Such delusional people, they believe that just because they repeated like parrots what they told them to repeat in a government approved institution, they suddenly are smart and can explain everything? He he he, true knowledge that can empower the average individual is not taught in the universities, true knowledge is not subject to someone's recognition, review, or approval. Everything from the top to the bottom of this establishment is corrupted but what it teaches is true and accurate? Morons
Atheists fail by default, but ignorance and denial can make wonders into their delusional minds, if only so many families weren't broken, the things would be different
Oh yes, the ol 'I learn differently' hocus pocus. Sure sure, everyone is a genius like Bill Gates. That's right, advocate people to drop out when the skill level is already too low. The solution to shit schools and average university degrees is to STUDY MORE; and go to a college that matters.
People DO have different learning styles...but if it can't be accommodated for by any known teaching method (including self-teach), what good is it? Accommodation is a two-way street; teaching can and has adapted to the needs of students, but sometimes the student has to adapt too. Considering the current state of institutionalized education, I think students need to adjust more, not universities.
I can't believe I wasted over nine minutes of my life on this.
You know, mocking someone and stating your opinions about what they say, and showing sources for your opinions of what they say, isn't really the same thing as demonstrating a "fail."
@kyle92223 oh right so Richard Branson didn't learn a thing? Mike Hudack also didn't learn a thing right? You are not smarter or better by default if you have an education. And I have a Bachelor btw.
Thanks. I wish I could have write more about my opinion about the video, but since english is my 3rd language - I'm afraid it wont be very effective. Just wanted to mention I liked your video.
I am quite confused by much of your nonsense in here. Particularly, when you a.) observe that HTWW is wrong and then b.) argue that his wrongness counts a "deconstruction" of tf00t's argument. These two claims are logically incompatible.
@integralmath Allow me to simplify. I'm essentially saying, in regards to TF on HTWW, "I agree with you on X, however, the argument you used to advance X was crap. Use better arguments."
@Celephais42: which has nothing whatever to do with what I said. You claim that tf00t's arguments were deconstructed by a refutation you yourself reject as being true. If the response is untrue, then it cannot be either a refutation or a deconstruction in any meaningful sense. It is completely a nonsensical arrangement of words as it is not something that can map onto reality.
@integralmath You still misunderstand. I reject HTWW's overall philosophy and agree with the one TF was promoting at the time. But TFs use of ad-hom and poisoning the well was bad argumentation, and poor rhetorical strategy
it doesn't discredit the logic of the argument he was using... but was poor rheetoric. I thought he lost that debate at the time and forgot about the logic he threw in because he focused so much on the 4 eyes thing!
Graduates may be less likely to get a job, but what jobs are we looking at?
3:00 Considering ALL possible jobs, 60% is actually pretty high. Plus, this number doesn't mean much without the corresponding number from those without a degree.
3:21 And who would we look to for these "good arguments"?
The internet may have a lot of free facts, but a lot of it is contradictory, wrong, or missing (especially things learned in junior and senior years). There's also no guarantee one has gone through all the facts needed for the corresponding degree simply by having internet access. Besides, it wouldn't hurt to have a professor explain the stuff in more detail (usually) if one has any questions. This might not be Tf00t's argument, but I just don't like how you ridicule him about "free facts".
Amusing. Go read some economics text books (Which you can also buy on Amazon). Look up education, this 'question' is examined from virtually every direction with the exception of irrational processes such as religion (Economists don't really see a bunch of Bronze age cultists trying to protect the sanctity of their religion by discouraging education as a reasonable argument for reducing investment in hard education).
@Pwn00b What I was attempting to address in this video... And poorly executed... Is that any individual based on their individual situation may have valid reason to delay formal education. Example: I recently bought a house, cash in full (yay crappy housing market). Because of said crappy market, I wouldn't be able to sell. I desire to go back to school to BE an educator. The political climate is not friendly to teachers in my state atm, and I have a job that provides benefits and insurance now
@Celephais42 The argument that the individual should assess their own situation is absolutely sound. It is completely unreasonable of anyone (Thunderf00t included) to say that everyone should be made to, or coerced into, gaining some arbitrary level of education. Economic theory suggests that people should continue to study so long as the marginal benefit of study exceeds the marginal cost. For some, this equilibrium is encountered at a lower 'level' than others.
@Celephais42 The problem that most people face when trying to decide how much education is 'right' for them is that they don't know the benefits of their planed education before gaining that education. This problem is even greater for people with a low level of education as they will often lack the skills needed to adequately assess the benefits and costs of education, even if those benefits and costs are known. This is one of the main arguments for a 'minimum' high-level of education.
@Celephais42 I do disagree with Thunderf00t promoting education as a primarily 'social' concern (if he meant to imply this). I believe that education should be a completely personal issue. If everyone gained the level of education that maximized their own personal 'wealth' (be in monetary or otherwise), the overall level of education in that society would also be optimal. The 'Invisible Hand'. However, if the government intervenes (in the form of free education for e.g.) things get complicated.
It isn't pointless, and if you paid attention, that wasn't the point made. It was HOW the education system, in some instances at least, doesn't work. You know, like providing all facts but no practical knowledge and the steps to achieve a goal in education.
This video accomplished absolutely nothing. And it doesn't even properly address where TF was coming from.. If you think you are going to be a Nuclear Engineer off the internet ect..You would have to be a complete moron. Engineers in major areas of private or government sectors are not going to get those jobs without a college degree. Good luck with that.
Pogobats isn't even well educated in the field he's trying to argue in. Especially in economics... He's also someone I would not take economic advice from. There are better ways to argue than to show each others pretentiousness.
@TheJackelantern I couldn't care less about pogobats. I have no idea what he's arguing (taking your word it's economics, no idea what economic theory he holds to). This is not about defending pogobats. This video was calling TF to task for bad argumentation. Period. At the time, I was still subbed to the man and was hoping some critisism would provoke him to restore quality work. I wish I'd waited another 6 months.
@jackanthem90 Are you unable to distinguish between the methods of ATTEMPTING to educate and the methods of successful education? Isn't it fairly obvious that we have much of the former and a distinct lack of the latter in the US?
Or are you defending a failing system of education as TF did?
I don't know the situation in the US, but here in Imperial College, London, our Mechanical Engineering students are offered plenty of jobs in the financial industry - the points you make about students not working in jobs related to their majors has NOTHING to do with the hiring of people IN the majors fields.
While I agree with you that people have different learning styles - to learn the information on the courses here is hard enough with lecturers.
On top of that, to become a chartered engineer in the UK, its necessary to have spent 4 years (straight) at university on an engineering course, with a couple of years in industry as well.
In other words, the points you raise regarding civil engineers are the wrong part of the venn diagram - you don't want to look at the people not in civil who qualified, but the people who didn't qualify who are in civil engineering, since that's more of a point that TF's addressing.
This is just another anti-thunderf00t video. Seriously, I'm getting sick of those (but sir, this video is already several months old, you can't really comment something like that).
TF is trying to make a simple point, and people like you keep trying to make him look like a douche.
You might be able to learn skills outside of college, but you MAY never have an understanding of why you do what you do if you don't go to college, therefor, you may never be able to learn from your mistakes.
@chadd990 For starters, as you mentioned, this was before anti-TF sentiments became trendy. Rather than using pogobat's video as a launch pad to identify and provide possible solutions to real problems in the education system at all levels, he rather went the route of drama and pwnage, based on a host of logical fallacies. Was this video a good response to that? No not really.
