be tainted by the 9/11 truth movement, which is what happens due to the saturation of mocking birds.
Chomsky is the most important intellectual alive, you are no one.
End of!
BigGibbo1986 2 years ago
this video is nothing but a piteous attempt to present someone's sick ideas, using 'Chomsky's name for publicity.
Yeah, you discovered a great conspiracy: Chomsky, Bush and bin Laden are all closest friends and Chomsky knew all the hijackers, in fact he trained them himself, just before Bush sent people to Saudi Arabia to falsify visas for them! LOL! yeeeeeeah right! And I am the next British Queen. GROW UP!
PATHETIC!
yourmonka 2 years ago
Whoa!! FAN BOY ALERT!!!
priapus512 1 year ago
Strange you left this video because I do find it strange how he out rightly dismisses the possibility of any internal involvement.
May be he just see's that if he were to support the movement it could start a reactionary revolutionary movement that may end up with results far worse than allowing them to get away with it.
roland20002000 2 years ago
This video is PURE FAIL
Douglas1102 3 years ago
Again, saying that doesn't make it so. Do you care to refute any of the evidence presented? Or are just going to mindlessly pan 9/11 truth without addressing any of the evidence?
TheLadiesChoice7 2 years ago
What evidence? What are you talking about?
BrideAndGroomFilmsHD 2 years ago
How can Chomsky ignore such incredible evidence? What incredible evidence? I didn't see any. This video provides nothing this isn't cirsumstantial and no dissenting opinions are presented to explain the "evidence". Are we really to believe those dissenting opinions do not exist? Why not present them? Also the way that the narrator cherry-picked quotes and misinterpreted quotes from Noam Chomsky reflected very poorly on the narrator and the producers of the video.
phippsed 3 years ago
A lot of the information provided here to combat Chomsky's reasoning is provided in the book Crossing the Rubicon by Michael Ruppert. Check it out! It will help shed some light into what really happened on 9/11...because who really believes the 9/11 Commission Report anyways? And now we are getting screwed by the Obama administration with multiple bailouts, a horrible stimulus plan, and a massive injection of 7.36 trillion dollars into the US economy. Once again America, take it in the ass.. =(
jugdick 3 years ago
lol.....yeah you guys get screwed all the time!
thethirdchimp 2 years ago
Great video. I was a huge Chomsky fan until I heard him say that the questions we have didn't matter... It's very telling for someone so outspoken and usually critical of the government to suddenly be so unquestioning; especially considering the huge number of anomalies surrounding the incident.
dtmbcorp 3 years ago
don't dis chomsky so easily. he was one of the first to bring to light the dealings with the media. do a little more research or just give the guy the option of his opinion. Chomsky willnot be sold out what he says he believes. that is his right. perhaps he swill change his opinion. find someone else to attack...jeeze.
starphlo123 3 years ago
He was not telling people to not ask questions...he just thinks the 'conspiracy' theories are wrong...and who am i - a stupid 17 year old idiot who knows nothing - to argue with Chomsky?
hunterthompson123 3 years ago
Yeah, sure, Chomsky is a "man of the people". BS! If he was, he certainly would not say "who cares" about his own government killing his fellow citizens. Yeah sure, just another 3000. "Tack them on to the rest", you say? If that's the case, then why don't we just kill everyone who doesn't conform to US interests? It would only be another US invasion. 'Who cares'...right?
Please people, stop defending the man and reclaim your morals. For humanitys sake!
jagiar 3 years ago
Well, I think Chomsky is on to something when he asks who cares. Who fucking cares about the people in Cantor Fitzgerald? Or the Pentagon?
One million plus poor brown people have been killed in an illegal war, and there aren't as many videos on YouTube about that because people in America still care more about Americans that they do about the rest of the world.
coffeebeaner 3 years ago
Why can't people realize (some do) that as time moves forward we are becoming more out-of-touch with our true nature, which is that we are aggressive and sexual beings. We are being wrapped up in sociological evolution. This is not natural but man made, or should I say government created. The ball is to powerful and fast now to slow down. The end result will be true bedlam. This is just my opinion of course.
