malasonja is a total crap you used filthy words on so many videos. Your argument is wrong if all the Muslims got to gather to flag still YouTube is not Zombies, they could certainly review the videos. We Muslims in fact welcome Jews, Christians, Atheist and other faith for dialog, debate, discussion and one to one talk in a very respectful manner where as people of the other faiths especially Christians use filthy user names to attack Islam, I can give you dozens of names if you insist.
I have never watched any of her videos so I have no idea whether she is or isn't "a total crap". Maybe she is. That is no reason to get her suspended. Filth is not illegal.
And respect must be earned. So far you're not doing a good job of that.
Frankly speaking I am not for suspending anybody because my religion doesn't teach me so. I like people like her to lie more so that I can expose her, what I don't like her is that she block replies.
25:63. and the servants of ((Allah)) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, "Peace!"
Instead, we shower them with mercy, and let them enjoy for awhile. [36:44]
I'm not sure what you mean by "let them enjoy for awhile". And when that "while" is over, then what?
Well it is a threat from God but we are advised to leave the plotters, schemers and other ignorant ones alone to continue on their path of destruction which is they love this world and forget the world hereafter, the things that they deny will be rewarded to them, they deny hell so they will get it as an eternal gift.
We have no problem with, Atheists, Agnostics, Evolutionists, Jews, Christians or anybody else. I will never flag unless it is obscene and filth. We are able to debate with Atheists or anybody else but they are the ones block or run.
And what gives you the right to decide what is "obscene" or, even vaguer, "filth"?
Hate? Yes. Incitement to violence? Certainly. Flag it. But just because it's "obscene" or "filthy"? Why? If you find something "obscene" or "filthy", don't watch it. If you find it insulting, don't watch it. If you're offended by it, DO NOT WATCH IT. But if it makes you scared, flag it.
Hate? Yes. Incitement to violence? Certainly. Flag it. But just
We are not Atheists, we are not commanded to be dumb, deaf and blind. We are commanded to forbid what is wrong and enjoin what is right. If we follow the same attitude that you follow, we wouldn't be Muslims and we would be following the Secular laws of the Secular West like the Chr5istians, people like you. If anybody attacks us it hurts us and we will respond. conti
I agree. Even if I disagree with an agnostic, an atheist, a Muslim, or another Christian, it doesn't mean their voice shouldn't be heard. This is pretty cowardly.
Surely part of the problem is that YouTube itself has been suspended by various national governments - China? Pakistan? for religious or other reasons. These are suppressive govts who operate internal censorship and feel entitled to operate Internet censorship. Whether atheist or Christian we are way ahead of them, hence these problems. YouTube will only get interested and do something when it affects its circulation globally.
....FakeSagan...put out a vid on this very subject 10 months ago...information on a group of muslins organized to flag others.....its listed under......Fuck Islam...
That's the problem, though. We're all happy to speak up when "our" clique is under attack. But when muslim videos are being flagged undeservedly and muslim YouTubers are being suspended, that is exactly when we should be speaking out in their defense. I want to talk with muslims, not silence them.
Indeed. The problem is the religion, not the religious. As Ingersoll put it, "I do not hate the man who has the rheumatism. I hate the rheumatism when it has a man."
If someone is thinking of closing their youtube account and have only innocent videos with no offensive content whatsoever. Consider testing if you will be suspended by starting a mass flagging campaign against all your videos, just to check if it is true that they do not check the videos being flagged.
The reason for the rather pointed comments about blocking directed at Mr. Duck1987 are because he 5 starred your video, and yet has used blocking on me in what I feel is a rather illegitimate way (though again, not like flagging). It would seem he see no irony supporting anti-flagging, and yet, blocking a person in mid argument on one of his videos making legitimate counterpoints, and doing so after he has responded, but before I could respond back.
I'm sorry but I find this to be cowardly and close-minded behavior. I'm also sorry to be spamming this all over your video comments but my frustration leaves me little recourse in communicating to him how wrongheaded I think this hypocrisy is. Maybe it was a little on topic with what you were addressing (mindset anyway), but I apologize if dragging MY drama on to your video post was unwanted.
Nah, it's ok. I don't know what your discussion was about, but I do remember starting off on the wrong foot with Duck1987 myself. I blocked him, but then he replied to one of my comments on somebody else's video, I got talking to him and then I unblocked him again. But I don't know what happened between you two so I don't know whether that's something worth trying.
It is good you are bringing up that all communities on YT need to guard against (and can suffer from) this non-sense that stifles open communications on YT. I agree. That would be open and free communications Duck1987.
