the "b3 interval" is what gives minor chords and minor scales its characteristic minor sound,so whichever of the modes has a b3 "interval" in it (eg phrygian, aeolian, locrian to name a few), will work well with minor chords,apparently you'll soon notice that minor chords will obviously have a b3 as well.
@AirHendrix91 well they are the same thing, so yes.. but if you play in the key of C, think to yourself.. is there a C phyrigian? a C lydian? etc.. those are all different C scales, so give them a try and add a different flavor to your playing..
@MEGATROID114 Yeah I understand that C Lydian has its own sixth string root based shape that differs from C Phyrigian but the thing is to get from this video is that C Lydian would be in the key of G I believe. But what I want to know is what to do in a Minor key, do you do the same thing like Vinnie talked about in this video to play Ionian, Dorian, Phyrigian, OR do you start using Natural minor and Harmonic Minor?
@AirHendrix91 well, like vinnie said-if you play a scale, the modes of that scale are the same just with a differerent root(someone playing E phyrigian over a C major progression) same scale just playing it from another point in the scale. to allow yourself to be creative, you have to know what chords are being played to add different sounds. dont forget the exotic scales(for ex-C arabian and C oriental)look them up and read the info of scales. add flavor, not stale. just look different scales.
@MEGATROID114 What to do you follow in a minor progression though?
EX: in C Minor, do you start with C Ionian or is it harmonic minor or something? Or, is it that you can't apply modes via a minor progression?
Thanks though for the reply bud, I like the idea of additional scales but how to go about replacing those additional "flourish" type scales is what I need to kind of know lol.
@AirHendrix91 When you have a minor Key like C minor, the main scale associated to it is the Eolian mode. But minor keys have at least three scales wich are, Eolian mode, Melodic minor scale, and Harmonic minor scale.
In the case of Cm, it´s the relative minor, or the 6th grade of Eb. then it has the scale of C Eolian. I hope I helped you, I´m learning English, and i'm not sure if I explained it clarly ;) bye
@AirHendrix91 - there are major-like modes and minor-like modes.
well Vinnie explains about what key you're playing in and everything but...are you asking which modes would be considered minor/minor-like? it's easy, dorian, phrygian, aeolian, and locrian. you can tell when you compare them on clefs and by listening.
forgot to say to be careful with locrian. dissonance should be resolved. i don't think the sky will fall or anything but we're supposed to resolve them. there are lessons online but mostly on songwriting sites.
i agree, this is the first video that i have actually been able to understand modes. my downfall is I can only read tablature so I have no idea what notes he was playing in each of the scales for each mode. Any ideas, tips, etc from anyone would be greatly appreciated.
@osfpatrick It's an acronym used to remember the name of each mode. I (Ionian) Don't (Dorian) Particularly (Phrygian) Like (Lydian) Modes (Mixolydian) A (Aeolian) Lot (Locrian).
Not 1 chord in any mode of the Cmaj scale has a Flat 5. He started with an exception to the rule before you explained the rule..That dosnt help with the confusion :)
On my Experience watching Guitar Lesson, I learned a lot on this video than the other video, Vinnie Moore Explain very clear and very detailed! Rock Rulez Mr. Moore!
@vija0014 Yes, and it's a minor sounding mode. It starts on D and ends on D, so D, E, F, G, A, B, C, D - no sharps or flats, and so part of the C major scale.
It is better to practice modes with the same root like C dorian, C lydian and so on. If you use each degree of the C scale C D E and so on to each be a root of a mode you are kind of just playing/hearing C and not hearing the difference of the modes. He is awesome but this is one thing he is not teaching well IMHO. You should play C as the root for each mode to get the flavor of each or they just all run together as C major in your head. Check out Frank Gambalies mode video
@doctorpapaya no. he meant to record the notes onto magnetic audio tape. tape is an old-school medium for recording audio. back when this video came out, we had cassette tapes instead of cd's and dvd's. i'm assuming you're not old enough to remember. no offense, i'm not bashing you..
@doctorpapaya You are truly a real fucking idiot, no question about it. Vinnie was that by putting things on tape, which was the way to record in 1989, you jack off. He said you put the various degrees of the scale on tape, to record it, so you can play the corresponding modes over top of the recorded chords. Are you fucking retarded or something. Open your fucking ears and listen, that is why you suck because you aren't paying attention you dumb poser.
@diamonddust22 i really dont believe how hard that was to understand... to the point where you get told how shit was done? idk how fucking ignorant things can get... tell this kid to go back to learning his open chords...
I must have watched these videos 100 times and still never got what he was talking about. After learning the actual formulas for the modes, in relation to the formula for a major scale, i get it now.
what a ignorant, the names of the modes comes from the different tribes in Greece, this tribes or people that use to live back then in that part of the world had different ways of singing in different scales and notes intervals, this people were the Ionians, Dorians, Lydians, etc. that's why.
@jimmymarquez Vinnie only said that to sound cool, because he knows that most people getting into this stuff are too fucking stupid and lazy to do anything unless it's cool or popular. Most rockstars have to do a bit of slumming to get through to stupid know it all kids who couldn't give a shit.
i have a question.. if in the scale of C there are no sharps or flats.. then how come he uses Dm and Em ? shouldnt those be major in order to be in the C scale?
@xzero001 Always in a major scale the 2nd, 3rd and 6th chords are minor. This is consistent with the notes being within the Cmajor scale. If you take the 1st, 3rd and 5th note/interval of the major scale starting with each of the 7 notes within the scale you get all the chords. So for exmaple Dm consists of the notes D, F and A.
