(And He has cast in the earth anchorages [mountains standing firm] so that it should not reel with you, and rivers and roads that possibly you would be guided.) (Surah Al-Nahl: 15). Ibn-Kathir said: “Mountains standing firm” means that Allah created the earth with its strong pillars and deeply rooted mountains which stabilize the earth and prevent it from shaking and disturbing life on Earth.
My advice. Go buy a translation of the Quran, and read it. :) Thanks if you read all of the comments
God made miracles to happen for the men who still couldn't grasp the immense knowledge of God.People like you :) So you may turn to him in obedience and repentance. So you don't get deviated by the unseen evil which God created. God cares for you that much.
And Islam in my eyes is the true religion. Allah has graced his subjects with a recommendation where. If their is doubt, then he should investigate, and learn until he can prove the authenticity.
Allah proved in the Qur'an about the stages of the embryo development at a time where no one knew how to find out and perfectly got it right when people researched some more. Until recently scientist just found out And if scientist can prove the stages are like the Qur'an. That only means that God exist
with all the things perfectly synchronized, all knew it's function.And how all the protons and electrons came to be in the string theory. Scientist say it's random selection.Random selection? Yet something has to pre-program it's movement , wether left or right. It couldnt just happen like that? Where does the energy come from? Glory be to God because God controls the biggest creations down till the smallest creations.. All in God's power.
And if that's the case. then there's only two choices.Which is..: There is God OR there isn't a God. To me, I think you didn't give such a good answer to refute God.So basically there's a God. For a bonus. I'll let you ponder why there should be a God.
I'm a biology student.So, i ponder this a lot. Don't you feel it kinda weird that everything in the body is perfectly in tune, all well to the most minute detail? No amount of craftsmanship could get everything well organized ,(next post)
only set to detect a few types of chemicals. Do you know the chemistry of your eyes? ..Do you know what other chemistry is detectable by your eyes? Here you are, making an awfully big conclusion with such redundant use of tools. Bro, were just like fishes in a bowl. We can only make ideas from what we learned from the bowl. If were taken out of that bowl. You'll see that there's a lot of things you never imagined and could have never comprehended.
What I mean, why is it that you can believe all that physic ideas and say it exists ? Isn't it all just a creation and theory of the mind? You say it's gravity. Because you made the story of gravity like that.But I'll tell you why you can't refute God's existence. You can't make a conclusion without proving anything. And our senses are just too incompetent.. How can you already prove God doesn't exist, when your senses is made of a few types of chemicals, (next post)
Sir, I wish could write a real long reply for this occasion. But the space isn't enough. So I'll just touch the surface of this topic. Well, one thing of being an Atheist is that Atheist like results more than speculations. You tend to go on leads from experiments. But if I may ask, how are the way scientific findings are deducted? Using the 5 senses. So just because you can't see something, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's just because you're not given the capability.
I am just looking into Islam so I am not a pro by any means but an outsider looking in but if I had to choose this second between you and what Deen is saying I would choose Islam, look how negative you are, its said and I feel for you, my father is like you and it pains me to see you so unhappy! I hope you find true happiness regardless of your beleifs, you just don't seem happy to me and maybe in the future you will see differently, good luck
WHAT A JOKE.. I think you're a woman ..bwahahahhha.. btw..is that ur cat? why do not you upload a video about your cat alone? .. definitely more interesting to watch...LOL
This is the same type of reasoning that led the west divided on the concept of morality, attempting to make it subjective, seems the west is losing sense with reality with arguments that questions every bit of objective social issues. Once you make morality subjective u have no grounds to base necessary elements of definiton of right and wrong.
Is this guy wants to be retarded or a retard, cut the crap of rebuttal arguments non-sense. Did you ever think that once u test for the divinity of a book's message all the pretentious argumentative verbal diarrhea must cease. Who the fuck are we to question the purpose of existense wiht our creator if you have succeded in satisfying said test. Does it come to your mind that type of reasoning "questioning everything" is a dangerous one, coz everybody wants to argue just coz they can.
ok...u are just a product of the elite that is controling the world n they realy need guys or girls like u .....coz u hav no idea about the big picture
get a haircut, I can't listen to this inssufficient ignorance and arrogance..try learning what Islam is about before criticizing and coming up with your own notions about somthing you don't know about.
Calling us the Muslims backward or ignorants, huh... not all Muslims speaks with broken English you know, at least they tried to get their message spread around the world, and spread the peace. A lot of people do become Muslim. and the way of life of Islam is not as what you see in the American nor in the English cartoons or movies. because they insult the Arabs as being dumb. and I thank Allah that we aren't; if you don't like Islam just read about it and you may become better man.
*Its heresy to equate God to creation as H20 *Trinity is man-made/has no basis in Scripture *God is One [Exod 20:3, Mrk12:29, Quran2:163] *God is not man/son of [Num23:19] and never seen [Exod33:20] *Christ is created by a Word of God just as Adam or the universe "Let there 'BE'..." [Gen ch1,2] *God does not need blood sacrifice [Hos6:6] *you are not born with original sin [Ezek18:20] *Salvation is: Surrender to God/Islam and His MERCY.
Is any ready to surrender to GOD now! [i.e. become Muslim]?
you mean to tell me that this video is to be taken seriously.? it is these exact same people who are gonna say,"if only we had used our intelligence". work according to your way,we too are working and in the end we will see who is on the right path!!!
other biengs surviving by the suffering and pain of other beings?? but science proves that fruit and vegetables herbs plants feel pain, you gonna starve Mr. Athiest
well dude sorry to say you need to research on islam before posting the video. read the holy book quran jesus is also the messanger of god . this world has to end one day even science proved it. do a little research. all i can say may god guided you to the right path
Um.....is that your real hair? At first I thought you were wearing a wig because you were going to do a funny skit or spoof, but after a few minutes I realized that it might be your real hair! Wow!
As a Christian Kabbalist, I am not allowed to judge anyone. For what ever points of view they have. My study is about the nature of God, and how in spirit he reacts with his creation. Kabbalah is Jewish Mysticism. And the origin, of the idea of a "big bang". But that is another argument. This person who has made this video, has points to be looked upon, then studied. He delivers his ideas with some thought. TaoKeen, has hit a good point. About the chance of things.
I liked what you had to say about The Deen Show. You make valid points, you're a smart bloke and admire your views, but after reading a few comments left and discussed... when you talk about the natural order of things, the way you describe it is true enough. But I believe you are stopping short of the greater quesiton, which is still why. Everything serves a purpose on this earth, there is nothing that does not(I dont think, so far), why would the human mind be any different?
@TaoKeenan things don't serve a purpose, purpose is a humanised conception of causality where effects are caused due to intention, rather than merely consequential of preceding conditions.
The truth is that mentally we turn events into a narrative with ourselves at the centre to make sense of data. We mistakenly assume there is purpose and intention behind events when there isn't any because of the way we associate concepts to learn things and see patterns that aren't there.
@Kthonix Sorry mate, I couldn't understand your accent as Im from the middle east
I agree with what youve said in 1 post regarding causation It may not be purposeful However I the point some theists are trying to drive here is this-the first event the commenced the chain of causation could not have occurred itself The "particle" starting the chain of causation could not have come into being ex nihilo This is a lengthy discussion Not something easily resolved through YT posts :P damn char limit:(
@Kthonix you are irrational athiest because you say that we say God created everything and you deny it, but at the same time you say that nobody knows how God functions. Of course no one knows how God function. which of course reflects your stupidity. well, you are talking too much without providing any evidence at least we do, but you are too ignorant to realize it.
@Kthonix you are irrational athiest because you say that we say God created everything and you deny it, but at the same time you say that nobody knows how God functions. Of course no one knows how God function. which of course reflects your stupidity. well, you are talking too much without providing any evidence at least we do, but you are too ignorant to realize it.
actually you know what, i would like to apologise for my previous comment, i shouldnt have reacted the way i did and so therefore i'm sorry, i was reacting to something else and it just came out in my reply, i hope you didnt take it personally and i'm sorry for the offence caused
@mizdaman2004 Don't worry dude, if there's all the rubbish comments that don't bother me, your more reasonable response won't. :P
In answer to it, do you consider snowflakes, waterfalls or puddles or pebbles to be "accidents"? I mean, they're caused by unintentional natural processes, thing do just end up that way. "Accident" still implies something went wrong or contrary to some sort of plan, rather than things were a logical consequence of preceding environmental conditions.
