I tried this (I'm a musician and pianist) and this is practically impossible, because you lose track of which note you're supposed to sing, as it's completely malfunctioning with the harmonies. Big props to you, Tim ^^
@dorkasaur98 Well, I just found the chords online, I think they are bB, A or A7 Dm, E diminished, Gm, and F. (And C7 just at the last part) just play the chords and find out where they fit using for instance this vid, or just search for the chords ^^
@rubbishrider861 Everyone's entitled to an opinion mate, I like Tim Minchin, I just happen to prefer Bill Bailey is all. I'm not here to slag off Tim in any way.
@rubbishrider861 honestly, I'm not trolling. I did just say that I like Tim Minchin, and for the record I think this song is brilliant, which is why I watched it. Just because I prefer one thing doesn't mean I'm suddenly not allowed to watch another. My original comment was a reply to someone who had brought up the fact Bill had nothing to do with the proms, I wasn't trolling, just stating an opinion.
Can someone tell me the exact reson why it's funny? Because it's him, because he's singing the two keys at the same time, because F major is the relative major of D minor, something like that?
@SharpsConnor F is the relative Major of Dm, yes. That's not really the point though. What's funny is that he's singing a semitone (F#) higher than what he's playing in (F). The reason (if you listen to more of him) for this, you'll find, is that his mother told him to stop swearing so much, so he researched what people did before swearing was as colloquial as it is today. This is the product of that research.
Am I the only one who actually doesn't give a crap about the key matter, but more the way the orchestra ruin it by going WAY to fast in the second verse... stupid conductor :/
@xerxes52 really? you have no sense of humour. you don't know how stupid it is when someone sings so out of tune. you havent seen all those talent show auditions like the x factor, where all the sh*t ppl go on thinking they're amazing. its funny because of the sound and those innocent faces he makes, but then if you think a brand new comedy prom is a great music festival, you are really retarded.
People don't realise how difficult it is to sing out of tune on purpose, and at specific times. Massive love for this, even my Mum was amazed and she's not a big fan of Musical Comedy, etc. :')
I really can't quite make quite who is arguing which point between as I am not used to leaving comments on here so I shall not direct this at any of you but merely point out that at least you don't have to be able to spell to be a PROFESSIONAL singer and a tierce de Picardie doesn't even come into it really does it?!? And as for true musicians as Concert level pianist, music teacher and music therapist I should like to think of myself as somewhat "professional" and I pissed my pants! Encore!
@jarrmite if you bothered to read the comment by @niezabijaj you'd see that she/he said a Tierce de Picardie occurs in *the vocal part only*! Minchin is playing a D minor chord, but singing the major third, thus creating the slightly clashing note of the F natural against the F# .... so yes.... a Tierce de Picardie does come into it :)
A real musician won't laugh at this...but they would point out the fact that his piece is in D minor, with a tierce de picardie occurring only in the vocalist's part.
On another note, what the hell is THIS doing at the proms?!
@niezabijaj this is in the proms because it is light hearted musical entertainment which is able to reach out to a wider audience than 'boring' classical music (i'm not saying classical music is boring btw). I think its hilarious and i'm a musician.
Stuff like this always frustrates the heck out of me. I LOVE music, listen to it pretty much all day every day. Yet, I cannot play an instrument for my life, and I wouldn't have been able to tell he was singing/playing in 2 different keys if my life depended on it. How the heck can you even tell, it just sounds like singing and playing to me.
@livandjazz Erm, he's not. D minor was just one of the brief modulations. It's in F major, the relative major to D minor?!? Go three semitones up from D and you'll find F. Res ipsa loquitur.
There is a problem here. Mr Minchin sings in Dmin NOT Fmaj. This is the relative minor key to F. Thus when he sings about singing the note of F#, there is a clash of a semitone (F against F#) and there is the fun. Sadly the mixing of the audio at this point create an illusion that he is singing in D major with an F# (the maj 3rd of Dmaj), thus cancelling out the semitone clash, and sounds OK! He gets it right at the end with a modulation to F and sings F# but goes up to G thus creating an Fmaj9
enjoyed this. it does highlight the 'capo' problem all musos have. My particular remedy is to play in DADGAD (D major) and write the melody to suit my own range. I really think if he was forced to sing in F rather than F Sharp then the vocal difference is negligible. However as a bass singer its sometimes bloody difficult to sing any popular song in its original key
THAT WAS AMAZING! F sharp with a whole orchestra :') I just cryed a little bit xD The arrangement was amazing - such talented musicians xD I'll do anything to be a trumpeter in an arrangement of F sharp! PHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :')
@ismcb4sc F sharp is the key he prefers to sing in whereas F is the key he prefers to play in. they are not relative in anyway whatsoever, despite people claiming that he played in D minor.