But for someone who champions open scrutiny of ideas, logic and the scientific method, something needed to be said.
he is the pinnacle of stupidity, arrogance, and selfishness... did i mention RACISM!!!
trying to seem like a know it all
u know damn right that education in todays scoiety is the downfall of creativity, the downfall to satisfaction in life, teaching extreme conformity, and depriving people of a life!
im not against it at all, but adovacting it to the extent you are bluntly wrong is just stupid
@Zanthios I can't let the racism assertion stand uncontested. It is evident from his blogtv with dlandoncole that he is against the ideology of Islam, not the people that are Muslim. While I would agree that his methodology for dealing with this issue harms more than it helps, his motivations for said methodology do not come from a position of racial hatred.
thunderf00t doesn't really make sense. he's trying to create doubt by saying if i dont believe in witches than i'm not a christian. i can believe in anything i want! but then thunderf00t can believe whatever he wants.....
lol, i find it funny that an ad'hominum attack on TF is what you resort to, please if you are intelegent actually use science to discredit TF. quotemining and adhominum suggest that you are an the offspring of an inbred man having sex with a monkey and then having a down sydromic child. See how pathetic a ad'hominum attack can look? Grow up and learn what intelegence is.
Histerical, video poster mentions a time article in which it references a job market which is tougher due to the fact that more people are getting college degrees (47% in 1973, 70% in 2008 from the article) as a defense for not getting a college education? That is almost a meaningless statistic unless you compare it against the earnings of that 70% of poeple versus the 30% who do not go.
What a college degree is, is a foot in the door. Without it many companies wont even look at you.
It's obvious what this is about. Islam is not supposed to be criticized under any circumstances. But here in the West, people are no longer frightened into silence by words like "blasphemer". So, they needed new words that still do seem to scare people in the West into silence: "racist" and "fascist".
By doing this, these uneducated and immoral bigots increasingly render the historic weight of the terms null & void. The far right could not have dreamt for better allies than Islamic apologists.
Thunderf00t is good at debating creationists, and thats about it. The thing is he gets piles of subscribers from doing this, which he then misleads into believing whatever political position and then sicks his subscribers on anyone he doesn't agree with to agressively down vote them, then he complains about freedom of speech or whatever.
Where was your argument? I feel like you just cited other people making bad arguments. Pogobat's point was that he didn't need education because information was readily available through the internet. Your video clearly shows why Pogobat is wrong: because it's terrible.
However, I submit most of his science videos are not that well made either. They advance somewhat interesting material--but they're overly long and bumbling. In the video you're criticizing he obnoxiously turns to the screen while it becomes read to show his anger. That's really dumb. But so is pogobat's point: his fast access to knowledge is the result of academia doing the research to bring it to him.
@MediocreIdea It has been reported that terrorist recruitment has improved in the wake of this whole mosque issue. F00t is just adding fuel to the fire in his latest few vids, while also being a total unwitting tool for the GOP, as this is a wedge issue they've manufactured for the upcoming midterm elections.
As for the latter, I agree. Built on the shoulders of giants and all that. But I think pogobat was addressing the present and possible future, not the past.
@Celephais42 ok ok i'll give you that but you cant really watch that kids video (pogobat) and walk away from it thinking anything but how contradictory and meaningless his viewpoints are
@Celephais42 LOL I feel like an idiot for asking this, but are you serious about the Carl Sagan comment? I thoroughly hope not. I might piss myself laughing.
@Celephais42 No it does not lol. Sry but it's the same reason I almost mistook Edward Current as serious. I have never watched your videos, and stupidity isn't exactly a rarity on youtube.
If you never even hinted to education being bad then this 'ownage' video doesn't make any sense and your a moron for even posting it. And you say "Getting cocky are we?" as if to say he can't say that he has a degree and that the other kid didn't. The reason you say its 'cocky' is because people think that people that stick around for there degrees are generally smarter. They're right.
@TehCompGuy LOl. For the past few months I get tons of comments accusing me of being anti-education now someone sees that this is NOT my position and I'm STILL a moron. Ok I admit, I failed to properly articulate my point in the vid. Please read my comments below where I make my point more clear, and we discuss from there if you like. Anyway, thanks for watching.
1:57 you show a table that arouses the idea that you think you have MORE chance to find a job without a diploma? Poor choice of table.
Then the book thing LOOOOL. You seem the lick the asses of the publishers of those college books that change two paragraphs in the entire books and then prey students will buy the new edition while the old one is still sufficient for 99,9%.
@vibonacci Please read the comment string that starts with soldier4242's post. It is 3 comments below your first post. I do not advocate people dropping out, but understand that in the real world people may have legitimate reasons to do so. My, evidently poorly constructed, video was intended to make this point and that it is simply a dick move to get on one's case about a personal decision. One can always go back to school afterall.
every parry made in the black screens is of pathetic quality. First screen: so after you've seen that college quality has gone down you suggest not attending it at all is even a solution? You suggest it is better to study by yourself at home so that a employer has no way to check your status of knowledge? You suggest to perform research and discovery by YOURSELF?
Further... Bachelor is NOT considered a full college graduate. That would be someone with both a bachelor AND a master diploma
@Celephais42 Are you honestly taking a position against education? I agree with everything thunderfoot is saying. Sure it sounds a bit elitist but when I higher someone to do something of extreme importance or difficulty I do look for credentials. A degree is one way to earn credentials that will demonstrate to a prospective employer that you have knowledge in that area. I see nothing wrong with that.
@soldier4242 of course I'm not taking a position against education. And I understand that a degree us the best we have to establish credentials (aside from job experience.) but the reality of the situation is that there is a disconnect between the job market and the education system. Thus, I don't have a problem with someone dropping out of college right now, especially if you know people with a degree, no job and a mountain of student loan debt. It's unfair to criticize when you are all set
@Celephais42 utter drivel. If you only see the value of a degree in terms of employment then it's easy to understand why you think dropping out is okay.
@meekychuppet If it's not for that scrap of paper for employment, then self education combined with dialogue in an open forum such as this is more than sufficient for personal development. Which was the point of the video f00t was responding to, by arguing that you need a degree to be employable. So which is it?
How about you guys get your story straight on why dropping out is sooooo bad and then get back to me
The fact is that education is never bad, and in particular academic environments promote far more than a certificate guaranteeing work. By all means continue huffing and puffing like this - Glen Beck will retire one day after all - but I am not supporting tf00t per se, I am calling you on your bullshit.
The world is not made of binary absolutes, despite your crusade to define it as such.
@meekychuppet I never said education was bad. So... Strawman and some overly self-important bluster, ah an assertion worth responding to.
Re: binary absolutes
Within the context of this video, I'm not the one arguing that one is some kind of ignorant moron if one decides to drop out. That absolutism is coming from your side. If you are referencing another vid, it was made by request, and is by no means an effort in proselytizing for my metaphysical worldview
@meekychuppet Bottom line: yes, a formal education is best, but unless you are prepared to argue that a person's thoughts/ideas/opinions are not due consideration unless they have a degree of some sort, then I have no idea what bullshit you presume to call me on.
What's Thunderf00t's day job? If he's making 6 figures or works as a college professor or scientist then maybe he has a valid point. Seems to me he just makes youtube videos. Isn't using your college degree to argue with people on youtube no better than being a college drop out who makes a living on youtube too?
@celephais42 you attempted (and failed) to disprove thunderf00ts arguments, now i'm going to do the same thing to you. It's not subscriber envy you moron he's pissed that people like YOU are insulting the university education system. strike 1. "people have different learning styles". REALLY! THAT"S YOU'RE ARGUMENT. if university doesn't fit with your "learning style" then YOU fail not the school. strike 2. you argued the point "facts are free" by sugesting PURCHASING A BOOK! strike 3. you're out
@comguy9 Grats you just debunked... my sarcasm. Nice strawman, but my real point was to illustrate that in this economy one might have valid reasons for not completing a degree at this time. Talk to the grads with a degree, a shit job flipping burgers, and a mountain of student loan debt, and you might get the idea. There is a disconnect between the university education and the job market, but Dan Brown suggests the universities need to change, not me.
