polanski vs letterman ( to zennie62 the racebaiting sexist )

[melvinbelle4ever]

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[Gulfporter]

You're first mistake is in assuming that Zennie is of normal intelligence. He isn't. He makes sweeping false statements and then accuses people of racism or spamming when they counter with facts. He deletes posts which disagree with him. In short, he is the prototype for Democratic Underground. When the reality is in conflict with the philosophy, deny the reality.

[battim]

@Gulfporter good point. he is a moron and a race baiting asshole.

[itrubstheloshin]

BATTIM you saw it for yourself. proteinview basically admits to masturbating his coloured meat to you!!

the lord believes black men should be with black men and white men should be with white men.

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[battim]

oh stop it. he's my friend

[seeherdance1]

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[battim]

lol. what an idiot. don't you have a tea party to attend someplace?

[undergroundresistor]

If it were not for Polanski, the anti-satanic-cult would never started. Satanic Ritual Abuse would have gone unnoticed. Satanic Cults have tried to silence Polanski before - the Charles Manson Family even tried to assasinate him, but only succeeded in murdering his wife, Sharon Tate, and their unborn child. The International Satanist Movement has struck again, framing Polanski for the "statutory rape" of a 13-year old girl. This is a lie. ROMAN POLANSKI IS INNOCENT.

[battim]

Lol. Wow. Polanski admitted to it. He went to europe and started dating a 15 year old. He admitted in court he drugged and anally raped her. Manson was in jail

[undergroundresistor]

You always have to admit to what the cult says or you face the consequences. They make the rules. They run this goddamn planet. You think you can fight the New World Order with lying? They don't give a shit. If they say you are rapist then you are a rapist.

But you are lucky. Join us. We show you how to fight them. :)

Lonely daaaaays.

Follow the white rabbit. ;)

[battim]

wow. you really are nuts.

[undergroundresistor]

@battim: and who are you to judge people over the internet? A doctor which psychic abilities? LOL!

[battim]

it doesnt take a psychic to see that someone that is so paranoid to think satanic cults rule the world is a little unbalanced mentally.

[undergroundresistor]

Not satanic cults, but Freemasons.

[ROFLGeek]

You ARE the god damned batman! Even though our justice system should be blind a lot of the times it isn't. If you have lots of money you can practically get away with everything. And its not right. You commit a crime you do the time. Same with Letterman. Though its not rape but it is sexual favors or a type of prostitution. Which is sexual harassment. Keep up the videos man. I enjoy watching them very much. :D

[proteanview]

So, if someone rapes zennie's sister and hides out for a while, he should go free? At what time do crimes disintegrate, ten, twenty years?

If someone busts zennie's knee caps, but throws a million his way immediately after, all is cool & legal?

Well, alrighty.

[proteanview]

ps: i confirm that battim is a racist.

he e-oppresses me via youtube daily.

[battim]

I e oppress you because you are pretty..not black. Don't you have an e-spiritual to sing?

[itrubstheloshin]

@proteanview as a coloured homosexual do you harbour gay feelings for this guy? do you stroke your greezy black dick to this pure white blonde man? SIN!

[proteanview]

Well, itrubstheloshin, I'm gonna have to plead the 5th on that one & seek forgiveness.

[LawlessOne24]

He's not above the law (polanski) and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, if he isn't it's making a mockery of our Judicial system, and it's showing it truly is a biast system.

Also, there should be further charges for fleeing the country, Simple as that. It'd be the same way if it was me or anyone else here.

Regardless of how the girl feels now, what he did was wrong, and it shouldn't be tolerated. Good Video.

[Squishykinss]

Stockholm Syndrome. That's all I've got to say.

[battim]

Although usually its sympathy over long term imprisonment. Yes. Its the same basic idea.

[OhCurt]

Wow. Well, I haven't watched Zennie's video and don't know his stuff, so not much I can say about that.

But...

I've said it before and will say it again - reporters contacting her after all these years was pointless and abusive. She has a right to her privacy.