@asmcdonald84 he is a musical genius who is trying to do something that no one has attempted before, singing in a different key from what he's playing knowingly. It's uncomfortable because he has to be careful not to sing in the key he's playing in.
1:40 Who drinks water at the culmination, the most tense moment!
sovata 1 day ago
They should have Josh Groban on this show singing celebrity tweets!
OrioleBeagle 5 days ago
the orchestra is impressive, but i prefer my minchin with just the piano :)
CrissCross407 1 month ago
awkward....d minor not f major
posiethompson 1 month ago in playlist bbc comedy proms
@posiethompson Meaning, Dminor is the relative minor to F major.
BrandonSpendlove 1 month ago
@posiethompson chord's Dm wich is D. F and A, he's singing the major 3rd, F#.
He does that for best results :P
blutsklave 3 weeks ago
@posiethompson probably knows more about piano than you pal
mancunianhardcore 3 weeks ago
He gets F# perfectly the first few times, but his climactic 'F#' is more like G. That being said, Mr Minchin is a flippin' genius...
iwanwh 1 month ago 2
That is fucking spectacular, considering how many instruments are behind him...
XtractionProcess 1 month ago
VERY VERY good looking steinway and sons Model D...used to have one :(
eltonjohnfan100 1 month ago
Brilliant
nikwik2 1 month ago
Tim minchin is just amazing
DrTran06 1 month ago
Im sure its been said.. but if this was in F major the bum note in the chorus is A, not F sharp
mensamoo 1 month ago
as a musician, is it just me that dies a little inside when people say F major and D Minor are the same thing?
But on another note, was one of the highlights of the comedy prom and tim minchin is funny no matter what key he's singing in. XD
TheMusicalMaestro123 2 months ago 3
@TheMusicalMaestro123 I'm sure what they mean is that F major and D minor are based on the same scale
FutureAbe 1 month ago
What a Genius!
anidiotcalledgregg 2 months ago 14
Could we please have Tim Minchin's introduction song?
Asenceana 2 months ago 5
I'm not a musician or a professional singer but it sounds so wrong haha and i can see how it will be near imposable! He is a special talent
sekirk 2 months ago 2
I tried this (I'm a musician and pianist) and this is practically impossible, because you lose track of which note you're supposed to sing, as it's completely malfunctioning with the harmonies. Big props to you, Tim ^^
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roboflobobob 1 month ago
@lovetohate12 do you happen to have the sheet music?! (or have written your own?)
dorkasaur98 1 week ago
@dorkasaur98 Well, I just found the chords online, I think they are bB, A or A7 Dm, E diminished, Gm, and F. (And C7 just at the last part) just play the chords and find out where they fit using for instance this vid, or just search for the chords ^^
lovetohate12 1 week ago
@alchimistenz Yes, on purpose. Only the chorus is supposed to be out of tune.
ianokamotochannel 3 months ago
I wanted to shove my tevision in a blender when Bill Bailey wasn't hosting the comedy proms. - Let alone not even being on it.
owen281194 3 months ago
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@owen281194 Bill Bailey > Tim Minchin :D
sjkopite94 3 months ago
@sjkopite94 AGREED
owen281194 3 months ago
@sjkopite94 Lies.
