@Smyshey they didn't allow women to own property. Because of that fact a lot of what women invention was claimed by men. We may never know how much stuff was created by women because of that.
@Smyshey This was reasearch done by men and women. They saw that women could have been the ones to make the tools first because it was observed in apes, monkey's or whatever that the women made the tools because they were the weaker sex. Does this mean that they indefinably did? No, but it means that men may have not created everything either. I believe women are just as intelligent as men, and vice verse. The only reason that males seem to think they created everything is because they didn't
The answer isn't that both groups' existences are justified by the need to balance the other, the answer is that the members of each group are all a bunch of hypocrites and NEITHER group's existence is justified. You also don't need the black panthers to balance out the KKK, let's just all ignore them both. Except for their comic relief value. You know, when you're feeling down, and you just want to feel superior to a whole group of people you can point at and laugh at, THERE THEY ARE!
I recommend girlwriteswhat's videos, and christy0misty, too. Those are GREAT women for speaking about all of this. Too many of the women (AND the men) here are asking questions that they really don't want answered, since the are arguing from [irrational/hateful] conclusions. I keep noticing that they try to move the argument a CAREFUL millimeter off from what they know you're actually talking about, to distract/derail/drain you.
@MyOttoLink I would be TERRIBLY remiss, however, in failing to say how GREAT a job this guy did with this video. I'm SO glad you said what you've said here--although only a few women will value it (they ARE out there; I've seen a few commenting). Thanks a lot for this.
@theplentysense As a brother of a Deputy Warden, I know that your statistics may be of rare stories, but not statistics of rare actual cases. look at the marriage/divorce/alimony laws, and it's obvious that the rights are unequal--in favor of WOMEN. It's about to change, though. It already is. Men are getting fed up, and are going into action!
@theplentysense "Your enemy is and always has been other men, not women." I suppose you would quickly admit "women aren't perfect"; then, say that some of the things that women do are WRONG. How then, could you prove that women have not made themselves ENEMIES, if they DO do things that are WRONG? Wow.........
@theplentysense But about 77% of all murder victims (US) are male, wome are also more likely to kill someone they know. Got any sources on that the even distribution of domestic abuse is a myth?
From the Swedish department of justice, 55% of domestic abusers are women, I find it hard to imagine rates would differ so much between two western countries, we are very much the same after all.
The problematic thing as I see it is that violance towards men is accepted in society.
(pt. 8) I think instead of two movements- feminist and the MRM- we should have one... the pro-human movement. A movement that addresses the concerns of both men and women without one gender chopping at the other's throat. WHO'S IN?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
(pt. 7) I believe the cause of this awful and silent epidemic is that men are forced to repress their emotions more then women. think of the expressions "man up" "grow a pair of balls" " a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do"- these are all codes for "repress your feelings" and I think men are susceptible to a dangerous psyche because of the social stigma and possibly the genetic conditioning achieved from the stresses of being provider and protector- kill with the risk of being killed.
(pt. 6) One stat I would like to share is that around the world the male suicide rate is significantly higher then the female suicide rate. Interestingly more women attempt suicide then men but more men are successful because more men mean to kill themselves. in a majority cases involving female suicide it's more of a desperate cry for help by swallowing a handful of pills with the door wide open. Most male suicides are completed via violent means- men tend to use guns with the door shut.
(pt. 5) A woman is a human being. That's actually the smartest quote from the women's 2nd lib movement I can think of. There are societies in the world that treat women poorly because they are women and that should be condemned not because a woman is a woman but because a woman is a human being. I don't know about any of the statistics you guys are throwing out but I do know that both men and women are subjected to rape, domestic violence, depression and disease.
(pt. 4) ... and they were forced to do these jobs just because they were men! To make a long story short and I could go on and on about this- the second women's liberation movement of the 1960s in America had a slogan that's actually quite stupid given human nature- that slogan? I am not a sex object. In truth we are all sex objects (how do you think we hot here?) and since we live in an ever changing society we are all success objects too-men and women. One slogan of the feminist movement is...
(pt. 3) other developed similar characteristics- a sense of property and marriage while condemning promiscuous sex and exalting the violence thought necessary for protection. this is where feminists can chime in and say it sucked to be a woman back then but was it really that much better for men? Think of it this way and I'm quoting Dr. Warren Farrell on this while women were looked as sex objects men were perceived as success objects forced to use their bodies for intense labor and warfare...
(pt. 3) other developed similar characteristics- a sense of property and marriage while condemning promiscuous sex and exalting the violence thought necessary for protection. this is where feminists can chime in and say it sucked to be a woman back then but was it really that much better for men? Think of it this way and I'm quoting Dr. Warren Farrell on this while women were looked as sex objects men were perceived as success objects forced to use their bodies for intense labor and warfare...
(pt. 2) take that biology and mind the harsh environment our ancestors had to endure and it's easy to see how the man became provider and protector and how the woman became the source of nurture. Some feminists blame men for all that's wrong in the world because men served that role but in truth they had to do what they did in order for both genders to survive- kill and be killed. Enter agriculture and religion and the roles become more complicated. Societies no matter how distant from each...
I feel like you can wrap up the history/status of the genders in the following comparison... Men were liberated but disposable while women were ironically oppressed and protected at the same time. We shouldn't necessarily look at our past and think that it was a walk in the park for men just because our society was patriarchal rather it's better to say each gender served a specific role. This stems from the facts of basic, time tested biology that women get pregnant and men- physically strong
I hate chivalry (which more often than not comes with a set of silent imposition that imbues stereotypical gender roles into children), and I wish the end of any systemic chivalry as well, which is of course a dying thing.
And as much as I think that feminist are being unobjective, I still think that women still have alot to deal with when it comes to "manspace".
There are various factors ranging from women's own complacency and laziness, as well as implicit discrimination....
ABCDE6294 1 in 3 women will be subject to spousal abuse, sexual assault, stalking, or some combination of those three in her lifetime. oh and feminism is about equality fyi.
@ABCDE6294 Also 6% of domestic violence cases are men abusing women. 50% is what you stated, and the other 44% is both abusing. And yet it is widely accepted that Women need special protection against "dangerous" men.
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i am a victim of discrimintation of women since i was a child.
i have found that the vast majority of women are sexist (not just femminists)
i have found that the majority women seem to have extreamly sexist views, and men do not. (more often then not)
Im sick of women trying to push there responsilbilys onto men, pay for your own dinners. take full responbilitys or give up your rights. pick one, now.
@fireblazzerx start doing your own pots and washing up then. I joke, Yeah sexism towards men and women is largely ignored which is why feminism and masculinism is important... I am proud to admit i am a feminist and a pro masculinist If people don't understand feminism and are ignorant to those who try to get equality for BOTH sexes then thats there problem.
Logical, calm and well articulated grievances are not going to prevail against the screeching cries of gender bias by feminists who will take advantage of their traditional techniques of persuasion as women to achieve their untraditional objectives. Eventually, our arguments must be first rooted solidly in logic, but more importantly, they must be delivered en masse, with passion and even righteous anger if we are to be effective. Thanks for helping to logically frame the argument.
BACKLASH Third stage genuine feminism embraces a woman's SONS. The right of the boy to be breast-fed and to receive nuturance and care for all of his talents and a well rounded slate of opportunities. In sport or any interests he expresses while having been exposed to a course of complete wholistic education. Embracing his selections with encouragement and participation in society is a part of the feminine agenda for women also mothers. When you get breasts and a womb talk to me about it.
Feminism was/is nessicary evil but it has run its course and gone a bit to far. We need to back up a bit and re-think our assumptions, laws, policies and social attitudes.
Men do need more advocacy, the problem is that enough men are doing well enough or haven't suffered first-hand from feminism yet or realized there impending doom.
When mens issues hit a critical mass the mens movement will already be in place and hopefully have built a strong position.
@justvisiting1979 You're right except that feminism has gone not just a little too far. Your statement regarding a critical mass is dead on. Women will realize that one reason they are being victimnized by men is because there is an undercurrent of resentment among men along with a feeling of powerlessness in this society dominated by women's values. Men are angry. Women are often lauded for example for thier role in raising a child but men are not. It is not fair and needs to change!
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Read the book entitled, "The War on Boys". In it the author argues persuasively that being a boy is now regarded as a pathology that needs to be cured. I feel sorry for boys. Their gender is blamed for most of the evils of the world. It is no surprise then that in 1997, a typical year anymore that of the 4400 suicides between the ages of 5 and 24, around 3700 were male. How many men are getting pissed at the overwhelming power of women today over men in nearly every arena!
@dnsmithnc Abuse of men is not what women want. Many of the offenders are other men. The ideal is democratic family rule. In patriarchal society with the use of slavery dominant the issue of refusal to accept the need for the expression of masculinity +femininity and the range of human expression in both sexes is a travesty of justice to humanity. Some women can't tell when they are pregnant. Some are convinced that abortion won't bring psychological trauma. BACKLASH attacks humanity.
@AnneFox7 Well Anne, I am not sure if abuse of men is not what many women want. People have a tendency to give a face to their unhappiness. If one is feeling badly, fearful of their own mortality, angry, or disatisfied for any reason, people will find someone to blame whether they deserve it or not. That someone is usually a man, especially among women, whether a man or men in general deserve it or not. Men are saddled with way too much responsibility when it come to women's happiness.
@dnsmithnc The issue of saddling with responsibility for women's happiness comes with the fact of having women dependent on men for long periods in a partnership. While she is providing the family with emotional support she wants a quid pro quo. It is concern with her happiness too. This is not about gender it is about human rights. Often there is a matter of no men's Vs women's rights but one of human rights and a continuum of situational expression for self actualization.
the men's rights movement exists as a backlash against the feminist movement. Power is not relinquished by asking nicely. Feminism is strong, powerful, and just and men are making their last stand to keep their control via patriarchy. Anything I have ever heard regarding men's movements are ridiculously trivial. i.e. not getting custody. Many men don't want to take care of their children monetarily, practically, or emotionally. Those that do just need to prove it in court .
