All this talking of ki makes me want to move on with my life,can we just agree on each others opinions or accept them and just move on?Im willing to, are you 2?
@DionLaurent1 Goku is stronger than vegeta but they did the fusion dance and assuming they did adjust thier ki so yea...cooler and frieza can do the fusion dance.
@TheAnthemXAngel Do you really think Coola and Freeza have the same knowledge of ki that Goku and Vegeta have? They don't. They aren't even capable of sensing ki. So how are they going to be able to adjust their ki if they don't know how much ki the other is using? They are not like Sayians and Earthlings. And they don't power up the same way either.
@DionLaurent1 maybe they dont have the same knowledge of ki but they can sense power lvls and im pretty sure they dont have to power up the SAME way to fuse.
@TheAnthemXAngel No, they can't. Or did you not see the Namek-Freeza sagas. If they could sense, there is no reason for them to use scouters. Duh. And it is required that the 2 who are fusing MUST be at the same strength There is only 1 way to have their levels the same. Did you even see the show. Because you sound like a real noob.
@DionLaurent1 Yes i have seen the saga and just because he used a scouter doesnt mean he cant sense, like other sayains for example,they used scouters but they also had the ability to sense powers and i know u only have to be at the power lvl to fuse which was ur first mistake of saying cooler and frieza cant fuse b/c one is stronger.I think using the scouters is just a handicap tool so they dont have to try to sense others.
@TheAnthemXAngel Wrong! Freeza and Coola can't sense ki. Give me a episode that EVER showed either of them sensing ki. Not even Vegeta was able to sense ki until he went to earth. And Him using the scouter DOES mean he can't sense. You claim to have seen the sagas, but you forget that Goku used the fact that Freeza can't sense ki to his advantage. By using the Spirit Bomb and by hiding in smoke. If Freeza could sense, he would have noticed the Spirit Bomb the moment Goku made it. etc
@DionLaurent1 Yeah episode 88 i think where they said frieza couldnt sense and im pretty sure vegeta could sense ki even though there wasnt a fact that said he couldnt and by having a scouter just means it gives a accurate status of their lvl or perhaps uniform regulation.Lol i gotta give it to ya, frieza cant sense ki but dont assume just b/c frieza and cooler are brothers does mean they have the same disabilities.Give me an episode where vegeta cant sense ki please.
@TheAnthemXAngel Now you are just making things up. The scouters are tools used to detect ki and power levels. If Freeza and the others could already do this naturally, they wouldn't have used them. Vegeta couldn't sense ki when he first came to earth. He started learning how to sense while he was their. Plain as simple. simple. After he retreated to 1 of Freezas planets to heal, he was about to go to Namek and told the doctor that he no longer needed the scouter. But he took it anyway.
@DionLaurent1 First dont repeat urself,you've already said the scouters shows power lvls and that Vegeta cant sense and i agreed with U and so how am I making things up?Scouters do break when a power is too powerful but what does that have to do with this argument?We are talking about adjusting, not overpowering.-Sigh-Goten and trunks didnt do it alone,they had piccolo to help them and like i said before"other assistance".
@TheAnthemXAngel You are the one who tried using "oh they could us scouters" as a way to say they could sense ki. That is why I explained how scouters are useless in attempting to fuse. Are you forgetting your own words? Yes, they had piccolo to help them. But you are forgetting that Freeza and Coola can't adjust their ki.
@DionLaurent1 But lets not get off subject, the answer to ur question earlier is cooler and frieza can fuse by using a scouter lol... or some other assistance.Its not like goten and trunks did fusion alone.
@DionLaurent1 l0l ye later on the series vegeta learn how to sense without the scouter but the scouter helps....HELP...which doesnt mean they cant sense.
@TheAnthemXAngel The scouters are useless for those who can sense. Especially since they break when power levels get too high. And sensing is more efficient than scouters. "cooler and frieza can fuse by using a scouter" Wow, that was really dumb. And a half-assed answer. Considering the scouters break and Coola and Freeza can't adjust their power levels like earthlings and sayans. And what the hell are you talking about? Goten and Trunks always did fusion alone. They don't use machines.
@DionLaurent1 Btw not only Sayains and earthlings can sense ki, Namekians,Immeckians,demons, and Kaioshins etc.So I made stuff up just by being realistic?Your making it more difficult for cooler and frieza to use the fusion dance.I can see why they cant use the potara earings b/c they dont have them but what if they saw goten and trunks on earth trying to fuse I mean u seen them watch goku battle kid buu on the planet kais so why wouldnt they learn something by watching them.
@TheAnthemXAngel I didn't say that only saiyans and earthlings can sense ki. That is a deflection. And doesn't refute my point that Freeza, Coola, and their soldiers can't sens ki. Way to state the obvious. No, I'm making it more difficult for you to adhere to your beliefs. So just by looking at Goten and Trucks fuse, they would be able to do it? LOL XD They may be able to mimic their movements, but they won't be able to fuse.
@DionLaurent1 Its obvious it would take more than mimicking movements lol,it would take using thier ki and just to remind you, what super17a is suggesting is a fused what if character so if I am resulting to anything im resulting to our topic and what hes saying who should be in the next game.
@TheAnthemXAngel Oh MAN! Now you are resorting to super 17? LMAO! No you are deflecting. And using examples of characters that are of a different species. And FYI, 17 is an android, no what ever race Freeza and Coola are.
@DionLaurent1 rofl really dude? im talking about the owner of this vid not the android.Yea super 17 android is suggesting cooler and frieza fusion dance lol....
@TheAnthemXAngel Oh, well my mistake. Bun nice try. double posting but what ever. I guess what ever win you can get. LOL You still couldn't refute my points.
@DionLaurent1 Dion they can adjust themselves,Frieza saga episode 100 Gohan Returns.Frieza decreased his power b/c he was going to fight gohan and for Cooler's little speech before u transform he said i found a fourth form.Now that means either he felt he had a 4th form or he transform and then went back and which i cant imagine that happening but what ur talking about is they cant transform back to thier other forms.Thats slightly different from the term "ki".
@TheAnthemXAngel Um actually, I never said they can't transform back to a previous form. Now you are putting words in my mouth. And even if they revert back to a weaker form, that doesn't mean their levels will be exactly even. That is a major requirement. Duh
@DionLaurent1 By adjusting thier transformations they can adjust thier ki and Im only rewording and the only logical answer of how they would fuse by practicing and ik they wont show them practicing the fusion dance in the game lol,they will just do it but u would assume they praticed.So really its not that they cant,its because they dont know.And how many times are you going to say they have to be the same?we both know that but the prob is how would they be the same ki lvl.
@TheAnthemXAngel No, you're not going to get away with that. The fact is THEY CAN'T! They are enable to adjust their ki to perfectly match each other. They can't tell how much or how littler ki to use. Even if they could tell how much to use, they still wouldn't know how to match up.
@DionLaurent1 lol oh yes I am, perhaps u better read over the last sentence again.Give me one fact or evidence that cooler is just like his bro lol but like it would matter according what i said before.Your not about what u said before"If they could sense, there is no reason for them to use scouters",I did not see one scene of cooler using a scouter.And yes im telling you what to do lol.
@TheAnthemXAngel LOL I don't need to. Coola and Freeza are brothers. Coola can't sense either. If he could, he wouldn't have told his men to look for them. LOL you are done.