@xzero001 Well the Cm scale can be seen as the aeolian mode and it is the 6th mode shown in these vids. It really originates from the D sharp major scale. So if you take the 6th interval within the D sharp major scale ( note C), then the 8th interval (Dsharp) and then the 10th interval (note G) (as 1st, 3rd and 5th intervals) you get the chord Cm.
I hope someone corrects this if i made some kind of mistake, since I haven't been playing guitar for a long time, but I think this makes sense.
@xzero001 I think you're a little confused. Dm and Em all fit in the C major key. They dont have sharps or flats! Play it on your instrument and youll see. Pm me if you have any questions; I think i can help!
@xzero001 yeah man no problem. Thats the main idea in something called a chord progression (chords you play in a certain key). Even though they have names that differ from the key your in, the notes of each chords stay in agreement with the key signature. Theory is just one big puzzle man.
thx mockbel thats useful! and i agree with another reply who said locrian. me too find it quite difficult to use to relate to the normal rock stuffs we play. maybe need a little more research. but gd stuffs. ive been playing lydian and mixo most of the times as per vai n satch. :)
By experience I came up with one useful thing regarding learning modes.. the most important thing is mode type (Major or minor)... I came up with the fact that usually minor modes can replace each other and Major modes can replace each other. For example if u r soloing over an Aminor progression.. u can typically play in Aminor scale but u can also use A dorian or A phrygian modes.. if u played in one of Majr modes like lydian or mexolydian it won't sound nice.. same for Major progressions...
some guy probably made these up 15000 years ago just to confuse us?
is that actually for real? what a fuckin goon, if it wasn't for the greeks who created modes for the different colonies of the ancient agean, we wouldnt have the theory you use everyday for music. what a turd.
im in a dethcore band and im writing a solo and we have 7 strings tuned to A flat i want it so sound real arabic but im tuned to A flat can somebody help me with a scale to use i have no clue wat scale to use
@ibanezrgr420ex If you're just playing over an Ab bass line, I'd say the Phrygian Dominant is a good bet. It crops up a lot in Spanish and Arabic style music. It's easier to think of it as G# (the same note as Ab). The notes would be G#, A, B#, C#, D#, E, F#. In Ab it would be Ab, Bbb, C,Db Eb, Fb, Gb
@sfischermilford Yes. An F major scale contains a Bb as the fourth note, but if you use the notes from C major, starting on an F, you get F G A B (natural) C D E. There is a B instead of a Bb at the fourth degree of the scale and that raised 4th degree is what gives the lydian its sound
Vinman Rocks! I learned so much from this explanation about 15 years ago - Once you get the concept of the modal order, you can translate this to so many techniques - arpeggios, tapping sequences, harmonization and especially other scales. Take a harmonic minor and apply the same concepts and you'll be able to extract chords, patterns, sequences, licks and your world will be endless. Do it to a Hungarian Minor, Neopolitan, anything - keep the order, extract the scales, extract arpeggios, link!
This is how the concept of modes click for many of many students. Picture a round dinner table with 7 plates set. The plates have the letter names C,D,E,F,G,A,B written on them clockwise. If you go "around" the circle from C to C you are playing the C Ionian mode. If you go "around" the circle from D to D you are playing the D Dorian mode (and so on).
Every mode in a given key has the same seven notes.
@TimeLordGuitar the other question i have which which is hard to explain is when do you use the the different modes. for example, if you have a simple G,C,D pattern in the key of G can you use the G ionian mode when the g chord is playing, the C lydian when c is playing, and the D mixylidian when d is playing? Or could i just one mode for whole improv./ solo?
As long as you are in key it will sound fine. Ultimately,however,you want to learn to start and end your phrases on chord tones. Yes- you can play G Ionian over ANY chord in the key of G Major with good results. Ideally- you don't want to run up and down modes...you want to use modes to "grab" the chord tones within them over top of the respective underlying chords.
@TimeLordGuitar actually there is another thing. you said that the 1st 4th and 5th notes in a major scale are always major and the 2nd 3rd and 6th are always minor and the 7th is always diminished. what about minor scales? if i remember right the pattern is W H W W H W W but which notes are major and which are minor? thnx again
The natural minor scale is just a mode of the major scale. This is the reason why a song in the key of G and a song in the key of E minor have the same key signature....they contain the same notes. I never think in terms of minor EVER. If you want to think in terms of "minor," just start from the sixth mode of the major scale and "re-number" from there one-through-seven. Thus- the sixth mode of the major scale becomes the "first mode/one chord." I never think like that.
The seventh mode (Locrian) is usually associated with the diminished chord (root,b3,b5). The mode is often associated with a m7b5 chord (root,b3,b5,b7) as well. A m7b5 adds and extra note to the three-note diminished triad.
A (four-note) diminished 7 chord would contains an out-of-key note. That doesn't stop composers,however,from employing dim7 chords instead of a dim chord! The melody over the chord has to be adjusted to fit with the non-diatonic note.
@TimeLordGuitar my friend told me that all music theory does is make people pompass know it all douche bags and that it is not important at all. i know this is non sense, but what do you kind about? since you're knowledgable about the guitar.
Music theory is information...nothing more,nothing less. Just because someone knows the circle of fifths and the seven modes in all keys doesn't mean that he or she is magically able to compose a well-written,cohesive song. (It's akin to believing that someone that knows that red + yellow = orange will be able to paint a fantastic oil painting just because they have some basic information related to mixing colors.) I like knowing how things work.
@TimeLordGuitar think i see what your sayin. tell me if my reasoning is right. if someone tells you that the song is a 2,3,6 pattern in the key of A minor, you say the relative major would be C major so the chords in the song are D minor, E minor, and, A minor.