Thank you for reading and thanks to Noam Chomsky.
BackToOurBasics 3 years ago
This is a pathetic attempt to discredit a great man
garry77777722222 3 years ago
You bash on Chomsky, but you fail to recognize that 95% of his intellect and argument is intact. So what if he doesn't want to get into the details of 9/11, he's already pointed out WHY 9/11 occurred, WHY the US is a terrorist state, and WHY our politics are empirical and need to be cleansed. He is a brilliant man, undeserving of your bullshit targeting. Get this - the public is done, programmed, and distracted with worry about the economy and election. They they will 'always forget'.
rarelibra 3 years ago
Yet another amateur video with all kinds of allegations and statements without meaningfull sources. Quoting some amateur weblog or rumor and treat it like fact? Rated 1 star for poor content (whatever it is about) and video quality.
maastrixx 3 years ago 3
You only need to read his work or watch his full unedited interviews to know that Chomsky is for the people not against them. His books are hard going but his interviews are extremely interesting and easy to follow. Don't dismiss Chomsky because of this video. Look at his history say with the civil rights movement. I think it unlikely that the person who created this video has read/researched Chomsky. I have read and watch a lot of Chomsky's work and this video is not representative.
uwpiggy 3 years ago
like he said, its irrefutable. they used his own words! i love chomsky's work, but on this issue, i think he's using the same techniques he analyzes.. some people just dont want to touch the really dangerous stuff. bad things would happen to Noam if he told the truth on this one.
FATCACAK 3 years ago
I've read a stack of Chomsky books. He consistently runs cover for the banking cartel, the UN, and the secret societies of the powerful (CFR, Bilderberg...). He is a shill.
nealkassanoff 3 years ago
"If on the other hand every citizen realizes that the only guarantee for security and peace in this atomic age is the constant development of a supra-national government, then he will do everything in his power to strengthen the United Nations." - Albert Einstein
ZardexM 3 years ago
I wish, Chomsky, that moth eaten seater wearing old fart, would go back to the study of linguistics and stop telling others what to think.
freeyourcrt 3 years ago
freeyourcrt - I wish you would get a grip and look at the real facts of US history since WWII. Look around you - soon in the next decade we'll be economically destroyed and facing a facist gov't state of control. Hmmmm....
rarelibra 3 years ago
I beg to differ. Chomsky, friend of the learned and enemy of the ignorant, will swoop in and save us all with his superior mind powers and total comprehension on all things worth knowing. It's nice to know I don't have to think when Super Chom is on the job.
freeyourcrt 3 years ago
freeyourcrt - I'm with you, on your side, but do you not realize just how powerful and how far reaching "they" are? It is going to take a universal concentrated effort to defeat them.
rarelibra 3 years ago
I try and not consider this in the context of a war with victory or defeat as a goal. I try my best to live by my principles, love as much as I can and generally ignore the rest.
freeyourcrt 3 years ago
I would like to see the "who cares?" statement in context. I get the feeling it may be misrepresented but with how many people are lying to us these day, it could very well be true.
sapienturk 3 years ago
First. All of the screenshots of news articles are from prisonplanet. There is no way we can trust their information to be unbiased. They spin their information as much as Fox, so when reading their reports, one must FOLLOW THE CITATIONS to be sure they are representing the facts honestly. Second, you are grossly over thinking chomsky's intent. He is a philosopher, so no answer will be as simple as, YEA I buy it. He will always overthink it and try to present a unique way to think of things.
sapienturk 3 years ago
Now, I am not claiming this video is wrong in its arguements, I have not studied the facts and can claim to know. But, it also doesnt follow that someone who is wrong on one subject, or two or three or four, somehow makes them implicit to a conspiracy.
leandrov5 3 years ago
i agree. but please, you and mr. chomsky need to study the facts! this is important! please, for the love of humanity! search for the truth. so many people that argue for the official side of 911 tell me 'well i havent seen the facts about that, but i still think our gov't is honest and has our best intention at heart' GO CHENEY!
