any one have a problem with democratizing public spaces? Taken to the extreme, Majority rule means minorities' rights are subject to the collective will... Or mob if you will.
This was a real eye opener for me. I'm from another country btw, and I didn't realise that other countries also face this problem of apathy. Its a good thing that the younger population is getting more and more politically aware now because of social media :) Sadly though, even now people are still not active in voicing their opinions and still follow the "majority"
If you've been motivated by this video as much as I have, please share it! Our accumulated efforts will not go to waste!
Creative presentation. Like the Nike ad. But, as standalone I can't say I thought much of it. It places responsibility on Gov & despite saying 'leadership comes from within' it absolves the individual from responsibility. I don't believe Gov bodies '...actively discourage...' involvement. They are guilty of not updating on how people like to get info. Not everything can be put in bite sized chunks. We could accuse them of leaving out vital info?
Democratizing public space in my experience, means occupying it and most canadians have never seen a squat or barricades before (aside from the ones put there by the city or transportation department).
People usually have irrational hostile reactions to things they've never seen before. Therefore, keep occupying public spaces for a couple decades, until people aren't completely baffled by the sight of direct action anymore.
A lot of people base their vote on irrelevant peripheral issues, like that parties position on the census or gun registration...But the government decides much more than that, foreign policy, public policy, education, health care, etc etc... The system doesn't work, it's broken.
The most pathetic thing about Canadian politics is that the general population are actually ignorant who they vote, and are absolutely convinced that the system is not broken, so they continue to vote conservative :|
I hope I'm not ignoring the point of this video, but there ought to be a test to make sure you actually understand what parties represent before you vote. What is even more important than the number of people who vote, is the educated people who vote, in my opinion.
Only 20k views, not even close to viral. Whats wrong you 1100 likes? Is this just not good enough to share and spread? What is some magic Efairy suppose to make it viral by magic?? Why be apathetic? lol
I totally thought he was talking about the US 'til he actually mentioned Canada.
Unlike a lot of other posters, I actually agree with his assessment of "heroes". I mean, how many King Arthur stories can you possibly write? Yeah, the hero has to slog through the plot, but the point he's making is that the hero was picked, he didn't pick himself. Since no one actually lobs scimitars at would-be kings anymore, the model isn't particularly helpful if you WANT to be a hero these days.
A heroic effort is a 'collective' one? I call bullshit! Certainly it 'can' be collective, but in fact it usually is not. This guy is clearly injecting his own politics.
And the main reason people don't vote is because there is no "none of the above" option on the ballot. WE do not consent to THEIR social contract.
While I do think it's awesome that one of my favorite fandoms of all time, Sailor Moon, got mentioned, it's also worth saying that sometimes people "awaken" to leadership and roles in which they can change the world--it takes a push, but the ability to act is within them all along. This takes place in Sailor Moon, and in many of the other stories mentioned!
OMG so important. Local involvement is important well, because individuals matter a great deal more. But in spite of being more connected to society in general, we've regressed in participation in government. I'm not participating in government by commenting on this youtube video, but the spirit is the same and we're spending those energies on things that don't change the way our country is run.
lol what a shallow an myopic speech. seven minutes is only enough time to MENTION topics that are relevant to the topic. anyone pretending to be inspired by these little soundbites is living in a world of masturbatory self-righteousness. what a joke.
some of this is due to marketing.... advertising which mostly insults any one with any bit of intelligence. they make adds assault you in the face to get your attention and money..
this guy isnt on the mark in my opinion. people are self centered
Meslin's argument is not new (Chomsky, for one, has been saying such things for decades) but this is an excellent presentation delivered with both humour and passion. Although the examples are Canadian, the message is universal.
My desire to see this go viral, and effort I put forth, doesn't seem to be baring fruit. There is 10880 views (at the time of this comment) whereas it should have at least 10X that, and desirably 100X that. Do your part if you loved this like I did and share it! Share it on FB, through other youtube channels, favorite, email it, lets see that everyone who might need some redefining in their lives be shown this.
I completely agree with what he said about the voting system here. It makes no sense to me: We don't choose who we want as prime minister, we only get to choose who runs our riding. I want to vote NDP, but I'm fine with the the Liberal rep we have, moreover, I don't even know who the NDP candidate in my area is..
I don't want Ignatieff to win, and Harper needs to go.
A thing to take into account is that along with the decrease of interestest in old forms of political participation, interest in alternative ones have been increasing explosively. These include activist protests, political consumption choices and even vandalism as new forms of political participation. It is not that people don't care, they do; they just don't vote solely at the votingbooth anymore, they now vote with their wallets and their time and not just in a votingbooth.
really nice. apathy is brought about by the collection of experience in our society. the government, media and the education system has a lot to do in shaping a caring environment
That's a really great talk. One thing I'd like to say is that politics of all sorts rules much of Canada, not just at the official political level but internally in organizations, and it's become cultural. While it's true that the leader of a minority government is by definition not chosen by most Canadians, it's a reflection of how varied Canadians are in their political choices. The real joke of Canadian politics is the campaigning and juvenile behavior in parliament. Blech.
I see a vast number of selfish people, also many who are lazy and stupid. Just Look at the climate change: we're selfishly taking from future generations.
Thank you, Dave. Finally, our nations apparent affliction explained. Let's do it: identify, dismantle and rebuild. Will Canada's 21st century Tommy Douglas please stand up....
This guy appearently put some thought into this but his conclusion is just weak tea masterbation. Who paid for this guy to do this "research"? I think I'll present a talk on how snow makes the ground wet and present it as cutting edge insight.
There need to be more play-do electric circuit presentations and far less career social science students saying whats been said by much better intelects for 200 years. I hope tax dollars did't pay for that drivel...just joking of course it did.
@magega It's been said by much better intelects for 200 years yet we're still geting fucked in the ass by our government. I think talks like these "dumb it down" so that everyone can get the message. This is amore direct way of putting forward the ideas.
Finally, insulting somebody who is doing something good shows nothing but the insecurities in your heart. Let us be united as a species and stop the hate.
Bob Marley said it better than nobody else: One Love
@elchafa I find it interesting that you saying it needs to be dumbed down, as if it need to be, implies the opposite of what this dude said in the video:"other" people are not stupid. Dumbing it down weakens the point. I would rather he said what you did about the ass rape than make humorous remarks about gov. paperwork.
In that sense he is not doing good.