@Kthonix I do not consider things that happen in this world to be an accident in the grande scheme of things, This is not to take away any responsibilities from human beings in regards to the actions that they commit as we are all responsible for the actions that we commit and recompense for these actions will be paid in the next life, everything has a reason of being in existence or non-existence
@mizdaman2004 unfortunately, none of that is testable, and it appears to be false, we ironically have no reason at all to believe prophets and kooks at their word. Everything has a reason? Why should I believe that? There's another life? Why should I believe that? Life appears to be finite, that's why we value it, and afterlife judgement appears to be a made up story.
I agree with you that the deen show shouldnt have steriotyped athiests in the way that they did, but what just came out of your mouth is the most biggest amount of bullshit i think i've ever heard, if evolution wasn't an accident (like you said) than you are suggesting that the process that started evolution was the opposite of an accident, basically it was 'willed' by a higher intelligent being
CUT YOUR HAIR HIPPIE! You want proof in God? Take a seed of grain and plant it, if it harvests, THERE'S YOUR SIGN! I bet you like the smell of your own farts don't ya? Putz.
Hello, in response the worms in the eye thing; As we muslims know, this life is a test. we appreciate good health when one is sick, we appreciate life when there is death, and we appreciate food when there is hunger. and may i ask, what is your purpose in life?
If that position is true, then God was created, because otherwise nothing created him and he doesn't exist. If you're going to admit that things can just exist without being created, even phenomena that produce universes, there's no reason to call those things gods.
Lol you look like a girl{In A wierd Accent}Jk- "Submitting to authority is a highly ideological problem". It depends on the authority. If evil is encouraged by the authority then submission can produce evil- and vice versa. You answered your own question. "You have no idea how God operates". Evolution Theory is True but it does not disprove God. The evidence used 2 explain the two must be seperate.
is it just getting drunk every weekend after the party? is it having sex with every single girl/boy you know? is it earning a lot of money and being rich? is it being a worldwide famous actor/actress/singer/model? or is there any at all?
If God created existence, by that logic something else would had to have created God. Was what God doing all that time before creating existence then, twiddling his thumbs, stewing it over in his head, or creating other failed existences first? It just doesn't add up! There has always been existence, it could not just come from nothing. Energy takes different forms but it doesn't just die out, so that means it doesn't have a beginning either.
from that point of view it is also illogical to think that energy was eternal or something. You say energy takes different forms, okay, where does this damn energy come from then??
another thing.. You say theres no point of life unless you make it yourself, what if you don't? then you just eat, drink, sleep, then wake up, eat, drink, sleep etc etc and so on? And nothing but your bones remain? you just turn to another source of energy? don't get judged by your actions?
@PaulLivLover even the statement "God created the universe" is a statement that is ultimately about conservation of energy, from God's magical bullshit into the universe's physical matter and properties. That still wouldn't answer where energy comes from, even if it were true, energy is a conservative system we came up with to explain the behaviours of matter.
@Kthonix as I said if it takes other forms, transforms from one into another, then where is that initial energy? So there is got to be at least some amount of energy to transform into other forms and eventually create the universe. And this means it can't come out of nothing, it HAS TO BE CREATED!
@Kthonix because how there's simply no other way.. How can something just be? You say it's changing all the time, okay, what was that in the beginning? How did it come to be?
@Kthonix@Kthonix because the concept of eternal time or energy is wrong. Look, If I go to a store to buy something, and there are 4 people before me, I have to wait these 4 people. If there are 40, I have to wait 40, but if there are ENDLESS NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT MEANS MY TURN IS NEVER GONNA COME, so is the universe and time and energy. If there are 5 years till I am going to be born, then I'll be born after 5 years, if there are 500, I'll be born after 100 years...
@Kthonix eternal cause and effect is like it happens all the time, and cause and effect is not the same as time. Whenever there is a cause, there is an effect. So, in the concept of cause and effect, 'eternal' is more like 'universal' or 'happening all the time wothout exceptions', it's not the 'eternal' you use with time.
@Kthonix causality is an effect of one eternal cause with which the case is not the same as it is with time and energy, it is indeed eternal, and it is God. Otherwise, God wouldn't be any different that transformation of energy and it would need to be created and the logic would be incomplete, that is, something had to create God, and something had to create what has created God and so on. That is why there is only one eternal concept. And that is God.
@Kthonix No, I'm not just blindly saying its an eternal cause so it's God, no. It is because without something being an eternal cause, nothing would be able to be created, time does not just "start" somewhere out of nothing. But with something being eternal, something that can create other things, it's possible for the effect to come and be a cause to other effects
@Kthonix If you really want to learn further about it or if it just interests you, please read the word of God (aka Quran). You won't regret, believe me...
@Kthonix and there were a lot of people like you who were just interested in this, and were smart enough to use their brains and think, and those people read it, understood and followed the Truth
then why don't you just go kill homeless people where no one sees you and take their dimes and cents and clothes and then sell them to get more money, enjoy your life? Why on earth the word "honesty" exists? why don't you just betray your friends when you no longer need them or have benefit when you betray them? why dont you torture helpless animals only in order to have fun? why dont you steal when no one sees you?
Honesty exists too because we care about our friends and the people around us. Not because of fear of God. No offense intended but that's a shallow way to justify honesty. That would mean it's not sincere. IMO.
@murderousbastard83 and what is the point of making purpose for your life if you gain nothing from it but lose a lot? why not just have fun all the time until you get dead and transformed to "nothing"?
did you EVER think of these things? didn't you ever wonder how this miracle came to be? isn't it too good to just be a miracle?
I believe you are atleast reasonable to some extent since you didnt offend believers (including me) or write "I don't believe ya, just get the f outta here".
I don't want to offend anybody that truly believes in something, in fact sometimes I envy you. I don't mind offending people who use faith for there agenda though. Like the Saudi Wahabis and Ahmedanijad.
Well at least weve got something in common, cuz I hate that Ahmednijad bastard too, and I doubt he even properly practises religion.
and you say if you leave a legacy you won't turn to nothingness, allright, how will that be of benefit to you? Will you even know this if youre dead and theres nothing afterwards?
Plus, I AM 100% that he exists without a tiny bit of doubt.
Honestly, this conversation is really gettin interesting for me and I got just one question to you
@murderousbastard83 Please answer it in detail and with honesty, don't deceive.
Did you really conduct research on Quran? Did you really read that? If you did, did you read till the end of it? or threw away cuz you thought its gonna "corrupt" you? Which part was controversial or deceiving or not peaceful or intolerant or just wrong to you? Did you thought of it as nonsense? Also, did you watch a lotta TV and heard plenty of stupid things from media before reading this book?
I took courses in the study of Islam, Judaism and Christianity is college. Islam seemed like a reformed version of Christianity to me. Like Adam wasn't the first man but the first to communicate with God. Stuff that somehow made more sense in the scheme of things. Trust me if I had a religous bone in my body still, I would probably be Muslim over being Christian or Jewish or anything else but I just don't buy the God story anymore.
@murderousbastard83 in case you took courses, then its nothing for you to spend about a couple of weeks and read the actual book, becuz your courses were by humans and they might have done something that you didnt like or courses might not have been perfect, so please just read the book, just once, and youll know why im killin myself here trying to convince you :) please, just read it, its much more than courses, preaching and evrything else, youll get the point once youve read it
@murderousbastard83 Im regardin you as a person with senses and enough logic to understand. This book sure wouldn hurt you or waste your time, so why wouldn you just try it? and dont you even wonder whats written there?
Sure Im curious and when I get the chance maybe I will read it in its entirety. But all religion just sounds like a pitch at some point to me. There is always some angle involved.
@murderousbastard83 Well, I really appreciate it that you confessed theres some logic in that and youre likely to read that. Thats really good, a lot of people bitch about things they don't even know a lil bit of, but you don't. So please read that, and unlike any other book youve read, youll see no flaws or controversies in this book, there are stores that give free Quran to non muslims like you to understand the message of God, I can give you its number if you want
One thing I do have a beef with with Islam i must admit though is that it seems in order to be a good Muslim, you have to understand Arabic. Isn't that a little Arabcentric? I didn't have to learn Greek or Latin in order to understand the Bible correctly. Please clarify this for me. Plus I'm curious what country you hale from too. Im from Notheast in the USA.
"One thing I do have a beef with with Islam i must admit though is that it seems in order to be a good Muslim, you have to understand Arabic. Isn't that a little Arabcentric?"
By Allah, I assure you theres nothing like that! You can read Quran in every language, theres nohing wrong with it. For instance, the vast majority of Muslims arent even arabs or dont know arabic at all (including me).