@grizzlyfiendish I can't take feminism seriously, There was this talk show and they decided to talk about this man that got his penis cut of for asking for a divorce. Now did you get that? He didn't do anything wrong, all he did was ask for a divorce. When they started talking about this subject they started joking and laughing and so did the crowd that this man that was asking for a divorce got his penis cut off but if it was in vice versa then females would have a bitch fit, feminism is a joke
@Smyshey Maybe people don't laugh when women are brutalized because it is a common occurrence (1 out of 4 women are raped in their lifetime.) Women can't go out alone at night. Why ? Not because they fear women attacking them. Why are men who are busy insulting feminists not fighting to make the streets and the world safe for women. Why is it okay that women aren't free. And this is just one part of what women have to endure in a sexist culture. I could make a huge list.
I'll tell you why, it's because people like you are saying "we should make the streets safe for WOMEN" completely forgetting that crime should be stopped all together. Women aren't free? Another statement that makes it hard to take feminism seriously. You can make a huge list just like I can make a huge list going the opposite way, care to exchange lists? Ofcoure you will dissagree with all of them because women are just the poor souls that have nothing going for them, right?
@Smyshey Can you name some crimes that women commit predominately against men which are similar in scope as rape, molestation, abuse, and murder ? Using the argument that some women kill men is not valid because they don't as a gender single out men to do these things to. So, when men want to complain about how the marriage and custody laws are hurting men, maybe they should have thought about that when they invented such an oppressive institution as marriage (ownership of women and children)
@grizzlyfiendish So all men, as a gender, single out women to rape, murder & molest? The world you live in must be scary. Also, marriage has been supported by many matriarchal societies throughout history. In fact I can't name a society that doesn't. I feel its also necessary to point out that custody cases automatically favoring women have proven faulty. This is not to say the man should always get a child, but it should definitely be looked at as to who is the better parent.
I can name crimes, all of the ones you just listed. You base a whole gender on the bad apples which is why most men don't take feminism seriously. The majority of females today walk around in revealing clothes that a hooker would wear but do we brand the whole female gender as hookers? No.
Females have the choice to abortion where as men don't get a choice, if women want the baby and the man doesn't because he's not ready then the man has to pay child support etc......
@Smyshey Let's hypothetically say pitbulls are responsible for 90 % of attacks on babies. Doesn't it make sense that we should work on training pitbulls to be less vicious. If we then held our babies closer when we saw a pitbull coming (even though it is a "nice" pitbull) would we be wrong ? No, we shouldn't have to accommodate the pitbulls until they have shown that they are no longer exhibiting any range of violent behaviors. You can love a pitbull, but you are taking a bit of a risk.
What a bad excuse you just made, there is a difference between pitbulls (or any animal) and humans. I have seen far more slutty looking women than respective looking ones so should I go up and ask for sex just because the majority of the ones I have seen would accept? Should men hide their daughter away from their mother because the majority of the females the father has seen are slut-like females and he doesn't want the mother to be a bad example?
@Smyshey I wouldn't dare insult pitbulls. I made what is called an analogy. A very accurate one. What do scantily clad women have to do with violence or misogyny ? Some men single out women as the recipient of their dominant and violent behavior. So how do we protect women ? We do so by teaching or training men to be more respectful. Why would anyone be against this ? Either you are in denial of the facts which serve men or you like it that way which serves men.
.... If the female wants to have the child but the man does then he doesn't get any say on the abortion. women get double standards all the time, women get off of murder charges just by saying things like "he beat me". Females go on to a talk show and laugh about a female chopping off a mans penis because he wanted a divorce where as if it was the oppodite and it was a men laughing on tv about how a woman got her parts cut off then those people would be flamed on.
@Smyshey If you meant to say that the male doesn't want a child, then yeah, he can't force her to have an abortion. He can use a condom. If he wants a child and she doesn't, too bad. It is her body and it is not viable without her. Her choice. Men can't seem to handle not having this control. I thought I addressed the penis cut off issue when I said that women are abused, raped and killed just by virtue of being women on an hourly basis. Slicing off a penis is beyond a rare occurrence.
Now that you said exactly what I wanted you to say about abortion, I will say what I have to say. Females are alowed an abortion anytime and that's true but if they are alowed to easily get rid of the responsibility of a child then so should men, if the child has been born then the male has a choice to either be the father or not be the father and have nothing to do with the child, that way it is fair because women AND men get the choice to be a parent and not just women.
@Smyshey Millions of men avoid financial responsibility. I happen to believe that men don't need to play any part in parenting. I think we should subsidize women for giving birth to and raising children (supposedly our most prized resources) like many European countries do. Instead we put the nuclear family above everything which is a bastion of abusive, sexist dysfunction. It is only because men want to have control of women and children, that they don't allow for alternative paradigms.
They avoid financial responsibility? How so? I will happily prove you wrong. You believe that females can raise children by themselfes? Are you aware that Hitler was raised by a single mother? Grat parenting she must of done, right? It's because men want power over women? You do realize that it was men that gave women their rights? Pay attentionto history class otherwise you make stupid points (like you are now).
Now, if you don't give me that list of accomplishments that have helped humanity then this conversation is over because I have made that one point and you still cannot take part in it. You knopw for a fact that if you name the ammount of things females have made and then I name the ammount of things men have made then the things that the men have made will outnumber the things the females have made for the "needs" of humanity.
Make the list or this conversation is over because I can't be bothered having a discussion with someone that tries to avoid main points simply because they know the outcome wont go in their favour, which shows you are a woman not looiking for equality but looking for undeservingly superior.
So you are condoning what happened to the man whenhe was innocent? Welldone, another fine example why people don't take feminism seriously.
Are you forgetting something? Oh let me remind you, the list. I see that you have ignored my point of making a list because you most likely know of the outcome and how inferior your gender "as a whole" would seem.
Give me a list of what females have made that humanity needs and I'll give you a list of what males have made.
@Smyshey Yeah. That list may not be true. you keep saying that, but you are forgetting basic history. And its theory that men created everything. Just like it is theory women created things. In truth there is scientific evidence that could prove women made the first tools. Why? Women on average are the weaker sex. Who would need tools? The weaker sex would need tools. Sooo. I can't give you a list of stuff women made because a lot of stuff women have made is lost with time due to male arrogance.
Your logic is poor. Tools are not just force multipliers, but also a means to do tasks more efficiently and tasks unable to be completed by human hands alone.
@Ragitsu I didn't get that. I was referring to how you keep saying that women haven't invented anything compared to men. Well they did, but the information is lost in time due to men's arrogance. Not only that women according to a new study may have invented the first tools. So you logic is poor by saying that men invented many things compared to women. No one is sure if it is true because men may have hid what women have invented.
Uh, that was the first post i've typed in response to one of your comments. What do you mean by "how you keep saying that women haven't invented anything compared to me"?
@Ragitsu Ugh. Haha. Typo, and I think that I have misunderstood what you were saying to that other user. I don't think you meant inventions, but still. Whether it be an invention, leadership position, or whatever else women can do to help human kind women have been denied. Women haven't had the chance until now to make a real difference. That is why queen Elizabeth the second I think refused to marry. She knew she could do great for her country, but if a man was in the pic she wouldn't be able.
@ookami292 I think you mean elizabeth the first.. her decision to be seen as the 'the virgin' queen was purely political and was as an antithesis of the virgin mary...dont believe everything you see on TV and read some of the accounts of civil unrest in England at the time... If you wish to get into revisionist history change your lense
@God4Dunoon Actually it was my history book. My school history book told me that if Queen Elizabeth the first had married she wouldn't be the one to make the decisions anymore. The man would. That is why she refused to marry. Of course she used that to her advantage as well to get other people to side with her. So if my history book is wrong then I need to start looking into everything I was taught. That may be wrong too. I'd have to relearn math. :( No! XD
@ookami292 They have not been given the chance but still have made hudge differences look at the spitfire women for example, Good documentary on them on BBC atm, They had one of the most dangorus jobs got paid less disrespected and had to fight for everything they achieved. Why do we not get taught about them in school because we still live in a patriarchy society
@factory2590 Well i would at least like to properly learn about history of womens struggles and lets be real here thats not going to be perfect when tons of the majour laws was made in the 70's (for the uk) I think when it comes to parenting children should be split 50/50 unless due to abusive parents
@MissTeetowl Patriarchy society? Are you serious? Women have almost complete control of the legal system when against a male. Do you not realize this?
@Pianomantodd1 Well for a start it depends which country you are speaking of on how exstream patriarchy is uk or usa, I think usa is worse than the uk for laws, if your speaking of the uk, then there are a heck of a lot more seats to men than women which they pass laws on votes.. so yeah men have more of a voice on laws here
It's a fact that males used these "tools" as weapons when hunting their prey. This would explain later on how the male species developed tools, by first using them as weapons while they hunted. The female gender didn't need tools in those times. I love how females constantly spew this crap about how the female gender is better than the males, then when they realize their achievements aren't as great as the males they say they made the males inventions. Typical.
Men have been the ones to create nearly everything you use to survive in this modern day world and yet you still want more without doing as much work.
I have a test, you list how many items society "needs" made by women and I will list how many things in society that's needed that were made by men.
You will see that the men have done far more work and are still doing far more work for society and then women like you want to be seen as equal without doing equal contribution.
@Smyshey I didn't realize men created food, air, and water. Oh, the modern world...like the one they created to reward themselves. Is it also the one that is being destroyed through violence and greed and inequality ? I also love the argument where you create a model where one gender isn't allowed to work (until recently in our history) and then says, " Look, women haven't created the bombs and guns that we so enjoy today" Typical non-critical self-serving logic.
Well yes, men did create most of the food now eaten on earth. The made the water clean to drink aswell. What do you think would happen if during the war we just put down our weapons and let other nations take our land and kill everyone and most likely rape every woman? You would have a problem with that and if we were still alive through that then youwould be sitting here telling me how men just let it happen instead of fighback.
@Smyshey What ??? Men created food and clean water ? Did you get past nursery school ? So war is necessary to protect us from other war mongering men. Nice.
Men where the first to realize how to eat meat without falling ill, men have made water systems to make sure you can drink clean water from your taps, if it was just as simple as to drink water then why is it that africa does not have clean water? I swear if you make one more idiotic responce then I won't reply because "YET AGAIN" you have failed to make the list because you know what the outcome will be.
The fact that you don't get that men made water systems so that you could drink "clean" water shows the irony in your "did you get past nursery" statement because it shows that you are not smart enough to realize that we need water systems to get clean water. War is in the human nature, that includes women. There wll always be war and there will always be people defending and people attacking but feminist such as yourself don't understand that.
