I am an expert on the last question and the answer is ONE. Jehovah Bless You. Normally people that worship Jehovah stands-out and ALWAYS get it right. I HAVE BEEN CHECKING ALL RELIGIONS AND ALSO HAVING A BIBLE STUDY.
Also why would Satan tempt God into giving him all the kingdoms of the earth, Mark 1:13; Luke 4:5–8, 13...if God is indeed the creator of the Universe? Also, in James 1:13 says God cannot be tempted. People need to do an in-depth study into the history of the translations of the Bible and the origins of the Trinity.
@TheDirtyBurd Also, had Jesus given into temptation... would he had then killed himself and destroyed mankind because he couldn't resist Satan (a spirit creature which he created)? Its like Jesus saying: "Gee, I cannot even be loyal to myself!"
As clear as you put it and as well as you put this video together people who watch it will still cling to the false teachings of the trinity. But you did make me feel more sane about the fact i believe and worship one god made up of one person and it is the same god that jesus himself worshiped. Keep the good work up!
Seriously. Im a Trinitarian and you need to seriously read ur bible without the watchtower. Like a different bible though and see then. You know the Holy Spirit can Help you right. Im not going to Argue with you because this is just like a muslim saying to me. The bible is a stupid book when he hasnt even read it. Believe what you read not read what u believe God Bless you :) Many Blessing I shall pray that you will have boldness to think for yourself,, Take care. From Australia
Seriously. Im a Trinitarian and you need to seriously read ur bible without the watchtower. Like a different bible though and see then. You know the Holy Spirit can Help you right. Im not going to Argue with you because this is just like a muslim saying to me. The bible is a stupid book when he hasnt even read it. Believe what you read not read what u believe God Bless you :) Many Blessing I shall pray that you will have boldness to think for yourself,, Take care. From Australia
Babylon had a union of three gods who together represented all creation. This Babylonian concept was represented by the same equilateral triangle that represents the trinity concept in Christendom today.
“The prep[osition] w[ith] the gen[itive] describes Christ as the intermediate instrument of creation (Abbott; Lightfoot).”- Cleon L. Rogers Jr. and Cleon L. Rogers III, The New Linguistic and Exegetical Key to the Greek New Testament (Grand Rapids: Zondervan Publishing House, 1998), 461.
“Here [in John 1:3] God the Father is thought of as the original cause of creation, and the lo,goj as the intermediate agent.” -H.E. Dana and Julius R. Mantey, A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament (Upper Saddle River, NJ: Prentice Hall, 1957.), 162.
On the Greek preposition dia (dia) A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature finds the most common meaning to be “through.” BDAG, 225.
“The preposition dia,, is generally used to denote the working of God through some secondary agency, as dia,, tou/ profh,tou, through the prophet (Matt. i. 22, on which see note).” (Marvin Vincent, Word Studies in the New Testament, 4 Volumes [Peabody, MA: Hendrickson Publishers], 2:37).
1) The question is not if Jesus possesses the fullness of deity, but how. For the Trinitarian it is ontologically. For Paul this fullness was possessed by Jesus because of God’s choice. Colossians 1:19 we find this same term pleroma used for that which dwells within Christ, but it is specifically by God’s choosing. This is seen with the word eudokeo in 1:19, which specifically denotes “to consider someth[ing] as good and therefore worthy of choice, consent, determine, resolve.” – BDAG, 404
2) “Paul does not add of the Godhead to the fullness, as in ch. ii. 9, since the word occurs in direct connection with those which describe Christ’s essential nature, and it would seem not to have occurred to the apostle that it could be understood in any other sense than as an expression of the plenitude of the divine attributes and powers.” – Marvin R. Vincent, Word Studies in the New Testament, 4 Volumes (Peabody, MA: Hendrickson Publishers), 3:473.
The NWT did not Add the word other to Col.1:16. The word `other` is a legitimate part of `PAS`. See Luke 21:29 in most translations. The word `other' is obnoxious to trinitarians because it draws attention to the plain Biblical Truth that Jesus is "of creation." Looking at NIV in Col.1:15, they are the ones guilty of adding words to change the meaning. They replaced the word "of" with "over" and adds "his" to fulness. Both alters the meaning because of bias.
