The Toyota is better in according to the video in every other way... but the Subi wins cause it has so called better handling ? WHO THE HELL BUY THIS CARS FOR HANDLING AND FUN
The Forester will see the Rav-4 taillights anyday rain or snow.
And the complaining about the steering feel can be fixed because thats where the RAV-5 SPORT comes into play with its tighter steering and sport tuned suspension so anyone talking about handling is thrown out the window.
When it comes to snow and mud, 4wd will always be better then awd. Thats why i would rather have the rav4 for off road. I also rather have have the 269 HP. Its a shame about the steering feel in toyota though
The Toyota rav-4 v6 not only has AWD but it also has a 4x4 lock. There is not a Subaru on this planet that has that! Idiots! The rav4 is not only faster and has a better transmission, it has a better model not shown here, the "sport" much better suspension, tighter and wider tires! And its cheaper too. 28,850 MSRP.
Do some research! If you don't believe me, go drive both of em yourself. I did.
Search "Subaru Forester AWD Uphill comparison. The forester DESTROYS The Rav 4 in every way off road. Not even close. You'd need a 4runner SR5 to come close to what Subaru did with their symetrical AWD. It's not even meant for 4x4ing and it still trashes everything in it's class ...Drive your toyota.. you're getting ripped off. Don't worry if you get stuck though, a Subaru will be there to pull you out.
Subaru´s 4x4 system in the automatic version is similar to the RAV´s. No mid differential only just a electonicaly controlled coupling. So the advance is vanished. Now fuel consumption is a theme. The Toyota engine is much more economical.. The Subaru boxer has a much stronger drinking because of its construction, 2 cylinders lines with big thermical loss. The Rav is much more roomy and with greater space flexability! The Toyota is objectiv the best car.
@bccbrd22 nice, i think im going to get a subaru next, but im not sure, my gf might be getting a audi, i want atleast one of us to have a awd, so if she has a audi..might still go with a sti, or i might go rwd, but atm iv got my 4 spd 65' beetle and my 6 spd 2012 chevy cruze
I noticed that in a lot of the 'random car vs subaru' comparisons, the subaru generally wins because it's more fun to drive and it's extremely capable. I don't think you'd be bored driving a subaru, which is something you can't say about most vehicles.
I really liked the review. Honest and real. This will help me sell more Subies! Now the 2012 model boasts a timing chain, and an oil filter on TOP of the motor.
@bccbrd22 pass a 3rd petal? and i know, its lame that people are that stupid though cus driving manual is not only better but way more fun, lol, atm iv got a 4 speed and a 6 speed :)
RAV4 is for people who need a crossover with 4wd for light snow/rain and lots of cargo + dependability. The V6 is there for the highway passing, where it is quite a beast. The steering feel is non-existent, like any other Toyota.
The Forester has a better 4wd system and a much more rigid chassis (from an Impreza) and better driving fun. The turbo engine is quite good, but the 4spd auto-box nerfs the turbo. Surprising roomy and capable.
@Trades46 There's a major differance between 4wd and AWD...you just insulted a Subaru enthusiast...maybe you should do your work a little more about AWD AND 4WD!!!
@rdiaz206 Sorry for mixing up the terms; Too easy to mismatch due to marketing lingo these days. Yes i know: 4wd means locking center/rear diffs and on-demand traction used in trucks and Wranglers, and the AWD is a full-time system used on roads.
Doesn't change the fact the Toyota's AWD system (marketed as 4wd for whatever reason) is not as good as the multi-plate unit found in the Subaru AWD.
@Trades46 "The steering feel is non-existent, like any other Toyota."
The LFA has no steering feel ? How about that ISF ? Or what about the RWD scion FR-S? Or maybe the GS350 F-Sport has no steering feel also ?
The ONLY good cars subi has that performers good is the STI and that subi BEST performing car their best car cant beat Toyotas best performing car hell none of subi cars can beat the 414 hp ISF.
AND FYI if this was the SPORT model Rav-4 it would handle better.
@Toyota4Life Obviously Mr Toyota lover has been living under a rock for since 2004 when the Supra/Celica/MR2 was murdered. None of the cars above has a Toyota badge on them. And don't give me the garbage of badge engineering either. Even then, the LFA is still slower compared to the cheaper GT-R and the ISF comes up short to the M3. The GS is still being outsold by every other E/5/A6 out in the real world.
Toyota was a good company, and i do hope that the FR-S would bring back the glory days
the really stupid thing about the forester 4 speed is it used to have more gears, and a manual option like good cars have, but nope, i hate the new forester, however id take a 06 or 05 forester xt anyday
The RAV4 "Sport" is an option package which adds a spoiler and a red badge and bigger wheels. Not really performance upgrades but could possible make the car feel more fun to drive.
@tinhinnh You're right, however the only difference in suspension is the front struts. The sway bars, links, and rear struts are identical in the Limited and Sport versions. You can check out the OEM parts list online.
@superhanis The american/canadian markets don't get those cars. We have the Rogue and on the bigger size, the Murano, and on the smaller end the Juke.
In the midst of shopping for either Forester/Rav4, replacing my Xterra. Test driving preferred the Forester, more engaging, less body roll, but will probably go with Rav4 V6, more towing capacity, locking diff., The Rav4 is the most efficient compromise to my Xterra .
the Subaru's looks do certainly not appeal to me.. it looks sort of cheap in my eyes i'd go for the Toyota any day and i don't care if it's not as fun on the roads to drive since i love doing some off roading
@glencw66, No.04, Neither of them. We do not recommend you these two, as there are many better options in the market. None of these two, offers the on- and off-road comfortability, one desires nowadays. Thank you.
My brother has a 99 Outback Sport with 200k on it and has never replaced the timing belt or rebuilt the engine. I rolled my 2008 Outback and drove it away (after being flipped back over of course) All of my Subarus have easily surpassed 200k with little maintenance. Safe and reliable. I'm sure the Toyotas' are fine too.