@murderousbastard83 Theres one quotation from our Prophet PBUH, its like, Allah doesnt care whether your black or white, you look good or bad, your arab or israeli or european or asian (Prophet's pbuh wife was israeli for example). Ive never read Quran in arabic cuz I dont know it, and you also dont have to know it in order to read Quran. You see, your knowledge about it isnt completely true and im sure theres even more and serious flaws in what youve been informed
@murderousbastard83 Well, as for what country I live in.. Its a country that youve not even heard of Im sure. Its Azerbaijan, a country in the eastern europe (it has borders with russia, turkey, iran, caspian sea, georgia etc)
about people there: lol, dont think they are arabs, most of them are white with pale skin and culture is not islamic at all! this ones for sure. I mean if you were a true muslim living in here, youd probably face more difficulties than in any other non muslim country
I know where Azerbaijan is, it's a former Sovier block near Uzbekistan. I just notice that people of the Muslim faith, even Eddie and Josh are always quoting scripture in Arabic so I assumed it was some kind of requirement.
Youre partly right, it is former USSR country, as you see, as the former communist country we had lots of atheists too. But youre not right about uzbekistan, uzbekistan is in central asia, and our countries are divided by a huge lake (caspian sea) and besides theres a distance of thouthands of miles between us.
"even Eddie and Josh are always quoting scripture in Arabic so I assumed it was some kind of requirement. "
btw wow you know them? thats really cool :) you watch the show?
@murderousbastard83 although majority of people are "muslim", at least by name.
so it is not really a muslim country
and i dont like it here at all, so im moving to US after a couple of years, and most probably I'll leave here this september and go to either canada or europe, then after graduating university, ill move to USA
@murderousbastard83 also, God appreciates converts more than inborn muslims, bucause they have put much more efforts than inborn ones for the right way
@murderousbastard83 oh I forgot to tell, you don't even have to change your name unless it has a meaning against islam. all the common names are okay (e g John, George, Paul, Josh, Jane, Liz, Linda etc)
erm, theyre not many, like the ones that has meaning of worshipping certain idols, places people etc, also bringing the person (the carrier of the name) equal to God, names of pharaohs and so on
But I don't know specificly which english names are prohibited, I only know a few arabic ones, btw whats your name?
I think about these things all the time, and it just isn't in my nature to do terrible things like that. I have at least some respect for life and other people as well as distain for justice. I joke around about wanting to kill people sometimes but I don't have it in me. To answer your question: If you want to leave a legacy and be important in other peoples lives then you don't just transform into nothingness.
and one more thing, do you really think this world is run by nothing? by itself? and if the people who have power or are stronger than you opress or do harm to you, are they gonna be unpunished? or if someone does ggod things, are they gonna be unrewarded?
whats the purpose of life then? why would you do charity actions? why wouldnt you kill anyone at every single opportunity to gain take something from them knowing nothings gonna happen to you in return? whats the purpose of life?
These are definitely important questions that many people ask, and from what I see in the world... yes there is no conductor running the locomotive of existence. Life is just too random for there to be, and there is no purpose to life unless you make one yourself. Life itslelf is the true miracle. I wouldn't expect it to make sense when you are use to the monotheistic explanation, but think of it this way... logic would dictate that something could not come out of nothing.
Yeah, this world is ruled by nature, not an intelligent, intentional entity. There's nothing in life that adds up to purpose or meaning; such things are how we percieve patterns, even ones that aren't there, like faces in clouds or the moon.
Why do you do charitable actions? To help. To feel better about yourself. The effects are why we should do things.
There is no purpose to life, but there are ways to live it that come pretty close.
@Kthonix yeah, then you die, leave only your bones, be forgotten, not judged by your actions, and just become a "zero", nothing, air, or soil...
whod care of life then? whod think of other people? "To help. To feel better about yourself"?
why? why would you feel better about yourself if you gain nothing but lose your money or property? You couldve used that money for yourself instead, couldnt ya?
Why? Because that's all I have. That's all you have too, despite your desire for it to be otherwise. See Epicurus' writings for why unrestrained self-interest never leads to happiness.
@Kthonix read the book and youll be shown that difference, actually, thats why hundreds of atheist people from US, Canada, Europe, Australia are turning to Islam.
Besides, that you havent been informed doesnt mean God doesnt exist, its part of prejudice
I have been informed, it's just a crap concept hotch-potched together by primitives who were scared by storms and earthquakes. Nowadays you're no different, just frightened conspiracy theorists with empty promises about a life beyond death and an imaginary friend.
I don't care if people are converting; people are deconverting too, and no doubt killed for apostasy by your charming co-religionists. The popularity of an idea has no impact on how true it is. Your god is imaginary.
@Kthonix dammit did you even read that?? If you think youre sensible, then why are you so radical? Why do you ignore other possibilities? Cuz you are brainwashed, either by others, or by yourself
You only have right to talk about it once you read it.
And it wouldnt take more than 2 weeks for an extremely "sensible and intelligent" person like you, so you better go read it
I've examined the other possibilities and found them to be mostly mystical turd that attempt to obfuscate truth and fight against reason and empiricism at every turn. I'm not even especially radical in these thoughts.
As long as there's been religion people have come to the exact same conclusion I have, while you guys end up believing in magical crabs and child molesting prophets.
P.S. If you think you have amazing evidence for God, it's up to you to argue it, not me.
@Kthonix allright, I did all I could, it's my duty to inform you, not guide you. So it's up to you what to do next, but I still hope you'll regret soon becuz if you don't, afterwards you'll bitterly regret that you didn't regret when you could.
@Kthonix em, I just came to another conclusion thanks to you.. well by now, I was thinkin that I could convince everyone, be they clever or not, and I kept believing in that, cuz that always worked. But now I realized that if that worked with everyone, then the world would be heaven and there would be peace and love everywhere. But its impossible, because thats really too good to be true, so I understand the existence of people like you, its a burden for us, believers
@Kthonix but I still don't mean to say youre completely evil, cuz theres always a bit of good in everyone, so I believe itll increase someday after YOU get mature, I am mature enough
Im not about his hair or anything. And he IS making strong point for the people like him and you. I dont think Im gonna add any comments on this video anymore unless i do feel like doing that.
but one thing: just please read that book which you may think is wrong, you know what Im talkin about. Just read it only once. Its not gonna take any longer than a coupla weeks, and then youll regret what youre sayin now. If you have a bit of logic and tolerance, if you are
reasonable enough to listen others just to check if theyre wright or wrong, just take that book, theres lotsa em free for people like you to let the likes of you know about the truth, read it with open mind and logic, if that doesnt make sense, then leave it, but I know it won't and you won't regret for the couple of weeks or days you spent. I hope I was clear enough
Listen I know that Muslims can boast about using more logic than Christians and Jews and all the rest, which is mostly true, and I have done research on the Qu'ran but there is no force in this world other than God's hand coming out of the sky to bitchslap me that could convince me he exists. Lol. I hope you weren't too offended by my comment.
But I highly doubt that you did proper research on Quran or even read it with an open (in its full meaning) mind. Because if you did, youd have been a muslim a long time by now
But I still hope therell be some source to indeed bitchslap you about His existence, and i dont do it for myself, I wouldn gain anything from it, I hope it for you, even tho I dun even know you, may He guide you
I wish he was real, cause I could use his help lately. But I'll tell ya that if he is real he's been doing a lousy job and I think he should be voted out of office. LOL.
Oh, please. go get a life, If you dun like it, why dont you just save your "precious time" not doing things like that?.. You look ignorant, and sure you are. So I only hope youll undestand the life someday, but theres so little hope for ones like you
Your remarks that you make in your video hurts. My human nature tell me say or do something to hurt you back. But Islam teaches us to do the opposite. This is one of many reasons why i am a muslim.
my friend this life is gaurenteed to come to an end. Religions warning us of judgement day. If religion is wrong then religious people lived humble lives and became dust. But if they are right then what. You have to question yourself for your own sake.
Even if a retarded person screams fire a smart person will look in every corner of the building to make sure he is not right even if there is a very small chance the retarded person actually saw a fire and not emagined it.
lol " either learn about it or stop talking about it" nicely said.. apply this to ur self and u will see the real change in u.. but its good that u think..
YOu are now trying to prove what you think rationally, irrationally, logically or what ever. But the day when you will die I mean physically, morally, ethically and really then you will know what was all that about.
how do you know when you die you lose awareness?. what if your soul experience all the five senses but your body is dead. Just like sleeping. You should look into some thing call Sleep Paralysis. its really scary experience. I believe sleeping is lesser death.
