Rob Bell - Leviticus

[OneFaithMinistries]

ROB BELL = HERETIC

[candiceevans1]

the lamb was for you? heresy this mman better watch out hell end up like harold camping unable to speak fr teaching false doctrine

[Den12tribe]

This is nothing but a FALSE, CONVENIENT gospel to please the masses and embrace every SIN....We are commanded to love all, and pray for everyone's salvation, but there canNOT be any compromise, I hope these convoluted leaders enjoy their short time of fame, that's what this is all about!

ANYTHING FOR ATTENTION!!!!

[fatmeteor]

He talked about Leviticus being a point that showed a relation between god and the people of that time. The crucifixion was at another time, and most likely in the eyes of Rob Bell, related to an evolved dynamic between sacrifice, god and those doing the sacrificing. Keep in mind that the people who arranged for his death didn't do it to be closer to god, and so it can't be viewed through the usual prism of sacrifice. The sacrifice was for god to make, not people.

[Cutie9326]

@fatmeteor That would also mean that God saves us from Himself when in fact, He saves us from ourselves, sin, evil and death. Yet most people today are so foolish as to believe that God poured His wrath upon His Son to appease His fury and thirst for blood like one of those insane evil pagan "god". When in fact, God was reconciling the whole world unto Himself and pouring His love to us along with His blood. Many people don't get Him at all yet...

[PeopleInTheFlesh]

i love rob bell's heart. he is right on. if the lamb of god was for God then that would mean God is an evil, angry, murder that hates his own creation. The lamb IS for us NOT for God. Jesus, the lamb of God, did not die for God, he died for US. God is, and always has been - Love.

[Cutie9326]

@PeopleInTheFlesh You got it exactly right...

[PeopleInTheFlesh]

i love rob bell's heart. he is right on. if the lamb of god was for God then that would mean God is an evil, angry, murder that hates his own creation. The lamb IS for us NOT for God. Jeus, the lamb of God, did not die for God, he died for US. God is, and always has been - Love.

[Nightwing20]

@PeopleInTheFlesh Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." We should all be dead after one sin. And before, Paul mentions that we were SLAVES to sin. Sin makes God angry, and even though God is love, love is NOT God. God is a God of wrath as well, and He's also just. Rob Bell and EVERYONE ELSE needs to read Hebrews ch. 9 to understand the purpose behind Leviticus. But the point is, Jesus died to redeem ourselves from God

[Cutie9326]

@Nightwing20 You really need to wake. People are born with a sin nature through no fault of their own because Adam ate some fruit millions of years ago. As in Adam all died, in Christ all shall be made alive. Because of the disobedience of one man, the many were made sinners, by the obedience of one man, the same the many who died in Adam were made righteous.You should study early church history and find out for yourself what was the prevailing doctrine in the Christian church for its first 500

[Nightwing20]

@Cutie9326 yes! I agree! Did you read what I wrote?! lol you totally are agreeing with me. You're describing the wrath of God and what Jesus had to do to redeem us. Because of God's grace giving us Jesus we are redeemed to Him. I believe that whole heartily. BUT, Rob Bell is taking that aspect away and just saying that God loves us and there is no punishment for sin. Again, Rob Bell is a heretic. I'm disagreeing with Rob Bell, NOT Jesus Christ.

[Cutie9326]

@Nightwing20 Nothing to do with God's wrath, you so don't get it. It was man's wrath. Man was angry with God, man turned His back on God. God never turned His back on man and never ceased to love man. When Jesus died on the cross, God was in Him reconciling the world unto Himself, not reconciling Himself unto the world. God appease man's wrath by sacrificing His Son and Jesus died on the cross to reconcile us to God not to reconcile God to us (see 2 Corinthians and Colossains 1).

[Cutie9326]

@Nightwing20 The "punishment" is according to our deeds. And that's CHASTISEMENT. Rob Bell is not a heretic. Rob Bell is much closer to the prevailing doctrine in the Christian church for its first five hundred years. Hell is a false doctrine, a pagan myth and a lie and is nowhere found in the original languages of the Bible. Augustine brought it into the church along with pagans (unconverts). The Roman Catholic church is full of heresies and pagan stuff. Damnationists are heretics...