Subaru all the way! Ain't a damn thing wrong with a 4spd auto. Half the moving parts twice the reliability. If you really are a pussy who needs more gears than you can keep up with then buy a mercedes. Plus subaru's been perfecting that 4spd for 20+ years, so i think its trustworthy...
sad they cant put a proper mirror that is not dangerous on the outside of the car for reversing ???????? some people are sooooo dumb subaru people ...
BUTH FOR ME SUBARU IS BETTER VEHICULE THAT TOYOTA HAVE A CENTER GRAVITY BOXER ENGINE FOR BETTER HANDLING TOYOTA IS V6 TRANSVERSAL WICH IS NOT GOOD FOR HANDLE TO ME A PREFER SUBARU ALL THE WAY
I'm a Toyota guy, but for a cross over .. Forester FTW especially when parts are interchangeable between Subaru models which means you can have a Forester with STi parts !
We started to buy a RAV4, but the Toyota dealer messed all of the paperwork up, and tried to cheat us of an $8,000 difference! After three hours at the Toyota dealer we just left because it really wasn't worth the wait or aggravation. So we went and tried a Forester out and loved it, so we bought it. and I'm really glad we did because it is amazing in the worst of road conditions. Which I assume the RAV4 is too, but I'm really impressed with it
И америкосы думают что это был off-road тест?!?!??!?!? Ёптить, приезжайте в Россию, то, где они гоняли, у нас впорядке вещей. Они ещё настоящего говна на дороге не видили. Просмотрел весь ролик, у меня на дачу дорога хуже. Это видео - ОТСТОЙ (BASTARD)
I've heard many questions about CVTs. Usually they do well in hybrid vehicles with their drivetrains. The only major manufacturers that do it well is Subaru, but like you said, still has its downfall with from what I hear engine whininess and high rev range, and Nissan. Nissan has that done with their cars and unibody SUVs (Murano and Rogue). The paddle shifters can work as 6 speeds in manual mode (that's what Subaru reps say).
Remember, I also said "groan" when I mentioned CVT because they tend to have flaws like you experienced with the Legacy. If I want the Legacy, I'll consider the one with the flat-6 engine with a 5 speed auto. Thanks for the info.
@76carmel Well, don't get me wrong! it's a great system in the legacy, just getting up to high way speed and quick starts make you think this engine is gonna blow! haha.seems like they've addressed those annoyances in the impreza though! so maybe they will do the same if they put it in the forester!
If you presented your review more in terms of 'Why you would/wouldn't buy car X" they would be better. Other than this, some very solid reviews. Particular enjoyable because they are different than the others I typically watch.
Hey Romanmicagearguy! I was wondering where the dirt roads you tested these two vehicles are? Is it near Boulder like you said in the video? If so, where in Boulder?
I have a 2008 V6 Rav4 that I just simply law. we had 1 of the worst winters in new york ever in 2010 and this car worked wonders. this car proved to be more than capable while driving through a blizzard from new york to ohio. lots of power, excellent 4wd, and very roomy. Did I say just how much I love this car?
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These guys are sponsored by sabaru, lol.. In reality the RAV4 Rips the forester to pieces, and there are absolutely no problems with the toyota's door to the trunkl. Forester is a nice car too though, but RAV = much better.
@Freddeysup the door to the trunk opens sideways so when u park in a parking lot, noone can drive by ur rav4 because there is no space in the driving lane
this video shows a single opinioned two persons. it reveals that these persons are belonging to subaru company i.e general motors. whenever there is a contest it should be from both sides. in this video the toyota is disgraced. while the toyota is the first choice of many people due to its low price and high quality. the general motors is in fact a very scientific manufacturer of the class vehicle but its prices are very costly as compared to toyota.
this video shows a single opinioned two persons. it reveals that these persons are belonging to subaru company i.e general motors. whenever there is a contest it should be from both sides. in this video the toyota is disgraced. while the toyota is the first choice of many people due to its low price and high quality. the general motors is in fact a very scientific manufacturer of the class vehicle but its prices are very costly as compared to toyota.
this is not a test drive in a shot flashed just the leading faces, dirt ?)))) went with me to go fishing, I will show dirt and it is, a country road about anything, both machines are absolutely not ready for off-road clearance of nothing Subaru turbo bury her in a little clay, four speed automatic transmissions with its long, may help, but not much. At Toyota on the contrary, a good tyagovity
Stupidest video ever made about the Rav. I have a four cylinder '07 rav and I drive that thing like a damn corvette. Tight corners with bikes and skis on my rav and it still does everything fine. Except when it comes to going up the mtns., I'd prefer a little more power but hell, the rav is hell of a car and I'm going to hold on to it for a long time!
Es una lástima que tanto tiempo del video tengamos que ver los rostros poco agradables de este par de comentaristas. Sería mas viable y agradable que mientras se hacen las pruebas solo viéramos los vehículos, escuchándolos comentar, pero sin que salgan a cuadro. Ojalá mejore el sistema.
I disagree. I think Rav4 is better. I mean what is Subaru thinking with the 4 speed automatic and a 5 speed stick. Seriously. It is 2011. Even KIA stopped using 4 speeds 10 years ago. 6-speed automatics are everywhere and 6 speed manuals. And here you have a 4 speed Forester. Get out of here. That, and its much smaller on the inside. Rav4 has more space than Outback.
Ehhmmm....The Rav4 is one of the worst 4WD SUVs in its segment. It shares the same useless 4WD system like the CR-V.
When it comes to real 4WD in a small SUV, the Forester is one of the winners (along with the Vitara).
Who needs a huge V6 engine that at the end of the day wont be any help because the 4WD system sucks?
Even thought I am not fan of the 4 speed auto tranny (it needs at least 5) I prefer a really good Turbo Engine with one of the best AWD system. Subaru any time over Toyota.
