Gun Violence in Chicago

[TheUnknownGrower]

its all in these genes

[CarlsoSpiceyWeiner69]

@worshipjesuschristian Citizens have guns, subjects don't

[worshipjesuschristan]

the shooting in arizona thats what happens when citizens have guns i do martialarts im not rushing to my nearest congressman saying hey can you make a law where we can carry nunchakus no people having guns that dont work what if a thug takes your weapon away from you, thats bad

[worshipjesuschristan]

the shooting in arizona thats what happens when citizens have guns

[Xone7]

People have to care enough to take responsibility for their own lives and communities. There is no outside entity that is going to do that for them. If one doesnt value their own life, certainly no one else will. This problem has nothing to do with the government,

[marzilyas]

"Responsibility for their own lives and communities" is exactly what a democratic form of government is. That's the definition; a mutually agreed upon list of rules, privileges, protections, etc. Only a foreign government (or a corporation!) is "an outside entity." As much as you may have internalized this destructive, distrustful notion that any government is prima facie a bad thing, we are all part of a community within a community within a larger community, etc. etc.

[NoMAIG]

Damn, it's about time the black community wakes up in Hellcago. Scumbag daley has steam rolled his ANTI GUN agenda amongst the black community to where the blacks are scared and believe Scumbag's lies concerning the gun ban and the gun turn in program. Wake up sheeple!!!!!!

[marzilyas]

@NoMAIG Yeah if there's one thing wrong with Chicago it's police officers enforcing the law and taking guns off the street. In your demonization of Chicago, you have thrown the policemen of Chicago under the bus. Do you have animosity towards the police or the law itself?

[guynboots]

Cowards carry guns.

It's very very simple.

Too many kids

growing up

with parents

who have no idea

how to be one.

IDIOTS!!!!!

[truthadvocate]

Mass shootings tend to occur in gun free zones. Is it cowardly to be prepared? If a criminal starts knocking off civilians, is it cowardly to stop him? It's not a matter of cowardice or bravery. It's a matter of responsibility. Police cannot stop rape or murder. Their response time is too long. they cannot be everywhere at once. Taking the time & effort to purchase, train, and safely carry a gun can save lives. Assuming police will save you if something bad happens is unrealistic.

[marzilyas]

@truthadvocate "Mass shootings tend to occur in gun free zones"? You mean places where concealed weapons are most heavily regulated? Do you really think that the shootings are a result of the law, and not the other way around?

[truthadvocate]

@marzilyas,

I wouldn't say that the shootings are caused entirely by the law and nothing else. That would be oversimplifying the issue. But I do think it's obvious that mass shootings are easier to accomplish in places where everyone else is defenseless.

I don't doubt that these laws were passed in response to shootings. But that is irrelevant. Whoever passed these laws either failed to see or didn't care to see the consequences, which is often the case with laws passed by a coercive monopoly.

[marzilyas]

@truthadvocate how come there are practically zero mass shootings (or gun deaths at all) in countries with extremely strict gun control, like Japan or the United Kingdom?

[truthadvocate]

@marzilyas,

The only way your argument would be compelling is if all variables other than gun control laws were consistent. Don't pretend comparisons between countries are controlled experiments with a single variable.

[marzilyas]

@truthadvocate variables? what the hell are you talking about? life has no controlled experiments. a spurious use of the terminology of science, to be sure.

[truthadvocate]

@marzilyas,

You seem to get my point, that life is not a controlled experiment. As such a statistic such as the number of mass shootings in a country is the result of many variables, not just a result of gun laws. By variable I mean something that may or does vary, a common definition of the word. I don't understand why you accuse me of using the word in a spurious manner. Examples of other variables that could affect the number of mass shootings are population, culture, mental health, etc.

[marzilyas]

@truthadvocate hmmm so you are suggesting that the marked sociological differences between the Japanese, the English and the American black inner-city are more important in determining gun violence than, say, simple access to guns under the law? i disagree. i think you are bending over backwards to justify your views about gun rights.

[truthadvocate]

@marzilyas,

Not quite. I didn't say which variable has more influence than others. I simply said many variables play a part. I don't think we disagree there.

Chicago has outlawed handguns for ages, yet it's plagued by handgun violence. Then again correlation does not equal causation.

The most compelling argument is the following deductive reasoning. Criminals don't follow gun laws. Peaceful citizens do. So gun laws just remove guns from peaceful citizens & leave them in the hands of criminals.

[marzilyas]

@truthadvocate i disagree with the idea that one can make a stark, discreet judgment about criminality. There are obviously monstrous pyschopaths, but only a tiny bit of the gun violence is done by them, statistically speaking. The elephant in the room is that gun violence in chicago is mostly a minority problem. Human beings are social animals, and if one grows up otherwise deprived and the circumstances in which he grows up imbue him with a gangster ethos.

[marzilyas]

@marzilyas cont. the existence of a gangster culture, a cancer which is afforded by easily obtainable contraband weapons that are mostly just stolen from non-gangster citizens, leads to perverse and brutal "conflict resolution" that would not be possible if guns were banned in the truest sense, not the like today where guns are plentiful in most places within about an hour's drive from smack in the middle of downtown. The path to fewer guns is outlawing them. I live in Chicago, so I would know.

[1s23d]

@marzilyas I live in westland, michigan but i go into detroit all the time because michigan is a right to carry state and i can carry my forty five were ever i go. It is not the gun it is whats in the mans heart that kid named albert in chicago was beaten to death with a piece of wood. As an American it is my god given right to defend myself.

[aaustin1241]

@marzilyas I'm sorry, but I was just looking at the crime statistics for the UK. It seems that violent crime went up after the ban on weapons, not down. But I also looked at every state that allows concealed carry, and found that violent crime went down after citizens were allowed to possess guns. Odd, isn't it? And, for the most part, CCW carriers are not trying to prevent mass shootings, but the everyday rape, assault, and armed robberies that occur rather often.

[marzilyas]

@aaustin1241 well, first off, you don't need to be sorry, but I appreciate your politeness. The fact is that in European countries where there are strict gun control laws and Japan, the violent crime rate is much, much lower, than the United States'. both in strong arm (armed with a gun) and violent crime. I think this has a lot with the culture and the huge disparity in wealth. and I can understand where you're coming from, but stats say you are most likely to shoot a family member

[llb333boy]

baba kimbu old ass lol

[guinnessman1970]

Liberialism has enslaves peoples individuality.

Many people have accepted to be wards of the state. They must accept the collective choices that the city dictates. The left have destroyed most individuality choices and freedoms.

[darkninja210]

you mean like abortion and gay marriage? oh wait thats right thats the right. what about no searches and seizures well thats both of them? lately obama has made a few pro gun rights available FYI lets hope it stays that way i really dont think he is going to do anything.

[marzilyas]

@guinnessman1970 Let's bring down "Liberialism!" The left "have" destroyed most "individuality choices and freedoms" indeed! Have you considered running for national office as a Republican? Maybe you can get an endorsement from Sarah Palin's Twitter and unseat one of those RINOs.

[home3363308]

Every house there should have a loaded gun by the door. Its worked in the country for years. If someone is going to kill someone there going to kill the one without the gun.

[SyronSmith]

Love the back drop and how you set this up.

[nastyblock]

ccredible evidence? yea it was on cnn stupid. silly question

[vaguy78]

box cars full of guns purposely left out so criminals would steal them? That's a new one to me. Is there any credible evidence this ever happened?

[home3363308]

If they wanted to stop the violence the people would force the gangs out.

[dgenerate707]

true they need vigilante justicle.