Deadliest Warrior : Thrand's Spartan Vs. Ninja / Samurai Director's cut HD 4/4

[thunder5121984]

you are really missing one major component here.....spartans fight in a phalanx...lol...come on thrand!!!

[ThegnThrand]

@thunder5121984 We address that the Spartans fight in Phalanx.Meaning in a unit so they were not geared like skirmishers for single combat they fought primarily as a unit.The Samurai on the other hand has better weapons and trains for single Combat.One can not fight in a Phalanx by ones self(a shield and spear wall) Deadliest Warrior is the one saying the Spartan was Good in single combat and set this match up.They also came up false conclusions on both parts.

[EhSteve8690]

Wouldn't a large sword like a nodachi give the samurai a psychological advantage over a Spartan, depending on the individual?

[ENJager]

Lastly, you know how we know DW's results were bullshit, check it out at 38:16 in this video, the Spartan javelin and spear scored more kills against an armoured opponent [Samurai] than against an unarmoured opponent [Ninja]...so apparently, having no armour [being agile instead] protected you from sharp spear and javelin points, yet they did not protect you from the much MUCH slower shield bashing...

[ENJager]

Toughness aside, would the adrenaline rush of battle have an effect on the effectiveness of blinding powder on a Spartan? Adrenaline often negates the feeling of pain and other sensations when in such a state. But would it affect the eyes?

[ThegnThrand]

@ENJager I was unable to actually see this what effect I was measuring not pain.I could only take glimpses every now and then this would be horrible trying to fight the Spartan style.I will be doing a Aftermath on this one. Sorry for long wait Eldgrimr has not had time to help with video's and we had our nice camera broken.We are working on getting another soon.

[ENJager]

The Samurai were the elite armoured warriors of feudal Japan; the most reasonable comparison would be a feudal-age armoured knight from Europe, not a classical-age Spartan. That is DEFINITELY a fight I would love to see, knight v. samurai. I think that the Morningstar would probably wreak havoc on the Samurai not to mention the Halberd. In such a duel with so much armour, blunt force would be the deciding factor.

[MeibukanMaster]

Great video, but you mis spelled 'Deadliest'.

[DaydreamNationx24]

Thanks for these videos, Thrand. I found them really interesting.

[manga12]

good show, um I have been at this for two hours watching, the thing is many of the samuri were mounted and they too had long spears yajiri and naganata, and would fight on horseback, you also forget to factor in in a full on battle there would be archers behind the main line with their huge 7 foot yumi not just a guy on foot with one there would be many

[ThegnThrand]

@manga12 We are disputing the Deadliest Warrior one on one matches not a field battle lol

[manga12]

Yea but as you said in one of the videos of this redux its not an apples to apples when it comes to the greeks.

The samuri would fight as an army, like the greeks , and the vikings I think would be more one on one fighters like the ninja that would work as a small group.

I think that would have been a better match up on the show, opposed to the way they did show it dont you?

lol

[EhSteve8690]

If the ancient warrior battles are like D&D, I'm guessing the modern warrior battles (Spetsnaz vs Green Beret, CIA vs KGB) are like Call of Duty or Metal Gear Solid.

[TheMasterSlasher]

I enjoyed the videos and I greatly appreciate your effort. Very informative and fun to watch.

[TeHGoodReverend]

This is quite spot on...Spartan shields were not meant for 1 on 1 fighting.

[KrimzonKnight01]

id forgotten you mentioned the tethering of the shields. there is another video here on youtube that does that. That other video got posted on romanarmytalk and quickly got dismissed. The problem with the tethering is that you force your neighbor to move with you. if he blocks low and your being attacked high, he'll drag you down and open you up. they would not have done this. discipline is what kept the phalanx together.

[ThegnThrand]

@KrimzonKnight01 You do not block high and low in a shield wall with you shields at all this does not happen or dead men will magically appear all around you I speak from experience LOL

[KrimzonKnight01]

@ThegnThrand i know how a phalanx works thank you very much. Othismos " the pushing stage of phalanx combat" was only one stage. how they faught prior to that is still uncertain. Did they stop a few feet away from each other and spear fence or just crash and stab with your spears from above, or both. Im just repeating what other more knowledgable ppl than I said. Ill send you the link. The blocking high example was simply my way of putting it. They mostly cite lack of any historical evidence

[KrimzonKnight01]

@ThegnThrand that the slack in the rope wasn't enough, and that forcing your neighbor to move with you isn't a good idea.

[ThegnThrand]

@KrimzonKnight01 It is a good Idea really the whole wall will move much better than a big open spot allowing many to die :P

[KrimzonKnight01]

@ThegnThrand thats why you close ranks and don't allow gaps to open, your not gonna approach the enemy with a gaping hole in the phalanx. plus if someone goes down and they are holding on the their neighbors shield and someone is holding on to their they could potentially ring them down with him, also it could make it hard to recover if you go down ( for whatever reason) with you being pulled left and right by your neighbors. I think the risks outweigh the benefits to tie yourselves together.

