Schumacher is a dirty racer even now the fucking prick gets away with everythink blocking an every other dirty trick under the sun an when other drivers do the same they get shafted all the time it maybe schumacher sucks cock i don't know but SENNA is in a different class all toether he new the limits of his car.
This was a real race. With real pilots. That movie "Senna" is not just about the incredible Ayrton Senna. It also depict the exact moment when F1 cease to be a sport, and change to became a tecnological competition.
Senna was the last great pilot of a age where pilots has to be pushed beyond the limit, to the extreme, not only in the track but outside also. Now, we just have a bunch of stupid guys trying to look cool piloting robots. F1 nowadays is too many buttons and no guts.
We went to this race it was such a miserable day got soaked!! Was worth it though to see a GP at Donnington, you never really hear it on videos but the crowd were cheering Senna when he passed Prost up till then I'd never heard British fans cheer senna at a race
Oh? You mean vettel with that cheat assisting DRS, and over 20 years of more advanced F1 technology... Oh ok!!! STFU only a noob would say something like that, apparently you don't know who Senna was, or what he was capable of...
Hehe, it´s like saying: Senna was better than Fangio because he drove faster laptimes...
But I have the impression that modern F1 cars are a bit more difficult to drive through the rain than the old ones of the 80s and 90s. The high reving engines and the dependance on aerodynamical grip should make it more difficult to drive a modern car on a wet track.
@Sokra01 the 90's had about 1200hp the cars today have about 800 and are more aerodynamic and have more things to keep the car in the rain better. so back then it was harder to keep them under control
@zorkytotal Can't you read my post, i said : "someone said", so it's not me who made the opinion, i just reported someone saying. Get it? Because i also like Senna.
It's incredible how he can drive so near the limit of the tires in the wet and hold traction. This lap surely shows how brilliant and sharp Senna is as a racing driver!!! There will never be another like him.
Senna was so fast in his overtaking that Murray and Hunt struggled commenting. when Murray says Senna was attacking Wendlinger he has already passed him...and so did Hunt with the manouver on Hill.
Im so sad that missed the Senna-Prost era of F1, cause I was too young back then, didnt start to truly follow F1 until 1998...I wish I could watch whole races from that era instead of just these clips :P....and those F1 cars look so much better than 2012 Ferrari, Force India and Caterham....have you seen how UGLY those cars are? -__-
@zorkytotal Exactly. And I emphasize mainly rivals and for not having his teammate not to attack and having to hand positions (Useless Barrichello). The teammate Senna Prost was the (three-time champion once again champion in cheating). And still had Mansel, Piquet (Senna hated), and others ...
I always facepalm when I see a close-minded Senna fan bash Schumacher. Open your eyes, dummies. Schumacher took F1 to the next level. Stop living in the past. That's about as worse as a Christian not acknowledging that the Earth rotates around the Sun. And note how my comment does not bash Senna at all. Perhaps that is something you should think about twice.
@Killfist The person who took Formula 1 to the next level was Senna. His willingness to push the envelope , accept no compromise, fitness levels , his entire approach shaped F1 . Schumacher continued where senna left off . Don't get it twisted Senna was THE game-changer when it came to elite motor-racing . Was and still is the man .
@thehitchrules "Schumacher continued where Senna left off", indeed so. He made it even better. You're allowed to have your own opinion, of course, but it's mainly about the fact here that so many Senna fans (or wannabe Senna fans) dismiss the fact that Schumacher is simply one hell of a driver. You do not see me say Senna is overrated or whatnot. Schumacher and Senna were rather similar to be fair.
@Killfist Schumacher is an incredible driver . But it was Senna who changed formula 1. you really don't know much about formula 1 to say it was Schumacher . The person who changed the face of formula 1 was Senna and his influence was massive . Schumacher took 12 yeras to break senna's most poles record and never had a world champion in his team to compete against. Senna was the game-changer , for many, many reasons. just the way it is .
@Killfist What we will never know is what would have happened if Schumacher had the best car AND the (second) best driver in his team. For sure, several seasons would have been less boring. Senna proved that he could beat any driver on an equal footing. Schumacher did not. My guess is that he would have missed a couple of world crowns, but would have lifted all doubts about is talent and made tens of Sundays afternoons much more interesting.
@SuperJohnSB I appreciate your comment. But then again, did Schumacher ever get the chance to prove he could beat another driver on "equal footing"? By that I believe you mean equal cars though- you may correct me if I'm mistaken. I'm not here to state that Schumacher is better than Senna or whatever, because that would be complete rubbish. Skill-wise, I just believe Senna and Schumacher are on the same level. Reputation-wise? Obviously Senna. Reply fully appreciated, thank you.
@Killfist MS / Ferrari's priorities were not to have 2 top drivers in the same team, but rather a #1 & a #2, which made sense from a tactical point of view. When Ferraris became (again) the best cars, MS was simply unbeatable cause his team-mate was not equal to the job. There were extremly gifted pilots on the market at the time, but none of them were proposed to drive a Ferrari exc. Raikkonen... when MS retired. MS's objective was to break all records while AS's was to beat all drivers.
@SuperJohnSB Yeah, I agree. I do feel however now that Schumacher's time is over and he should bring it to an end again this next season. Raikkonen has always been fabulous in my opinion. Right now, my favourite driver has to be Alonso. He's matured a lot over the years and I would rank him as the most consistent driver right now. Button has also been great lately. It's just a bit hard to judge Vettel because he's got the best machine. There's no doubting his talents though. Can't wait for Kimi.
@thehitchrules Parts of it are right, but the driver that started all of this you mentioned was Niki Lauda. I dont know anything about Senna's fitness levels, but he pushed the envelope for sure. (And Adrian Newey ;-D)
@Schrecklassnach38 No, not parts. ALL of what I say is right . Senna was incredibly fit, he realised the demands of driving an F1 car when he drove for Toleman and was well known for all the things I stated it . Lauda was an exceptional driver but Senna was THE game changer.
@thehitchrules I didnt doubt that you're right, I only said the one that started it with fitness and that during the weekend only the car matters (sorry for my bad english, dont know how to say it xD) was Niki Lauda. Senna was a great driver and he was progressive, but he wasnt the first one.
If we are talking sheer speed there is no question Senna was in a league of his own. Take away the car performance difference and he'd be fastest almost all the time.