I would have agreed if everyone played by the rules but the truth is that some ppl will not stop flagging our videos (I'm an atheist) and even in real life they use tactics that our human rights don't allow and pointing it out to them won't help but playing by the rules with ppl who don't is only going to make us lose the battle... I don't even need to mention the group in question they will recognize themselves. Human rights or in the realm of YT videos flagging policies need to be reciprocal.
You don't resolve conflict by sinking to the same level as your "enemies". If one responds to some opponents' failure to play the game fairly by starting to cheat oneself, one only participates in spoiling the game for everyone, especially the decent folk on all sides of the debate.
Suppose the whole world agrees that when you have a fight you bind one hand behind your back and only use the remaining hand to fight. Everyone would always have agreed and suddenly one group emerges who doesn't play by the rules and never will. Wouldn't it be wise to also break the rule when dealing with that particular opponent as otherwise you'd always be weaker than them? This is the case with islam today. (couldn't resist naming them eventually)
Islam has about a billion followers. If one million of them are rabid hate-filled extremists, they can cause plenty of riots, damage, violence and mayhem, in lots of countries, on a continual basis. And yet, that would be only 0.1% of all muslims. Don't tar them all with the same brush.
There is a simulation which uses full and empty boxes to represent international trade or interpersonal relations or YT videos. You can give your contacts either type of box but best results for everyone come when you normally give full boxes but punish an empty box by returning an empty box, once, followed again by full boxes and so on. I feel this must be valid somehow here!!
Blocking is different from flagging. I'm quite happy to block people myself if all they do is spout nonsense on my channel without presenting decent arguments. But I wouldn't then go and flag those people's videos or engage in attempts to get them removed from YouTube.
I don't disagree with you at all that flagging is quite different from blocking. Flagging campaigns are an Evil thing and have absolutely no justification. Blocking on the other hand is a legitimate tool to keep harassing, non-communicative contacts on YT to a minimum. If I left the impression I believe blocking is equivalent to flagging campaigns, I apoligize.
The only flagging I have done has been rare and limited to attempts to oppress or humiliate one group of humans, i.e. hate videos. I think I've only flagged about 3 or less videos my entire time here on YT. Excellent video.
Exactly. When it actually becomes an attempt to oppress, incite hatred, threats of violence, etcetera, then flagging is very appropriate indeed. But other than that a person should have the right to express their opinion, even if it is unpalatable. They'll get enough criticism for it if it really isn't right, and that shouldn't be suppressed either.
I agree with you 100%!! Thank you! EVERYONE should just STOP buying into the flagging system created by YT. It is pathetic!! In my opinion it is a system which causes & encourages cyber bullying & harrassment! Those sisters that have been suspended were also against flagging .. so why did they get flagged? Half of us hadn't even heard of that atheist who got suspended, so its just random flagging of anyone the finger gets pointed at! We should all stop buying into the BS system that eats us all!
i never flag anything unless its really nasty abuse directed at any religious groups. i will also flag vidz that insult other nations. such as savage "Nationalist" vidz from whatever quarter.
Not even abuse deserves flagging. Only when this carries over into an actual incitement to cause damage, exclusion, violence, or actual threats of same, then flagging is appropriate indeed.
Respect for someone as a person has to be earned yes, i agree. But being respectful to someones religion, no matter what religion, someones race etc, is in my opinion the normal thing to do, and the decent thing to do.
It serves no good to cross these lines of decency, and it doesn't lead us to positive results. So why do it, and why SHOULD people accept insults etc? The only thing asked is not to cross EVERY line. Some things just have to respected. The world would be a nicer place that way.
I disagree. A religion needs to earn respect just like a person would. Yes, you can treat people of all religions courteously, but there is absolutely no need to respect, for example, a religion that insists the earth is 6,000 years old, it is flat, or that the moon is made of green cheese.
Hahaha, (don't mean to be sarcastic, but this example you gave was funny), i don't think there is such a religion: "Moon made of green cheese",Lol, you have a creative imagination my friend.
You have your opinion i have mine. So be it.
One thing we do agree about is we don't like this flaggingharrasment. :), so we can call it the day, we do have 1 thing we agree about! My best wishes to you my friend!
The problem is not the fact people disagree with eachother, that is ; that shouldn't be a problem, everybody is in title to his/her opinion. The problem is the abuse of freedom of speech. The discusting disrespect everybody can see in some video's or comments or profiles. THIS kind of disrespect should not be tollerated by YT, and YT should check this just as they say they would in their policy. If Yt would check this, this flaggingharrasment would not have taken place to this extend.