Name one sense you don't need a body or brain for."
well, lets assume theres none. what would that mean?
"See Epicurus' writings for why unrestrained self-interest never leads to happiness. " Why do you perceive it as 100% true or important? isnt he a human just like us? cant he be wrong? and what do you mean by "unrestrained self-interest"? religion?
If tomorrow the world was discovered to be flat, muslims would use that as proof the quran was true. If the day after that the world was discovered the world was actually round and the previous data was wrong, they would use that as proof the quran was true.
People eisegete their own out-of-context meanings into the poetic text afterwards. The Quran does not have scientific theories in it.
No, it's not. Science doesn't work like that. Science works on evidence and logic, which religions like Islam do not have. Your god is indistinguishable from an imaginary friend going by scientific principles. Whoever Keith Moore is I have no idea, but islam is still false and harmful, whoever he is.
muslims are opposed to the theory of man coming from apes. There is clear evidence within many species of alteration and changes within the species. However, there is no concrete evidence to support a cross over in development from one type to another, such as reptiles turning into birds or alligators turning into cows.Allah tells us He is Al-Bari, (The Shaper or Evolver) but once again, this does not mean He has a need to bring about each individual life form all from one kind.
This is factually incorrect, there are multiple species known that have traits from say, dinosaurs and birds or amphibians and reptiles or fish and amphibians, some of them are even alive today showing that it's still going on.
Also, you wouldn't expect one modern species to turn into another. Think about modern arabic and hebrew. Modern Hebrew won't evolve into arabic or vice versa, but they're from the same original language.
its not submission to authority its submission to your creator.
the ONE who created you. its far superior.
there is alot of scientific facts in the quran, ISLAM tells us that when you look at nature and the creation and the univerese you will come to understand god. im a muslim i dont oppose the big bang or science but i oppose evolution.
No, it isn't. It's the submission to a deity's Earthly authorities and material interests. If it were real, you wouldn't need a religion to tell you what to do, you could talk to it directly.
There are no scientific facts in the quran, there is poetic language that apologists take out of context. If you oppose evolution, you oppose empirical reality, you hate truth and you are an enemy of it.
The Quran has set a precedent 14 centuries before modern science, explaining in simple and direct terms about his "creation" of animals and their various functions and then assures us it is He who has the Power over everything. This statement includes the fact Allah can if He Wills, reshape and alter his creation as He Chooses.
God isn't real, your beliefs are quaint but insane. Animals were not created. They evolved through natural processes. Your magical desert genie is not real, and believing it actually made anything is gullible, not respectable.
whats ur problem goldy locks, i think ur dense 4 believin everythin came out of nothin, but despite that, i dont go insulting u or ur believes, u talk about shit u dont even understand, ur close minded and ignorant. athiesm really sucks the moral fibre out of people.how the fck do u know god doesnt excist , when u can prove this i will become an athiest no questions asked if u cant, keep believing our planet is in the perfect spot to support live just by chance and i will believe in god.
Am not interested in ur name, why should I care what ur parents called u? Ignorant as well as arrogant I can see. I still dont have the prove I asked for and god is as imaginary as u r, what is it to u anyway, if i want to believe in what u deem imaginary, why do u care. dont u have anything better to do then bash other ppls believes just cause they choose to believe something different to u. live and let live, princess.
So go censor the quran, take out all the bits that say "but allah" from the parts that say "there is no God" and then it won't be bashing my beliefs. Ohhhh, but we're supposed to do this one-sidedly aren't we? We're supposed to put preference to your bullshit. Fuck that. Freedom is the ability to say 2+2 = 4 and that God ain't real. Deal with it, preferably by not blowing yourself up or with gang violence.
What the hell r u taking about. nobody is denying u freedom and nobody u is denying u the ability to express ur believe, the problem is ur denying other ppl freedom by posting shit like this. to u if a person believes in god there is something wrong with them, dont u see how intolerant and close minded that is, u want freedom while denying other ppl the same right,
(And He has cast in the earth anchorages [mountains standing firm] so that it should not reel with you, and rivers and roads that possibly you would be guided.) (Surah Al-Nahl: 15). Ibn-Kathir said: “Mountains standing firm” means that Allah created the earth with its strong pillars and deeply rooted mountains which stabilize the earth and prevent it from shaking and disturbing life on Earth.
My advice. Go buy a translation of the Quran, and read it. :) Thanks if you read all of the comments
tariqqun 2 weeks ago
God made miracles to happen for the men who still couldn't grasp the immense knowledge of God.People like you :) So you may turn to him in obedience and repentance. So you don't get deviated by the unseen evil which God created. God cares for you that much.
tariqqun 2 weeks ago
And Islam in my eyes is the true religion. Allah has graced his subjects with a recommendation where. If their is doubt, then he should investigate, and learn until he can prove the authenticity.
Allah proved in the Qur'an about the stages of the embryo development at a time where no one knew how to find out and perfectly got it right when people researched some more. Until recently scientist just found out And if scientist can prove the stages are like the Qur'an. That only means that God exist
tariqqun 2 weeks ago
with all the things perfectly synchronized, all knew it's function.And how all the protons and electrons came to be in the string theory. Scientist say it's random selection.Random selection? Yet something has to pre-program it's movement , wether left or right. It couldnt just happen like that? Where does the energy come from? Glory be to God because God controls the biggest creations down till the smallest creations.. All in God's power.
tariqqun 2 weeks ago
And if that's the case. then there's only two choices.Which is..: There is God OR there isn't a God. To me, I think you didn't give such a good answer to refute God.So basically there's a God. For a bonus. I'll let you ponder why there should be a God.
I'm a biology student.So, i ponder this a lot. Don't you feel it kinda weird that everything in the body is perfectly in tune, all well to the most minute detail? No amount of craftsmanship could get everything well organized ,(next post)
tariqqun 2 weeks ago
only set to detect a few types of chemicals. Do you know the chemistry of your eyes? ..Do you know what other chemistry is detectable by your eyes? Here you are, making an awfully big conclusion with such redundant use of tools. Bro, were just like fishes in a bowl. We can only make ideas from what we learned from the bowl. If were taken out of that bowl. You'll see that there's a lot of things you never imagined and could have never comprehended.
tariqqun 2 weeks ago
What I mean, why is it that you can believe all that physic ideas and say it exists ? Isn't it all just a creation and theory of the mind? You say it's gravity. Because you made the story of gravity like that.But I'll tell you why you can't refute God's existence. You can't make a conclusion without proving anything. And our senses are just too incompetent.. How can you already prove God doesn't exist, when your senses is made of a few types of chemicals, (next post)
tariqqun 2 weeks ago
Sir, I wish could write a real long reply for this occasion. But the space isn't enough. So I'll just touch the surface of this topic. Well, one thing of being an Atheist is that Atheist like results more than speculations. You tend to go on leads from experiments. But if I may ask, how are the way scientific findings are deducted? Using the 5 senses. So just because you can't see something, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's just because you're not given the capability.
tariqqun 2 weeks ago
I am just looking into Islam so I am not a pro by any means but an outsider looking in but if I had to choose this second between you and what Deen is saying I would choose Islam, look how negative you are, its said and I feel for you, my father is like you and it pains me to see you so unhappy! I hope you find true happiness regardless of your beleifs, you just don't seem happy to me and maybe in the future you will see differently, good luck
SuperChrisAyres 2 months ago
This guy has no argument what so ever... u have no idea what ur talking about bro... probably the most boring video i ever opened.
mans582 4 months ago
WHAT A JOKE.. I think you're a woman ..bwahahahhha.. btw..is that ur cat? why do not you upload a video about your cat alone? .. definitely more interesting to watch...LOL
MsIslamicsoul 4 months ago
dude ur an idiot. u truly are so illogical.
AliahBishr 7 months ago 5
This is the same type of reasoning that led the west divided on the concept of morality, attempting to make it subjective, seems the west is losing sense with reality with arguments that questions every bit of objective social issues. Once you make morality subjective u have no grounds to base necessary elements of definiton of right and wrong.
warrior4just 8 months ago
Is this guy wants to be retarded or a retard, cut the crap of rebuttal arguments non-sense. Did you ever think that once u test for the divinity of a book's message all the pretentious argumentative verbal diarrhea must cease. Who the fuck are we to question the purpose of existense wiht our creator if you have succeded in satisfying said test. Does it come to your mind that type of reasoning "questioning everything" is a dangerous one, coz everybody wants to argue just coz they can.
warrior4just 8 months ago
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warrior4just 8 months ago
Wtf..
dcfinest26 9 months ago
this guys of his head whats he trying to do?
omarshakeer1 9 months ago
I Guess He Does Not Care For ISLAM OR GOD We Will Pray For The Lost Ones
codeten510 10 months ago
WHAT ARE U TALKING ABOUT MAN??? OR GIRL....OR WHATEVER lol....Insh Allah! Explain in another video please because this isnt working at all
HuggiePacino 10 months ago
ok...u are just a product of the elite that is controling the world n they realy need guys or girls like u .....coz u hav no idea about the big picture
MsShakibkhan 10 months ago
get a haircut, I can't listen to this inssufficient ignorance and arrogance..try learning what Islam is about before criticizing and coming up with your own notions about somthing you don't know about.