@DionLaurent1 lol they are his henchmen, and hes the boss and like i said before, just because they are brothers doesnt mean they are exactly the same so ummm try to refute my points =).Go ahead... try
@DionLaurent1 And the funny thing about that part is when they look for goku they could not find him b/c he was hiding his energy and we both know he still had some left after that beam he shot at cooler.That could be the reason cooler's flash attack missed goku in the water.
@TheAnthemXAngel LOL Just because they are not exactly the same doesn't mean Coola can sense. You are trying to deflect again. And if Coola was able to sense, he would have noticed the ki blast Krillin used to blow up that bolder. LMAO! Nice try.
@TheAnthemXAngel What proof do you have that he was back at his ship? He didn't say he was going back to his ship. Now you are just making things up. Unlike Freeza, Coola isn't above taking matters into his own hands. LOL You really are sad. If you can't make factual points, don't bother. Oh and you don't need to know how to sense to hear explosions and trees falling due to the fight Piccolo was having. I don't have to try again. But you do. LMAO
@DionLaurent1 You gone post back alright lol, what proof do u have that he was looking for them at night and if u think back to when frieza blew up king vegeta's planet cooler let goku escape and just b/c that was friezas territory doesnt eliminate the fact sayians are a threat to him so cooler sometimes doesnt take matters into his own hands,that goes for frieza too.And back to piccolo's fight, we dont know how close or how far he was from the fight but guess what though.....try again "LMAO"
@TheAnthemXAngel I know you were just messing with me when you used "booze and hoes" That's why I didn't even address it. I only addressed the "he went back to his ship" part. And as I said. He is not above doing his own dirty work. Plus he obviously has a grudge against Freeza. So of course he wouldn't do Freeza's work. How old are you really? Do you not understand this? Plus apparently you don't remember that Coola OPENLY said "He's no threat to us" Coola was in that area. No need to try again
@DionLaurent1 No i will not tell u my age and yes i understand this and u dont realize when i said booze and yea..that included from the start he was not at his ship and u dont remember when cooler said to goku before he charge at him"I would like to see the power u used to destroy my brother"cooler knew frieza was stronger than what he "sense" in goku and cooler didnt know goku was a super sayain that defeated his brother.Yeah you dont have to try again but of course i know u are, Gl
@TheAnthemXAngel Wow. You are still deflecting. Coola said he wanted to SEE the power he used to beat Freeza. Key word: SEE! NOT sense. NOT feel. You are WAY off. And actually, Coola suspected that goku might be a super saiyan. (That is what he was thinking right after he attacked Goku.) Hence why he asked Goku to show him that power. NOT because he could sense. Pathetic. Looks like you need to watch that movie again. Looks like you are the only one trying. And failing miserably.
@TheAnthemXAngel And another thing, I could barely understand your typing, but I'm guessing you said that I didn't realize that you were kidding when you made that sad reference about Coola being on his ship with "booze and hoes". LOL I already told you that I knew you were fooling around. That is why I didn't even bring up the booze and hoes. I already explained that to you. This really is sad. It's like debating with a 5 year old. No logic, but full of deflections and mad up scenarios.
@TheAnthemXAngel Yes he had other business to take care of. But that is irrelevant. He is not spoiled like Freeza. He let goku go because 1 he didn't see him as a threat and 2 because he had a grudge against his brother. It is stated in the movie. Get your facts straight. All you are doing now is deflecting and talking in circles. It's really pathetic.
@DionLaurent1 Your second proof is true but not the main reason he let goku go.Your first fact is great but if you think cooler's business didnt have any effect on his decision and and hes not about his business by which you did say he takes matters in his own hands, then your wrong he would rather take care of his life than help frieza.Im clearly stating facts of the series dude and I believe you said both of your proofs before. You still think im the one talking in circles?
@TheAnthemXAngel I didn't say Coola's business didn't have any affect.But his business was more of an after thought. The main reasons were the 1s I addressed earlier.And yes, he dose take matters into his own hands. But Goku wasn't seen to him as any consequence at the time.Yes, you are talking in circles. This discussion was about whether or not they could fuse. But you talked in circles and deflected so many times that it turned into this. Just look back at your comments. And see for yourself.
@DionLaurent1 U talk as if its my fault, wow just because im on topic doesnt mean im talking in circles "Your deflecting" "your talking in circles" which is it?Ive been trying to stay on till about 10 comments from now when I quoted what cooler said in the movie and then u jump on something i said about the cooler and his squad first scene that i said along with the post.How about you look back at you've said.The arguement was pretty much over when you switch subjects to cooler letting goku go.
@TheAnthemXAngel Because it is your fault we ended up addressing other subjects. In essence, you weren't on topic. It was both. Exactly. Now you are repeating what I already said. I addressed the deflection you made. No, you changed while trying to suggest that Coola could sense power levels. That is where it started.
@DionLaurent1 It seems as though you dont care about thier fusion you just wanna win a stupid arguement instead of wanting a new what if character in a game and dont act like u cant understand,I heard that crap before and im not buying it b/c if u didnt why would u bother responding back?
@TheAnthemXAngel You are the one who started this argument. Don't bitch at me because you were unable to not only prove that Coola could sense ki, but that he and Freeza could adjust their ki to perfectly match in order to fuse.
@DionLaurent1 And by cooler saying he wants to see he meants feel,not literally seeing is power lol but despite ur insults you are quite good in your knowledge in DBZ but try to learning some respect before saying its like arueing with a 5 year old.
@TheAnthemXAngel So now see means feel? LOL Nope. Wrong again. Respect is not entitled. It is earned. And from what I see, you are undeserving of mine.
@DionLaurent1 lol I make up scenarios?Lets say I do make up stuff which i dont, but this is a what if character we are suppose to be talking about.Atleast I can imagine new things instead of rejecting ideas with partial knowledge of something.
@TheAnthemXAngel Well, insinuating that Coola and Freeza could sense ki. Saying they can adjust their ki to fuse. Hm...Why would anyone accuse you of making stuff up? LOL
@DionLaurent1 Ima let this one go seeming as that u keep denying something both you and I dont truely know, and i was able to support my evidence but i guess it makes it alright to say whatever u want on a computer..cya
@TheAnthemXAngel What am I denying? Oh the infamous "computer tough guy" allegation. Whether to your face, or on line, my words would be the same. I am a brutally honest person who calls it like I see it. And you didn't prove anything. Coming up with made up scenarios doesn't make you right.
@DionLaurent1 Not only I agree with Anthem of why they frieza and cooler can fuse but the isnt really a tru fact that he can sense ki so its not that they cant fuse its that they dont know and can careless the shit you guys are talking about.By what Ive read anthem wasnt making up scenarios.
@Excutor231 L0l i tried to tell him that i wasnt making up and any scenarios and that frieza and cooler can fuse its just they dont know.And I guess he tried to sugar coat he wasnt a vengeful guy by saying he doesnt back down when they are the same thing almost.Someone throws something at you, you throw back, u dont back down and u want to get back at him/her.And yes posting our evidence would never show the true fact cooler can sense ki, it would just go on and on.
@DionLaurent1 Yeah considering what we've been doing, but im ready to apologize and im not trying to get away with anything by wanting to say im sorry for all that crap,I want to be mature about this.Im sorry we had those disagreements that led to something else off topic.Im sorry =)
@DionLaurent1 Just about and can fuse, but if both of them cant sense, that means they dont know,try to seperate the two problems and besides what if they did fuse and the next game by the fusion dance that would include both have studied ki energy.Hence....super17a is saying what if they fused.