Disrespect is just that - disrespect. I have no problem whatsoever with insulting language, foul language, stupid comments, even stating very colourfully how much to absolutely despise and hate someone. All of that is fine. It definitely reflects badly on the person doing it, but it shouldn't be reason for anyone to be suspended. It's when it spills over into incitement to hatred or violence, or actual threats when a video crosses the line, and then I would be in favour of flagging.
Don't know. Thankfully I've never been the victim of this myself. I feel we should be able to disagree with each other, even engage in heated debate, without us starting to resort to such cowardly tactics. And nobody is right to do this, Muslims aren't, Christians aren't, and Atheists aren't either. It destroys the YouTube experience for everyone.
I was under the impression that youtube screened it's flags personally. If it's some bot counting flags, that's ridiculous. Regardless, wouldn't YT let the suspendee know why they were suspended? If so, maybe they have some justification. IDK. Anyone here been suspended?
Naw, youtube is hella big, I do understand why they have an automated system.
They reinstated friggin VenonFangX, apparently, but not malasonja. People have made several videos explaining all of this, but I personally am still confused.
Well, there was a flagging campaign after he made anti-Islam videos.
So, not really for any reason, just another victim of the automated system. It's just frustrating that VenomFangX was re-instated while malasonja was like, permanently banned for life.
I haven't been, no. But from those who have been I have gotten the impression that all they ever tell them is that they violated the TOS, they don't specify how, and they don't respond to requests for information. If they actually did that, the whole issue wouldn't be half as bad. One could appeal against a suspension, and have it revised.
Wouldn't that be porn? Seriously though, if she doesn't deserve to get suspended, then neither do the muslimahs I mentioned in this video. We shouldn't flag their videos any more than they should flag ours. Incitement to hatred and threats excepted of course.
Yes, we should err on the side of free speech; however, what about the muslims (and/or atheists and/or christians) who send death threats and rape threats? Quite frankly, I think those people should be worse than flagged. Somebody should file a police report on them, IMO.
Yes. Actual threats of violence or incitement to same is a very different matter. I have no problem whatsoever with people flagging that sort of a video.
I cannot think of how to stop this from happening unless youtube places some sort of quicker appeal system, or actually turns around and sets it up so that anyone flagging more than once in a day gets flagged themselves?
I doubt they will commit any more daily resource to the vlog community/ They've proved time and time again we are not a priority for theirs.
If we can come up with some solution ideas I will make a video about it or help out in any way possible.
Yes indeed. Funny that this arose just when I posted a video response to jezuzfreek777, but this is a good example of being able to identify a problem, but finding a real solution to it is a very different kettle of fish. It isn't going to be easy! Thanks
Youtube should ban people who flag too much OR each account should only be able to flag a certain number of videos per quarter..
or both..
yes, its quite troubling that people think this is the way to 'win' a debate.. regardless of whether they are atheists or of a religion, they are pretty pathetic individuals.
Yeah. I'm not sure what the "perfect" solution to the problem is. Maybe a flagged video could be given an option to be de-flagged. If enough people de-flag a flagged video, the stigma is removed. Or something like that.
.....I guess I could go and hang out at the local mosque, sniff around a little, but they would probably smell the ham on my breath....but on a serious note....cyber war is a almost invisible foe...hope they all catch the flu...
The ironic thing about the maLasonja suspension was that the videos that got her banned were videos where she exposed hater comments. So I guess in YT, there are some things that are allowed in the comments but not in a video? Or maybe YT doesn't have the resources to go after people who leave violent hateful comments.
The double irony is that it's probably the same people who left the original comments who flagged her videos when she showed their comments, and got her suspended.
This is not what the YouTube flagging system was meant for. If you can only defend your opinion, be it Muslim or atheist, by censoring those opinions different from yours, I dont think youre paticularly welcome in the 'YouTube community'.
No community or civilisation has advanced without having its ideas challenged or changed. Now is no different. Censorship is nothing but a childish, immature hinderence.
Yes. I completely agree. And there are ways to help the community identify the abusers. For example. If someone negatively rates 20 videos in the same channel on the same day that is outside of the relative range, should those rating of that user be counted? If that user continues to do this should any of his rating be counted? Curious on your opinion. Also would this be censorship or just controlling deviant statistics?
I haven't seen that, but it's just becoming a tit-for-tat exercise in kneejerking. It's got to stop. Your video should be reinstated. So should Islamic videos we may not like.
It's all a load of bloody childish nonsense. There is of course a place for flagging. Hatred and fear mongering is not acceptable whatever the source. I hope YT closes this loophole. I started a group a while back when this was brought to my attention, invited a number of people who had expressed their distress, so that a group rather than individuals could work out how to communicate effectively with YT. But no one was interested. It's better to moan apparently.
