Professor Fred Singer on Climate Change pt 2

[pearsonmn2000]

We live in a world of sheeple (followers). Just remember what the herd says IS true most likely isn't and what they say ISN'T true probably is. It's sad, but true. Cornour commented below, "This video has only 5600 views for a good reason: IT IS NONENESE." Well, to illustrate a point on that, 911 flight 77 YouTube conspiracy theories have received 3.5 million views while youtube videos of 100's of witnesses (first hand accounts) who saw the plane fly into the Pentagon have gotten only 300. Reme

[ReduceGHGs]

Fred Stinker is a poor excuse for a scientist. He has no studies to back up his claims. He was one of the tobacco companies' "experts" as they defended themselves against health risk warnings. Maybe he should have been prosecuted for his lies. Now that those coffers have dried up he and some of the other corporate hacks have moved on to "greener" pastures. Here's a good link that tells part of the story.

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Google: The Denial Machine Video

[ReduceGHGs]

fred stinker is a corporate hack that hasn't done scientific research for decades! He was one of the tobacco industry hacks supporting big tobacco's lies. And here we go again! This guy's a fool. Watch more of the story in the following short film.

Google: The Denial Machine Video

[OvoidCranium]

@ReduceGHGs "fred stinker is a corporate hack "

More ad hominem from people who can't argue the science.

[ReduceGHGs]

@OvoidCranium Know the difference between an ad hominem attack and researching source credibility? Apparently not.

Fred Stinker has been peddeling baseless propaganda for years. It's a fact. You may call it an attack but it's the truth which anyone doing honest reasearch would take into consideration.

And much the same with the Oregon Petion or The Petition Project. It too spreads disinformation for the corporate interests.

P.S. Taxing pollution is reasonable. Pay the costs NOW!

[OvoidCranium]

@ReduceGHGs " researching source credibility"

another mantra that has no place in science this pretence of researching resource credibility is simply a cover for the fact that you can't argue the science, hence the reduction to ad hominem.

[ReduceGHGs]

The current list of the SEPP (Singer founded) board of directors includes a dead man, the 79 year old founder of a filtration company, and a 90-year old who was replaced by someone else in 2000. The SEPP Board of Science Advisors doesn’t instill any greater confidence in this organization. Of the eight SEPP Advisors listed, five are deceased.

His (Singer) main work has been as a hired gun for business interests to undermine scientific research on environmental and health matters.

WANT LINKS?

[OvoidCranium]

@ReduceGHGs "The current list of the SEPP (Singer founded) board of directors includes a dead man, the 79 year old founder of a filtration company"

Whether it is true or false it is irrelevant and a waste of bandwidth.

[klnine]

Its funny if i told a lie like big Al and made money out of it (like Firepower in Australia) I would be prosecuted and imprisoned !

Weird eh ! Where is the cross for this wanna be climate punk ! Can he really sleep at night?!

[ReduceGHGs]

@klnine Weird eh! Gore is NOT the source of the science. Did you really think he was or were you just parroting the disinformation campaign?

Gore has been telling us what the scientists have been saying for over 30 years. FINALLY, most of the public is getting the message. Sure there will always be those that resist. It's expected. But it takes all kinds and we certainly have all kinds.

[digitalfilmvillage]

Support Sen. Inhofe and help kill cap and trade bill, the real scam behind global warming hoax.

[blokeatone]

Maurice Strong the the Criminal idustrialist"environmentalist" liar with his Rothschild pal is the man responsible forthis

whole GW fraud.........The chinese think they're on a winner

with a CARBON TAX 12 months from now when everyone is trying to unload US Dollars The IPCC criminals will be un contactable.................

[FreeAgain2]

IPCC: when is the last time they actually had a model that was correct?

Notice how NOBODY shows that little fact -that the IPCC has been wrong - every time - for the past 10 years.

NO models they have published have been right - not one.

[ReduceGHGs]

Learn more about singer's history. What a bozo he is. The "scientist" for hire.