FATCACAK 3 years ago
FATCACAK - you have GOT to be kidding. Cheney is dirty and one of the agents of the Reaganism that brought us into war and dominance over oil. What did it give us? Terror increased 7 times in the last 8 years. Oil prices skyrocketed. MANY soldiers wounded or dead (the impact of which we won't know for years with TBI and PTSD). If you would like, I will help escort you out of the country.
rarelibra 3 years ago
haha THANKFULLY i am not in the country. also, i was kidding. cheney deserves to be impeached even more than bush does. i totally agree with you rare :)
FATCACAK 3 years ago
For those of you who believe in the 9/11 conspiracy, please come here
viloloco5 3 years ago
It suffices to read few pages in any of Chomsky's books, listen to his interviews and public appearances to promptly discern the revulsion and utter contempt he beholds for the US government, media, corporations, and ruling technology, value-free driven elites.
Thanks for your patience and posting this...
8Marx8 3 years ago
every US president ought to be hanged"," east Timor civilian massacres"...
Since the cruelty and ruthlessness of the history presented in 2) is overwhelmingly prevailing, and admits far more listening audience, he brilliantly pursued option 2.
While I agree with Dr. Fetzer in accurately citing that Chomsky's say on 911 is inadequate, but I vehemently disapprove of his opinion of Chomsky's role as an intellectual. He is indeed a leading intellectual.
It suffices to read few pages in any of...
8Marx8 3 years ago
condemning and ), this is precisely why Chomsky said "so what people die every day" when asked about JFK, in other words he is saying we should not dwell on minor details and dismiss the eccentric issues at hand. You have to remember, Chomsky have in many cases accused the US of much horrendous crimes that that of 911, "biggest terror operation coming out of Washington", slaughtering 2 million Vietnamese civilians". "Cambodia massacres and humanitarian crises", "according to Numberg tribunal...
8Marx8 3 years ago
ALL true cases! ALSO, 911 was an inside job, but chomsky wont touch it.. maybe they got dirt on him..
FATCACAK 3 years ago
which discredits him further, and hence antagonizes people who will then skip not only on 911 but all the monstrous lethal policy that Chomsky constantly enumerates and brings to their attention OR,
2)ignore the government's complicity, after all, for Chomsky 911 is a single atrocity against the west compared to the infinite and in many cases according to Chomsky much more lethal atrocities that he exposes (Consider for example the 9/11/1973 atrocity in Chile backed by the US that he keeps...
8Marx8 3 years ago
Ok, here is my take, I read quite a bit of Chomsky's literature and I think I know how he thinks: (I appeal to your patience until this analysis is concluded)
In hindsight, Chomsky realizes the government may be complicit in 911(that's why he says who cares, after all he is no stranger to US's adept spate in aggression and mutilation), but should he bring it out: Here ingenious Chomsky weighs the options:
1)Accuse the government and be labeled a "conspiracy theorist"...
8Marx8 3 years ago
Here we go again............
viloloco5 3 years ago
I always thought theory was based on facts, perhaps science. What about the "Theory of Evolution" or "The Big Bang Theory"?
It will be a long process to find the truth, but we must never stop searching for answers.
DianeDi 3 years ago
lol
MshrF 3 years ago
Also A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard was on "Blackwater's advisory board". Do you people see how deep the rabbit hole goes....?
RabbiTapirStein 3 years ago
Chomsky is a jew that is towing the jew line regarding 9/11. He know's that the mossad was involved, but he's a jew and he'll play the role of the idiot, and deny the facts.
I REALLY do get sick and tired of these videos because EVERYONE is afraid to name the real perpetrators, i.e. Israel AKA the jews.
RabbiTapirStein 3 years ago
This is rediculous....
kylevarley 3 years ago 2
americans are so narcissistic that they make a great fuss about what happened inside US but no one cares about, for example, the number of iraqi's death. chomsky is saying that should be reversed, which is a very conservative point of view as far as the world's consent is concerned.
mesaelechtele 3 years ago
chomsky is an american. and chomsky's objectives always have been focusing on US's own crime against others. if 911 was a inside job, it's a case of US shooting its own foot. what chomsky is saying is US has committed crimes of much greater scale to the others and that's his focus.
mesaelechtele 3 years ago
I have followed Chomsky for many years and I too was shocked by his 'who cares?' statement. I will be interested to hear any further comments he makes about 9/11 but I fear they may be tarred by the same nonchalance he has already shown.
