if ur so angry about this, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! dont just bitch on youtube. i challenge you to act on what u believe an what u talk about. words=nothing. ACTION BRINGS CHANGE
Dichotomous thinking isn't particularly helpful either. Watch Chomsky on Leninism: unions were violently suppressed under Stalin. Trotsky was saved by never ascending to state power.
@gamerunknown Chomsky is an opinionist, standard bourgeois academic who opposes the notion of workers' control and representation in politics. See the debate with Michel Foucault, he makes an ass of himself.
@gamerunknown Chomsky is an opinionist, standard bourgeois academic who opposes the notion of workers' control and representation in politics. See the debate with Michel Foucault, he makes an ass of himself.
@gamerunknown Chomsky is an opinionist, standard bourgeois academic who opposes the notion of workers' control and representation in politics. See the debate with Michel Foucault, he makes an ass of himself.
@gamerunknown Chomsky is an opinionist, standard bourgeois academic who opposes the notion of workers' control and representation in politics. See the debate with Michel Foucault, he makes an ass of himself.
@gamerunknown Chomsky is an opinionist, standard bourgeois academic who opposes the notion of workers' control and representation in politics. See the debate with Michel Foucault, he makes an ass of himself.
@gamerunknown Chomsky is an opinionist, standard bourgeois academic who opposes the notion of workers' control and representation in politics. See the debate with Michel Foucault, he makes an ass of himself.
@gamerunknown Largely from 4:31 and then the second part especially. He doesn't explicitly say that workers' representation is a bad thing, but by branding a whole socialist construction as "State capitalism" from his armchair and by imposing his facile generalizations on what is a step forward in workers' struggles ("leninism" as he would call it) is an implicit denial of its progressive character. His "The Soviet Union Versus Socialism" is a very important clue.
In the video I discussed, he mentioned explicitly the unions which Lenin's policies shut down. It's the mark of any good dictator to oppose any gathering of the populace if they hold higher standards than the dictator's fiat. That's why the HDI accounts for union and Church membership (sadly, this would include the credulous followers of the state's tool: prosperity theology). Lenin himself wrote a pamphlet decrying Left-Communism and the POUM were persecuted in Spain.
@gamerunknown For movementism, spontaneism, anarchism, or whatever we wish to call it is a dogma because history continues to prove it incorrect. And those who support this position are dogmatists when they continue to forget they were proved wrong (and perhaps, like the category of dogmatists above, ascribing failures to the misapplication of something that, if purely applied, would work)
"Proved wrong": appeal to tradition. Because Razin, Bulavin and Pugachev failed, that would surely mean that revolution in Russia would be impossible, right? Was there any historical precedent for female voters? In reality, worker control of the means of production has never been allowed by capitalism or central authorities.
@gamerunknown And make the same pronouncements when it comes to the spontaneous uprisings elsewhere, like the so-called "Arab Spring"––and when proved wrong even here, refuse to admit their errors and persist, over and over again, in supporting the same political line.
The Richest 5% of the US OWns 98% of the wealth in the US,
Moreover the Wealthy Use workers To make More money for themselves, the workers create the industry the poor are the customers that make the world Go round... the rich R Greedy bastards Who Never get enough money,
"Parenti says that fascism is a pseudo-revolutionary movement that serves the same old power structure and promises to solve the ills of the many while really protecting the interests of the few."
Capitalism is the growing ground of Cold Fascism...
What hurts me most is that so many people can't get their heads wrapped around the simple logic that Dr. Parenti is explaining here and are reduced to spouting dubious libertarian and conservative bromides as if they were true. If you can't get what he's saying here, we are already on the road to fascism.
"Parenti says that fascism is a pseudo-revolutionary movement that serves the same old power structure and promises to solve the ills of the many while really protecting the interests of the few."
He's right about fascism, but he doesn't seem to realize that socialism hardly different.
Keep telling yourself that. I've had this debate to many times to care.
Theres only 2 historical examples of fascism, one was Italy under a lifelong socialist named Mussolini. The other was Germany under the National Socialist German Workers Party, commonly known as the Nazi party.
The technical differences between fascism and socialism don't effect the people living under it. At the end of the day its not Socialism vs Fascism, its freedom vs control(socialism, fascism, communism, etc.)
Mussolini and Hitler wernt socialist tho you idiot, they used socialism to push there own agenda. Socialism = nationalisation, Facism = privatreisation
I never said Italy was a socialist country. I said that Mussolini was a lifelong socialist and high member of the socialist party. Then he decided that Fascism was a better form of control. Germany was more socialist than fascist, Nazism literally means National Socialism. The truth is that Hitler started his own movement that can't be classified by either term. But yes, Nazi Germany was a welfare state with universal health care and all that other good stuff.