Google... The Denial Machine Video

[OvoidCranium]

@ReduceGHGs "Learn more about singer's history"

All you need to know just remove the space

bit.ly /cFQ1Du 

[ReduceGHGs]

@OvoidCranium If you can't provide a better link, don't bother. Here's where you learn about Fred Stinker.

Google: The Denial Machine Video

[ezeeskank]

@ReduceGHGs You are a climate extremist, a gatekeeper,a shill for disingenious interests this is very clear.Where is your evidence that Fred Singer is in the pocket of corporations?

[ReduceGHGs]

@ezeeskank

I suppose you need to be spoon fed.  Catering to kids isn't my thing. My last post gave a link to a great short film that has a good deal about fred stinker. If you choose not to see the evidence, that of course, is your option.

[OvoidCranium]

@ReduceGHGs "I suppose you need to be spoon fed. Catering to kids isn't my thing."

More ad hominem you are well practiced at it.

[OvoidCranium]

@ReduceGHGs You want us to read pure irrelevant ad hominem but I really can't be bothered. If you can't argue the science just get out of here.

Fred's CV here (remove the space) bit.ly /cFQ1Du

neither you nor potholer nor any of your warmanista heroes can match that, and you can't attack the science so you resort to ad hominem attacks.

[anonymous915]

While I don't believe in global warming, I do have some problems with stalagmite rings (as well as ice core rings) being counted as "years".

[TRUMPHENT]

In the first 30 seconds, Singer lies with omission. The models overestimate the observed GHG effect by not taking account of particulates such as sulfates. V. Ramanathan studied particulates which include soot particles

Greenpeace was protecting seal pups from the fur trade.

Singer lies by omission of the note by the IPCC that it did not account for melting ice caps because it hasn't been modeled properly. Everything Singer says in this video is debunked junk science.

[MandolinoFan]

"Grenpeace was protecting seal pups ..."

LOL, you should inquire as to why Bjorn Lomborb quit Greenpeace, or why Bjorn Oekern quit the presidency of Greenpeace Norway.

WWT and Greenpiss do kill seals themselves so they can make fundraising films. there are reports written on this, Magnus Gudmundsson's for one (Greenp.)

Or the Rainbow Warrior fined for throwing rubbish to the sea, when I was a teenager. GP funds go anywhere but to defending the environment.

[TRUMPHENT]

Singer injects GreenPeace into his presentation as an intentional distraction from the subject.

Again, Singer ignores notes by the IPCC that ice sheet melt is not included in AR4. Hansen predicts it.

Singer goes on about solar activity. The sun has been constant in output for over 30 years. That includes 1998, 2003, 2005 and 2007, the year the Arctic Sea Ice Minimum record was set.

GreenPeace are activists. Singer is a paid shill. Shame that you can't tell the difference.

[MandolinoFan]

Le me tell you who the paid shills are. The Rockefeller Foundation funds GreenPiss. WWF was founded by two racist eugenicits compulsive hunters, Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands (former owner of Shell) and Prince Philip of Edinburgh.

Maurice Strong is one of the masterminds of this AGW shite, and he's a lackey of the Rockefellers. WE ARE WAKING UP. The IPCC is simpy a political arm of the IMF, and Rothschild Australia is "incidentally" in charge of the carbon trade business

[TRUMPHENT]

So, you are saying the scientific evidence is irrelevant. You, like Singer want to deflect the attention away from the data and onto meaningless distractions. Singer would rather obfuscate about solar wind than radiative forcings of manmade greenhouse gases.

You could try sticking to the subject. That might be difficult for someone with a short attention span.

What ever Green Peace did to, for or with seals has nothing to do with the science of climate change.

[MandolinoFan]

?? LOL, most geologists KNOW that this thing is a hoax, CO2 rates way back when were FAR higher (9000 ppm). What multinational was the culprit back then? CO2 follows temperature by 800 years on avg. The first time this bollox AGW was stated was in a Club Of Rome report. Richard Lindzen's last paper debunks the carbonic fundamentalists completely. THERE IS NO SCIENCE OF "global warming". Solar scientists are banned in the IPCC.