I never think of "relative minor"...just major: I,iim,iiim,IV,V,vim,viidim
That's it. No reason to learn redundant numerology of "the relative minor key."
If I'm in a situation where someone is communicating in terms of minor key,I just ask them to think in terms of major. In the key of C major,there is no reason to call the vim chord the "I chord of the key of A minor."
Diatonically, it's the "vim chord" of C Major...always.
but it doesnt meanthat you have to play the letters in order for playing solo"s rite?? forexample, if you were toplay g dorian, it wouldntallwaysbe mixolydian
The use of Roman numerals tends to confuse many players. Stick to using familiar Arabic numerals (I.e.- 1,2,3,4,5,6 and 7) if you find the Roman numerals confusing.
In a nutshell:
The 1,4,5 triads are always major
The 2,3,6 triads are always minor
The 7 triad is always diminished (* this is often extended to a four-note chord which turns the "base" diminished chord into a m7b5.)
PLEASE HELP ME! i understand almost everything, but if i want to stay in B Dorian mode and whant to change chords but staying in b dorian, how do i know what chords i can play??
Every key has 7 notes,7 modes and 7 (basic) chords. Dorian is built off the second note of the "major parent scale" which is a step (2 frets) below the Dorian root. In the case of B Dorian,the parent scale is A Major (aka "A Ionian"). You can use any of the 7 chords in the parent key of A major as a backing track for improvising with the B Dorian mode:
A, Bm, C#m, D, E, F#m, G#dim
Get Dr. Guy Capuzzo's book "Theory for the Contemporary Guitarist." Guy's book is great.
oo thanx i understud, but the thing i want to now is, if im going to stay in dorian mode, it is best to start with the second chord in the scale of A?, it would sound more dorian type? or what is the trick, to change chords and stay in the same mode, cause it wont be the same if i play b dorian starting with a b minor, that starting with a D Mayor. please help me with this
"Best" is not really applicable. The Bm chord,however,is very harmonically safe chord underneath a B Dorian melody. A common trick is to use one or more of the chords that contain the root of the mode that you are improvising with. In the case of the B Dorian mode,the B note is the root. So any chord in the parent key of A Major that contains a B note will work great (Bm,E,G#dim) as a "support" chord superimposed underneath your melodies. (* All of the chords in the key,however,will work.)
o! thanx man you help me a lot now i understand everything, i just have 1 more question, how do you now that in dorian the chords that will suit better are the IIm, V, I? is there a rule for that, how do i know what Chords to use with a mixolidian or a lidian, i understand that the ones that have the root of the mode in the cord, but what numeration like, llM, V, I, thnx for all by the way
Hi Algor13. No. Vinnnie is talking about chord scales. A "chord scale" seems like an odd name,but it is a scale with the appropriate diatonic three-note chord (triad) attached to each scale tone. Every major scale has 7 notes. The triads built from the 1,4 and 5 are major. The triads built from the 2,3 and 6 are minor. The 7 chord is the oddball,which is a diminished. You can add a fourth diatonic note to turn the diminished chord into a
@TimeLordGuitar he says that the first note is c maj. the second is d minor third is e minor, and so on. why are different notes in this scale minor and different ones are major and the sevent is diminished? is this just a rule that is true for all scales or what? askin you cuz you seem to know what your talkin about.
Because of the mechanics of how the major-scale-system works the first, fourth and fifth chords in a major scale are always major chords. The second, third and sixth chords in a major scale are always minor chords. The seventh chord in a major scale, which is the oddball, is always a diminished chord. This is the case no matter what the scale.
i´m sorry vinnie you´re not explaining modes really ... you´re just playing the scale over the chord that belong the mode, but that is not a modal chord progression is only groovin in one chord. This isn´t the worst explanation of modes it clear some things but is missing the most important part THE MODAL CHORD PROGRESSIONS
look .. an easy way to deal with modes .. a very basic approach is this .. take your root .. so if your playing Emaj , Fmaj , Gmaj .. look at your root .. E . then if you want a phygian feell .. step down from the E a major third .. so you get C ... therefore play c major over this prog ... try it .. you will see what i mean .. msg me if you want more basic info ... :)
this is not modal .. all your doing is playing scales positionly up the neck ... tell me this ... i play Emaj - Fmaj - Gmaj ... and i play a melodic line in the key of C Major ... what mode am in in ?
worst hair? yes. ugliest guitar? uh huh. worst explanation of modes? no. it's actually really good and in standard bar jargon thats easy to understand.
No, actually, it really is bad. "Ionian predominantly pertains to the major scale." Huh? How about "the Ionian scale IS the major scale. Period." The video is full of stuff like that. He actually makes it more complicated than it is. By the way, the jazz masters who played bebop ABSOLUTELY understood the modes. Many guitarists from
the "b3 interval" is what gives minor chords and minor scales its characteristic minor sound,so whichever of the modes has a b3 "interval" in it (eg phrygian, aeolian, locrian to name a few), will work well with minor chords,apparently you'll soon notice that minor chords will obviously have a b3 as well.
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Vin kept Aquanet in buisness back then.
paraglidermx 2 months ago
Great teacher.
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gamzer 2 months ago
One thing I gotta stress:
I'm not playing d minor.
I'm not playing c major.
I'm playing d dorian.
. write that down? xD
TheWilderMusic 3 months ago
"the hardest part is remembering the stupid names"
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maxpowd3r 4 months ago
So, in the key of C Major, you can play the follow scales? :
C Major
D Dorian
E Phyrigian
F Lydian
G Mixolydian
A Aeolian
B Locrian
AirHendrix91 5 months ago in playlist vinnie more
@AirHendrix91 well they are the same thing, so yes.. but if you play in the key of C, think to yourself.. is there a C phyrigian? a C lydian? etc.. those are all different C scales, so give them a try and add a different flavor to your playing..