He's talking about the 4 speed like people are going to race a Forester. I mean, don't get me wrong I love our Forester, but it's not a performance vehicle.
it would be nice to see more of the cars and less of your faces, while you're making your comments. just get to the point and when you talk about something, show it on the screen at the same time
Can't wait for the 2012/2013 line up. Subaru is going to bring it, I hope lol. But when a car manufacturer doesn't change a lot in 1-2 years, its usually because they are investing in something bigger. Go Subaru! I hope Forester will get 6 speed manual. I will definitely buy one then...
subaru need 91 + octane rav4 required only 87 try and put 87 octane in the subaru and see how fast it go. turbo engine doen't last, small engine get stress out as it add miles.
rav4 v6 awd 0-60 6.2 sec subaru forester xt 0-60 9.2 sec okay let go with the subaru in the dust haa haaaa. any way toyota own subaru as in traction It all come down to the tires.
rav4 v6 awd 0-60 6.2 sec subaru forester xt 0-60 9.2 sec okay let go with the subaru in the dust haa haaaa. any way toyota own subaru as in traction It all come donw to the tires.
@tuanrav4 Your wrong about 0 to 60 time of the Forester XT buddy. The time you have posted is of the non-turbocharged engine. The actually 0 to 60 time of the Forester XT is:
6.8 according to Edmunds.com
6.6 according to Motor Trend
6.7 according to Car and Driver
All in the mid 6 range and all from credible sources. The XT is not that far off from the Rav4's 0 to 60 time. And considering the Rav4 has 45 more horsepower than the Forester it shouldn't be a surprise that the Toyota is quicker.
Please Toyota has out sold more of the Rav4s then these Foresters. You guys got paid by Subaru like all reviewers do. Subaru you need to get off not only the 4spd auto but the timing belts ughh how I hate thee. One of the reasons why I shy away from Subaru cause of the timing belts. I've driven Rav4s in the passed I think they are alot of fun. I've driven Foresters and just doesn't do anything for me.
@soyntgo4it There is nothing wrong with the timing belts on Subaru. If there is then you are not maintaining your car properly. And it's not like you are replacing them every month, or a year for that matter. Selling numbers tell absolutely nothing. Probably that one company spends a lot more money on marketing. RAV4 fun... yea right... on a straight line, maybe but debatable. Take the SAWD and flat engine on a high speed bendy roads and it will give you bigger adrenaline kick than Six Flags.
@mando1337 Stop trying convince yourself that timing belt is normal in a 2012 engine. I own a 03 Forester and I can tell you that a timing belt replacement in a Subaru can be really costly with all of those pulley idlers and the tensionner... Furthermore, in my case, I had to replace the engine 3000 miles after timing belt remplacement because of blown headgaskets and bad crank bearing... This is my 2th and last Subaru. Selling numbers tell everything.
@marr0094 I'm aware how much the cambelt replacement costs in a Subaru so try something else to surprise me.The belt is replaced every 5 years or 60000 miles. It's not like an oil change so please do NOT make a massive deal of it because it's not working. Furthermore don't tell me Subarus in 2012 use the same engine as your 03. In fact I suggest you read about the latest EJ
Sorry to hear about your HG but potentially the older the car the more problems you'll get regardless of the make
@mando1337 Putting almost 1000$ in a car when you already have normal wear and tear to pay for (brakes, tranny oil change, battery) is frustrating! Why not doing the things right from the starts?? Don't tell me about the "NEW" EJ... Wow! The HG problem was suppose to be solved in 2003 and ooohh after in 2005 and, know what, I heard about some 2007's with HG leaks!! And, google "subaru piston slap" just for fun... Trust me, I know what I'm talking about. Do you own a Subaru yourself?
@mando1337 BTW, my previous Subaru was a 1996 Legacy with the EJ22 engine. First, the car is still on the road today with the original engine (no rebuilt) and 281000 miles on the clock. That was a good engine!! Seconth, it was "normal" to have a timing belt, spark plug wires, no variable-valve timing and a 4 speed auto tranny in 1996 but not in 2003!! Come on, we are in the 21th century!
The Forester regularly is being voted one of the most reliable cars by TUV. I don't know what cars have you been driving in your life but it is simply not possible to have faultless car. I asked you to surprise me and you are coming up with the ring failure.. Like it's a big secret. Tell me something I don't know.
Not trying to be funny but "subaru piston slap" search gives 64600 results. "Toyota brake problems" comes with 9,250,000 results.
@mando1337 Ring failure? Did I wrote something about ring failures? I wrote something about costly ridiculous timing belt remplacement, about infamous HG leaks and piston slap issue. Don't know why but I prefer to pay one time for brakes problem to pay for engine rebuilt every 100000 miles. And please, just don't look at the number of results, read a bit more... Just for your info, my other car is a 2004 Toyota Matrix. Anyway, we don't have the same opinion and it's ok. Goodbye!
@marr0094 It is NOT ridiculously costly to replace the belt since you do it every 5 years or 60000 miles. I don't know how much it costs in USA but it seems in Europe we can live with it just fine. My friend recently had to do her belt on a 3 year old Audi A3.It was more costly than the Subaru.There goes your theory
I asked you to read about the "new" EJ because it's chain driven.. Happy now?
Flat engine is not for everyone, if you are not prepared to live with it buy a "normal" one.Goodday :)
@mando1337 Haha, you always have something to a reply for me!! I already know that the new EJ is chain driven, and it was the time!! I'm aware about flat engines differences. But, there is not that much differences as other engines... Flat engine does not excuse HG and piston slap issues. Flat engine does not excuse 4 speed auto tranny. I'm in Canada and my last timing belt replacement cost me about 750$. It's an another 750$ between other car repairs and monthly bills! Goodbye!
@marr0094 Oh and if I'm ever to be involved in a serious car accident I'll give any money in the world to be the driver/passenger sitting in the Subaru. And you know why!
Well I'm a Subaru fan and yes forester is better car but toyota owns Subaru. Actually both company are coming up with this new car Toyota ft-86 and Subaru ft-86.
WAIT... let me get this right.
The Toyota is better in according to the video in every other way... but the Subi wins cause it has so called better handling ? WHO THE HELL BUY THIS CARS FOR HANDLING AND FUN
The Forester will see the Rav-4 taillights anyday rain or snow.
And the complaining about the steering feel can be fixed because thats where the RAV-5 SPORT comes into play with its tighter steering and sport tuned suspension so anyone talking about handling is thrown out the window.