HamletSlaya101 11 months ago
Read the Quarn.. All the questions you have, the quarn has the answers
BossLady614 11 months ago
@BossLady614 its Qur'an
faheemhamz360 4 months ago
i though he was a girl
nobazter 11 months ago
Calling us the Muslims backward or ignorants, huh... not all Muslims speaks with broken English you know, at least they tried to get their message spread around the world, and spread the peace. A lot of people do become Muslim. and the way of life of Islam is not as what you see in the American nor in the English cartoons or movies. because they insult the Arabs as being dumb. and I thank Allah that we aren't; if you don't like Islam just read about it and you may become better man.
mhassan201 11 months ago
pls cut ur hair, thank u
1Waddup 1 year ago
I thought you were a girl that would have a sweet voice. But I was disgustingly wrong. Big time.
Atheist say, no this all came by chance. Chance chance chance. But funny how they don't give the chance to their Divine Creator.
Every soul will taste death.
So peace!
supermankhan 1 year ago
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*Its heresy to equate God to creation as H20 *Trinity is man-made/has no basis in Scripture *God is One [Exod 20:3, Mrk12:29, Quran2:163] *God is not man/son of [Num23:19] and never seen [Exod33:20] *Christ is created by a Word of God just as Adam or the universe "Let there 'BE'..." [Gen ch1,2] *God does not need blood sacrifice [Hos6:6] *you are not born with original sin [Ezek18:20] *Salvation is: Surrender to God/Islam and His MERCY.
Is any ready to surrender to GOD now! [i.e. become Muslim]?
robin4good 1 year ago
LOL..THERE IS YOUR BRAIN, THERE IS YOUR BRAIN ON HEROIN.
glower125 1 year ago
are you even happy with your life?
StylaK0915 1 year ago
Come study the quran, too many people including Muslims and non Muslims think they are scholars after finding everything on wikipedia and google.
I would invite you to read the quran,
saqib1989 1 year ago
you mean to tell me that this video is to be taken seriously.? it is these exact same people who are gonna say,"if only we had used our intelligence". work according to your way,we too are working and in the end we will see who is on the right path!!!
TheFalconel 1 year ago
ho COME OOOON who are you???? What do you know? Are you a scientist? A historian? An intelecutal? pliiiiiz COME ON!!
fairynparis 1 year ago
you cant understand any religion from sitting in your basement and chatting with other people sitting in their basements. go out and research
hafizhamza23 1 year ago
other biengs surviving by the suffering and pain of other beings?? but science proves that fruit and vegetables herbs plants feel pain, you gonna starve Mr. Athiest
god is not the dick
you are
123tan123 1 year ago
I can see where those ratings are coming from.
EPR89 1 year ago
well dude sorry to say you need to research on islam before posting the video. read the holy book quran jesus is also the messanger of god . this world has to end one day even science proved it. do a little research. all i can say may god guided you to the right path
arsalant2003 1 year ago
Um.....is that your real hair? At first I thought you were wearing a wig because you were going to do a funny skit or spoof, but after a few minutes I realized that it might be your real hair! Wow!
emilyrichey1 1 year ago
@emilyrichey1 haha, yes, it's my real hair. :P
Kthonix 1 year ago
if you want to learn about Islam
1- buy a translated Quran and start reading from the start... not pick a verse and go look for it!
2- do your research from the right source.
BTW people commenting on your look for two reason:-
1- your video quality is bad
2- the sound quality is also very bad ( low volume )
**impact of good video&sound quality is not as good as bad video&sound quality
Verification11 9 months ago
As a Christian Kabbalist, I am not allowed to judge anyone. For what ever points of view they have. My study is about the nature of God, and how in spirit he reacts with his creation. Kabbalah is Jewish Mysticism. And the origin, of the idea of a "big bang". But that is another argument. This person who has made this video, has points to be looked upon, then studied. He delivers his ideas with some thought. TaoKeen, has hit a good point. About the chance of things.
Hamer12strings 1 year ago
Fantastic job, sir
zagat44 1 year ago
I liked what you had to say about The Deen Show. You make valid points, you're a smart bloke and admire your views, but after reading a few comments left and discussed... when you talk about the natural order of things, the way you describe it is true enough. But I believe you are stopping short of the greater quesiton, which is still why. Everything serves a purpose on this earth, there is nothing that does not(I dont think, so far), why would the human mind be any different?
TaoKeenan 1 year ago 4
@TaoKeenan things don't serve a purpose, purpose is a humanised conception of causality where effects are caused due to intention, rather than merely consequential of preceding conditions.
The truth is that mentally we turn events into a narrative with ourselves at the centre to make sense of data. We mistakenly assume there is purpose and intention behind events when there isn't any because of the way we associate concepts to learn things and see patterns that aren't there.
Kthonix 1 year ago
@Kthonix Sorry mate, I couldn't understand your accent as Im from the middle east
I agree with what youve said in 1 post regarding causation It may not be purposeful However I the point some theists are trying to drive here is this-the first event the commenced the chain of causation could not have occurred itself The "particle" starting the chain of causation could not have come into being ex nihilo This is a lengthy discussion Not something easily resolved through YT posts :P damn char limit:(
saifrizwan 1 year ago
@Kthonix you are irrational athiest because you say that we say God created everything and you deny it, but at the same time you say that nobody knows how God functions. Of course no one knows how God function. which of course reflects your stupidity. well, you are talking too much without providing any evidence at least we do, but you are too ignorant to realize it.
zfafdf 1 year ago
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@Kthonix you are irrational athiest because you say that we say God created everything and you deny it, but at the same time you say that nobody knows how God functions. Of course no one knows how God function. which of course reflects your stupidity. well, you are talking too much without providing any evidence at least we do, but you are too ignorant to realize it.
zfafdf 1 year ago
@Kthonix so are you proposing that you are purposeless?
nblhhsblh 1 month ago
actually you know what, i would like to apologise for my previous comment, i shouldnt have reacted the way i did and so therefore i'm sorry, i was reacting to something else and it just came out in my reply, i hope you didnt take it personally and i'm sorry for the offence caused
mizdaman2004 1 year ago
@mizdaman2004 Don't worry dude, if there's all the rubbish comments that don't bother me, your more reasonable response won't. :P
In answer to it, do you consider snowflakes, waterfalls or puddles or pebbles to be "accidents"? I mean, they're caused by unintentional natural processes, thing do just end up that way. "Accident" still implies something went wrong or contrary to some sort of plan, rather than things were a logical consequence of preceding environmental conditions.
Kthonix 1 year ago
@Kthonix I do not consider things that happen in this world to be an accident in the grande scheme of things, This is not to take away any responsibilities from human beings in regards to the actions that they commit as we are all responsible for the actions that we commit and recompense for these actions will be paid in the next life, everything has a reason of being in existence or non-existence
mizdaman2004 1 year ago
@mizdaman2004 unfortunately, none of that is testable, and it appears to be false, we ironically have no reason at all to believe prophets and kooks at their word. Everything has a reason? Why should I believe that? There's another life? Why should I believe that? Life appears to be finite, that's why we value it, and afterlife judgement appears to be a made up story.
Kthonix 1 year ago
@mizdaman2004 I would say aterlife judgement appears to be a tool of control, and no doubt it has done a damn good job throughout history.
TaoKeenan 1 year ago
I agree with you that the deen show shouldnt have steriotyped athiests in the way that they did, but what just came out of your mouth is the most biggest amount of bullshit i think i've ever heard, if evolution wasn't an accident (like you said) than you are suggesting that the process that started evolution was the opposite of an accident, basically it was 'willed' by a higher intelligent being
mizdaman2004 1 year ago
Wow you have no life...