And if he was convicted, it's between him and our justice system. I see no reason why Polanski shouldn't finally pay his debt to society. Seems like a lot of people are throwing red herrings at this one even though it's moot.

[Syranus66]

and yet so flawed it is. Humans never seem to learn anything. Always repeating the same mistakes dispite your so called justice system. This system is so flawed and corrupted that any psycopath could trigger world war 3 by just uploading a video on the internet. Thats the truth of humanity really. Unless we improve upon our failed ideologies, make people smart enough to see the world and reality for what it is. Then perhaps your system wouldn't be needed.

[PrincessDiana161]

So finally getting justice for a crime is re victimizing the victim???

whether this woman has come to terms with what happened in her past has nothing to do with the FACT that this man was found guilty and never served his time.

If this guy had half a brain he'd look at your past videos and see that you are far from being a racist!

((HUG))

[battim]

di, i am still trying to figure out that logic. amazing how some men are to the far left until sex is brought up, then they become uberconservatives all of a sudden.

[thizizliz]

Another reason why sexual harassment is illegal is because if a woman wants to say no, she must worry about whether she'll be able to keep her job or if she does, whether she'll be negatively impacted by having said no.You made a good point that when she does say yes, it also negatively impacts the opportunities for her co-workers. I don't want to even talk about Polanski - he pled guilty and ran. What's to discuss?

[battim]

apparently to zennie would shouldnt discuss any of it. we should forget it ever happened...

[AlexGrim]

Listen man, I know the victim might have weird reasons for not pursuing charges, but I always side with the victim's decision. If she wants me to let him go I'll let him go, if she wants me to immolate him I'll tie him to a pole, paint him with a gas and softsoap mix and light him up. I'll start the fire on his crotch too. Whatever needs to be done to see that the victim feels justified.

Dave can fuck whoever he wants of legal age that is willing to fuck him. No advanvement though.

[battim]

If we let everyone go that wanted to let their predator go every drug related murder would go unprosecuted, every dometic violence case would go away. That. Makes no sense. You do the crime you do the time

[AlexGrim]

I really find it weird that the victims don't want to press charges. I think they don't want to get drug through the mud. Being a famous rape victim doesn't make you a hott item on the dating scene. Really, they have reasons. If she didn't have to use her name and go on official record maybe she would pursue this, but really, I don't even know who she is, if she goes to court, I will.

[AlexGrim]

PS: I want some justice right now. They just turned my oldschool channel I got in Dec 2005 to that new beta shit! I feel victimized, I am pressing charges. Get a rope!

[battim]

Regardless. We simply cannot succumb to the whims of the victim. The underlying theme of victimology is they remain victims until they are empowered. How is it empowering to a victim to let them go? If polanski were a priest the same folks excusong him would be asking for blood. The woman is married with kids. We know who she is. Its already offical record. He was convicted.

[AlexGrim]

If I dug I could find out who she is, I'm saying that I don't know who she is because she isn't big news. Imagine if you were forcefully sodomized, dude. Would you keep that shit quiet and seek justice yourself covertly or would you let it be public knowledge hoping they'll throw the book at him? If you go public then you got all the punks leaving comments on your vidz about you pressing charges cuz he didn't make you cum or some vile shit like that. Just something to consider Tim.

[battim]

i would not want to keep it quiet. i'd want them to spend a good portion of their lives getting anal raped in prison. i've been on youtube long enough to deal with any kind of comment.

[ASECONDCHANCEAROUND]

hey, I thought I did the most ridiculous f*ckin vlogs on youtube..lmao

Dam now I need a new title..lol

**Kisses**

[Sweetkittenpie]

Zennie is an idiot. He thinks the Twilight author is racist because there aren't enough black characters.

Seriously.

[battim]

I suppose dickens and hemingway must be racists then too, huh?

[boobtubious]

Polanski is a rapist. He sodomized that girl and should pay for what he has done.

[battim]

Amen.