(someone nicely correct me if im wrong)
MEGATROID114 5 months ago
@MEGATROID114 Yeah I understand that C Lydian has its own sixth string root based shape that differs from C Phyrigian but the thing is to get from this video is that C Lydian would be in the key of G I believe. But what I want to know is what to do in a Minor key, do you do the same thing like Vinnie talked about in this video to play Ionian, Dorian, Phyrigian, OR do you start using Natural minor and Harmonic Minor?
AirHendrix91 5 months ago
@AirHendrix91 well, like vinnie said-if you play a scale, the modes of that scale are the same just with a differerent root(someone playing E phyrigian over a C major progression) same scale just playing it from another point in the scale. to allow yourself to be creative, you have to know what chords are being played to add different sounds. dont forget the exotic scales(for ex-C arabian and C oriental)look them up and read the info of scales. add flavor, not stale. just look different scales.
MEGATROID114 5 months ago
@MEGATROID114 What to do you follow in a minor progression though?
EX: in C Minor, do you start with C Ionian or is it harmonic minor or something? Or, is it that you can't apply modes via a minor progression?
Thanks though for the reply bud, I like the idea of additional scales but how to go about replacing those additional "flourish" type scales is what I need to kind of know lol.
AirHendrix91 4 months ago
@AirHendrix91 When you have a minor Key like C minor, the main scale associated to it is the Eolian mode. But minor keys have at least three scales wich are, Eolian mode, Melodic minor scale, and Harmonic minor scale.
In the case of Cm, it´s the relative minor, or the 6th grade of Eb. then it has the scale of C Eolian. I hope I helped you, I´m learning English, and i'm not sure if I explained it clarly ;) bye
Xavimanjazz 3 months ago
@AirHendrix91 - there are major-like modes and minor-like modes.
well Vinnie explains about what key you're playing in and everything but...are you asking which modes would be considered minor/minor-like? it's easy, dorian, phrygian, aeolian, and locrian. you can tell when you compare them on clefs and by listening.
NolitaDenise 3 months ago
forgot to say to be careful with locrian. dissonance should be resolved. i don't think the sky will fall or anything but we're supposed to resolve them. there are lessons online but mostly on songwriting sites.
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urworstnightmare22 5 months ago
Well, if you understand the concepts he was explaining, liket he piano example. he is just playing all these modes in the key of C major. so....
ionion mode: c, d, e, f, g, a, b, c
dorian mode; d, e, f, g, a, b, c, d
phyrigian mode: e, f, g, a, b, c, d, e
lydian mode: f, g, a, b, c, d, e, f
mixolydian : g, a, b, c, d, e, f, g
aolian mode: a, b, c, d, e, f, g, a
locrian mode: b, c, d, e, f, g, a, b
he chose the key of C, no sharps/flats which makes understanding the concepts easier
scottson2 5 months ago
lol. i just realized that the tabs are also put on the screen but i cant fuckin read them!
louevil555 6 months ago in playlist guitar lessons
i agree, this is the first video that i have actually been able to understand modes. my downfall is I can only read tablature so I have no idea what notes he was playing in each of the scales for each mode. Any ideas, tips, etc from anyone would be greatly appreciated.
louevil555 6 months ago in playlist guitar lessons
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That's sweet. Thanks!
leemus1966 6 months ago
this guy is rad
liamrocksmysockstm 6 months ago
I Don't Particularly Like Modes A Lot... Does the trick for me.
MrHelloGuitar 6 months ago 2
@MrHelloGuitar reguardless of an awesome ear or not modes will help you train your ear even farther
osfpatrick 6 months ago
@osfpatrick It's an acronym used to remember the name of each mode. I (Ionian) Don't (Dorian) Particularly (Phrygian) Like (Lydian) Modes (Mixolydian) A (Aeolian) Lot (Locrian).
MrHelloGuitar 6 months ago
Not 1 chord in any mode of the Cmaj scale has a Flat 5. He started with an exception to the rule before you explained the rule..That dosnt help with the confusion :)
williamtmoore67 7 months ago
@williamtmoore67 what about bmin7b5= root flat 3rd flat 5th
bizzle1783 6 months ago
his hair is from the 1980s
COMMUNISTPHILOSOPHY 7 months ago
On my Experience watching Guitar Lesson, I learned a lot on this video than the other video, Vinnie Moore Explain very clear and very detailed! Rock Rulez Mr. Moore!
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@Stonerteacher Best trick. Thanks
GibsonGuitarist666 4 weeks ago
@Stonerteacher Damn it, this totally did the trick.
gnrcr 3 weeks ago
Fun fact, all the scales are named after Greek city-states in which they originated
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sysrq120 8 months ago
@vija0014 Yes, and it's a minor sounding mode. It starts on D and ends on D, so D, E, F, G, A, B, C, D - no sharps or flats, and so part of the C major scale.
BonjourRich 8 months ago
@vija0014 No, because he is starting the mode on D (the second note of the C major scale).