Schumacher is the most overrated driver of all time! He had always the best car than other drivers (and in 1994 his car was totally illegal), just like Vettel nowadays. So stop comparing Schumacher with Senna... the brazilian was ten hundred times better than the german! That's a fact that every F1 expert can not deny. And this video is a glaring proof about the fact Senna has been and will ever be the greatest driver of ALL TIME!
hehhe schumi who? you lost the old time greats and saw the worst F1 era, wining races in boxes with team orders and second drive to back up....schumi bring many sponsors to ferrari so Jean Todt said "you are safe here they cant take you" . 94 season senna show who was the boss, always the faster but the car broke and damon hill crashed him....should be easily his 4 champioship we saw the technique difference
and your comment Mcsqueegy is full of shit that driving takes skill that no other driver in the world possesses. He was the best driver there will ever be and I will take no arguments on that.
I get the feeling after Senna got shoved to the outside by Schumacher, Senna said "Fuck this shit!" passed his way up to 1st and put his stamp of authority on the race. . .
I was there at the Craner Curves and was lucky enough to be at the part of the circuit where Senna stopped to pick up the Brazilian flag at the end.
Incredible memories. I
I'm going to Sao Paulo in March (I have family in Rio de Janeiro so I go there alot) to visit Ayton's grave. Always a lovely moment for me. Would much prefer he were still around though :(
I wish I had been alive to witness this!! Unfortunately I was born in 1996 so i completely missed the Senna vs Prost era. Even though I never saw Senna race, he is still a huge inspiration to me and my kart racing and even if i had a fifth of the talent he had, I would be one of the happiest people alive! R.I.P. Senna!!
@marcopdtdi really?? Well schumi was passing Senna left right and centre early in his career. As for this video it proves nothing the mclaren had electronic traction control and that's why he was passing them so was his team mate. it was banned later on, this race has given too much undeserved credit to Senna never the less he is a master in wet races. So please everyone criticize in a mature manner and base it on facts.
@zabraoota1 wtf, that piece of shit that you typed there, been eating dog poop? Traction control only 93 with Willians and eletronic suspention active. Senna hit over all because he chose to race with sleeks
@launger no no come up with this lies on me, i know exactly how the history was written, had the privilege of accopanying F1 80's and 90's. Willians cars awalys been much more advantage and technical, but Mclaren had honda engines. Honda left F1 in 91 and remained to mclaren ford second line engine 3.5 v8 cosworth, because benetton had priority in contract since 91 with ford to use first line ford HBA 3.5 v8
@shrapnelV i remember that when honda left F1 in 91, Mclaren became a inferior car that dueled with Sauber at the same level, but was far by a long shot of Willians Benetton and Ferrari. The victories of Senna came on account his geniality and special situation like rain...fuck statistics people have eyes. And damn F1 policy the combo Balestre-Prost stole Senna many times, if he had an easy life as shumi should have more titles
@zabraoota1 only the two willians had the eletronic traction and this is why Senna lost the championship, Senna was the best pilot ever.
In 94 when Senna started to drive for willians the eletronic traction was banned just before the championship starts and willians dont had time to fix the balance of the car.
in 89 when Prost hits Ayrtons car, he come back to race and won the race, but the stewards blamed Senna, and when in 90 when Senna hits Prost they did nothing.
@Juscelinodaf eletronic traction control came in 1992 with willians and benetton, but 2senna had his own traction control many years before, his right foot technique
Wow. This man can drive on any part of the track when he wants to make his move. He beat the much more technically superior Williams with active suspension and electronics and what not in a much inferior Mclaren with pure driving skill in one lap!
another big smile in my face, crybaby whatever you call me , i really dont care, not sensitive, what i saw here is that Senna's shadow got also MS funs. Schumacher always try to keep away of Senna's shadow
wow. dude is going from wet to dry and back again, sometimes in one corner, and u see him getting squirly yet no over-correction or throttle lifting. on the on-board with Nigel, u can see him let off as soon as his hips wiggle, and Ayrton just gets smaller and smaller lol. Im gonna go out on a limb here and say god gave this guy way too many tools to be the best, and to keep his reign as being all knowing and perfect, called him home before we could catch wind of his mistake.
@TheWoodgerC no doubt on commentator, but, when it comes to drivers it really isnt as debateable as one may think. the drivers anyone will through into that ring such as nigel mansell, guilles villeneuve (spelling) piquet etc etc will give u 1 name if u were to ask them who they think is the best. Senna.
@turbomoonie Fair point, and in my opinion Senna is certainly top, but all F1 drivers are great. Each season of the Grand Prix is the 20-30ish best drivers in the world at the time. People who say that anyone of them is bad has no idea.
@TheWoodgerC I definitely agree with u there. i mean, not too many ppl have the mental fortitude to do what these men do. its unfathomable the physical torture they put themselves through for hours at a time. they are definitely one of the best atheletes on the planet in any sport, and to think one mistake (a loose nut, loose body panel, tire falls off) and the driver is quite possibly dead or seriously injured. really is an amazing sport. And to be called the best of best is truly remarkable
@TheWoodgerC How is it debatable? Schumacher is the most successful f1 driver in history but even he admits that Senna was/is the greatest ever f1 driver. What he was able to achieve in lackluster cars was astonishing...
You probably forgot that year at Monaco where he kept driving faster and faster each lap until he was over 2 seconds faster than anyone else... He knew no fear. We all know he would have achieved much more had he not died at only age 34, not that he didn't anyway.
@TheWoodgerC - LOL - debatable??? (correct spelling, English) Who was best driver then? Ask anyone who drives professionally, in any discipline - Senna always comes up at least 8 out of 10 times - no debates amigo.
@mattiothegreat I was just trying not to get into an argument by leaving wiggle room (that obviously didn't work). But more importantly thanks for reminding me how to spell 'debatable' (I am actually British) but I don't think the Americans spell it differently, it was just a shoddy spelling mistake.
Well Jim Clark and Fangio spring to mind. I think Fangio got 48/52 front row starts or some absurd ratio like that, he also has the highest win %. Clark won an insane Spa, starting eight and 17 laps in lapped the field bar one, although he was 5m ahead of him. Monza 67, led then got a puntured tyre, rejoined a lap down and would have won but ran out of fuel (came third, was leading). He also destroyed in Indy 500, led 190/200 laps, Also has most grand slams.
the drivers nowadays are nothing compared to the drivers of those days. Vettel wins due to his very fast car and a very good team. Senna still did amazing when he was in a bad car like in this instant. He was just a god among men. The world hasn't been the same since he died. R.I.P
Whoever your favourite driver is, and however hard it is to compare different drivers from different eras, there can be NO debate that THIS lap is NOT the greatest lap in F1 history. Schuey, Mansell, and Prost (2 of the probably 4 all time greatest along with Fangio and Senna himself), ALL passed in less than 1 lap.