And noted trinitarian scholar Dr. William Barclay agrees: “[God’s angels] were thought of as God’s senate; God did nothing without consulting them. For instance, when God said: ‘Let us make man’ (Genesis 1:26), it was to the angel senate that he was speaking.” - p. 17, The Letter to the Hebrews, Revised edition, “The Daily Study Bible Series,” The Westminster Press, 1976.
Call it Trinity or not, I don't see how anyone can deny the deity of Christ- and claim that he is just a mere angel. Read your bible, put down the Watchtower. That false prophet you follow is in direct conflict with the scriptures. Also there is far more support for the Trinity in the bible than you would like to acknowledge. Many, MANY scriptures give Jesus the EXACT same attributes as Yahweh.
Really, this is a poorly made hit job full of logical fallacies, and highlights your profound ignorance of scripture. Don't take that personal, I'm just being objective. Using your same "logic", the Watchtower isn't supported by the bible since it doesn't come right out and say it in black & white. Apply that same "logic" to Jesus being Micheal and many, MANY other JW doctrines.
Acts (28:25) And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the HOLY SPIRIT by Esaias the prophet:
Isaiah (6:8) Then I heard the voice of JEHOVAH saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?” And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”
Paul said it was the Holy Spirit who spoke! Paul was one of the most educated people of his day and a Pharisee of Pharisees, he knew it was Jehovah who spoke to Isaiah making the Holy Spirit God
@epidome Yes, God speaks to us through holy spirit. That spirit may motivate (or "tell") an inspired Bible prophet to write or speak a message originating from God. So God speaks that message to us, and the holy spirit speaks that message to us, and the inspired prophet speaks that message to us, but they are certainly not all the same person, nor are they all the same God! - Prov. 1:23; 2 Pet. 1:21; 2 Tim. 3:16.
When you are talking about the applications of Elohim to Moses and to angels you are not look at the context in which it is contained, in Genesis (1:1) the context is God himself and it is a Hebrew plural there is no getting around this. The application of it to Moses wasn't literal but figurative, that he would be as God to Pharoah not literally become God. Moses was given power to desimate Egypt and Aaron was as his prophet to speak for him since Moses felt inadequate to. It is still a plural.
Matthew (28:19) Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
There is no master worker conclusion or that he has been created. Colossians (1:16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: The NWT had to add the word other 4 times to deny it
The trinitarian `The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology', 1986, Zondervan, (which attempts to show that "Sometimes ... dia seems to express ... the sole cause" and "may be emphasizing the agency, rather than the mediator") has to admit: "On the other hand, in 1 Cor. 8:6 the function of God the Father as the source of creation is distinguished from Christ's role as mediator of creation." - p. 1182, Vol. 3.
I see nothing in Genesis or Is. 6:8 that would indicate plural in nature. Elohim was applied to Moses in Exodus 7:1, Is he also a trinity or to angels in Ps. 82, are they also a trinity?
When God said "let us" do this, it reminds me of Proverbs 8:22-31
It is obvious to me at Gen. 1:26 that Jehovah was speaking to his Master Worker, the first-born of all creation' who was also made in God's image, before commanding him to make man? Col.1:15, Rev.3:14, 1Cor.8:6 Father=Source-Son=agency (dia)
The only conclusion that can be drawn from the Hebrews being monotheistic so far back in history and applying a plural to an individual is that something outside of human reason and concept revealed itself to the Hebrews, we know this because human reason couldn't conceptualize this evident in the fact that no other race on the planet applied a plural to a singular nor was any other race monotheistic either.
The third word in the Genesis (1:1) in the Hebrew canon is Elohim a Hebrew plural. Within its context there is no other meaning to it other than plurality in their concept of deity, this is very significant since no other semetic language applies a plural to any individual or deity. The Hebrews were the first monotheistic race in history, they were also the first race to apply a plural to an individual. This is errefutable and historical.
The Bible consistently identifies God as plural in nature: Genesis (1:26) Then God said,"Let us Make man in our image, in our likeness, Genesis (3:22) And the Lord God said,"The man has now become like on of us, knowing good and evil. Genesis (11:7) Come let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand eachother. Isaiah (6:8) Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying," Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?"
@epidome How does Gen. 1:26 ("Let us make man in our image") provide any real evidence for a three-in-one God??? Our doesn't have to mean three people,it can just as easily be talking about two.Jehovah was speaking to his Master Worker, the first-born of all creation (and, possibly, to the rest of the angels also), who was also made in God's image, before commanding him to make man? It is still Jehovah God alone who created man through his Master Workman, Jesus!