If it's an insult, i could find nothing else to say, but felt the need to say something. Not sure what I'm insecure about, maybe 677 likes?
@MUSLIMSareCHOMOS Seriously? Global Warming manmade? The polar caps are not melting? The climate is not changing? No earthquakes and tsunamis everywhere in a more often fashion in the last say 8 years?
@MUSLIMSareCHOMOS And secondly, I never said Global Warming was man made. Please read my first comment again and you'll see how irrational your response (attack) was. Let's be caring, curious, peaceful people please.
@elchafa sorry.. hot tempered hypomaniac here... not used to sarcasm posted by someone other than myself... Global Warming... captialized to emphasise the branding involved... lol sorry.
Ever notice how news stories about controversial bills virtually never, ever mention the actual bill number? That pisses me off to no end when I'm trying to find the actual text or voting record. Yet another barrier to entry...
@Nupetiet Here's another barrier, when someone criticizes what the government is doing they are deemed unpatriotic and not supporting the troops... I'm sure we can go on for ever with naming barriers.
@Neanderthalcouzin Yeah, and everyone is one drought or famine away from death. I prefer a limited, constitutional government, in which the govt tries to do as little as possible, leaving us free to be the leader in the rest of our lives. But what we have is an all-powerful welfare/warfare nanny state, that violates our liberty, steals our property, and even kills us on occasion. We need less govt, but being a Luddite/anarchist makes no sense at all. That's anti-human achievement.
@freesk8 Sure I dont agree with being a Luddite. I also support lots of socialized programs, and social safety nets for people in the form of public goods. I dont equate the lack of these with freedom, quite the opposite.
@Neanderthalcouzin Hmm. That's strange. From your comment above I had assumed you were an anarchist. (That's not a bad thing to me...) I like the idea of a social safety net, I just don't think they should be run by the government. The government tends to run these kinds of things very badly. They tend to create bad incentives and be full of waste and fraud. We need to move gradually to a privatized system, where charities compete with each other for efficiency and effectiveness.
@freesk8 well I do admire some of the sentiment and vision of anarchy. I also acknowledge that pure profit motive alone will not provide and often leaves people out to dry.
@Neanderthalcouzin I agree with you that caring for nothing but profit, even at the expense of love and joy are mistakes and unwise in life, but the problem is that if we respect the dignity of the individual, we have to allow them to make such a mistake if they want to, as long as they harm and steal from no one else. Individuals get to decide how they spend their peaceful lives, not some elite, and not the govt. That would oppose the principles of anarchy, as well as justice.
@freesk8 fair enough, but individuals always have, do and will decide to get together and arrange things partially in a group context, through collective action, institutions and norms, etc. We cant really deny this aspect of *human nature* so to speak. So Im all in favor of empowering the individual, the way I see it is that this must occur within a group cooperative context. I dont reframe freedom or dignity as pursuing profit, but it would take too many posts to explain my views.
@bentothetenthpower Yeah, and he also stated what I've known since I was 8 years old! Wup di fuckin' doo!!! All non-white people know this since childhood. We are excluded from everything, have to work 2-3 times as hard as our albino counterparts, and have to tolerate a culturally repressive and malevolent society hell bent on wealth accumulation at the expense of everything else.
@buzzin1975 Do you seriously think that white skin is all it takes to get into the rich guys club?
That shit has been locked down for 2000 fucking years. It's been a family monopoly for at least 500. I am white as a ghost, (even though I'm 1/4 Mohawk), and i have been doing nothing but struggling to get by my whole life. So have most Caucasians, If you are not a member of the 400 families you are fucked, and that is the truth.
Not this "I'm oppressed cause I'm not white!", crap.
@bentothetenthpower Hey dipshit, white skins is necessary but not sufficient to get into the rich albino club. Guess what, if you ain't got white skin, you ain't necessary, get it? I'm not saying all white people are rich. What I'm saying is for you to even qualify for it, you got to be white. So, basically, the "colored" people as you so eloquently put it are just taking up unnecessary space on the planet, ripe for extermination.
@bentothetenthpower Extermination of people is not an option, huh? What do you think whitey's been doing for the past 500 years? Helping the aborigines and indigenous peoples of the planet survive?
A good punishment for tyrants is subsistence farming? What kind of fucking punishment is that? That's like sending a murderer to daycare.
You stupid fucking imp. You should be eradicated just for your stupidity.
@buzzin1975 I was putting forward my own views. Not suggesting that the elites do not engage in genocide.
As for the "Farming for Tyrants" option, what would you suggest? Murdering them? Where is your moral authority then? You are just as bad ad the tyrant if you kill those you disagree with.
However, scraping a living from the soil for the rest of their lives, living in whatever hovels that they could build with their own hands seems fitting.
@bentothetenthpower Umm, evidently, you haven't been paying attention to history for the last 100,000 years. Every major religion talks about destroying evil - not sending them to fucking farm daycare. Even Hinduism says that you should destroy evil in all its forms, even if it's your own brother (see Bhagavad Gita). The reason why is simple - if you allow evil to exist, eventually it'll spread, like Whitey did over the last 500 years.
Exactly! That is why killing all the elites is a stupid idea! If you allow evil to exist, it will grow.
Murder is evil even if you do it to murderers, so who kills them? And how do we deal with this new evil?
Instead, we maintain moral authority, by denying those who reveled in luxury the slightest bit of extraneous wealth, simply withholding from them the privilege and power that they have created for the sole purpose of abusing.
@bentothetenthpower Man, if you're good and you destroy evil, that doesn't mean you become evil. That's a non-sequitur. The purpose of good is to destroy evil. That's like saying Zeus became evil by casting Hades to the underworld. Gimme a fucking break.
Even Gandhi said you must resist evil in all its forms in ANY way you can. If you can't do so non-violently, then by all means do it violently, which is what I'm espousing. Starting with Whitey who created the fucking mess we're living in now.
We begin by reexamining our OWN actions and realizing that it isn't right to stack the deck against our fellow citizens. Everything we do counts. It has been common tradition, even culturally acceptable to pretend that our actions are shadows with no depth, and that to dwell on the importance of the small decisions we make is misspent time. I find it unfortunate that it takes such a masterful communicator to point out the truly obvious: Apathy in design always creates more apathy.
the mayor of my city used to be a professional advertiser, so it needn't be said there's lots of propaganda on the streets these days for his projects, which is always clear and catchy. It all seems so transparent and open to the public. The thing is, these projects are never participatory. Things that are (building permits etc, which we can oppose) are still in this cryptic form as you say. Very awakening talk. Thanks!