@DionLaurent1 Its just like saying anyone can do something, they just need a guide and i love when anthem said frieza watch the sayians and earthings on earth from hell.An example in budokai 3 i think,tien and yamcha fused doing the dance.Just b/c they can sense didnt mean they got it right the first time they did it,they practiced.You gotta imagine things what might of happen to make that possible.Another example would be the what if character, ss3 vegeta.Cmon on now he trained.
@Excutor231 You do realize that Both Tien and Yamcha can sense ki and adjust their ki, right? That makes it feasible for them to fuse. Freeza and Coola can't sense ki or adjust their ki. Making it impossible for them to fuse. And just watching a technique doesn't mean they are able to successfully use said technique.
@DionLaurent1 yes i do realize that they both can sense and thats why i said that before.And i also assumed they could'nt of got it right the first time,they had to practice.I dont expect them to just get it just by watching them.Nothing is possible if you practice and i would laugh so hard if they actually do make a what if fusion dance between cooler and frieza in a game.Super badass.Im not gunna say cooler cant or can sense b/c they are brothers, i would say cooler is more resourceful.
@Excutor231 It doesn't matter how often they try, if they can't sense, and they can't adjust their ki, they can't fuse. Yamcha and Tien can do both. So with practice, they could fuse. But Freeza and Coola can't do either. Coola can't sens because when he was on earth, he couldn't find Goku and the others. And when Krillin used his ki, only 1 of his men with a scouter detected it. Not Coola. And only his henchmen found Gohan riding Icarus. That proves that he can't sense.
@DionLaurent1 It does matter how often they try b/c just like sayains and earthlings, they can learn how to sense.The scene where that one henchman detected that energy blast from krillin its a bit tricky to understand.The other henchmen would had detected it too b/c they had scouters too.That would prove cooler couldnt sense if the others detected that blast except cooler.Neiz wasnt the only 1 with a scouter but the others could be far just like cooler to had detect a energy blast, who knows.
@Excutor231 That is not true. Saiyans naturally adapt to their environment. That is how Vegeta learned to sense and adjust his ki. Freeza's race has never been shown the ability to adapt like this. It isn't tricky at all. Krillin shot a blast of energy, the henchman picked it up on his scouter. But sensing and using the scouter isn't the same thing. It is possible to sense ki from great distance. As evident in what Goku did when her first reached Namek.
@DionLaurent1 Ofc using the scouter and sensing are not the same thing, and yes its possible to sense from great distance but as you know cooler doesnt have the same knowledge of ki like goku does and by that it was possible he couldnt sense that far b/c he isnt as sensable as goku.And when krillin shot that blast not only should Neiz detect it.Yeah Freiza's race has never shown the ability to adapt but thats different from learning how to do something.
@Excutor231 And during that time on the look out when every warrior could sense what was going on below. Distance was never a problem before. So you can't use that as an excuse. And the scene when Coola's henchmen found Gohan and Icarus. Coola wasn't with them. That also shows that he is unable to sense. And FYI, sensing isn't learned.
@TheAnthemXAngel That's not likely. If Coola could sense, which he can't, he would have known that his men were too weak for Piccolo. And would have taken him out before the fight.
@DionLaurent1 Distance was a problem before but maybe not noticeable.When Yamcha and Tien were dead on king kais planet they used his back to telepathically go to planet namek.From then on they could sense friezas energy unlike goku when he was dead on king kai's planet after the fight of cell he could sense broly's energy from the he was on.More like in movies the boss is always the one to fight last.
@Excutor231 Come on, really? There was nothing shown about them improving their sensing while on King Kai's planet. If you can't come up with evidence from the movies, manga, anime or the show, it's useless. And FYI, Tien and Yamcha were able to sense before they died. Plus that wouldn't explain how Vegeta became able to sense and adjust his ki.
@DionLaurent1 Yes there is evidence of them sensing ki on king kai's planet, they said they were, they didnt say they were improving.And who cares if they could sense before they died and about yamcha and tien, we are talking about cooler, i see how u and anthem were talking about that other sht before.Missleading conversations
@Excutor231 You were the one who brought up Yamcha and Tien, not me. Look back at your comments. Who brought up Tien and Yamcha being able to fuse? I didn't say that they weren't sensing. I said "There was nothing shown about them improving their sensing while on King Kai's planet."
@DionLaurent1 I wouldnt say cooler wasnt with his men during the fight with gohan and piccolo but i would say he was watching them and then he cut in when things werent looking too good.Think back on the fight at the river, he was there.
@Excutor231 And Yamcha and Tien were in the afterlife. So of course they can't contact anyone without the help of a Kai. If there were any clue to get to Goku, Coola would have been the first one there, if he could sense ki.
@DionLaurent1 uh huh just because he could sense doesnt mean he would be there first, cooler is amused by goku's power and would rather see him in action before he dies
@DionLaurent1 Your still not getting it, either he could or couldnt, that doesnt explain why he cant sense b/c he let his men attacked first.I would hate to give u another example b/c u would just jump on that w/o staying on topic.Bojack and his crew members,he let them fight gohan and the other z warriors first even though he knew what was gohan about but too bad he couldnt sense gohan was holdin back so much power.There
@TheAnthemXAngel 1. Bojack isn't the topic. 2. Bojack isn't the same race as Coola. And you accuse me of getting off topic. You still haven't shown any proof that Coola can sens. He never even talked about being able to detect ki. There
@DionLaurent1 Ik bojack isnt the topic its just something to relate to, and just b/c he isnt the same race doesnt mean he cant sense.Ive shown you proof like so many times and he never did talked about he could sense ki.So there and there
@DionLaurent1 Wtf?? not the same character wow I didnt know that....how bout watch the part when goku went kaioken to attack cooler.Cooler just stood still and then he turn his head right a sec before goku attacked and then he backhand punch him.As i see it, you can call that super hearing/fast eye movement or sensing. I would go with sensing and u can go with hearing or w/e.Happy?
@TheAnthemXAngel (Sarcasm) Nice Oh and by the way. Regarding that attack Coola was able to counter. LOL Nice try. But Freeza did the same thing. Remember when Goku was hiding on the other side of huge rock. Freeza looked behind him and punched through that rock. Assuming he was still there. Fail again. Predicting someone's movements isn't sensing.
@TheAnthemXAngel And you would know that because you created the story? LOL So when Freeza does something like that, it's nothing, but when Coola hits an attacking Goku, it is sensing? Double-standard much. Sorry but that's not how it goes. Not to mention that Coola, in his final form was faster than Goku.
@DionLaurent1 All being in his final form means hes stronger and faster than goku,not smarter meaning to predict something before goku does is thinking ahead of goku.
@TheAnthemXAngel Freeza many times displayed similar feats. But we all know that he can't sense. Now you are basing you belief on 1 scene. Another thing you might want to remember. The first punch that Goku landed on Coola was hidden behind the bolder that was crossing their path. If Coola could sense he would have moved out of the way.
@DionLaurent1 He cant sense ki, he can, fine....you have been able to present ur evidence well and im sure u think the same for me if not oh well.Im sure we can have our own thoughts.Truths?
@DionLaurent1 oh sht dude,search "ki sense" on google or w/e.After that click on the first link that says Ki Sense - Dragon Ball Wiki, and scroll down to the category notes and then go down to where a sentence starts at "Though Frieza and....." yea.....