Maybe Senna was a flawed genius, but he was a genius nevertheless !!
i don't know if your just trying to be funny or if your actually just a dickhead, but one thing's for sure, your being totally ignorant with that statement so why don't you just crawl back up your mothers vagina and sit there like a good little boy/girl/thing or yoke and suck your own thumb cause nobody's paying any attention to your whiny little comments on this video!!!
I was watching F1 back then, when you were what... 5 years old? Senna was a legend. He was the most sought after driver by any team, the highest paid driver at the time, the most popular driver, you name it. You can find videos of Prost admitting how he was so frustrated because even in France they cheered for Senna. He couldnt have been more famous while he was alive.
Why on earth would you make such an ignorant comment?
Alain Prost was one of the greatest drivers ever............Maybe Senna and Fangio above him.This is what Prost said about Senna :-
"He established his own limits,when he reached those limits he wanted to beat them and establish new ones.I never new how far he could go,I had an understanding but i just didnt know ......."
"He established his own limits.When he reached those limits he wanted to beat them and establish new ones......I never new how far he could go,I had an understanding but i didn't know." Alain Prost Speaking About Ayrton Senna
200 years from now, if f1 still exists or if the world even exists for that matter, great motor racing fans will still look back upon this video as the most thrilling first lap of a race ever, courtesy of the greatest driver who ever lived - Ayrton Senna.
RIP the most focused, determined, and charismatic driver ever, we all miss you
@thehitchrules I can write for pages, but have you seen SPA 1995, for instance? Only Schumi could make it among the individuals who have lived, are living, and will be living. Period.
And young Schumi beat AS in every race in 1994, despite Senna won every pole that year - until he died. Yeas, sheer skills in spoiling poles, with the fastest car. Another period. And you know how Senna won the 1988 title? Why does no one mention the name of Prost?
@ilksen2010 I too could write pages .Look , i have heard and read ALL the Schumacher versus Senna arguments. I think at the end of the day when you have the F1 fraternity, motor-sports journalists, multiple polls of the public placing Senna at number 1 all the F1 drivers and Schumacher himself saying Senna is the best ever then it is just that - Senna the fastest and most skllled driver . Schu superb , yes but Senna rules and always will.
Thanks for your quick reply. But you still haven't answered my questions. Because of your attitude against stats, I won't even mention them. But when it comes to your message:
1) Could Schumi claim that he was the best? Then he would be "a cocky bastard" in public eye, as if he is not to some people;
2) I do not know who you are talking about but Eddie Jordan, Murray Walker, Ross Brawn, Niki Lauda et al. explicitly claim that MSC is the greatest ever. I can send you the links if you like?
@ilksen2010 Statistically Schumacher is , that's obvious and nobody can dispute that . However, Senna still holds the record for most victories at Monaco , 6 in total . It took Schumacher TWELVE years to beat Senna's most poles record . If Senna had been in town Schu would not have won so many world titles and he himself acknowledges that. You have your stats but real F1 fans know the score. You Schumi fans are a minority, always have been , always will be .Just how it is .
Schumi won every single race ahead of Senna, when he "was in town", in 1994, in town with the fastest Williams car. & how could Schumi break that pole record with his shitty Ferrari, which could not naturally win a title in 19 years? So the poles count more than race victories in your opinion? Btw, in any case, Schumi has won 68 poles, 91 victories, Senna won 65 poles, 41 victories. Who's better? And Schumi won in Monaco for 5 times. I know Senna won the most if it's the end of the argmnt.
And there are some documentaries (even MB acknowledges that) about MSC's UNIQUE driving style and setup, with which NO ONE ELSE can race. Senna was amazing, claiming otherwise would be idiotic, but all in all, Schumi has been and will be the greatest racing driver ever! Not the Ralf one. :) Speaking of sheer skills, in your terms. Could Senna win a race on a 75,km.-long track, soaking wet, with slick tires on, with beginning the 16th in the grid? No one else could but Schumi!
Instead of answering to my former questions, you have became to be impolite all of a sudden, which does not make you win an argument, specifically in this case. You may like Senna more, or find him more charismatic, but this will not change the facts.
& Senna always raced in the BEST team. When Schumi moved to the Scuderia, they hadn't won a title since 1982, Jodi Schekter. They were not even able to win a race until Schumi's amazing 1996 Spanish GP win with that beyond-shitty car in the rain. Schumi broke his leg & made his team WC 98 days after it. Schumi is the one and only.
@AceKarterReloaded .... and the most skilled. Martin Brundle said Senna had a sixth sense as to wear the grip would through corners . He could do things with his car that no other driver could do . His hand eye co-ordination was said to be incredible.
@ilksen2010 Now you're just being silly !! . The fact that you have to keep typing post after post is all looking pretty desperate . I saw Senna and Schumacher race in their prime. I suggest you do some more research. look around these sights, clue up. I can take every point you make but i really can't be arsed. You make alot or assertions and believe them to be true so i'll ret you carry in. You won't find many who agree with you ., Senna forever ! . Was and still is THE MAN .
OK Mr. Gentleman, u keep repeating yourself, instead of talking about more specific points, which constitute overall opinions. U still haven't answered my questions. Did u see Senna & Schumacher in their prime, in 1994? Schumi won every race, period. Besides, in Schumacher's real prime, Senna was not alive unfortunately. & despite his 65 poles, Senna had only 19 fastest laps. Do u know how many Schumacher did? & if poles are the criteria, then you'll call Vettel the greatest in 5 years maybe?!
Its boring talk to some one that can,t compare the F1 eras. I got the privilege of watched F1 in 80's 90's 00's.F1 Became more and more slow the great drivers stop racing (Prost, Senna), Schumacher cheating alone in that poor era. But i ll teach you who was the driver that got balls as big as jupiter /watch?v=3e6D7kreY04&feature=related
Schumacher is a dirty racer even now the fucking prick gets away with everythink blocking an every other dirty trick under the sun an when other drivers do the same they get shafted all the time it maybe schumacher sucks cock i don't know but SENNA is in a different class all toether he new the limits of his car.