[jedimagejoe]

on the polanski and letterman, one did raped a 13 year old yes yes but he's not long for the world anyway. you think he did not pay for that seriously come on here. the worry of not being caught and flayed alive accelerated his aging proccess. and letterman got the ol in out with a women both are red meat for the carrion eaters of the media its like the octomom drum up bullshit drama for the ratings and justice is dead even for the rich in the end

[battim]

Justice is supposed to be blind. Its supposed to be objective. That is the point of it. There is punishment under the law. It doesn't get recused because someone aged worse. Letterman made it a pubic issue. So therefore by virtue of the first amendment he will get grilled. He spent his entire career doing it to others. Turn about is fair play

[Syranus66]

haha you people and your biased sense of justice amuse me. There is no justice because people always have a bias towards any one who is accused of anything. Then again humans arrogantly create concepts and think its perfect. How wrong hehe. You people always have you baised views and then you fail to realise how misinterpretation can lead to such problematic situations. have a nice day :)

[battim]

He admitted to drugging and anally raping her. There is nothing to interpret

[Syranus66]

acutally there is. Why would say the victim is being over victimized if not for a biased interpretation

[battim]

I admit that I have a bias against forceably assraping minors.

[veritasaltius]

"There is no justice because people always have a bias towards any one who is accused of anything." That doesn't prove that there is not justice... Even if we always have a bias towards any one who is accused(which I contest) at least the accused who are guilty are served justice.

[Syranus66]

ah but justice is a point of view created by humans. Our logic is derived towards ensuring that when one causes suffering that it is delt swiftly and on the same level as the offense of the crime committed. I suppose by justice you mean make sure you do punish someone for not abiding by a lawcode created by humans then i suppose your correct. Hehe just because humans create things does not make them justified in being able to pass bline judgement

[Syranus66]

Blind*

[veritasaltius]

First, who passed blind judgement. Second, if humans don't serve justice, who to you propose takes on that task?

[Syranus66]

First anyone who beleives they have the right to judge anything and call themselves right.

Second Humans don't deserve to carry out nor judge anything of this level due to the bias factor.

Thirdly Justice being a manmade concept shouldn't be carried out ny anyone or anything. COnsidering humans have lost the right to make such judgements.

[battim]

We vote for folks who give us social contracts based on consensus. The rule of law is our social contract. If one breaks the covenant then one pays for said violation. If one is in a country they either abide by said social contract or they are isolated. It how it works.

[caveman73]

Battim, fucking people in the work place is not against the law, it is frowned upon. How do we know the girl that, or girls, that David was fucking around with were not trying to get perks if you will.

I know this may be a shocker to some but women, young girls especially, like to fuck men of power because they can help their station in life, so they think.

Then again maybe DL is a sexist pig.

Fucking around in the work place is not a crime, it just creates drama... And caveman hate drama!!!

[battim]

I didn't say it was criminal. But one can take, based on law, civil legal action for being discriminated against for not havong sex with a superior

[caveman73]

Sure but it still does not make it in a strict legal sense against the laws of the state or federal government.

Look, I am in the Navy and we have rules and regulations against fraternization. I can't fuck one of my female superiors or subordinates. Hell you can't even been close as far as to compromise the chain of command.

But in the civilian world it is not held to the same scrutiny. If you work in an office and wanna fuck another office worker.. Fine but it may cause unseen issues.

[battim]

well its not criminal, as i have stated discrimination is illegal.

[caveman73]

absolutely! Discrimination IS illegal, but I (and I know the courts will decide this) don't think what took place was discrimination. Both adults were consenting and neither of the women are pressing charges. Hell one wanted to marry him.

It just looks to me at this point as a lot of media hype and gossip from the regular joes and janes.

[jedimagejoe]

battim i live by chicago and gary and the police is basically another gang. i seen alot worse in real life , the tv makes it worse. second law without compassion even for the most monsterous of humans just is bad as no laws. to me there should be a certain amount decorum and privacy for all offenders i know im dreaming. when you start teasering people for the hell of itand calling the swat for an arrest of a teen theres something wrong with our justice system

[battim]

Chicago is rampant with corruption. Now they run the white house. That said, you can be compassionate ans still have people do time for their crime. He fled. He is a fugitvie. He paid no debt to society. Its time he did.

