This is the HISTORY OF THE MUSIC BIZZ FOLKS! I know the story as I was conned repeatedly too and it is the constant from decade to decade! I don't think there's an honest agent or manager or music lawyer out there!
Friggin Flo & Eddie...................... Gotta love the American Way huh? As long as you're on the dishonest side! You can make a little money. Not for this Man. Just check out the Badfinger deal.......... Two guys killed themselves over that one. No excuse but the rich do get richer. OK, I am not a Communist.... I Just like what's right for honest people. & Blah blah..............
I LOVE this! Turtles, you deserved SO MUCH MORE! If you only had a nickle for every time I've played and sung one of your tunes--well, you guys could probably retire on that amount alone. Sorry there are so many rat-humpers in this world. Bless you for ALL the fantastic music and happy times you gave me. (Did you know women really enjoy getting romantic on your tunes. Must be all the positive vibes, man!) All the best!
Love you, Turtles!!! "You Baby" just doesn't quit! "You Showed Me" is soooo mellow and soothing I think listening to it and singing along lowers my heart rate-I'll live longer, I know in my heart, because of great music-so much to say-Vanity Faire, Nino Tempo, the T Bones...Man the 60's was it!
You know this is funny because they present it as being humorous fashoion ...BUT, when all this was going down and all they wanted to do is make music and get paid for it it wasn't funny.
....but, it is so typical of what was going on back then.
It's just as crooked today ...but with different type of individuals.
@natillegal Yes, there's another comment further down that suggests they operate almost like a married couple, blending their conversation into one smooth thread, as one mind. Truly great love here.
My name is Megan Utley. Bill Utley was my grandfather.. aka manager numero uno. he passed a few yrs ago.. anything particularly nice you can tell me about him?
@MegUtley1 No, he was just as conniving as all the rest of the managers... but I do like how it ends with them getting Utley to drop the case then screwing him by breaking up.
I have been in this business as long as these guys and my hat is off to them.
I know Howie and he is one sharp dude...
I am glad they got their rights back to them .. and your father should have dealt off the top of the deck with them from the git go.
@HistoryofTek No doubt they are very cool people. No doubt they have seen this video clip here and allowed it to stay up, for which I am extremely grateful. I've *SO* enjoyed hosting this video for the last 4 years.
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This is part of a documentary done on the history of The Turtles that came out in '91 (I think), and is a must see for any fan of the band. Not only is it interesting, it's hilarious at times. Howard and Mark are really cool guys...able to laugh off the bad situations they encountered while they were young men.
that certainly is a bit of bad luck...i think its understandable though...it was a different world back then...I hope Frank treated them a little better. these days im lucky to get a gig that pays....let alone a manager that does Any thing! different world....Go flo and eddie may you be happy together...and have payed the dets back....
Also, I fell in love with Zappa's stuff on first listen and the element you added ( I didn't even know it was you two back then) to the sound was what I found intruiging. You were always inspiring. Bless you for enduring the BS that was part of the whole scene. Looks like your rich though, with health and happiness - I hope so. Everyone talks fondly of the Turtles. I like your sense of wit and you never overdid that in your songs, just enough. The Turtles; Genius, or lucky? I say genius!
You two are terrific... you and ernie Maresca are heros to me...thanks for your fantastic songs and thanks for keeping the old spark alive with your tours - it really uplifts people, I hope you know that. People from back then feel bad about the world nowadays and you are like a big breast giving us nutrients when you play and tour. I'm glad you artists from back then started touring again. It's also encouraging when I see today's teens comment on the old stuff and wish they grew up in the day.
These guys played for my college homecoming back in '68. They were amazing for in addition to their own stuff, they could sound like ANY band popular at that time. They played for us as "The Turtles" but soon after, because of the lawsuits, they were forbidden to call themselves that AND they were even forbidden to use their OWN names! They became Flo and Eddy, and started playing with Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention.
Ha! I filmed that, back in the late 80's, when I worked for Rhino! It's weird to accidentally bump into something you filmed--Mark and Howard were really nice guys--we also interviewed Ray Manzerak, Stephen Stills with Graham Nash and a bunch of other people for that documentary--I"m gonna look...