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This was a real race. With real pilots. That movie "Senna" is not just about the incredible Ayrton Senna. It also depict the exact moment when F1 cease to be a sport, and change to became a tecnological competition.
Senna was the last great pilot of a age where pilots has to be pushed beyond the limit, to the extreme, not only in the track but outside also. Now, we just have a bunch of stupid guys trying to look cool piloting robots. F1 nowadays is too many buttons and no guts.
rikigl 5 days ago
F1 cars of today are smoother. Senna was able to put a car that was struggling on pole position.
lgic1 1 week ago
so many Sega logos lol
CherryBlossomRed08 2 weeks ago
We went to this race it was such a miserable day got soaked!! Was worth it though to see a GP at Donnington, you never really hear it on videos but the crowd were cheering Senna when he passed Prost up till then I'd never heard British fans cheer senna at a race
edd55r 2 weeks ago
@theonlylolking
Oh? You mean vettel with that cheat assisting DRS, and over 20 years of more advanced F1 technology... Oh ok!!! STFU only a noob would say something like that, apparently you don't know who Senna was, or what he was capable of...
ridge147 2 weeks ago
@ridge147
Hehe, it´s like saying: Senna was better than Fangio because he drove faster laptimes...
But I have the impression that modern F1 cars are a bit more difficult to drive through the rain than the old ones of the 80s and 90s. The high reving engines and the dependance on aerodynamical grip should make it more difficult to drive a modern car on a wet track.
Sokra01 2 weeks ago
@Sokra01 the 90's had about 1200hp the cars today have about 800 and are more aerodynamic and have more things to keep the car in the rain better. so back then it was harder to keep them under control
TheAmpenergy242 1 week ago
He is not the greatest because Vettel has faster times.
theonlylolking 2 weeks ago
some people said that it's because of the hidden traction control too. But don't know if its true.
abuabdillahaljawi 3 weeks ago
@abuabdillahaljawi are just liars, ironically the only ones who had traction control was benetton and willians
zorkytotal 3 weeks ago
@zorkytotal Can't you read my post, i said : "someone said", so it's not me who made the opinion, i just reported someone saying. Get it? Because i also like Senna.
Peace..
abuabdillahaljawi 3 weeks ago
@abuabdillahaljawi watch this : /watch?v=yK0dAA-UFxg
the pilots that raced against Senna talking about this race at donington 93....starts in 3:05
zorkytotal 3 weeks ago
@zorkytotal Thanks, i've watched it. Super Senna indeed.
abuabdillahaljawi 3 weeks ago
He's a pro when it rains.
ricky549880 3 weeks ago
How is it possible he didn't go off at 0:24-0:28? :O
R1S9S9R1 3 weeks ago
@R1S9S9R1 Yes incredible!!
ianzanshin 3 weeks ago
How the fuck?
ScottishTyrant 3 weeks ago
THIS CLIP SUMS UP SENNA PERFECTLY
WHY THE HELL WAS IT NOT INCLUDED IN THE MOVIE
MrStonecold69 3 weeks ago
It's incredible how he can drive so near the limit of the tires in the wet and hold traction. This lap surely shows how brilliant and sharp Senna is as a racing driver!!! There will never be another like him.
FdSnakeEater 4 weeks ago
Senna was so fast in his overtaking that Murray and Hunt struggled commenting. when Murray says Senna was attacking Wendlinger he has already passed him...and so did Hunt with the manouver on Hill.
sargatanas88 4 weeks ago
Im so sad that missed the Senna-Prost era of F1, cause I was too young back then, didnt start to truly follow F1 until 1998...I wish I could watch whole races from that era instead of just these clips :P....and those F1 cars look so much better than 2012 Ferrari, Force India and Caterham....have you seen how UGLY those cars are? -__-
Balnazzardi 1 month ago
@zorkytotal Exactly. And I emphasize mainly rivals and for not having his teammate not to attack and having to hand positions (Useless Barrichello). The teammate Senna Prost was the (three-time champion once again champion in cheating). And still had Mansel, Piquet (Senna hated), and others ...
medonhoblu 1 month ago
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medonhoblu 1 month ago
rain master
n11lc2 1 month ago
Il re della pioggia!
waltermalvaldi 1 month ago
I always facepalm when I see a close-minded Senna fan bash Schumacher. Open your eyes, dummies. Schumacher took F1 to the next level. Stop living in the past. That's about as worse as a Christian not acknowledging that the Earth rotates around the Sun. And note how my comment does not bash Senna at all. Perhaps that is something you should think about twice.
Killfist 1 month ago
@Killfist The person who took Formula 1 to the next level was Senna. His willingness to push the envelope , accept no compromise, fitness levels , his entire approach shaped F1 . Schumacher continued where senna left off . Don't get it twisted Senna was THE game-changer when it came to elite motor-racing . Was and still is the man .
thehitchrules 1 month ago 36
@thehitchrules "Schumacher continued where Senna left off", indeed so. He made it even better. You're allowed to have your own opinion, of course, but it's mainly about the fact here that so many Senna fans (or wannabe Senna fans) dismiss the fact that Schumacher is simply one hell of a driver. You do not see me say Senna is overrated or whatnot. Schumacher and Senna were rather similar to be fair.
Killfist 1 month ago
@Killfist Schumacher is an incredible driver . But it was Senna who changed formula 1. you really don't know much about formula 1 to say it was Schumacher . The person who changed the face of formula 1 was Senna and his influence was massive . Schumacher took 12 yeras to break senna's most poles record and never had a world champion in his team to compete against. Senna was the game-changer , for many, many reasons. just the way it is .
thehitchrules 1 month ago
@Killfist What we will never know is what would have happened if Schumacher had the best car AND the (second) best driver in his team. For sure, several seasons would have been less boring. Senna proved that he could beat any driver on an equal footing. Schumacher did not. My guess is that he would have missed a couple of world crowns, but would have lifted all doubts about is talent and made tens of Sundays afternoons much more interesting.