@roidroid I liked it at first. Then it was about govt spending, corp bailouts, TARP, the debt, free markets and constitutional limits on govt. But the movement (which is VERY grass-roots, and not astroturf as has been portrayed in the media) has been taken over by social conservatives. It has also been co-opted by the GOP, even though most GOP politicians do not really share these values. A few do, and no Dems do. So I left the TEA Party movement. I still hope it will help us cut spending.
@5ive23 Sounds like succeeded in not taking it to heart. His ACTUAL message was to join hands and work together to reduce social barriers. Stop thinking other humans, your allies, are selfish stupid and lazy, and maybe you'll see the value in a helping hand.
@5ive23 We can always work on Self, and should. But often the systems of control put so much crap in our faces, people are easily mis-informed or mis-lead. Nothing wrong with seeing problems and addressing them. To just allow it all to grow like cancer is the very definition of apathy.
Saying people don't act because there are obstacles and "it’s too hard" is the same thing as saying they are selfish, stupid, and lazy. A selfless, smart, passionate person fights and overcomes obstacles, they don't use them as excuses for inaction.
I completely agree with him...except that there still are many people who really are selfish, stupid, or lazy. Apathy didn't cause the Great American Bank Bailout...selfish stupidity did, period. As with all things, it's never a "one or the other" thing...it's always a little of both. A big part is the trend toward disengagement, but the selfish stupidity of many is still a significant impediment in its own right.
@slaughtz In most cases...I do think it was their upbringing in the kind of society mentioned in the presentation. In other cases, I sincerely believe it's an issue of bad genetics. Natural selection exists for a reason, after all. But, in the case of those who were brought up a certain way, most are beyond help. There is a crucial point at which people are so engrossed in their current mindset that they cannot ever again adopt a different one.
@OriginalTharios I looked up a Newsweek article on having "good" and "bad" genes, and they mentioned that bad or good genes really depend on the context of the environment. While the people with certain genes are not as fit in a civilized society, they may be more fit in other types of environments that are more physically demanding than socially. What do you think? Also, whether upbringing or genetics, it is nothing but a sad reality, isn't it? What could a healthy person actually do to help?
@slaughtz In most cases, those who have a certain degree of neurological deficiency due to genetics could have overcome them, at least somewhat, with a proper upbringing...which almost none get. I think overall physical health is very nearly as important as neurological capacity. Civilizations fall, and one needs a strong arm AND a sharp mind to survive. Neither is "superior. As for what others can do to help...all we can do is prevent the young from falling into the trap.
@roidroid No...actually. Race and gender seem to be pretty irrelevant with regard to genetic neurological defectiveness. The only thing that does seem to make a difference are bad genetic combinations parentally, most notably, but not only, inbreeding. As for "kids arn't brought up right", that's been a worldwide problem for thousands of years. Its what happens when superstition and arrogance are civilization's primary tenets. Trying to start a fight, hmm?
@OriginalTharios ah, my mistake. At a glance, you seemed to be displaying the "both kids & niggers are outof control" mentality of the biggoted social conservatives. But i see what you're talking about now.
I find starting fights to be a good way to sidestep the apathy that prevents most from replying (it shakes things up, gets ppl talking, and can even reveal common interests), and at the same time release stress by attacking (perceived) groups i dislike (feels good man).
No they aren't. You're governments need to collapse for true liberty to arise. No state in HISTORY has ever regressed from tyranny but only moved more heavily towards it until it's collapse.
Those of you who become part of corporate business, are so far from center, that the majority of people aren't apathetic - they're indifferent. What you want them to feel for, they refuse to be a part of. There's a difference.
How about leaving your ethno-centric Machinations to the side, and actually work on behalf of the society you accuse of being apathetic; within the framework of matters to THEM and you will see them care.
Utter Nonsense. Media puts directories on restaurant, dance and other such reviews because that's what sells - it's what people actually care about. They don't put directories in articles discussing politics because the fact is very few people actually care about politics and elections. The media does a lot of awful things; manipulating culture into an apathetic cesspool isn't one of them. Ordinary people do that just fine. The media doesn’t print to influence, it prints to sell: apathy sells.
@Haduct While this is not completely false, there exists such a thing as creating an artificial demand, and then providing for that demand. Ever heard of vicious circles? And "very few people actually care about politics and elections"? Urgh... talk about missing the point.
I said apathy sells, because it does. That's indisputable.
You, however, assumed that my ability to point out fact necessitates my involvement in this media-apathy-torent everyone who loves this video seems to be so against -- when quite the contrary is true. I never read things like resaurant reviews; they don't interest me.
Don't post contentious things online unless you have some backing for your ideas.
@Haduct I know it's a fact, but you said it as if it's a criticism of the video when nowhere in the video did he say that apathy doesn't sell. Just because something sells doesn't mean that it's what the public really wants (as counter intuitive as that sounds.) You seem to have mistaken my intentions as I may have yours.
Anyone else see the common ground between the mayor of Toronto and the Prime Minister of Canada?
Both are ultraconservatives who have generated scandals in trying to silence all dissent, the former by destroying dozens of citizen committees, the latter by evicting all but die-hard supporters from even HEARING his stance on the issues.
Those who thumb down this video should have their account and all the comments they ever made immediately deleted. How's that for democracy? XD -- Seriously now, I'd want to put myself in their shoes, but I can't for the life of me even begin to imagine the mindset one must be in to give that talk a thumb down. Poor creatures...
This guy says everything Noam Chomsky has been saying forever. Noam Chomsky, is also voted number one, according to TED's blog of the 'worlds top 20 public intellectuals'. So why has he never been invited as a guest? They will bring on Julian Assange, but not Chomsky? Is he really that controversial?
this hits home. i could write 15 books, detailing and highlighting, pinpointing and illustrating, identifying and explaining... but what i've learned is that it is entirely OVERWHELMING. it would take such an organized network to pull together enough resources to inspire people to want make the effort to get involved. i learned that i actually CAN'T write books. i am a resource, a wealth of knowledge & insight, but i am useless. i am defeated. all of my EARNED LEARNING was for nothing.
Oh how I needed to hear this! Basically apathy is a manipulation by others! I feel better about society. I'm off to post this far and wide. . . . . . . . . .