Boredom2989 2 months ago
@sjkopite94 no in a million years mate:P
rubbishrider861 2 months ago
@rubbishrider861 Everyone's entitled to an opinion mate, I like Tim Minchin, I just happen to prefer Bill Bailey is all. I'm not here to slag off Tim in any way.
sjkopite94 2 months ago
@sjkopite94 not really sure why you would be here in the first place if you prefer bill bailey, ur jst trolling really...
rubbishrider861 2 months ago
@rubbishrider861 honestly, I'm not trolling. I did just say that I like Tim Minchin, and for the record I think this song is brilliant, which is why I watched it. Just because I prefer one thing doesn't mean I'm suddenly not allowed to watch another. My original comment was a reply to someone who had brought up the fact Bill had nothing to do with the proms, I wasn't trolling, just stating an opinion.
sjkopite94 2 months ago
@sjkopite94 ok..
rubbishrider861 2 months ago
OK, but am I the only one who noticed he's not *actually singing out of tune* for 98% of the song?
alchimistenz 3 months ago 2
good for you tim
D0Msmagic 3 months ago
Genius.
DJDunsie 3 months ago
I LOVE Tim <3 If he were 10 years younger i would have made him my boyfriend!
gretamagik 3 months ago
This song must be difficult enough normally, but with an entire orchestra in the background it's damn near impossible. The man is a genius.
kairakia 3 months ago 3
A tie...? Is Tim not feeling well?
nagatzul 3 months ago
Ironically the last note he sings is a G :P
ADFROMAN 3 months ago 3
@ADFROMAN it's an F# but it's a tiny bit sharp so it sounds close to a G
JeLoUs2 3 months ago
@JeLoUs2 True. AND who cares, sound horrible anyway! And @ADFROMAN U try sing off key live. Is not easy at all....
fr36r1k 3 months ago
@ADFROMAN i hear an f
fuckedupguy3 3 months ago
i swear this was cut from the original broadcast (love the song though :D)
tim minchin's awesome <3
thelittleewelamb 4 months ago
Haha the apalled reaction of the audience xD
Boogieforme 4 months ago 3
This man is simply... BRILLIANT!!
kootenaylad 4 months ago
Can someone tell me the exact reson why it's funny? Because it's him, because he's singing the two keys at the same time, because F major is the relative major of D minor, something like that?
SharpsConnor 4 months ago
@SharpsConnor because it's friggin' awesome!
mentalguitarisist 4 months ago
@SharpsConnor F is the relative Major of Dm, yes. That's not really the point though. What's funny is that he's singing a semitone (F#) higher than what he's playing in (F). The reason (if you listen to more of him) for this, you'll find, is that his mother told him to stop swearing so much, so he researched what people did before swearing was as colloquial as it is today. This is the product of that research.
LorgonJortle 4 months ago
@SharpsConnor Mainly, it sounds horrible. But deliberately.
PatrickAureus 3 months ago in playlist PatrickAureus's favorites
Uh, I know music, I didn't care because the song was funny and well composed. Also yeah, the Proms is about reaching out to ALL the people.
EnglishGavz 4 months ago
Am I the only one who actually doesn't give a crap about the key matter, but more the way the orchestra ruin it by going WAY to fast in the second verse... stupid conductor :/
shadow9t6 4 months ago 2
@shadow9t6 Nice find. Didn't notice that.
Look at that hateful look he gives to him.
I guess it's kind of Tim's fault, he plays a bit slow at 1:15
GameOfYears 3 months ago 2
@GameOfYears Indeed he does. I actually prefer the accordion version of the song anyway ;)
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yes! D minor, , u deserve a Steinway & Sons ! So funny!!
simplerachel11 4 months ago
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simplerachel11 4 months ago
who was it the person who was the human beatboxer?
XxOwnDXuk 4 months ago
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What is this idiot doing at a great music festival?
xerxes52 4 months ago
@xerxes52 its a comedy prom you retard
TheBigLittleM 4 months ago in playlist BBC Comedy Prom
@TheBigLittleM If you think that's funny, then you're the retard
xerxes52 4 months ago
@xerxes52 really? you have no sense of humour. you don't know how stupid it is when someone sings so out of tune. you havent seen all those talent show auditions like the x factor, where all the sh*t ppl go on thinking they're amazing. its funny because of the sound and those innocent faces he makes, but then if you think a brand new comedy prom is a great music festival, you are really retarded.
TheBigLittleM 4 months ago
@xerxes52 Of course you always sing out of key...
Vetthaner 4 months ago
This sounds horribly out of tune. Genius!
Opusjustitiaepax 4 months ago in playlist Comedy Proms 2011
I hope you people don't talk like this to your imaginary girlfriends/boyfriends.