Censorship is wrong no matter what. I don't care if they are Muslim, Christian, Pagan, Atheist, or whatever. Realistically though, how would you be able to expose who is flagging peoples' accounts? I would definitely be behind that exposure as well. Good video.
If I see people bragging about how they're going to start flagging this that or the other, I'll be posting a vid exposing them as the scum that they are. That's all I can do, really.
But what can we do?
rowsdowersavesus 3 years ago
All we can do is, if we find one of our clique doing this, post a video telling them off for it.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
all i can say is that the utube flagging system sucks!!
OoReachingJannahoO 3 years ago
Amen to that
rozeboosje 3 years ago
malasonja is a total crap you used filthy words on so many videos. Your argument is wrong if all the Muslims got to gather to flag still YouTube is not Zombies, they could certainly review the videos. We Muslims in fact welcome Jews, Christians, Atheist and other faith for dialog, debate, discussion and one to one talk in a very respectful manner where as people of the other faiths especially Christians use filthy user names to attack Islam, I can give you dozens of names if you insist.
AdorIslam 3 years ago
I have never watched any of her videos so I have no idea whether she is or isn't "a total crap". Maybe she is. That is no reason to get her suspended. Filth is not illegal.
And respect must be earned. So far you're not doing a good job of that.
What "filthy words" do I use? On how many videos?
rozeboosje 3 years ago
rozeboosje
Frankly speaking I am not for suspending anybody because my religion doesn't teach me so. I like people like her to lie more so that I can expose her, what I don't like her is that she block replies.
25:63. and the servants of ((Allah)) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, "Peace!"
Instead, we shower them with mercy, and let them enjoy for awhile. [36:44]
voiceofreasoning 3 years ago
Glad to hear it, although I'd like to see the verse in the Quran where it says "thou shalt not cause anybody to be suspended at YouTube" :-)
I'm not sure what you mean by "let them enjoy for awhile". And when that "while" is over, then what?
rozeboosje 3 years ago
rozeboosje
I'm not sure what you mean by "let them enjoy for awhile". And when that "while" is over, then what?
Well it is a threat from God but we are advised to leave the plotters, schemers and other ignorant ones alone to continue on their path of destruction which is they love this world and forget the world hereafter, the things that they deny will be rewarded to them, they deny hell so they will get it as an eternal gift.
voiceofreasoning 3 years ago
And you're blocked.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
This could all be resolved by YouTube creating a better system than the one currently in use. It's crap.
desioner 3 years ago
Yes, but until then, all we have is vigilance
rozeboosje 3 years ago
It would be so easy to implement:
"Your account has exceeded its flagging limit."
CognitiveDisonance 3 years ago
Not bad
rozeboosje 3 years ago
We have no problem with, Atheists, Agnostics, Evolutionists, Jews, Christians or anybody else. I will never flag unless it is obscene and filth. We are able to debate with Atheists or anybody else but they are the ones block or run.
AdorIslam 3 years ago
They? Does that include me so?
And what gives you the right to decide what is "obscene" or, even vaguer, "filth"?
Hate? Yes. Incitement to violence? Certainly. Flag it. But just because it's "obscene" or "filthy"? Why? If you find something "obscene" or "filthy", don't watch it. If you find it insulting, don't watch it. If you're offended by it, DO NOT WATCH IT. But if it makes you scared, flag it.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
rozeboosje
Hate? Yes. Incitement to violence? Certainly. Flag it. But just
We are not Atheists, we are not commanded to be dumb, deaf and blind. We are commanded to forbid what is wrong and enjoin what is right. If we follow the same attitude that you follow, we wouldn't be Muslims and we would be following the Secular laws of the Secular West like the Chr5istians, people like you. If anybody attacks us it hurts us and we will respond. conti
AdorIslam 3 years ago
When ignorant openly attack us then we are forced to reply or take a stance.(But if it makes you scared, flag it.) Of course we do that too.
AdorIslam 3 years ago
I'm not scared of you. But if you're scared of me, you're going to have to kill me. I'd rather live in peace, even if we disagree. Don't you?
rozeboosje 3 years ago
rozeboosje
I'm not scared of you. But if you're scared of me, you're going to have to kill me. I'd rather live in peace, even if we disagree. Don't you?
Scared of what?
AdorIslam 3 years ago
rozeboosje
I'm not scared of you. But if you're scared of me, you're going to have to kill me. I'd rather live in peace, even if we disagree. Don't you?
Scared of what?
AdorIslam 3 years ago
rozeboosje
I'm not scared of you. But if you're scared of me, you're going to have to kill me. I'd rather live in peace, even if we disagree. Don't you?
Scared of what?
