The Red One Camera

[SingingAndComedyOfSC]

I am going to get myself a nice cardboard box and I am going to move into it when I turn 18 then I am going to save up and get one of these.

[MichaelHeida]

The highest quality selection on this video is 240p. The lowest quality Youtube allows. Irony, hahaha

[TheSouthparkrulz]

Man i want one of these

[panzarw]

are those big pro cams have auto focus?

just what i need to replace my webcam !

[Tosin314]

You dont need a 35mm lens adapter for this right?

[cr4ftyVideos]

Where can you get one

[birdy2foot]

District 9 was shot using these cameras. Badass.

[KevinsSecretChamber]

i agree with worlddominator15, the quality is terible...

[kingjowl]

i love how we still aspire to recreate something invented so many years ago, 35mm.

[dabanditisback]

That thing is insane. $50K dollars or so and it's yours!

[omgtkseth]

wow, I have no idea of what is going on here. Can someone explain me what is a 35mm depth? And what is so special about this Red camera?

[MrHambergator]

@omgtkseth The Red camera is the first digital camera that can match the quality of film. Once more it is less expensive to purchase the Red camera than it is to rent a high quality 35mm camera.

[Martinit0]

Now that cinema addressed the resolution issue I would like movie makers to _finally_ address the frame rate issue. I find it ridiculous to present the audience in the year 2010 movies with just 24 frames per second and I really hope that at least the masters have higher frame rate so we can enjoy current movies in a few years remastered in higher frame rate.

[TheNEWfilmfanatic99]

We shouldn't abondon celluoid becuase some fan boy from the AV Club made a new camera.

[iraqifreak]

what is this :D

[lengsky]

Yeah, but practically for me, I choose the canon 5d mkII, lesser price,and can reach or even beat red ones' performance.. why do i have buy RED if I'll use it only for commercials ?? practical thinking..

[SpigaloProductions]

Forget about the scarlet, 2K DSLR is already here. under $1000. Honestly Red doesn't look like film to me, Red is dead for the prosumer. I can see the Red being used for commercial shoots, it looks good for product shots, but do we really need 4k for anything other than car commercials. If they can drop the price and actually deliver, than maybe they won't be history.

[HalogenBurn]

The shit's pretty much over from prosumer on up. Maybe red won't be the only one in a few years, but the modular digital will replace film and tape based as the standard. In terms of big budget films probably the biggest development in 90 years since they invented motion pictures in the first place.

[mooreentstudios]

RED Digital Cinema is the future of this industry. The audience doesn't care what format we should on. Why should we? RED Camera greatly surpasses ALL previous digital filmmaking. It resembles film greatly, and even surpasses it in some areas. The colors are vibrant, the d.o.p. is breathtaking, and it's ability to work in Final Cut Studio is fantastic. The future is in Digital, people. You either jump on the band wagon, or get left behind. Times, they are a'changin.'

[SpigaloProductions]

@mooreentstudios

I would look into DSLR kits. Its cheaper, the workflow is better, and you don't need all the excessive components that Red makes you get. I've been hearing that Red is on its way out so I would not invest in their equipment.

[MultiSnapDragon]

@mooreentstudios

Actually, they were the laughing stock at NAB. DSLR is the future, I know people that are winning bids on commercial shoots with their DSLR kits because the RED is very clunky, hard to transfer, expensive and their customer service is terrible. Its been over two years since they released a product, are they even still making cameras?

[geoffdoor]

@mooreentstudios you couldn't have put it more succinctly and its better for the environment no chemicals to spill down the drain

[provid1234]

when scarlet comes out i can finally release the hv30. (not that it is bad but it has very noisy images and very unfluid motion compared to pro camcorders)

[GanEdenAustralia]

Will there be a prosumer version?

[provid1234]

the scarlet will supposedly come out in a couple of months (more like several with red). For a fixed lens it will cost about 3000 dollars. What is great is that it has 2/3 inch sensor, and shoots in 1080p, 2k, and 3k, with frame-rates ranging from 1 to 120 fps.

[mikeDJLP]

RED Cameras are on the price point of a prosumer market when compared to other cameras of the same quality.

[nublackmusic]

we need to see a comparison shot btwn this camera and a super 16mm film camera.

[mmvfilm]

we have the comparison shot between red and 35mm :)

[BulletProofCorpse]

One of the main things with The Red One, is that you can record one shot, and then if needed, you can zoom in on that shot, and use it as an Alt. shot, without the typical pixelation you'd get with normal cameras.

and you can crop out things that shouldn't have been in the shot.