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BonjourRich 8 months ago
This stuff is good if ur a serious guitarist but most bands dont even know this shit and can still write some badass shit
visualkeirockstar 8 months ago
This guy talks like an idiot, but is not actually an idiot. Hmmmm?
rwmcjazz 9 months ago
It is better to practice modes with the same root like C dorian, C lydian and so on. If you use each degree of the C scale C D E and so on to each be a root of a mode you are kind of just playing/hearing C and not hearing the difference of the modes. He is awesome but this is one thing he is not teaching well IMHO. You should play C as the root for each mode to get the flavor of each or they just all run together as C major in your head. Check out Frank Gambalies mode video
Bflatest 10 months ago
is he canadian? lol
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ill3stV1llain 10 months ago
I am a self taught guitarist and this was probably one of the best lessons I come across.
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lllwastelll 11 months ago
Thanks a bunch! :D
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@Fezetone999 HA !!
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@Fezetone999 hahahahahahah
igvu92 11 months ago
VinMan? Hehe..
6x21 1 year ago
This is very helpful. Thanks for the upload!
Rocksoccer123 1 year ago
Lol this is funny, it looks like he's reading off a prompt.
punkmusicmetal 1 year ago
lol 1:59 is hilarious
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sysrq120 1 year ago
I like how he sounds exactly like Johnny Knoxville.
Wtsmyageagain 1 year ago 21
E Phrygian and G Phrygian has the same notes in them. fuckn weird
Hoshang2 1 year ago
this really helps. thanks Vinnie
MarkoExecutor 1 year ago
@doctorpapaya no. he meant to record the notes onto magnetic audio tape. tape is an old-school medium for recording audio. back when this video came out, we had cassette tapes instead of cd's and dvd's. i'm assuming you're not old enough to remember. no offense, i'm not bashing you..
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blackalbino360 1 year ago
@blackalbino360 never heard that one before! love it! cheers! :)
jrox5150 1 year ago
@doctorpapaya
haha man ... are you just playing or are you for real? cuz' if you are, your stupidity really knows no boundaries.
MasslRockss 1 year ago
@doctorpapaya You are truly a real fucking idiot, no question about it. Vinnie was that by putting things on tape, which was the way to record in 1989, you jack off. He said you put the various degrees of the scale on tape, to record it, so you can play the corresponding modes over top of the recorded chords. Are you fucking retarded or something. Open your fucking ears and listen, that is why you suck because you aren't paying attention you dumb poser.
diamonddust22 1 year ago
@diamonddust22 Think he was being sarcastic. Go have a nice wank
beugie46 1 year ago
@diamonddust22 i really dont believe how hard that was to understand... to the point where you get told how shit was done? idk how fucking ignorant things can get... tell this kid to go back to learning his open chords...
nexpia 1 year ago
@nexpia Very true, some people only watch vids and don't even pick up their guitar at all and they wonder why they still suck.
diamonddust22 1 year ago
@doctorpapaya idiot.
diamonddust22 1 year ago
I must have watched these videos 100 times and still never got what he was talking about. After learning the actual formulas for the modes, in relation to the formula for a major scale, i get it now.
sjm98126 1 year ago
what a ignorant, the names of the modes comes from the different tribes in Greece, this tribes or people that use to live back then in that part of the world had different ways of singing in different scales and notes intervals, this people were the Ionians, Dorians, Lydians, etc. that's why.
jimmymarquez 1 year ago
@jimmymarquez Vinnie only said that to sound cool, because he knows that most people getting into this stuff are too fucking stupid and lazy to do anything unless it's cool or popular. Most rockstars have to do a bit of slumming to get through to stupid know it all kids who couldn't give a shit.
diamonddust22 1 year ago
Vinnie should shoot a tutorial video on how to grow your hair for rock and roll.
Broyale26 1 year ago
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doshus73 1 year ago
I swear he sed the key of kfc major!!!
OurFinalHourOfficial 1 year ago
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NiCkSpAgE96 1 year ago
hair is boof!
closetome 1 year ago
i have a question.. if in the scale of C there are no sharps or flats.. then how come he uses Dm and Em ? shouldnt those be major in order to be in the C scale?
xzero001 1 year ago
@xzero001 Always in a major scale the 2nd, 3rd and 6th chords are minor. This is consistent with the notes being within the Cmajor scale. If you take the 1st, 3rd and 5th note/interval of the major scale starting with each of the 7 notes within the scale you get all the chords. So for exmaple Dm consists of the notes D, F and A.
vssilis 1 year ago
@vssilis thank you! now i get it! but how would it be for a minor scale? say Cm?
xzero001 1 year ago
@xzero001 Well the Cm scale can be seen as the aeolian mode and it is the 6th mode shown in these vids. It really originates from the D sharp major scale. So if you take the 6th interval within the D sharp major scale ( note C), then the 8th interval (Dsharp) and then the 10th interval (note G) (as 1st, 3rd and 5th intervals) you get the chord Cm.
I hope someone corrects this if i made some kind of mistake, since I haven't been playing guitar for a long time, but I think this makes sense.
vssilis 1 year ago
@xzero001 I think you're a little confused. Dm and Em all fit in the C major key. They dont have sharps or flats! Play it on your instrument and youll see. Pm me if you have any questions; I think i can help!
reddawn82 1 year ago
@reddawn82 thank you! i wasnt noticing this hehe! its true Dm and Em all play with major notes! =)
xzero001 1 year ago
@xzero001 yeah man no problem. Thats the main idea in something called a chord progression (chords you play in a certain key). Even though they have names that differ from the key your in, the notes of each chords stay in agreement with the key signature. Theory is just one big puzzle man.
reddawn82 1 year ago
He didn't mention the multi-reversed fifth at the root note over semi-quaver F diminished fat ball sacked baboon.
whitbyjet65 1 year ago
I have no Idea whats going on with these words,
mrhackcomic 1 year ago
@jeffrey00 shut the f**k up!
