Theistic Evolution is good

[jonnymac93]

would you agree that god created man on the last of the 6 days? (it doesnt matter if these are literal or not) if so then you must also agree (as a christian) that death and sin entered the world AFTER adam and eve sinned, therefore after adam and eve were created. for evolution to occur it needs death, that is not disputed. therefore death would need to occur before adam and eve were created and as a result before death entered the world. that means your argument is nonsensical

[dfpolis]

Good video. You could use a bit more light.

[jordler]

smart kid thumbs up

[iiiwideopen]

If it is a spiritual death, is it a spiritual resurrection only?

[qwertysonic]

God said that He created the heavens the earth the sea and all that is in them in 6 days - Exodus  20:11, The only refute to evolution a Christian needs.

[usernameofnobody]

At last an inteligent Christian on Youtube!

[ukchristian28]

I love Kabane's old videos:).

I am not a YEC, but there is a weakness in this video. All of the examples given of suffering and death are after the fall. YECs would say those are the result of the curse that followed. God did not create it that way. Suffering and death before the fall remains the biggest problem for for any old earth position. As an Old earther, I have to acknowledge that.

[bbsmthmuffinman]

@ukchristian28

Please explain further what you mean

[christsapologist]

hey posted a vid response look at it

[ESTONIAisTHEbest]

Are you jokeing me, HAHAAHAA.

[ironmountain28]

Kbane first things first. If evolution is true what is a "living fossil"? The word controdicts it's self. Nothing can be alive and a fossil. Secondly give me one example of Macro-evolution? God used animals for atonement of sin. The bible is a literal book everything except a parable. If you have a bible it will tell you if a parable is used. You cannot use evolution with the bible they are not able to be used to support eachother

[LittleTruckingBozo]

"If evolution is true"

It is.

"what is a "living fossil"?"

You and I and any thing alive.

"The word controdicts it's self"

That's because its not a real word. It's a explanatory made up word.

"Secondly give me one example of Macro-evolution?"

Raphanobrassica

[bbsmthmuffinman]

@ironmountain28

Species go extinct, and we find new species every day - Macro Evolution

"The Bible is a literal book" I can't disagree more..

Deut 5:15 - A literal arm?

1 Samuel 2:8 - Earth on pillars?

Luke 3:38 - Are we biological Sons of God?

Did God lie when He said "on that day thou shalt surely die" and then Adam & Eve did not die that day, but 900 years later?

Either a) God lied, or b) God meant something other than the strictly literal truth with that statement. What do you believe?

[LelouchViBritannia1]

@bbsmthmuffinman God is a lier thanks for pointing that out.

[Happymanwithahat]

But if evolution is the process by which god created man that means natural selection never occurred, only divine selection occurred. Which makes evolution a terrible system to use when you could easily just flat out create something. Also god knows everything that will happen therefore there is no freewill.

[benalissa284632]

Theistic Evolution? there is no Theistic Evolution just as there is no Theistic Gravity or Theistic Electromagnetism

[benalissa284632]

theistic evolution what a joke

[benalissa284632]

im suprise a christian would defend the idea that god use evolution to get us here the struggle for life isn't a game this a cruel god so did god make the lion with the instinct of tearing the guts out of the zebra and said it was good? this doesn't seem like the christian god who holds the little lamb in his arm, this is a cruel god a satan worse than anything is a god use this process,

[Fourgiven99]

great to see a a young yet increddibly smart theistic evolutionist on youtube. your videos on the ressurection are amazing and your knowledge on evolution is increddible.

But I disagree with you that genesis is not literal or that god says that he created everything in 6 days but did it another way. I think that genesis 1 is completely compatible with evolution and even supports it. Im new on youtube so my first video will probably about genesis from an evolutionary perspective

[jankydan]

Well, what happened to the prior species? Theistic evolution leaves too many answers that I imagine theistic evolution proponents cannot answer.

[benalissa284632]

you can't believe in evolution and christianity thats absurd i thought before adam and eve that death never existed animals didn't eat other isa 11:6 i think that position is very dishonest you can't have both either give up christianity or convert to deism, atheism christians now get to pick and chose whats alleogry, symbolic i think thats riduclous just because something is in contradiction it's symbolic so god made natural selection requires lots of killing god is evil

[worldlystone]

interesting video!

[DiMagRocks]

I should obviously agree with you, as I too am a TE'ist. And I do.

A lot of creationists try to make God comprehendable. Most theistic evolutionist can understand that, and that is why their image of God is just so much wiser, so much more complex, and makes nature all the more wonderful.

And I think there was a definite purpose of evolution. Creationism would leave little room for Science, which is the revelation of how we came to be (not entirely Science, but you get what I mean.)

[rixploding]

RIGHT ON my friend! Don't ever listen to those that say you "can't have both". Obsiously, our God is greater than any of the god-s people love to put limitations on. Philosophical questions and counter arguments will ALWAYS exist, regardless of the side u take. So soldier on, examine the Lord's creation with the reason He gave you, and at the same time look into your heart and be mindful of the ultimate proof for the existence of God: His RELATIONSHIP with us.