@Smyshey Okay. I have agreed mostly with this video. I have agreed mostly with what has been said at grizzlyfiendish. I however cannot let you just say this without some education. It is unknown whether men have created nearly everything, or not. I say this because there have been laws oppressing women by allowing them not to own property. That means they couldn't own their own inventions. Guess who took the credit? Men did. That means that not all records are strait.
Oh? So you're saying, these females that were so oppressed and had no time to study or even learn to read, let alone research things, could be responsible for alot of the things men take credit for?
Guess who took the credit? Give me proof of that. How about you shut up already. I'm sick of female like you. You always try and say the female gender is equal to the male and then when you can't prove it you say you're responsible for what makes males great. Typical.
@grizzlyfiendish If women didn't want to get married, then they'd just say no, when a man asks them to marry him. I swear it's like people get more and more retarded as time goes on..
@grizzlyfiendish Hey, you have won, for now. Women control most of the money. Most of the money is spent on, by or for women. Money is control of the movement of resources. That is the very definition of power. And why are men relinquishing their responsiblity? It comes to a point where there is little upside in this society ruled by feminist values where men have are expected to be responsible but are not given any recognition or even penalized for their efforts. I am tired of it!
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Men need to make laws to help them? You're an idiot. Men didn't need any laws to "help" them before these sexist ass clowns started bitching and whining about just about anything just to have a voice. Cut these bullshit laws completely out of the picture and let the feminists complain all they fucking want, tell them where they can stick it.
@WomenSlapper So....in the face of arrest, loss of property, incarceration, and asset stripping we're supposed to do what...be an Internet Tough Guy(tm)? And this will accomplish precisely what?
Sorry man...YOU seem to be the idiot. With that username, it's not much of a surprise.
@factory2590 My point is that without these new age laws that modern day feminists have worked so hard to get put in place which condemn men for simply being men, we wouldn't have any of these problems you listed. "Cut these bullshit laws completely out of the picture" Is just me blowing off steam, because I know it's near impossible to go back now after we've sat by and watched for so long. As for what I hope to accomplish by acting like an internet tough guy...It makes me feel a little better.
I hope you will read this. There shouldn't be a Feminism vs. Men's rights! So many women have destroyed Feminism's name. Feminism is supposed to be about equal rights, which to me as a Feminist means that men's rights are just as important! I am adamant about such issues as men not having parental rights over a fetus and not being awarded custody. I hope you will see that true Feminists are like this. I hope you will stop hating us.
No feminism IS about female issues... but Feminists also look at male issues what people dont realise is this is pro masculinist (Just masculinist if your a male, just as if your a femminist and male your pro feminist)
The reason why it gets confused is because things that are unfair for men also is unfair on women in some occasions too, Such as male contraception not being realised despite there being no side effects yet womens contraception causes lots of side effects but thats fine.
@Ragitsu PT.2 This is unfair on women in many ways due to the effects they have to endure on there bodys, On the flip side this also would benefit men, As they would be able to choose to take contraception not having to rely on the women to be on the pill knowing full well then that he will not get her pregnant, there is also the matter of responsibility that gets mixed up in this too, "She should of been on the pill" would turn into "They should of been on the pill" Noone to blame but themselfs
What a watered down lifeless shell of a man- I'de smack him too. We women have no representation, are taxed and tricked into thinking we are having a say in things- we DON'T we are the invisible, the old bag ladies who talk to themselves, we are the jilted lovers, dumped for being too old(for men our own ages...We are the Mother's supporting our kids alone- while the men screw 2 leslians at once....How would men like it if we went around saying "how hot it is to sleep w/ 2 gay men)..
@drumheadcircle Maybe you should examine what this individual is saying more closely. Research and study what he is saying and do some deep research. Not the kind of research that doesn't get you anywhere, I'm talking about the hardcore researching. Because if you do, you'll see that this man's point is completely and utterly valid. You should not be making such a broad judgment and generalization on a person you do not know personally. And I call bullshit, yall do have representation ma'am.
@TAPriceCTR Man I so hate that. I know its true though. -.- other women. I don't think men should be forced to pay child support on consensual sex when the mother refuses to give the child up. It would be different if the female was married to the male, and the male did something to the female. Though I have been reading that women are actually the first to start domestic violence. This world is just really sad.
As I mentioned, it was never men's fault. It's the hate this society likes to spread around, that's the problem. People think they can solve hate with hate, which is wrong. If women hate men/men's rights for unfair laws against them, it's wrong, and if men hate women/women's right for unfair laws it's also wrong. People should work together and not bash other to simply declaring rights that belong to them. But people who get involved in politics are not mature and won't listen.
Bashing feminism is not going to get men's rights anywhere, it will just cause more alienation and diversity between people, which many don't mean any harm but promote equality of their sex. And feminism isn't men's worst enemy, it's society, many of the unfair laws on men like divorce fines, child support, abortion control, etc. But these weren't necessarily made by feminists, but rather by society itself.
@factory2590 The common seen outdated gender role (seen by men and women) is that men work, and women look after the home and family. So the laws were shaped towards that. Women fought for their right to work trying to break the gender roles, so they now can, but since men didn't fight before it is out of balance, so now men blame feminism for what happened now.
It's true, as different genders, people don't always think about how the other gender will feel, so that's what I believe should be fixed instead of more separation. Men's rights and feminism need not to be separated. If women hadn't fought for their rights, things would have continued forever at their expense so I think feminism should have started.
@Amyprotester Yeah, it should have started. Then it should have ended. As a guy, I don't see anything in the way of my niece's success right now. The only thing that can stop her is if she lets herself get stopped by pregnancy or by choice. That tells me that feminism has no reason to exist any more. Feminists are over correcting, although if you ask me they are doing it on purpose. It's not about equality anymore, it's about superiority.
@factory2590 However, men now need to make laws that can help them, and what I think can happen is that both need to make peace with one another, and when they are not threatened by each other and seen as contradicting views, then possibly you could see a lot of people are different genders harboring both views and thus that is the way to bring true equality, because it is definitely possible.
@Amyprotester The PHMT argument...haven't seen that in...oh...about 3 hours.
There is AMPLE evidence that feminist organizations like NOW and the AAUW openly oppose reforms, for example, of education to help boys. They deny boys are even in trouble.
Obama refuses to examine the state men and boys are in, even given the employment and social problems being faced. At the behest of feminist lobbyists.
Here in Canada, it's now legal to hire a hitman to kill (cont)
@Amyprotester (cont) your husband, as long as you declare abuse. That this even happens stems DIRECTLY from the 30 year misinformation campaign surrounding domestic violence. Feminists (and governments) have known for decades that women beat their men too...it was just not politically expedient to admit it.
Several, if not all, of mens' problems can be traced DIRECTLY to feminist dogma.
Sorry, you get the blame for that, like it or not. Because you're a feminist.
@Amyprotester "And that is prejudice my fellow human."
No shit. Now, tell me how a bunch of bigoted feminists "really care about men" so much that they continue to push for extremist anti-male legislation? And while you're at it, explain how those 'good feminists' we CONSTANTLY hear about manage to be so...invisible... everywhere else....and how they aren't just as bigoted as the man hater kind.
Then you can explain how an ideology based on scapegoating men ISN'T a hate movement.
See this video as an example of a "good" feminist as proof not all polital feminists are all for themselves or against mens rights: watch?v=uzrNkpfNNY0
@Amyprotester I still wonder why legislations keep producing antmale laws and how is that possible that radicals are on the top of the feminist gerarchies, even if the majority doesent agree with them.
The only possible explanation I have is the extremist are silencely supported by the majority even if they claim they dont.
@Amyprotester, the problem is that when a group of people is legally oppressed, they have no way of ending their oppression except by organized political activity. To advise oppressed groups not to organize politically like this is to tell them they should just shut up and accept their oppression.
Political organization doesn't have to include bashing, but it has to include bold truth-telling. Even if it does include bashing, it's better than no political organization at all.
I would go further: it is wrong for anyone, including women, to build movements that disregard the rights and needs of huge sections of the population - in this case, fully half the population (men). We can see from history the results of successful movements built on disregarding the rights of entire groups of people - the Nazis, the Communists, and the never-ending wars waged by the American government against civilians both inside and outside of America.
Also, I love how you automatically generalize and think feminist are all "together" and they all "agree with the unfair court system". Feminists are people who, as I said, believe in womens rights. eg: How would you feel popular youtube bloggers hijacked the voice of men's rights, said nonsense that makes the supporters look biased and bad, and then made everyone hate the group without taking a good look at what you have to say?. Would that make you ditch your own beliefs within men's rights? No
Meaning any good feminists who mean well (ones who were originally there) will get a bad name. What you are currently doing is following in their footsteps and just doing a male version of feminism, which makes you no better. Feminism is nothing more than "woman's rights", nothing more than what you preach, just for another gender, it's just been abused and misrepresented by the wrong hands.
Males rights would work very well too if it wasn't hijacked by misinformed people like you. Many women are already seeing men's rights as an insult as how many people in the media, and on youtube and sexist websites, bringing the message along with hate; which the radical feminists did themselves and gave themselves a bad name.
@Amyprotester ....uh, yeah...I can tell you're not an ideologue FAR more interested in defending her precious reputation than do something...er...consistent with feminist rhetoric of the "egalitarian" kind.
Seriously? Are you honestly trying the NAFALT thing with me?
Here's your clue-by-four:
I view feminism in EXACTLY the same light as NAZIism. What you are doing, is saying "I know those OTHER nazis are wanting to gas all you Jews...but not all of us are like that!".
First of all, that arguement is invalid because Nazis were started as a hate group to kill people, nothing else, nothing more. Feminism is simply women's rights, it's not supposed to be hatred at all.
You view feminism as nazism because you are ignorant and bitter. I'm not good at communicating with such people because they are illogical. You are viewing your political opinion from your own emotions, rather than what is true.
I'm sorry you feel that way, maybe one day you'll see a feminist face-to-face who isn't like the people you see on tv and on internet hate sites and you will hopefully be more open-minded into learning. And yes, I cannot argue against bitterness, I could say all day that most feminists aren't the generalization you have in your head, but your emotions and lack of knowledge will tell you otherwise.