Toyota4Life 11 hours ago
even if you guys thought the Rav4 was better, i STILL wouldve picked the Subaru.
dspec78 2 days ago
is the subaru not available with a manual transmission?
FabrezeFRESH 3 days ago
Subaru all day.
jonajs98 4 days ago
When it comes to snow and mud, 4wd will always be better then awd. Thats why i would rather have the rav4 for off road. I also rather have have the 269 HP. Its a shame about the steering feel in toyota though
rangerover06sc 1 week ago
The Toyota rav-4 v6 not only has AWD but it also has a 4x4 lock. There is not a Subaru on this planet that has that! Idiots! The rav4 is not only faster and has a better transmission, it has a better model not shown here, the "sport" much better suspension, tighter and wider tires! And its cheaper too. 28,850 MSRP.
Do some research! If you don't believe me, go drive both of em yourself. I did.
Bring it Subaru dykes!
Notyourfriend123 1 week ago
@Notyourfriend123
Search "Subaru Forester AWD Uphill comparison. The forester DESTROYS The Rav 4 in every way off road. Not even close. You'd need a 4runner SR5 to come close to what Subaru did with their symetrical AWD. It's not even meant for 4x4ing and it still trashes everything in it's class ...Drive your toyota.. you're getting ripped off. Don't worry if you get stuck though, a Subaru will be there to pull you out.
RoadTripVidz 1 week ago
Subaru´s 4x4 system in the automatic version is similar to the RAV´s. No mid differential only just a electonicaly controlled coupling. So the advance is vanished. Now fuel consumption is a theme. The Toyota engine is much more economical.. The Subaru boxer has a much stronger drinking because of its construction, 2 cylinders lines with big thermical loss. The Rav is much more roomy and with greater space flexability! The Toyota is objectiv the best car.
Alexandrosmr1 1 week ago
Subaru's AWD is way more superior
13thgerman 1 week ago
I love Subarus. They have the best AWD system.
schellingr 1 week ago
were they trying to be funny at the end putting him in the toyota with just a stroller but in the subaru with a crap ton of stuff?
Berelore 1 week ago
what is with these guys and quirks..
tomlad11 1 week ago
Сравнили жопу с пальцем.
TheEx1m 1 week ago
I object to your use of "quirk" and "mash-up" and your assessment of the Rav4's looks.
didjamatic 1 week ago
subaru its in other level., I keep with subaru
lalotanno 2 weeks ago
@bccbrd22 nice, i think im going to get a subaru next, but im not sure, my gf might be getting a audi, i want atleast one of us to have a awd, so if she has a audi..might still go with a sti, or i might go rwd, but atm iv got my 4 spd 65' beetle and my 6 spd 2012 chevy cruze
itchysp 2 weeks ago
Rav 4 FTW!
canucksfan85 2 weeks ago
I noticed that in a lot of the 'random car vs subaru' comparisons, the subaru generally wins because it's more fun to drive and it's extremely capable. I don't think you'd be bored driving a subaru, which is something you can't say about most vehicles.
slandshark 2 weeks ago
guys, you and I know that its not the horsepower, its the torque.
GundamAngelicDevil 2 weeks ago
I really liked the review. Honest and real. This will help me sell more Subies! Now the 2012 model boasts a timing chain, and an oil filter on TOP of the motor.
egap420 3 weeks ago
@bccbrd22 pass a 3rd petal? and i know, its lame that people are that stupid though cus driving manual is not only better but way more fun, lol, atm iv got a 4 speed and a 6 speed :)
itchysp 3 weeks ago
RAV4 is for people who need a crossover with 4wd for light snow/rain and lots of cargo + dependability. The V6 is there for the highway passing, where it is quite a beast. The steering feel is non-existent, like any other Toyota.
The Forester has a better 4wd system and a much more rigid chassis (from an Impreza) and better driving fun. The turbo engine is quite good, but the 4spd auto-box nerfs the turbo. Surprising roomy and capable.
Trades46 3 weeks ago 6
@Trades46 There's a major differance between 4wd and AWD...you just insulted a Subaru enthusiast...maybe you should do your work a little more about AWD AND 4WD!!!
rdiaz206 4 days ago
@rdiaz206 Sorry for mixing up the terms; Too easy to mismatch due to marketing lingo these days. Yes i know: 4wd means locking center/rear diffs and on-demand traction used in trucks and Wranglers, and the AWD is a full-time system used on roads.
Doesn't change the fact the Toyota's AWD system (marketed as 4wd for whatever reason) is not as good as the multi-plate unit found in the Subaru AWD.
Trades46 1 day ago
@Trades46 "The steering feel is non-existent, like any other Toyota."
The LFA has no steering feel ? How about that ISF ? Or what about the RWD scion FR-S? Or maybe the GS350 F-Sport has no steering feel also ?
The ONLY good cars subi has that performers good is the STI and that subi BEST performing car their best car cant beat Toyotas best performing car hell none of subi cars can beat the 414 hp ISF.
AND FYI if this was the SPORT model Rav-4 it would handle better.
Toyota > Subi
Toyota4Life 11 hours ago
@Toyota4Life Obviously Mr Toyota lover has been living under a rock for since 2004 when the Supra/Celica/MR2 was murdered. None of the cars above has a Toyota badge on them. And don't give me the garbage of badge engineering either. Even then, the LFA is still slower compared to the cheaper GT-R and the ISF comes up short to the M3. The GS is still being outsold by every other E/5/A6 out in the real world.
Toyota was a good company, and i do hope that the FR-S would bring back the glory days
Trades46 9 hours ago
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PwnageMewsic 3 weeks ago
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PwnageMewsic 3 weeks ago
my answer is the f250 turbo diesel 4x4
12valvepower4 3 weeks ago
the really stupid thing about the forester 4 speed is it used to have more gears, and a manual option like good cars have, but nope, i hate the new forester, however id take a 06 or 05 forester xt anyday
itchysp 3 weeks ago
Good video. Good reviewers and points.
merri1lj 3 weeks ago
I'd take a Subaru over any Toyota on a snowy day any day of the week in a heartbeat.
jmahizzle 3 weeks ago 23
@jmahizzle Really ?