Basically saves time and money, that'd normally be spent on re-shoots.

Red Dwarf: BTE was the first to use this camera in the UK.

[BulletProofCorpse]

Oh, another thing too, this camera can be linked directly to an Editing suite on-site, so after the scene or sequence is recorded, it can be fed directly to the computer/editor, and can be sorted for final edit in a few hours.

[sevan2007]

Well may I ask what do u mean about only one shot?

I understand that you cannot record a movie of 2 or 4 hours without stopping!

[dancetech]

wasnt all the boat footage in JAWS done on 16mm? good story, great classic film

[NextGenerationMovies]

holy crap! a $17,500 movie camera!

[JDQ2345]

wad do u mean.?

sorry I dont really know bout camera is $17500 cheap..?

[NextGenerationMovies]

i didn't mean cheap, i meant it is reeeaaallllly expensive, i dont have that kind of money to just buy one movie camera, but corpral and cinema companies can afford it...

[JDQ2345]

lol,

ok,

thanks for the info

[islandboystv]

That is who this camera is marketed to. Large corporate and small film companies.

If this is out of your reach. Look at the prosumer Sony PMW-EX1 camcorder, its sharper than the Panasonic HVX200 and fare greater in low light than anything else in its class.

[formaset]

You are forgetting something: NONE of these cams you mentioned give you the 35mm depth of field the Red can, plus their chips are really small.

[Serratedtongue89]

i held one of these bad boys

[TeamVanquish]

here's the flashcard, it should hold about 10 minutes. i can only imagine how big the files are 0_o

12 MP totally beats my 8MP HD camera :\

[thehourcup]

theres a 5 k one one now.

[Petyamester]

That's the Epic.

[thehourcup]

ahh

[WillBraden]

somehow that hurts even more...

[thehourcup]

how do my word's inflect pain ?

[JereHakala]

Such a beuty.

[thehourcup]

i want to bild one of thoughs from scarth as an kid i was and still intresed in time travil so this is too cool

i just going to need some schooling and some time and payshions. and the abillty to block out sarcasm. all film dirtor's do you know.

[metalwater]

Why not just shoot on digital and transfer all the raw footage to film...in order to get the full appearance of film (i.e. the film masking effect) on the digitally captured footage??? From there, you simply transfer the footage back to digital for editing and mastering? If the argument is that digital is not as good as film, what I have just suggested will more than certainly solve the issue!!!

[fredbeja]

the secret of film is how u capture it, not how u print.With your idea, we'd get a film reel with footage that looks like video:)

The good thing about RED is that u capture into a chip the same size as a 35 frame,so u get closer look,althou it'll never look the same.

With a 4k RED you'd get 4000 lines vertical.35 film translated to digital, is something like 9k, 18k with double scan.HD is still far from film!

RED is really good,nice lenses,u get a DoF almost as good as film,but not same thing;)

[thegoosebrain]

Say what you'd like to the sheeple here, but this camera still provides a picture that looks just like video no matter what you say. That is why you have so little video posts on youtube with footage taken with that camera and tons of videos like this that just hype the camera. The proof is in the quality, or lack of quality, in the footage they post, which is rare in itself. lol And they want 50K for this camera!!! You can get the same results for an HD camera for 3K.

[FatAssProductions]

nothing will ever be as good as 35mm film

[agtheking]

That's just stupid. In still cameras, digital has already passed film in picture quality and resolution. It's just a matter of time. Sure may be that you like the grain you get from film. But that can be emulated to. Red one is not as good as film(but good enough for the general audience) but it's just a matter of time before there is a camera that is.

[FatAssProductions]

good thinking hero

[pabloT585]

Yes, just like the new Red Scarlet S35, FF35, and Epics that will come out. And the 617 will far surpass film quality at 28k.

[agtheking]

But resolution isn't all. Red is not a miracle camera. There already are digital videocameras that is used professionally instead of 35mm film. The two things that makes red extreme and innovative is the high resolution and low price, not the overall image quality. Even thou it's great. Especially compared to the price.

[kevbomb]

Very true resolution isn't all. What makes film so good is its latitude and color quality, basically a bigger range of tones and colors. People go on about resolution too much. Although the Red one does look great.

[OrmEmber]

Kind of an ugly camera; but it looks amazingly small for what it can do. I can't even find a dealer that has Red One footage to show, much less a camera. People are waiting in line to have an order filled by them; must be nice.