AdorIslam 3 years ago
I don't know. But flagging people who are no threat to you sounds like something a frightened person would do.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
I agree. Even if I disagree with an agnostic, an atheist, a Muslim, or another Christian, it doesn't mean their voice shouldn't be heard. This is pretty cowardly.
CajunPunk 3 years ago
o come on i DONT believe the ytatheit community would take part in plagging campain !
DLSS 3 years ago
Not the community itself, but members of it.
lazyperfectionist1 3 years ago
thats kinda what i meant :p
aww me & words xD
there's no one in thiscommunity i can think of who'd do such a thing ... (seeing bk is off youtube :p)
DLSS 3 years ago
Surely part of the problem is that YouTube itself has been suspended by various national governments - China? Pakistan? for religious or other reasons. These are suppressive govts who operate internal censorship and feel entitled to operate Internet censorship. Whether atheist or Christian we are way ahead of them, hence these problems. YouTube will only get interested and do something when it affects its circulation globally.
auchraw 3 years ago
....FakeSagan...put out a vid on this very subject 10 months ago...information on a group of muslins organized to flag others.....its listed under......Fuck Islam...
747dog 3 years ago
That's the problem, though. We're all happy to speak up when "our" clique is under attack. But when muslim videos are being flagged undeservedly and muslim YouTubers are being suspended, that is exactly when we should be speaking out in their defense. I want to talk with muslims, not silence them.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Indeed. The problem is the religion, not the religious. As Ingersoll put it, "I do not hate the man who has the rheumatism. I hate the rheumatism when it has a man."
lazyperfectionist1 3 years ago
The best way to fight the ridiculous dogma is the question those who practice it and challenge them to show substantiation for it.
lazyperfectionist1 3 years ago
Yes, but I only see the need for that when they try to interfere in my life.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Very well put!
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Absolutely agree.Stifling free speech is always wrong whatever you think of someone elses opinion.
joeyoap 3 years ago
Thanks
rozeboosje 3 years ago
If someone is thinking of closing their youtube account and have only innocent videos with no offensive content whatsoever. Consider testing if you will be suspended by starting a mass flagging campaign against all your videos, just to check if it is true that they do not check the videos being flagged.
Censeo 3 years ago
Good idea. Is somebody thinking along those lines? I have no intention to close my account any time soon :-)
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Well said rozebooje.
oclandestin 3 years ago
Thanks
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Flagging people for a difference of opinion is an attack on freedom of speech, belief or conscience.
DieselBodine 3 years ago 2
not to mention insecure.
hydraulikz 3 years ago
Indeed
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Exactly. Thanks for stopping by, Scott!
rozeboosje 3 years ago
The reason for the rather pointed comments about blocking directed at Mr. Duck1987 are because he 5 starred your video, and yet has used blocking on me in what I feel is a rather illegitimate way (though again, not like flagging). It would seem he see no irony supporting anti-flagging, and yet, blocking a person in mid argument on one of his videos making legitimate counterpoints, and doing so after he has responded, but before I could respond back.
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politicomark 3 years ago
I'm sorry but I find this to be cowardly and close-minded behavior. I'm also sorry to be spamming this all over your video comments but my frustration leaves me little recourse in communicating to him how wrongheaded I think this hypocrisy is. Maybe it was a little on topic with what you were addressing (mindset anyway), but I apologize if dragging MY drama on to your video post was unwanted.
politicomark 3 years ago
Nah, it's ok. I don't know what your discussion was about, but I do remember starting off on the wrong foot with Duck1987 myself. I blocked him, but then he replied to one of my comments on somebody else's video, I got talking to him and then I unblocked him again. But I don't know what happened between you two so I don't know whether that's something worth trying.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
It is good you are bringing up that all communities on YT need to guard against (and can suffer from) this non-sense that stifles open communications on YT. I agree. That would be open and free communications Duck1987.
politicomark 3 years ago
I would have agreed if everyone played by the rules but the truth is that some ppl will not stop flagging our videos (I'm an atheist) and even in real life they use tactics that our human rights don't allow and pointing it out to them won't help but playing by the rules with ppl who don't is only going to make us lose the battle... I don't even need to mention the group in question they will recognize themselves. Human rights or in the realm of YT videos flagging policies need to be reciprocal.
isreasontaboo 3 years ago
You don't resolve conflict by sinking to the same level as your "enemies". If one responds to some opponents' failure to play the game fairly by starting to cheat oneself, one only participates in spoiling the game for everyone, especially the decent folk on all sides of the debate.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
I'll try to illustrate my point differently.