[alexross8]

historical evolution is never theory , maybe evolution in science terms , but scientists alreay proved that creatures did evolve

[bizeedoinnuffin]

It seems far less likely that the bible would not agree with something it does not mention rather that something it does. Especially when it was not originally written as poetry in the original manuscripts.

AND .... WHY WAS THERE DEATH BEFORE SIN??????

[rosenor8780]

if God set in motion a complex set of laws that gave rise to diversity and order, that's even more amazing than creation imo.

[poptartcranberries]

Great work kid. Other points I think there are is that the Bible doesn't mention anywhere that animals didn't die before Adam. Plus why blame all the sin on Adam, we know that Satan sinned way before Adam ever did so why would someone give Adam all the credit? Anyways I agree with you and hope more people would open up to this view to end this unnecessary war on Evolution.

[gaw18]

you have very good rants i enjoy them

what is cromosome 2?

and

srry but im a creationist

[mwilcox00]

My Friend, Genesis 1:1, In the Beginning God created the heavens and the earth...that's it man. No argument. I understand that you are probably seeking to know the truth. The truth is right here. Read the Bible. It's all true. Praying for you..I trust the Lord will speak to you.

[stuartwwillis]

warped fairy tales from an old book, i could write one now which says an amazing pop culture sensation known world wide called britney spears parted the atlantic ocean...its your mind looking for an answer, i believe the bible does however teach good values that get you through life, however thats all it is.

[thesmithsonian1]

You are awesome, thanks for this video! It irritates me when people insist that you must choose either God or evolution, because that's not the case at all! :)

[ScrubsTheOpera]

Nice work kid! I completely agree with you.

[CHASCHARLTON]

sorry Tommy you cant have it both ways you cant have your cake and eat it. You have to make a choice evolution or God!

[eenger]

ill side with evolution. Creationists need their heads checked.

[spatula5]

I hope Jesus will bless your life.

[trentley101]

Particle physics wasnt mentioned in the bible because it was only theorized in the last 100 years. There have been people who postulated atoms 300 bc (lucippus and democritos) These guys theorized about atoms on a purely logical bases as an indivisable minimum to counter an argument that matter is infinitely divisable and essentiall immaterial.

[trentley101]

All of this discourse is theoretical, even evolution. I admire youre your young imagination, its your greatest gift, but know that it always goes astray when it transcends experience. We didint necessarily come from a transitional creature. Even if we did, where were the discontinuities and most importantly what caused them???

[trentley101]

You gotta understand that the guy youre responding to is probably a meth head trying to take your money for his next fix. Dont take anything crackers like this say literally, theyre just trying to control you. Even the evolutionists. Although they have more compelling 'evidence' than the dogmatic churchleaders whom were already suspect of bulshitting us. Dont compare evolution to creation, its where everyone on this topic goes wrong.

[siIentmatt]

Excellent stuff, kiddo.

[flipaddo]

I thought when I first saw you, " Are you as dumb as you look "

Then you started talking and I knew you where.

WAKE UP AND STOP EATING !!!!

[deansny]

you are a smart kid, keep up the good work!

[jaredplane]

No. The Hebrew can have more than one meaning for certain words. However, this word is used frequently in scripture for other passages that are obviously 24-hour days. How long was Jesus in the grave? Jonah in the fish? What about the purification rituals in Leviticus? After 7 days you'll be clean again... is that 7 days or 7 million years. I say it again, what the Bible says is what it means. I just read it.

[jaredplane]

Tommy, I don't worship the same God that you do. "The Bible says 6 days, but science says different. Therefore the Bible is wrong!" No, the Bible is perfect: see 2 Timothy 3:16. There's nothing wrong with the Bible. Maybe there is something wrong with your science. I don't interpret the Bible in any way. I just read it. If it says 6 days (yom), it means 6 days.

[Kabane52]

Yom can mean age. The Bible is perfect. It can be interpreted in different ways though.

[theskepticantidote]

yes and to interpret you need to know how...do you know how? or are you taking the opinion of your own or others and placing them into the bible.

[JAKEHARRIS281]

@Kabane52 The Scriptures pinned by the Authors are inerrant but the Bible and other translations are not. The Bible translated the Greek Gehenna as Hell. Gehenna was a city dump outside of Jerusalem. Back in the 1600s when the KJV was translated hell meant "to cover; or conceal." That definition does not equate with Gehenna which was a geographical location. And in other places words are completely left out. But nevertheless I do read the KJV. And today hell doesn't even mean to cover.

[bbsmthmuffinman]

@jaredplane

Sigh standard Creationism...

Does it have to be literal to be true?

What were the parables that Jesus taught? They were figurative meant for theological messages...

Genesis 1 and 2 are allegories and are meant to tell us WHY we were created, not HOW (scientifically)

we do worship the same God YHWH we just interpret it figuratively...does it need to be literal to be true?

Deut 5:15 - Obviously God didn't use a literal ARM...

there are many occurances of figurative usage..