@ astrahl- Your claim of feminism not being antiman is an outright lie. Due to the feminist movement, the family courts are slanted against men, there have been studies showing that there is a push for males to be more feminine, it is much easier for a woman to beat a man and get away with it, sexual harassment/discrimination claims by men are largely ignored and the list goesn on. I do not have the space to put them all down. Due to feminism, I was subjected to that crap.
Ya, that's you. A prince among men. I actually feel sorry for the cause with somebody like you speaking for it. You could make a devoted animal lover want to club a baby seal. You speak of evidence yet you offer none. You'd likely deny any evidence I would present, which closes any meaningful conversation. Like the greenhouse effect naysayers. Like the creationists. Sticking your fingers in your ears against evidence. Good luck with things. I'm sure it'll work out.
@astrahl1 Do you have ANY idea how many times a week some asshat like you demands I prove things to them. Specifically. And all ONLY for them (all special-like)?
I created a fucking MAGAZINE (currently in Issue 5) to explain all this shit. If you can't be bothered to read it, I suggest you take that as your cue to shut the fuck up. You're not a snowflake sister. You're a dime-a-dozen with transparent tactics.
Yeah, how have women vicitimized YOU, 2590. How much sexism and abuse has befallen you. Because if you want to start comparing scars, be prepared. Yet I don't hate men. I don't hate or minimize the issues important to men. I recognize them as important and worthy of a voice. You, on the other hand, don't care what women have to put up with. You don't care and that is what bothers me most.
@astrahl1 I couldn't give a fuck less if you were bothered or not. There is no shortage of feminists and women who WANT men marginalized, and precious, PRECIOUS few who will speak up. Anecdotally, there is NO evidence that feminists and women in general aren't more than fine with the way things are. All you assholes do, in fact, is argue against change.
So seriously, fuck you. Go to Hell. Die. Whatever. You hateful sexists had your chance. You made your bed. Lie in it.
Just because you say something does not make it true. Well, perhaps inside your head it does, but it does not equal universal truth. So goes with your "feminism is an anti male hate movement." You aren't adding anything to the forward movement of humanity. You are a angry, shake-your-tiny-fist attention seeker who wants to incite antagonism. I rile at injustice committed on either gender, you just seem to care about the real and imaginary wrongs against men.
@astrahl1 Well, I'll keep 'shaking my tiny fist' and we'll see how many men agree with me. People like you better hope you haven't disenfranchised, pissed off, or otherwise alienated enough men to give people like me the numbers we need.
But hey, go on being smug. We're paying attention, and we will remember.
"Feminism is an anti male hate movement, there are no exceptions."
This is just a false statement. Feminists are not anti-male. I know this because I am a feminist and I am not anti-male. What I am for is women having the same rights as men, the same pay as men and the same protections as men. Believe it or not, this is an anti-female world. You don't fear and prepare yourself for the things that women have to on a daily basis.
@astrahl1 If you are a feminist, then you adhere to a hateful ideology. It's not surprising you feel you are on the side of 'right'....nearly everyone does, after all.
I'd try and convince you, but it's pointless. If you're a feminist, then you're a write off. An obstacle at best.
Feminism is an anti male hate movement, by word and especially deed. You can deny it all you like, but you sure as hell can't back up your position. You're simply rationalizing. Just like a hate monger would.
Male activists are doing the same mistake genuine feminists made a long ago that made radical feminists. Which is,people see their "oppressed" sex in society through their gender and become sexist hypocrites themselves, and look to the "bad side of the opposite sex" to justify their behavior. So mens rights supporters who have become radical will make radical feminists - circle of hate. No gender is equal, on both sides in different areas in society. That's why I'm a humanitarian.
@Amyprotester Gee, never heard a feminist accuse me of being as evil as...er, a feminist is....and then declare themselves "above it all" as 'humanitarians' - after which an implied support of feminism is employed...
Nope, never seen THAT tired old tactic played out so many times I could script it in my sleep.....
Read again, humanitarian; I support human rights in general, including feminism, male rights comes under that. It is rights of both sexes and the rights of any human, class, sex, religion, orientation, etc. It is your skewed and prejudiced sense of feminism that makes you not able to see that and only think feminism is a man-hating group. If you did your research properly you'd see that feminism started off benign before it got hijacked by the third wave feminists.
@Amyprotester, you're right, it DID get hijacked. However, did you know that men can be jailed in New York City for several years for making unwanted comments toward women like "Hey, you're drop-dead gorgeous. Can I have your number?"? So that's years of anal rape in punishment for a single sentence like that. And this piece of fascism was rammed through by feminists. No wonder many men think feminism is, and always was, a hate movement, even if it was a positive thing decades ago.
I don't think anyone would be jailed for a pickup line, for constant verbal sexual harassment, would be understandable. Can you also link your source in it being for "years" because they sounds ridiculous and untrue. But you have to understand that while radical feminists may ask for these laws, but it is the people in government (which even you have to admit) are mostly men themselves.
@Amyprotester, So if radical feminists manage to ram this kind of legislation down the throat of society, it's MEN'S fault?! That's like saying women who were subjugated centuries ago were responsible for their predicament because they themselves, to a great extent, subscribed to the belief that this subjugation was just and right.
What you're doing is blaming the victim. If men are mistreated in Western society because of feminist demands, it's not men's fault. It's feminists' fault.
@Smyshey they didn't allow women to own property. Because of that fact a lot of what women invention was claimed by men. We may never know how much stuff was created by women because of that.
ookami292 2 weeks ago
@Smyshey This was reasearch done by men and women. They saw that women could have been the ones to make the tools first because it was observed in apes, monkey's or whatever that the women made the tools because they were the weaker sex. Does this mean that they indefinably did? No, but it means that men may have not created everything either. I believe women are just as intelligent as men, and vice verse. The only reason that males seem to think they created everything is because they didn't
ookami292 2 weeks ago
Thanks feminist: now I have a cause, and a common enemy to fight against.
1324354657687988 3 weeks ago
The answer isn't that both groups' existences are justified by the need to balance the other, the answer is that the members of each group are all a bunch of hypocrites and NEITHER group's existence is justified. You also don't need the black panthers to balance out the KKK, let's just all ignore them both. Except for their comic relief value. You know, when you're feeling down, and you just want to feel superior to a whole group of people you can point at and laugh at, THERE THEY ARE!
medexamtoolsdotcom 4 weeks ago
I am a female supporting men's right's since that seems to be the best way to balance the current injustices of late
buskerbabe 1 month ago
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TreacleMary 1 month ago
I recommend girlwriteswhat's videos, and christy0misty, too. Those are GREAT women for speaking about all of this. Too many of the women (AND the men) here are asking questions that they really don't want answered, since the are arguing from [irrational/hateful] conclusions. I keep noticing that they try to move the argument a CAREFUL millimeter off from what they know you're actually talking about, to distract/derail/drain you.
MyOttoLink 1 month ago
@MyOttoLink I would be TERRIBLY remiss, however, in failing to say how GREAT a job this guy did with this video. I'm SO glad you said what you've said here--although only a few women will value it (they ARE out there; I've seen a few commenting). Thanks a lot for this.
MyOttoLink 1 month ago
@theplentysense As a brother of a Deputy Warden, I know that your statistics may be of rare stories, but not statistics of rare actual cases. look at the marriage/divorce/alimony laws, and it's obvious that the rights are unequal--in favor of WOMEN. It's about to change, though. It already is. Men are getting fed up, and are going into action!
MyOttoLink 1 month ago
@theplentysense "Your enemy is and always has been other men, not women." I suppose you would quickly admit "women aren't perfect"; then, say that some of the things that women do are WRONG. How then, could you prove that women have not made themselves ENEMIES, if they DO do things that are WRONG? Wow.........
MyOttoLink 1 month ago
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stopthenwo100 1 month ago
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stopthenwo100 1 month ago
@theplentysense But about 77% of all murder victims (US) are male, wome are also more likely to kill someone they know. Got any sources on that the even distribution of domestic abuse is a myth?
From the Swedish department of justice, 55% of domestic abusers are women, I find it hard to imagine rates would differ so much between two western countries, we are very much the same after all.
The problematic thing as I see it is that violance towards men is accepted in society.
Blargaha 1 month ago
Think twice before you sleep with a woman.
gdcat777 1 month ago
@gdcat777 especially think twice before marrying.
MyOttoLink 1 month ago
(pt. 8) I think instead of two movements- feminist and the MRM- we should have one... the pro-human movement. A movement that addresses the concerns of both men and women without one gender chopping at the other's throat. WHO'S IN?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
mrDWhitebread 1 month ago
(pt. 7) I believe the cause of this awful and silent epidemic is that men are forced to repress their emotions more then women. think of the expressions "man up" "grow a pair of balls" " a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do"- these are all codes for "repress your feelings" and I think men are susceptible to a dangerous psyche because of the social stigma and possibly the genetic conditioning achieved from the stresses of being provider and protector- kill with the risk of being killed.
mrDWhitebread 1 month ago
(pt. 6) One stat I would like to share is that around the world the male suicide rate is significantly higher then the female suicide rate. Interestingly more women attempt suicide then men but more men are successful because more men mean to kill themselves. in a majority cases involving female suicide it's more of a desperate cry for help by swallowing a handful of pills with the door wide open. Most male suicides are completed via violent means- men tend to use guns with the door shut.
mrDWhitebread 1 month ago
(pt. 5) A woman is a human being. That's actually the smartest quote from the women's 2nd lib movement I can think of. There are societies in the world that treat women poorly because they are women and that should be condemned not because a woman is a woman but because a woman is a human being. I don't know about any of the statistics you guys are throwing out but I do know that both men and women are subjected to rape, domestic violence, depression and disease.
mrDWhitebread 1 month ago
(pt. 4) ... and they were forced to do these jobs just because they were men! To make a long story short and I could go on and on about this- the second women's liberation movement of the 1960s in America had a slogan that's actually quite stupid given human nature- that slogan? I am not a sex object. In truth we are all sex objects (how do you think we hot here?) and since we live in an ever changing society we are all success objects too-men and women. One slogan of the feminist movement is...
mrDWhitebread 1 month ago
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(pt. 3) other developed similar characteristics- a sense of property and marriage while condemning promiscuous sex and exalting the violence thought necessary for protection. this is where feminists can chime in and say it sucked to be a woman back then but was it really that much better for men? Think of it this way and I'm quoting Dr. Warren Farrell on this while women were looked as sex objects men were perceived as success objects forced to use their bodies for intense labor and warfare...