Suppose the whole world agrees that when you have a fight you bind one hand behind your back and only use the remaining hand to fight. Everyone would always have agreed and suddenly one group emerges who doesn't play by the rules and never will. Wouldn't it be wise to also break the rule when dealing with that particular opponent as otherwise you'd always be weaker than them? This is the case with islam today. (couldn't resist naming them eventually)
isreasontaboo 3 years ago 2
Islam has about a billion followers. If one million of them are rabid hate-filled extremists, they can cause plenty of riots, damage, violence and mayhem, in lots of countries, on a continual basis. And yet, that would be only 0.1% of all muslims. Don't tar them all with the same brush.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Great point : )
oclandestin 3 years ago
There is a simulation which uses full and empty boxes to represent international trade or interpersonal relations or YT videos. You can give your contacts either type of box but best results for everyone come when you normally give full boxes but punish an empty box by returning an empty box, once, followed again by full boxes and so on. I feel this must be valid somehow here!!
auchraw 3 years ago
:-) Sounds like a good example of a game theory strategy.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Duck1987 is a blocking little coward.
politicomark 3 years ago
Blocking is different from flagging. I'm quite happy to block people myself if all they do is spout nonsense on my channel without presenting decent arguments. But I wouldn't then go and flag those people's videos or engage in attempts to get them removed from YouTube.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
I don't disagree with you at all that flagging is quite different from blocking. Flagging campaigns are an Evil thing and have absolutely no justification. Blocking on the other hand is a legitimate tool to keep harassing, non-communicative contacts on YT to a minimum. If I left the impression I believe blocking is equivalent to flagging campaigns, I apoligize.
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politicomark 3 years ago
No worries :-)
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Don't forget the 911 Truth Movement. It's getting flagged by a bunch of Freemasons and idiots.
OperationDB 3 years ago
Never heard of that, I'm afraid.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
You didn't? It keeps getting harassed by a bunch of Bush loving multiple account making Freemason shills.
OperationDB 3 years ago
I would flag threats of violence or incitement to violence. But that is very rare indeed.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
the flagging system is definitelt flawed. they say they review the videos flagged.. i doubt it very highly that they do this.
x71isnwor 3 years ago
If they really did review them, I reckon most of these issues wouldn't arise.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
The only flagging I have done has been rare and limited to attempts to oppress or humiliate one group of humans, i.e. hate videos. I think I've only flagged about 3 or less videos my entire time here on YT. Excellent video.
mwest1234 3 years ago
Exactly. When it actually becomes an attempt to oppress, incite hatred, threats of violence, etcetera, then flagging is very appropriate indeed. But other than that a person should have the right to express their opinion, even if it is unpalatable. They'll get enough criticism for it if it really isn't right, and that shouldn't be suppressed either.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
I agree with you 100%!! Thank you! EVERYONE should just STOP buying into the flagging system created by YT. It is pathetic!! In my opinion it is a system which causes & encourages cyber bullying & harrassment! Those sisters that have been suspended were also against flagging .. so why did they get flagged? Half of us hadn't even heard of that atheist who got suspended, so its just random flagging of anyone the finger gets pointed at! We should all stop buying into the BS system that eats us all!
BoriChumba 3 years ago
Ameen Sis
TheLionsEyes 3 years ago 2
Yes indeed. Thanks for stopping by and commenting.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Exactly. Thanks!
rozeboosje 3 years ago
I have probably missed it, but how does one expose such people?
lazyperfectionist1 3 years ago
I don't know, but if I get wind of someone doing this, I'll post a video telling my viewers about it. Any other suggestions are very welcome.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Is there a way to contact YT directly? A link I've missed or an e-mail to which one can write?
lazyperfectionist1 3 years ago
i never flag anything unless its really nasty abuse directed at any religious groups. i will also flag vidz that insult other nations. such as savage "Nationalist" vidz from whatever quarter.
acerb45666555 3 years ago
Not even abuse deserves flagging. Only when this carries over into an actual incitement to cause damage, exclusion, violence, or actual threats of same, then flagging is appropriate indeed.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
It's sad some people don't have the decency to treat others with respect.
ALL of us should treat others with respect, but it's a fact; not everybody knows how to behave well.
I too hope this flagging issue will be solved, and all of us can finaly start to enjoy YT again.
a652008 3 years ago
I think everyone deserves to be treated courteously. Respect is a different matter - respect must be earned.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Respect for someone as a person has to be earned yes, i agree. But being respectful to someones religion, no matter what religion, someones race etc, is in my opinion the normal thing to do, and the decent thing to do.