Cause I would take Celica GT4 Turbo over any subi on a Snoyw day
Toyota4Life 11 hours ago
Gooooooooooooooooo Subie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anzhela2 4 weeks ago
The RAV4 "Sport" is an option package which adds a spoiler and a red badge and bigger wheels. Not really performance upgrades but could possible make the car feel more fun to drive.
chewsir 4 weeks ago
@chewsir
ugh, it has a "Sport-ier" suspension.
tinhinnh 4 weeks ago
@tinhinnh You're right, however the only difference in suspension is the front struts. The sway bars, links, and rear struts are identical in the Limited and Sport versions. You can check out the OEM parts list online.
chewsir 2 weeks ago
How about Nissan X-trail?
superhanis 4 weeks ago
@superhanis The american/canadian markets don't get those cars. We have the Rogue and on the bigger size, the Murano, and on the smaller end the Juke.
tominator23 3 weeks ago
Dependable is not quirky.
Propfrwrd 4 weeks ago
The 'yota's not fun to drive? Should've test the Rav4 Sport then.
tinhinnh 4 weeks ago
I want a 1 million speed tranny. lol but yeah a 4 speed auto is dated.
leadnsteel 1 month ago
he reminds me of a mix between jack black and tyler labine
dmbfan07cb 1 month ago
that wasn't much of a comparison...
steezosaurusrex 1 month ago
both are tiring vehicle
sandalveda 1 month ago
In the midst of shopping for either Forester/Rav4, replacing my Xterra. Test driving preferred the Forester, more engaging, less body roll, but will probably go with Rav4 V6, more towing capacity, locking diff., The Rav4 is the most efficient compromise to my Xterra .
2029steve 1 month ago
the Subaru's looks do certainly not appeal to me.. it looks sort of cheap in my eyes i'd go for the Toyota any day and i don't care if it's not as fun on the roads to drive since i love doing some off roading
MrWalterShow 1 month ago
who would rather pick a toyota for a Subaru?
i mean im a honda fanboy but given the chance to pick CR-V of Forester, i would pick the forester in a heartbeat
WhatThePresidentSays 1 month ago
Your bald head is quircky..
TheTreeTech1 1 month ago
I would rather have a strong and proven 4 speed than a flimsy 6 speed.
MetaView7 1 month ago
The 4 speed auto in the Forrester is just embarrassing.
phoenixm4 1 month ago
I hated my crude sti based turbo forester transmission and lousy mpg.. so I sold it. otherwise it was a blast.. such a shame
nitsudg 1 month ago
I see a language class coming for you guys.
trefod 1 month ago
So Subaru is more quirkier
adyyy22 1 month ago
Subaru is overpriced and old fashioned.
sangolt88 1 month ago
nice video... id go for the Subaru Forester as feel the bigger AWD/4x4 could be a bit to much for everyday use.
glencw66 1 month ago
@glencw66, No.04, Neither of them. We do not recommend you these two, as there are many better options in the market. None of these two, offers the on- and off-road comfortability, one desires nowadays. Thank you.
BusinessPrivateNet 1 month ago
...and i've taken them off road.
MWorsa 1 month ago
My brother has a 99 Outback Sport with 200k on it and has never replaced the timing belt or rebuilt the engine. I rolled my 2008 Outback and drove it away (after being flipped back over of course) All of my Subarus have easily surpassed 200k with little maintenance. Safe and reliable. I'm sure the Toyotas' are fine too.
MWorsa 1 month ago
@MWorsa not as good as subaru. im 3rd in my family who got the toyota and its not as good as subaru trust me
maxim159 1 month ago
Cool vid...stop using the word "quirk" to mean something both good and bad. Doesn't it mean something sort of odd?
MWorsa 1 month ago
mooooog
Rossaur 1 month ago
Subaru all the way! Ain't a damn thing wrong with a 4spd auto. Half the moving parts twice the reliability. If you really are a pussy who needs more gears than you can keep up with then buy a mercedes. Plus subaru's been perfecting that 4spd for 20+ years, so i think its trustworthy...
VBSouthpaw 1 month ago
sad they cant put a proper mirror that is not dangerous on the outside of the car for reversing ???????? some people are sooooo dumb subaru people ...
goron45 1 month ago
I had to Google Quirk... Just to make sure... >.<
wesleysuperman 1 month ago
I wish that they would shut the fuck up with the word quirk!
TacoVsMoose 1 month ago
So is a "quirk" a good thing or a bad thing?
bcowan64 1 month ago
im sorry to me subaru is better in handling quality crash safety
TheJuanito1212 1 month ago
Subaru has a higher crash safety rating.
lukedm5 1 month ago
4cy vs V6???
Exia2004 1 month ago
@Exia2004 Turbo 4cylinder, quite a large 4cyl too.
lukedm5 1 month ago
your issue is not the 4 speed automatic its that your buying the same basic engine as an sti and buying it with an automatic. Manual FTW
clickitcan 1 month ago
Just because you have 8 speeds out there doesn't mean that all cars need one...
autofixation 1 month ago
BUTH FOR ME SUBARU IS BETTER VEHICULE THAT TOYOTA HAVE A CENTER GRAVITY BOXER ENGINE FOR BETTER HANDLING TOYOTA IS V6 TRANSVERSAL WICH IS NOT GOOD FOR HANDLE TO ME A PREFER SUBARU ALL THE WAY
TheJuanito1212 1 month ago
@TheJuanito1212 You need to learn how to you punctuation. Otherwise, its difficult to read what you're saying.
donperrignon 1 month ago
i love my subaru impreza wrx, but for a CUV i bought the RDX. its just more fun and has pretty good power and torque.
immortal4942 1 month ago
nothing wrong with a four speed really, this is kind of a shitty review...
TheBmann506 1 month ago
and once again. I wouldn't take either off road.
117nathanmyers 1 month ago
The Toyota Rav 4 V6 4WD gets 17/22 not 19/26 as stated here. At least get the MPG right.