[Zenithstrife]

I think he didnt have any reasonable comeback , so he just pulled the race card. Pretty weak imo.

[battim]

The whole race issue here makes no sense. But he has a history of defaulting to race when he has no argument. Most won't call him out. I chose to

[muddieair]

we have 2 laws that have been broken if not more...first rape of a minor,and fleeing the country...palanski needs jail time for both..theres no question about it

[WhirlingWolves]

What the hell does Letterman having an affair with a willing woman staffer have to do with Polanski raping a little girl?

Talk about apples and oranges. Bizzare.

I notice if you follow zennie's logic of the real victimizers are the ones who won't leave the poor victim alone and are thus revictimizing the rape victim then would'nt he be one of those people by bringing up this absurd comparison.

It would seem to me he is the one not "leaving her alone." according to his own "logic."

[db501]

zennie62 is right. Noone cares about the girl and she stated that numerous times publicly. When talking about sex with RP she said she was upset (at most), what was traumatizing was everything that followed (medical, legal, news). Who is responsible for this if not the public? Public wants to inflate this case and the girl pays the price.

[battim]

please go read the court papers. you have no idea what you are talking about. the law is the law. relativism has no place in the law. polanski broke the law, he anally raped a 13 year old.

[batphilo]

He paid her off. Then she said that. Lol. In your world those with monwy go free. If zennie means what he ways why is he doing videos about it? He is doing what the victim does not want.  Lol. Hypocrites

[GrifterSixOne]

Polaski deserves what he gets.

[jedimagejoe]

after seeing law and order svu and after observing the media and the so called justice system work. your attitude of law is law and fuck what the victim wants. who the hell are you say thing should be for roman's victim. about letterman know what, both sitiations should be handled privately, are you so high and mighty you are free of any how you say sin sexual or otherwise. to throw rock at anyone. including polanski. besides closure can be bullshit just saying

[battim]

its not for anyone to make a case for the victim or polanski. when one violatesd the law they violate the state. its how law works. as for handling things privately, when public laws are broken its no longer a private matter.

[batphilo]

Jedi you can't watch a tv show and think u know how the ststem works. Cmon

[MadBadVoodo]

You are spot on with this video Tim! I am so fucking sick of the Race Card and in this case all I can think 2 say is that dude is a NutJob!

Five Stars!!

[ravenlaughs]

Once again picking apart a situation, you diabolical bastard you :D

Good vid my man

[nbwulf]

Excellent response... agreed on both points. I've watched Zennie's vids before... hard to process his logic.

Cheers... J.

[DantarBlade]

lol! That was downright hilarious! Zennie is really that big of a moron!? He needs to either grow a brain, grow up, or read something other than comic books with all of his spare time!

[yesjenisback]

gr8t response video here ! 5 stars!

[Furnifur]

Stephanie is the one kinda plump, brown hair, glasses? Yeah she got on air a ton!

Of course you are a racist because you don't agree with a dude named Zennie.

[Furnifur]

c'mon now Tim, of course Roman Polanski is not at fault. sheesh what is the matter with you dude?

This guy just wanted to have something to say or he wanted people to get pissed off but I don't think he is that smart so....

[battim]

so therefore he is a rapist.

[Furnifur]

yes but you didn't get clarification from me it will however be in my next book "Roman Polanski was a rapist and I know it"

[battim]

lol. look forward to it.

[socialmedianinja]

Tim, by now you should know that disagreeing with or in any other way even look the wrong way at a colored person in America is in their opinion classified as Racist, sad but that is how they work.

[kenrg]

Identifying with the abuser is typical, but right after the incident, not later as in this case. Yes, I think Polanski should have stayed and faced the sentence 30 years ago; even with the judge going back on the original plea agreement. I just question why the sudden need to extradite after 32 years? This is the biggest crime going on right now?