[MandolinoFan]

Once again, Greenpiss did kill seals in order to film them for fundraising. The prsident of Greenpeace Norway resigned with indignation, his name is Bjorn Oekern, and he says that GP is a multinational, whose proceeds go anywhere but to protecting the environment.

Bjorn Lomborg also quit the organisation. Patrick Moore, ex founder of GP, says they're "talibans". Proyecto Yaguarete in Argentina was a scam they were caught on.

[TRUMPHENT]

And once again, the overwhelming stack of data pointing to manmade GHGs as cause of climate change is being deflected by totally unrelated issues.

I know you will ignore this data. NOAA announced that July 2009 is the record July for global ocean temperatures on record. Hard to believe, I know.

Ireland had its wettest July in 50 years with above normal temperatures. Interesting, a 50 year event with higher than normal temperatures.

[MandolinoFan]

Dued, the ozone layer phenomenon was already discovered by Dobson in 1958, and was shown to be cyclic and natural. Nothing to do, say, with CFCs. The UN is tihe mother of the psychopathic IMF, corrupt WHO ... Any scientist worth the name will say that CO2 DOES NOT cause warming. BTW, we've been cooling since 2002. Data: Univ. Alabama at Huntsville, these guys weren't caught fudging with the data, as Hansen was.

[RepublicanNatio]

@MandolinoFan Preach it brother, i was gonna hop in the convo to help back you up, but you certainly don't need my help! You shut that fanatical gremlin (TRUMPHENT) right up. I wonder what he has to say about CLIMATEGATE LOL.

[MandolinoFan]

LOOOOOL, RepublicanNatio,

let me share a good one: Roger Revelle was the scientist who thought CO2 might be a significant greenhouse gas, but then in 1991 he published a paper with FRED SINGER showing that he'd been completely wrong. Now, the UN used his premise (Maurice Strong, Evelyn de Rothschild , Club of Rome ...) to build the ecofascist movement, and they didn't catch up. Now this poor sod TRHIUMPHENT ("los-ent" would be more appropriate) brays about Singer, LOL

[RepublicanNatio]

@MandolinoFan

LOL

Fanatical Gremlins like TRUMPHENT are just upset that their new religion is getting debunked more and more with each day. They brush off climategate like it isn't anything of significance. I can't wait till the day these people are criminally charged.

[ReduceGHGs]

@MandolinoFan Who in informed mind would think that bjorn lomborg and/or fred singer have anything credible to say about climate change.

bjorn lomborg published little or no peer-reviewed research on environmental or climate policy. So who cares what he thinks?

As for fred singer, he hasn't completed ANY respected climate research. If it pays, he plays!

Google... The Denial Machine Video

[MandolinoFan]

@ReduceGHGs LOL even Phil Jones, head of the CRU had to recognise we have been cooling for the lasta 15 years - on BBC! And they confirm the emails were true. Not to mention that ALL IPCC DATA have been fudged. Prof Frederick Seitz, Kerry Emanuel, Paul Reiter, DAVID EVANS ... all of them and more have left the IPCC for being a most corrupt institution.

THERE IS NO SCIENCE, ONLY COMPUTER MASTURBATIONS BEHIND AGW

[ReduceGHGs]

@MandolinoFan

LOL As for the emails, only someone in denial would believe that a few emails unravels over 30 years of global research. Get real.  Read what the experts say.

Google... AGU Statement Regarding the Recent Release of E-mails Hacked

Consider why you can't find ONE respected study or scientific institution that agrees with the nay sayers. Think hard. In your denial, I'm sure you'll find reasons no matter how irrational.

[MandolinoFan]

@ReduceGHGs LOL, what *the experts* say is, climate is controlled basically by the sun. Period. And as for CO2, Chantali & Khuyuk proved that it constitutes 0.00022% of the greenhouse effect. IPCC just shows FAULTY&MANIPULATED computer models that follow the 'crap in, crap out' principle. The IPCC has been caught borrowing heavily from WWF and other shit for their 'scientific' reports, e.g. Himalayan Glaciers.

Dude, the best Russian scientists warn us of a little ice age. Get real.