Mauiboi789 1 year ago
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Mauiboi789 1 year ago
is that a male of female in the video??
it sounds male but looks female
H2som3a 1 year ago
CUT YOUR HAIR HIPPIE! You want proof in God? Take a seed of grain and plant it, if it harvests, THERE'S YOUR SIGN! I bet you like the smell of your own farts don't ya? Putz.
SupesTV 1 year ago
Hello, in response the worms in the eye thing; As we muslims know, this life is a test. we appreciate good health when one is sick, we appreciate life when there is death, and we appreciate food when there is hunger. and may i ask, what is your purpose in life?
LavenderAshes124 1 year ago
- nothing creates something (not logical) (thats what Atheists believe)
- something creates something (logical) (thats what Muslims believe)
kuwaitman 1 year ago
Tortoises all the way down!
If that position is true, then God was created, because otherwise nothing created him and he doesn't exist. If you're going to admit that things can just exist without being created, even phenomena that produce universes, there's no reason to call those things gods.
Kthonix 1 year ago
Bummer !
lieberat 1 year ago
Lol you look like a girl{In A wierd Accent}Jk- "Submitting to authority is a highly ideological problem". It depends on the authority. If evil is encouraged by the authority then submission can produce evil- and vice versa. You answered your own question. "You have no idea how God operates". Evolution Theory is True but it does not disprove God. The evidence used 2 explain the two must be seperate.
syhaile 2 years ago
@syhaile
agreed..
warrior4just 8 months ago
is it just getting drunk every weekend after the party? is it having sex with every single girl/boy you know? is it earning a lot of money and being rich? is it being a worldwide famous actor/actress/singer/model? or is there any at all?
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
If God created existence, by that logic something else would had to have created God. Was what God doing all that time before creating existence then, twiddling his thumbs, stewing it over in his head, or creating other failed existences first? It just doesn't add up! There has always been existence, it could not just come from nothing. Energy takes different forms but it doesn't just die out, so that means it doesn't have a beginning either.
murderousbastard83 2 years ago
@murderousbastard83
from that point of view it is also illogical to think that energy was eternal or something. You say energy takes different forms, okay, where does this damn energy come from then??
another thing.. You say theres no point of life unless you make it yourself, what if you don't? then you just eat, drink, sleep, then wake up, eat, drink, sleep etc etc and so on? And nothing but your bones remain? you just turn to another source of energy? don't get judged by your actions?
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
@PaulLivLover even the statement "God created the universe" is a statement that is ultimately about conservation of energy, from God's magical bullshit into the universe's physical matter and properties. That still wouldn't answer where energy comes from, even if it were true, energy is a conservative system we came up with to explain the behaviours of matter.
Kthonix 1 year ago
@Kthonix as I said if it takes other forms, transforms from one into another, then where is that initial energy? So there is got to be at least some amount of energy to transform into other forms and eventually create the universe. And this means it can't come out of nothing, it HAS TO BE CREATED!
PaulLivLover 1 year ago
@PaulLivLover why does it have to be created?
Kthonix 1 year ago
@Kthonix because how there's simply no other way.. How can something just be? You say it's changing all the time, okay, what was that in the beginning? How did it come to be?
PaulLivLover 1 year ago
@PaulLivLover why can there be no other way? Why must causality extend beyond time itself?
And it's actually not changing all the time, the net energy of the universe is conserved, i.e. 0.
Kthonix 1 year ago
@Kthonix @Kthonix because the concept of eternal time or energy is wrong. Look, If I go to a store to buy something, and there are 4 people before me, I have to wait these 4 people. If there are 40, I have to wait 40, but if there are ENDLESS NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT MEANS MY TURN IS NEVER GONNA COME, so is the universe and time and energy. If there are 5 years till I am going to be born, then I'll be born after 5 years, if there are 500, I'll be born after 100 years...
PaulLivLover 1 year ago
@PaulLivLover then the concept of eternal cause and effect is also wrong for the same reason, and some things just are.
Kthonix 1 year ago
@Kthonix eternal cause and effect is like it happens all the time, and cause and effect is not the same as time. Whenever there is a cause, there is an effect. So, in the concept of cause and effect, 'eternal' is more like 'universal' or 'happening all the time wothout exceptions', it's not the 'eternal' you use with time.
PaulLivLover 1 year ago
@PaulLivLover so you're saying causality just is, or that it is an effect of a cause? If so, how does it precede itself?
Kthonix 1 year ago
@Kthonix causality is an effect of one eternal cause with which the case is not the same as it is with time and energy, it is indeed eternal, and it is God. Otherwise, God wouldn't be any different that transformation of energy and it would need to be created and the logic would be incomplete, that is, something had to create God, and something had to create what has created God and so on. That is why there is only one eternal concept. And that is God.
PaulLivLover 1 year ago
@PaulLivLover why is that a god? Isn't an "eternal cause" just you accepting that causality cannot apply to everything?
Kthonix 1 year ago
@Kthonix No, I'm not just blindly saying its an eternal cause so it's God, no. It is because without something being an eternal cause, nothing would be able to be created, time does not just "start" somewhere out of nothing. But with something being eternal, something that can create other things, it's possible for the effect to come and be a cause to other effects
PaulLivLover 1 year ago
@Kthonix If you really want to learn further about it or if it just interests you, please read the word of God (aka Quran). You won't regret, believe me...
PaulLivLover 1 year ago
@Kthonix and there were a lot of people like you who were just interested in this, and were smart enough to use their brains and think, and those people read it, understood and followed the Truth
PaulLivLover 1 year ago
@Kthonix but if there are endless number of years, neither I nor you are gonna be born and nothing is going to exist, it is called simple logic
PaulLivLover 1 year ago
@murderousbastard83
then why don't you just go kill homeless people where no one sees you and take their dimes and cents and clothes and then sell them to get more money, enjoy your life? Why on earth the word "honesty" exists? why don't you just betray your friends when you no longer need them or have benefit when you betray them? why dont you torture helpless animals only in order to have fun? why dont you steal when no one sees you?
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
Honesty exists too because we care about our friends and the people around us. Not because of fear of God. No offense intended but that's a shallow way to justify honesty. That would mean it's not sincere. IMO.
murderousbastard83 2 years ago
@murderousbastard83 and what is the point of making purpose for your life if you gain nothing from it but lose a lot? why not just have fun all the time until you get dead and transformed to "nothing"?
did you EVER think of these things? didn't you ever wonder how this miracle came to be? isn't it too good to just be a miracle?
I believe you are atleast reasonable to some extent since you didnt offend believers (including me) or write "I don't believe ya, just get the f outta here".
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
I don't want to offend anybody that truly believes in something, in fact sometimes I envy you. I don't mind offending people who use faith for there agenda though. Like the Saudi Wahabis and Ahmedanijad.
murderousbastard83 2 years ago
@murderousbastard83
Well at least weve got something in common, cuz I hate that Ahmednijad bastard too, and I doubt he even properly practises religion.
and you say if you leave a legacy you won't turn to nothingness, allright, how will that be of benefit to you? Will you even know this if youre dead and theres nothing afterwards?
Plus, I AM 100% that he exists without a tiny bit of doubt.
Honestly, this conversation is really gettin interesting for me and I got just one question to you
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
@murderousbastard83 Please answer it in detail and with honesty, don't deceive.
Did you really conduct research on Quran? Did you really read that? If you did, did you read till the end of it? or threw away cuz you thought its gonna "corrupt" you? Which part was controversial or deceiving or not peaceful or intolerant or just wrong to you? Did you thought of it as nonsense? Also, did you watch a lotta TV and heard plenty of stupid things from media before reading this book?
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
I took courses in the study of Islam, Judaism and Christianity is college. Islam seemed like a reformed version of Christianity to me. Like Adam wasn't the first man but the first to communicate with God. Stuff that somehow made more sense in the scheme of things. Trust me if I had a religous bone in my body still, I would probably be Muslim over being Christian or Jewish or anything else but I just don't buy the God story anymore.
murderousbastard83 2 years ago
@murderousbastard83 in case you took courses, then its nothing for you to spend about a couple of weeks and read the actual book, becuz your courses were by humans and they might have done something that you didnt like or courses might not have been perfect, so please just read the book, just once, and youll know why im killin myself here trying to convince you :) please, just read it, its much more than courses, preaching and evrything else, youll get the point once youve read it
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
@murderousbastard83 Im regardin you as a person with senses and enough logic to understand. This book sure wouldn hurt you or waste your time, so why wouldn you just try it? and dont you even wonder whats written there?