SuperJohnSB 1 month ago
@SuperJohnSB I appreciate your comment. But then again, did Schumacher ever get the chance to prove he could beat another driver on "equal footing"? By that I believe you mean equal cars though- you may correct me if I'm mistaken. I'm not here to state that Schumacher is better than Senna or whatever, because that would be complete rubbish. Skill-wise, I just believe Senna and Schumacher are on the same level. Reputation-wise? Obviously Senna. Reply fully appreciated, thank you.
Killfist 1 month ago
@Killfist MS / Ferrari's priorities were not to have 2 top drivers in the same team, but rather a #1 & a #2, which made sense from a tactical point of view. When Ferraris became (again) the best cars, MS was simply unbeatable cause his team-mate was not equal to the job. There were extremly gifted pilots on the market at the time, but none of them were proposed to drive a Ferrari exc. Raikkonen... when MS retired. MS's objective was to break all records while AS's was to beat all drivers.
SuperJohnSB 1 month ago
@SuperJohnSB Yeah, I agree. I do feel however now that Schumacher's time is over and he should bring it to an end again this next season. Raikkonen has always been fabulous in my opinion. Right now, my favourite driver has to be Alonso. He's matured a lot over the years and I would rank him as the most consistent driver right now. Button has also been great lately. It's just a bit hard to judge Vettel because he's got the best machine. There's no doubting his talents though. Can't wait for Kimi.
Killfist 1 month ago
@thehitchrules Parts of it are right, but the driver that started all of this you mentioned was Niki Lauda. I dont know anything about Senna's fitness levels, but he pushed the envelope for sure. (And Adrian Newey ;-D)
Schrecklassnach38 3 weeks ago
@Schrecklassnach38 No, not parts. ALL of what I say is right . Senna was incredibly fit, he realised the demands of driving an F1 car when he drove for Toleman and was well known for all the things I stated it . Lauda was an exceptional driver but Senna was THE game changer.
thehitchrules 3 weeks ago
@thehitchrules I didnt doubt that you're right, I only said the one that started it with fitness and that during the weekend only the car matters (sorry for my bad english, dont know how to say it xD) was Niki Lauda. Senna was a great driver and he was progressive, but he wasnt the first one.
Schrecklassnach38 3 weeks ago
I always laugh when 'he's going inside Damon Hill'. I've seen this video countless times, laughed every time.
seismica 1 month ago
HE raped Schumacher, Prost, Hill all at once.
daboom2006 1 month ago
that's the sort of thing that only happens on video games nowadays... wow...
jcnbw01 1 month ago
want donington back in formel 1
tarecck 1 month ago
AS was brilliant in the wet - freak talent.
midcitygym 1 month ago
that's why he was, he is and he will be the best. not because of high figures and good statistics.
stefann1989v2 1 month ago
I'm 100% sure that the commentators at the time didn't realise they were commenting the most spetacular F1 lap EVER.
ChuteNoris 1 month ago
Thank you YOUTUBE for providing
such great facilities to be able to
watch video clips like this one.
> WOW, what great memories . . . .
oVe
lebavo 1 month ago
schumi > senna
aesutton 1 month ago
wow how did he manage to have grip through the corner @2:26 and still have the speed to pass off the racing line, crazy.
hochild 1 month ago
the rain master
shrapnelV 2 months ago
If we are talking sheer speed there is no question Senna was in a league of his own. Take away the car performance difference and he'd be fastest almost all the time.
Sibelius19 2 months ago 3
Yes, one of the greatest lap ever. And after seeing this, I dare anyone to compare Senna to Schumacher.
lazerpod66 2 months ago
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Schumacher is the most overrated driver of all time! He had always the best car than other drivers (and in 1994 his car was totally illegal), just like Vettel nowadays. So stop comparing Schumacher with Senna... the brazilian was ten hundred times better than the german! That's a fact that every F1 expert can not deny. And this video is a glaring proof about the fact Senna has been and will ever be the greatest driver of ALL TIME!
reventonfloyd 2 months ago
MS, Prost, Hill 12 championships ...one lap hehehe dished it out, Senna is truly driver of all times
krayziegus 2 months ago
Why wasnt this in the Senna film??????
TheEngland72 2 months ago
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You can't say Kobe is better than Jordan ,you can't say Nadal is better than Federer ,you can't say Schumacher or Prost better than Senna
Senna Jordan Federer = trio fantastico
legionify 2 months ago
hehhe schumi who? you lost the old time greats and saw the worst F1 era, wining races in boxes with team orders and second drive to back up....schumi bring many sponsors to ferrari so Jean Todt said "you are safe here they cant take you" . 94 season senna show who was the boss, always the faster but the car broke and damon hill crashed him....should be easily his 4 champioship we saw the technique difference
shrapnelV 2 months ago
I he only could do a F1 lap @ the topgear track :)
terrakeun 2 months ago
and your comment Mcsqueegy is full of shit that driving takes skill that no other driver in the world possesses. He was the best driver there will ever be and I will take no arguments on that.
mrmontecarloful 2 months ago
His car was full of driving aids that some of those other frontrunners had none of... hardly a surprise.
Mcsqueegy 2 months ago
RIP. Best f1 driver ever...
Rlopes69 2 months ago
I get the feeling after Senna got shoved to the outside by Schumacher, Senna said "Fuck this shit!" passed his way up to 1st and put his stamp of authority on the race. . .
BlueFox284 2 months ago
Senna - a god among men. RIP
mattiothegreat 2 months ago
F1 back when drivers were "racers"...
mattjames1973 2 months ago
I was there at the Craner Curves and was lucky enough to be at the part of the circuit where Senna stopped to pick up the Brazilian flag at the end.
Incredible memories. I
I'm going to Sao Paulo in March (I have family in Rio de Janeiro so I go there alot) to visit Ayton's grave. Always a lovely moment for me. Would much prefer he were still around though :(
tonypap1 2 months ago 21
@tonypap1 So was my brother!! That was his flag!
tati79 1 month ago
@tati79
Fantastic. You guys must've been standing really close to where I was.
What a day :)
tonypap1 1 month ago
@BrittCohen96
Nevermind, they were pretty much replaced by the Hakkinen and Schumacher battles. That's what got me into F1, was only born in 1993.
55DJL 2 months ago
I remember watching this race, will never forget it. Ayrton Senna genius.
doctor46ism 3 months ago
I wish I had been alive to witness this!! Unfortunately I was born in 1996 so i completely missed the Senna vs Prost era. Even though I never saw Senna race, he is still a huge inspiration to me and my kart racing and even if i had a fifth of the talent he had, I would be one of the happiest people alive! R.I.P. Senna!!