It serves no good to cross these lines of decency, and it doesn't lead us to positive results. So why do it, and why SHOULD people accept insults etc? The only thing asked is not to cross EVERY line. Some things just have to respected. The world would be a nicer place that way.
a652008 3 years ago
I disagree. A religion needs to earn respect just like a person would. Yes, you can treat people of all religions courteously, but there is absolutely no need to respect, for example, a religion that insists the earth is 6,000 years old, it is flat, or that the moon is made of green cheese.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Hahaha, (don't mean to be sarcastic, but this example you gave was funny), i don't think there is such a religion: "Moon made of green cheese",Lol, you have a creative imagination my friend.
You have your opinion i have mine. So be it.
One thing we do agree about is we don't like this flaggingharrasment. :), so we can call it the day, we do have 1 thing we agree about! My best wishes to you my friend!
a652008 3 years ago
Indeed. Thanks for commenting and take care :-)
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Such nonsense! It's an established fact that the moon is made of bleu cheese! (It is spelled bleu from the French. It is stinky cheese)
MostDisgust 3 years ago
Ah. Roquefort!
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Thank you Pino. I will share your video with all those on my friend list
Juwayriyyah20 3 years ago
You're welcome. Glad to help!
rozeboosje 3 years ago
The problem is not the fact people disagree with eachother, that is ; that shouldn't be a problem, everybody is in title to his/her opinion. The problem is the abuse of freedom of speech. The discusting disrespect everybody can see in some video's or comments or profiles. THIS kind of disrespect should not be tollerated by YT, and YT should check this just as they say they would in their policy. If Yt would check this, this flaggingharrasment would not have taken place to this extend.
a652008 3 years ago
Disrespect is just that - disrespect. I have no problem whatsoever with insulting language, foul language, stupid comments, even stating very colourfully how much to absolutely despise and hate someone. All of that is fine. It definitely reflects badly on the person doing it, but it shouldn't be reason for anyone to be suspended. It's when it spills over into incitement to hatred or violence, or actual threats when a video crosses the line, and then I would be in favour of flagging.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Wat up wid this ??
LovlySaraa 3 years ago
Don't know. Thankfully I've never been the victim of this myself. I feel we should be able to disagree with each other, even engage in heated debate, without us starting to resort to such cowardly tactics. And nobody is right to do this, Muslims aren't, Christians aren't, and Atheists aren't either. It destroys the YouTube experience for everyone.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Agreed.
TheFallibleFiend 3 years ago
Thanks!
rozeboosje 3 years ago
I was under the impression that youtube screened it's flags personally. If it's some bot counting flags, that's ridiculous. Regardless, wouldn't YT let the suspendee know why they were suspended? If so, maybe they have some justification. IDK. Anyone here been suspended?
dQuarters 3 years ago
Naw, youtube is hella big, I do understand why they have an automated system.
They reinstated friggin VenonFangX, apparently, but not malasonja. People have made several videos explaining all of this, but I personally am still confused.
Roostring 3 years ago 2
What was VenomFangX suspended for, by the way? This must have happened during my vacation?
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Well, there was a flagging campaign after he made anti-Islam videos.
So, not really for any reason, just another victim of the automated system. It's just frustrating that VenomFangX was re-instated while malasonja was like, permanently banned for life.
Roostring 3 years ago
I haven't been, no. But from those who have been I have gotten the impression that all they ever tell them is that they violated the TOS, they don't specify how, and they don't respond to requests for information. If they actually did that, the whole issue wouldn't be half as bad. One could appeal against a suspension, and have it revised.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Well, that blows. I hope they adjust it. Mass flagging is far too easy.
dQuarters 3 years ago
She was on MaLasonja6 the last time I checked, its a shame because she made good videos(fucking muzzies).
stagism 3 years ago
Wouldn't that be porn? Seriously though, if she doesn't deserve to get suspended, then neither do the muslimahs I mentioned in this video. We shouldn't flag their videos any more than they should flag ours. Incitement to hatred and threats excepted of course.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Rofl.
stagism 3 years ago
Yes, we should err on the side of free speech; however, what about the muslims (and/or atheists and/or christians) who send death threats and rape threats? Quite frankly, I think those people should be worse than flagged. Somebody should file a police report on them, IMO.
4u57inc0v3110 3 years ago 2
Yes. Actual threats of violence or incitement to same is a very different matter. I have no problem whatsoever with people flagging that sort of a video.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
I cannot think of how to stop this from happening unless youtube places some sort of quicker appeal system, or actually turns around and sets it up so that anyone flagging more than once in a day gets flagged themselves?
I doubt they will commit any more daily resource to the vlog community/ They've proved time and time again we are not a priority for theirs.