@epidome LOL,...plural in nature? - thats quite a stretch. You say he's talking about himself but the rest of the bible proves there are more beings than God himself in heaven.
@oneworldkingdom, this is true but Genesis (1:26,27) make it impossible for any created being to be included in the Royal Us. You see Elohim is a Hebrew plural unlike the English word for deity being God which is a singular. Elohim is the third word in Genesis (1:1) in the Hebrew canon. No matter where else Elohim is symbolically applied whether to Moses or angels it still doesn't change it being the word for deity in Hebrew and it being a plural
@epidome Gen 1:26,27 - Us is used. Gen 1:1 - God - singular is used. God can use others to accomplish a task. This does not mean that the "others" in which he used are the creators. The creative works still belong to God himself as singular. Gen 1:26,27 - God is certainly speaking about himself and the other heavenly creatures. They, like him, were well aware of right and wrong. There is NOTHING about any of those scriptures suggesting any sort of "deity". You are twisting it to support.
@oneworldkingdom, no need to twist any Scripture to make it fit it clearly speaks for itself and reveals clearly the nature of God. Genesis (1:26,27) cannot include created beings because mankind was made in the image of God therefore no created being can be included in the creation of man! Now I am going to assume that you are a JW if so and you believe the Trinity is clearly not revealed than why in the NWT is the word other inserted in Colossians (1:16,17) against the Greek? Altering!
I am an expert on the last question and the answer is ONE. Jehovah Bless You. Normally people that worship Jehovah stands-out and ALWAYS get it right. I HAVE BEEN CHECKING ALL RELIGIONS AND ALSO HAVING A BIBLE STUDY.
quietsparks1 1 month ago
Also why would Satan tempt God into giving him all the kingdoms of the earth, Mark 1:13; Luke 4:5–8, 13...if God is indeed the creator of the Universe? Also, in James 1:13 says God cannot be tempted. People need to do an in-depth study into the history of the translations of the Bible and the origins of the Trinity.
TheDirtyBurd 3 months ago
@TheDirtyBurd I agree :)
T8D8T 3 months ago
@TheDirtyBurd Also, had Jesus given into temptation... would he had then killed himself and destroyed mankind because he couldn't resist Satan (a spirit creature which he created)? Its like Jesus saying: "Gee, I cannot even be loyal to myself!"
TheDirtyBurd 3 months ago
@TheDirtyBurd Go points ^___^ Thanks 4 the comments.
T8D8T 3 months ago
As clear as you put it and as well as you put this video together people who watch it will still cling to the false teachings of the trinity. But you did make me feel more sane about the fact i believe and worship one god made up of one person and it is the same god that jesus himself worshiped. Keep the good work up!
rynsinnott1 4 months ago
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Seriously. Im a Trinitarian and you need to seriously read ur bible without the watchtower. Like a different bible though and see then. You know the Holy Spirit can Help you right. Im not going to Argue with you because this is just like a muslim saying to me. The bible is a stupid book when he hasnt even read it. Believe what you read not read what u believe God Bless you :) Many Blessing I shall pray that you will have boldness to think for yourself,, Take care. From Australia
cedella212 4 months ago
Seriously. Im a Trinitarian and you need to seriously read ur bible without the watchtower. Like a different bible though and see then. You know the Holy Spirit can Help you right. Im not going to Argue with you because this is just like a muslim saying to me. The bible is a stupid book when he hasnt even read it. Believe what you read not read what u believe God Bless you :) Many Blessing I shall pray that you will have boldness to think for yourself,, Take care. From Australia
cedella212 4 months ago
Babylon had a union of three gods who together represented all creation. This Babylonian concept was represented by the same equilateral triangle that represents the trinity concept in Christendom today.
T8D8T 6 months ago
Colossians 1:16:
“The prep[osition] w[ith] the gen[itive] describes Christ as the intermediate instrument of creation (Abbott; Lightfoot).”- Cleon L. Rogers Jr. and Cleon L. Rogers III, The New Linguistic and Exegetical Key to the Greek New Testament (Grand Rapids: Zondervan Publishing House, 1998), 461.
1biblestudent 6 months ago
“Here [in John 1:3] God the Father is thought of as the original cause of creation, and the lo,goj as the intermediate agent.” -H.E. Dana and Julius R. Mantey, A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament (Upper Saddle River, NJ: Prentice Hall, 1957.), 162.