@TheAnthemXAngel Wow, now you are using Wiki? Coola never used Instant Transmission. Only his robots did. If he could use Instant Transmission, he would have used it before hitting the sun. Yeah, I'm sure you just accidentally stumbled across that. LOL
@Excutor231 No he didn't. He's using what the Meta Coolas are able to do as a way to claim that Coola can do the same. Coola never used Instant Transmission, a technique that requiters sensing. Only his Meta Coolas did.
@DionLaurent1 excutor is not talking about meta coolers abilities.Unlike you he kept reading, he didnt stop at the first parenthesis.And besides, the first sentence said frieza and king cold cant sense but cooler can
@DionLaurent1 The dbz company was never accurate about these kinds of stuff in the shows.The episodes and the movies are not enough information sometimes to explain things.You can come up a way to retaliate that information on that wiki as much as u like but u know the truth now.
@TheAnthemXAngel Sorry, but showing me a link to an unofficial site, where anyone can edit isn't truth. Coola never used Instant Transmission. Only his Meta Coolas did. And yeah, I read it all. Funny how they don't explain why Coola never is seen using this move, only his mechanical doppelgangers.
@DionLaurent1 -Sigh- the site is sure editted, but out of all the information,u would say cooler cant sense lol...We all know he never used instant transmission in the first movie so dont point that out again.Yeah they only show meta cooler detecting ki but despite the clues they gave u in the show.Cooler didnt have on a scouter and why would he learn how to hide is own energy,control it etc if he couldnt sense others.
@TheAnthemXAngel Well, I have friends and family members who watched the show longer than I did. And they agree with me. Funny how you wanted a truce only to come running back the moment you think you have irrefutable evidence to support your thoughts. And the show never never gave any clues. Nor did the movie. Oh so other stuff on Wiki can be change, but not the stuff that you agree with. LOL Ironic how you and Excutor231 come back at the same time. Sensing is developed through fights on earth
@DionLaurent1 I guess i believe your family having a say in this matter but i wont ever know that.yeah that was a bitch move to come back with that evidence and yes,the movie did give evidence and the show does not have anything to do with this because cooler wasnt never shown except in gt maybe.yeah dude that stuff is factual and the other can maybe be reworded or the wiki can add more.sensing can be developed but if u didnt know, goku learned that technique by drinking the ultra divine water.
@TheAnthemXAngel You are the one who brought up the show, not me. And regarding the way Goku obtained the ability. How did the other gain it? Through training and battle. But that has very little to do with this anyway.
@DionLaurent1 Yea im the one who brought the show up,so? I was talking about how the comapny wasnt accurate on a few subjects,movie,shows you name it.The others did get thier ability by training and battling so...
@TheAnthemXAngel So, don't get mad when I address what you bring up. And regarding Coola not having a scouter. I am so glad you brought that up. King Cold didn't have a scouter. So by your logic, King Cold should be able to sense too. LOL Sorry, that's not how it works.
@DionLaurent1 Lol i wasnt mad.Nor did mecha frieza had a a scouter but he could detect with the mechanical part of him,idk.King cold didnt have a scouter too but he couldnt sense even though they never said he couldnt.King Cold thinks he better than anyone in anyway u can describe it so him having a scouter would say he cant sense anything like his henchmen.Having a scouter on king cold would cramp is style a bit,would u think?
@TheAnthemXAngel But King Cold doesn't have any mechanical parts. LOL Well perhaps Coola saw himself the same way. After all he was stronger than Freeza. So that too could explain why Coola didn't have a scouter. Not really. Especially considering he is wearing the same protective armor as his men. If he thought of himself as so powerful, there would me no need for the armor either.
@DionLaurent1 Dont see why the mechanical has something to do with cold even when i said that about frieza.King cold wasnt stronger than frieza,frieza was but in anyway king cold thinks he is better than the whole universe.King cold also had a cape on symbolizing he is the leader/boss.
@TheAnthemXAngel mOnce again, you bring up a point, then when I address it, you reply with "I don't know what that has to do with anything." LOL If you don't want me to bring it up, don't address it. Oh please. When Freeza first appeared, he didn't have a scouter either. What excuse are you going to make for him. The weakest in the family.
@DionLaurent1 I dont have a problem of you adressing anything i might bring up and when i said "dont see why the mechanical has something to do....." that really didnt have anything to do with king cold b/c i was trying to talk about mecha frieza before u use him as an excuse for not having a scouter,not that excuses are bad or anything i was just getting ahead of you.When frieza first appear are you talking about his arrival on earth or on planet namek?
@TheAnthemXAngel But you used it as a reason for why Freeza didn't have a scouter. And you did that to sport why King Cold didn't have 1. Really, I see the comments you make and the things you try to imply. Sorry to disappoint you, but Freeza didn't have a scouter when he first appeared on planet Namek. LOL Someone has forgotten things.
@DionLaurent1 im gunna ignore the upper part of ur comment and the last sentence and ima move on to frieza to be fair.Please tell me what episode when he didnt have a scouter on planet namek or describe the episode.
@TheAnthemXAngel No, When he FIRST appeared on Namek, he didn't have on a scouter. I don't know how clear I have to be. And if you want, I'll be more than happy to show you the episode.
@DionLaurent1 Hey I looked up a site and i saw episode 33 but not frieza but i went to another one site and looked for frieza first appearance saw him.Are you talking about the episode when he was last seen with dodoria and zarbon?Brood of Evil
@DionLaurent1 The last time we saw Frieza with a scouter was when he took it off to kill the Elite Saiyans and King Vegeta or maybe the bardock movie.After that you never did see him with one untill he ordered one from captain ginyu.As you can see now,the ppl who made the episodes are not very clear on some things and thats why u have to assume what happened to his scouter over the time.I assumed he lost his.
@TheAnthemXAngel No, Freeza didn't have one in the OVA with Bardock. Plus it has nothing to do with this. And yes, the people who made the show are not very clear. That could be why King Cold and Coola were never seen with scouters. Not because he could sense, but because they just didn't give him 1.
@DionLaurent1 Exactly.I was using bardock movie as an example of the error they made for frieza and i said maybe he had one,i wasnt sure in that movie.
@TheAnthemXAngel Sorry, but it isn't. Since I know you will be back soon with another link, make sure it is a official link that shows Akira Toriyama or anyone who worked at Toei Animation confirming your beliefs. Until then, don't bother.
brb ill be on bangbros
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
sorry about that Dion
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
dude i was hoping to post that before he said truce
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
lol really anthem
Excutor231 1 year ago
Dude I am so ready to move on,fucking rediculous i would say xD
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
All this talking of ki makes me want to move on with my life,can we just agree on each others opinions or accept them and just move on?Im willing to, are you 2?
Excutor231 1 year ago
=)
Excutor231 1 year ago
rofl
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
and sorry if i offended anyone by saying u two were fighting,i meant arguing
Excutor231 1 year ago
FFs 7 pages of you 2 fighting????????I would say u both started this
Excutor231 1 year ago
lol did i just @ myself??