BrittCohen96 3 months ago
wow and only a mile fromm my house.
carlstss 3 months ago
When i look at this video, i just think: Who the fcuk is Schumacher? (Sorry Michael)
marcopdtdi 3 months ago 17
@marcopdtdi really?? Well schumi was passing Senna left right and centre early in his career. As for this video it proves nothing the mclaren had electronic traction control and that's why he was passing them so was his team mate. it was banned later on, this race has given too much undeserved credit to Senna never the less he is a master in wet races. So please everyone criticize in a mature manner and base it on facts.
zabraoota1 1 month ago
@zabraoota1 wtf, that piece of shit that you typed there, been eating dog poop? Traction control only 93 with Willians and eletronic suspention active. Senna hit over all because he chose to race with sleeks
shrapnelV 1 month ago
@shrapnelV Yes i was eating dog poop and coincidentally i found a shrapnel isn't this fucked up, how ironic.
zabraoota1 1 month ago
@shrapnelV
Senna was a master drive no doubt, but please dont throw insults to hide your blind beliefs.
Mclaren was the best handling, most nimble car of 1993, the one to have in wet conditions.
Everything besides the engine was top notch, in some areas better than williams.
launger 1 month ago
@launger
That's right. It lacked power though compared to the Williams but was driven by the best pilot around...
chouzouris 1 month ago
@launger no no come up with this lies on me, i know exactly how the history was written, had the privilege of accopanying F1 80's and 90's. Willians cars awalys been much more advantage and technical, but Mclaren had honda engines. Honda left F1 in 91 and remained to mclaren ford second line engine 3.5 v8 cosworth, because benetton had priority in contract since 91 with ford to use first line ford HBA 3.5 v8
shrapnelV 1 month ago
@shrapnelV i remember that when honda left F1 in 91, Mclaren became a inferior car that dueled with Sauber at the same level, but was far by a long shot of Willians Benetton and Ferrari. The victories of Senna came on account his geniality and special situation like rain...fuck statistics people have eyes. And damn F1 policy the combo Balestre-Prost stole Senna many times, if he had an easy life as shumi should have more titles
krayziegus 1 month ago 13
@krayziegus Honda left F1 in 1992.
NOXXism 1 month ago
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shrapnelV 1 month ago
@launger if you doubt the quality of Senna in the rain, look what he did in his F1 debut driving a white Toleman
/watch?v=1hUWuR2Dj78
shrapnelV 1 month ago
@zabraoota1 only the two willians had the eletronic traction and this is why Senna lost the championship, Senna was the best pilot ever.
In 94 when Senna started to drive for willians the eletronic traction was banned just before the championship starts and willians dont had time to fix the balance of the car.
in 89 when Prost hits Ayrtons car, he come back to race and won the race, but the stewards blamed Senna, and when in 90 when Senna hits Prost they did nothing.
Juscelinodaf 1 month ago
@Juscelinodaf the mclaren had tc. get your facts straight before talking. annoying fanboys
Hmkls 1 month ago
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krayziegus 1 month ago
@Juscelinodaf eletronic traction control came in 1992 with willians and benetton, but 2senna had his own traction control many years before, his right foot technique
/watch?v=8By2AEsGAhU&feature=related
krayziegus 1 month ago
@marcopdtdi thats what everybody says now
MrGvella 1 month ago
@marcopdtdi u are fucking wrong
Tayvk 1 month ago
@marcopdtdi lol,he's that little green and yellow car half way down the group.
FlyingBoxHead 1 month ago
Wow. This man can drive on any part of the track when he wants to make his move. He beat the much more technically superior Williams with active suspension and electronics and what not in a much inferior Mclaren with pure driving skill in one lap!
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srinitaaigaura 3 months ago
Probably the best race lap ever, by probably the best race driver ever!
SylvieMelody 3 months ago
fuck off pistonheads tossers.
plasticspastic201 3 months ago
amazing driving wow seriously wow
bainblog 3 months ago
that is in short 50 seconds of Senna ultimateness!!!!
niks7777 3 months ago
SONIIIIIIC!!! ^_^ Speedy little hedgehog...but nuthin on SENNA lllollol!!
gT3iD 3 months ago
Senna....legend!!
saj6475 3 months ago
There is the good, there is the great and then there is Senna. Was and still is THE MAN .
thehitchrules 3 months ago
senna only need half a turn to stay in first !!!!!
Oric007 3 months ago
ONLY SENNA!
Oric007 3 months ago 2
another big smile in my face, crybaby whatever you call me , i really dont care, not sensitive, what i saw here is that Senna's shadow got also MS funs. Schumacher always try to keep away of Senna's shadow
shrapnelV 3 months ago
I thought you cold only do this in a game...? O.o
MadLinkzProductionz 4 months ago
God Wanted us to see how to drive a Formula 1 then he Created Senna
unknowntrues 4 months ago 32
Off the start, i always notice Karl Wendlinger in that black Sauber...now there was potential that went cruelly unfulfilled.
azapro911 4 months ago
wow. dude is going from wet to dry and back again, sometimes in one corner, and u see him getting squirly yet no over-correction or throttle lifting. on the on-board with Nigel, u can see him let off as soon as his hips wiggle, and Ayrton just gets smaller and smaller lol. Im gonna go out on a limb here and say god gave this guy way too many tools to be the best, and to keep his reign as being all knowing and perfect, called him home before we could catch wind of his mistake.
turbomoonie 4 months ago
Senna and Schumacher are both the best you cant seperate them
ayrtonsenna2798 4 months ago
The best driver of all time is debateable, but best commentator can only be Murray Walker.
TheWoodgerC 4 months ago 25
@TheWoodgerC no doubt on commentator, but, when it comes to drivers it really isnt as debateable as one may think. the drivers anyone will through into that ring such as nigel mansell, guilles villeneuve (spelling) piquet etc etc will give u 1 name if u were to ask them who they think is the best. Senna.
turbomoonie 4 months ago
@turbomoonie Fair point, and in my opinion Senna is certainly top, but all F1 drivers are great. Each season of the Grand Prix is the 20-30ish best drivers in the world at the time. People who say that anyone of them is bad has no idea.