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
Sure Im curious and when I get the chance maybe I will read it in its entirety. But all religion just sounds like a pitch at some point to me. There is always some angle involved.
murderousbastard83 2 years ago
@murderousbastard83 Well, I really appreciate it that you confessed theres some logic in that and youre likely to read that. Thats really good, a lot of people bitch about things they don't even know a lil bit of, but you don't. So please read that, and unlike any other book youve read, youll see no flaws or controversies in this book, there are stores that give free Quran to non muslims like you to understand the message of God, I can give you its number if you want
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
One thing I do have a beef with with Islam i must admit though is that it seems in order to be a good Muslim, you have to understand Arabic. Isn't that a little Arabcentric? I didn't have to learn Greek or Latin in order to understand the Bible correctly. Please clarify this for me. Plus I'm curious what country you hale from too. Im from Notheast in the USA.
murderousbastard83 2 years ago
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@murderousbastard83
"One thing I do have a beef with with Islam i must admit though is that it seems in order to be a good Muslim, you have to understand Arabic. Isn't that a little Arabcentric?"
By Allah, I assure you theres nothing like that! You can read Quran in every language, theres nohing wrong with it. For instance, the vast majority of Muslims arent even arabs or dont know arabic at all (including me).
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
@murderousbastard83 Theres one quotation from our Prophet PBUH, its like, Allah doesnt care whether your black or white, you look good or bad, your arab or israeli or european or asian (Prophet's pbuh wife was israeli for example). Ive never read Quran in arabic cuz I dont know it, and you also dont have to know it in order to read Quran. You see, your knowledge about it isnt completely true and im sure theres even more and serious flaws in what youve been informed
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
@murderousbastard83 Well, as for what country I live in.. Its a country that youve not even heard of Im sure. Its Azerbaijan, a country in the eastern europe (it has borders with russia, turkey, iran, caspian sea, georgia etc)
about people there: lol, dont think they are arabs, most of them are white with pale skin and culture is not islamic at all! this ones for sure. I mean if you were a true muslim living in here, youd probably face more difficulties than in any other non muslim country
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
I know where Azerbaijan is, it's a former Sovier block near Uzbekistan. I just notice that people of the Muslim faith, even Eddie and Josh are always quoting scripture in Arabic so I assumed it was some kind of requirement.
murderousbastard83 2 years ago
Youre partly right, it is former USSR country, as you see, as the former communist country we had lots of atheists too. But youre not right about uzbekistan, uzbekistan is in central asia, and our countries are divided by a huge lake (caspian sea) and besides theres a distance of thouthands of miles between us.
"even Eddie and Josh are always quoting scripture in Arabic so I assumed it was some kind of requirement. "
btw wow you know them? thats really cool :) you watch the show?
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
still I remind you, its not a requirement at all
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
@murderousbastard83 although majority of people are "muslim", at least by name.
so it is not really a muslim country
and i dont like it here at all, so im moving to US after a couple of years, and most probably I'll leave here this september and go to either canada or europe, then after graduating university, ill move to USA
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
@murderousbastard83 also, God appreciates converts more than inborn muslims, bucause they have put much more efforts than inborn ones for the right way
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
@murderousbastard83 oh I forgot to tell, you don't even have to change your name unless it has a meaning against islam. all the common names are okay (e g John, George, Paul, Josh, Jane, Liz, Linda etc)
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
What kind of names have meanings against Islam?
murderousbastard83 2 years ago
erm, theyre not many, like the ones that has meaning of worshipping certain idols, places people etc, also bringing the person (the carrier of the name) equal to God, names of pharaohs and so on
But I don't know specificly which english names are prohibited, I only know a few arabic ones, btw whats your name?
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
@murderousbastard83 That means you can think at least
So why dont you use this ability to further benefit and understanding of yours?
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
I think about these things all the time, and it just isn't in my nature to do terrible things like that. I have at least some respect for life and other people as well as distain for justice. I joke around about wanting to kill people sometimes but I don't have it in me. To answer your question: If you want to leave a legacy and be important in other peoples lives then you don't just transform into nothingness.
murderousbastard83 2 years ago
and one more thing, do you really think this world is run by nothing? by itself? and if the people who have power or are stronger than you opress or do harm to you, are they gonna be unpunished? or if someone does ggod things, are they gonna be unrewarded?
whats the purpose of life then? why would you do charity actions? why wouldnt you kill anyone at every single opportunity to gain take something from them knowing nothings gonna happen to you in return? whats the purpose of life?
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
These are definitely important questions that many people ask, and from what I see in the world... yes there is no conductor running the locomotive of existence. Life is just too random for there to be, and there is no purpose to life unless you make one yourself. Life itslelf is the true miracle. I wouldn't expect it to make sense when you are use to the monotheistic explanation, but think of it this way... logic would dictate that something could not come out of nothing.
murderousbastard83 2 years ago
But yes you should enjoy your life absolutely and not live it for a God that you aren't 100% on existing. I don't wanna waste it that way for sure.
murderousbastard83 2 years ago
Yeah, this world is ruled by nature, not an intelligent, intentional entity. There's nothing in life that adds up to purpose or meaning; such things are how we percieve patterns, even ones that aren't there, like faces in clouds or the moon.
Why do you do charitable actions? To help. To feel better about yourself. The effects are why we should do things.
There is no purpose to life, but there are ways to live it that come pretty close.
Kthonix 2 years ago
@Kthonix yeah, then you die, leave only your bones, be forgotten, not judged by your actions, and just become a "zero", nothing, air, or soil...
whod care of life then? whod think of other people? "To help. To feel better about yourself"?
why? why would you feel better about yourself if you gain nothing but lose your money or property? You couldve used that money for yourself instead, couldnt ya?
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
Why? Because that's all I have. That's all you have too, despite your desire for it to be otherwise. See Epicurus' writings for why unrestrained self-interest never leads to happiness.
Kthonix 2 years ago
@Kthonix moreover, how can you be that sure that theres no God? who told you that? you just "thought" of it with your 'logic', huh?
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
Who told me that? I came to that conclusion when nobody who believed could show me any real difference between their god and an imaginary friend.
Kthonix 2 years ago
@Kthonix read the book and youll be shown that difference, actually, thats why hundreds of atheist people from US, Canada, Europe, Australia are turning to Islam.
Besides, that you havent been informed doesnt mean God doesnt exist, its part of prejudice
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
I have been informed, it's just a crap concept hotch-potched together by primitives who were scared by storms and earthquakes. Nowadays you're no different, just frightened conspiracy theorists with empty promises about a life beyond death and an imaginary friend.
I don't care if people are converting; people are deconverting too, and no doubt killed for apostasy by your charming co-religionists. The popularity of an idea has no impact on how true it is. Your god is imaginary.
Kthonix 2 years ago
@Kthonix dammit did you even read that?? If you think youre sensible, then why are you so radical? Why do you ignore other possibilities? Cuz you are brainwashed, either by others, or by yourself
You only have right to talk about it once you read it.
And it wouldnt take more than 2 weeks for an extremely "sensible and intelligent" person like you, so you better go read it
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
I've examined the other possibilities and found them to be mostly mystical turd that attempt to obfuscate truth and fight against reason and empiricism at every turn. I'm not even especially radical in these thoughts.
As long as there's been religion people have come to the exact same conclusion I have, while you guys end up believing in magical crabs and child molesting prophets.
P.S. If you think you have amazing evidence for God, it's up to you to argue it, not me.
Kthonix 2 years ago
@Kthonix allright, I did all I could, it's my duty to inform you, not guide you. So it's up to you what to do next, but I still hope you'll regret soon becuz if you don't, afterwards you'll bitterly regret that you didn't regret when you could.
So, I wish you'll understand what I said someday
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
And you'll work out you're a tremendous hypocrite douchebag that's been following a lie one day. When you're a bit more mature. ;)
Kthonix 2 years ago
@Kthonix em, I just came to another conclusion thanks to you.. well by now, I was thinkin that I could convince everyone, be they clever or not, and I kept believing in that, cuz that always worked. But now I realized that if that worked with everyone, then the world would be heaven and there would be peace and love everywhere. But its impossible, because thats really too good to be true, so I understand the existence of people like you, its a burden for us, believers
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
@Kthonix but I still don't mean to say youre completely evil, cuz theres always a bit of good in everyone, so I believe itll increase someday after YOU get mature, I am mature enough
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
Say what you want about his hair being affeminite or whatever but he makes many going points.
murderousbastard83 2 years ago
Well, the response to you:
Im not about his hair or anything. And he IS making strong point for the people like him and you. I dont think Im gonna add any comments on this video anymore unless i do feel like doing that.
but one thing: just please read that book which you may think is wrong, you know what Im talkin about. Just read it only once. Its not gonna take any longer than a coupla weeks, and then youll regret what youre sayin now. If you have a bit of logic and tolerance, if you are
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
reasonable enough to listen others just to check if theyre wright or wrong, just take that book, theres lotsa em free for people like you to let the likes of you know about the truth, read it with open mind and logic, if that doesnt make sense, then leave it, but I know it won't and you won't regret for the couple of weeks or days you spent. I hope I was clear enough
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
Listen I know that Muslims can boast about using more logic than Christians and Jews and all the rest, which is mostly true, and I have done research on the Qu'ran but there is no force in this world other than God's hand coming out of the sky to bitchslap me that could convince me he exists. Lol. I hope you weren't too offended by my comment.
murderousbastard83 2 years ago
okay, then theres nothing I can do for you.