I'm going to go with 'duh' on this one. Can we get a practical solution, some real world place I can go to and write on a piece of paper or give my time too to works towards fixing these problems?
Heroic effort is not a "collective" effort, is "INDIVIDUAL" effort. Only individuals have responsabilities and can act, maybe some individuals choose to act voluntarily adding their efforts in a common enterprise, but each of us are individuals. Forget about systems, grpups, collectives, institutions, governments, concentrate on individuals, that´s a big change.
Damn!
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heroism in our era is starting to become a rare stone...apathy is a form of life among people
andreeaweed 3 months ago
any one have a problem with democratizing public spaces? Taken to the extreme, Majority rule means minorities' rights are subject to the collective will... Or mob if you will.
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I was going to watch this video, but, ahhh... fuck it.
WingedIcon 5 months ago
This was a real eye opener for me. I'm from another country btw, and I didn't realise that other countries also face this problem of apathy. Its a good thing that the younger population is getting more and more politically aware now because of social media :) Sadly though, even now people are still not active in voicing their opinions and still follow the "majority"
If you've been motivated by this video as much as I have, please share it! Our accumulated efforts will not go to waste!
ngrobrt 7 months ago
Creative presentation. Like the Nike ad. But, as standalone I can't say I thought much of it. It places responsibility on Gov & despite saying 'leadership comes from within' it absolves the individual from responsibility. I don't believe Gov bodies '...actively discourage...' involvement. They are guilty of not updating on how people like to get info. Not everything can be put in bite sized chunks. We could accuse them of leaving out vital info?
PKengageyourmind 7 months ago
At 6:46 the background starts to change. :\
xXNibiNoNekoXx 8 months ago
Huge part of this is the normalization process.
Democratizing public space in my experience, means occupying it and most canadians have never seen a squat or barricades before (aside from the ones put there by the city or transportation department).
People usually have irrational hostile reactions to things they've never seen before. Therefore, keep occupying public spaces for a couple decades, until people aren't completely baffled by the sight of direct action anymore.
OCCUPY EVERYWHERE
TyrannisSicSemper 9 months ago
I can see his points, but surely here he is providing excuses for apathy? "Oh I do care but it's all these cultural obstacles so I can't."
modestforagenius 9 months ago
TWO THOUGHTS
1) People only whine about "barriers" when they don't get their way.
2) I would probably be against most of the "changes" he wants to make.
aphyd2 9 months ago
how much longer are people going to let politics gamble away their communities...
xjustamem0ryx 9 months ago
A lot of people base their vote on irrelevant peripheral issues, like that parties position on the census or gun registration...But the government decides much more than that, foreign policy, public policy, education, health care, etc etc... The system doesn't work, it's broken.
PS conservative majority? WTF, world, w t f.
GatesYardley 9 months ago
@GatesYardley Keep in mind that that majority was still elected by a minority of Canadians.
Orlphar 9 months ago
The most pathetic thing about Canadian politics is that the general population are actually ignorant who they vote, and are absolutely convinced that the system is not broken, so they continue to vote conservative :|
I hope I'm not ignoring the point of this video, but there ought to be a test to make sure you actually understand what parties represent before you vote. What is even more important than the number of people who vote, is the educated people who vote, in my opinion.
Lishy1 10 months ago
Only 20k views, not even close to viral. Whats wrong you 1100 likes? Is this just not good enough to share and spread? What is some magic Efairy suppose to make it viral by magic?? Why be apathetic? lol
LazyOtaku 10 months ago
Now I need to find ANOTHER explanation why a number of people disliked this.
HeadBangTheory 10 months ago
wow i never thought about it like that, very good points
StCyr87 10 months ago
Damn, these are all hard hitting points. Great work.
Renegen1 10 months ago 2
This was a (surprisingly) good talk. Thanks for posting!
TKStoddart 10 months ago
Makes sense.
ttowntvcom 10 months ago
Excellent, short, sharp and concise with no BS.
fahim113 10 months ago 2
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Yay ted talks! Fuck the man!
GatesYardley 10 months ago
Yay, Ted talks! Fuck the man.
GatesYardley 10 months ago
Yay, Ted talks! Fuck the man.
GatesYardley 10 months ago
I totally thought he was talking about the US 'til he actually mentioned Canada.
Unlike a lot of other posters, I actually agree with his assessment of "heroes". I mean, how many King Arthur stories can you possibly write? Yeah, the hero has to slog through the plot, but the point he's making is that the hero was picked, he didn't pick himself. Since no one actually lobs scimitars at would-be kings anymore, the model isn't particularly helpful if you WANT to be a hero these days.
shiftyjake 10 months ago 2
A heroic effort is a 'collective' one? I call bullshit! Certainly it 'can' be collective, but in fact it usually is not. This guy is clearly injecting his own politics.
And the main reason people don't vote is because there is no "none of the above" option on the ballot. WE do not consent to THEIR social contract.
Panpiper 10 months ago
@Panpiper The collective heroism as in a modern interpretation and not
noun /ˈhi(ə)rō/
heroes, plural
A person, typically a man, who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities
- a war hero
djamorpheus 10 months ago
This man could have just as easily been describing America. He's got a great idea here, for his country and mine. Kudos.
t3tsuyaguy1 10 months ago
While I do think it's awesome that one of my favorite fandoms of all time, Sailor Moon, got mentioned, it's also worth saying that sometimes people "awaken" to leadership and roles in which they can change the world--it takes a push, but the ability to act is within them all along. This takes place in Sailor Moon, and in many of the other stories mentioned!
azuritemoon 10 months ago
OMG so important. Local involvement is important well, because individuals matter a great deal more. But in spite of being more connected to society in general, we've regressed in participation in government. I'm not participating in government by commenting on this youtube video, but the spirit is the same and we're spending those energies on things that don't change the way our country is run.
zassounotsukushi 10 months ago
Brilliant Video.
mukeh111 10 months ago
lol what a shallow an myopic speech. seven minutes is only enough time to MENTION topics that are relevant to the topic. anyone pretending to be inspired by these little soundbites is living in a world of masturbatory self-righteousness. what a joke.
IFknHateUTube 10 months ago
@IFknHateUTube see, this is exactly what he was talking about.
Samuelthemule 10 months ago
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@Samuelthemule right, knowing so much that I recognize that this talk is shallow bullshit means I'm apathetic. You're pretty dumb.