mrDWhitebread 1 month ago
(pt. 3) other developed similar characteristics- a sense of property and marriage while condemning promiscuous sex and exalting the violence thought necessary for protection. this is where feminists can chime in and say it sucked to be a woman back then but was it really that much better for men? Think of it this way and I'm quoting Dr. Warren Farrell on this while women were looked as sex objects men were perceived as success objects forced to use their bodies for intense labor and warfare...
mrDWhitebread 1 month ago
(pt. 2) take that biology and mind the harsh environment our ancestors had to endure and it's easy to see how the man became provider and protector and how the woman became the source of nurture. Some feminists blame men for all that's wrong in the world because men served that role but in truth they had to do what they did in order for both genders to survive- kill and be killed. Enter agriculture and religion and the roles become more complicated. Societies no matter how distant from each...
mrDWhitebread 1 month ago
I feel like you can wrap up the history/status of the genders in the following comparison... Men were liberated but disposable while women were ironically oppressed and protected at the same time. We shouldn't necessarily look at our past and think that it was a walk in the park for men just because our society was patriarchal rather it's better to say each gender served a specific role. This stems from the facts of basic, time tested biology that women get pregnant and men- physically strong
mrDWhitebread 1 month ago
woman and Feminism need and men want, women back in the old day were treated badly
MultiJaredo 1 month ago
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stopthenwo100 1 month ago
@theplentysense i'm so sorry for your infermity
nomiclas 1 month ago
I hate chivalry (which more often than not comes with a set of silent imposition that imbues stereotypical gender roles into children), and I wish the end of any systemic chivalry as well, which is of course a dying thing.
And as much as I think that feminist are being unobjective, I still think that women still have alot to deal with when it comes to "manspace".
There are various factors ranging from women's own complacency and laziness, as well as implicit discrimination....
AndrewChan84 2 months ago
Smart man!!! I subscribe!
AndrewChan84 2 months ago
ABCDE6294 1 in 3 women will be subject to spousal abuse, sexual assault, stalking, or some combination of those three in her lifetime. oh and feminism is about equality fyi.
climer12345me 2 months ago
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We treat feminism in the same way we treat racism,
We scrutinize any person for feminist opinion,
We refuse to cooperate with a person with feminist opinions,
We ignore and prevent any action from a feminist.
We defend ourselves together against any feminist attack.
We push back the pendulum to that of which feminism has crossed the line.
BUT WE DO NOT MAKE THE FEMINIST MISTAKE OF ATTACKING THE FEMINIST AFTER DEFEATED, WE ONLY BOYCOTT AND STEP AWAY TOGETHER.
crangdaniel 2 months ago
@ABCDE6294 Citations for that, please? Or are you just making shit up?
NoelBlueheart 2 months ago
@ABCDE6294 Also 6% of domestic violence cases are men abusing women. 50% is what you stated, and the other 44% is both abusing. And yet it is widely accepted that Women need special protection against "dangerous" men.
Pianomantodd1 3 months ago
Plllleeeeaaaasseee just let me and my sex crrrryyyyyy as much as weantt because it's what we wannnnttttt. You're hurting me by not allllowwwiinnggg it!!!!! Oh God, you are so hurtful to my gennneddeerrr WAAAAHAHHAAHAH!!!!!1
railroadwino1 3 months ago
This video tells it like it is.
this video is perfect in its explination.
i am a victim of discrimintation of women since i was a child.
i have found that the vast majority of women are sexist (not just femminists)
i have found that the majority women seem to have extreamly sexist views, and men do not. (more often then not)
Im sick of women trying to push there responsilbilys onto men, pay for your own dinners. take full responbilitys or give up your rights. pick one, now.
fireblazzerx 3 months ago
@fireblazzerx start doing your own pots and washing up then. I joke, Yeah sexism towards men and women is largely ignored which is why feminism and masculinism is important... I am proud to admit i am a feminist and a pro masculinist If people don't understand feminism and are ignorant to those who try to get equality for BOTH sexes then thats there problem.
MissTeetowl 3 months ago
I hate Womankind!!
Pr0udW0manBeater 4 months ago
*Maybe people don't laugh when women are brutalized because it is a common occurrence (1 out of 4 women are raped in their lifetime.) *
90% of the 1 in 4 are from third world sesspools, that is hardly a fair arguement to use in the context of feminism in developed countries.
Not only are men brutalized as civilians along with the women and children but men have to die in large numbers in war.
justvisiting1979 5 months ago
Logical, calm and well articulated grievances are not going to prevail against the screeching cries of gender bias by feminists who will take advantage of their traditional techniques of persuasion as women to achieve their untraditional objectives. Eventually, our arguments must be first rooted solidly in logic, but more importantly, they must be delivered en masse, with passion and even righteous anger if we are to be effective. Thanks for helping to logically frame the argument.
dnsmithnc 5 months ago
BACKLASH Third stage genuine feminism embraces a woman's SONS. The right of the boy to be breast-fed and to receive nuturance and care for all of his talents and a well rounded slate of opportunities. In sport or any interests he expresses while having been exposed to a course of complete wholistic education. Embracing his selections with encouragement and participation in society is a part of the feminine agenda for women also mothers. When you get breasts and a womb talk to me about it.
AnneFox7 5 months ago
Feminism was/is nessicary evil but it has run its course and gone a bit to far. We need to back up a bit and re-think our assumptions, laws, policies and social attitudes.
Men do need more advocacy, the problem is that enough men are doing well enough or haven't suffered first-hand from feminism yet or realized there impending doom.
When mens issues hit a critical mass the mens movement will already be in place and hopefully have built a strong position.
justvisiting1979 5 months ago
@justvisiting1979 You're right except that feminism has gone not just a little too far. Your statement regarding a critical mass is dead on. Women will realize that one reason they are being victimnized by men is because there is an undercurrent of resentment among men along with a feeling of powerlessness in this society dominated by women's values. Men are angry. Women are often lauded for example for thier role in raising a child but men are not. It is not fair and needs to change!
dnsmithnc 5 months ago
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VAWAhorrors 5 months ago
1. Give Women Voting Rights
2. Give Women Equal Rights
3. Give Women Extra Rights
4. Give Women Extra Protection... from Men
5. Hear only Women and Ignore Men
6. Believe Women only and Treat men as Perpetrators
7. Let Women Falsely Accuse Men without Consequences
8. Encourage Women to be Helpless Victims and to think of All Men as Rapists
9. Encourage False Accusations by Women (VAWA) and Punish Innocent Men
10. ...Watch Women Destroy Men, the Family and Society !!!
VAWAhorrors 5 months ago
Good video. Short and to the point.
pedrom41 5 months ago
Men are basically jealous of women.
AirForceGirl05 6 months ago
Read the book entitled, "The War on Boys". In it the author argues persuasively that being a boy is now regarded as a pathology that needs to be cured. I feel sorry for boys. Their gender is blamed for most of the evils of the world. It is no surprise then that in 1997, a typical year anymore that of the 4400 suicides between the ages of 5 and 24, around 3700 were male. How many men are getting pissed at the overwhelming power of women today over men in nearly every arena!
dnsmithnc 6 months ago
@dnsmithnc Abuse of men is not what women want. Many of the offenders are other men. The ideal is democratic family rule. In patriarchal society with the use of slavery dominant the issue of refusal to accept the need for the expression of masculinity +femininity and the range of human expression in both sexes is a travesty of justice to humanity. Some women can't tell when they are pregnant. Some are convinced that abortion won't bring psychological trauma. BACKLASH attacks humanity.
AnneFox7 5 months ago
@AnneFox7 Well Anne, I am not sure if abuse of men is not what many women want. People have a tendency to give a face to their unhappiness. If one is feeling badly, fearful of their own mortality, angry, or disatisfied for any reason, people will find someone to blame whether they deserve it or not. That someone is usually a man, especially among women, whether a man or men in general deserve it or not. Men are saddled with way too much responsibility when it come to women's happiness.
dnsmithnc 5 months ago
@dnsmithnc The issue of saddling with responsibility for women's happiness comes with the fact of having women dependent on men for long periods in a partnership. While she is providing the family with emotional support she wants a quid pro quo. It is concern with her happiness too. This is not about gender it is about human rights. Often there is a matter of no men's Vs women's rights but one of human rights and a continuum of situational expression for self actualization.
AnneFox7 4 months ago
the men's rights movement exists as a backlash against the feminist movement. Power is not relinquished by asking nicely. Feminism is strong, powerful, and just and men are making their last stand to keep their control via patriarchy. Anything I have ever heard regarding men's movements are ridiculously trivial. i.e. not getting custody. Many men don't want to take care of their children monetarily, practically, or emotionally. Those that do just need to prove it in court .
grizzlyfiendish 7 months ago
@grizzlyfiendish I can't take feminism seriously, There was this talk show and they decided to talk about this man that got his penis cut of for asking for a divorce. Now did you get that? He didn't do anything wrong, all he did was ask for a divorce. When they started talking about this subject they started joking and laughing and so did the crowd that this man that was asking for a divorce got his penis cut off but if it was in vice versa then females would have a bitch fit, feminism is a joke
Smyshey 6 months ago
@Smyshey Maybe people don't laugh when women are brutalized because it is a common occurrence (1 out of 4 women are raped in their lifetime.) Women can't go out alone at night. Why ? Not because they fear women attacking them. Why are men who are busy insulting feminists not fighting to make the streets and the world safe for women. Why is it okay that women aren't free. And this is just one part of what women have to endure in a sexist culture. I could make a huge list.
grizzlyfiendish 6 months ago
@grizzlyfiendish
I'll tell you why, it's because people like you are saying "we should make the streets safe for WOMEN" completely forgetting that crime should be stopped all together. Women aren't free? Another statement that makes it hard to take feminism seriously. You can make a huge list just like I can make a huge list going the opposite way, care to exchange lists? Ofcoure you will dissagree with all of them because women are just the poor souls that have nothing going for them, right?
Smyshey 6 months ago
@Smyshey Can you name some crimes that women commit predominately against men which are similar in scope as rape, molestation, abuse, and murder ? Using the argument that some women kill men is not valid because they don't as a gender single out men to do these things to. So, when men want to complain about how the marriage and custody laws are hurting men, maybe they should have thought about that when they invented such an oppressive institution as marriage (ownership of women and children)
grizzlyfiendish 6 months ago
@grizzlyfiendish So all men, as a gender, single out women to rape, murder & molest? The world you live in must be scary. Also, marriage has been supported by many matriarchal societies throughout history. In fact I can't name a society that doesn't. I feel its also necessary to point out that custody cases automatically favoring women have proven faulty. This is not to say the man should always get a child, but it should definitely be looked at as to who is the better parent.