But I highly doubt that you did proper research on Quran or even read it with an open (in its full meaning) mind. Because if you did, youd have been a muslim a long time by now
But I still hope therell be some source to indeed bitchslap you about His existence, and i dont do it for myself, I wouldn gain anything from it, I hope it for you, even tho I dun even know you, may He guide you
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
I wish he was real, cause I could use his help lately. But I'll tell ya that if he is real he's been doing a lousy job and I think he should be voted out of office. LOL.
murderousbastard83 2 years ago
Oh, please. go get a life, If you dun like it, why dont you just save your "precious time" not doing things like that?.. You look ignorant, and sure you are. So I only hope youll undestand the life someday, but theres so little hope for ones like you
btw stupid accent you got
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
for sure he is stupid just go read the quarn you'll see for now don't waste our time for your shit,crazy idiot
birame2008 2 years ago
yawn.
TheNuraida 2 years ago
You know nothing dude, even about the thing Between your legs, I don't think u got one also.
user6016140 2 years ago
hahaha... you do look like a girl. im not saying it for the long hair, but because you do have a feminine look appart from the hair lenghth.
Quetzalcuetlachtli 2 years ago
Your remarks that you make in your video hurts. My human nature tell me say or do something to hurt you back. But Islam teaches us to do the opposite. This is one of many reasons why i am a muslim.
irfanfarid 2 years ago
my friend this life is gaurenteed to come to an end. Religions warning us of judgement day. If religion is wrong then religious people lived humble lives and became dust. But if they are right then what. You have to question yourself for your own sake.
Even if a retarded person screams fire a smart person will look in every corner of the building to make sure he is not right even if there is a very small chance the retarded person actually saw a fire and not emagined it.
irfanfarid 2 years ago
geez your hair is so beautiful...
cirqueraven91 2 years ago
lol " either learn about it or stop talking about it" nicely said.. apply this to ur self and u will see the real change in u.. but its good that u think..
onlyafgs 2 years ago
male or female or hermaphrodite
hen8167 2 years ago
lool a boy with brunette hair....and blonde high lights...WOOOOOOOW
runefenix06 2 years ago
i aint sure if u r a man or woman. but u r a stupid for sure
shahinY2K 2 years ago
dam girl you need some make- up and a perm.
truthreal1 2 years ago
YOu are now trying to prove what you think rationally, irrationally, logically or what ever. But the day when you will die I mean physically, morally, ethically and really then you will know what was all that about.
Honolo12345 2 years ago
No, I won't and nor will you. When you die you lose awareness. Awareness comes from the senses that won't exist when you're dead.
Kthonix 2 years ago
how do you know when you die you lose awareness?. what if your soul experience all the five senses but your body is dead. Just like sleeping. You should look into some thing call Sleep Paralysis. its really scary experience. I believe sleeping is lesser death.
wadanaay 2 years ago
Name one sense you don't need a body or brain for.
Kthonix 2 years ago
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@Kthonix "
Name one sense you don't need a body or brain for."
well, lets assume theres none. what would that mean?
"See Epicurus' writings for why unrestrained self-interest never leads to happiness. " Why do you perceive it as 100% true or important? isnt he a human just like us? cant he be wrong? and what do you mean by "unrestrained self-interest"? religion?
PaulLivLover 2 years ago
lol
leotakesleo 2 years ago
Great video. Funny that in every comment your hair is critiqued by these brainwashed idiots.
xwrathchild09 2 years ago
Why's that a bad thing?
Kthonix 2 years ago
bro the long hair sure clogged up your brain.
yasthegreatest 2 years ago
Die in a fire, you dumbfuck.
Kthonix 2 years ago
If tomorrow the world was discovered to be flat, muslims would use that as proof the quran was true. If the day after that the world was discovered the world was actually round and the previous data was wrong, they would use that as proof the quran was true.
People eisegete their own out-of-context meanings into the poetic text afterwards. The Quran does not have scientific theories in it.
Kthonix 2 years ago
No, it's not. Science doesn't work like that. Science works on evidence and logic, which religions like Islam do not have. Your god is indistinguishable from an imaginary friend going by scientific principles. Whoever Keith Moore is I have no idea, but islam is still false and harmful, whoever he is.
Kthonix 2 years ago
muslims are opposed to the theory of man coming from apes. There is clear evidence within many species of alteration and changes within the species. However, there is no concrete evidence to support a cross over in development from one type to another, such as reptiles turning into birds or alligators turning into cows.Allah tells us He is Al-Bari, (The Shaper or Evolver) but once again, this does not mean He has a need to bring about each individual life form all from one kind.
elipse135 2 years ago
This is factually incorrect, there are multiple species known that have traits from say, dinosaurs and birds or amphibians and reptiles or fish and amphibians, some of them are even alive today showing that it's still going on.
Also, you wouldn't expect one modern species to turn into another. Think about modern arabic and hebrew. Modern Hebrew won't evolve into arabic or vice versa, but they're from the same original language.
Kthonix 2 years ago
its not submission to authority its submission to your creator.
the ONE who created you. its far superior.
there is alot of scientific facts in the quran, ISLAM tells us that when you look at nature and the creation and the univerese you will come to understand god. im a muslim i dont oppose the big bang or science but i oppose evolution.
muslimah871 2 years ago
No, it isn't. It's the submission to a deity's Earthly authorities and material interests. If it were real, you wouldn't need a religion to tell you what to do, you could talk to it directly.
There are no scientific facts in the quran, there is poetic language that apologists take out of context. If you oppose evolution, you oppose empirical reality, you hate truth and you are an enemy of it.
Kthonix 2 years ago
dude islam doesnt oppose evolution,
The Quran has set a precedent 14 centuries before modern science, explaining in simple and direct terms about his "creation" of animals and their various functions and then assures us it is He who has the Power over everything. This statement includes the fact Allah can if He Wills, reshape and alter his creation as He Chooses.
elipse135 2 years ago
God isn't real, your beliefs are quaint but insane. Animals were not created. They evolved through natural processes. Your magical desert genie is not real, and believing it actually made anything is gullible, not respectable.
Kthonix 2 years ago
whats ur problem goldy locks, i think ur dense 4 believin everythin came out of nothin, but despite that, i dont go insulting u or ur believes, u talk about shit u dont even understand, ur close minded and ignorant. athiesm really sucks the moral fibre out of people.how the fck do u know god doesnt excist , when u can prove this i will become an athiest no questions asked if u cant, keep believing our planet is in the perfect spot to support live just by chance and i will believe in god.
elipse135 2 years ago
Pray to God asking him what my full name is and he'll tell you no more than your imaginary friend, because that is all he is.
Kthonix 2 years ago
Am not interested in ur name, why should I care what ur parents called u? Ignorant as well as arrogant I can see. I still dont have the prove I asked for and god is as imaginary as u r, what is it to u anyway, if i want to believe in what u deem imaginary, why do u care. dont u have anything better to do then bash other ppls believes just cause they choose to believe something different to u. live and let live, princess.
elipse135 2 years ago
So go censor the quran, take out all the bits that say "but allah" from the parts that say "there is no God" and then it won't be bashing my beliefs. Ohhhh, but we're supposed to do this one-sidedly aren't we? We're supposed to put preference to your bullshit. Fuck that. Freedom is the ability to say 2+2 = 4 and that God ain't real. Deal with it, preferably by not blowing yourself up or with gang violence.
Kthonix 2 years ago
What the hell r u taking about. nobody is denying u freedom and nobody u is denying u the ability to express ur believe, the problem is ur denying other ppl freedom by posting shit like this. to u if a person believes in god there is something wrong with them, dont u see how intolerant and close minded that is, u want freedom while denying other ppl the same right,
elipse135 2 years ago