You just hit the nail on the head. Socialism does not inject the kind of sociopath detachment that's required to enact horrible deeds associated with Mussolini and Hitler. Their belief in socialism could not be considered as relevant simply because they were obsessed with their own agenda, and were prepared to say anything to slip in. Our own capitalist Government has had it's own atrocities (i.e. Native Americans, Slaves, Racism, Sexism, etc.). And yet these things are somehow passable.
DiD You even Listen To what he Said... Hitler Like All polititans was a bastard populist who used the working peoples hunger and put the word socialism in his parties name to attract the common man... But he killed millions of socialist in the Consentration camps
By the word "freedom" you mean capitalism I suspect? Is capitalism any more free than state control? Do multinational companies not assist rulers of countries that serve their benifit? And by doing so do they actually become the "state"? The only difference between capitalism and socialism is that democracy does not exist in capitalism. It is Multinational corporations that pay for their own puppets to put it government whereas the people choose via socialism.
What you just explained about capitalism is actually fascism (corporations owning the government) and I am against that just as much as socialism (the government owning corporations). I believe a market and a population that is free from its government and a government that exists only to protect its peoples rights. You can call it capitalist if you want, i call it constitutional.
Read 5th ElementHipHop's comment ;). Ever wonder where the car company Volks Wagon came from? It means "People's Car" and was owned by the "German People". Thats only one example.
Oh man. I can't agree with you more. I always hear hardcore libertarian capitalists talk about how socialism is nothing but a false utopia. And yet, they talk about capitalism as if it's a flawless utopia. God damn its annoying!
Socialism is utterly different from fascis... did you listen to him, Mussolini and the other "top dogs" in the Italian Business world Got together and formed a Form of Ultra Capitalism... Fascism...
The Closest Example in the Western Today would Be USA... M.O.P Money Over People ... Right
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance."
that's what you get when you take people moneys away abruptly - what they do is take it away slowly, real slowly, and so the people don't notice . . . until too late
Prescott Sheldon Bush (The Grandfather of our President G.W. Bush) as Harriman Bank executive supported heavily the NAZI party and economic interests of the NAZI party on Wall Street.
Thanks for supporting Michael!!
MichaelParentiOrg 9 months ago
Corporatism = Fascism
But we need the bogeyman to scare the people in surrounding their liberties.
Terrorism = to 98% state organized terrorism
Drugs: See Iran contra affair. see google video:Prison Industrial Complex
Pedophiles: Franklin Cover-Up
Demetrenos 1 year ago
Fascism is crisis capitalism.
TheNomadicMonad 2 years ago
HEY ALL U ANGRY PEOPLE!
if ur so angry about this, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! dont just bitch on youtube. i challenge you to act on what u believe an what u talk about. words=nothing. ACTION BRINGS CHANGE
FACTUM NON VERBUM!!!!!!
kevindarklord 2 years ago 2
Way ahead of you. Antifascist action all the way. We will abolish capitalism and the State.
DuffmanIRL 2 years ago 13
@DuffmanIRL
Antifascist action all the way to where exactly?
WTF is it that "anti-" anything offers as a solution? 0.o
An opportunity to avoid the fact that communism was just another thing the same crooks have been lying to us about?
Say COMMUNISM, enough of that "antifa" euphemism BS!
Lillymill 8 months ago
@Lillymill What the fuck are you talking about?
DuffmanIRL 8 months ago
@DuffmanIRL
Exactly what I wrote.
Lillymill 8 months ago
@Lillymill anti fascism is just a part of that ideology.. what are you trying to even get at?
lobzunpreston 5 months ago
@lobzunpreston
That's exactly what I was saying.
Anti-fascism is not a standalone ideology as those "antifa" hooligans are trying to portray it.
People need solutions not the staged confrontations of antifas and skinheads.
People need to snap out of this Cold War slumber and realize that communists were actually the good guys.
Enough with the fake substitutes!
That's basically what I had in mind.
Lillymill 5 months ago
@Lillymill
Communists were NOT the good guys.. That's a myth but they just aren't anywhere near as bad as corpotists/fascists..
xMaXiMuSx 2 months ago
@xMaXiMuSx
Communists were the good guys.
Enough of that McCarthyist mythology.