BillyJoe1305 6 months ago
@grizzlyfiendish
I can name crimes, all of the ones you just listed. You base a whole gender on the bad apples which is why most men don't take feminism seriously. The majority of females today walk around in revealing clothes that a hooker would wear but do we brand the whole female gender as hookers? No.
Females have the choice to abortion where as men don't get a choice, if women want the baby and the man doesn't because he's not ready then the man has to pay child support etc......
Smyshey 6 months ago
@Smyshey Let's hypothetically say pitbulls are responsible for 90 % of attacks on babies. Doesn't it make sense that we should work on training pitbulls to be less vicious. If we then held our babies closer when we saw a pitbull coming (even though it is a "nice" pitbull) would we be wrong ? No, we shouldn't have to accommodate the pitbulls until they have shown that they are no longer exhibiting any range of violent behaviors. You can love a pitbull, but you are taking a bit of a risk.
grizzlyfiendish 6 months ago
@grizzlyfiendish
What a bad excuse you just made, there is a difference between pitbulls (or any animal) and humans. I have seen far more slutty looking women than respective looking ones so should I go up and ask for sex just because the majority of the ones I have seen would accept? Should men hide their daughter away from their mother because the majority of the females the father has seen are slut-like females and he doesn't want the mother to be a bad example?
Smyshey 6 months ago
@Smyshey I wouldn't dare insult pitbulls. I made what is called an analogy. A very accurate one. What do scantily clad women have to do with violence or misogyny ? Some men single out women as the recipient of their dominant and violent behavior. So how do we protect women ? We do so by teaching or training men to be more respectful. Why would anyone be against this ? Either you are in denial of the facts which serve men or you like it that way which serves men.
grizzlyfiendish 6 months ago
@grizzlyfiendish
.... If the female wants to have the child but the man does then he doesn't get any say on the abortion. women get double standards all the time, women get off of murder charges just by saying things like "he beat me". Females go on to a talk show and laugh about a female chopping off a mans penis because he wanted a divorce where as if it was the oppodite and it was a men laughing on tv about how a woman got her parts cut off then those people would be flamed on.
Smyshey 6 months ago
@Smyshey If you meant to say that the male doesn't want a child, then yeah, he can't force her to have an abortion. He can use a condom. If he wants a child and she doesn't, too bad. It is her body and it is not viable without her. Her choice. Men can't seem to handle not having this control. I thought I addressed the penis cut off issue when I said that women are abused, raped and killed just by virtue of being women on an hourly basis. Slicing off a penis is beyond a rare occurrence.
grizzlyfiendish 6 months ago
@grizzlyfiendish
Now that you said exactly what I wanted you to say about abortion, I will say what I have to say. Females are alowed an abortion anytime and that's true but if they are alowed to easily get rid of the responsibility of a child then so should men, if the child has been born then the male has a choice to either be the father or not be the father and have nothing to do with the child, that way it is fair because women AND men get the choice to be a parent and not just women.
Smyshey 6 months ago
@Smyshey Millions of men avoid financial responsibility. I happen to believe that men don't need to play any part in parenting. I think we should subsidize women for giving birth to and raising children (supposedly our most prized resources) like many European countries do. Instead we put the nuclear family above everything which is a bastion of abusive, sexist dysfunction. It is only because men want to have control of women and children, that they don't allow for alternative paradigms.
grizzlyfiendish 6 months ago
@grizzlyfiendish
They avoid financial responsibility? How so? I will happily prove you wrong. You believe that females can raise children by themselfes? Are you aware that Hitler was raised by a single mother? Grat parenting she must of done, right? It's because men want power over women? You do realize that it was men that gave women their rights? Pay attentionto history class otherwise you make stupid points (like you are now).
Smyshey 6 months ago
@grizzlyfiendish
Now, if you don't give me that list of accomplishments that have helped humanity then this conversation is over because I have made that one point and you still cannot take part in it. You knopw for a fact that if you name the ammount of things females have made and then I name the ammount of things men have made then the things that the men have made will outnumber the things the females have made for the "needs" of humanity.
Smyshey 6 months ago
@grizzlyfiendish
Make the list or this conversation is over because I can't be bothered having a discussion with someone that tries to avoid main points simply because they know the outcome wont go in their favour, which shows you are a woman not looiking for equality but looking for undeservingly superior.
Make the list or this conversation is over.
Smyshey 6 months ago
@grizzlyfiendish
So you are condoning what happened to the man whenhe was innocent? Welldone, another fine example why people don't take feminism seriously.
Are you forgetting something? Oh let me remind you, the list. I see that you have ignored my point of making a list because you most likely know of the outcome and how inferior your gender "as a whole" would seem.
Give me a list of what females have made that humanity needs and I'll give you a list of what males have made.
Smyshey 6 months ago
@Smyshey Yeah. That list may not be true. you keep saying that, but you are forgetting basic history. And its theory that men created everything. Just like it is theory women created things. In truth there is scientific evidence that could prove women made the first tools. Why? Women on average are the weaker sex. Who would need tools? The weaker sex would need tools. Sooo. I can't give you a list of stuff women made because a lot of stuff women have made is lost with time due to male arrogance.
ookami292 3 months ago
@ookami292
Your logic is poor. Tools are not just force multipliers, but also a means to do tasks more efficiently and tasks unable to be completed by human hands alone.
Ragitsu 3 months ago
@Ragitsu I didn't get that. I was referring to how you keep saying that women haven't invented anything compared to men. Well they did, but the information is lost in time due to men's arrogance. Not only that women according to a new study may have invented the first tools. So you logic is poor by saying that men invented many things compared to women. No one is sure if it is true because men may have hid what women have invented.
ookami292 3 months ago
@ookami292
Uh, that was the first post i've typed in response to one of your comments. What do you mean by "how you keep saying that women haven't invented anything compared to me"?
Ragitsu 3 months ago
@Ragitsu Ugh. Haha. Typo, and I think that I have misunderstood what you were saying to that other user. I don't think you meant inventions, but still. Whether it be an invention, leadership position, or whatever else women can do to help human kind women have been denied. Women haven't had the chance until now to make a real difference. That is why queen Elizabeth the second I think refused to marry. She knew she could do great for her country, but if a man was in the pic she wouldn't be able.
ookami292 3 months ago
@ookami292 I think you mean elizabeth the first.. her decision to be seen as the 'the virgin' queen was purely political and was as an antithesis of the virgin mary...dont believe everything you see on TV and read some of the accounts of civil unrest in England at the time... If you wish to get into revisionist history change your lense
God4Dunoon 3 months ago
@God4Dunoon Actually it was my history book. My school history book told me that if Queen Elizabeth the first had married she wouldn't be the one to make the decisions anymore. The man would. That is why she refused to marry. Of course she used that to her advantage as well to get other people to side with her. So if my history book is wrong then I need to start looking into everything I was taught. That may be wrong too. I'd have to relearn math. :( No! XD
ookami292 3 months ago
@ookami292 They have not been given the chance but still have made hudge differences look at the spitfire women for example, Good documentary on them on BBC atm, They had one of the most dangorus jobs got paid less disrespected and had to fight for everything they achieved. Why do we not get taught about them in school because we still live in a patriarchy society
MissTeetowl 3 months ago
@MissTeetowl I agree with you here. It does irk me that we do not get taught about them.
ookami292 3 months ago
@MissTeetowl Yeah. Women are SOOOo hard done by these days....
factory2590 3 months ago
@factory2590 aware.org.sg/2010/02/myths/ Here you go sort your myths out.
MissTeetowl 3 months ago
@factory2590 Well i would at least like to properly learn about history of womens struggles and lets be real here thats not going to be perfect when tons of the majour laws was made in the 70's (for the uk) I think when it comes to parenting children should be split 50/50 unless due to abusive parents
MissTeetowl 3 months ago
@MissTeetowl Patriarchy society? Are you serious? Women have almost complete control of the legal system when against a male. Do you not realize this?
Pianomantodd1 3 months ago 12
@Pianomantodd1 Well for a start it depends which country you are speaking of on how exstream patriarchy is uk or usa, I think usa is worse than the uk for laws, if your speaking of the uk, then there are a heck of a lot more seats to men than women which they pass laws on votes.. so yeah men have more of a voice on laws here
MissTeetowl 3 months ago
@ookami292
It's a fact that males used these "tools" as weapons when hunting their prey. This would explain later on how the male species developed tools, by first using them as weapons while they hunted. The female gender didn't need tools in those times. I love how females constantly spew this crap about how the female gender is better than the males, then when they realize their achievements aren't as great as the males they say they made the males inventions. Typical.
Smyshey 2 months ago
@grizzlyfiendish Umm. I'm sorry. Even if men use a condom they fail. -.-
ookami292 3 months ago
@grizzlyfiendish
Men have been the ones to create nearly everything you use to survive in this modern day world and yet you still want more without doing as much work.
I have a test, you list how many items society "needs" made by women and I will list how many things in society that's needed that were made by men.
You will see that the men have done far more work and are still doing far more work for society and then women like you want to be seen as equal without doing equal contribution.
Smyshey 6 months ago
@Smyshey I didn't realize men created food, air, and water. Oh, the modern world...like the one they created to reward themselves. Is it also the one that is being destroyed through violence and greed and inequality ? I also love the argument where you create a model where one gender isn't allowed to work (until recently in our history) and then says, " Look, women haven't created the bombs and guns that we so enjoy today" Typical non-critical self-serving logic.
grizzlyfiendish 6 months ago
@grizzlyfiendish
Well yes, men did create most of the food now eaten on earth. The made the water clean to drink aswell. What do you think would happen if during the war we just put down our weapons and let other nations take our land and kill everyone and most likely rape every woman? You would have a problem with that and if we were still alive through that then youwould be sitting here telling me how men just let it happen instead of fighback.