@comguy9 You see that part where I said what my real point was, and how your opening premise was incorrect? That makes the rest of your comment irrelevant. It's a logical fallacy called "Begging the question". Incidentally, it is the same logical fallacy F00t committed in his video when he started going on about science, engineering, etc. IF Dan Brown were a science major, it would be legit, BUT if Dan Brown were majoring in some liberal art, then F00t's argument falls flat. Apples'n'Oranges
@tommyk77 you thank that's the only thing that worsened his case? i struck one out, let's try for the inning. you are saying that because of an excess of grads you shouldn't go to school. try this 50 people for a job 5 have PHDs 40 have undergrads and 5 are dropouts. whats the chance that a dropout gets the job? that logic is so bad it gets 2 strikes. here is the major point. you are arguing that an education doesn't matter for employment when THAT'S NOT WHAT THUNDERF00T WAS ARGUING! two down.
@tommyk77 i agreed with you, mostly. sorry i needed more characters so a replied to yours. sorry if i was kind of incoherent. its just that people like this who have no idea whats actually going on in the real world make these stupid videos and now some kid is going to watch this and believe it and that infuriates me.
@comguy9 Some kid is going to watch this and believe it? Seems to me that any kid who goes or doesn't go to college because "Youtube Personality X" says so or not, has no business being in college in the first place.
@Celephais42 you really believe that a 7 year old has the capacity to analyze factual arguments? here's the deal, a kid watches this and says, "it's on the internet so it must be true!". you are failure.
@comguy9 But that same 7 year old has 11 years to develop critical thinking, by which time any videos made nowadays are long forgotten. What parent lets their 7 year old watch my channel anyway?
@tommyk77 it's just that society now is going to lose a doctor, or an engineer, or a historian because this guy couldn't stop and realize that his arguments are crap. i mean his first argument was that thunderf00t's points were invalid because pogobat has more subscribers!
@comguy9 You seriously need to learn to notice the difference between sarcasm and legitimate arguments, and realize that just because the former is used, doesn't detract from the latter.
@Celephais42 i'm sorry but wrong again. using sarcasm in an argument does retract from the point you are trying to make. if i go into an academic's office and try to prove something using sarcasm, not only will i not convince him or her i would probably get laughed out of the building
@comguy9 First this is YouTube not academia. Second, nearly everyone uses sarcasm in their arguments here, for the lulz if nothing else, including F00t, Dawkins, et al. Fourth, I noticed you failed to address that you missed the point of my vid in my response to your first comment
@Celephais42 i know it's not academia but if someone is going around telling facts then it should be treated as academia and be responded to appropriately, in this case being these comments saying that you need to read a non-fiction book.
@comguy9 My point, which you again failed to catch, is that if my arguments are invalidated because I made sarcastic comments, so are those of every other person on YT who does the same thing. As such, the sarcasm should be given whatever humorous giggles they are due, and the serious arguments treated as they should regardless of surrounding comments.
This video is really dumb. You are much more likely to be employed as a major graduate than a drop-out. Oh, and point of information, engineers get hired in many fields because they can problem solve.
Poor TF really stepped in it when he debated Comfort, and went on to make an ass of himself on other topics, with other arguments. I am glad you have taken the time to point this out to him.
I hope he sticks to lecturing about things he understands. It's a good habit for us all.
@MINGO4445 As F00t was cherry-picking the bible in his bible series, it's evident that creationists don't own the market on quote-mining. As such, I assume you mean to imply that I am a creationist, for which you would be wrong, as I'm not even a theist. If I have taken any of F00t's video out of context, please cite specific examples
Did you actually have ANY sensible point to make or was this just an attempt to tell us all that you don't like Thunderfoot. Fuck, like him or not, at-least he explained his point. This video is an utter waste of 10 minutes. I'm afraid you're the one who failed.
Arguing that the education system gets in the way of ones education is moronic. Do you think college dropouts would have been able to develop the technologies responsible for the computer you're reading this on?
@CrunchyMush Lol.. Steve jobs, steve Wozniak and bill gates were all college dropouts. Yes they did go back and complete their degrees... AFTER revolutionizing the computer industry towards personal computers.
@Celephais42 What technologies did any of those people create? None of them would be worth a cent were it not for the personal computing boom of the 1980s which was made possible by the university educated researchers who developed those technologies. Do you honestly think Gates, Jobs or Wozniak (lol) have even the slightest understanding of the physical process responsible for even simple semi-conductors, let alone microprocessors? Paying others to invent does not a contribution make.
@CrunchyMush Woz was working on a mainframe for HP before creating the apple1 in 76. But that is neither here nor there. While I grant that a college education is necessary for the sciences (for the labs if nothing else) you and F00t are both begging the question (logical fallacy) that the only contributions to mankind can come through the sciences
Sure... And the guy who flips your burgers at McD's is contributing too. Someone's gotta do it right? I, nor Tfoot, ever claimed that the sciences were the only way to contribute.
The original video claimed that the education system was broken because, in the authors eyes, it failed to do it's job of teaching him so he advocated dropping out. Tfoot responded saying that it works exactly as it should, and in-fact the issue is with the dropouts, not the system... (continuted)
... (continued). So if the system is so broken, then show me where are the dropouts who have contributed significantly to furthering any of the areas of study (not just the sciences) which are taught academically at Universities. The system works, there are just some people who don't.
As for "Woz", what he did was repackage the advancements of others to make them marketable to the general public. He, like Jobs and Gates, was an entrepreneur.
@CrunchyMush you talk about the computer boom in the 80s. Which occured because a few entrepreneurs marketted the existing science to the public. The boom was not a one-sided relationship with the scientists as the only cause, nor the entrepeneurs the only beneficiaries. You are being intentionally dismissive of the entrepeneurs as a causal agent because they were drop- outs. What do you think it was more likely Dan brown was going to school for.. Science or business?
Gotta go the other way on this topic. Educating one's self is crucial, but it in no way replaces a college education. If anything there is something to be said for the credibility of the institution it's self and not only your respect for it, but your respect for knowledge it's self. Yes, someone could have bought the same the book and learned from it..... how do I know if they did or not.... a college education is a good indicator.
Wait, just so that I am on the right tracks, this response is a joke right? Ah well, I might kind of look like an idiot asking, but I cofess that I can't see the difference in sarcasm/comedy and plain stupidity at times.
You are rooting for dan to support himself on youtube videos forgetting that there were thousands of musicians on myspace and the site downgraded in a number of months. I mean even the number 1 most subscribed person goes to college and all the top subscribed guys have jobs and businesses. Not the best advice you can give anyone.
true enough though, you could probably solve the question in in under a month. Still, that book is actually quite useless for most things. We barely used it on our course.
As i understood it, Dan was essentially saying two things: 1) The style of education is shifting from the lecturer/student situation into a more independent learning system. 2) The university setting is not for him.
While Dan's historical facts concerning education are highly flawed, the essence of his points are legitimate. At any rate, what TF was bitching about was a strawman and not Dan's argument at all.
Well, both TF and the other guy are right and wrong. A BA really wont' get you anything, but highly specialized degrees (by that, I mean technical degrees, like A.S's, B.S.'s, masters and so forth) will get you far more employment opportunities than just a high school diploma. Not all college degrees are created equal. The main problem with higher education I see in the US though is it costs too fucking much, and that problem really needs to be addressed.
Wow this is just a nonsense video just made to batch Thunderf00t. i agree dropping out of school is normally not a good idea. yes you can make it big but no one will give you a high paying job if you don´t have a proof of the knowledge, aka a degree. So there is just one way for you left and that is to be a entrepreneur. but were are you going to get the money? banks probably wont lend you, and what are you going to do if you fale?