IFknHateUTube 10 months ago
@IFknHateUTube ure the best example of this ted talk, thanks
obituaryu 10 months ago
@obituaryu right, knowing so much that I recognize that this talk is shallow bullshit means I'm apathetic. You're pretty dumb.
IFknHateUTube 10 months ago 2
Dave Meslin, my hero!!
Wanna and gonna be more active
POLlyy23 10 months ago
This man did a great job, way to go Davey!
DeoMachina 10 months ago 2
I would remain cynical even after the removal of these obstacles.
brettygood 10 months ago
There's a reason why government advertises like it does. Doesn't pay to get in the way of crony capitalism.
TomFynn 10 months ago
some of this is due to marketing.... advertising which mostly insults any one with any bit of intelligence. they make adds assault you in the face to get your attention and money..
this guy isnt on the mark in my opinion. people are self centered
shantiz123 10 months ago
Fantastic....best short clip Ive seen in ages
cobra60six 10 months ago 2
GREAT TALK, TED :D
CocoShitzu 10 months ago
This guy for president
Rickles 10 months ago
Meslin's argument is not new (Chomsky, for one, has been saying such things for decades) but this is an excellent presentation delivered with both humour and passion. Although the examples are Canadian, the message is universal.
gerygone 10 months ago
Leuk praatje hoor.
Duimpjes in de lucht. ;)
Phyrexious 10 months ago
My desire to see this go viral, and effort I put forth, doesn't seem to be baring fruit. There is 10880 views (at the time of this comment) whereas it should have at least 10X that, and desirably 100X that. Do your part if you loved this like I did and share it! Share it on FB, through other youtube channels, favorite, email it, lets see that everyone who might need some redefining in their lives be shown this.
LazyOtaku 10 months ago 21
This was great! =D
eituzett 10 months ago
People are alienated from the political and economic power and responsibilities.
Liberals are rediscovering well know anarchists objections to state and capitalism.
Answer is Direct Action and Direct Democracy!
organdva 10 months ago
Nicely told, but... where are the web addresses or something?
blstrmucha 10 months ago 10
I completely agree with what he said about the voting system here. It makes no sense to me: We don't choose who we want as prime minister, we only get to choose who runs our riding. I want to vote NDP, but I'm fine with the the Liberal rep we have, moreover, I don't even know who the NDP candidate in my area is..
I don't want Ignatieff to win, and Harper needs to go.
We need to change the voting system :/
Silverstarlightt 10 months ago
A thing to take into account is that along with the decrease of interestest in old forms of political participation, interest in alternative ones have been increasing explosively. These include activist protests, political consumption choices and even vandalism as new forms of political participation. It is not that people don't care, they do; they just don't vote solely at the votingbooth anymore, they now vote with their wallets and their time and not just in a votingbooth.
mcSnoski 10 months ago 3
Agree.Great talk.
gerry2345 10 months ago
"Rational ignorance."
Wormtail81 10 months ago
Definitely one of my favourite talks. Thank you, TED.
rawssremix 10 months ago
I only voted one time in my life,,,and for Steven Harper
frank0067 10 months ago
40 seconds in, I am loving this talk. Yes!
EclecticSceptic 10 months ago
Thought provoking
kimberlyssy 10 months ago
really nice. apathy is brought about by the collection of experience in our society. the government, media and the education system has a lot to do in shaping a caring environment
WORLDinOBLIVION 10 months ago
That's a really great talk. One thing I'd like to say is that politics of all sorts rules much of Canada, not just at the official political level but internally in organizations, and it's become cultural. While it's true that the leader of a minority government is by definition not chosen by most Canadians, it's a reflection of how varied Canadians are in their political choices. The real joke of Canadian politics is the campaigning and juvenile behavior in parliament. Blech.
P00P0STER0US 10 months ago
either these barriers are the manifestation of apathy towards humanity or they are intentioned on keeping humanity complacent.
or does anyone seriously think these are the kind of barriers whose obscurity naturally stems from a complicated nature?
There are fewer things complicated in human affairs that aren't guises for deceit.
xjustamem0ryx 10 months ago
Oh, people care a lot! That's why facebook is the most powerful tool ever invented. check check check away!!! :-)
WinWinSituations 10 months ago
Fucking brilliant!
dannyduchamp 10 months ago
Cool :-)
RichTurtle32 10 months ago
Sorry I got distracted at 3:47... SAILOR MOON!
shouang 10 months ago
Great talk!
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LazyOtaku 10 months ago
Wow... Excellent Talk! Even point touched on in the talk applies even more so to the US.
wulf8121 10 months ago
I see a vast number of selfish people, also many who are lazy and stupid. Just Look at the climate change: we're selfishly taking from future generations.
klimaxg 10 months ago
great talk! but why does everyones voice sound like a TED robot?
oayia 10 months ago
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marketingurl 10 months ago
This guy appearently put some thought into this but his conclusion is just weak tea masterbation. Who paid for this guy to do this "research"? I think I'll present a talk on how snow makes the ground wet and present it as cutting edge insight.
There need to be more play-do electric circuit presentations and far less career social science students saying whats been said by much better intelects for 200 years. I hope tax dollars did't pay for that drivel...just joking of course it did.
Wanker
magega 10 months ago
@magega It's been said by much better intelects for 200 years yet we're still geting fucked in the ass by our government. I think talks like these "dumb it down" so that everyone can get the message. This is amore direct way of putting forward the ideas.
Finally, insulting somebody who is doing something good shows nothing but the insecurities in your heart. Let us be united as a species and stop the hate.
Bob Marley said it better than nobody else: One Love
elchafa 10 months ago
@elchafa I find it interesting that you saying it needs to be dumbed down, as if it need to be, implies the opposite of what this dude said in the video:"other" people are not stupid. Dumbing it down weakens the point. I would rather he said what you did about the ass rape than make humorous remarks about gov. paperwork.
In that sense he is not doing good.
If it's an insult, i could find nothing else to say, but felt the need to say something. Not sure what I'm insecure about, maybe 677 likes?
magega 10 months ago
@magega See how "dumb it down" is written between inverted commas and all the rest of my comment is not?
elchafa 10 months ago
@elchafa What;s your point?
magega 10 months ago
@5ive23 These are good questions we should all ask ourselves. I think it's not so much "where" we begin, but that we do...