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@bordesman am ya
super17a 1 year ago
@MoMoNextjen10 i have aspurgus sidrom ass wanker
super17a 1 year ago
Coola is stronger than Freeza, so they can't do a fusion dance. They also can't adjust their ki to match each other for the dance.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Goku is stronger than vegeta but they did the fusion dance and assuming they did adjust thier ki so yea...cooler and frieza can do the fusion dance.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel Do you really think Coola and Freeza have the same knowledge of ki that Goku and Vegeta have? They don't. They aren't even capable of sensing ki. So how are they going to be able to adjust their ki if they don't know how much ki the other is using? They are not like Sayians and Earthlings. And they don't power up the same way either.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 maybe they dont have the same knowledge of ki but they can sense power lvls and im pretty sure they dont have to power up the SAME way to fuse.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel No, they can't. Or did you not see the Namek-Freeza sagas. If they could sense, there is no reason for them to use scouters. Duh. And it is required that the 2 who are fusing MUST be at the same strength There is only 1 way to have their levels the same. Did you even see the show. Because you sound like a real noob.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Yes i have seen the saga and just because he used a scouter doesnt mean he cant sense, like other sayains for example,they used scouters but they also had the ability to sense powers and i know u only have to be at the power lvl to fuse which was ur first mistake of saying cooler and frieza cant fuse b/c one is stronger.I think using the scouters is just a handicap tool so they dont have to try to sense others.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel and by "he" im talking about frieza
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel Wrong! Freeza and Coola can't sense ki. Give me a episode that EVER showed either of them sensing ki. Not even Vegeta was able to sense ki until he went to earth. And Him using the scouter DOES mean he can't sense. You claim to have seen the sagas, but you forget that Goku used the fact that Freeza can't sense ki to his advantage. By using the Spirit Bomb and by hiding in smoke. If Freeza could sense, he would have noticed the Spirit Bomb the moment Goku made it. etc
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Yeah episode 88 i think where they said frieza couldnt sense and im pretty sure vegeta could sense ki even though there wasnt a fact that said he couldnt and by having a scouter just means it gives a accurate status of their lvl or perhaps uniform regulation.Lol i gotta give it to ya, frieza cant sense ki but dont assume just b/c frieza and cooler are brothers does mean they have the same disabilities.Give me an episode where vegeta cant sense ki please.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel Now you are just making things up. The scouters are tools used to detect ki and power levels. If Freeza and the others could already do this naturally, they wouldn't have used them. Vegeta couldn't sense ki when he first came to earth. He started learning how to sense while he was their. Plain as simple. simple. After he retreated to 1 of Freezas planets to heal, he was about to go to Namek and told the doctor that he no longer needed the scouter. But he took it anyway.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 First dont repeat urself,you've already said the scouters shows power lvls and that Vegeta cant sense and i agreed with U and so how am I making things up?Scouters do break when a power is too powerful but what does that have to do with this argument?We are talking about adjusting, not overpowering.-Sigh-Goten and trunks didnt do it alone,they had piccolo to help them and like i said before"other assistance".
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel You are the one who tried using "oh they could us scouters" as a way to say they could sense ki. That is why I explained how scouters are useless in attempting to fuse. Are you forgetting your own words? Yes, they had piccolo to help them. But you are forgetting that Freeza and Coola can't adjust their ki.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 But lets not get off subject, the answer to ur question earlier is cooler and frieza can fuse by using a scouter lol... or some other assistance.Its not like goten and trunks did fusion alone.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 l0l ye later on the series vegeta learn how to sense without the scouter but the scouter helps....HELP...which doesnt mean they cant sense.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel The scouters are useless for those who can sense. Especially since they break when power levels get too high. And sensing is more efficient than scouters. "cooler and frieza can fuse by using a scouter" Wow, that was really dumb. And a half-assed answer. Considering the scouters break and Coola and Freeza can't adjust their power levels like earthlings and sayans. And what the hell are you talking about? Goten and Trunks always did fusion alone. They don't use machines.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Btw not only Sayains and earthlings can sense ki, Namekians,Immeckians,demons, and Kaioshins etc.So I made stuff up just by being realistic?Your making it more difficult for cooler and frieza to use the fusion dance.I can see why they cant use the potara earings b/c they dont have them but what if they saw goten and trunks on earth trying to fuse I mean u seen them watch goku battle kid buu on the planet kais so why wouldnt they learn something by watching them.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel I didn't say that only saiyans and earthlings can sense ki. That is a deflection. And doesn't refute my point that Freeza, Coola, and their soldiers can't sens ki. Way to state the obvious. No, I'm making it more difficult for you to adhere to your beliefs. So just by looking at Goten and Trucks fuse, they would be able to do it? LOL XD They may be able to mimic their movements, but they won't be able to fuse.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Its obvious it would take more than mimicking movements lol,it would take using thier ki and just to remind you, what super17a is suggesting is a fused what if character so if I am resulting to anything im resulting to our topic and what hes saying who should be in the next game.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel Oh MAN! Now you are resorting to super 17? LMAO! No you are deflecting. And using examples of characters that are of a different species. And FYI, 17 is an android, no what ever race Freeza and Coola are.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
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TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 rofl really dude? im talking about the owner of this vid not the android.Yea super 17 android is suggesting cooler and frieza fusion dance lol....
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel Oh, well my mistake. Bun nice try. double posting but what ever. I guess what ever win you can get. LOL You still couldn't refute my points.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Dion they can adjust themselves,Frieza saga episode 100 Gohan Returns.Frieza decreased his power b/c he was going to fight gohan and for Cooler's little speech before u transform he said i found a fourth form.Now that means either he felt he had a 4th form or he transform and then went back and which i cant imagine that happening but what ur talking about is they cant transform back to thier other forms.Thats slightly different from the term "ki".