Lillymill 2 months ago
@Lillymill
Dichotomous thinking isn't particularly helpful either. Watch Chomsky on Leninism: unions were violently suppressed under Stalin. Trotsky was saved by never ascending to state power.
gamerunknown 2 months ago
@gamerunknown Chomsky is an opinionist, standard bourgeois academic who opposes the notion of workers' control and representation in politics. See the debate with Michel Foucault, he makes an ass of himself.
buzzhawk 1 week ago
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@gamerunknown Chomsky is an opinionist, standard bourgeois academic who opposes the notion of workers' control and representation in politics. See the debate with Michel Foucault, he makes an ass of himself.
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@gamerunknown Chomsky is an opinionist, standard bourgeois academic who opposes the notion of workers' control and representation in politics. See the debate with Michel Foucault, he makes an ass of himself.
buzzhawk 1 week ago
@gamerunknown Chomsky is an opinionist, standard bourgeois academic who opposes the notion of workers' control and representation in politics. See the debate with Michel Foucault, he makes an ass of himself.
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@gamerunknown Chomsky is an opinionist, standard bourgeois academic who opposes the notion of workers' control and representation in politics. See the debate with Michel Foucault, he makes an ass of himself.
buzzhawk 1 week ago
@gamerunknown Chomsky is an opinionist, standard bourgeois academic who opposes the notion of workers' control and representation in politics. See the debate with Michel Foucault, he makes an ass of himself.
buzzhawk 1 week ago
@buzzhawk
At which point in the debate? Do you have any cite of where he claims that less worker representation is desirable?
gamerunknown 1 week ago
@gamerunknown Largely from 4:31 and then the second part especially. He doesn't explicitly say that workers' representation is a bad thing, but by branding a whole socialist construction as "State capitalism" from his armchair and by imposing his facile generalizations on what is a step forward in workers' struggles ("leninism" as he would call it) is an implicit denial of its progressive character. His "The Soviet Union Versus Socialism" is a very important clue.
buzzhawk 1 week ago
@buzzhawk
In the video I discussed, he mentioned explicitly the unions which Lenin's policies shut down. It's the mark of any good dictator to oppose any gathering of the populace if they hold higher standards than the dictator's fiat. That's why the HDI accounts for union and Church membership (sadly, this would include the credulous followers of the state's tool: prosperity theology). Lenin himself wrote a pamphlet decrying Left-Communism and the POUM were persecuted in Spain.
gamerunknown 1 week ago
@gamerunknown For movementism, spontaneism, anarchism, or whatever we wish to call it is a dogma because history continues to prove it incorrect. And those who support this position are dogmatists when they continue to forget they were proved wrong (and perhaps, like the category of dogmatists above, ascribing failures to the misapplication of something that, if purely applied, would work)
buzzhawk 1 week ago
@buzzhawk
"Proved wrong": appeal to tradition. Because Razin, Bulavin and Pugachev failed, that would surely mean that revolution in Russia would be impossible, right? Was there any historical precedent for female voters? In reality, worker control of the means of production has never been allowed by capitalism or central authorities.
gamerunknown 1 week ago
@gamerunknown And make the same pronouncements when it comes to the spontaneous uprisings elsewhere, like the so-called "Arab Spring"––and when proved wrong even here, refuse to admit their errors and persist, over and over again, in supporting the same political line.
buzzhawk 1 week ago
Acta non verba
vondelpark1973 2 years ago
@kevindarklord
Be the one to set an example!
Lillymill 8 months ago
The Richest 5% of the US OWns 98% of the wealth in the US,
Moreover the Wealthy Use workers To make More money for themselves, the workers create the industry the poor are the customers that make the world Go round... the rich R Greedy bastards Who Never get enough money,
strengthnfaith 2 years ago
"The Richest 5% of the US OWns 98% of the wealth in the US"
Where did you get this from? Evidence? Link?
[I'm on the left by the way, not a rightist hack]
jumpnjza2 2 years ago
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tr00ths33k3r 10 months ago
@jumpnjza2 google "who rules america" -- also "social stratification" etc
tr00ths33k3r 10 months ago
"Parenti says that fascism is a pseudo-revolutionary movement that serves the same old power structure and promises to solve the ills of the many while really protecting the interests of the few."
Capitalism is the growing ground of Cold Fascism...
strengthnfaith 2 years ago
Adolf Hitler was not a Socialist.
xcookiemonster88 2 years ago
What hurts me most is that so many people can't get their heads wrapped around the simple logic that Dr. Parenti is explaining here and are reduced to spouting dubious libertarian and conservative bromides as if they were true. If you can't get what he's saying here, we are already on the road to fascism.
wvprogressive1933 3 years ago 3
great comment....
bebop54 2 years ago
the next 10 years should be very interesting.
donttrustany1 3 years ago
"Parenti says that fascism is a pseudo-revolutionary movement that serves the same old power structure and promises to solve the ills of the many while really protecting the interests of the few."