TheEidolon7 10 months ago
this is a great video... wouldn't brag too loud about being involved with Al Gore and his manmade global warming myth.. he is part of the problem.
MUSLIMSareCHOMOS 10 months ago
@MUSLIMSareCHOMOS Seriously? Global Warming manmade? The polar caps are not melting? The climate is not changing? No earthquakes and tsunamis everywhere in a more often fashion in the last say 8 years?
elchafa 10 months ago
@elchafa MORON did I say there was no climate change? NO. MAN MADE Global warming is BS invented by Al Gore.
/watch?v=YaTJJCPYhlk I'd also suggest subbing this channel. Lots of good info
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@MUSLIMSareCHOMOS Don't insult me if you're trying to convince me of something. I'll check out that video.
elchafa 10 months ago
@MUSLIMSareCHOMOS And secondly, I never said Global Warming was man made. Please read my first comment again and you'll see how irrational your response (attack) was. Let's be caring, curious, peaceful people please.
elchafa 10 months ago
@elchafa sorry.. hot tempered hypomaniac here... not used to sarcasm posted by someone other than myself... Global Warming... captialized to emphasise the branding involved... lol sorry.
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marketingurl 10 months ago
Ever notice how news stories about controversial bills virtually never, ever mention the actual bill number? That pisses me off to no end when I'm trying to find the actual text or voting record. Yet another barrier to entry...
Nupetiet 10 months ago 68
@Nupetiet Here's another barrier, when someone criticizes what the government is doing they are deemed unpatriotic and not supporting the troops... I'm sure we can go on for ever with naming barriers.
djamorpheus 10 months ago
In a hunter-gatherer tribe, everyone is a leader.
Neanderthalcouzin 10 months ago
@Neanderthalcouzin Yeah, and everyone is one drought or famine away from death. I prefer a limited, constitutional government, in which the govt tries to do as little as possible, leaving us free to be the leader in the rest of our lives. But what we have is an all-powerful welfare/warfare nanny state, that violates our liberty, steals our property, and even kills us on occasion. We need less govt, but being a Luddite/anarchist makes no sense at all. That's anti-human achievement.
freesk8 10 months ago
@freesk8 Sure I dont agree with being a Luddite. I also support lots of socialized programs, and social safety nets for people in the form of public goods. I dont equate the lack of these with freedom, quite the opposite.
Neanderthalcouzin 10 months ago
@Neanderthalcouzin Hmm. That's strange. From your comment above I had assumed you were an anarchist. (That's not a bad thing to me...) I like the idea of a social safety net, I just don't think they should be run by the government. The government tends to run these kinds of things very badly. They tend to create bad incentives and be full of waste and fraud. We need to move gradually to a privatized system, where charities compete with each other for efficiency and effectiveness.
freesk8 10 months ago
@freesk8 well I do admire some of the sentiment and vision of anarchy. I also acknowledge that pure profit motive alone will not provide and often leaves people out to dry.
Neanderthalcouzin 10 months ago
@Neanderthalcouzin I agree with you that caring for nothing but profit, even at the expense of love and joy are mistakes and unwise in life, but the problem is that if we respect the dignity of the individual, we have to allow them to make such a mistake if they want to, as long as they harm and steal from no one else. Individuals get to decide how they spend their peaceful lives, not some elite, and not the govt. That would oppose the principles of anarchy, as well as justice.
freesk8 10 months ago
@freesk8 fair enough, but individuals always have, do and will decide to get together and arrange things partially in a group context, through collective action, institutions and norms, etc. We cant really deny this aspect of *human nature* so to speak. So Im all in favor of empowering the individual, the way I see it is that this must occur within a group cooperative context. I dont reframe freedom or dignity as pursuing profit, but it would take too many posts to explain my views.
Neanderthalcouzin 10 months ago
Excellent! Revealing!
Jotto999 10 months ago
those 7 examples of artificed obstacles should be considered crimes against humanity.
xjustamem0ryx 10 months ago
This is one of the most brilliant talks ever, and one of the two most important "non technology" one.
DrQuijano 10 months ago
"Intentional Exclusion" - that one stuck with me.
leonidasx666 10 months ago
Best TED talk ever. This man went strait to the point, did not pull his punches, and wasted no time.
bentothetenthpower 10 months ago 94
@bentothetenthpower Yeah, and he also stated what I've known since I was 8 years old! Wup di fuckin' doo!!! All non-white people know this since childhood. We are excluded from everything, have to work 2-3 times as hard as our albino counterparts, and have to tolerate a culturally repressive and malevolent society hell bent on wealth accumulation at the expense of everything else.
buzzin1975 10 months ago
@buzzin1975 Do you seriously think that white skin is all it takes to get into the rich guys club?
That shit has been locked down for 2000 fucking years. It's been a family monopoly for at least 500. I am white as a ghost, (even though I'm 1/4 Mohawk), and i have been doing nothing but struggling to get by my whole life. So have most Caucasians, If you are not a member of the 400 families you are fucked, and that is the truth.
Not this "I'm oppressed cause I'm not white!", crap.
Racist.
bentothetenthpower 3 months ago
@bentothetenthpower Hey dipshit, white skins is necessary but not sufficient to get into the rich albino club. Guess what, if you ain't got white skin, you ain't necessary, get it? I'm not saying all white people are rich. What I'm saying is for you to even qualify for it, you got to be white. So, basically, the "colored" people as you so eloquently put it are just taking up unnecessary space on the planet, ripe for extermination.
buzzin1975 3 months ago
@buzzin1975
Fool.
I never made the slightest reference to the word "colored".
As for your assessment, I strongly disagree. No-one is unnecessary by nature, and extermination of people should not be seen as an option in any case.
I actually put forward the idea that a good punishment for overlords and tyrants would be to sentence them to live by subsistence farming for life.
I am against capitol punishment, war, murder of all forms.
So, don't put any more fucking words in my mouth.
Ass.
bentothetenthpower 3 months ago
@bentothetenthpower Extermination of people is not an option, huh? What do you think whitey's been doing for the past 500 years? Helping the aborigines and indigenous peoples of the planet survive?
A good punishment for tyrants is subsistence farming? What kind of fucking punishment is that? That's like sending a murderer to daycare.
You stupid fucking imp. You should be eradicated just for your stupidity.
buzzin1975 3 months ago
@buzzin1975 I was putting forward my own views. Not suggesting that the elites do not engage in genocide.