Nbuilder1 1 month ago
@Nbuilder1 do you have a "2011" rav 4?
Lacross523 1 month ago
@Lacross523
My wife has a 2011 3.5L V6 4WD. And it gets about 21/22 MPG combined driving in the winter.
Nbuilder1 1 month ago
@Nbuilder1 oh..well guess im wrong. very sorry about that
Lacross523 1 month ago
How long did it take you two to pick which car to make out in?
pulledofftheroad 1 month ago
These guys r supprisingly not annoying as car reviewers. Keep up the good work guys
docjekyll2002 1 month ago
I'm a Toyota guy, but for a cross over .. Forester FTW especially when parts are interchangeable between Subaru models which means you can have a Forester with STi parts !
kumachn 1 month ago
get a real job
Fourbore 1 month ago
If you are driving an automatic transmission offroad, you need to just stop doing reviews now..
TheRealDeathSheep 2 months ago
@TheRealDeathSheep You are probably not off-roading yourself to tell something like that. A lot of serious off-roader are driving automatics.
marr0094 1 month ago
We started to buy a RAV4, but the Toyota dealer messed all of the paperwork up, and tried to cheat us of an $8,000 difference! After three hours at the Toyota dealer we just left because it really wasn't worth the wait or aggravation. So we went and tried a Forester out and loved it, so we bought it. and I'm really glad we did because it is amazing in the worst of road conditions. Which I assume the RAV4 is too, but I'm really impressed with it
hottdylan1993 2 months ago
И америкосы думают что это был off-road тест?!?!??!?!? Ёптить, приезжайте в Россию, то, где они гоняли, у нас впорядке вещей. Они ещё настоящего говна на дороге не видили. Просмотрел весь ролик, у меня на дачу дорога хуже. Это видео - ОТСТОЙ (BASTARD)
MidnightNomade 2 months ago
The Forester could use at least a 5-speed auto or (groan) CVT like the Outback. But the CVT Subaru models have paddle-shifters though.
76carmel 2 months ago
@76carmel The CVT in the legacy SUCKS! but the new impreza, it pretty much rocks. im not quite sure how it would do in the forester...
markhenderson123 2 months ago
@markhenderson123
I've heard many questions about CVTs. Usually they do well in hybrid vehicles with their drivetrains. The only major manufacturers that do it well is Subaru, but like you said, still has its downfall with from what I hear engine whininess and high rev range, and Nissan. Nissan has that done with their cars and unibody SUVs (Murano and Rogue). The paddle shifters can work as 6 speeds in manual mode (that's what Subaru reps say).
76carmel 2 months ago
@markhenderson123
Remember, I also said "groan" when I mentioned CVT because they tend to have flaws like you experienced with the Legacy. If I want the Legacy, I'll consider the one with the flat-6 engine with a 5 speed auto. Thanks for the info.
76carmel 2 months ago
@76carmel Well, don't get me wrong! it's a great system in the legacy, just getting up to high way speed and quick starts make you think this engine is gonna blow! haha.seems like they've addressed those annoyances in the impreza though! so maybe they will do the same if they put it in the forester!
markhenderson123 2 months ago
If you presented your review more in terms of 'Why you would/wouldn't buy car X" they would be better. Other than this, some very solid reviews. Particular enjoyable because they are different than the others I typically watch.
lauriejamesmackeson 2 months ago
Both are very cool but I prefer Subaru.
ThrashMetalFan10 2 months ago
Hey Romanmicagearguy! I was wondering where the dirt roads you tested these two vehicles are? Is it near Boulder like you said in the video? If so, where in Boulder?
DensetsuNoMajo 2 months ago
Toyota has the most problems of any auto maker, just read the consumer reports guide and see for yourself.
meattube4u33 3 months ago
lol
jubani93 3 months ago
I have a 2008 V6 Rav4 that I just simply law. we had 1 of the worst winters in new york ever in 2010 and this car worked wonders. this car proved to be more than capable while driving through a blizzard from new york to ohio. lots of power, excellent 4wd, and very roomy. Did I say just how much I love this car?
Desafinado30 3 months ago
Not sure if you guys know what "quirk" means, but otherwise, great video! I enjoy watching all your stuff.
jonathanlong724 3 months ago 22
@jonathanlong724 peculiarity?
lezeus 1 month ago
Both of those cars shuld be $21,000 not $31,000.
TZakPol 3 months ago 5
@TZakPol This would be the case if USD didn't depreciate so much over the past couple years~
nismotech 1 month ago
I love Subaru but one thing my buddy pointed out is that for some reason Subaru has moon roofs with no tint
usnusa2003 4 months ago
i see some more people enjoying your videos
bxmxwx7822 4 months ago
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These guys are sponsored by sabaru, lol.. In reality the RAV4 Rips the forester to pieces, and there are absolutely no problems with the toyota's door to the trunkl. Forester is a nice car too though, but RAV = much better.
Freddeysup 4 months ago
@Freddeysup the door to the trunk opens sideways so when u park in a parking lot, noone can drive by ur rav4 because there is no space in the driving lane
speedmonster001 3 months ago
@Freddeysup How come the RAV4 is a better car? Are u mad? Subaru handles way better onroad and with that symetrical awd is insane in snow and mud.
alienlivingform 3 months ago
@alienlivingform Nop, sadly ur the one whos both mad & wrong :(
Freddeysup 3 months ago
@Freddeysup (rofl) Yeah right :D
alienlivingform 3 months ago
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this video shows a single opinioned two persons. it reveals that these persons are belonging to subaru company i.e general motors. whenever there is a contest it should be from both sides. in this video the toyota is disgraced. while the toyota is the first choice of many people due to its low price and high quality. the general motors is in fact a very scientific manufacturer of the class vehicle but its prices are very costly as compared to toyota.
abidullahjazz 4 months ago
this video shows a single opinioned two persons. it reveals that these persons are belonging to subaru company i.e general motors. whenever there is a contest it should be from both sides. in this video the toyota is disgraced. while the toyota is the first choice of many people due to its low price and high quality. the general motors is in fact a very scientific manufacturer of the class vehicle but its prices are very costly as compared to toyota.