[ThegnThrand]

@KrimzonKnight01 This is not totally true if some one loses footing abruptly and goes down unnoticed even for a second it could change the entire battle but if a man were knocked unconscious or killed he would release the rope.Plus if it was used like that it would have been used in specific situations.

[KrimzonKnight01]

@ThegnThrand if all it took was one man dieting t break a phalanx then they would have been useless. If a man dies another takes his place, the guy across from you cant move in because he has to stay in line and is locked with his neighbors. It takes many men dieing and falling to break the formation. when a man dies his hands don't go completely limp, they will continue to hold what they were holding, their hand stays in the same position. I speak as someone who has handled corpses before.

[ThegnThrand]

@KrimzonKnight01 Rigor does not set in instantly sorry but this dos not happen if some one fell holding that they would not be holding it for long :P

[TheManperson]

@ThegnThrand

It's not rigormortis that causes the hand to stay locked, thrand. People die gripping objects and keep them gripped quite regularly. It all depends on the position of the hand, how tightly the object was gripped, and how strong the person's grip is. Just as it's a myth that rigor mortis sets in immediately, it's equally a myth that your body goes absolutely limp like a ragdoll the instant you die.

[EhSteve8690]

@TheManperson Out of curiosity, about how long does it take for rigor mortis to set in?

[TheManperson]

@EhSteve8690

Honestly, it depends. Mostly on where the body is, what condition the body is in, and how the body died. We've got stories of rigor mortis setting in almost immediately and people dying on their feet (usually a legend, but there ARE some records of this actually happening), but there are also accounts of rigor mortis taking days if not weeks to set in if the body is preserved.

It varies. But the big thing is that the body doesn't go 100% entirely limp like a rag doll on death.

[ThegnThrand]

@TheManperson Yes they do go completely limp upon death sorry but they do. But for some reason if they did keep hanging on it would not be for long becasue it would not be locked like gators bite come on you have watched to many movies. The rope would be easy to cut as well if really needed too. The point is in large formation the rope could have been used is all we are saying not that it was. Most of forum post arguing this do fencing style in formation and do not really fight in phalanx

[TheManperson]

@ThegnThrand

The grammar. It burns. 

[KrimzonKnight01]

@TheManperson I know, not a period or comma in sight.

[Gratch2222]

@TheManperson That's rubbish. A body goes instantly limp upon death. The motor function of the brain cannot continue to receive and send transmissions to the brain to tell it otherwise. What you are speaking of is dieing on your feet. That is being mortally wounded where death is eminent, but the brain is still alive and in shock.

[KrimzonKnight01]

@ThegnThrand what manperson said :P. If the ancients didn't do it, it was for a reason.

[ThegnThrand]

@KrimzonKnight01 There is no proof they did not use this shield strapping this way nor is there proof they did for sure but there are shields was that used straps on the back of their shields in this manner meaning it is a very good possibility since they dot not fight in single combat unless the whole phalanx was falling apart and even then they tried to stay in small groups.

[KrimzonKnight01]

@ThegnThrand no artistic or literary depictions are as much proof as you need or are ever going to get that the straps were not used in that manner.

[EhSteve8690]

@KrimzonKnight01 They said it was a possibility, not "this is what they did".

[KrimzonKnight01]

@EhSteve8690 he said "very good possibility" when in fact its almost certain they didn't. theres always the possibility, i will never be able to say it never happened, but as of right now, evidence is heavily weighed towards it not.

[EhSteve8690]

@KrimzonKnight01 I get what you're saying. It's a possibility the Spartans held the chords going around the shield like what was shown, but no documentation exists yet. Same with wearing the shield on their backs. The only way we'll ever know for sure is if someone goes back in time.

[TheManperson]

@ThegnThrand

Thrand: Proof is typically on the person trying to say something DID happen in a certain way when it comes to history. By the account of 'we have no proof saying they DIDN'T do this', we can claim that Celts would throw their shields at their opponent when needing to use a two handed weapon.

Obviously this is a silly over-exaggeration, but we have no proof that the Celts DIDN'T do that.

If you want to say it was done a certain way, you typically need some sort of proof.

[ThegnThrand]

@KrimzonKnight01 Ok you have got me having to do this we will make a Phalanx and SkjaldBorg (shield wall) Video explaining how they work it seems it must be done :P

[ThegnThrand]

I decided to allow comments on this Last HD version so not to clutter first board too much :P

[elgostine]

so you would say that its the weight, or its strap grip makes the aspis worse for single combat.?

[elgostine]

@elgostine than the viking shield

[ThegnThrand]

@elgostine The Viking shield is center boss and is griped in the hand not strapped to the arm .

[ThegnThrand]

@elgostine Position of strapping and weight being historically 15 to 24 lbs.