1biblestudent 6 months ago
On the Greek preposition dia (dia) A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature finds the most common meaning to be “through.” BDAG, 225.
“The preposition dia,, is generally used to denote the working of God through some secondary agency, as dia,, tou/ profh,tou, through the prophet (Matt. i. 22, on which see note).” (Marvin Vincent, Word Studies in the New Testament, 4 Volumes [Peabody, MA: Hendrickson Publishers], 2:37).
1biblestudent 6 months ago
1) The question is not if Jesus possesses the fullness of deity, but how. For the Trinitarian it is ontologically. For Paul this fullness was possessed by Jesus because of God’s choice. Colossians 1:19 we find this same term pleroma used for that which dwells within Christ, but it is specifically by God’s choosing. This is seen with the word eudokeo in 1:19, which specifically denotes “to consider someth[ing] as good and therefore worthy of choice, consent, determine, resolve.” – BDAG, 404
1biblestudent 6 months ago
2) “Paul does not add of the Godhead to the fullness, as in ch. ii. 9, since the word occurs in direct connection with those which describe Christ’s essential nature, and it would seem not to have occurred to the apostle that it could be understood in any other sense than as an expression of the plenitude of the divine attributes and powers.” – Marvin R. Vincent, Word Studies in the New Testament, 4 Volumes (Peabody, MA: Hendrickson Publishers), 3:473.
1biblestudent 6 months ago
The NWT did not Add the word other to Col.1:16. The word `other` is a legitimate part of `PAS`. See Luke 21:29 in most translations. The word `other' is obnoxious to trinitarians because it draws attention to the plain Biblical Truth that Jesus is "of creation." Looking at NIV in Col.1:15, they are the ones guilty of adding words to change the meaning. They replaced the word "of" with "over" and adds "his" to fulness. Both alters the meaning because of bias.
Mtt 28:19 is no proof of Trinity.
1biblestudent 6 months ago
And noted trinitarian scholar Dr. William Barclay agrees: “[God’s angels] were thought of as God’s senate; God did nothing without consulting them. For instance, when God said: ‘Let us make man’ (Genesis 1:26), it was to the angel senate that he was speaking.” - p. 17, The Letter to the Hebrews, Revised edition, “The Daily Study Bible Series,” The Westminster Press, 1976.
T8D8T 6 months ago
Call it Trinity or not, I don't see how anyone can deny the deity of Christ- and claim that he is just a mere angel. Read your bible, put down the Watchtower. That false prophet you follow is in direct conflict with the scriptures. Also there is far more support for the Trinity in the bible than you would like to acknowledge. Many, MANY scriptures give Jesus the EXACT same attributes as Yahweh.
LizardSticker 6 months ago
Really, this is a poorly made hit job full of logical fallacies, and highlights your profound ignorance of scripture. Don't take that personal, I'm just being objective. Using your same "logic", the Watchtower isn't supported by the bible since it doesn't come right out and say it in black & white. Apply that same "logic" to Jesus being Micheal and many, MANY other JW doctrines.
LizardSticker 6 months ago
Acts (28:25) And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the HOLY SPIRIT by Esaias the prophet:
Isaiah (6:8) Then I heard the voice of JEHOVAH saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?” And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”
Paul said it was the Holy Spirit who spoke! Paul was one of the most educated people of his day and a Pharisee of Pharisees, he knew it was Jehovah who spoke to Isaiah making the Holy Spirit God
epidome 6 months ago
@epidome Yes, God speaks to us through holy spirit. That spirit may motivate (or "tell") an inspired Bible prophet to write or speak a message originating from God. So God speaks that message to us, and the holy spirit speaks that message to us, and the inspired prophet speaks that message to us, but they are certainly not all the same person, nor are they all the same God! - Prov. 1:23; 2 Pet. 1:21; 2 Tim. 3:16.