mrioh 1 year ago
thx mockbel thats useful! and i agree with another reply who said locrian. me too find it quite difficult to use to relate to the normal rock stuffs we play. maybe need a little more research. but gd stuffs. ive been playing lydian and mixo most of the times as per vai n satch. :)
indrajem7vwh 1 year ago
i was on this guys sons soccer team..haha i know both of them
BBGum14 1 year ago
By experience I came up with one useful thing regarding learning modes.. the most important thing is mode type (Major or minor)... I came up with the fact that usually minor modes can replace each other and Major modes can replace each other. For example if u r soloing over an Aminor progression.. u can typically play in Aminor scale but u can also use A dorian or A phrygian modes.. if u played in one of Majr modes like lydian or mexolydian it won't sound nice.. same for Major progressions...
mockbel 1 year ago
I would suggest forgetting the Locrian mode. It's just not very useful for most people, so take that one off the list to learn.
Sir James, nice suggestion on the acronym :)
JedifuzzMojo 1 year ago
ibanez for life!!!!
onixtheone 1 year ago
"remembering the stupid names" - right on man!
THESUNDANZEKID 1 year ago
some guy probably made these up 15000 years ago just to confuse us?
is that actually for real? what a fuckin goon, if it wasn't for the greeks who created modes for the different colonies of the ancient agean, we wouldnt have the theory you use everyday for music. what a turd.
jeffray00 1 year ago
My old teacher told me this rhyme to remember them:
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0ua8 1 year ago
@nblax41 how about, I do play like Moore at last
mtpatty 8 months ago
@mtpatty clever haha
nblax41 8 months ago
@nblax41
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TensaZangetsu814 7 months ago
im in a dethcore band and im writing a solo and we have 7 strings tuned to A flat i want it so sound real arabic but im tuned to A flat can somebody help me with a scale to use i have no clue wat scale to use
ibanezrgr420ex 1 year ago
@ibanezrgr420ex phrygian sort of works, theres another one i use but dont know the name of it, hope that helped!
00sven00sven00 1 year ago
@ibanezrgr420ex If you're just playing over an Ab bass line, I'd say the Phrygian Dominant is a good bet. It crops up a lot in Spanish and Arabic style music. It's easier to think of it as G# (the same note as Ab). The notes would be G#, A, B#, C#, D#, E, F#. In Ab it would be Ab, Bbb, C,Db Eb, Fb, Gb
b0b1919 1 year ago
Well taught!
VLombardi01 1 year ago
so F Lydian is in the key of C?
sfischermilford 1 year ago
@sfischermilford Yep.
Zofar 1 year ago
@sfischermilford Yes. An F major scale contains a Bb as the fourth note, but if you use the notes from C major, starting on an F, you get F G A B (natural) C D E. There is a B instead of a Bb at the fourth degree of the scale and that raised 4th degree is what gives the lydian its sound
b0b1919 1 year ago
@b0b1919 that just cleared up a lot of my questions. thank you!
sfischermilford 1 year ago
@sfischermilford yea
harrymasonmarmita 1 year ago
Vinman Rocks! I learned so much from this explanation about 15 years ago - Once you get the concept of the modal order, you can translate this to so many techniques - arpeggios, tapping sequences, harmonization and especially other scales. Take a harmonic minor and apply the same concepts and you'll be able to extract chords, patterns, sequences, licks and your world will be endless. Do it to a Hungarian Minor, Neopolitan, anything - keep the order, extract the scales, extract arpeggios, link!
Dejansurfmusic 1 year ago
@Dejansurfmusic These scales you speak of like Hungarian, Neopolitan. Are they scales with a flatten and/or sharpen note from each mode?
calmclownful 1 year ago
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calmclownful 1 year ago
This is how the concept of modes click for many of many students. Picture a round dinner table with 7 plates set. The plates have the letter names C,D,E,F,G,A,B written on them clockwise. If you go "around" the circle from C to C you are playing the C Ionian mode. If you go "around" the circle from D to D you are playing the D Dorian mode (and so on).
Every mode in a given key has the same seven notes.
TimeLordGuitar 1 year ago
@TimeLordGuitar the other question i have which which is hard to explain is when do you use the the different modes. for example, if you have a simple G,C,D pattern in the key of G can you use the G ionian mode when the g chord is playing, the C lydian when c is playing, and the D mixylidian when d is playing? Or could i just one mode for whole improv./ solo?
crawfishmetz 1 year ago
@crawfishmetz
As long as you are in key it will sound fine. Ultimately,however,you want to learn to start and end your phrases on chord tones. Yes- you can play G Ionian over ANY chord in the key of G Major with good results. Ideally- you don't want to run up and down modes...you want to use modes to "grab" the chord tones within them over top of the respective underlying chords.
TimeLordGuitar 1 year ago
@TimeLordGuitar thnx. you helped alot. mayhave more questions later but for now im good
crawfishmetz 1 year ago
@TimeLordGuitar actually there is another thing. you said that the 1st 4th and 5th notes in a major scale are always major and the 2nd 3rd and 6th are always minor and the 7th is always diminished. what about minor scales? if i remember right the pattern is W H W W H W W but which notes are major and which are minor? thnx again
crawfishmetz 1 year ago
@crawfishmetz
The natural minor scale is just a mode of the major scale. This is the reason why a song in the key of G and a song in the key of E minor have the same key signature....they contain the same notes. I never think in terms of minor EVER. If you want to think in terms of "minor," just start from the sixth mode of the major scale and "re-number" from there one-through-seven. Thus- the sixth mode of the major scale becomes the "first mode/one chord." I never think like that.