CrocodileRocker 4 months ago
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CrocodileRocker 4 months ago
HURR DURR I DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MUSIC OR ANY OTHER FIELD AND FEEL THREATENED BY PEOPLE WHO DO
LET ME DEMAND THAT OTHER PEOPLE ALL CONFORM TO WHAT I WANT TO BE THE CASE
You stop it.
BethanyCabe 4 months ago in playlist Comedy Proms 2011 4
HURR DURR IM A MUSIC GEEK
LET ME SPOUT UNNECESSARY KNOWLEDGE ON A YOUTUBE VIDEO
stop it
jonting91 4 months ago
I know my music as well as anyone but have you lot any idea what a bunch of total anaraks you sound?
mlmpro1059 4 months ago 2
Watching this makes me feel like such a music geek but I totally love it!!!!! :L
HillDaisyProductions 5 months ago
D minor is the relative minor of F major. Just saying.
Matteroy 5 months ago 62
@Matteroy Congratulations, you understood why it was funny.
carfanaticphil 4 months ago 3
@carfanaticphil It was actually aimed at the comments with everyone saying 'he's not playing in F major; it's D minor' blah blah blah.
Matteroy 4 months ago
@Matteroy and F (E# in the scale) is with the key of both Fmaj and Dmin
Killerzac 3 months ago
But he's playing in D minor, not F major. Lying fucker
WrestleTheDecibel 5 months ago
.....O.O....................................
Taidgh17 5 months ago
People don't realise how difficult it is to sing out of tune on purpose, and at specific times. Massive love for this, even my Mum was amazed and she's not a big fan of Musical Comedy, etc. :')
doojamaflick 5 months ago 91
I really can't quite make quite who is arguing which point between as I am not used to leaving comments on here so I shall not direct this at any of you but merely point out that at least you don't have to be able to spell to be a PROFESSIONAL singer and a tierce de Picardie doesn't even come into it really does it?!? And as for true musicians as Concert level pianist, music teacher and music therapist I should like to think of myself as somewhat "professional" and I pissed my pants! Encore!
jarrmite 5 months ago
@jarrmite if you bothered to read the comment by @niezabijaj you'd see that she/he said a Tierce de Picardie occurs in *the vocal part only*! Minchin is playing a D minor chord, but singing the major third, thus creating the slightly clashing note of the F natural against the F# .... so yes.... a Tierce de Picardie does come into it :)
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I hate HATE his singing voice.
SethHesio 5 months ago
@MIKE1238663 yes i know thats what i was talking about you dont need to spell it out for me im a proffesional singer
livandjazz 5 months ago
A real musician won't laugh at this...but they would point out the fact that his piece is in D minor, with a tierce de picardie occurring only in the vocalist's part.
On another note, what the hell is THIS doing at the proms?!
niezabijaj 5 months ago
@niezabijaj Indeedy do. Tierce de picardie? You're not from the U.S., are you? :P
Arcadeburner1 5 months ago
@niezabijaj I agree, but it is the new "comedy proms" not the actual proms
Leafytreefrog 5 months ago
@niezabijaj this is in the proms because it is light hearted musical entertainment which is able to reach out to a wider audience than 'boring' classical music (i'm not saying classical music is boring btw). I think its hilarious and i'm a musician.
angrychipmunk99 4 months ago 2
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niezabijaj 5 months ago
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niezabijaj 5 months ago
Stuff like this always frustrates the heck out of me. I LOVE music, listen to it pretty much all day every day. Yet, I cannot play an instrument for my life, and I wouldn't have been able to tell he was singing/playing in 2 different keys if my life depended on it. How the heck can you even tell, it just sounds like singing and playing to me.
mikeandroe 5 months ago
@mikeandroe When he sings sharp the note should sound a bit jarring like it doesnt belong there.
jobloe3393 5 months ago
@jobloe3393 lol that's the point. F# is a half step from F.
Arcadeburner1 5 months ago
@mikeandroe It's the tone. from the sound of what you said, seems like you're tone deaf :/
3darkn1t 1 month ago
It has so much more effect when he does it with his accordion.
littlechrist 5 months ago
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a dude with make up?? FUCK OFF!