Well non one's perfect. Not even the great Thunderf00t and I love the guy. I really just think he doesn''t have a complete understanding of American Evangelism and politics. His heart is in the right place and he is right. He just doesn't know how to present some things very well.Boo hoo an Atheist slipped up a little bit. I actually respect TF a little more because of his ocasional mistakes.
well, you are argumenting about education with a brit, the stats you presented are different in europe.
in physics in norway about 95-97% of all masters at UiO had a relevant job within 1 year of finishing, and most of the sciences, it is about 90-97% (depending on field).
PS; master level in norway, is different from the US. It puts you at a lvl between masters and PhD in the US
I am a college grad. I graduated last June. I got employed in October in my field. I make 5 times more than I did at my previous job. Thanks, college.
And no, to become a scientist you need the degree (the result of a proper education), and to work on your field. It´s not "a long process", whatever that means.
@fedea82 You need more than a degree to be a scientist. You need several. That's what's what I meant by saying that it's a long process. I thought this was obvious to most people.
For example, if he has a bachelor's degree he might be a research assistant. A master's degree would allow him to do some research. A doctorate is what one would normally expect from a real scientist.
@chapaev36 How many degrees, exactly? It´s not obvious to me. Thunderf00t has two. I don´t remember the name of the specialization he did, you´ll have to forgive me my laziness. And besides, what´s your evidence to claim that I´m angry with you? I´m just expressing my disagreement. Finally, you didn´t tell me in which point he showed his "ignorance" about science.
@fedea82 It really depends on what degrees he has. If he has a doctorate then he's a real scientist and is probably doing independent research. As for science, he doesn't do any in his videos - most of his work here is refutation of creationist nonsense. I don't think him to be stupid - rather, as I've said, he's a glorified pwnage guy. Also, no scientist I know of does "all science" - chemists aren't physics aren't cosmologists. Be careful with the appeals to authority.
You and him look the same :P!
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Such delusional people, they believe that just because they repeated like parrots what they told them to repeat in a government approved institution, they suddenly are smart and can explain everything? He he he, true knowledge that can empower the average individual is not taught in the universities, true knowledge is not subject to someone's recognition, review, or approval. Everything from the top to the bottom of this establishment is corrupted but what it teaches is true and accurate? Morons
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Atheists fail by default, but ignorance and denial can make wonders into their delusional minds, if only so many families weren't broken, the things would be different
emel0n 4 weeks ago
i could take this response more seriously if you hadn't used porno music.
buuski 1 month ago
Oh yes, the ol 'I learn differently' hocus pocus. Sure sure, everyone is a genius like Bill Gates. That's right, advocate people to drop out when the skill level is already too low. The solution to shit schools and average university degrees is to STUDY MORE; and go to a college that matters.
Man you Americans are dumb...
thebigoneisbig 1 month ago
People DO have different learning styles...but if it can't be accommodated for by any known teaching method (including self-teach), what good is it? Accommodation is a two-way street; teaching can and has adapted to the needs of students, but sometimes the student has to adapt too. Considering the current state of institutionalized education, I think students need to adjust more, not universities.
CQUNC 3 months ago
>see title
>leave a dislike
>go back to Thunderf00t
ZeSharkz 4 months ago
I can't believe I wasted over nine minutes of my life on this.
You know, mocking someone and stating your opinions about what they say, and showing sources for your opinions of what they say, isn't really the same thing as demonstrating a "fail."
ksmartialarts 4 months ago
Yea people have different learning styles. Unfortunately not learning a damn thing, and dropping out is one of these styles....
kyle92223 6 months ago
@kyle92223 oh right so Richard Branson didn't learn a thing? Mike Hudack also didn't learn a thing right? You are not smarter or better by default if you have an education. And I have a Bachelor btw.
philateliceun 4 months ago
Chill on the sounds next time please
Direnaar 7 months ago
@Direnaar
you speak the truth.
The8thDOCTOR 5 months ago
Thanks. I wish I could have write more about my opinion about the video, but since english is my 3rd language - I'm afraid it wont be very effective. Just wanted to mention I liked your video.
RRRRAAZI 7 months ago
I am quite confused by much of your nonsense in here. Particularly, when you a.) observe that HTWW is wrong and then b.) argue that his wrongness counts a "deconstruction" of tf00t's argument. These two claims are logically incompatible.
integralmath 8 months ago
@integralmath Allow me to simplify. I'm essentially saying, in regards to TF on HTWW, "I agree with you on X, however, the argument you used to advance X was crap. Use better arguments."
Celephais42 8 months ago
@Celephais42: which has nothing whatever to do with what I said. You claim that tf00t's arguments were deconstructed by a refutation you yourself reject as being true. If the response is untrue, then it cannot be either a refutation or a deconstruction in any meaningful sense. It is completely a nonsensical arrangement of words as it is not something that can map onto reality.
integralmath 8 months ago
@integralmath You still misunderstand. I reject HTWW's overall philosophy and agree with the one TF was promoting at the time. But TFs use of ad-hom and poisoning the well was bad argumentation, and poor rhetorical strategy
Celephais42 8 months ago
@Celephais42
it doesn't discredit the logic of the argument he was using... but was poor rheetoric. I thought he lost that debate at the time and forgot about the logic he threw in because he focused so much on the 4 eyes thing!
unassumption 5 months ago
Graduates may be less likely to get a job, but what jobs are we looking at?
3:00 Considering ALL possible jobs, 60% is actually pretty high. Plus, this number doesn't mean much without the corresponding number from those without a degree.
3:21 And who would we look to for these "good arguments"?
CQUNC 3 months ago
The internet may have a lot of free facts, but a lot of it is contradictory, wrong, or missing (especially things learned in junior and senior years). There's also no guarantee one has gone through all the facts needed for the corresponding degree simply by having internet access. Besides, it wouldn't hurt to have a professor explain the stuff in more detail (usually) if one has any questions. This might not be Tf00t's argument, but I just don't like how you ridicule him about "free facts".
CQUNC 3 months ago
Amusing. Go read some economics text books (Which you can also buy on Amazon). Look up education, this 'question' is examined from virtually every direction with the exception of irrational processes such as religion (Economists don't really see a bunch of Bronze age cultists trying to protect the sanctity of their religion by discouraging education as a reasonable argument for reducing investment in hard education).
Pwn00b 9 months ago
@Pwn00b What I was attempting to address in this video... And poorly executed... Is that any individual based on their individual situation may have valid reason to delay formal education. Example: I recently bought a house, cash in full (yay crappy housing market). Because of said crappy market, I wouldn't be able to sell. I desire to go back to school to BE an educator. The political climate is not friendly to teachers in my state atm, and I have a job that provides benefits and insurance now
Celephais42 9 months ago
@Celephais42 The argument that the individual should assess their own situation is absolutely sound. It is completely unreasonable of anyone (Thunderf00t included) to say that everyone should be made to, or coerced into, gaining some arbitrary level of education. Economic theory suggests that people should continue to study so long as the marginal benefit of study exceeds the marginal cost. For some, this equilibrium is encountered at a lower 'level' than others.
Pwn00b 9 months ago
@Celephais42 The problem that most people face when trying to decide how much education is 'right' for them is that they don't know the benefits of their planed education before gaining that education. This problem is even greater for people with a low level of education as they will often lack the skills needed to adequately assess the benefits and costs of education, even if those benefits and costs are known. This is one of the main arguments for a 'minimum' high-level of education.