TimeLordGuitar 1 year ago
@TimeLordGuitar So does that mean that a Natural Minor Scale and an Aeolian Scale are the same thing?
calmclownful 1 year ago
@calmclownful
Yes. The A natural minor scale (aka the A Aeolian mode) is the sixth mode of the C major scale (aka the C Ionian mode).
TimeLordGuitar 1 year ago
@TimeLordGuitar Thanks!
calmclownful 1 year ago
@TimeLordGuitar The Seventh Mode is Locrian and is Diminished, I know this. But can it be Fully Diminished and Half Diminished?
calmclownful 1 year ago
@calmclownful
The seventh mode (Locrian) is usually associated with the diminished chord (root,b3,b5). The mode is often associated with a m7b5 chord (root,b3,b5,b7) as well. A m7b5 adds and extra note to the three-note diminished triad.
A (four-note) diminished 7 chord would contains an out-of-key note. That doesn't stop composers,however,from employing dim7 chords instead of a dim chord! The melody over the chord has to be adjusted to fit with the non-diatonic note.
TimeLordGuitar 1 year ago
@TimeLordGuitar Thanks Man, I appreciate the help.
calmclownful 1 year ago
@TimeLordGuitar my friend told me that all music theory does is make people pompass know it all douche bags and that it is not important at all. i know this is non sense, but what do you kind about? since you're knowledgable about the guitar.
calmclownful 1 year ago
@calmclownful
Music theory is information...nothing more,nothing less. Just because someone knows the circle of fifths and the seven modes in all keys doesn't mean that he or she is magically able to compose a well-written,cohesive song. (It's akin to believing that someone that knows that red + yellow = orange will be able to paint a fantastic oil painting just because they have some basic information related to mixing colors.) I like knowing how things work.
TimeLordGuitar 1 year ago
@TimeLordGuitar think i see what your sayin. tell me if my reasoning is right. if someone tells you that the song is a 2,3,6 pattern in the key of A minor, you say the relative major would be C major so the chords in the song are D minor, E minor, and, A minor.
crawfishmetz 1 year ago
@crawfishmetz
I never think of "relative minor"...just major: I,iim,iiim,IV,V,vim,viidim
That's it. No reason to learn redundant numerology of "the relative minor key."
If I'm in a situation where someone is communicating in terms of minor key,I just ask them to think in terms of major. In the key of C major,there is no reason to call the vim chord the "I chord of the key of A minor."
Diatonically, it's the "vim chord" of C Major...always.
TimeLordGuitar 1 year ago
@TimeLordGuitar ya i gotcha. thnx for the help
crawfishmetz 1 year ago
Im confused and going back over all 3 videos
guitfidl 1 year ago
I don't have a clue what this guy is talking about... But I know that he's a one badass guitarist!
mingebag851 1 year ago
"told you that was pretty weird" :D awesome lesson
acosebede 1 year ago
So the other modes are just different patterns of the C scale?
GibsonGuitarist666 1 year ago
I know what a mode is. I was in a good mode until I my wife refused to blow me.
dirtydonki 1 year ago 25
@dirtydonki you are awesome, yet my girl can handle a pineapple!
harrymasonmarmita 1 year ago
@dirtydonki LoL!
jrox5150 1 year ago
@dirtydonki lol
georgesorosisgay 1 year ago
is he canadian?
theADVENTUREkids333 1 year ago
how did people get their hair so big back then? is it hairspray or wat??
jespin4 1 year ago
one of the true good guys in r&roll
joescout 1 year ago
This was so helpful. Thanks for uploading!
AdrianF1994 1 year ago
is this gut dead? when was this video made?
theADVENTUREkids333 1 year ago
but it doesnt meanthat you have to play the letters in order for playing solo"s rite?? forexample, if you were toplay g dorian, it wouldntallwaysbe mixolydian
kwonbin7 1 year ago
why do you need to know the modes inorder??
kwonbin7 1 year ago
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SAK47RAMENTO 1 year ago
@kwonbin7 you need to know the order of the modes because they have specific structural functions in music...
SAK47RAMENTO 1 year ago
Yes time lord. I ii iii IV V vi vii(diminished)
(: and the most common progression is I-IV-V-I
LostandRecovered 1 year ago
The use of Roman numerals tends to confuse many players. Stick to using familiar Arabic numerals (I.e.- 1,2,3,4,5,6 and 7) if you find the Roman numerals confusing.
In a nutshell:
The 1,4,5 triads are always major
The 2,3,6 triads are always minor
The 7 triad is always diminished (* this is often extended to a four-note chord which turns the "base" diminished chord into a m7b5.)
This works for every major scale...every key.
TimeLordGuitar 1 year ago
this is THE BEST mode-lesson in the net.
thx vinnie
gernot142 1 year ago 2
Will i EVER be able to comprehend MODES!!??? LOL
BoundInChains 1 year ago 2
Wow looks like young dimebag.
mansx420 1 year ago
just fyi, the names came from the different areas that the modes came from. Ex: Lydia, Phrygia, Locria etc
ironwolg 1 year ago
fuck the names
lol
LXGOTZ 1 year ago
My brain hurts... X-(
SuperGuitarNerd 1 year ago
PLEASE HELP ME! i understand almost everything, but if i want to stay in B Dorian mode and whant to change chords but staying in b dorian, how do i know what chords i can play??
carlrhoads 1 year ago
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yngvaigilbsteen 1 year ago
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yngvaigilbsteen 1 year ago
@carlrhoads
Every key has 7 notes,7 modes and 7 (basic) chords. Dorian is built off the second note of the "major parent scale" which is a step (2 frets) below the Dorian root. In the case of B Dorian,the parent scale is A Major (aka "A Ionian"). You can use any of the 7 chords in the parent key of A major as a backing track for improvising with the B Dorian mode:
A, Bm, C#m, D, E, F#m, G#dim
Get Dr. Guy Capuzzo's book "Theory for the Contemporary Guitarist." Guy's book is great.