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel Um actually, I never said they can't transform back to a previous form. Now you are putting words in my mouth. And even if they revert back to a weaker form, that doesn't mean their levels will be exactly even. That is a major requirement. Duh
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 By adjusting thier transformations they can adjust thier ki and Im only rewording and the only logical answer of how they would fuse by practicing and ik they wont show them practicing the fusion dance in the game lol,they will just do it but u would assume they praticed.So really its not that they cant,its because they dont know.And how many times are you going to say they have to be the same?we both know that but the prob is how would they be the same ki lvl.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel No, you're not going to get away with that. The fact is THEY CAN'T! They are enable to adjust their ki to perfectly match each other. They can't tell how much or how littler ki to use. Even if they could tell how much to use, they still wouldn't know how to match up.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 lol oh yes I am, perhaps u better read over the last sentence again.Give me one fact or evidence that cooler is just like his bro lol but like it would matter according what i said before.Your not about what u said before"If they could sense, there is no reason for them to use scouters",I did not see one scene of cooler using a scouter.And yes im telling you what to do lol.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel LOL I don't need to. Coola and Freeza are brothers. Coola can't sense either. If he could, he wouldn't have told his men to look for them. LOL you are done.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 lol they are his henchmen, and hes the boss and like i said before, just because they are brothers doesnt mean they are exactly the same so ummm try to refute my points =).Go ahead... try
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 And the funny thing about that part is when they look for goku they could not find him b/c he was hiding his energy and we both know he still had some left after that beam he shot at cooler.That could be the reason cooler's flash attack missed goku in the water.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel LOL Just because they are not exactly the same doesn't mean Coola can sense. You are trying to deflect again. And if Coola was able to sense, he would have noticed the ki blast Krillin used to blow up that bolder. LMAO! Nice try.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
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TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel What proof do you have that he was back at his ship? He didn't say he was going back to his ship. Now you are just making things up. Unlike Freeza, Coola isn't above taking matters into his own hands. LOL You really are sad. If you can't make factual points, don't bother. Oh and you don't need to know how to sense to hear explosions and trees falling due to the fight Piccolo was having. I don't have to try again. But you do. LMAO
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 You gone post back alright lol, what proof do u have that he was looking for them at night and if u think back to when frieza blew up king vegeta's planet cooler let goku escape and just b/c that was friezas territory doesnt eliminate the fact sayians are a threat to him so cooler sometimes doesnt take matters into his own hands,that goes for frieza too.And back to piccolo's fight, we dont know how close or how far he was from the fight but guess what though.....try again "LMAO"
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel I know you were just messing with me when you used "booze and hoes" That's why I didn't even address it. I only addressed the "he went back to his ship" part. And as I said. He is not above doing his own dirty work. Plus he obviously has a grudge against Freeza. So of course he wouldn't do Freeza's work. How old are you really? Do you not understand this? Plus apparently you don't remember that Coola OPENLY said "He's no threat to us" Coola was in that area. No need to try again
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 No i will not tell u my age and yes i understand this and u dont realize when i said booze and yea..that included from the start he was not at his ship and u dont remember when cooler said to goku before he charge at him"I would like to see the power u used to destroy my brother"cooler knew frieza was stronger than what he "sense" in goku and cooler didnt know goku was a super sayain that defeated his brother.Yeah you dont have to try again but of course i know u are, Gl
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel Wow. You are still deflecting. Coola said he wanted to SEE the power he used to beat Freeza. Key word: SEE! NOT sense. NOT feel. You are WAY off. And actually, Coola suspected that goku might be a super saiyan. (That is what he was thinking right after he attacked Goku.) Hence why he asked Goku to show him that power. NOT because he could sense. Pathetic. Looks like you need to watch that movie again. Looks like you are the only one trying. And failing miserably.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel And another thing, I could barely understand your typing, but I'm guessing you said that I didn't realize that you were kidding when you made that sad reference about Coola being on his ship with "booze and hoes". LOL I already told you that I knew you were fooling around. That is why I didn't even bring up the booze and hoes. I already explained that to you. This really is sad. It's like debating with a 5 year old. No logic, but full of deflections and mad up scenarios.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
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TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
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@DionLaurent1 And just because he has a grudge against his bro doesnt mean he let goku get away,he had other business to take care of.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel Yes he had other business to take care of. But that is irrelevant. He is not spoiled like Freeza. He let goku go because 1 he didn't see him as a threat and 2 because he had a grudge against his brother. It is stated in the movie. Get your facts straight. All you are doing now is deflecting and talking in circles. It's really pathetic.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Your second proof is true but not the main reason he let goku go.Your first fact is great but if you think cooler's business didnt have any effect on his decision and and hes not about his business by which you did say he takes matters in his own hands, then your wrong he would rather take care of his life than help frieza.Im clearly stating facts of the series dude and I believe you said both of your proofs before. You still think im the one talking in circles?
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel I didn't say Coola's business didn't have any affect.But his business was more of an after thought. The main reasons were the 1s I addressed earlier.And yes, he dose take matters into his own hands. But Goku wasn't seen to him as any consequence at the time.Yes, you are talking in circles. This discussion was about whether or not they could fuse. But you talked in circles and deflected so many times that it turned into this. Just look back at your comments. And see for yourself.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 U talk as if its my fault, wow just because im on topic doesnt mean im talking in circles "Your deflecting" "your talking in circles" which is it?Ive been trying to stay on till about 10 comments from now when I quoted what cooler said in the movie and then u jump on something i said about the cooler and his squad first scene that i said along with the post.How about you look back at you've said.The arguement was pretty much over when you switch subjects to cooler letting goku go.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel Because it is your fault we ended up addressing other subjects. In essence, you weren't on topic. It was both. Exactly. Now you are repeating what I already said. I addressed the deflection you made. No, you changed while trying to suggest that Coola could sense power levels. That is where it started.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 It seems as though you dont care about thier fusion you just wanna win a stupid arguement instead of wanting a new what if character in a game and dont act like u cant understand,I heard that crap before and im not buying it b/c if u didnt why would u bother responding back?
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel You are the one who started this argument. Don't bitch at me because you were unable to not only prove that Coola could sense ki, but that he and Freeza could adjust their ki to perfectly match in order to fuse.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 And by cooler saying he wants to see he meants feel,not literally seeing is power lol but despite ur insults you are quite good in your knowledge in DBZ but try to learning some respect before saying its like arueing with a 5 year old.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel So now see means feel? LOL Nope. Wrong again. Respect is not entitled. It is earned. And from what I see, you are undeserving of mine.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Tbh im kind of tired of seeying deflect and circles because u ever say "circles" and deflect" over and over again.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 lol I make up scenarios?Lets say I do make up stuff which i dont, but this is a what if character we are suppose to be talking about.Atleast I can imagine new things instead of rejecting ideas with partial knowledge of something.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel Well, insinuating that Coola and Freeza could sense ki. Saying they can adjust their ki to fuse. Hm...Why would anyone accuse you of making stuff up? LOL
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Ima let this one go seeming as that u keep denying something both you and I dont truely know, and i was able to support my evidence but i guess it makes it alright to say whatever u want on a computer..cya
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel What am I denying? Oh the infamous "computer tough guy" allegation. Whether to your face, or on line, my words would be the same. I am a brutally honest person who calls it like I see it. And you didn't prove anything. Coming up with made up scenarios doesn't make you right.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Not only I agree with Anthem of why they frieza and cooler can fuse but the isnt really a tru fact that he can sense ki so its not that they cant fuse its that they dont know and can careless the shit you guys are talking about.By what Ive read anthem wasnt making up scenarios.
Excutor231 1 year ago
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Excutor231 1 year ago
@Excutor231 L0l i tried to tell him that i wasnt making up and any scenarios and that frieza and cooler can fuse its just they dont know.And I guess he tried to sugar coat he wasnt a vengeful guy by saying he doesnt back down when they are the same thing almost.Someone throws something at you, you throw back, u dont back down and u want to get back at him/her.And yes posting our evidence would never show the true fact cooler can sense ki, it would just go on and on.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel You 2 should get married
Excutor231 1 year ago
@Excutor231 your gay
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel So being vengeful and not backing down are the same thing? LOL
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Yeah considering what we've been doing, but im ready to apologize and im not trying to get away with anything by wanting to say im sorry for all that crap,I want to be mature about this.Im sorry we had those disagreements that led to something else off topic.Im sorry =)
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel There really isn't anything to apologize for. I hold no grudge against you. But if I offended you in any way, I apologize.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 rofl... god damn dude,ok no grudge
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel I knew u two were sweet hearts ;)
Excutor231 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 And there is differences between them but you know that ofc
Excutor231 1 year ago
@Excutor231 Then you weren't reading. Neither brother can sens. And neither are at the exact same level. Hence, they can't fuse.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Just about and can fuse, but if both of them cant sense, that means they dont know,try to seperate the two problems and besides what if they did fuse and the next game by the fusion dance that would include both have studied ki energy.Hence....super17a is saying what if they fused.
Excutor231 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Its just like saying anyone can do something, they just need a guide and i love when anthem said frieza watch the sayians and earthings on earth from hell.An example in budokai 3 i think,tien and yamcha fused doing the dance.Just b/c they can sense didnt mean they got it right the first time they did it,they practiced.You gotta imagine things what might of happen to make that possible.Another example would be the what if character, ss3 vegeta.Cmon on now he trained.