Jabulon88 5 months ago
Hard core this is legendary :D xx
sophie96299 5 months ago
Can someone please upload Lullaby from the Proms? it was here but BBC took it off...Thanks!!!
choquera 5 months ago
just noticed on the address bar at the end mh_lolz, lol :D
itsinjakesblood 5 months ago in playlist Liked
That must have been really hard to do. Singing and playing in 2 different keys. Wow!!!
tabbyroxs04 5 months ago
it doesnt matter that he is singing in D minor he is just epic :)
livandjazz 5 months ago
@livandjazz Erm, he's not. D minor was just one of the brief modulations. It's in F major, the relative major to D minor?!? Go three semitones up from D and you'll find F. Res ipsa loquitur.
MIKE1238673 5 months ago
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Wrong! Check again.
niezabijaj 5 months ago 3
Ahh, Tim Minchin. The hipster's Bill Bailey.
Pygmalleon 5 months ago 2
EPIC!
segjulie 5 months ago
There is a problem here. Mr Minchin sings in Dmin NOT Fmaj. This is the relative minor key to F. Thus when he sings about singing the note of F#, there is a clash of a semitone (F against F#) and there is the fun. Sadly the mixing of the audio at this point create an illusion that he is singing in D major with an F# (the maj 3rd of Dmaj), thus cancelling out the semitone clash, and sounds OK! He gets it right at the end with a modulation to F and sings F# but goes up to G thus creating an Fmaj9
DaveyL1954 5 months ago 3
the only musician who actually excites these days, stand head & shoulders above just about everyone else, fantastic
kainejoyes 5 months ago
He must be a genius... He's epic XD
minichapify 5 months ago
that is honestly more difficult to do than its made out to be. out.fucking.standing
mas5003 5 months ago
The funny how good a singer has to be to sing badly.
MrBlip94 5 months ago 2
WWWWOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
shionamcmillan675 5 months ago
The only time when you can get applause for singing out of key. Brilliant.
Aceronian 5 months ago 104
@Aceronian He isn't singing out of key. :p he's singing two keys at the same time. :)
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123456yum123456 4 months ago
never heard of Jedward, then?
123456yum123456 4 months ago 2
@123456yum123456 A very good point, I never even considered that they would be popular enough to have people go to their 'gigs'.
Aceronian 3 months ago
Love Tim Minchin!
RossTCGE 5 months ago
Could someone upload 'prejudice' at the proms please, I can't find it anywhere!!! Any suggestions? Thank you please :)
Uraken74 5 months ago
@Uraken74 I really want to see it! and i want to see him doing the Dr Who theme tune at the end!!! If you find it anywhere PLEEEASE let me know XD
HauntsMeLikeACurse 5 months ago
This is probably my favourite thing ever.
LoveToSingLoudly 5 months ago
Genius!!
Mrseabob07 5 months ago
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Love Tim Minchin!
RossTCGE 5 months ago
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RossTCGE 5 months ago
@RossTCGE Can't tell if trolling or just stupid... It's Minchin, dear.
bananachip33 5 months ago
@bananachip33 Yeah, I'm sorry. I forgot.
RossTCGE 5 months ago
haha brilliant!!!!
JuliusCowdrey1 5 months ago
He nearly killed me just now by making me choke on a piece of cheese from laughing. Luckily, his plans were thwarted by gag reflex. lol
Wimpoman 5 months ago
lolololol
Wimpoman 5 months ago
enjoyed this. it does highlight the 'capo' problem all musos have. My particular remedy is to play in DADGAD (D major) and write the melody to suit my own range. I really think if he was forced to sing in F rather than F Sharp then the vocal difference is negligible. However as a bass singer its sometimes bloody difficult to sing any popular song in its original key
mensamoo 5 months ago
@mensamoo Sorry - it's stupid I know, but your comment brought to mind the mental image of Tim trying to fit a massive capo to his piano.
...which I found massively funny (much like the video)
...It's a guitarist thing. :-)
Gekk071 1 month ago
@Gekk071 I get what you mean. i play piano and guitar so it's a pain transposing chords from different guitar tunings
3darkn1t 1 month ago
@Gekk071 anything is possible....the piano capo
mensamoo 1 month ago
love it love it love it love it love it! You never get bored, just watch it again and again!