Smyshey 6 months ago
@Smyshey What ??? Men created food and clean water ? Did you get past nursery school ? So war is necessary to protect us from other war mongering men. Nice.
grizzlyfiendish 6 months ago
@grizzlyfiendish
Men where the first to realize how to eat meat without falling ill, men have made water systems to make sure you can drink clean water from your taps, if it was just as simple as to drink water then why is it that africa does not have clean water? I swear if you make one more idiotic responce then I won't reply because "YET AGAIN" you have failed to make the list because you know what the outcome will be.
Smyshey 6 months ago
@grizzlyfiendish
The fact that you don't get that men made water systems so that you could drink "clean" water shows the irony in your "did you get past nursery" statement because it shows that you are not smart enough to realize that we need water systems to get clean water. War is in the human nature, that includes women. There wll always be war and there will always be people defending and people attacking but feminist such as yourself don't understand that.
Smyshey 6 months ago
@Smyshey Okay. I have agreed mostly with this video. I have agreed mostly with what has been said at grizzlyfiendish. I however cannot let you just say this without some education. It is unknown whether men have created nearly everything, or not. I say this because there have been laws oppressing women by allowing them not to own property. That means they couldn't own their own inventions. Guess who took the credit? Men did. That means that not all records are strait.
ookami292 3 months ago
@ookami292
Oh? So you're saying, these females that were so oppressed and had no time to study or even learn to read, let alone research things, could be responsible for alot of the things men take credit for?
Guess who took the credit? Give me proof of that. How about you shut up already. I'm sick of female like you. You always try and say the female gender is equal to the male and then when you can't prove it you say you're responsible for what makes males great. Typical.
Smyshey 2 months ago
@grizzlyfiendish If women didn't want to get married, then they'd just say no, when a man asks them to marry him. I swear it's like people get more and more retarded as time goes on..
TheJoshy1992 2 months ago
@grizzlyfiendish Hey, you have won, for now. Women control most of the money. Most of the money is spent on, by or for women. Money is control of the movement of resources. That is the very definition of power. And why are men relinquishing their responsiblity? It comes to a point where there is little upside in this society ruled by feminist values where men have are expected to be responsible but are not given any recognition or even penalized for their efforts. I am tired of it!
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777ELDEMONIO 7 months ago
Women... holy shit.... where to start.
They are all sugar coated on the outside, but deep down they sadistic crazy people.
SuperCorey95 7 months ago 4
Dear factory 2590, please kill yourself. It will make the world a better place and make me a little bit less ashamed to be a man.
dark7element 7 months ago
@dark7element eh? too many big words?
domanik 6 months ago
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Men need to make laws to help them? You're an idiot. Men didn't need any laws to "help" them before these sexist ass clowns started bitching and whining about just about anything just to have a voice. Cut these bullshit laws completely out of the picture and let the feminists complain all they fucking want, tell them where they can stick it.
WomenSlapper 7 months ago
@WomenSlapper So....in the face of arrest, loss of property, incarceration, and asset stripping we're supposed to do what...be an Internet Tough Guy(tm)? And this will accomplish precisely what?
Sorry man...YOU seem to be the idiot. With that username, it's not much of a surprise.
factory2590 7 months ago 22
@factory2590 My point is that without these new age laws that modern day feminists have worked so hard to get put in place which condemn men for simply being men, we wouldn't have any of these problems you listed. "Cut these bullshit laws completely out of the picture" Is just me blowing off steam, because I know it's near impossible to go back now after we've sat by and watched for so long. As for what I hope to accomplish by acting like an internet tough guy...It makes me feel a little better.
WomenSlapper 7 months ago
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MonsterSawce 7 months ago
I hope you will read this. There shouldn't be a Feminism vs. Men's rights! So many women have destroyed Feminism's name. Feminism is supposed to be about equal rights, which to me as a Feminist means that men's rights are just as important! I am adamant about such issues as men not having parental rights over a fetus and not being awarded custody. I hope you will see that true Feminists are like this. I hope you will stop hating us.
NoelBlueheart 7 months ago
@NoelBlueheart
Then work to get the name changed, because "Feminism": implies females...not females AND males.
Ragitsu 3 months ago
No feminism IS about female issues... but Feminists also look at male issues what people dont realise is this is pro masculinist (Just masculinist if your a male, just as if your a femminist and male your pro feminist)
The reason why it gets confused is because things that are unfair for men also is unfair on women in some occasions too, Such as male contraception not being realised despite there being no side effects yet womens contraception causes lots of side effects but thats fine.
MissTeetowl 3 months ago
@MissTeetowl I don't know what the fuck you were trying to say, so I'll just ask if I can rape your Grandma.
railroadwino1 3 months ago
@railroadwino1 go back to school... seriously
MissTeetowl 3 months ago
@Ragitsu PT.2 This is unfair on women in many ways due to the effects they have to endure on there bodys, On the flip side this also would benefit men, As they would be able to choose to take contraception not having to rely on the women to be on the pill knowing full well then that he will not get her pregnant, there is also the matter of responsibility that gets mixed up in this too, "She should of been on the pill" would turn into "They should of been on the pill" Noone to blame but themselfs
MissTeetowl 3 months ago
@NoelBlueheart if your for equality call yourself an egalitarian
TheConnorian 3 months ago
So in addition to being rapists and abusers, men also hate women and feel as though THEY'RE the ones being mistreated.
Delusional bunch of fucking nutjobs.
pomegranateish 8 months ago
@pomegranateish You're the reason women aren't respected......oh and is your computer in the kitchen, bitch?
jayc342009 8 months ago
What a watered down lifeless shell of a man- I'de smack him too. We women have no representation, are taxed and tricked into thinking we are having a say in things- we DON'T we are the invisible, the old bag ladies who talk to themselves, we are the jilted lovers, dumped for being too old(for men our own ages...We are the Mother's supporting our kids alone- while the men screw 2 leslians at once....How would men like it if we went around saying "how hot it is to sleep w/ 2 gay men)..
drumheadcircle 8 months ago
@drumheadcircle Maybe you should examine what this individual is saying more closely. Research and study what he is saying and do some deep research. Not the kind of research that doesn't get you anywhere, I'm talking about the hardcore researching. Because if you do, you'll see that this man's point is completely and utterly valid. You should not be making such a broad judgment and generalization on a person you do not know personally. And I call bullshit, yall do have representation ma'am.
TrueInnovator159 8 months ago
@drumheadcircle
women: right to abort and adopt the child out
men: stuck with child support if she chooses not to exersize these rights regardless of what he wants.
women: win custody and child support most of the time
men: told that even if they are denied their legaly authorized visitations still owe child support.
women: even IF they owe child support rarely pay (90% of women who owe child support do not pay including my ex)
men: have the rep for being deadbeat dads even though 90% pay.
TAPriceCTR 7 months ago 13
@TAPriceCTR You hit the nail right on the head on that one. Talk about a miscarriage of justice against men.
JesusManson323 7 months ago
@TAPriceCTR Man I so hate that. I know its true though. -.- other women. I don't think men should be forced to pay child support on consensual sex when the mother refuses to give the child up. It would be different if the female was married to the male, and the male did something to the female. Though I have been reading that women are actually the first to start domestic violence. This world is just really sad.
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44AlphaMale44 9 months ago
GOOD WILL TOWARD MEN!!
TheAmericanArm 10 months ago
As I mentioned, it was never men's fault. It's the hate this society likes to spread around, that's the problem. People think they can solve hate with hate, which is wrong. If women hate men/men's rights for unfair laws against them, it's wrong, and if men hate women/women's right for unfair laws it's also wrong. People should work together and not bash other to simply declaring rights that belong to them. But people who get involved in politics are not mature and won't listen.
Amyprotester 10 months ago
@Amyprotester You're arguing the fallacy of false compromise.
Men need to gain a LOT of rights before feminists have any right to call 'compromise'.
factory2590 10 months ago 18
@factory2590
Now listen, think about this:
Bashing feminism is not going to get men's rights anywhere, it will just cause more alienation and diversity between people, which many don't mean any harm but promote equality of their sex. And feminism isn't men's worst enemy, it's society, many of the unfair laws on men like divorce fines, child support, abortion control, etc. But these weren't necessarily made by feminists, but rather by society itself.
Amyprotester 10 months ago
@factory2590 The common seen outdated gender role (seen by men and women) is that men work, and women look after the home and family. So the laws were shaped towards that. Women fought for their right to work trying to break the gender roles, so they now can, but since men didn't fight before it is out of balance, so now men blame feminism for what happened now.
Amyprotester 10 months ago
@factory2590
It's true, as different genders, people don't always think about how the other gender will feel, so that's what I believe should be fixed instead of more separation. Men's rights and feminism need not to be separated. If women hadn't fought for their rights, things would have continued forever at their expense so I think feminism should have started.
Amyprotester 10 months ago
@Amyprotester Yeah, it should have started. Then it should have ended. As a guy, I don't see anything in the way of my niece's success right now. The only thing that can stop her is if she lets herself get stopped by pregnancy or by choice. That tells me that feminism has no reason to exist any more. Feminists are over correcting, although if you ask me they are doing it on purpose. It's not about equality anymore, it's about superiority.
Erduk 9 months ago
@factory2590 However, men now need to make laws that can help them, and what I think can happen is that both need to make peace with one another, and when they are not threatened by each other and seen as contradicting views, then possibly you could see a lot of people are different genders harboring both views and thus that is the way to bring true equality, because it is definitely possible.
Amyprotester 10 months ago
@Amyprotester The PHMT argument...haven't seen that in...oh...about 3 hours.
There is AMPLE evidence that feminist organizations like NOW and the AAUW openly oppose reforms, for example, of education to help boys. They deny boys are even in trouble.
Obama refuses to examine the state men and boys are in, even given the employment and social problems being faced. At the behest of feminist lobbyists.
Here in Canada, it's now legal to hire a hitman to kill (cont)
factory2590 10 months ago 6
@Amyprotester (cont) your husband, as long as you declare abuse. That this even happens stems DIRECTLY from the 30 year misinformation campaign surrounding domestic violence. Feminists (and governments) have known for decades that women beat their men too...it was just not politically expedient to admit it.
Several, if not all, of mens' problems can be traced DIRECTLY to feminist dogma.
Sorry, you get the blame for that, like it or not. Because you're a feminist.
factory2590 10 months ago 4
@factory2590
And that is prejudice my fellow human. The same thing that caused any hate group to form anywhere.