Excutor231 1 year ago
@Excutor231 You do realize that Both Tien and Yamcha can sense ki and adjust their ki, right? That makes it feasible for them to fuse. Freeza and Coola can't sense ki or adjust their ki. Making it impossible for them to fuse. And just watching a technique doesn't mean they are able to successfully use said technique.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 yes i do realize that they both can sense and thats why i said that before.And i also assumed they could'nt of got it right the first time,they had to practice.I dont expect them to just get it just by watching them.Nothing is possible if you practice and i would laugh so hard if they actually do make a what if fusion dance between cooler and frieza in a game.Super badass.Im not gunna say cooler cant or can sense b/c they are brothers, i would say cooler is more resourceful.
Excutor231 1 year ago
@Excutor231 It doesn't matter how often they try, if they can't sense, and they can't adjust their ki, they can't fuse. Yamcha and Tien can do both. So with practice, they could fuse. But Freeza and Coola can't do either. Coola can't sens because when he was on earth, he couldn't find Goku and the others. And when Krillin used his ki, only 1 of his men with a scouter detected it. Not Coola. And only his henchmen found Gohan riding Icarus. That proves that he can't sense.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 It does matter how often they try b/c just like sayains and earthlings, they can learn how to sense.The scene where that one henchman detected that energy blast from krillin its a bit tricky to understand.The other henchmen would had detected it too b/c they had scouters too.That would prove cooler couldnt sense if the others detected that blast except cooler.Neiz wasnt the only 1 with a scouter but the others could be far just like cooler to had detect a energy blast, who knows.
Excutor231 1 year ago
@Excutor231 That is not true. Saiyans naturally adapt to their environment. That is how Vegeta learned to sense and adjust his ki. Freeza's race has never been shown the ability to adapt like this. It isn't tricky at all. Krillin shot a blast of energy, the henchman picked it up on his scouter. But sensing and using the scouter isn't the same thing. It is possible to sense ki from great distance. As evident in what Goku did when her first reached Namek.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Ofc using the scouter and sensing are not the same thing, and yes its possible to sense from great distance but as you know cooler doesnt have the same knowledge of ki like goku does and by that it was possible he couldnt sense that far b/c he isnt as sensable as goku.And when krillin shot that blast not only should Neiz detect it.Yeah Freiza's race has never shown the ability to adapt but thats different from learning how to do something.
Excutor231 1 year ago
@Excutor231 And during that time on the look out when every warrior could sense what was going on below. Distance was never a problem before. So you can't use that as an excuse. And the scene when Coola's henchmen found Gohan and Icarus. Coola wasn't with them. That also shows that he is unable to sense. And FYI, sensing isn't learned.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
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TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
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TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel That's not likely. If Coola could sense, which he can't, he would have known that his men were too weak for Piccolo. And would have taken him out before the fight.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 its obvious he was entertained by the fight if he had care before he would had stopped piccolo from fighting after doore's death
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Distance was a problem before but maybe not noticeable.When Yamcha and Tien were dead on king kais planet they used his back to telepathically go to planet namek.From then on they could sense friezas energy unlike goku when he was dead on king kai's planet after the fight of cell he could sense broly's energy from the he was on.More like in movies the boss is always the one to fight last.
Excutor231 1 year ago
@Excutor231 Come on, really? There was nothing shown about them improving their sensing while on King Kai's planet. If you can't come up with evidence from the movies, manga, anime or the show, it's useless. And FYI, Tien and Yamcha were able to sense before they died. Plus that wouldn't explain how Vegeta became able to sense and adjust his ki.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Yes there is evidence of them sensing ki on king kai's planet, they said they were, they didnt say they were improving.And who cares if they could sense before they died and about yamcha and tien, we are talking about cooler, i see how u and anthem were talking about that other sht before.Missleading conversations
Excutor231 1 year ago
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@Excutor231 You were the one who brought up Yamcha and Tien, not me. Look back at your comments. Who brought up Tien and Yamcha being able to fuse? I didn't say that they weren't sensing. I said "There was nothing shown about them improving their sensing while on King Kai's planet."
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 I wouldnt say cooler wasnt with his men during the fight with gohan and piccolo but i would say he was watching them and then he cut in when things werent looking too good.Think back on the fight at the river, he was there.
Excutor231 1 year ago
@Excutor231 lol
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@Excutor231 And Yamcha and Tien were in the afterlife. So of course they can't contact anyone without the help of a Kai. If there were any clue to get to Goku, Coola would have been the first one there, if he could sense ki.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 uh huh just because he could sense doesnt mean he would be there first, cooler is amused by goku's power and would rather see him in action before he dies
Excutor231 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 wow that does not explain anything, cooler seems to let his men do his work first and then try for himself he his man cant handle it.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel Excellent point. You just showed that Coola can't sense. If he could, why would he need his men to determent how strong they are?
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 he would need his man to toy with them
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel If Coola could sense, he wouldn't have let he men go in. Because he would have known that Piccolo would be too much for them.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Your still not getting it, either he could or couldnt, that doesnt explain why he cant sense b/c he let his men attacked first.I would hate to give u another example b/c u would just jump on that w/o staying on topic.Bojack and his crew members,he let them fight gohan and the other z warriors first even though he knew what was gohan about but too bad he couldnt sense gohan was holdin back so much power.There
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel 1. Bojack isn't the topic. 2. Bojack isn't the same race as Coola. And you accuse me of getting off topic. You still haven't shown any proof that Coola can sens. He never even talked about being able to detect ki. There
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Ik bojack isnt the topic its just something to relate to, and just b/c he isnt the same race doesnt mean he cant sense.Ive shown you proof like so many times and he never did talked about he could sense ki.So there and there
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel He's also not the same character. What proof? When did he ever show that he could sense?
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Wtf?? not the same character wow I didnt know that....how bout watch the part when goku went kaioken to attack cooler.Cooler just stood still and then he turn his head right a sec before goku attacked and then he backhand punch him.As i see it, you can call that super hearing/fast eye movement or sensing. I would go with sensing and u can go with hearing or w/e.Happy?
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel (Sarcasm) Nice Oh and by the way. Regarding that attack Coola was able to counter. LOL Nice try. But Freeza did the same thing. Remember when Goku was hiding on the other side of huge rock. Freeza looked behind him and punched through that rock. Assuming he was still there. Fail again. Predicting someone's movements isn't sensing.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 By sensing goku he was able to counter.I do remember Frieza doing that and cooler didnt assumed, he knew
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel And you would know that because you created the story? LOL So when Freeza does something like that, it's nothing, but when Coola hits an attacking Goku, it is sensing? Double-standard much. Sorry but that's not how it goes. Not to mention that Coola, in his final form was faster than Goku.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 All being in his final form means hes stronger and faster than goku,not smarter meaning to predict something before goku does is thinking ahead of goku.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel Freeza many times displayed similar feats. But we all know that he can't sense. Now you are basing you belief on 1 scene. Another thing you might want to remember. The first punch that Goku landed on Coola was hidden behind the bolder that was crossing their path. If Coola could sense he would have moved out of the way.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 But ofc u have to have the last say in things, i would say goku was faster than coolers reaction but hey, we think differently
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
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TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
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@DionLaurent1 He cant sense ki, he can, fine....you have been able to present ur evidence well and im sure u think the same for me if not oh well.Im sure we can have our own thoughts.Truths?