TheWoodgerC 4 months ago in playlist Liked
@TheWoodgerC I definitely agree with u there. i mean, not too many ppl have the mental fortitude to do what these men do. its unfathomable the physical torture they put themselves through for hours at a time. they are definitely one of the best atheletes on the planet in any sport, and to think one mistake (a loose nut, loose body panel, tire falls off) and the driver is quite possibly dead or seriously injured. really is an amazing sport. And to be called the best of best is truly remarkable
turbomoonie 4 months ago
@TheWoodgerC Hahaha...& for Murray, Schumi is the best!
ilksen2010 4 months ago
@TheWoodgerC How is it debatable? Schumacher is the most successful f1 driver in history but even he admits that Senna was/is the greatest ever f1 driver. What he was able to achieve in lackluster cars was astonishing...
You probably forgot that year at Monaco where he kept driving faster and faster each lap until he was over 2 seconds faster than anyone else... He knew no fear. We all know he would have achieved much more had he not died at only age 34, not that he didn't anyway.
AnDiRulz91 4 months ago 2
@TheWoodgerC - LOL - debatable??? (correct spelling, English) Who was best driver then? Ask anyone who drives professionally, in any discipline - Senna always comes up at least 8 out of 10 times - no debates amigo.
mattiothegreat 2 months ago
@mattiothegreat I was just trying not to get into an argument by leaving wiggle room (that obviously didn't work). But more importantly thanks for reminding me how to spell 'debatable' (I am actually British) but I don't think the Americans spell it differently, it was just a shoddy spelling mistake.
TheWoodgerC 2 months ago
@mattiothegreat
Well Jim Clark and Fangio spring to mind. I think Fangio got 48/52 front row starts or some absurd ratio like that, he also has the highest win %. Clark won an insane Spa, starting eight and 17 laps in lapped the field bar one, although he was 5m ahead of him. Monza 67, led then got a puntured tyre, rejoined a lap down and would have won but ran out of fuel (came third, was leading). He also destroyed in Indy 500, led 190/200 laps, Also has most grand slams.
billybobjoeftw 2 months ago
@mattiothegreat
Not saying Senna isn't great, he's insane. Imo, those 3 are the possibly the best drivers the sport has ever had.
billybobjoeftw 2 months ago
@TheWoodgerC I think that Murray and Brundle are equal
SennaHamilton4ever 2 months ago
Commentators are so stunned they don't know what to make of it.
arena2101 4 months ago
you are talking about the benetton cheat era /watch?v=CJf6ZkSMWHY
/watch?v=Ad6l2yHTS0Y
senna 65 poles in 161 races
cheatmacher 68 poles in 269 races
zorkytotal 4 months ago
the drivers nowadays are nothing compared to the drivers of those days. Vettel wins due to his very fast car and a very good team. Senna still did amazing when he was in a bad car like in this instant. He was just a god among men. The world hasn't been the same since he died. R.I.P
dixiedixie447 4 months ago
some of the best drivers in the world and Senna passes them like he's the only one really racing.
henryduncan 4 months ago 6
@henryduncan I second that! nicely put. :)
ilksen2010 4 months ago
Bring back Donington!!!
lemans24fan 4 months ago
lol not even a lap past yet he claimed pole like nobody was in his way, insane
00unknownmember00 4 months ago
Whoever your favourite driver is, and however hard it is to compare different drivers from different eras, there can be NO debate that THIS lap is NOT the greatest lap in F1 history. Schuey, Mansell, and Prost (2 of the probably 4 all time greatest along with Fangio and Senna himself), ALL passed in less than 1 lap.
Maybe Senna was a flawed genius, but he was a genius nevertheless !!
HotChixAndMusic 4 months ago
@HotChixAndMusic He would have struggled to pass Mansell...........as Mansell was racing in Indy cars in 1993.
chrismarkbicknell 4 months ago
@HotChixAndMusic Like there can be NO doubt that "Schuey" is the greatest racing driver ever!
ilksen2010 4 months ago
i dont get how the announcers are so relaxed i'd be screamin, omfg whaaaaaaaat!!!!!
victomba 4 months ago
They guy was fantastic but like Schmacher played dirty and crashed into others.
mazdaman1980 5 months ago
Greatest f1 lap, ever!!! SENNA FOREVER!!!
bluemotard2 5 months ago
SIMPLY THE BEST, NOTHING ELSE TO SAY .
thehitchrules 5 months ago
only famous cause he died..
salakutaful 5 months ago
@salakutaful ...well lets kill you and see how famous you become when you're dead :)
You cock...
Nackavich 5 months ago 7
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Nackavich 5 months ago
@salakutaful
i don't know if your just trying to be funny or if your actually just a dickhead, but one thing's for sure, your being totally ignorant with that statement so why don't you just crawl back up your mothers vagina and sit there like a good little boy/girl/thing or yoke and suck your own thumb cause nobody's paying any attention to your whiny little comments on this video!!!
ff40mad 5 months ago
@ff40mad
truth hurts dosent it?
salakutaful 5 months ago
@salakutaful
Are you kidding?
I was watching F1 back then, when you were what... 5 years old? Senna was a legend. He was the most sought after driver by any team, the highest paid driver at the time, the most popular driver, you name it. You can find videos of Prost admitting how he was so frustrated because even in France they cheered for Senna. He couldnt have been more famous while he was alive.
Why on earth would you make such an ignorant comment?
alin1975 4 months ago 2
@salakutaful Damn, you have a mind of a 5 year old if that's what you think.
NoGoodJim 4 months ago
All I can say is WOW!
SlamDuncDrummer 5 months ago
Alain Prost was one of the greatest drivers ever............Maybe Senna and Fangio above him.This is what Prost said about Senna :-
"He established his own limits,when he reached those limits he wanted to beat them and establish new ones.I never new how far he could go,I had an understanding but i just didnt know ......."
23deniro23 5 months ago
If Senna ever got to c this vid he would say... "Hahahaha owned!"
CDUB8989 5 months ago
uhm senna? did you know it was raining?
coolL9457 5 months ago
Sega - everywhere, and Senna in the lead.
astra606 5 months ago
Well, he did have traction control. I prefer estoril 1985
NOXXism 5 months ago
@NOXXism hahaha you even know who is senna....willians and benetton was the only that got traction control that time
zorkytotal 5 months ago
Fyi, Senna, it's raining.
blackogen 5 months ago
"He established his own limits.When he reached those limits he wanted to beat them and establish new ones......I never new how far he could go,I had an understanding but i didn't know." Alain Prost Speaking About Ayrton Senna
23deniro23 6 months ago 3
200 years from now, if f1 still exists or if the world even exists for that matter, great motor racing fans will still look back upon this video as the most thrilling first lap of a race ever, courtesy of the greatest driver who ever lived - Ayrton Senna.