[MandolinoFan]

Oh, BTW, the emails show clearly that a gang-bang has been going on to bugger the scientists who didn't agree. Phil Jones had to recognise that we've been cooling, and that "the data that prove warming, we lost them", but even on BBC Newsnight they showed that the CRU computer programs ara BOLLOX.

[RonaldKovacs]

Al Gore chairs a hedge fund that trades in the carbon credits. Need I say any more?

[TankUni]

He gives the money away though doesn't he?

[anonymous915]

Great point:)

[MandolinoFan]

RonaldKovacs,

my point exactly (and don't forget the Rothschilds, and Rothschild Australia!!).  Not to mention Jaques Cousteau's (UN Courier, 1990) statements that 350,000 people "need to die everyday" to "save the Earth". Eugenicists, bloody psychopathic bankers, that's the kind of scum that brandishes their media against real scientists. And the environidiots can't tell the difference.

[BERSERKHAWKWIND]

I almost agree with this.

I would like someone let me to know what he speaks because I am not a native English speaker and I cannot take the words perfectly .

After 4:22 in this video, does Mr. Singer say "polar beers like to eat little calorie c-o pop?

And what does it mean?

[andharvey8]

he said that polar bears like to eat cute little seal pups.

[BERSERKHAWKWIND]

Thank you for your comment.

[MandolinoFan]

Well, he makes a reference to SEAL PUPs. Ironically, before the GW bollox Greenpeace was advocating to "save the seals", now it's "save the polar bears", which EAT SEALS! :D

[coturnix19]

individual's life is irrelevant. It is the population and its genetic diversity that is important

[climateguru]

Source Watch is a communist front. I can't believe any sane person would quote them.

You want bucks, look at Gore. You want Bucks, look at the 25 Trillion dollars that the Global Warming Hoax will cost.

You want bucks, look at Saudi Arabia, the benefactor of Global Warming hysteria.

What a child.

[climateguru]

What is frightening is the videos that say no question, man made global warming have 100,000 + views.

The professors, and Ph.Ds get 2 or 3 thousand.

Never mind small minds wonder, and choose that which the actors, Sierra Club, Green Peace and politicians tell them.

Thank God I'm 70 and won't be around much longer to see the tripe.

Thank you Professor.

[pattycgy]

Fred Singer is no professor

[beasn]

CLearly a voice from a well informed individual. While the voices of support of this issue are constantly denigrating this type of evidence by adopting an attitude of haughtiness by calling into question the scientific competence, it is undeniable that, when fllying at altitude in any aircraft, the temperatures outside the craft, are from -45C to -60C so if there is any truth in CO2 increasing the temperatures, there then is your answer.

[ACers99]

Sourec Watch is a leftist site that is funded by leftist foundations, used to discredit the opponents of Global Socialism. Hardly an objective source of any kind.

[Slavesrevolt]

Another voice of sanity in an insane world.

[ReduceGHGs]

@Slavesrevolt

Do you really think fred singer has a "sane" opinion worth reliance? Come on. He was bought and paid for by big tobacco. Since that dried up he's backing the vested fossil fuel interests. You have to be pretty desperate in your denial to stoop so low as fred singer.

Google... The Denial Machine Video

[ReduceGHGs]

@Slavesrevolt

The voice of "insanity" in this vid is fred singer. His is the same voice that backed the tobacco companies. Since that water hole dried up he moved to the new one. But, just as before, singer's song isn't backed by studies. Just cash.

Here's a great short film that tells the story.

Google: The Denial Machine Video

[OvoidCranium]

@ReduceGHGs Still with the irrelevant and ad hominem I guess you know can't make any sort of case otherwise. Never mind it's irrelevant anyway.

[ReduceGHGs]

@OvoidCranium Still, another denier without credible support for his/her position? Then there's the crying about an "ad hominem" attack.  If you do ANY research you are a fool not to verify the credibility of your sources. That's basic. Fred Stinker smells of vested interest money not scientific research. That's a fact.

[OvoidCranium]

@ReduceGHGs " Then there's the crying about an "ad hominem" attack."

Who is "crying" just pointing out the futility of taking that course you should try to do better. Then again you probably can't or you wouldn't be doing it in the first place.