If we can come up with some solution ideas I will make a video about it or help out in any way possible.
onlywhenprovoked 3 years ago
Yes indeed. Funny that this arose just when I posted a video response to jezuzfreek777, but this is a good example of being able to identify a problem, but finding a real solution to it is a very different kettle of fish. It isn't going to be easy! Thanks
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Youtube should ban people who flag too much OR each account should only be able to flag a certain number of videos per quarter..
or both..
yes, its quite troubling that people think this is the way to 'win' a debate.. regardless of whether they are atheists or of a religion, they are pretty pathetic individuals.
TawntheAtheist 3 years ago
Yeah. I'm not sure what the "perfect" solution to the problem is. Maybe a flagged video could be given an option to be de-flagged. If enough people de-flag a flagged video, the stigma is removed. Or something like that.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
.....I guess I could go and hang out at the local mosque, sniff around a little, but they would probably smell the ham on my breath....but on a serious note....cyber war is a almost invisible foe...hope they all catch the flu...
747dog 3 years ago
That's Jews.
They'll smell the beef for sure, though :P
dQuarters 3 years ago
Jews and Muslims both aren't supposed to eat pork.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Yeah. But that's why I hope YouTube takes this seriously.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
When the going gets tough.. surrender. That's my motto!
ThinkIGiveAShit 3 years ago
We will fight them on the beaches....
rozeboosje 3 years ago
...as soon as we finish this cognac.
lazyperfectionist1 3 years ago
flagged.
0neironaut 3 years ago
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0neironaut 3 years ago
LOL
rozeboosje 3 years ago
The ironic thing about the maLasonja suspension was that the videos that got her banned were videos where she exposed hater comments. So I guess in YT, there are some things that are allowed in the comments but not in a video? Or maybe YT doesn't have the resources to go after people who leave violent hateful comments.
The double irony is that it's probably the same people who left the original comments who flagged her videos when she showed their comments, and got her suspended.
CousinoMacul 3 years ago 2
That's pretty sad...
rozeboosje 3 years ago
btw Pino, did you see that LiveLeak was forced to take down Fitna because their staff was getting too many death threats?
CousinoMacul 3 years ago
Sorry, this is way over my head. Who is LiveLeak? What is Fitna?
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Fitna is that Geert Wilders video.
MushroomNinja420 3 years ago
Aha. I see.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
LiveLeak is the British video service where Geert Wilders released Fitna.
CousinoMacul 3 years ago
I see. Interesting.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
You're absolutely right, flagging from anyone is bullshit.
TheKidFrom13thStreet 3 years ago
Thanks!
rozeboosje 3 years ago
This is not what the YouTube flagging system was meant for. If you can only defend your opinion, be it Muslim or atheist, by censoring those opinions different from yours, I dont think youre paticularly welcome in the 'YouTube community'.
No community or civilisation has advanced without having its ideas challenged or changed. Now is no different. Censorship is nothing but a childish, immature hinderence.
Clutchology 3 years ago
Exactly.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Yes. I completely agree. And there are ways to help the community identify the abusers. For example. If someone negatively rates 20 videos in the same channel on the same day that is outside of the relative range, should those rating of that user be counted? If that user continues to do this should any of his rating be counted? Curious on your opinion. Also would this be censorship or just controlling deviant statistics?
RosieDesire 3 years ago
I'd say the lines between such things are very blurry indeed, but clear abuse can be recognised and should be dealt with.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
My Islamic Culture video just got taken down. Surprise, surprise.
tanascheel 3 years ago
I haven't seen that, but it's just becoming a tit-for-tat exercise in kneejerking. It's got to stop. Your video should be reinstated. So should Islamic videos we may not like.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
It's all a load of bloody childish nonsense. There is of course a place for flagging. Hatred and fear mongering is not acceptable whatever the source. I hope YT closes this loophole. I started a group a while back when this was brought to my attention, invited a number of people who had expressed their distress, so that a group rather than individuals could work out how to communicate effectively with YT. But no one was interested. It's better to moan apparently.
Loreleila 3 years ago
Yeah. Well, we got to keep trying.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Of course. If you want the 'group' (that never really was), let me know, and I'll hand it over. You're a better rallier of men than I. :P
Loreleila 3 years ago
That might be interesting, Cathy. I'm not sure what I might be able to do with a group, but I'll think about it.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Censorship is wrong no matter what. I don't care if they are Muslim, Christian, Pagan, Atheist, or whatever. Realistically though, how would you be able to expose who is flagging peoples' accounts? I would definitely be behind that exposure as well. Good video.
IHaveEpilepsy 3 years ago
If I see people bragging about how they're going to start flagging this that or the other, I'll be posting a vid exposing them as the scum that they are. That's all I can do, really.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
rozeboosje: Yes and we all should look
for these flaggers. I will.
maurieer 3 years ago
Thanks
rozeboosje 3 years ago