NathanZackery 3 years ago
now you see thats a very devious line of reasoning, because what it does is absolves the USA of any and all responsibility, regardless of the facts or history, and so you can just blame it all on insidious outside influences corrupting the noble and virtuous spirit of the good ole US of A who only ever has the best of intentions in mind for the world and never considers material or strategic gain in its dealings - if this rot can be removed, it will return to the path of the righteous.
KentAllard 3 years ago
read those list of governments I mentioned again
KentAllard 3 years ago
Call US Dept of Justice & ask how many 1,000s of annual cases they prosecute for "conspiracy" (drugs or "terrorism"), which does NOT require any actual crime to win a conviction, and is the easiest of all cases to prosecute. Jew Chomsky is a willing collaborator in the non-Semitic "Jewish" Mossad (MI6) NeoCon treason on 9/11. He knows that Operation Northwoods was signed by Jewish General Lyman Lemnitzer, which also confessed to the JFK assassination in CIA's Operation Mongoose.
operationnorthwoodz 3 years ago
For a guy who is supposedly really smart and knowledgeable, Chomsky's ignorance is mind boggling.
How can anybody respect Chomsky after he says "Who Cares?" if 9/11 was an inside job?
How can anybody listen to Chomsky after he says 911 being an inside "doesn't have any significance"?
Hello? Earth to Noam...
uxneey 3 years ago
@KentAllard
omf.g.
911reset 3 years ago
They're terrible governments given aid & arms. How is Israel different? Often they are assigned to 'policing' their region: South Africa in Southern Africa afte the Portugese empire colapsed; Pakistan in South Asia; in the 70s the role of Turkey, Israel & Iran was explained when Nixon described them as the 'local cop on the beat', the US was very pleased with Israels destruction of Arab Nationalism in the 60s, it will continue to provide this role so long as the US has interests in the region
KentAllard 3 years ago
USAs relationship with Israel is no different than its relationship with South American & Middle Eastern dictatorships too numerous to mention, arpartheid South Africa, Iran under the Shah, Pakistan, South Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesia, etc
KentAllard 3 years ago
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historywillabsolve 3 years ago
Chomsky was called a conspiracy theorist in the past. I think that really hurt his ego, so he blinds his judgement from anything perceived as such. I understand his reluctance in the short year or two after 9-11, but now there is so much evidence that it is undeniable that we've at least been lied to.
civilianfox 3 years ago
Chomsky simply requires evidence, as do so many people on the left. These 9/11 conspiracy theories aren't based on evidence, they are the result of people wanting to believe something, i.e. "evil America killed its own on 9/11" and then inventing their so-called evidence.
ConsDemo 3 years ago
i partially agree with you.
the big evidence that's lacking is
the evidence of the connection between
the attack and the US government.
there are circumstantial ones but nothing concrete, can be Russians just as well.
i'm kinda convinced that the buildings came down by a little bit more than just jet fuel.
but that doesn't lead to any criminals,
just as someone killed by a gun doesn't mean a black guy did it.
Chomsky, as he stated sincerely in many interviews, is a very conservative thinker.
mesaelechtele 3 years ago
No concrete connection?? How about the fact that in the 5 years before 911 there were over 200 instances of jets flying off course within the continental US. Of those 200, do you know how many were intercepted by NORAD? 100%. ALL OF THEM. On 911? Zero.
How about the assertion that a Boeing jet flew into a 16 foot space and practically totally disappeared. Meanwhile the Pentagon will not release the tapes?
jagiar 3 years ago
How about, despite the fact that the jet dissapeared a govt agency said it was able to identify almost all of the passengers by dental records. So titanian will disintegrate but damn those molars are strong. Please...