[ReduceGHGs]

@OvoidCranium  AGAIN, if you haven't a clue about how to do good research then you may indeed find my comments about Fred Stinker to be "ad hominem" attacks. But they are the truth. Don't like them? Can't handle or prefer to ignore the truth? Well, those aren't my problems. What YOUR problem may be is that you like what fred has to say and don't want to hear that his opinion is worthless. Sounds a lot like denial.

Google --> The Denial Machine Video

[OvoidCranium]

@ReduceGHGs Just cut the crap. I'll give you this you have provided the most creative excuse for using worthless argument yet but it still remains worthless.

[ReduceGHGs]

@OvoidCranium Yes, Stinker's argument is worthless AND it is crap. Glad we agree. You must have watched the short film I suggested. Good for you.

[OvoidCranium]

@ReduceGHGs "Glad we agree"

Now we all know why you must use those futile and meaningless arguments :- lousy comprehension.

[ReduceGHGs]

@OvoidCranium How did you like the part where they ask him about his ties to the energy industry? He sure looked like a stumbling fool caught in a trap. I wonder how much the tobacco industry paid for his "services" and, more recently, how much big oil and coal is paying; probably not much. He isn't taken seriously among those that actively study climate change.

[OvoidCranium]

@ReduceGHGs I think you are envious of his CV, his breadth of experience and knowledge and his ability all of which you are unable to match.

[ReduceGHGs]

@OvoidCranium One sure way not to have your poor excuse for an argument stepped on is to avoid the "Reply" and just post. But that's only ONE method deniers use. They have no respected scientific institutions to support their opinions. They have no respected studies. But they do have Fred Stinker, Bob Carter (another corporate hack without a study), some dead si fi writer, Senator Inhofe (paid for by big oil), glen beck, flush nimrod, hannity, palin, etc. Great support! You Bet Cha!

[OvoidCranium]

@ReduceGHGs "your poor excuse for an argument "

I'm not making an argument you seem to having as much trouble understanding this fact as you do with it's consequences i.e. makes them worthless.

Keep it up you are doing the world a favour showing how ignorant warming alarmists are.

[ReduceGHGs]

@OvoidCranium STILL you offer nothing.

I have what ALL our respected scientific institutions have been saying. Their opinions are based on over 30 years of global research and reviewed studies.

And what do you have? The debunked Fred Stinker.

It's clear you've never completed a formal argument or position paper; position, evidence, reasoning, and conclusions. You're at a disadvantage.

Send some what you think are credible links if you ever find any. Explore! Drill Baby Drill! LOL!

[OvoidCranium]

@ReduceGHGs "I have what ALL our respected scientific institutions have been saying"

and through whitewashing malpractice of climate alarmists they are losing respect you need to get out more and see what is happening in this world.

[OvoidCranium]

@ReduceGHGs "Explore! Drill Baby Drill! LOL!"

Yep go for it we need the energy to build and maintain windmills, build and maintain solar cells and last but not lest 1.2 litres high BTU gas to manufacture 1 litres low BTU ethanol.

LMFAO



[TheKickerboy99]

@ReduceGHGs You have what the IPCC has said for sure, but they keep having to change the story as it unravels. If you want a link that explains it completely, search, Henrick Svensmark. Also Richard Lindzen. There are many of the worlds top climate scientists, with published papers, for you to discover, if you'll just open your mind.

[ReduceGHGs]

@TheKickerboy99 Well if you dig deep and long enough you can find tidbits of information to support your denial. I haven't seen respected peer reviewed papers that find humans aren't warming the planet. In addition, there are no respected scientific institutions that say that, NONE. Again, if you aren't in denial this means something. Just review what SOCC, AAAS, AGU, NAS, and many others have concluded. There's no credible doubt in the scientific community that actively studies this.

[TheKickerboy99]

@ReduceGHGs Henrick Svenmark's paper is peer reviewed so is Richard Lindzen's, both shoot the whole agw theory to pieces.