I think I'll wait until I save up $30,000; maybe by that time the price will have dropped!

[dingostorm11]

although i do agree with eggbertsmith i see nothing wrong with drooling over this sexi bitch of a red camera.the whole idea behind the camera was to put the technology in the hands of people who couldn't normally afford it(although it starts at 17.5 grand)it's not just about resolution but pricing as well. go check cams like Genesis or Viper filmstream and they won't even give you a price. this is life toyata making a car that runs on water. it won't make you a better driver,but y should it.

[TheRealBladeRunner]

Peter Jackson uses this camera. Enough said.

[eggbertsmith]

Now stop all the foolish typing, and get out there and get a second job, so you can afford to get in line to buy a RED. Because that will take you from unknown, to master director in a single step.

In Soderbergh's hands, great things can probably be done with this camera. In a students hands, they (usually) cant.

Walk before you run.

"we are subservient to the story"

The end.

[eggbertsmith]

I especially love the guys who do nothing but (attempt to) emulate what was trendy in big-budget films several years ago, without an ounce, shred, or tiniest bit of interest in telling a proper story.

I mean...why tell a story, when you can have fun trying to fill your project with effects and action that instantly stamp your film "student production".

How about attempting your own stylised aesthetics? God forbid you try somthing new, original, or lacking in conformity.

[erett2000]

Please name one project you have worked on, or please send me a link to a clip of a video you have made. I would love to see at least some glimpse of a piece from you.

[eggbertsmith]

Interesting how some "filmmakers" are MORE excited about the equipment, then the strength of their projects. And in the case of the Red, it's excitement about gear that might be outdated within 2 or 3 years. I've never seen a Super16 or 35mm filmmaker bragging about his/her gear before, or lovingly stroking it. At least, not the ones who are contributing anything worthwhile.

Equipment...is just equipment. You're either a hobbyist, or an artist. The assignment dictates the tools.

[mk2k6]

So you're an "artist" right? Got a link to your latest masterpiece shot on 8mm?

[eggbertsmith]

On Super16, actually. (And what's wrong with super8?) And no, I would never answer to that sort of highly pretentious, ego-driven, childish term...but I suspect you would, given your demenor. Hate to repeat but sometimes fools need concepts driven into thier heads:

A decent project shot on ANY format, is just that...a decent project. Crap shot on the RED, is very high resolution crap.

Get over it, tech-kiddies. Tools are tools

[Northlorien]

i aggree. i m a student(movie making), and i use miniDV or DV, best option HD, because its cheep, and u have to practice a lot, if u wanna be somebody. especialy if u wanna be a director. Belive me... just wach the BWP, and the dogma movies... they were shot by miniDV, DV handycams... but i think guys that u never seen any dogma movies... and u jast talking shit here. noobs

[Northlorien]

THE BWP IS 16mm

[erett2000]

You're a student that can't spell cheap.

[embroisured]

I can shoot myself taking a crap on with that camera and I would still drool over the quality.. but that's just me lol

Also super 16 is very nice, but I find that 8mm looks like home movies from the 60s

[erett2000]

What? "This user doesn't have any videos at this time!" So, he is either an incredible filmmaker who only does large screenings or he is some wash-up sitting on his Mac trying to sound like he is someone he's not.

[eggbertsmith]

And my dear, wise mk2k6...just because you dont agree with my comments, certainly doesnt make them any less true. By your rather unlearned rational, I can only complain about the horrible chicken I just ordered...if I am an accomplished master chief?

Can you believe some people? Do they think before they type? Or is it just sort of a reactive impulse based on those inherent hunter/gatherer instincts that are still within us?

[erett2000]

Hahahaha. Thank you! Who is eggbertsmith and where is his portfolio?

[Fixmix78]

Then you've never listened properly. Directors like Scorsese or Ridley Scott often talk about the brilliance and/or resolution of their pictures (being 35mm mainly) and how e.g. filmstock evolved over the last 30 years and made it possible to shoot in low light situations. And with the digital cinematography, many of Hollywood's filmmaker find the possibilties it offers more than thrilling, like having the possibiliy to check the picture live in full resolutiuon on a huge screen.

[Fixmix78]

Of course I would never say that technology is more important than (or necessary for)good story-telling - the new Star Wars movies as a living proof - but I would not go as far as to say that filmmakers cannot be carried away by the excitement of a new technology. (Listen to the rave going on about the new 3D-films)

[mikehedge]

nice!