[Nightwing20]

@Cutie9326 To say that Hell is a false doctrine is taking away the purpose of Christ's death and resurrection. Man sinned against God. The wages of sin is death. Christ took all that upon himself as propitiation for our sins. We are no longer under God's wrath, but we still will be judged for our actions. Those who do not believe in Jesus will suffer for eternity. Revelation 19 and 20 talks about this. God is love, but love is not God. He will separate those who follow Him and deny Him.

[Cutie9326]

@Nightwing20 You should study early church history and find out for yourself what was the prevailing doctrine in the Christian church for its first 500 years. It is finished. Don't you dare to call Christ a liar...

[Nightwing20]

@Cutie9326 I'm not calling Christ a liar at all. Quite the opposite in fact. But I am saying that Rob Bell is a heretic.

[Cutie9326]

@Nightwing20 You're calling Christ a liar. The Word of God (Jesus Christ) says that God will have ALL men saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. Jesus also say that the Father's will (what He wants) is ALWAYS done. Jesus also says that He (Jesus) ALWAYS does the will of the Father. Do the math. Jesus redeemed us all 2000 years ago. It is finished. YOU are calling Christ a liar...

[Sarahties]

Oh, this 3 minute interview told me all i needed to know about rob bell. The man's missing the sin concept.

[Shoots1978]

All I can say is, WHAT!!!

[Icannottolerateit]

Yahweh is not angry?

[Cutie9326]

@Icannottolerateit Read the Bible. His anger endures but for a moment, His mercy endures forever. He is love and love never fails. He reconciled the whole world back unto Himself. He is no longer holding their sins against them. "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth will draw (drag in the Greek) ALL mankind unto myself." "It is finished". By the obedience of one man, the many who died in Adam were constituted righteous. True Gospel. Hit my channel for more infos...

[Cutie9326]

@Icannottolerateit Lots of words were mistranslated in our english translations. Like Sheol, Hades, Gehenna, Tartarus, Aion, Aionian, Krisis, etc. Study early church history and find out for yourself what was the prevailing doctrine in the church for its first five hundred years. The word "hell" and even the concept of hell is nowhere found in the original languages of the Bible. Hit the tentmaker777 channel and contact Gary Amirault. See for yourself...

[Nightwing20]

@Cutie9326 which is to say that Rob Bell is wrong, and shouldnt be allowed to preach.

[thegoochieguy]

what primitive bullshit

[dhridhri]

Lev 1:3-4 reads 'If the offering is a burnt offering from the herd, he is to offer a male without defect. He must present it at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting so that it will be acceptable to the LORD. He is to lay his hand on the head of the burnt offering, and it will be accepted on his behalf to make atonement for him.'

Rob claims the lamb is for us to show that atonement has already been made. Lev 1 shows that Rob is talking nonsense!!

[ELTAROBUD]

I love the way Rob teaches , It gives me something to relate to and gives me the information and bible verses to study after watching the dvds . Very effective , I think . We use them often in our church and school , and they're a hit every time .

[ZAPdontlook]

this guy is really good at what he does.

[fcolon08]

no ur wrong, God made the first sacrifice in Genesis, for us, it was after the First sin, of adam and eve, and it was a lion. It was to cover our sin and our nakedness. so God showed us how to make sacrifice to Him after our sin so that we would have forgiveness in Him. So why are you guys fighting against Rob's teaching and wasting breath? Go and preach the Gospel to nonbelievers rather than contending with each other.

[zero33AD]

WHY DO WE NEED SOMETHING NEW ALL THE TIME ROB??! The true church has believed the gospel for centuries right the way back to Jesus. We dont need this 'human narrative' nonsense, just get back to the Bible. Look at what Godly people have believed for years and Rob's twisting of scripture seems very amateur, and downright dangerous.

[abien777]

Cast your fears on the Lord, lean not on your own understanding. Just because it doesn't work for you, it doesn't mean God isn't a part of it, yes it might be man's translation but just because it is in printed form doesn't mean we don't speak the word in a narrative form to someone who would understand the "King James Version". What do think people thought when KJV came out? That's not Hebrew or Greek right? Just pray without ceasing.