abidullahjazz 4 months ago
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alienlivingform 3 months ago
this is not a test drive in a shot flashed just the leading faces, dirt ?)))) went with me to go fishing, I will show dirt and it is, a country road about anything, both machines are absolutely not ready for off-road clearance of nothing Subaru turbo bury her in a little clay, four speed automatic transmissions with its long, may help, but not much. At Toyota on the contrary, a good tyagovity
snikulin78 4 months ago
subaru pride
dannyboy2579 4 months ago
Stupidest video ever made about the Rav. I have a four cylinder '07 rav and I drive that thing like a damn corvette. Tight corners with bikes and skis on my rav and it still does everything fine. Except when it comes to going up the mtns., I'd prefer a little more power but hell, the rav is hell of a car and I'm going to hold on to it for a long time!
kingedoftheworld 4 months ago
stop saying quirk if you don't know what it means
fatcole 4 months ago
Es una lástima que tanto tiempo del video tengamos que ver los rostros poco agradables de este par de comentaristas. Sería mas viable y agradable que mientras se hacen las pruebas solo viéramos los vehículos, escuchándolos comentar, pero sin que salgan a cuadro. Ojalá mejore el sistema.
cequirmo 4 months ago
STOP SHOWING YOUR MUGS AND SHOW MORE OF THE CARS
shaunstst 4 months ago
defender !!!!! all the way
extremecrossover 4 months ago
my camry can do that kinda "offroad" the did
extremecrossover 4 months ago
A very good test video, i think the RAV 4 is more a family car than a crossover.
The Forester is more crossover and the design is very good!
Forester is the better car i would say
MrHarie09 4 months ago
@MrHarie09
I disagree. I think Rav4 is better. I mean what is Subaru thinking with the 4 speed automatic and a 5 speed stick. Seriously. It is 2011. Even KIA stopped using 4 speeds 10 years ago. 6-speed automatics are everywhere and 6 speed manuals. And here you have a 4 speed Forester. Get out of here. That, and its much smaller on the inside. Rav4 has more space than Outback.
filmftw3 4 months ago
Anyone that buys a subaru should be punched in the nose,
liljonsp616 4 months ago
the santa fe can actually beet toyota in alot certain older models of the santa fe have a 3rd rowe seat and now tis bigger without
pattycarljackson 4 months ago
Ehhmmm....The Rav4 is one of the worst 4WD SUVs in its segment. It shares the same useless 4WD system like the CR-V.
When it comes to real 4WD in a small SUV, the Forester is one of the winners (along with the Vitara).
Who needs a huge V6 engine that at the end of the day wont be any help because the 4WD system sucks?
Even thought I am not fan of the 4 speed auto tranny (it needs at least 5) I prefer a really good Turbo Engine with one of the best AWD system. Subaru any time over Toyota.
wtrdogg20 4 months ago
Toyta 1, Subaru WRONG!
MrHottie351 4 months ago
i liked these guys review.
Superanthony2006 4 months ago
He's talking about the 4 speed like people are going to race a Forester. I mean, don't get me wrong I love our Forester, but it's not a performance vehicle.
hottdylan1993 4 months ago
cvt (continuously variable transmission) is how they fixed that with my outback, no gears, no jerks very smooth...
TheFullershane 4 months ago
5MT!
ClubbySuperCharged 5 months ago
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ClubbySuperCharged 5 months ago
subaru forester the best¡¡¡
REICH2000 5 months ago
it would be nice to see more of the cars and less of your faces, while you're making your comments. just get to the point and when you talk about something, show it on the screen at the same time
iotache 5 months ago 28
@iotache РАЛЛИ НЕ НАША ТЕМА П. НЕБОЛЧИ ВОТ ГДЕ "ДОРОГИ"
dimahaza 2 months ago
@iotache
Good point... and these guys faces are not much to look at either. LOL
hubergeek 1 month ago
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Toyota RAV4 Club on the Facebook!
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SleepyDownHill 5 months ago
Can't wait for the 2012/2013 line up. Subaru is going to bring it, I hope lol. But when a car manufacturer doesn't change a lot in 1-2 years, its usually because they are investing in something bigger. Go Subaru! I hope Forester will get 6 speed manual. I will definitely buy one then...
joshuatree1001 5 months ago
I wish you had the Sport V6 trim on the Rav4 - there are virtually no reviews specifically with Rav4 Sport.
zaurazi 5 months ago
now this answers back to my mind!
Ahya728 5 months ago
Please use the word "Quirk" less often
TheGreatBender 5 months ago 2
They should know, there will likely be a CVT transmission in the Subarus soon
bassbob42 5 months ago
i just want a highlander.
mahballzrhari 5 months ago
these vehicle are for work horse, you guy want to go fast just get a crotch rocket, it so fast you piss yours pants 0-60 in 2sec
tuanrav4 5 months ago
subaru need 91 + octane rav4 required only 87 try and put 87 octane in the subaru and see how fast it go. turbo engine doen't last, small engine get stress out as it add miles.
tuanrav4 5 months ago
subaru need 91 + octane rav4 required only 87 try and put 87 octane in the subaru and see how fast it go. turbo engine doen't last to 300,000 mile
tuanrav4 5 months ago
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rav4 v6 awd 0-60 6.2 sec subaru forester xt 0-60 9.2 sec okay let go with the subaru in the dust haa haaaa. any way toyota own subaru as in traction It all come down to the tires.
tuanrav4 5 months ago
rav4 v6 awd 0-60 6.2 sec subaru forester xt 0-60 9.2 sec okay let go with the subaru in the dust haa haaaa. any way toyota own subaru as in traction It all come donw to the tires.
tuanrav4 5 months ago
@tuanrav4 Your wrong about 0 to 60 time of the Forester XT buddy. The time you have posted is of the non-turbocharged engine. The actually 0 to 60 time of the Forester XT is:
6.8 according to Edmunds.com
6.6 according to Motor Trend
6.7 according to Car and Driver
All in the mid 6 range and all from credible sources. The XT is not that far off from the Rav4's 0 to 60 time. And considering the Rav4 has 45 more horsepower than the Forester it shouldn't be a surprise that the Toyota is quicker.