I love the way Howard keeps saying "Man!" like an aging hippie. "Man", did he age quickly. He's only 43 in that video. I guess it was all the drugs that did it.
I love them Turtles, and this is really tragic! You guys Rock! I can relate because I had a similar issue, but they are making money and I'm just sitting here in my pad!
OMG, what a shame. I love your songs. Unfortunately, this scenario happens to other groups. Sorry this happened to you, but I'm glad you have a sense of humor. 5 Stars on your video.
nice job guys, will you be my managers? just kidding. lots of vultures in those days, i think grand funk couldn't legally play their own material from their first three albums. crazy shit. capitalism, ain't it great? one thing all artists should know, business is just a legal way to steal money. write it down, it's the truth. watch your back and trust no one. peace.
Manager #1 was BILL UTTLEY. He was the one suing them for millions. He owned a club and "got big" later on as they say by managing Steppenwolf and Three Dog Night. (actually the Turtles' first manager was LA deejay Reb Foster, but they're clearly referring to Uttley on Manager #1.)
Manager #2 was DAVE KRAMBECK. He started out as their road manager and schemed them into making him their regular manager. He's the one who ran off to Mexico with Jim Pons' wife.
I hope that I can keep such a wonderful sense of humor and enthusiasm when my manager rips out my heart and hands it back to me on a plate! Very funny, very enlightening, and a nice look into the dog-eat-dog nature of the handling industry.
And, if I may... I guess your managers and yourselves weren't exactly so happy together.
hi guys,, look up gabriel {the band from seattle} I am hoping that I am the only person left with enough brains to say to you.. I am the choir you are not only preaching to,, but the choir you never had to join, .. google cary fly .. i dare you .. by the way all of us (northwest band guys) are probably your biggest fans.. we were your warmup act at kennedy pavillion in spokane , I think , what , '73? '74? '72?? we were called sleepy john..
Hi Turtles.. what a nightmare! I hope you guys are getting all the money you deserve now. I'm from L.A. and used to go see you guys perform all the time..You were a great act! I'm so sorry you went through this... but, glad you haven't lost your senses of humor..I hope. Thanks for the good music!
OMG!! I LOVE YOU GUYS!! God Bless You!! I am so sorry this happened to you.... just not fair. I wondered where you had gone all those years! I hate the music industry!!!! What a story... Well I am a singer songwriter and this is why I can't get anywhere with my music. BTW,Something quite similar happened to The KINKS also!!
PLEASE DONT READ THIS. YOU WILL GET KISSED ON THE NEAREST POSSIBLE FRIDAY BY THE LOVE OF YOUR LIFE. TOMORROW WILL BE THE BEST DAY OF YOUR LIFE. HOWEVER IF YOU DONT POST THIS COMMENT TO AT LEAST 3 VIDEOS YOU WILL DIE WITHIN 2 DAYS. NOW UV STARTED READIN DIS DUNT STOP THIS IS SO SCARY. SEND THIS OVER TO 5 VIDEOS IN 143 MINUTES WHEN UR DONE PRESS F6 AND UR CRUSHES NAME WILL APPEAR ON THE SCREEN IN BIG LETTERS. THIS IS SO SCARY BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY WORKs
This was just great and says a lot about them that they can be so humourous about stuff which must have worried them at the time. A lot of the British Sixties groups were also rucked - Animals, Yardbirds, Small Faces to name but a few. Thanks for posting.
The Turtles with Flo and Eddie still tour! Check out Hippiefest this year. If you love their music but haven't seen this band, you're missing about half the FUN! They sing like angels and act like demons.
Been a Turtles fan from the 60's, and had no idea all this had gone on. So sorry you had such problems, and no one you could truly trust. I am happy you have kept your good nature, and great wit. We do hope that despite all this awful stuff, you will still continue to sing those wonderful songs.Thanks for sharing with your fans and keep up your great smiles and caring hearts.Peace and Luv,Debbie
These guys are truly beautiful, they would help anyone out. Thanks to you both for your wisdom and chilldom and forgiveness not to mention your wonderful talent.