[prodsmash2]

Rob's ideas are very problematic. He suggests that the Jews were doing a new thing when they opted to sacrifice lambs instead of humans. But the fact is in every known culture throughout history animals were sacrificed - including lambs. Not every culture or society sacificed humans in any case. So there is nothing new here at all. It is utterly specious to suggest that Leviticus registers a new moment in human "sacificial" history.

[JullenaBurcham]

........... missed the point.

[amk131313]

@prodsmash2 If you'll listen closely to what he says here (and watch the video "The gods Aren't Angry") you'll see that he never claims that lamb sacrifice was new or that all cultures sacrificed humans. What was revolutionary about the Jewish religion was, in part, that worshippers could know exactly where you stood with God. The lamb sacrifice wasn't new, but knowing that sacrificing the lamb put you in right relationship with God was.

[prodsmash2]

Thank you for this response, but I beg to differ with you! First let me say that I am a Christian believer, so you're not talking about theological issues that i wouldn't be in sympathy with. The fact is though that when pagans offered animal sacrifices they too believed they were getting into right relationship with God vis-a-vis forgiveness of sin etc. Nothing new here. Listen to Rob again then re-read my initial comments. I have heard Rob correctky and disagree with his angle.

[BroJustin]

Dreadful. Another gospel altogether. Because of this sort of thing lucaslabrador (dot) net exists.

[dbarnett191]

i love it when you can see and hear that a person is doing the career they were made to do!

[benitosuave]

The lamb is Jesus, Rob.

Leviticus is about showing man how sinful he is and offering terms of peace with him.

The sacrificial system is in preparation for Jesus as sacrifice.

[zero33AD]

amen!

[fcolon08]

and how does this differ in any way shape or form what Rob is saying?? stop contending with Him when you know not what you are fighting about. All you are doing is bringing division in the Church of God. pray to the Holy Spirit for divine direction and stop leading others into confusion. Rob Bell is not the antichrist or preaching some false message. Hold your tongue, and do not blaspheme against men and women of God.

[benitosuave]

Rob specifically said, "The lamb isn't for God... it's for you." Christians call Jesus their pass over lamb, because he actually accomplished reconciliation to God through the cross. If these lambs were not for reconciling man to God but rather for letting you know that God was already not angry (this is Rob's point), then Jesus death on the cross too is just showing that God already was not angry. This is not the gospel.

[Cutie9326]

@benitosuave *Sarcastic* Yeah, because the TRUE Gospel is preaching about a wrathful, angry God who punishes imperfect, flawed human beings for making mistakes or failing to do the right thing or believing the right thing, finite people, with endless punishment for finite sins that have finite consequences. You should study early church history and find out for yourself what was the prevailing doctrine in the Christian church for its first five hundred years...

[benfmordecai]

@Cutie9326 I don't want to get into a bickering contest about who knows their history. I just want for everyone to know the true gospel of Jesus.

"The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost." 1 Timothy 1:15

The mission of Jesus on earth was to save sinners like me, not to affirm that we were already ok. He does it because he loves us, not because he hates us.

[iMentieth]

@benitosuave I don't think it's either/or. Christ as the sacrificial lamb is both the reconciling price to bring us back into communion with God, but also the confidence we have that we are united again with God. I think Jesus as the lamb of God is for God - in dealing with wrath - and for us - in giving us salvation, and confidence in salvation. Confidence in Jesus' saving work is precisely Faith.

[abien777]

I agree with you, I worked at a C. bk store and witnessed 1st hand of various churches of the SAME FAITH, talking about 1 another!? God must be saying "What are you doing?" If we are all a part of His Body, then why does 1 hand reach out to someone for Jesus and the other hand comes out of nowhere and smacks the new believer out of it to gain it for the same faith and God! People need to relax, Rob Bell is responsible for Rob Bell in the sight of God, just pray for him that he's hearing right.

[USNavyman09]

absolutely agree ,..i have no problem with this

[Viciousd]

This man is brilliant.

[smithtonchurchyf]

Leviticus displays the holiness of God... it's very relevant for America in the 21st century.