TimeLordGuitar 1 year ago 2
oo thanx i understud, but the thing i want to now is, if im going to stay in dorian mode, it is best to start with the second chord in the scale of A?, it would sound more dorian type? or what is the trick, to change chords and stay in the same mode, cause it wont be the same if i play b dorian starting with a b minor, that starting with a D Mayor. please help me with this
carlrhoads 1 year ago
"Best" is not really applicable. The Bm chord,however,is very harmonically safe chord underneath a B Dorian melody. A common trick is to use one or more of the chords that contain the root of the mode that you are improvising with. In the case of the B Dorian mode,the B note is the root. So any chord in the parent key of A Major that contains a B note will work great (Bm,E,G#dim) as a "support" chord superimposed underneath your melodies. (* All of the chords in the key,however,will work.)
TimeLordGuitar 1 year ago
@carlrhoads
"iim,V,I" chord progressions always work for Dorian improvisation. In the key of A Major,a "iim,V,I" would be: Bm, E, A.
Jazz players will often extend the basic diatonic triads to (still 100% diatonic) extended variant chords turning the aforementiond progression into:
Bm7,E7 and A Maj7 respectively.
TimeLordGuitar 1 year ago
o! thanx man you help me a lot now i understand everything, i just have 1 more question, how do you now that in dorian the chords that will suit better are the IIm, V, I? is there a rule for that, how do i know what Chords to use with a mixolidian or a lidian, i understand that the ones that have the root of the mode in the cord, but what numeration like, llM, V, I, thnx for all by the way
carlrhoads 1 year ago
@carlrhoads
The Dorian "root" can always be found in the iim,V,I chords. The same concept can be used for the six other modes.
Ionian always works well over the I,IV,vim since the root note can be found in those chords.
This is just one way to "visualize" the fretboard puzzle.
TimeLordGuitar 1 year ago
oo thanx man now i understand the logic of modes!! thnx to you and vinnie moore haha! and sorry for my bad english, im from mexico, Thanx!
carlrhoads 1 year ago
hey you seem pretty knowlegable about guitar, so do you know if at the begining he is talking about caged cords
algor123 1 year ago
@algor123
Hi Algor13. No. Vinnnie is talking about chord scales. A "chord scale" seems like an odd name,but it is a scale with the appropriate diatonic three-note chord (triad) attached to each scale tone. Every major scale has 7 notes. The triads built from the 1,4 and 5 are major. The triads built from the 2,3 and 6 are minor. The 7 chord is the oddball,which is a diminished. You can add a fourth diatonic note to turn the diminished chord into a
m7b5. This is what Vinnie did here.
TimeLordGuitar 1 year ago
@TimeLordGuitar he says that the first note is c maj. the second is d minor third is e minor, and so on. why are different notes in this scale minor and different ones are major and the sevent is diminished? is this just a rule that is true for all scales or what? askin you cuz you seem to know what your talkin about.
crawfishmetz 1 year ago
@crawfishmetz
Because of the mechanics of how the major-scale-system works the first, fourth and fifth chords in a major scale are always major chords. The second, third and sixth chords in a major scale are always minor chords. The seventh chord in a major scale, which is the oddball, is always a diminished chord. This is the case no matter what the scale.
TimeLordGuitar 1 year ago
My favorite line: "Some guy, 15,000 years ago..."
lol
yngvaigilbsteen 1 year ago 2
Okay though dude you are verry good. yes you showed me Dorian scale, but what I want to know is, how do dorian solo's
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trixie10121 1 year ago
Wow!!! This is one of the best lessons I've seen on YouTube.
This really explains a ton of stuff on the guitar that I was wondering about.
GREAT LESSON - THANK YOU!!!!
legalrule 2 years ago
i´m sorry vinnie you´re not explaining modes really ... you´re just playing the scale over the chord that belong the mode, but that is not a modal chord progression is only groovin in one chord. This isn´t the worst explanation of modes it clear some things but is missing the most important part THE MODAL CHORD PROGRESSIONS
rafikimetalperu 2 years ago
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yngvaigilbsteen 1 year ago
look .. an easy way to deal with modes .. a very basic approach is this .. take your root .. so if your playing Emaj , Fmaj , Gmaj .. look at your root .. E . then if you want a phygian feell .. step down from the E a major third .. so you get C ... therefore play c major over this prog ... try it .. you will see what i mean .. msg me if you want more basic info ... :)
Minor8Flat4 2 years ago
this is not modal .. all your doing is playing scales positionly up the neck ... tell me this ... i play Emaj - Fmaj - Gmaj ... and i play a melodic line in the key of C Major ... what mode am in in ?
Minor8Flat4 2 years ago
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yngvaigilbsteen 1 year ago
Thats alot of hair!
CrazyMik 2 years ago
without question the worst explanation of modes I have ever seen. Remarkable.
frugalera 2 years ago
worst hair? yes. ugliest guitar? uh huh. worst explanation of modes? no. it's actually really good and in standard bar jargon thats easy to understand.
TheBootsy900 2 years ago 13
No, actually, it really is bad. "Ionian predominantly pertains to the major scale." Huh? How about "the Ionian scale IS the major scale. Period." The video is full of stuff like that. He actually makes it more complicated than it is. By the way, the jazz masters who played bebop ABSOLUTELY understood the modes. Many guitarists from