Pwn00b 9 months ago
@Celephais42 I do disagree with Thunderf00t promoting education as a primarily 'social' concern (if he meant to imply this). I believe that education should be a completely personal issue. If everyone gained the level of education that maximized their own personal 'wealth' (be in monetary or otherwise), the overall level of education in that society would also be optimal. The 'Invisible Hand'. However, if the government intervenes (in the form of free education for e.g.) things get complicated.
Pwn00b 9 months ago
Hahaha nice video. That guy needs a lot of "peer review".... I can see the drones are attracted here too.... hahaha
ONESPECIES 10 months ago
this is stupid. the argument that post-secondary education is pointless is just some pussy who was afraid to leave his moms basement
touchestoomuch 11 months ago
It isn't pointless, and if you paid attention, that wasn't the point made. It was HOW the education system, in some instances at least, doesn't work. You know, like providing all facts but no practical knowledge and the steps to achieve a goal in education.
Mythosician06 10 months ago
@Mythosician06 History majors?
HybridD91 9 months ago
This video accomplished absolutely nothing. And it doesn't even properly address where TF was coming from.. If you think you are going to be a Nuclear Engineer off the internet ect..You would have to be a complete moron. Engineers in major areas of private or government sectors are not going to get those jobs without a college degree. Good luck with that.
TheJackelantern 11 months ago
@TheJackelantern This begs the question: Was pogobats going to school to be an engineer?
Celephais42 11 months ago
@Celephais42
Pogobats isn't even well educated in the field he's trying to argue in. Especially in economics... He's also someone I would not take economic advice from. There are better ways to argue than to show each others pretentiousness.
TheJackelantern 11 months ago
@TheJackelantern I couldn't care less about pogobats. I have no idea what he's arguing (taking your word it's economics, no idea what economic theory he holds to). This is not about defending pogobats. This video was calling TF to task for bad argumentation. Period. At the time, I was still subbed to the man and was hoping some critisism would provoke him to restore quality work. I wish I'd waited another 6 months.
Celephais42 11 months ago
@Celephais42
Yeah, I would hope he would return to quality work too.. I've noticed the quality of his work tank since I've seen his first video 4 days ago. :/
TheJackelantern 11 months ago
Sure you can buy the physics book, but without a college educator helping you do the problem/understand the book you're pretty much boned.
NathanUCSC 1 year ago
This is a fail of the video maker rather than thunderf00t. Thumbs down.
ray4ix 1 year ago
whats wrong everybody against thunderfoot??
bl89ze 1 year ago
@jackanthem90 Are you unable to distinguish between the methods of ATTEMPTING to educate and the methods of successful education? Isn't it fairly obvious that we have much of the former and a distinct lack of the latter in the US?
Or are you defending a failing system of education as TF did?
Celephais42 1 year ago
I don't know the situation in the US, but here in Imperial College, London, our Mechanical Engineering students are offered plenty of jobs in the financial industry - the points you make about students not working in jobs related to their majors has NOTHING to do with the hiring of people IN the majors fields.
While I agree with you that people have different learning styles - to learn the information on the courses here is hard enough with lecturers.
Samuelwhatshisface 1 year ago
On top of that, to become a chartered engineer in the UK, its necessary to have spent 4 years (straight) at university on an engineering course, with a couple of years in industry as well.
In other words, the points you raise regarding civil engineers are the wrong part of the venn diagram - you don't want to look at the people not in civil who qualified, but the people who didn't qualify who are in civil engineering, since that's more of a point that TF's addressing.
Samuelwhatshisface 1 year ago
This is just another anti-thunderf00t video. Seriously, I'm getting sick of those (but sir, this video is already several months old, you can't really comment something like that).
TF is trying to make a simple point, and people like you keep trying to make him look like a douche.
You might be able to learn skills outside of college, but you MAY never have an understanding of why you do what you do if you don't go to college, therefor, you may never be able to learn from your mistakes.
chadd990 1 year ago
@chadd990 For starters, as you mentioned, this was before anti-TF sentiments became trendy. Rather than using pogobat's video as a launch pad to identify and provide possible solutions to real problems in the education system at all levels, he rather went the route of drama and pwnage, based on a host of logical fallacies. Was this video a good response to that? No not really.
But for someone who champions open scrutiny of ideas, logic and the scientific method, something needed to be said.
Celephais42 1 year ago
Tf00t>you
66gt40lm 1 year ago
thunderf00t is a complete idiot!
he is the pinnacle of stupidity, arrogance, and selfishness... did i mention RACISM!!!
trying to seem like a know it all
u know damn right that education in todays scoiety is the downfall of creativity, the downfall to satisfaction in life, teaching extreme conformity, and depriving people of a life!
im not against it at all, but adovacting it to the extent you are bluntly wrong is just stupid
Zanthios 1 year ago
@Zanthios I can't let the racism assertion stand uncontested. It is evident from his blogtv with dlandoncole that he is against the ideology of Islam, not the people that are Muslim. While I would agree that his methodology for dealing with this issue harms more than it helps, his motivations for said methodology do not come from a position of racial hatred.
Celephais42 1 year ago
thunderf00t doesn't really make sense. he's trying to create doubt by saying if i dont believe in witches than i'm not a christian. i can believe in anything i want! but then thunderf00t can believe whatever he wants.....
micLuc14 1 year ago
lol, i find it funny that an ad'hominum attack on TF is what you resort to, please if you are intelegent actually use science to discredit TF. quotemining and adhominum suggest that you are an the offspring of an inbred man having sex with a monkey and then having a down sydromic child. See how pathetic a ad'hominum attack can look? Grow up and learn what intelegence is.
calus14 1 year ago
@calus14 lol, says the one who blindly insults people, saying random vulgarity about intercourse with monkeys and down syndrome
saxophoneninja 1 year ago
Thunderf00t swallows!
nothingtolose3234 1 year ago
quote mining ftw, STFU
lightingrings 1 year ago
Can I dislike this twice?
Gekitatsu 1 year ago
I agree that TF was a bit aggressive towards Dan Brown (who was very polite, and even clarified his views), but this video is just stupid.
HorridDreams 1 year ago
Histerical, video poster mentions a time article in which it references a job market which is tougher due to the fact that more people are getting college degrees (47% in 1973, 70% in 2008 from the article) as a defense for not getting a college education? That is almost a meaningless statistic unless you compare it against the earnings of that 70% of poeple versus the 30% who do not go.
What a college degree is, is a foot in the door. Without it many companies wont even look at you.
Mithrandirself 1 year ago
HAHA WOW, THIS VIDEO IS ONE GIANT SMEAR AGAINST THUNDERFOOT, TAKING HIM COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT!!!!
StevieDisopolis 1 year ago
It's obvious what this is about. Islam is not supposed to be criticized under any circumstances. But here in the West, people are no longer frightened into silence by words like "blasphemer". So, they needed new words that still do seem to scare people in the West into silence: "racist" and "fascist".
By doing this, these uneducated and immoral bigots increasingly render the historic weight of the terms null & void. The far right could not have dreamt for better allies than Islamic apologists.
GluttonForSex 1 year ago
Thunderf00t is good at debating creationists, and thats about it. The thing is he gets piles of subscribers from doing this, which he then misleads into believing whatever political position and then sicks his subscribers on anyone he doesn't agree with to agressively down vote them, then he complains about freedom of speech or whatever.
Houshalter 1 year ago
Where was your argument? I feel like you just cited other people making bad arguments. Pogobat's point was that he didn't need education because information was readily available through the internet. Your video clearly shows why Pogobat is wrong: because it's terrible.
MediocreIdea 1 year ago
@MediocreIdea In a nutshell, my argument is TF makes crap videos if he doesn't stick to science, his area of expertise.
Now he's making al qaeda recruitment videos. It's sad really
Celephais42 1 year ago
@Celephais42 Al qaeda recruitment videos? Get real.