How about Operstion Noble Gaurdian? Military operations that quite literally mimicked 911 being exercised on the same day?! And then for the govt to have the gall to say that 'who would have expected that terrorists would fly planes into buildings'
Do you need more?
jagiar 3 years ago
And could you also please explain how the connections I provided to you above could have just as easily been 'Russian' connections?
jagiar 3 years ago
those are called circumstantial evidences. sure you can speculate a lot from those. again, i don't believe the US government's reports on 911, but your speculations won't tell the truth either.
mesaelechtele 3 years ago
Circumstantial...sure. Did you know that civil cases are determined by the perponderance of circumstantial evidence?
Are you seriously that niave to require furhter evidence? It's no wonder the US is in the state it's in.
jagiar 3 years ago
okay, then this is like a civil case not a criminal one, according to you. or maybe with what you got, you can execute a black dude in USA.
i'm not saying that i need more evidences. i'm just saying you need to examine the evidences much more carefully. again, i don't believe in the government official report on 911 and i'm sympathetic to steven jones' papers. but i believe that so far we don't have enough information to any conclusion.
mesaelechtele 3 years ago
and if US citizens were much more careful examining evidences and situations and careful not to rush to conclusions, trust me, US would be a much better place.
mesaelechtele 3 years ago
"i'm not saying that i need more evidences"...but..." i believe that so far we don't have enough information to any conclusion". These two sentences are contradictory. Either you have enough evidence or you don't.
You obviously haven't been presented with enough evidence to believe it the US govt did it. So be it. I completely disagree with you. In my opinio, the only thing left to see is Cheney himself pressing the button on the detonators.
jagiar 3 years ago
It sounds more like you may not WANT to believe it (my opinion). Which is something differnt entirely.
Hopefully the US will never get to the point that you will weep at your naivete (with all due respect).
jagiar 3 years ago
correction: "i'm not saying that i need more [circumstantial] evidences"
hey, i would love to see direct evidences of orders from white house related to 911. i disagree with "the only thing left to see is Cheney himself..." because there are a lot more to see, for i'm all for more 911 investigations (of course not by the government). there is nothing that i want to believe in. all i want to see are evidences and facts.
mesaelechtele 3 years ago
You want orders from the white house? They're there as well. Look up Secretary of Transport Norman Mannetta's remarks in front of the 911 Commission. He unmistankingly says that Chenney ordered a stand-down on the plane approaching the Pentagon.
But I'm pretty sure that you won't believe that either.
jagiar 3 years ago
hmm..., i never understood this, maybe you can explain it to me with some contexts. i think you are talking about this.
watch?v=QlM8Sui6-X0
they are talking about the order to shoot down a commercial airplane and Mineta is saying that the order that young man was refering to was the order to shoot down, right? where does stand-down come in?
mesaelechtele 3 years ago
Well doesn't it seem rather obvious? "It's 30 miles out,...it's 10 miles out...do the orders still stand?" What do you think those orders were - continue trying to shoot it down? Or maybe, continue eating your bologny sandwich? If there were shoot down orders it wouldn't have taken a plane to travel 20 miles to press the button.
jagiar 3 years ago
wait, that's your argument, "seems rather obvious"? no, like, documents or witnesses? isn't it rather a wild speculation to assume the order was NOT to shoot down when the commission is questioning about the order of shooting down a commercial airplane and never mentioning anything related to stand down? how come? what if chomsky's entire political work is based on "seems rather obvious to me, though i wouldn't want to present any concrete evidence"?
mesaelechtele 3 years ago
chomsky's political work has been based on rock-solid materials, no speculations no assumptions, not even he-say-she-say.
mesaelechtele 3 years ago
one more thing, believing in something before you are presented with enough evidence IS naivete, not the other way around, with all due respect.
mesaelechtele 3 years ago
Fair enough.
The thing is I have all the evidence I need and then some. It's you who is naive in not being able to put together ALL the pieces. If we had to put all the criminals up to the same standard you do the US gov't, the US jails would be empty.