[romero5244]

That camera's is so damn awesome I got to use it on a steadicam at NAB. and saw the full 4K resolution on special sony projectors in a private theatre, also at NAB. it was so sick.

[FoxP6]

Die Red ist der letzte scheiß! FILM4EVER!!

[eggbertsmith]

Hahhaha! Good for you! Sadly, not everyone shares your enthusiasm, dear German film-loving brother. Lots of digi-kiddies getting aroused by this camera, as it it's going to make thier conformist and worthless projects any better because of the resolution.

A good concept, writing, and acting will look better shot on Super8 with expired film...then on a brand new RED in the hands of the countless techie "hobbyest" types who want to make "movies".

Tools are tools.

[only4sweitch]

wow egbertsmith, you are just passionate about this aren't you.

"as if its going to make their conformist and worthless projects any better because of the resolution"

quit shitting your pants over the fact that people are excited about a very cool new product.

and what the fuck have you created with your "super 8 and a good concept"

please, upload and enlighten me.

[AndrewMann552]

Soderbergh shot his epic "Che" with this!

[WonderHowtodotcom]

The Snowball fight above was shot on the RED at 75fps. We set it to 4k 2-1 because of a glitch, but wow what a camera!!!

[archoboy]

how much do pro cams like these cost?

[Sovnarkom]

$17,500 for this one and that's a bargain. Oh' and another $10,000 for the lense.

[ppmail]

I'm pretty happy with my Z1 !

[SkyDude79]

Z1 stinks. I sold it and am buying a HV20 instead. Better in many ways... Progressive and better resolution otherwise too. And small! :OD

[ppmail]

Are you joking?

That thing looks like a kids toy!

No serious videographer would consider a handheld that size!

[SkyDude79]

Picture quality is more important than how the camera looks. If you don't get respect cause of the camera, just show them the image quality and they do what you say. Seroisly. If you shoot progressively, HV20 makes MUCH better HD-images than Z1. More than double the resoulution that is (as of pixelshifting as well...)

[fourthwall1]

you're an idiot, go back to beta cams.

[kamikaze1213]

I'm pretty happy with my HVX200 :)

[CRAZYconTHEsk8er]

duh, haha

[marketmd]

RED sucks balls. Just get an HV20.

[Datselguf2]

Nah HVX200;)

[SkyDude79]

I'd rather have 2 HV20 than one BIG heavy Red One too i guess :P Red can't shoot 3D with that big lens. Hehe

[StuartGosling]

you are so ignorant

[amaier100]

research a little something called depth of field, then try and sound like you know what you're talking about. Hv20=1ccd@ .25in sensor. Everything is in focus...... red camera= ability to have shallow DOF meaning sharp eyes/nose and soft ears on CUps (beautiful... hv20=p.o.s.

Again, research Depth of field

[SkyDude79]

Do your "research" better. The HV20 uses 1 CMOS (like Red One) and has more light sensitivity in badly lit scenes than most 3CCDs. HV20 also has every possibility of creating DOF, just add a cheap 35mm adapter you even can make yourself. So, ur point is?

[SkyDude79]

I don't say HV20 is a BETTER cam than Red One, just that for many people it fits their work better. Red One is HEAVY, big, requires a lot of disk space at optimum resolution and needs expensive computers with many processors/cores to do the same rendering speed... Sure Red One is Top Of The Edge, but also HEAVY to work with...if you can afford it and its needed counterparts ;)

[amaier100]

I know hv20 is a huge bang for your buck, All I'm saying is that the bigger the sensor (red camera is FULL 35 frame ccd size) the better light reproduction/ dof control you have. YES, you can put a 35 adapter on an hv20. No it will not have nearly the color range, IRE range etc. For the money hv20 will give you a great student film feel with a letus/redrock adapter,

[SkyDude79]

Not true... You can make productions with higher quality than HVR-Z1 with the right settings. Z1 is used much for TV broadcast, so... Student films? LOL! Have you actually seen what this cam can do? The wrong man behind a Red can make a cheaper look than the right man behind a HV20... And not everything needs to be 4k... although resolution is SO "important" these days...

[pfranks44]

are you shitting me? i have an fx7 which produces a far better picture than an HV20 and i can only wish to get a RED ONE.

[SkyDude79]

Yeah, sure. What is better then? HV20 is 25p, FX7 is not... Of course 3CMOS must do something, just haven't seen any advantages myself...