MetalSwitch95 1 year ago
@Celephais42 Al Qaeda recruitment videos? Huh?
However, I submit most of his science videos are not that well made either. They advance somewhat interesting material--but they're overly long and bumbling. In the video you're criticizing he obnoxiously turns to the screen while it becomes read to show his anger. That's really dumb. But so is pogobat's point: his fast access to knowledge is the result of academia doing the research to bring it to him.
MediocreIdea 1 year ago
@MediocreIdea It has been reported that terrorist recruitment has improved in the wake of this whole mosque issue. F00t is just adding fuel to the fire in his latest few vids, while also being a total unwitting tool for the GOP, as this is a wedge issue they've manufactured for the upcoming midterm elections.
As for the latter, I agree. Built on the shoulders of giants and all that. But I think pogobat was addressing the present and possible future, not the past.
Celephais42 1 year ago
celephais42 your a dumbass
shadoeboi212 1 year ago
@shadoeboi212 *You're
Yep our education system is so awesome, yet people can't identify the grammatical difference between possession and being.
Celephais42 1 year ago
@Celephais42 yes i have bad grammar. English is an over complicated language. Also this is the internet almost everybody has bad grammar.
shadoeboi212 1 year ago
@Celephais42 p.s. You're still a idiot
shadoeboi212 1 year ago
@shadoeboi212 *an idiot
Fail
Celephais42 1 year ago
@Celephais42 please note that i do not give a shit
shadoeboi212 1 year ago
@shadoeboi212 Please note, at this point your opinion on this topic has no credibility anyway
Celephais42 1 year ago
@Celephais42 neither does yours
shadoeboi212 1 year ago
Thanks Cele42, for showing Thunderf00t is smarter than you.
gregrutz 1 year ago
6/10
angeloowtf 1 year ago
take a look at the dislikes lol im pretty sure everyone in the free world know pogofag is a loser and a moron and Thunderf00t was right
StarbuckHysteria 1 year ago
@StarbuckHysteria Not even 20% of viewers voted. 52% disliked. Yep, it's unanimous.
Check the video response to this vid. Appears Carl Sagan is a loser and a moron too.
Celephais42 1 year ago
@Celephais42 ok ok i'll give you that but you cant really watch that kids video (pogobat) and walk away from it thinking anything but how contradictory and meaningless his viewpoints are
StarbuckHysteria 1 year ago
@Celephais42 LOL I feel like an idiot for asking this, but are you serious about the Carl Sagan comment? I thoroughly hope not. I might piss myself laughing.
HatemailMagnet 1 year ago
@HatemailMagnet Text doesn't convey sarcasm well does it? ;)
Celephais42 1 year ago
@Celephais42 No it does not lol. Sry but it's the same reason I almost mistook Edward Current as serious. I have never watched your videos, and stupidity isn't exactly a rarity on youtube.
HatemailMagnet 1 year ago
If you never even hinted to education being bad then this 'ownage' video doesn't make any sense and your a moron for even posting it. And you say "Getting cocky are we?" as if to say he can't say that he has a degree and that the other kid didn't. The reason you say its 'cocky' is because people think that people that stick around for there degrees are generally smarter. They're right.
TehCompGuy 1 year ago
@TehCompGuy LOl. For the past few months I get tons of comments accusing me of being anti-education now someone sees that this is NOT my position and I'm STILL a moron. Ok I admit, I failed to properly articulate my point in the vid. Please read my comments below where I make my point more clear, and we discuss from there if you like. Anyway, thanks for watching.
Celephais42 1 year ago
1:57 you show a table that arouses the idea that you think you have MORE chance to find a job without a diploma? Poor choice of table.
Then the book thing LOOOOL. You seem the lick the asses of the publishers of those college books that change two paragraphs in the entire books and then prey students will buy the new edition while the old one is still sufficient for 99,9%.
Argh enough: you are a fool.
vibonacci 1 year ago
@vibonacci Please read the comment string that starts with soldier4242's post. It is 3 comments below your first post. I do not advocate people dropping out, but understand that in the real world people may have legitimate reasons to do so. My, evidently poorly constructed, video was intended to make this point and that it is simply a dick move to get on one's case about a personal decision. One can always go back to school afterall.
Celephais42 1 year ago
every parry made in the black screens is of pathetic quality. First screen: so after you've seen that college quality has gone down you suggest not attending it at all is even a solution? You suggest it is better to study by yourself at home so that a employer has no way to check your status of knowledge? You suggest to perform research and discovery by YOURSELF?
Further... Bachelor is NOT considered a full college graduate. That would be someone with both a bachelor AND a master diploma
vibonacci 1 year ago
Hah... The ol Eyeball Manny Chambers eh?
HaligonianType1 1 year ago
Thunderfoot fail = making catty comments nit picking random shit like his edition on his text!? Are you serious :(. Most of what Tfoot said is right.
Rangerfury144 1 year ago
@Celephais42 Are you honestly taking a position against education? I agree with everything thunderfoot is saying. Sure it sounds a bit elitist but when I higher someone to do something of extreme importance or difficulty I do look for credentials. A degree is one way to earn credentials that will demonstrate to a prospective employer that you have knowledge in that area. I see nothing wrong with that.
soldier4242 1 year ago
@soldier4242 of course I'm not taking a position against education. And I understand that a degree us the best we have to establish credentials (aside from job experience.) but the reality of the situation is that there is a disconnect between the job market and the education system. Thus, I don't have a problem with someone dropping out of college right now, especially if you know people with a degree, no job and a mountain of student loan debt. It's unfair to criticize when you are all set
Celephais42 1 year ago
@Celephais42 utter drivel. If you only see the value of a degree in terms of employment then it's easy to understand why you think dropping out is okay.
meekychuppet 1 year ago
@meekychuppet If it's not for that scrap of paper for employment, then self education combined with dialogue in an open forum such as this is more than sufficient for personal development. Which was the point of the video f00t was responding to, by arguing that you need a degree to be employable. So which is it?
How about you guys get your story straight on why dropping out is sooooo bad and then get back to me
Celephais42 1 year ago
The fact is that education is never bad, and in particular academic environments promote far more than a certificate guaranteeing work. By all means continue huffing and puffing like this - Glen Beck will retire one day after all - but I am not supporting tf00t per se, I am calling you on your bullshit.
The world is not made of binary absolutes, despite your crusade to define it as such.
meekychuppet 1 year ago
@meekychuppet I never said education was bad. So... Strawman and some overly self-important bluster, ah an assertion worth responding to.
Re: binary absolutes
Within the context of this video, I'm not the one arguing that one is some kind of ignorant moron if one decides to drop out. That absolutism is coming from your side. If you are referencing another vid, it was made by request, and is by no means an effort in proselytizing for my metaphysical worldview
Celephais42 1 year ago
@meekychuppet Bottom line: yes, a formal education is best, but unless you are prepared to argue that a person's thoughts/ideas/opinions are not due consideration unless they have a degree of some sort, then I have no idea what bullshit you presume to call me on.
Celephais42 1 year ago
What's Thunderf00t's day job? If he's making 6 figures or works as a college professor or scientist then maybe he has a valid point. Seems to me he just makes youtube videos. Isn't using your college degree to argue with people on youtube no better than being a college drop out who makes a living on youtube too?
Thorbie 1 year ago
thunderf00t does seem very staged at times. kinda like hes acting
peoplz360 1 year ago
Good video, that TF video pushed my buttons a bit too hard. Guy needs to be knocked down a peg or 2.
MultiUniv3rsal 1 year ago
Was this video just one huge compilation of fallacies and side steps to teach us how not to refute an argument?