Funny how neither you nor KentAllard has answered any of my questions about 911. Like how did WTS fall whe 3 and 4 (which were much closer) not fall. Why did Norad stand down? Why were there similar military exercises on that day?
jagiar 3 years ago
"US jails would be empty" well, let me just say that less minorities will be convicted and i would hope that the same standard would apply if, god forbid, i had to go to the court, don't you?
once again, i'm sympathetic to steven jones, and i'm convinced that WTCs came down with more than just jet fuel, not to mention #7.
but that doesn't necessarily lead to a simple conclusion that the government did it.
mesaelechtele 3 years ago
Yes, of course I would. In fact I would expect far more! 1) I would expect the state prosecutor to do their job to charge me 2) I would expect to have to go to trial. 3) I would expect to have to defend myself against the evidence 4) I would expect that my accusors would give evidence sperately and on record (not like Bush and Chenney).
Wouldn't you...?
People have been charged with murder on far less.
I obviously can't make you see it, so there's no point in continuing.
Good luck.
jagiar 3 years ago
if you expect even higher standard, just as chomsky says, apply the same standard to others(not like bush and cheney).
your rhetoric of government-did-it sounds a lot like WMD argument of bush and cheney.
mesaelechtele 3 years ago
Well, I'll tell you what. If Bush and Cheney are willing to say "Hey, you know what? We were wrong. There were no WMD. So tomorrow we're pulling all of our troops out of Iraq. We're sorry." then I'd be MORE than willing to go on EVERY youtube vid where I've posted "911 was an inside job" (and there are ALOT of them) and say I was wrong as well.
Somehow I doubt that will happen. So much for the nobleand righteous USofA.
jagiar 3 years ago
Those responsib;e are afraid of revolution. That is why there has been an escalation in the imposition of martial law, unusual weather events and urban warfare exercises.
pondman27 3 years ago 4
"...That is why there has been an escalation in the imposition of martial law..."
Really? If we have martial law, how does a dangerous subversive such as yourself remain free?
I suggest you lay off the drugs, pondman.
ConsDemo 3 years ago
No drugs here thank you, no use of pharmacueticals. Just a reliance on good wholesome food combined with a preparedness to question everything, especially when it comes from corrupt leaders who think themselves beyond the reach of sanity and the law.
pondman27 3 years ago
I just read this "scientific paper". I don't think it refutes Chomsky. Firstly, this isn't a reputable scientific journal (it is too small/new etc...). More importantly the paper DOES NOT conclude that the towers came down as part of a controlled event. The presentation of this as evidence contradicting Chomsky is misleading.
richardbazinet 3 years ago
what's upsetting to me about chomsky's argument regarding wtc 7 is the fact that no organization, not the nist, not fema, NOT ANY UNIVERSITY, has published an article explaining the collapse of wtc 7 in any scientific journal. ZERO.
chomsky really is an enigma in the post 9/11 world.
pursuitofinjustice 3 years ago 3
9/11 truthers never explain why WTC7 would be taken down
KentAllard 3 years ago
WHAT?! Are y€ou serious? Not only have you not apparently not reviewed the facts of 911 you haven't listened to the movement either. They give reasons all the time. Such as, it was the location of Giuliani's emergency control bunker, where the majority of the evidence on the ENRON scandal as well as hundreds of other Wall ST insider trading investigations were stored, etc.
Please review the facts.
jagiar 3 years ago
they killed 3,000 people and blew up the world trade centre and part of the pentagon to cover up enron (did a good job with that btw) and insider trading investigations? Who comes up with this stuff, the writers of Spy vs. Spy?
I suppose they orchestrated Jones Town just so to kill Leo Ryan
KentAllard 3 years ago 2
Do the research, then comment.
jagiar 3 years ago
nonono, thats not how this works - the burdon of proof is on you
KentAllard 3 years ago
Right. Does the same go for the government when it comes to the detainees in Guantanamo? Or Osama Bin Laden for that matter. Where's the evidence there? Where are court cases for heavens sake. Let us have the court cases and see the evidence against them. Then maybe some of the REAL evidence will come out when these persons form a defence. But of course court cases will never happen exactly for that reason, because then the government may be forced to face the facts proposed in a defence.
jagiar 3 years ago
because someone else ignores proceedure and decides "fuck it, you're guilty, case closed." doesn't somehow justify you doing the same exact thing and making wild claims, they blew WTC7, and not explain why or provide a reason
KentAllard 3 years ago
In that case I'll make you a deal. You press your congress to hold two hearings: one for the govt perpetrating 911 AND one for the Guantanamo detainees perpetrating it.