And, as far as I'm aware, there's no laws against workplace sex - It's a civil matter, not a criminal one. It's dumb to screw staff, but it is legal.

[batphilo]

Well if one can sue civilly that means that contractual law is broken. There are sexual harrassment protections written into law. It is illegal to break a civil contract, hence the reason one can sue. As for polanski. Should we let all war criminals who haven't been caught go? The sudden need was based on he went to a country that has extradition agrrements with us. He hid like a coward before. So just le thim go ken? Any word on why zennie called me a racist?

[battim]

actually ken, over time victims seem to identify with their predator moreso (willams and hotch 1999). As for no laws against sex in the workplace, when one person is giving privelage because of sex while others are not, that is called sexual harrassment. its codified.

[kenrg]

So far (at least) there have been no charges of harassment against Letterman, only accusations from somebody who tried to make $2M out of it in exchange for silence - hardly an advocate for women's rights. Until that changes, I stand by dumb Dave.

And, yes, I do see a difference between Polanski and a war criminal. And I ain't saying he shouldn't serve whatever sentence is appropriate, I'm just saying I'm astounded that he was still being watched 32 years later.

[battim]

so far, you are correct. my point has nothing to do with the extorter, its quite possible both sides are wrong. letterman is doing nothing of womens rights either. ken, zennie say directly we should leave polanski alone. he never claimed he wanted him to still do his time. thats where he and i separated. because of that, he decided to call me a racist.

[HeathMercer]

I absolutely don't understand the defense of Roman Polanski. He's an admitted rapist. He plead guilty to the crime and fled justice. What an asshole.

[battim]

I understand it. There are folks in the world that dont think the law applies to them. that their status forgives them. there folks that believe time forgives crimes. its odd.

[socialmedianinja]

cut his dick off

[mtamorphis]

YOUTUBE!!  Please fix the comment section! I wanna follow this dialog and I CAN'T! **shakes head**

[limonare]

Thank you for the video.

[hypothetisch]

Polanksi was never convicted of rape. He made some deal and plead guilty to having sex with a minor.

[yefknha]

Wrong.  Unlawful sex with a minor is statutory rape. What part of a minor cannot consent isn't rape to you? According the law law is a class one sexual assault. that is rape. Hypo you are simple

[hypothetisch]

"Unlawful sex with a minor is statutory rape."

No it is not! srsly get some fucking law education.

[battim]

You are the one who needs the education. Unlawful sex with a minor is a law because a minor cannot consent. By his admission he drugged and anally raped her. If there is no consent then by definition it is rape. In america statutory rape and uinlawful sex with a minor is the same thing

[hypothetisch]

"Unlawful [...] consent. " The reason the law exists is irrelevant to it's content

"By[...] her."

He wasn't convicted of that so also irrelevant.

The difference is under witch penalty system it falls unlawful sex with a minor has a maximum sentence of 1 year in county jail or 4 in state prison. It is NOT rape.

in some states it's statutory rape and falls under a rape category(first-degree, second-degree, etc) and has sentences accordingly.

[batphilo]

No its not irelevant.. lol. The intent of the law has everything to do with law. California law has sexual assault laws. Not rape law. It is a class one sexual assault.

[battim]

Under California law, it is illegal to have sexual intercourse with anyone under the age of eighteen (a "minor"). Unlawful sexual intercourse is also known as "Statutory Rape." There are two situations in which unlawful sexual intercourse can occur: 1. an adult can be guilty of unlawful sexual intercourse if he or she has sex with a minor. 2. a minor can be guilty of unlawful sexual intercourse if he or she has sex with another minor.

[yefknha]

I just watched that morons video. He simply says exactly as you have stated and then denies it

[1n354a]

but....but...but he made a movie called Piano...isn't that part of the law? ass-raping a 13-year old is excusable if you make an award making movie.

[hypothetisch]

In France the law really does work that way actually. (well not the law but the justice system)

Even in America to some extent. Almost every society gives artist more rights than normal people :)

[battim]

Its not supposed to work that way. That said a recent poll showed more than 70 percent of french citiznes though polanski should go do his time.