[JAKEHARRIS281]

@jaredplane Actually out of the 2,000 plus times the Hebrew 'yom' is used in the O.T. it's virtually NEVER used to denote a 24 hour day, but rather a period of TIME that can be short or very long, which is why it is sometimes translated as YEARS in the O.T. And just so you know one language (Hebrew, Greek) CANNOT be translated PERFECTLY into another language such as English. Not possible, so yeah the Scriptures are infallible but translation will have there errors.

[themoderateextremist]

nice.

[mbouw21]

good job with these arguments

[emdproductions]

Everytime yom has been used it was in reference to a day. Especially when the modification "morning and the evening" and "The first" are added. There is only one time yom is used that it's questionable if it's referring to a day or not. That's when it's talking about the "Day of the Lord"

[hazyb71]

4) This isn't biblical. Jesus died a physical death on the cross and rose again in the physical form. If it was what you say it was, then we aren't completely saved.

5) My point still stands.

[hazyb71]

1) You can interpret it in whatever way you want, it still means what it says. God created everything in 6 literal days.

3) God sentenced humanity with the death penalty. We see him kill many in the flood as judgment. Death was also unleashed on certain Hebrews in the desert with Moses, the ones who complained a lot. Some guy broke the sabbath and bears killed him.

[AnarchoNationalist]

Day in the bible is translated from the Hebrew word Yowm. Yowm has been translated as day, time, ever, always, continually, when, as, while, and even whole.

[theskepticantidote]

yes, you are right, any exegetical viewing of the bible you will find that in confirms 6 day creation. You can wiggle all you want.

[hazyb71]

3) When God used death it was always as a punishment. God wouldn't use death on the innocent to bring forth man.

4)It nullifies the need of the death of Christ because death reigned before sin. Death is mentioned as an enemy. God will restore things with eternal life (for animals too)

5) There is no evidence. Just misinterpretations and imaginations. Wishful thinking masqueraded as science. Evidence for how it might've happened isn't evidence that it did.

[Kabane52]

3. Prove this with a Bible verse

4. This makes no sense. Christ conquered spiritual death, not physical death

5. Oh please. Dont be so ignorant.

[hazyb71]

1) Even satan can misinterpret scripture, the question isn't what does it say, the question is do you believe what it says? Exodus reaffirms it's 6 literal days. The modifiers "morning and the evening THE first day" ensure it is a 24 hour period. How is this allegorically interpreted anyway? It's still the opposite of evolution. Birds were created before reptiles.

[Kabane52]

I lean away from Day-Age Creationism and more towards the poetic description.

[bbsmthmuffinman]

@hazyb71

I agree, read LITERALLY the authors intended for it as 7 24 hour periods...

But look theologically!

It was written to remind us of the Sabbath and for a movement back to God ... as stated in Evodus

Don't argue using literalism when we discard that for Genesis 1 and 2

[hazyb71]

@bbsmthmuffinman

The theological and literal interpretation aren't at odds against each other. God created in the way that He did so Moses could write what he did so we could have a model for the Sabbath. You're reading evolution into the text. I'm letting the text speak for itself. That's how I see it.

[killbot9]

When you get older you will eventually get over your fear of "god" and realize what your saying is nonsense.

[qwevu]

how do you know that the scientific evidence disprove the creation and proves that evolution did happend?God can do whatever He wants with His creation.could you tell me why there are still monkeys around the world today? Aren't they all supposed to evolve to humans? And about the fossil records, who made these records? who had been qualified enough to certify that these fossil records are evidence of evolution? Its an imagination.why are humans still humans after millions of years? You fools!

[Kabane52]

1 There are monkeys because we didnt evolve from them, but we share a common ancestor

2. Populations evolve not individuals

3. Paleontologists discover transitionals

[friendofdarwin]

Theistic evolution is a way for otherwise intelligent people to desperately hold onto their faith while admitting that the Bible is not 100% literal or true. In order to hold this view it requires one to justify why or how one passage in the bible can be false while another is true, even though the bible states that the word of God is PERFECT. Applying some meaning or purpose to evolution is to deny it's fundamental nature and beauty.

[1337Ideaman]

I think its funny how Hovind says that evolution somehow makes god less powerful yet taking 6 days instead of an instant universe doesn't make him any less powerful.

i am btw an atheist but i just thought that if he was going to take any amount of time to create life 6 days is no different than 4.5 billion years. Hovinds always good for a laugh.

[Kabane52]

1. Interpret the Bible through outer evidence.

2. God heals thru humans.

3. The Bible says that God made skin clothes for Adam and Eve. It doesnt specify an animal.

[TheLoadedQuestion]

1. What else should we arbitrarily decide to interpret non-literaly? How about Jesus' birth? Moses' existence? The crucifixion? Was Jesus "symbolically" beaten half to death then nailed to wooden posts and "figuratively" stabbed with a spear?

2. You cannot use science to defend the bible. It also says humans can heal people with touches and animals talk.

3. What animal did he kill when adam and eve sinned? You need to study your religion. There's no need to watch the rest.