Aaradarn 5 months ago 2
rav4 v6 awd 0-60 6.2 sec subaru forester xt 0-60 9.2 sec okay let go with the subaru in the dust haa haaaa. any way toyota own subaru
tuanrav4 5 months ago
Subaru has better AWD then Toyota does. Because Subaru has Subaru Symmetrical All Wheel Drive.
joewillgo 5 months ago 2
Subaru AWD POWER
MrSHIZZLE4u 5 months ago
Please Toyota has out sold more of the Rav4s then these Foresters. You guys got paid by Subaru like all reviewers do. Subaru you need to get off not only the 4spd auto but the timing belts ughh how I hate thee. One of the reasons why I shy away from Subaru cause of the timing belts. I've driven Rav4s in the passed I think they are alot of fun. I've driven Foresters and just doesn't do anything for me.
soyntgo4it 5 months ago
@soyntgo4it The 2011 foresters cum with timing chain & DOHC now...
xdQnx 5 months ago
@xdQnx Yes the base engine doesn't, I'm talking about the Turbo that has the belt.
soyntgo4it 5 months ago
@soyntgo4it There is nothing wrong with the timing belts on Subaru. If there is then you are not maintaining your car properly. And it's not like you are replacing them every month, or a year for that matter. Selling numbers tell absolutely nothing. Probably that one company spends a lot more money on marketing. RAV4 fun... yea right... on a straight line, maybe but debatable. Take the SAWD and flat engine on a high speed bendy roads and it will give you bigger adrenaline kick than Six Flags.
mando1337 5 months ago 9
@mando1337 Well I didn't purchase either so doesn't matter anyhow.
soyntgo4it 5 months ago
@mando1337 Stop trying convince yourself that timing belt is normal in a 2012 engine. I own a 03 Forester and I can tell you that a timing belt replacement in a Subaru can be really costly with all of those pulley idlers and the tensionner... Furthermore, in my case, I had to replace the engine 3000 miles after timing belt remplacement because of blown headgaskets and bad crank bearing... This is my 2th and last Subaru. Selling numbers tell everything.
marr0094 1 month ago
@marr0094 I'm aware how much the cambelt replacement costs in a Subaru so try something else to surprise me.The belt is replaced every 5 years or 60000 miles. It's not like an oil change so please do NOT make a massive deal of it because it's not working. Furthermore don't tell me Subarus in 2012 use the same engine as your 03. In fact I suggest you read about the latest EJ
Sorry to hear about your HG but potentially the older the car the more problems you'll get regardless of the make
mando1337 1 month ago
@mando1337 Putting almost 1000$ in a car when you already have normal wear and tear to pay for (brakes, tranny oil change, battery) is frustrating! Why not doing the things right from the starts?? Don't tell me about the "NEW" EJ... Wow! The HG problem was suppose to be solved in 2003 and ooohh after in 2005 and, know what, I heard about some 2007's with HG leaks!! And, google "subaru piston slap" just for fun... Trust me, I know what I'm talking about. Do you own a Subaru yourself?
marr0094 1 month ago
@mando1337 BTW, my previous Subaru was a 1996 Legacy with the EJ22 engine. First, the car is still on the road today with the original engine (no rebuilt) and 281000 miles on the clock. That was a good engine!! Seconth, it was "normal" to have a timing belt, spark plug wires, no variable-valve timing and a 4 speed auto tranny in 1996 but not in 2003!! Come on, we are in the 21th century!
marr0094 1 month ago
@marr0094 Stop demonising your car :D
The Forester regularly is being voted one of the most reliable cars by TUV. I don't know what cars have you been driving in your life but it is simply not possible to have faultless car. I asked you to surprise me and you are coming up with the ring failure.. Like it's a big secret. Tell me something I don't know.
Not trying to be funny but "subaru piston slap" search gives 64600 results. "Toyota brake problems" comes with 9,250,000 results.
mando1337 1 month ago
@mando1337 Ring failure? Did I wrote something about ring failures? I wrote something about costly ridiculous timing belt remplacement, about infamous HG leaks and piston slap issue. Don't know why but I prefer to pay one time for brakes problem to pay for engine rebuilt every 100000 miles. And please, just don't look at the number of results, read a bit more... Just for your info, my other car is a 2004 Toyota Matrix. Anyway, we don't have the same opinion and it's ok. Goodbye!
marr0094 1 month ago
@marr0094 It is NOT ridiculously costly to replace the belt since you do it every 5 years or 60000 miles. I don't know how much it costs in USA but it seems in Europe we can live with it just fine. My friend recently had to do her belt on a 3 year old Audi A3.It was more costly than the Subaru.There goes your theory
I asked you to read about the "new" EJ because it's chain driven.. Happy now?
Flat engine is not for everyone, if you are not prepared to live with it buy a "normal" one.Goodday :)
mando1337 1 month ago
@mando1337 Haha, you always have something to a reply for me!! I already know that the new EJ is chain driven, and it was the time!! I'm aware about flat engines differences. But, there is not that much differences as other engines... Flat engine does not excuse HG and piston slap issues. Flat engine does not excuse 4 speed auto tranny. I'm in Canada and my last timing belt replacement cost me about 750$. It's an another 750$ between other car repairs and monthly bills! Goodbye!
marr0094 1 month ago
@marr0094 Oh and if I'm ever to be involved in a serious car accident I'll give any money in the world to be the driver/passenger sitting in the Subaru. And you know why!
mando1337 1 month ago
Well I'm a Subaru fan and yes forester is better car but toyota owns Subaru. Actually both company are coming up with this new car Toyota ft-86 and Subaru ft-86.
lil1filipino 6 months ago
@lil1filipino Toyota doesn't own Subaru, they have less than a 20% share. the Subaru version is going to be called the brz...but no AWD :(
MrFrenchy24 5 months ago
Toyota RAV4 Club (2nd generation) on the facebook
SleepyDownHill 6 months ago