TheWhiteRabbit1990 1 year ago
thunderfoot said when do people look at someone who is a college dropout.
bill gates, 'nuff said.
ManlySlut 1 year ago
@ManlySlut Not 'nuff said. Did you watch Tf00t's vid? He brings Gates up and compares it to the reliability of parachutes.
CulBaka 1 year ago
@CulBaka I actually can't remember.
ManlySlut 1 year ago
@celephais42 you attempted (and failed) to disprove thunderf00ts arguments, now i'm going to do the same thing to you. It's not subscriber envy you moron he's pissed that people like YOU are insulting the university education system. strike 1. "people have different learning styles". REALLY! THAT"S YOU'RE ARGUMENT. if university doesn't fit with your "learning style" then YOU fail not the school. strike 2. you argued the point "facts are free" by sugesting PURCHASING A BOOK! strike 3. you're out
comguy9 1 year ago
@comguy9 Grats you just debunked... my sarcasm. Nice strawman, but my real point was to illustrate that in this economy one might have valid reasons for not completing a degree at this time. Talk to the grads with a degree, a shit job flipping burgers, and a mountain of student loan debt, and you might get the idea. There is a disconnect between the university education and the job market, but Dan Brown suggests the universities need to change, not me.
Celephais42 1 year ago
@Celephais42 ok so i insulted your sarcasm along with your arguments such as "you can find free facts on Google by purchasing a book on amazon.com"
comguy9 1 year ago
@comguy9 You see that part where I said what my real point was, and how your opening premise was incorrect? That makes the rest of your comment irrelevant. It's a logical fallacy called "Begging the question". Incidentally, it is the same logical fallacy F00t committed in his video when he started going on about science, engineering, etc. IF Dan Brown were a science major, it would be legit, BUT if Dan Brown were majoring in some liberal art, then F00t's argument falls flat. Apples'n'Oranges
Celephais42 1 year ago
That TIME article only worsened your case
tommyk77 1 year ago
@tommyk77 you thank that's the only thing that worsened his case? i struck one out, let's try for the inning. you are saying that because of an excess of grads you shouldn't go to school. try this 50 people for a job 5 have PHDs 40 have undergrads and 5 are dropouts. whats the chance that a dropout gets the job? that logic is so bad it gets 2 strikes. here is the major point. you are arguing that an education doesn't matter for employment when THAT'S NOT WHAT THUNDERF00T WAS ARGUING! two down.
comguy9 1 year ago
@comguy9 Erm, what just happened? I'm on your side!
tommyk77 1 year ago
@tommyk77 i agreed with you, mostly. sorry i needed more characters so a replied to yours. sorry if i was kind of incoherent. its just that people like this who have no idea whats actually going on in the real world make these stupid videos and now some kid is going to watch this and believe it and that infuriates me.
comguy9 1 year ago
@comguy9 Some kid is going to watch this and believe it? Seems to me that any kid who goes or doesn't go to college because "Youtube Personality X" says so or not, has no business being in college in the first place.
Celephais42 1 year ago
@Celephais42 you really believe that a 7 year old has the capacity to analyze factual arguments? here's the deal, a kid watches this and says, "it's on the internet so it must be true!". you are failure.
comguy9 1 year ago
@comguy9 But that same 7 year old has 11 years to develop critical thinking, by which time any videos made nowadays are long forgotten. What parent lets their 7 year old watch my channel anyway?
Celephais42 1 year ago
@tommyk77 it's just that society now is going to lose a doctor, or an engineer, or a historian because this guy couldn't stop and realize that his arguments are crap. i mean his first argument was that thunderf00t's points were invalid because pogobat has more subscribers!
comguy9 1 year ago
@comguy9 Yes, if we were to address all the fails in this video it would require tens of comments :-P
tommyk77 1 year ago
@comguy9 You seriously need to learn to notice the difference between sarcasm and legitimate arguments, and realize that just because the former is used, doesn't detract from the latter.
Celephais42 1 year ago
@Celephais42 i'm sorry but wrong again. using sarcasm in an argument does retract from the point you are trying to make. if i go into an academic's office and try to prove something using sarcasm, not only will i not convince him or her i would probably get laughed out of the building
comguy9 1 year ago
@comguy9 First this is YouTube not academia. Second, nearly everyone uses sarcasm in their arguments here, for the lulz if nothing else, including F00t, Dawkins, et al. Fourth, I noticed you failed to address that you missed the point of my vid in my response to your first comment
Celephais42 1 year ago
@Celephais42 i know it's not academia but if someone is going around telling facts then it should be treated as academia and be responded to appropriately, in this case being these comments saying that you need to read a non-fiction book.
comguy9 1 year ago
@comguy9 My point, which you again failed to catch, is that if my arguments are invalidated because I made sarcastic comments, so are those of every other person on YT who does the same thing. As such, the sarcasm should be given whatever humorous giggles they are due, and the serious arguments treated as they should regardless of surrounding comments.
Celephais42 1 year ago
This video is really dumb. You are much more likely to be employed as a major graduate than a drop-out. Oh, and point of information, engineers get hired in many fields because they can problem solve.
niallphelan28 1 year ago
Poor TF really stepped in it when he debated Comfort, and went on to make an ass of himself on other topics, with other arguments. I am glad you have taken the time to point this out to him.
I hope he sticks to lecturing about things he understands. It's a good habit for us all.
pumkinpi2 1 year ago
Creationist quote mining. Thats all.
MINGO4445 1 year ago
@MINGO4445 As F00t was cherry-picking the bible in his bible series, it's evident that creationists don't own the market on quote-mining. As such, I assume you mean to imply that I am a creationist, for which you would be wrong, as I'm not even a theist. If I have taken any of F00t's video out of context, please cite specific examples
Celephais42 1 year ago
Did you actually have ANY sensible point to make or was this just an attempt to tell us all that you don't like Thunderfoot. Fuck, like him or not, at-least he explained his point. This video is an utter waste of 10 minutes. I'm afraid you're the one who failed.
Arguing that the education system gets in the way of ones education is moronic. Do you think college dropouts would have been able to develop the technologies responsible for the computer you're reading this on?
CrunchyMush 1 year ago
@CrunchyMush Lol.. Steve jobs, steve Wozniak and bill gates were all college dropouts. Yes they did go back and complete their degrees... AFTER revolutionizing the computer industry towards personal computers.
Celephais42 1 year ago
@Celephais42 What technologies did any of those people create? None of them would be worth a cent were it not for the personal computing boom of the 1980s which was made possible by the university educated researchers who developed those technologies. Do you honestly think Gates, Jobs or Wozniak (lol) have even the slightest understanding of the physical process responsible for even simple semi-conductors, let alone microprocessors? Paying others to invent does not a contribution make.
CrunchyMush 1 year ago
@CrunchyMush Woz was working on a mainframe for HP before creating the apple1 in 76. But that is neither here nor there. While I grant that a college education is necessary for the sciences (for the labs if nothing else) you and F00t are both begging the question (logical fallacy) that the only contributions to mankind can come through the sciences
Celephais42 1 year ago
@Celephais42
Sure... And the guy who flips your burgers at McD's is contributing too. Someone's gotta do it right? I, nor Tfoot, ever claimed that the sciences were the only way to contribute.
The original video claimed that the education system was broken because, in the authors eyes, it failed to do it's job of teaching him so he advocated dropping out. Tfoot responded saying that it works exactly as it should, and in-fact the issue is with the dropouts, not the system... (continuted)
CrunchyMush 1 year ago
@Celephais42
... (continued). So if the system is so broken, then show me where are the dropouts who have contributed significantly to furthering any of the areas of study (not just the sciences) which are taught academically at Universities. The system works, there are just some people who don't.