[ReduceGHGs]

@TheKickerboy99 I noticed you didn't provide a link to lindzen's study or a review of it. Why cling to this guy that has been funded by the fossil fuel industry and corporate think tanks? There are many, many studies spanning decades of global science. You go to this guy because he says what you want to hear. Like fred singer on this vid. That guy is even MOR obvious. He use to do the same corporate hack work for big tobacco! Here's a good short film.

Google: The Denial Machine Video

[TheKickerboy99]

@ReduceGHGs Oh, and as we all can see now, all politicians are controlled by big oil, check out Obamas links to BP and Petro Bra. Hmmm wonder why its taking so long for him to help with the leak? Turned away help from 13 countries 20 different times, due to the jones act, the same one Bush porogued 3 days after Katrina. Those rigs will all go to Brazil because of the six month moratorium he just put in place. That sure is going to make George Soros alot of money. Hmmm thats weird.

[ReduceGHGs]

@TheKickerboy99 Why hasn't Obama stopped the leak? The US Government doesn't have the know-how or resources to operate at well-head depth. Hmmm. It's odd you don't know this. Hmmm. MUST be a conspiracy when you lack info? Perhaps you also lack info about climate science? Of course. Hmmm. Probably haven't read ONE book about how humans are affecting the biosphere. Know about the Anthropocene Epoch, Ocean Acidification consequences, or the Carbon Cycle itself? Hmmm.

Links to sources?

[TheKickerboy99]

@ReduceGHGs Thats funny he knows enough to fund a foreign company like Petro Bra to the tune of 2 billion dollars, the US doesn't have. Oh and that rig will drill to 2700m not 1500m. Did I mention Petro Bra is an investment of 900 mil. for his old buddy George Soros? America gets to decide how much futher into communism they will go this Nov.

[ReduceGHGs]

@TheKickerboy99 You say lindzen's work debunks global warming but what qualifies you to judge it? It's unlikely you have the training. Have you ever read a book about how humans affect the biosphere? Ever? If so, what was it?

I notice you didn't address the issues I brought up. I understand. Just clinging to conspiracy theories. SOCC, AAAS, AGU, NAS, and the other are all wrong, huh? Why do NONE say otherwise? Oh yea, it's a global conspiracy spanning the globe and decades. LMFAO!

[TheKickerboy99]

@ReduceGHGs I think that the 30,000 scientists in the US alone, that have signed the petition would say the consensus you speak of is a political scam, with the purpose of controlling the energy you require to live. Do you think thats a good thing? Lindzen's work and that of Henrick Svensmark are published papers that stand as solid science, I would hope you would take them seriously. What has been refuted in too many ways to mention here, is that CO2 is driving the current warming trend. (itss)

[ReduceGHGs]

@TheKickerboy99 Don't like to do research. The 30k scientists you refer to is the Petition Project. It's been debunked as corporate propaganda. Look it up if you want to do a bit of honest research; denial may keep you from it. The rest I've covered.

[TheKickerboy99]

@ReduceGHGs You are pathetic. How can you say 30k have been bought out by corporations? When the people that have been payed for, are the ones that have to keep changing the story, when the SCIENCE doesn't support what they claim?

[ReduceGHGs]

@TheKickerboy99 See, you're unwilling to do your own research.

Google: debunking / Oregon Petition

You can find this on YouTube too.

This is old news. Anyone with a glimmer of intellectual curiosity would read about their sources before blabbing away like they’re credible.

[TheKickerboy99]

@ReduceGHGs You know, you are just plain dishonest, or your an idiot. Nothing has been debunked but the alarmist vision of your god Al Gore, and the rest of the IPCC. If you had any intellectual honesty.....well you must not. You are a religious extremist how does if feel? Really I want to know. How could anyone with half a brain still be manipulated by the scam of CO2 taxation, it really bewilders me.

[ReduceGHGs]

@TheKickerboy99 That's all you have for a reasoned argument? Good luck with that kid. But there is good news! You can only improve.

I'll waste no more time here.

[TheKickerboy99]

@ReduceGHGs Good, go live in a cave and eat grass.

[OvoidCranium]

@ReduceGHGs " It's been debunked as corporate propaganda."

Standard ad hominem from people who can't argue the science.