He's right about fascism, but he doesn't seem to realize that socialism hardly different.
5thElementHipHop 3 years ago
WHAT!?!? Its a hella different my friend, but as he says before that fascism lurks behind the cloak of socialism, that way its alot easier to accept.
GhostVirusx90 3 years ago
Keep telling yourself that. I've had this debate to many times to care.
Theres only 2 historical examples of fascism, one was Italy under a lifelong socialist named Mussolini. The other was Germany under the National Socialist German Workers Party, commonly known as the Nazi party.
The technical differences between fascism and socialism don't effect the people living under it. At the end of the day its not Socialism vs Fascism, its freedom vs control(socialism, fascism, communism, etc.)
5thElementHipHop 3 years ago
Mussolini and Hitler wernt socialist tho you idiot, they used socialism to push there own agenda. Socialism = nationalisation, Facism = privatreisation
emilysmilesbabezx1 3 years ago
I never said Italy was a socialist country. I said that Mussolini was a lifelong socialist and high member of the socialist party. Then he decided that Fascism was a better form of control. Germany was more socialist than fascist, Nazism literally means National Socialism. The truth is that Hitler started his own movement that can't be classified by either term. But yes, Nazi Germany was a welfare state with universal health care and all that other good stuff.
5thElementHipHop 3 years ago
yeah that was my brother
GhostVirusx90
emilysmilesbabezx1 3 years ago
You just hit the nail on the head. Socialism does not inject the kind of sociopath detachment that's required to enact horrible deeds associated with Mussolini and Hitler. Their belief in socialism could not be considered as relevant simply because they were obsessed with their own agenda, and were prepared to say anything to slip in. Our own capitalist Government has had it's own atrocities (i.e. Native Americans, Slaves, Racism, Sexism, etc.). And yet these things are somehow passable.
TaskforceDingbat 3 years ago
DiD You even Listen To what he Said... Hitler Like All polititans was a bastard populist who used the working peoples hunger and put the word socialism in his parties name to attract the common man... But he killed millions of socialist in the Consentration camps
strengthnfaith 2 years ago 3
By the word "freedom" you mean capitalism I suspect? Is capitalism any more free than state control? Do multinational companies not assist rulers of countries that serve their benifit? And by doing so do they actually become the "state"? The only difference between capitalism and socialism is that democracy does not exist in capitalism. It is Multinational corporations that pay for their own puppets to put it government whereas the people choose via socialism.
OldTommyFlynns 3 years ago 2
What you just explained about capitalism is actually fascism (corporations owning the government) and I am against that just as much as socialism (the government owning corporations). I believe a market and a population that is free from its government and a government that exists only to protect its peoples rights. You can call it capitalist if you want, i call it constitutional.
5thElementHipHop 3 years ago
Adolf Hitler was not a Socialist.He was a National Socialist which created the amalgam of Nazism.
xcookiemonster88 2 years ago
Read 5th ElementHipHop's comment ;). Ever wonder where the car company Volks Wagon came from? It means "People's Car" and was owned by the "German People". Thats only one example.
OldTommyFlynns 2 years ago
Free markets is just as Utopian as Communism so please be a realist.
xcookiemonster88 2 years ago 2
Oh man. I can't agree with you more. I always hear hardcore libertarian capitalists talk about how socialism is nothing but a false utopia. And yet, they talk about capitalism as if it's a flawless utopia. God damn its annoying!
DaHonestAbe 2 years ago
its sounds like you didn't watch the first video..or any of this one actually
skipscobie 3 years ago
Socialism is utterly different from fascis... did you listen to him, Mussolini and the other "top dogs" in the Italian Business world Got together and formed a Form of Ultra Capitalism... Fascism...
The Closest Example in the Western Today would Be USA... M.O.P Money Over People ... Right
strengthnfaith 2 years ago
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance."
-Adolf Hiter
1927
5thElementHipHop 3 years ago 2
Im not where you got your definition of fascism?
OldTommyFlynns 3 years ago
that's what you get when you take people moneys away abruptly - what they do is take it away slowly, real slowly, and so the people don't notice . . . until too late
phoebus1966 3 years ago
Prescott Sheldon Bush (The Grandfather of our President G.W. Bush) as Harriman Bank executive supported heavily the NAZI party and economic interests of the NAZI party on Wall Street.
divinejudge1 3 years ago 11
Also their farther back ancestors made their original money by selling opium, and allegedly used several universities as smuggling dens
sep2hbk 3 years ago
Interesting, where can I read about that? I'd love to see more dirt.
divinejudge1 3 years ago