I'll take my chances on the role of the dice to see who comes out as more guilty. Will you?
jagiar 3 years ago
By the way, answer me this if you wouldn't mind. Can you tell me why WTC buildings three and four (which were right beside WTC 1 and 2 and underneath them when they fell) did not fall? In case you doubt it please send me your email and I'll send you copies of the pictures. If you don't wish to send me your email I will try to find the links. and post them.
jagiar 3 years ago
I dont know why, and I dont care.
KentAllard 3 years ago
Well, that's the problem, isn't it. Apathy is exactly what allows govts to do such things over and over again with impunity. I wonder if you would care if it was your father/mother/child in the WTC that day or if it was you being slaughtered in Iraq.
And with that response KentAllard I can no longer respond to your posts. If you don't care I no longer care to attempt to make you see the truth.
jagiar 3 years ago
wow, what a crazy admission... apathy at it's finest, or worst i guess.
p.s. the burden of proof is set upon the government to provide coherence to their official story of what happened on 9-11. they failed to do so. the commission was a sham. if the official story isn't true, what is?
even if its intentional negligence, that is inself outright treason.
these war criminals should be taken to the stake, and i don't even believe in the death penalty... but we can make a couple exceptions
pursuitofinjustice 3 years ago
if chomsky is a "gatekeeper" who supposedly defines the limits of criticism of the US government then why would he repeatedly say that the US government has committed numerous and far worse crimes than 911?
walawee 3 years ago
You're argument is double-sided. If he does assert that the US govt has committed numerous and far worse crimes then why is he so quick to dismiss the possibility that they committed 911? Given his knowledge it's only logical to assume that he would lean towards that conclusion, not away from it.
jagiar 3 years ago 3
so if says the US government killed a couple million people, involved itself in drug smuggling, assassination of political dissidents, but cant see any evidence for 911 - then obviously the man is a paid shill!
KentAllard 3 years ago
I don't believe that conclusion to be logical. If it is true that he is not a "gatekeeper" or being payed off, then the logical conclusion seems to be that he has looked at the facts and reached a conclusion.
By the way my argument is only double sided if you assume that 911 was an inside job
He's not as quick to dismiss this theory as this video leads you to believe. There are youtube videos as well as books (imperial ambitions, what we say goes) in which he thoroughly explains his position.
walawee 3 years ago
How is it a logical conclusion that IF he is a gatekeeper THEN he must have reviewed the facts?? That's non-sensicle and filled with presumptions. It's quite the opposite. IF he was a gatekeeper THEN he would NOT have reviewed the facts because he would be wanting to 'keep the gate'. And the facts blow the gate wide open. You need to study IF/THEN logistics as used in mathematical theory.
jagiar 3 years ago
Also you do not need to assume 911 was an inside job for your arguement to be double sided. What is necessary is the POSSIBILITY that it could have been.
And given that he is far more aware than most of instances where the US govt HAS perpetrated such acts, it is quite peculiar that he considers this one "extremely unlikely".
jagiar 3 years ago
i see your point.
what i meant was that for your point to make sense (the "double sided one"), one has to assume that the evidence indicates an inside job.
Which you obviously assume in all your arguments anyway because you think that it was.
So this is kind of a dead end argument then.
walawee 3 years ago
no its not perculiar, it puts him in a position to make a better informed decision than most
KentAllard 3 years ago
That's not what i said. i wrote "if it is true that he is NOT a gatekeeper".
I think there have been several misunderstandings. I thought after your first reply that you thought he was NOT a gatekeeper because it was the assumption (the "if") in your first "if/then" statement.