[hypothetisch]

Well I don't know. For example there was this Dutch artist that made death threats and made fake memorials for famous people, he got arrested and his defence was that he was an artist and it was part of his art, he was acquitted.

But some random dude that does this will be convicted in fact at the same time this trial played another guy was on trial for the same thing and he was convicted.

And actually I'm not so sure if unequal treatment was so bad in this case. So it depends on the case.

[battim]

Raping a teen is not art hypo. So can you give us an example of how raping a child can be considered art?

[hypothetisch]

I was more responding to the general idea of giving artist more freedom than to the Polanski case.

And no I can't think of an example for that.

[battim]

So what is your point? Polanski drugged and anally raped this young lady. He has never shown remorse. That is signs of a sociopath. He was convicted of nonconsentual sex with a minor. Nomconsentual sex by definiton is rape. Look up the word.

[hypothetisch]

I was side tracking in the discussion you said " tat's not how it's spposed to be" and I responded to that maybe I should have stayed with the topic

And no he wasn't convicted of Non-consensual sex

just illegal sex with a minor that's what I keep telling you

[batphilo]

The reasoning behind unlawful sex with a minor is that a minor cannot consent. That is the point of the law.

[battim]

Under California law, it is illegal to have sexual intercourse with anyone under the age of eighteen (a "minor"). Unlawful sexual intercourse is also known as "Statutory Rape." There are two situations in which unlawful sexual intercourse can occur: 1. an adult can be guilty of unlawful sexual intercourse if he or she has sex with a minor. 2. a minor can be guilty of unlawful sexual intercourse if he or she has sex with another minor.

[hypothetisch]

I don't get what this comment is supposed to prove?

[battim]

its from a law guide. from a lawyer in california. lawyers equate the two terminologies. enojy trying to somehow porve nothing. polanski raped the 13 year old. i have no idea what your point is.

[mtamorphis]

Message for Zennie,

Tim is not a racist, I know Tim and have met him in person! Believe me this man is by no means a racist! I used to be subbed to you Zennie, but sometimes your vlogs were just a little over the top. Thus, the reason I am no longer subbed. Oh and before you go there I am a VERY intelligent woman.

Signed

mtamorphis

(Black Woman)

[battim]

I am still trying to figure out how talking about polanski makes me a racist.

[mtamorphis]

It doesn't...I have commented on his vid! Check it out!

[pigsflyinny]

He just deleted ten comments on his video. It seems battim will be the only allowing a conversation to happen.

[battim]

he erased your comment along with anyone who disagreed with him

[RaindropsFantasia]

I can't believe there are people that will defend Polanski, i mean he was CONVICTED of raping a minor, how sick do you have to be to defend someone like that.

.... and you are in your 40's? shit man whats your secret? you look good, and i don't mean that in a Gay way haha you just look good for a guy in his 40's.

[hypothetisch]

"i mean he was CONVICTED of raping a minor,"

One of the big problems with the case is that he wasn't.

[battim]

Under california law it is rape to have sex with someone under 16. The law is called stautory rape. He was convicted of having sex with a nonconsentual minor. That semantically is defined as rape.

[hypothetisch]

No he was not.

He was initially charge with rape, drugging a minor etc. He then made a plea bargain and pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor.

This is not some semantics game it's actually a very different thing with very different maximum sentences attached to it.

Remember that we must be talking about the law in 1977, not now, statutory rape laws are actually quite recent.

[battim]

Actually its still a class one sexual assualt felony. The laws indicated there is no consent. By defintiotn that is rape

[hypothetisch]

No sex with a minor can be(depends on age difference) a first degree sexual assault felony in many states but not California.

[battim]

Penal Code Section 261.5 state of california calls it both statutory rape and unlawful sex with a minor. sorry. its synomous.

[proofisinthepudding]

Excellent video and I totally agree with your point of view!

[trento654]

"Don't stop," the brunette groaned without opening her eyes. "You make me

so fucking wet."

[FatherJudgement]

Point on, You are exactly right