As for the "Farming for Tyrants" option, what would you suggest? Murdering them? Where is your moral authority then? You are just as bad ad the tyrant if you kill those you disagree with.
However, scraping a living from the soil for the rest of their lives, living in whatever hovels that they could build with their own hands seems fitting.
A way for the proud to learn humility.
Fitting
bentothetenthpower 3 months ago
@bentothetenthpower Umm, evidently, you haven't been paying attention to history for the last 100,000 years. Every major religion talks about destroying evil - not sending them to fucking farm daycare. Even Hinduism says that you should destroy evil in all its forms, even if it's your own brother (see Bhagavad Gita). The reason why is simple - if you allow evil to exist, eventually it'll spread, like Whitey did over the last 500 years.
buzzin1975 3 months ago
@buzzin1975
Exactly! That is why killing all the elites is a stupid idea! If you allow evil to exist, it will grow.
Murder is evil even if you do it to murderers, so who kills them? And how do we deal with this new evil?
Instead, we maintain moral authority, by denying those who reveled in luxury the slightest bit of extraneous wealth, simply withholding from them the privilege and power that they have created for the sole purpose of abusing.
We would do no evil in the pursuit of good..
bentothetenthpower 3 months ago
@bentothetenthpower Man, if you're good and you destroy evil, that doesn't mean you become evil. That's a non-sequitur. The purpose of good is to destroy evil. That's like saying Zeus became evil by casting Hades to the underworld. Gimme a fucking break.
Even Gandhi said you must resist evil in all its forms in ANY way you can. If you can't do so non-violently, then by all means do it violently, which is what I'm espousing. Starting with Whitey who created the fucking mess we're living in now.
buzzin1975 3 months ago
for more on the topic of this talk, i suggest you google a talk-transcript by Noam Chomsky titled:
"What Makes Mainstream Media Mainstream?"
roidroid 10 months ago
Voluntary? I thought heroic effort was when democrats force people to invest in some fail & blame scam.
MrShoeguy 10 months ago
Every TED event is more brilliant than the last.
andyrooney12 10 months ago
@andyrooney12 I'm guessing you're not taking into consideration the onslaught of feminist crap talks of about 5 months ago?
DrQuijano 10 months ago
We begin by reexamining our OWN actions and realizing that it isn't right to stack the deck against our fellow citizens. Everything we do counts. It has been common tradition, even culturally acceptable to pretend that our actions are shadows with no depth, and that to dwell on the importance of the small decisions we make is misspent time. I find it unfortunate that it takes such a masterful communicator to point out the truly obvious: Apathy in design always creates more apathy.
TheMintCondish 10 months ago
the mayor of my city used to be a professional advertiser, so it needn't be said there's lots of propaganda on the streets these days for his projects, which is always clear and catchy. It all seems so transparent and open to the public. The thing is, these projects are never participatory. Things that are (building permits etc, which we can oppose) are still in this cryptic form as you say. Very awakening talk. Thanks!
Ramsez 10 months ago
I'm a Libertarian in the US. I know all about exclusion from the political process.
Socially tolerant, fiscally conservative, pro-peace.
Free Minds and Free Markets.
Am I jousting at windmills? Yes, and like Don Quixote, I do it with passion, because this is the way to live!
freesk8 10 months ago
@freesk8 what is your opinion on the tea party movement?
roidroid 10 months ago
@roidroid I liked it at first. Then it was about govt spending, corp bailouts, TARP, the debt, free markets and constitutional limits on govt. But the movement (which is VERY grass-roots, and not astroturf as has been portrayed in the media) has been taken over by social conservatives. It has also been co-opted by the GOP, even though most GOP politicians do not really share these values. A few do, and no Dems do. So I left the TEA Party movement. I still hope it will help us cut spending.
freesk8 10 months ago
@5ive23 Sounds like succeeded in not taking it to heart. His ACTUAL message was to join hands and work together to reduce social barriers. Stop thinking other humans, your allies, are selfish stupid and lazy, and maybe you'll see the value in a helping hand.
Icemario87 10 months ago
@5ive23 We can always work on Self, and should. But often the systems of control put so much crap in our faces, people are easily mis-informed or mis-lead. Nothing wrong with seeing problems and addressing them. To just allow it all to grow like cancer is the very definition of apathy.
TheEidolon7 10 months ago
Great message !
cyberdems 10 months ago
Much of what he is criticizing is the reslt of the work and philosophy of Edward Bernays.
DeePhlat 10 months ago
Saying people don't act because there are obstacles and "it’s too hard" is the same thing as saying they are selfish, stupid, and lazy. A selfless, smart, passionate person fights and overcomes obstacles, they don't use them as excuses for inaction.
KatDilan 10 months ago
To be fair... Pokemon is exactly what he is talking about.
torberry 10 months ago
so goes the house of cards...
xjustamem0ryx 10 months ago
I completely agree with him...except that there still are many people who really are selfish, stupid, or lazy. Apathy didn't cause the Great American Bank Bailout...selfish stupidity did, period. As with all things, it's never a "one or the other" thing...it's always a little of both. A big part is the trend toward disengagement, but the selfish stupidity of many is still a significant impediment in its own right.
OriginalTharios 10 months ago
@OriginalTharios So people are selfish, stupid or lazy. What caused that?
slaughtz 10 months ago
@slaughtz In most cases...I do think it was their upbringing in the kind of society mentioned in the presentation. In other cases, I sincerely believe it's an issue of bad genetics. Natural selection exists for a reason, after all. But, in the case of those who were brought up a certain way, most are beyond help. There is a crucial point at which people are so engrossed in their current mindset that they cannot ever again adopt a different one.
OriginalTharios 10 months ago
@OriginalTharios I looked up a Newsweek article on having "good" and "bad" genes, and they mentioned that bad or good genes really depend on the context of the environment. While the people with certain genes are not as fit in a civilized society, they may be more fit in other types of environments that are more physically demanding than socially. What do you think? Also, whether upbringing or genetics, it is nothing but a sad reality, isn't it? What could a healthy person actually do to help?
slaughtz 10 months ago
@slaughtz In most cases, those who have a certain degree of neurological deficiency due to genetics could have overcome them, at least somewhat, with a proper upbringing...which almost none get. I think overall physical health is very nearly as important as neurological capacity. Civilizations fall, and one needs a strong arm AND a sharp mind to survive. Neither is "superior. As for what others can do to help...all we can do is prevent the young from falling into the trap.