T8D8T 6 months ago
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epidome 6 months ago
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epidome 6 months ago
When you are talking about the applications of Elohim to Moses and to angels you are not look at the context in which it is contained, in Genesis (1:1) the context is God himself and it is a Hebrew plural there is no getting around this. The application of it to Moses wasn't literal but figurative, that he would be as God to Pharoah not literally become God. Moses was given power to desimate Egypt and Aaron was as his prophet to speak for him since Moses felt inadequate to. It is still a plural.
epidome 6 months ago
Matthew (28:19) Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
There is no master worker conclusion or that he has been created. Colossians (1:16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: The NWT had to add the word other 4 times to deny it
epidome 6 months ago
The trinitarian `The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology', 1986, Zondervan, (which attempts to show that "Sometimes ... dia seems to express ... the sole cause" and "may be emphasizing the agency, rather than the mediator") has to admit: "On the other hand, in 1 Cor. 8:6 the function of God the Father as the source of creation is distinguished from Christ's role as mediator of creation." - p. 1182, Vol. 3.
1biblestudent 6 months ago 2
I see nothing in Genesis or Is. 6:8 that would indicate plural in nature. Elohim was applied to Moses in Exodus 7:1, Is he also a trinity or to angels in Ps. 82, are they also a trinity?
When God said "let us" do this, it reminds me of Proverbs 8:22-31
It is obvious to me at Gen. 1:26 that Jehovah was speaking to his Master Worker, the first-born of all creation' who was also made in God's image, before commanding him to make man? Col.1:15, Rev.3:14, 1Cor.8:6 Father=Source-Son=agency (dia)
1biblestudent 6 months ago
The only conclusion that can be drawn from the Hebrews being monotheistic so far back in history and applying a plural to an individual is that something outside of human reason and concept revealed itself to the Hebrews, we know this because human reason couldn't conceptualize this evident in the fact that no other race on the planet applied a plural to a singular nor was any other race monotheistic either.
epidome 6 months ago
The third word in the Genesis (1:1) in the Hebrew canon is Elohim a Hebrew plural. Within its context there is no other meaning to it other than plurality in their concept of deity, this is very significant since no other semetic language applies a plural to any individual or deity. The Hebrews were the first monotheistic race in history, they were also the first race to apply a plural to an individual. This is errefutable and historical.
epidome 6 months ago
The Bible consistently identifies God as plural in nature: Genesis (1:26) Then God said,"Let us Make man in our image, in our likeness, Genesis (3:22) And the Lord God said,"The man has now become like on of us, knowing good and evil. Genesis (11:7) Come let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand eachother. Isaiah (6:8) Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying," Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?"
epidome 6 months ago
@epidome How does Gen. 1:26 ("Let us make man in our image") provide any real evidence for a three-in-one God??? Our doesn't have to mean three people,it can just as easily be talking about two.Jehovah was speaking to his Master Worker, the first-born of all creation (and, possibly, to the rest of the angels also), who was also made in God's image, before commanding him to make man? It is still Jehovah God alone who created man through his Master Workman, Jesus!
T8D8T 6 months ago
@epidome The plural ‘us,’ ‘our’...probably refers to the divine beings who compose God’s heavenly court (1 Kg. 22:19; Job 1:6).” - Gen. 1:26
T8D8T 6 months ago
@epidome LOL,...plural in nature? - thats quite a stretch. You say he's talking about himself but the rest of the bible proves there are more beings than God himself in heaven.
oneworldkingdom 4 months ago
@oneworldkingdom, this is true but Genesis (1:26,27) make it impossible for any created being to be included in the Royal Us. You see Elohim is a Hebrew plural unlike the English word for deity being God which is a singular. Elohim is the third word in Genesis (1:1) in the Hebrew canon. No matter where else Elohim is symbolically applied whether to Moses or angels it still doesn't change it being the word for deity in Hebrew and it being a plural
epidome 4 months ago
@epidome Gen 1:26,27 - Us is used. Gen 1:1 - God - singular is used. God can use others to accomplish a task. This does not mean that the "others" in which he used are the creators. The creative works still belong to God himself as singular. Gen 1:26,27 - God is certainly speaking about himself and the other heavenly creatures. They, like him, were well aware of right and wrong. There is NOTHING about any of those scriptures suggesting any sort of "deity". You are twisting it to support.
oneworldkingdom 4 months ago
@oneworldkingdom, no need to twist any Scripture to make it fit it clearly speaks for itself and reveals clearly the nature of God. Genesis (1:26,27) cannot include created beings because mankind was made in the image of God therefore no created being can be included in the creation of man! Now I am going to assume that you are a JW if so and you believe the Trinity is clearly not revealed than why in the NWT is the word other inserted in Colossians (1:16,17) against the Greek? Altering!
epidome 3 months ago