As for "Woz", what he did was repackage the advancements of others to make them marketable to the general public. He, like Jobs and Gates, was an entrepreneur.
An artist is nothing without a brush.
CrunchyMush 1 year ago
@CrunchyMush you talk about the computer boom in the 80s. Which occured because a few entrepreneurs marketted the existing science to the public. The boom was not a one-sided relationship with the scientists as the only cause, nor the entrepeneurs the only beneficiaries. You are being intentionally dismissive of the entrepeneurs as a causal agent because they were drop- outs. What do you think it was more likely Dan brown was going to school for.. Science or business?
Celephais42 1 year ago
Gotta go the other way on this topic. Educating one's self is crucial, but it in no way replaces a college education. If anything there is something to be said for the credibility of the institution it's self and not only your respect for it, but your respect for knowledge it's self. Yes, someone could have bought the same the book and learned from it..... how do I know if they did or not.... a college education is a good indicator.
mindstain75 1 year ago
the maker of this video is obviously is noob debator -.-. ur stats are way too out dated. if u cant find any recent ones, dont use it
jukaye 1 year ago
If you make future videos, I'd omit the music. It was okay for awhile, around 4:00 it starts to take away from the video's point.
XChrisUnknownX 1 year ago
Wait, just so that I am on the right tracks, this response is a joke right? Ah well, I might kind of look like an idiot asking, but I cofess that I can't see the difference in sarcasm/comedy and plain stupidity at times.
Skummiso 1 year ago
Thunderf00t EPIC win
Bartnet1991 1 year ago
You are rooting for dan to support himself on youtube videos forgetting that there were thousands of musicians on myspace and the site downgraded in a number of months. I mean even the number 1 most subscribed person goes to college and all the top subscribed guys have jobs and businesses. Not the best advice you can give anyone.
charliesplinterTV 1 year ago
true enough though, you could probably solve the question in in under a month. Still, that book is actually quite useless for most things. We barely used it on our course.
ASKaPHYSICIST 1 year ago
You're unable to form logical arguments.
ASKaPHYSICIST 1 year ago
lol GO Thunderf00t put this drop out in his place
antibus11 1 year ago
As i understood it, Dan was essentially saying two things: 1) The style of education is shifting from the lecturer/student situation into a more independent learning system. 2) The university setting is not for him.
While Dan's historical facts concerning education are highly flawed, the essence of his points are legitimate. At any rate, what TF was bitching about was a strawman and not Dan's argument at all.
MarshalNey13 1 year ago
FEAR THE BUNNY !
gregrutz 1 year ago
Well, both TF and the other guy are right and wrong. A BA really wont' get you anything, but highly specialized degrees (by that, I mean technical degrees, like A.S's, B.S.'s, masters and so forth) will get you far more employment opportunities than just a high school diploma. Not all college degrees are created equal. The main problem with higher education I see in the US though is it costs too fucking much, and that problem really needs to be addressed.
TiradeFaction 1 year ago
Self proclaimed reputation.
ScrewAttackChina 1 year ago
fail video. Dont fuck with TF
Orious11 1 year ago
this video is pointless, TFs arguments are logical.
1234keji 1 year ago
The techno beat in the background ruined everything.
noseman123 1 year ago
2).
- His option is viable: Not if he wants a good Job, the statistics show those with degrees get better jobs.
- the fact the engineers don't have jobs that specialise in their major doesnt mean they arnt doing engineering
- saying that you are qualified for something simply because the information is available to you is a terrible argument.
- SO MANY MANY MORE
types10000 1 year ago
1).
- Bad mouthing not against science: And the fact it was against education makes it ok?
- Subscriber envy: No, but it does give an idea of viewing audience and impact of such a statement
- Different learning styles: Dropping out of a learning institution is a learning style is it?
- He did well: success isnt measured in the amount of subscribers someone has.
- Looked to dropouts for vision in the past: you miss the point completely
-More students: more than a BA means MORE not less
types10000 1 year ago
Mess with the bull you get the horns
Aeonhem 1 year ago
decent video, sorta jumps around a bit.
about the college portion of it, all I can say is different people are different.
if you wanted to apply science to the college argument you could point out the fact that young minds learn faster than older ones.
and that should a mind wish to pursue a specific avenue, then it had best drop out of college and really hone that skill, then exploit it.
after all, what is college but a test to see if you can jump through hoops for four years?
cyncmaster150 1 year ago
That happens when you go too deep, you dig up too much shit.
naveslaikss 1 year ago
Wow this is just a nonsense video just made to batch Thunderf00t. i agree dropping out of school is normally not a good idea. yes you can make it big but no one will give you a high paying job if you don´t have a proof of the knowledge, aka a degree. So there is just one way for you left and that is to be a entrepreneur. but were are you going to get the money? banks probably wont lend you, and what are you going to do if you fale?
huni35 1 year ago
@huni35 That is completely untrue.
atronix 1 year ago
Well non one's perfect. Not even the great Thunderf00t and I love the guy. I really just think he doesn''t have a complete understanding of American Evangelism and politics. His heart is in the right place and he is right. He just doesn't know how to present some things very well.Boo hoo an Atheist slipped up a little bit. I actually respect TF a little more because of his ocasional mistakes.
MasterAdam100 1 year ago
your cool bro
Wintermageknight 1 year ago
@ Celephais42 .... You have a lot to learn sweety.
Just try not to b such an obvious troll next time ;)
ISAhub 1 year ago
This made me lol.
This christian nutjob is a comedy goldmine :P
ProcessLoH 1 year ago
@ProcessLoH Not a Christian or even a theist of any variety. Nor am I subscribed to or a fan of pogobat.
Just calling it how I see it.
Celephais42 1 year ago
You're an idiot.
lordwindowlicker 1 year ago
You missed the whole point, quite possibly proving his point. This video is fail
br8d1 1 year ago
well, you are argumenting about education with a brit, the stats you presented are different in europe.
in physics in norway about 95-97% of all masters at UiO had a relevant job within 1 year of finishing, and most of the sciences, it is about 90-97% (depending on field).
PS; master level in norway, is different from the US. It puts you at a lvl between masters and PhD in the US
mrKreuzfeld 1 year ago
I am a college grad. I graduated last June. I got employed in October in my field. I make 5 times more than I did at my previous job. Thanks, college.
understudy52 1 year ago
@michaelalec84 Because in general I like TF.
Celephais42 1 year ago
@Celephais42 then whyed you make a shitty video attempting to insult him...
funkkiller 1 year ago
And no, to become a scientist you need the degree (the result of a proper education), and to work on your field. It´s not "a long process", whatever that means.
fedea82 1 year ago
@fedea82 You need more than a degree to be a scientist. You need several. That's what's what I meant by saying that it's a long process. I thought this was obvious to most people.
chapaev36 1 year ago
For example, if he has a bachelor's degree he might be a research assistant. A master's degree would allow him to do some research. A doctorate is what one would normally expect from a real scientist.
chapaev36 1 year ago
@chapaev36 How many degrees, exactly? It´s not obvious to me. Thunderf00t has two. I don´t remember the name of the specialization he did, you´ll have to forgive me my laziness. And besides, what´s your evidence to claim that I´m angry with you? I´m just expressing my disagreement. Finally, you didn´t tell me in which point he showed his "ignorance" about science.
fedea82 1 year ago
@fedea82 It really depends on what degrees he has. If he has a doctorate then he's a real scientist and is probably doing independent research. As for science, he doesn't do any in his videos - most of his work here is refutation of creationist nonsense. I don't think him to be stupid - rather, as I've said, he's a glorified pwnage guy. Also, no scientist I know of does "all science" - chemists aren't physics aren't cosmologists. Be careful with the appeals to authority.
chapaev36 1 year ago