RIP the most focused, determined, and charismatic driver ever, we all miss you
AceKarterReloaded 6 months ago 24
@AceKarterReloaded Nice description & adjectives, but wrong name. You meant Michael Schumacher, the greatest racing driver ever!
ilksen2010 4 months ago
@ilksen2010 No . He meant Senna . Schumacher for stats , Senna for sheer skill and speed .
thehitchrules 4 months ago
@thehitchrules I can write for pages, but have you seen SPA 1995, for instance? Only Schumi could make it among the individuals who have lived, are living, and will be living. Period.
ilksen2010 4 months ago
And young Schumi beat AS in every race in 1994, despite Senna won every pole that year - until he died. Yeas, sheer skills in spoiling poles, with the fastest car. Another period. And you know how Senna won the 1988 title? Why does no one mention the name of Prost?
ilksen2010 4 months ago
Or Ascari?
ilksen2010 4 months ago
@ilksen2010 I too could write pages .Look , i have heard and read ALL the Schumacher versus Senna arguments. I think at the end of the day when you have the F1 fraternity, motor-sports journalists, multiple polls of the public placing Senna at number 1 all the F1 drivers and Schumacher himself saying Senna is the best ever then it is just that - Senna the fastest and most skllled driver . Schu superb , yes but Senna rules and always will.
thehitchrules 4 months ago 2
Thanks for your quick reply. But you still haven't answered my questions. Because of your attitude against stats, I won't even mention them. But when it comes to your message:
1) Could Schumi claim that he was the best? Then he would be "a cocky bastard" in public eye, as if he is not to some people;
2) I do not know who you are talking about but Eddie Jordan, Murray Walker, Ross Brawn, Niki Lauda et al. explicitly claim that MSC is the greatest ever. I can send you the links if you like?
ilksen2010 4 months ago
@ilksen2010 Statistically Schumacher is , that's obvious and nobody can dispute that . However, Senna still holds the record for most victories at Monaco , 6 in total . It took Schumacher TWELVE years to beat Senna's most poles record . If Senna had been in town Schu would not have won so many world titles and he himself acknowledges that. You have your stats but real F1 fans know the score. You Schumi fans are a minority, always have been , always will be .Just how it is .
thehitchrules 4 months ago
Schumi won every single race ahead of Senna, when he "was in town", in 1994, in town with the fastest Williams car. & how could Schumi break that pole record with his shitty Ferrari, which could not naturally win a title in 19 years? So the poles count more than race victories in your opinion? Btw, in any case, Schumi has won 68 poles, 91 victories, Senna won 65 poles, 41 victories. Who's better? And Schumi won in Monaco for 5 times. I know Senna won the most if it's the end of the argmnt.
ilksen2010 4 months ago
And there are some documentaries (even MB acknowledges that) about MSC's UNIQUE driving style and setup, with which NO ONE ELSE can race. Senna was amazing, claiming otherwise would be idiotic, but all in all, Schumi has been and will be the greatest racing driver ever! Not the Ralf one. :) Speaking of sheer skills, in your terms. Could Senna win a race on a 75,km.-long track, soaking wet, with slick tires on, with beginning the 16th in the grid? No one else could but Schumi!
ilksen2010 4 months ago
@ilksen2010 You are just showing your ignorance now . Do you actually KNOW anything about Senna and his career ? !
thehitchrules 4 months ago
By any chance, do you know anything about the argumentation etiquette Mr. "Ignorant"?
ilksen2010 4 months ago
Instead of answering to my former questions, you have became to be impolite all of a sudden, which does not make you win an argument, specifically in this case. You may like Senna more, or find him more charismatic, but this will not change the facts.
ilksen2010 4 months ago
& Senna always raced in the BEST team. When Schumi moved to the Scuderia, they hadn't won a title since 1982, Jodi Schekter. They were not even able to win a race until Schumi's amazing 1996 Spanish GP win with that beyond-shitty car in the rain. Schumi broke his leg & made his team WC 98 days after it. Schumi is the one and only.
ilksen2010 4 months ago
@AceKarterReloaded .... and the most skilled. Martin Brundle said Senna had a sixth sense as to wear the grip would through corners . He could do things with his car that no other driver could do . His hand eye co-ordination was said to be incredible.
thehitchrules 4 months ago
@thehitchrules The same Brundle says MSC could drive every corner of every race with a flat tire!
ilksen2010 4 months ago
@ilksen2010 Now you're just being silly !! . The fact that you have to keep typing post after post is all looking pretty desperate . I saw Senna and Schumacher race in their prime. I suggest you do some more research. look around these sights, clue up. I can take every point you make but i really can't be arsed. You make alot or assertions and believe them to be true so i'll ret you carry in. You won't find many who agree with you ., Senna forever ! . Was and still is THE MAN .
thehitchrules 4 months ago
OK Mr. Gentleman, u keep repeating yourself, instead of talking about more specific points, which constitute overall opinions. U still haven't answered my questions. Did u see Senna & Schumacher in their prime, in 1994? Schumi won every race, period. Besides, in Schumacher's real prime, Senna was not alive unfortunately. & despite his 65 poles, Senna had only 19 fastest laps. Do u know how many Schumacher did? & if poles are the criteria, then you'll call Vettel the greatest in 5 years maybe?!
ilksen2010 4 months ago
now no-one will ever do that again
zacho6661 6 months ago
Its boring talk to some one that can,t compare the F1 eras. I got the privilege of watched F1 in 80's 90's 00's.F1 Became more and more slow the great drivers stop racing (Prost, Senna), Schumacher cheating alone in that poor era. But i ll teach you who was the driver that got balls as big as jupiter /watch?v=3e6D7kreY04&feature=related
krayziegus 6 months ago
was the mclaren running on lamborghini engine already!? GREAT VIDEO!
SENNA 4 EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
joaca317 6 months ago
Prost was soooo lucky in that year. Senna and Hill were very unlucky.
Hill retiring on a last lap leading a race i dunno how many times and Senna,. maybe his best season but McLaren was what it was ...
WeLWets 6 months ago