Amyprotester 10 months ago
@Amyprotester "And that is prejudice my fellow human."
No shit. Now, tell me how a bunch of bigoted feminists "really care about men" so much that they continue to push for extremist anti-male legislation? And while you're at it, explain how those 'good feminists' we CONSTANTLY hear about manage to be so...invisible... everywhere else....and how they aren't just as bigoted as the man hater kind.
Then you can explain how an ideology based on scapegoating men ISN'T a hate movement.
factory2590 10 months ago 4
@factory2590
See this video as an example of a "good" feminist as proof not all polital feminists are all for themselves or against mens rights: watch?v=uzrNkpfNNY0
Amyprotester 10 months ago
@Amyprotester I still wonder why legislations keep producing antmale laws and how is that possible that radicals are on the top of the feminist gerarchies, even if the majority doesent agree with them.
The only possible explanation I have is the extremist are silencely supported by the majority even if they claim they dont.
Kenshiroit 9 months ago
@Amyprotester about ch.summer....do u know lot if not the majority labels her as antifeminist?
Kenshiroit 9 months ago
@factory2590 keep up the good work
piemaster907 4 months ago
@Amyprotester, the problem is that when a group of people is legally oppressed, they have no way of ending their oppression except by organized political activity. To advise oppressed groups not to organize politically like this is to tell them they should just shut up and accept their oppression.
Political organization doesn't have to include bashing, but it has to include bold truth-telling. Even if it does include bashing, it's better than no political organization at all.
KhagarBalugrak 10 months ago 5
I would go further: it is wrong for anyone, including women, to build movements that disregard the rights and needs of huge sections of the population - in this case, fully half the population (men). We can see from history the results of successful movements built on disregarding the rights of entire groups of people - the Nazis, the Communists, and the never-ending wars waged by the American government against civilians both inside and outside of America.
KhagarBalugrak 10 months ago
@KhagarBalugrak spot on bro
themaniusedtob 10 months ago
Applause, brother.
FingSpaghettiMonster 10 months ago
Also, I love how you automatically generalize and think feminist are all "together" and they all "agree with the unfair court system". Feminists are people who, as I said, believe in womens rights. eg: How would you feel popular youtube bloggers hijacked the voice of men's rights, said nonsense that makes the supporters look biased and bad, and then made everyone hate the group without taking a good look at what you have to say?. Would that make you ditch your own beliefs within men's rights? No
Amyprotester 10 months ago
Meaning any good feminists who mean well (ones who were originally there) will get a bad name. What you are currently doing is following in their footsteps and just doing a male version of feminism, which makes you no better. Feminism is nothing more than "woman's rights", nothing more than what you preach, just for another gender, it's just been abused and misrepresented by the wrong hands.
Amyprotester 10 months ago
Males rights would work very well too if it wasn't hijacked by misinformed people like you. Many women are already seeing men's rights as an insult as how many people in the media, and on youtube and sexist websites, bringing the message along with hate; which the radical feminists did themselves and gave themselves a bad name.
Amyprotester 10 months ago
@Amyprotester ....uh, yeah...I can tell you're not an ideologue FAR more interested in defending her precious reputation than do something...er...consistent with feminist rhetoric of the "egalitarian" kind.
Seriously? Are you honestly trying the NAFALT thing with me?
Here's your clue-by-four:
I view feminism in EXACTLY the same light as NAZIism. What you are doing, is saying "I know those OTHER nazis are wanting to gas all you Jews...but not all of us are like that!".
Get it yet?
factory2590 10 months ago
@factory2590
First of all, that arguement is invalid because Nazis were started as a hate group to kill people, nothing else, nothing more. Feminism is simply women's rights, it's not supposed to be hatred at all.
You view feminism as nazism because you are ignorant and bitter. I'm not good at communicating with such people because they are illogical. You are viewing your political opinion from your own emotions, rather than what is true.
Amyprotester 10 months ago
@Amyprotester "You are viewing your political opinion from your own emotions, rather than what is true."
You keep trying to convince yourself of that, even in the face of not being able to argue against it. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
The rest of us know what you REALLY are though. Actions speak so much louder than words, after all.
Feminist = Man Hating Ideologue. There is literally NOTHING done by feminists to stray from that rep.
And that includes you.
factory2590 10 months ago
@factory2590
I'm sorry you feel that way, maybe one day you'll see a feminist face-to-face who isn't like the people you see on tv and on internet hate sites and you will hopefully be more open-minded into learning. And yes, I cannot argue against bitterness, I could say all day that most feminists aren't the generalization you have in your head, but your emotions and lack of knowledge will tell you otherwise.
Amyprotester 10 months ago
@ astrahl- Your claim of feminism not being antiman is an outright lie. Due to the feminist movement, the family courts are slanted against men, there have been studies showing that there is a push for males to be more feminine, it is much easier for a woman to beat a man and get away with it, sexual harassment/discrimination claims by men are largely ignored and the list goesn on. I do not have the space to put them all down. Due to feminism, I was subjected to that crap.
TheShieldfaith 10 months ago
Ya, that's you. A prince among men. I actually feel sorry for the cause with somebody like you speaking for it. You could make a devoted animal lover want to club a baby seal. You speak of evidence yet you offer none. You'd likely deny any evidence I would present, which closes any meaningful conversation. Like the greenhouse effect naysayers. Like the creationists. Sticking your fingers in your ears against evidence. Good luck with things. I'm sure it'll work out.
astrahl1 10 months ago
@astrahl1 Do you have ANY idea how many times a week some asshat like you demands I prove things to them. Specifically. And all ONLY for them (all special-like)?
I created a fucking MAGAZINE (currently in Issue 5) to explain all this shit. If you can't be bothered to read it, I suggest you take that as your cue to shut the fuck up. You're not a snowflake sister. You're a dime-a-dozen with transparent tactics.
Do your own fucking research.
factory2590 10 months ago
Yeah, how have women vicitimized YOU, 2590. How much sexism and abuse has befallen you. Because if you want to start comparing scars, be prepared. Yet I don't hate men. I don't hate or minimize the issues important to men. I recognize them as important and worthy of a voice. You, on the other hand, don't care what women have to put up with. You don't care and that is what bothers me most.
astrahl1 10 months ago
@astrahl1 I couldn't give a fuck less if you were bothered or not. There is no shortage of feminists and women who WANT men marginalized, and precious, PRECIOUS few who will speak up. Anecdotally, there is NO evidence that feminists and women in general aren't more than fine with the way things are. All you assholes do, in fact, is argue against change.
So seriously, fuck you. Go to Hell. Die. Whatever. You hateful sexists had your chance. You made your bed. Lie in it.
factory2590 10 months ago
Just because you say something does not make it true. Well, perhaps inside your head it does, but it does not equal universal truth. So goes with your "feminism is an anti male hate movement." You aren't adding anything to the forward movement of humanity. You are a angry, shake-your-tiny-fist attention seeker who wants to incite antagonism. I rile at injustice committed on either gender, you just seem to care about the real and imaginary wrongs against men.
astrahl1 10 months ago
@astrahl1 Well, I'll keep 'shaking my tiny fist' and we'll see how many men agree with me. People like you better hope you haven't disenfranchised, pissed off, or otherwise alienated enough men to give people like me the numbers we need.
But hey, go on being smug. We're paying attention, and we will remember.
factory2590 10 months ago
"Feminism is an anti male hate movement, there are no exceptions."
This is just a false statement. Feminists are not anti-male. I know this because I am a feminist and I am not anti-male. What I am for is women having the same rights as men, the same pay as men and the same protections as men. Believe it or not, this is an anti-female world. You don't fear and prepare yourself for the things that women have to on a daily basis.
astrahl1 10 months ago
@astrahl1 If you are a feminist, then you adhere to a hateful ideology. It's not surprising you feel you are on the side of 'right'....nearly everyone does, after all.
I'd try and convince you, but it's pointless. If you're a feminist, then you're a write off. An obstacle at best.
Feminism is an anti male hate movement, by word and especially deed. You can deny it all you like, but you sure as hell can't back up your position. You're simply rationalizing. Just like a hate monger would.
factory2590 10 months ago
@factory2590
Male activists are doing the same mistake genuine feminists made a long ago that made radical feminists. Which is,people see their "oppressed" sex in society through their gender and become sexist hypocrites themselves, and look to the "bad side of the opposite sex" to justify their behavior. So mens rights supporters who have become radical will make radical feminists - circle of hate. No gender is equal, on both sides in different areas in society. That's why I'm a humanitarian.
Amyprotester 10 months ago
@Amyprotester Gee, never heard a feminist accuse me of being as evil as...er, a feminist is....and then declare themselves "above it all" as 'humanitarians' - after which an implied support of feminism is employed...
Nope, never seen THAT tired old tactic played out so many times I could script it in my sleep.....
factory2590 10 months ago
@factory2590
Read again, humanitarian; I support human rights in general, including feminism, male rights comes under that. It is rights of both sexes and the rights of any human, class, sex, religion, orientation, etc. It is your skewed and prejudiced sense of feminism that makes you not able to see that and only think feminism is a man-hating group. If you did your research properly you'd see that feminism started off benign before it got hijacked by the third wave feminists.
Amyprotester 10 months ago
@Amyprotester, you're right, it DID get hijacked. However, did you know that men can be jailed in New York City for several years for making unwanted comments toward women like "Hey, you're drop-dead gorgeous. Can I have your number?"? So that's years of anal rape in punishment for a single sentence like that. And this piece of fascism was rammed through by feminists. No wonder many men think feminism is, and always was, a hate movement, even if it was a positive thing decades ago.
KhagarBalugrak 10 months ago
@KhagarBalugrak
I don't think anyone would be jailed for a pickup line, for constant verbal sexual harassment, would be understandable. Can you also link your source in it being for "years" because they sounds ridiculous and untrue. But you have to understand that while radical feminists may ask for these laws, but it is the people in government (which even you have to admit) are mostly men themselves.
Amyprotester 10 months ago
@Amyprotester, So if radical feminists manage to ram this kind of legislation down the throat of society, it's MEN'S fault?! That's like saying women who were subjugated centuries ago were responsible for their predicament because they themselves, to a great extent, subscribed to the belief that this subjugation was just and right.
What you're doing is blaming the victim. If men are mistreated in Western society because of feminist demands, it's not men's fault. It's feminists' fault.
KhagarBalugrak 10 months ago