Anyway i'd like to return to the general point of my initial post. which is that i cant see any evidence that chomsky is a gatekeeper.
sorry i should have been more concise/direct
walawee 3 years ago
But never against he their own people. I suspect the reason he is not willing to admit to the fact that it's a stong possibility is due to the fact that some teenage kids figured it out before he did. And given his reputation for being at the forefront of expsoing such tyranny, his pride will not let him admit that he was 'beat to the punch', by several years, by a couple of kids. That AND the fact he was duped by the very media tactics he himslef exposed several decades earlier.
jagiar 3 years ago
this is speculation and so we can't really argue this.
What am i meant to say? I can't say "chomsky is too righteous and principled to be jealous of teenagers" because i have never met him and he has never spoken on this topic. However, you also have no real evidence to the contary. As for your first point there are tons of examples. Global warming, nuclear proliferation, class warfare, inadequate social services.
There's loads of government crimes that affect the US people.
walawee 3 years ago
But there has NEVER been a case where there is direct evidence of the US gov't killing it's own people. Now there is. It's a fact, as much as you may wish not to believe it.
Welcome to the new realm.
jagiar 3 years ago
NEVER? Fred Hampton is on line 1, he'd like to have a word with you; union members too numerous to name are waiting on lines 2-9.
KentAllard 3 years ago
Setting aside COINTELPRO and similar programs that did directly murder people, i fail to see the moral difference between 911 and american soldiers being sent to their deaths because of the greed of the US corporations and their government lapdogs of hundreds of thousands of people who die every year because of inadequate social services.
walawee 3 years ago
Well, there is a huge difference. First, you choose to go to Iraq. But, or course, you should have enough intelligence to determine who your enemies are.
"die every year because of inadequate social services" ? If you're sick, you see it coming. You can make choices. No one had a choice on the WTC floors and those who ended up underneath them.
jagiar 3 years ago
not one for healthcare I take it
KentAllard 3 years ago
I'm not for healthcare when what's proposed is the type that forces everyone to have private health care. That's only a win for insurance companies. Then you go and make a claim you're lucky if they pay you. First you're forced to get auto insurance in order to drive, now they'll force you to have private insurance. Next, you'll be forced to have home insurance.
By the way, do you know who some of the biggest contributors to political campaigns are?
jagiar 3 years ago
Many people in the military did not "choose" to go. That choice was made by the US government. And since we all know now and knew then that there were obviously no WMD's and even if there were it wouldn't be justification for a war, and that the invasion was all about money, we know that it was a CHOICE the government made, they weren't forced into it. the US government engaged in illegal actions it knew would kill its own people. This is equivalent to murder under US and international law.
walawee 3 years ago
A more important questions though is why you consider the lives of Americans as valued more highly than others.
Surely life is valued equally.
If this is true, you will agree that an attack on the US populace is no worse a crime than for example, what took place september 11, 1973, when the CIA overthrew the democratically elected government of Chile, killed several thousand people, and initiated the reign of Pinochet, a brutal dictator who tortured and murdered many more.
walawee 3 years ago
If anything, killing american citizens is less of a serious offense. One - If of a particularly callous disposition - could argue that, as the americans installed the bush regime, they would be partially responsible for the crimes they committed, including ones against themselves.
walawee 3 years ago
yeah because everything else he says and does is based on his own original research & work
KentAllard 3 years ago
What's really disappointing to me about this is how a man who, for decades, attempted to expose the dispotic workings of central governments (specifically the US's) and tried to uphold truth and justice for the 'common man' would, in the last few years of his life, expose himself as a fraud with his very own words.
He completely destroys his own reputation with two words. He's a tragic let-down.
jagiar 3 years ago 2
Asserting the opposite. Kind of like Rumsfeld's quote; There are a lot of people who lie and get away with it.
What a mess this is...
WTFaboutWTC7 3 years ago
Leftgatekeepers(dot)com
click on the chart to see who funds Chomsky.
ceresone 3 years ago
good. now let me see some evidences to support the chart. and no, not like the ones from "names that would like to remain quiet".
mesaelechtele 3 years ago 2
MIT?
KentAllard 3 years ago