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel Alright Truce.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 fuck
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Truce
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Can you say truce one more time so ill be sure
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
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@TheAnthemXAngel Alright Truce.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Ty,nice vids btw
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel Thanks. They're pretty controversial.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Indeed they are
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 oh sht dude,search "ki sense" on google or w/e.After that click on the first link that says Ki Sense - Dragon Ball Wiki, and scroll down to the category notes and then go down to where a sentence starts at "Though Frieza and....." yea.....
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel Wow, now you are using Wiki? Coola never used Instant Transmission. Only his robots did. If he could use Instant Transmission, he would have used it before hitting the sun. Yeah, I'm sure you just accidentally stumbled across that. LOL
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Dont read the stuff in parenthesis
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 thats not the proof b/c that doesnt make any sense,we know he didnt used that technique
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Well anthem is a prick but he i hate to admit it,he got you there
Excutor231 1 year ago
@Excutor231 No he didn't. He's using what the Meta Coolas are able to do as a way to claim that Coola can do the same. Coola never used Instant Transmission, a technique that requiters sensing. Only his Meta Coolas did.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 excutor is not talking about meta coolers abilities.Unlike you he kept reading, he didnt stop at the first parenthesis.And besides, the first sentence said frieza and king cold cant sense but cooler can
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 The dbz company was never accurate about these kinds of stuff in the shows.The episodes and the movies are not enough information sometimes to explain things.You can come up a way to retaliate that information on that wiki as much as u like but u know the truth now.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel Sorry, but showing me a link to an unofficial site, where anyone can edit isn't truth. Coola never used Instant Transmission. Only his Meta Coolas did. And yeah, I read it all. Funny how they don't explain why Coola never is seen using this move, only his mechanical doppelgangers.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 -Sigh- the site is sure editted, but out of all the information,u would say cooler cant sense lol...We all know he never used instant transmission in the first movie so dont point that out again.Yeah they only show meta cooler detecting ki but despite the clues they gave u in the show.Cooler didnt have on a scouter and why would he learn how to hide is own energy,control it etc if he couldnt sense others.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel Well, I have friends and family members who watched the show longer than I did. And they agree with me. Funny how you wanted a truce only to come running back the moment you think you have irrefutable evidence to support your thoughts. And the show never never gave any clues. Nor did the movie. Oh so other stuff on Wiki can be change, but not the stuff that you agree with. LOL Ironic how you and Excutor231 come back at the same time. Sensing is developed through fights on earth
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 I guess i believe your family having a say in this matter but i wont ever know that.yeah that was a bitch move to come back with that evidence and yes,the movie did give evidence and the show does not have anything to do with this because cooler wasnt never shown except in gt maybe.yeah dude that stuff is factual and the other can maybe be reworded or the wiki can add more.sensing can be developed but if u didnt know, goku learned that technique by drinking the ultra divine water.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel You are the one who brought up the show, not me. And regarding the way Goku obtained the ability. How did the other gain it? Through training and battle. But that has very little to do with this anyway.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Yea im the one who brought the show up,so? I was talking about how the comapny wasnt accurate on a few subjects,movie,shows you name it.The others did get thier ability by training and battling so...
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel So, don't get mad when I address what you bring up. And regarding Coola not having a scouter. I am so glad you brought that up. King Cold didn't have a scouter. So by your logic, King Cold should be able to sense too. LOL Sorry, that's not how it works.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Lol i wasnt mad.Nor did mecha frieza had a a scouter but he could detect with the mechanical part of him,idk.King cold didnt have a scouter too but he couldnt sense even though they never said he couldnt.King Cold thinks he better than anyone in anyway u can describe it so him having a scouter would say he cant sense anything like his henchmen.Having a scouter on king cold would cramp is style a bit,would u think?
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel But King Cold doesn't have any mechanical parts. LOL Well perhaps Coola saw himself the same way. After all he was stronger than Freeza. So that too could explain why Coola didn't have a scouter. Not really. Especially considering he is wearing the same protective armor as his men. If he thought of himself as so powerful, there would me no need for the armor either.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Dont see why the mechanical has something to do with cold even when i said that about frieza.King cold wasnt stronger than frieza,frieza was but in anyway king cold thinks he is better than the whole universe.King cold also had a cape on symbolizing he is the leader/boss.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel mOnce again, you bring up a point, then when I address it, you reply with "I don't know what that has to do with anything." LOL If you don't want me to bring it up, don't address it. Oh please. When Freeza first appeared, he didn't have a scouter either. What excuse are you going to make for him. The weakest in the family.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 I dont have a problem of you adressing anything i might bring up and when i said "dont see why the mechanical has something to do....." that really didnt have anything to do with king cold b/c i was trying to talk about mecha frieza before u use him as an excuse for not having a scouter,not that excuses are bad or anything i was just getting ahead of you.When frieza first appear are you talking about his arrival on earth or on planet namek?
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel But you used it as a reason for why Freeza didn't have a scouter. And you did that to sport why King Cold didn't have 1. Really, I see the comments you make and the things you try to imply. Sorry to disappoint you, but Freeza didn't have a scouter when he first appeared on planet Namek. LOL Someone has forgotten things.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 im gunna ignore the upper part of ur comment and the last sentence and ima move on to frieza to be fair.Please tell me what episode when he didnt have a scouter on planet namek or describe the episode.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel No, When he FIRST appeared on Namek, he didn't have on a scouter. I don't know how clear I have to be. And if you want, I'll be more than happy to show you the episode.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Sure
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 show me?
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel w w w . watch-dragonball . com Look at DBZ episode 33. LOL Done
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 ty
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 it may take awhile for me to post back b/c ill be eating,cya then
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Hey I looked up a site and i saw episode 33 but not frieza but i went to another one site and looked for frieza first appearance saw him.Are you talking about the episode when he was last seen with dodoria and zarbon?Brood of Evil
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 The last time we saw Frieza with a scouter was when he took it off to kill the Elite Saiyans and King Vegeta or maybe the bardock movie.After that you never did see him with one untill he ordered one from captain ginyu.As you can see now,the ppl who made the episodes are not very clear on some things and thats why u have to assume what happened to his scouter over the time.I assumed he lost his.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel No, Freeza didn't have one in the OVA with Bardock. Plus it has nothing to do with this. And yes, the people who made the show are not very clear. That could be why King Cold and Coola were never seen with scouters. Not because he could sense, but because they just didn't give him 1.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
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TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Exactly.I was using bardock movie as an example of the error they made for frieza and i said maybe he had one,i wasnt sure in that movie.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel Yes, and that excuse can easily be used to explain why Coola didn't have 1.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 Oh and uhh they didnt give cooler a scouter b/c he could sense
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel Sorry, there is no validity to support that.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 No,your right,no validity,but you do know he can sense
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel No he can't. And the fact that you had to resort to using wiki(LOL) Shows how much you doubt.
DionLaurent1 1 year ago
@DionLaurent1 lol wiki is a good source man especially for us but i guess this is where we say goodbye,no matter what we find later to help us.
TheAnthemXAngel 1 year ago
@TheAnthemXAngel Sorry, but it isn't. Since I know you will be back soon with another link, make sure it is a official link that shows Akira Toriyama or anyone who worked at Toei Animation confirming your beliefs. Until then, don't bother.