[pfranks44]

its actually 24p and its not even that great, color correction and basic skill with the camera matter more. and i don't even care because i have a 24p converter in my editing software.

im saying that the RED ONE camera is way way way out of either of our camera's leagues.

[SkyDude79]

You said FX7 is 24p?! I know Red is GREAT, noone can say against that. But som of us are indies (/rebels) on porpose, and don't want to work with such a demanding cam yet...

[pfranks44]

no i meant it is 24p as in not "25p" like you said.i know the fx7 is not 24p.

well neither of us are getting the RED ONE camera any time soon anyways.

the hv20 is great, but honestly not as great as you think

[SkyDude79]

Red One is only 24p? Not 25p? My HV20 is 25p as I have the PAL version...

Not? What is not great then? I't right by me, so I can check out any point you might have. Rolling shutter might be the only real problem, but not if you film right and wnow of it...

[pfranks44]

im not saying the hv20 has any problems. all i was saying originally was that it is nowhere near the RED ONE camera. and i would personally rather have an fx7 with a dof adapter and 24p conversion than an hv20.

[SkyDude79]

People are different. I want my HV20 instead of the HVR-Z1 which I had before... I am going to fix me a DOF adapter soon, and think I'll love it :) Of course I'll start dreaming of a Red (ThreeD?) camera some day too, but it's not time for that yet...

You gotta love your cam, not always dream of a new one. One big point for me is buying 1 more HV20/HV30 and put the two side by side,

[Ryguy1450]

me too. But remember, the Hv20 records in HDV format, and Hv30 records in AVCHD. I'd stick w/ the Hv20 just b/c the AVCHD IS SLOW. 15 mbps as opposed to hv20's 25.

[SkyDude79]

Not true. The HV30 is almost a copy of the HV20, with only small enhancements ;) HV30 is the only new Canon that uses HDV... And i think HDV is a great format too... AVCHD is too heavy... HV20/30-image is likely to be just the same. Think about those two sexy cams side-by-side making you film great quality 1080p in 3D today! :D

[SkyDude79]

which will give me an opportunity to film in 3D not far from now... The InThree process is not for indies or normal

(semi-)pros, and I do not trust it being as perfect as filming with two cams side by side on the set...

[SkyDude79]

2 Reds are too heavy for me, even one One... :PIf carrying heavy equipment and destroying my body was what I wanted, I would do that in some other much cheaper way...

Hehe! So only HV20 for me theese days... Why convert to 25p (losing resolution and taking lots a conversion time)

[SkyDude79]

when I can film directly in 25p to begin with... Remember: Not all directors who afford a Red + editing suite, can afford Dimenzionalisation later.

That's ONE expensive and advanced procedure I say... Can't wait to see it in action! Don't believe it before I see it with my own eyes... Hehe ;) (SORRY ABOUT THE SPRED POSTS.. Think they got upside down)

[pfranks44]

oh ya i see. i guess its somewhat a matter of pride. like you said you gotta love your cam.

3D? wow never even considered that. interesting

[SkyDude79]

Yeah... Two cams, one for each eye... Guess the with of th samll cam makes a perfect distance between the lenses ;) Why not do something like that today, thoigh it is coming for full in some years... :)

[wavesdvdcom]

At 4k, you dof is 35mm, at 2k your dof is 16mm or 1/2 the depth of field.. so yes, he is right. The resolution in the 2k mode is windowed mode using only 1/4 of the sensor so you have less sensor that fits the lense - smaller size and smaller area of chip exposed. Thus you can have higher film ratees, 4x at 1/4 of the resolution.

[loveandrespect2007]

What's he talking about? He made the argument that you have shallower DOF if you shoot 4K. That makes zero sense. The resolution has nothing to do with DOF. It's all about the lenses.

Thoughts?

[KillahMate]

Actually, he should've been a bit clearer about this; if you check the camera specs, you'll find that not only does it work as a 35mm camera with 4k (and 4.5k and 2k and HD) and regular shallow 35mm DOF, but it can also work in a special "window" mode where it uses just the 2k pixels in the middle of the sensor (same size as 16mm film) and takes 16mm lenses. So it basically turns into a 16mm/2k camera - and you get the deep 16mm DOF he's talking about. Which is actually pretty damn cool.

[BuquiProductions]

"10 minutes with little flash card"

[starchaser28]

Did he say 10 minutes on a 4Gb flash card?