OriginalTharios 10 months ago
@OriginalTharios so... your point boils down to
"kids arn't brought up right" and
"niggers!"
yes?
roidroid 10 months ago
@roidroid No...actually. Race and gender seem to be pretty irrelevant with regard to genetic neurological defectiveness. The only thing that does seem to make a difference are bad genetic combinations parentally, most notably, but not only, inbreeding. As for "kids arn't brought up right", that's been a worldwide problem for thousands of years. Its what happens when superstition and arrogance are civilization's primary tenets. Trying to start a fight, hmm?
OriginalTharios 10 months ago
@OriginalTharios ah, my mistake. At a glance, you seemed to be displaying the "both kids & niggers are outof control" mentality of the biggoted social conservatives. But i see what you're talking about now.
I find starting fights to be a good way to sidestep the apathy that prevents most from replying (it shakes things up, gets ppl talking, and can even reveal common interests), and at the same time release stress by attacking (perceived) groups i dislike (feels good man).
roidroid 10 months ago
This is amazing. I only recently figured out this flaw in our society myself and I'm really glad someone formulated it into a clear line of reasoning.
This is exactly what I want to do with my life and this is exactly what we don't learn in college/uni.
BaileysBeads 10 months ago
"amazing and smart and do care." ?!?!?!?!
No they aren't. You're governments need to collapse for true liberty to arise. No state in HISTORY has ever regressed from tyranny but only moved more heavily towards it until it's collapse.
ZombieX13 10 months ago
How about this.
Those of you who become part of corporate business, are so far from center, that the majority of people aren't apathetic - they're indifferent. What you want them to feel for, they refuse to be a part of. There's a difference.
How about leaving your ethno-centric Machinations to the side, and actually work on behalf of the society you accuse of being apathetic; within the framework of matters to THEM and you will see them care.
I will not fight Israels battles.
A1R5N1P3R 10 months ago
@A1R5N1P3R suddenly outof no-where... ISRAEL.
lol.
roidroid 10 months ago
Utter Nonsense. Media puts directories on restaurant, dance and other such reviews because that's what sells - it's what people actually care about. They don't put directories in articles discussing politics because the fact is very few people actually care about politics and elections. The media does a lot of awful things; manipulating culture into an apathetic cesspool isn't one of them. Ordinary people do that just fine. The media doesn’t print to influence, it prints to sell: apathy sells.
Haduct 10 months ago
@Haduct While this is not completely false, there exists such a thing as creating an artificial demand, and then providing for that demand. Ever heard of vicious circles? And "very few people actually care about politics and elections"? Urgh... talk about missing the point.
Ibucrthis 10 months ago
@Haduct "Apathy sells"
Seems like you bought it. :(
kevinscales 10 months ago
@kevinscales Good job on being snide.
I said apathy sells, because it does. That's indisputable.
You, however, assumed that my ability to point out fact necessitates my involvement in this media-apathy-torent everyone who loves this video seems to be so against -- when quite the contrary is true. I never read things like resaurant reviews; they don't interest me.
Don't post contentious things online unless you have some backing for your ideas.
Haduct 10 months ago
@Haduct I know it's a fact, but you said it as if it's a criticism of the video when nowhere in the video did he say that apathy doesn't sell. Just because something sells doesn't mean that it's what the public really wants (as counter intuitive as that sounds.) You seem to have mistaken my intentions as I may have yours.
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Haduct 10 months ago
Anyone else see the common ground between the mayor of Toronto and the Prime Minister of Canada?
Both are ultraconservatives who have generated scandals in trying to silence all dissent, the former by destroying dozens of citizen committees, the latter by evicting all but die-hard supporters from even HEARING his stance on the issues.
Coincidence?
1RadicalOne 10 months ago
Those who thumb down this video should have their account and all the comments they ever made immediately deleted. How's that for democracy? XD -- Seriously now, I'd want to put myself in their shoes, but I can't for the life of me even begin to imagine the mindset one must be in to give that talk a thumb down. Poor creatures...
Ibucrthis 10 months ago
Great talk, so true and obvious though. Good to hear something of reason there from time to time. Thank you TED and Dave Meslin.
greob 10 months ago
Pro-communism?
smoothbanana 10 months ago
@smoothbanana who are you, Senator McCarthy?
roidroid 10 months ago
This guy says everything Noam Chomsky has been saying forever. Noam Chomsky, is also voted number one, according to TED's blog of the 'worlds top 20 public intellectuals'. So why has he never been invited as a guest? They will bring on Julian Assange, but not Chomsky? Is he really that controversial?
qigong1001 10 months ago
1:36 storey?
squirreljester2 10 months ago
@squirreljester2 British English
tcorp 10 months ago
@tcorp I've just never seen that before.
squirreljester2 10 months ago
The antidote to empathy?
MDMA :D
theJazzOwl 10 months ago
this hits home. i could write 15 books, detailing and highlighting, pinpointing and illustrating, identifying and explaining... but what i've learned is that it is entirely OVERWHELMING. it would take such an organized network to pull together enough resources to inspire people to want make the effort to get involved. i learned that i actually CAN'T write books. i am a resource, a wealth of knowledge & insight, but i am useless. i am defeated. all of my EARNED LEARNING was for nothing.
mindnumber9 10 months ago
I briefly worked for Nike. His Nike ad analogy was absolutely hilarious.
forestskog 10 months ago 2
man i was thinking about this for a long time but i could never put it into words
crackthecorn 10 months ago
meh
Fuzzy192006 10 months ago
You Canucks have broken elections too?
spongebathe 10 months ago
Oh how I needed to hear this! Basically apathy is a manipulation by others! I feel better about society. I'm off to post this far and wide. . . . . . . . . .
Honker66 10 months ago 2
I faved this halfway.
In the end, i had no regrets.
Filecreator 10 months ago
wishy washy!
Rabimmel123 10 months ago
I'm going to go with 'duh' on this one. Can we get a practical solution, some real world place I can go to and write on a piece of paper or give my time too to works towards fixing these problems?
dookiecheez 10 months ago
Heroic effort is not a "collective" effort, is "INDIVIDUAL" effort. Only individuals have responsabilities and can act, maybe some individuals choose to act voluntarily adding their efforts in a common enterprise, but each of us are individuals. Forget about systems, grpups, collectives, institutions, governments, concentrate on individuals, that´s a big change.
racpembertondual 10 months ago