8iluvhorses 5 months ago
Amazingly funny
summer29497 5 months ago in playlist Tim minchin
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shingashinga1 5 months ago
they should get flight of the concords to perform next year
BrixtonSkate7 5 months ago
You don't get tired of it, you just watch it again and again. You never get bored!
8iluvhorses 6 months ago
You can't help crying! It's hilarious! Undescribable!
8iluvhorses 6 months ago
DYING.
mindydrummer 6 months ago
THAT WAS AMAZING! F sharp with a whole orchestra :') I just cryed a little bit xD The arrangement was amazing - such talented musicians xD I'll do anything to be a trumpeter in an arrangement of F sharp! PHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :')
EmilyCompton1996 6 months ago
Just watched it on tv. Bloody brilliant, as usual.
Xamnada 6 months ago
i dont get it
ismcb4sc 6 months ago
@ismcb4sc Even though he knows the 2 keys don't sound good together, he likes to play in F major and sing in F sharp so he will do it anyway.
WilmaBridget 6 months ago
@ismcb4sc F sharp is the key he prefers to sing in whereas F is the key he prefers to play in. they are not relative in anyway whatsoever, despite people claiming that he played in D minor.
3darkn1t 1 month ago
Brilliant. Just brilliant!
LatexModel 6 months ago
One of my favourite songs of the night! I was there as well - anybody else in the arena?
YouBrokeMyUsername 6 months ago
I was there! He was amazing!
ssbaum 6 months ago
Tim Minchin sounds like fucking awesome with an orchestra!
Symons90 6 months ago
im watching him perform live this weekend at a festival! eek! i cant w8!
GinervaWeasleyPotter 6 months ago
Ah, I was there! I loved the whole show. He was so on form.
Bladeherox 6 months ago 3
That's an incredibly hard thing to do! He must be very musical.
142520452213 6 months ago 2
Is it just me or does he look really uncomfortable? This is no where near as good as his other versions.
asmcdonald84 6 months ago
@asmcdonald84 Well, would you be comfortable performing infront of the Royal Albert Hall?
Mrdoctorwhomad 6 months ago
@Mrdoctorwhomad Of course, I'd probably vomit.
But he's done the halls before and was fine. This just seems like a really bad performance.
asmcdonald84 6 months ago
@asmcdonald84 he is a musical genius who is trying to do something that no one has attempted before, singing in a different key from what he's playing knowingly. It's uncomfortable because he has to be careful not to sing in the key he's playing in.
3darkn1t 1 month ago
@asmcdonald84 He doesn't look uncomfortable, he looks totally in control of what he's doing.
1010IlSm 6 months ago
Epic
Gjkeane 6 months ago
they should give tim an entire orchestra more often
mechachomp 6 months ago
@mechachomp His latest tour (since last year) has been with his own orchestra.
TheGazcrowbar 6 months ago
justin beiber does the same thing but he has producers with auto tune to correct it
Symons90 6 months ago 3
thats hard to do and he does it brilliantly - bastard.
simonearly 6 months ago
I had the amazing pleasure or meeting mr Minchin, also ironing that shirt
nantes222 6 months ago
I was there as well.
alexk93093093 6 months ago
I love these Comedy Proms! Tim Minchin is an absolute legend.
tombomdoodle 6 months ago
1337th viewer!
L3w1s1114 6 months ago 3
please upload some more! i want to see how it began, listening to it on the radio at the minute!!
1010IlSm 6 months ago
@1010IlSm they're all available on the iPlayer
ekmad 6 months ago
@ekmad is that not just to listen to? not to watch?
1010IlSm 6 months ago
@1010IlSm I think the comedy prom is being broadcast on the 27th August on BBC2. That's what I gather from the page for this particular prom.
Blaber121 6 months ago
I was there :-)
iamagod360 6 months ago 3
@iamagod360 how amazing was it live? Im so jealous i didnt get to go :(
1010IlSm 6 months ago
i want him in the proms EVERY YEAR!
phobe1923 6 months ago
Did anyone else notice this is in D minor? (Except the last few bars)
Snookbone 6 months ago 5
@Snookbone well they are related so....
Rudge26 6 months ago
@Rudge26 Perfectly aware they're related... but it's not the same key. I've just played in a Prom by the way...
Snookbone 6 months ago
@Snookbone but the fact they are related is the reason it doesnt fit
livebenrules2 6 months ago