I love the Turtles, always will. If you get a chance check them out doing "Eve of Destruction". Very, very cool. Rock on guys. Great work with The Mothers also.
I got one for you all, if you did not know it...They were doing great backing vocals on T-Rex albums, begginning with the album entitled T-Rex, then the big seller Electric Warrior, then The Slider. And they made the songs fantastic. They were brilliant at doing their job on them.
Do I hear TURTLES come back tour????????? You guys need to play music and leave the white boards to the professionals. Or have it all ready laid out and just work with a pointer. Love the music of the Turtles.
HAHAH! MAN THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO! I'VE BEEN TELLING BANDS, MUSICIANS, AND ARTIST'S THIS FOR YEARS! I've been as honest to any and all of them as anyone could ever be. I've pointed THESE things out to them myself. Not only as a writer, but a musician and label. GUESS WHO THEY'VE NEVER TRUSTED?! AGAIN THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO! PLEASE DON'T REMOVE IT! IT IN IT'S SELF'S WORTH A FEW MILLION!
DONT READ THIS. YOU WILL GET KISSED ON THE NEAREST POSSIBLE FRIDAY BY THE LOVE OF YOUR LIFE. TOMORROW WILL BE THE BEST DAY OF YOUR LIFE. HOWEVER IF YOU DONT POST THIS COMMENT TO AT LEAST 3 VIDEOS YOU WILL DIE WIHTIN 2 DAYS. NOW UV STARTED READIN DIS DUNT STOP THIS IS SO SCARY. SEND THIS OVER TO 5 VIDEOS IN 143 MINUTES WHEN UR DONE PRESS F6 AND UR CRUSHES NAME WILL APPEAR ON THE SCREEN IN BIG LETTERS. THIS IS SO SCARY Cuz IT ACTUALLY THIS reaLLY WORKS!!!!!
The Turtles are the one of most underrated band in the history of perhaps mankind, along with X and Syd Barrett. I heart the Turtles, though. The Turtles Present Battle of the Bands is an amazing album.
Manager number 3!!! I AM manager NUMBER 3 and I would be glad to name every name Mark and Howard alluded to that I know. I did the best job I could with five guys who were high 24/7. I don`t remember getting $25,000 from them. But then, they probably don`t either.
Sniff, boo hoo. Where is Manager number 3's response? who's Number 2 in Mexico? Who's "Lawyer"? Who's Number 6 Big TV star??? at least? You promised:(
Its 5 in the morning,im bumbed cause my dog died yesterday,cant sleep,so I stumble on this...holy crap is this funny,probably true but funny none the less,thanks Flo and Eddy for...Cheerin' me up?
Sorry about your dog! :-( My late husband was a contemporary of these guys - Oz Bach of Spanky and Our Gang. Oz always said changing agents is like changing deck chairs on the Titanic. I rest my case!
Oh CRAP! I love the "Then we break up!" part! Ingenious and sad at the same time. Ingenious because they got that lawsuit out of the way, sad because they were forced to break up to do it.
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The Turtles broke up before Mark and Howard joined the Mothers. However, for legal reasons, they first appeared on Chunga's Revenge as The Phlorescent Leech and Eddie.
Great video for musicians! Get a contract and get a lawyer that's good and is really on your side to check managers out. Gotta do your research and homework before you sign with anyone. Glad they made it. These guys worked with Zappa after their horrific music business journey.
sounds like a lot of drugs and bad decision. They needed to get a lawyer from the get go or a reputable manager. who hires the night club owner to manage you? thats a bad move. I am a manager and 1 we do not touch our bands money and 2 we have contracts that allow the bands to leave if we don't meet certain expectations. That is why you look at someones history not what comes out of his mouth.
Thay ARE being very careful not to name names. I think Frank Zappa didn't manage the Turtles. I think these guys hooked up with Zappa after their Turtle days. This fiasco they say was between 1966 to 1974. Although many musicians did have a beef with Zappa, such as Wildman Fisher.
Mark and Howard were both born in 1947 and should have been about 43 years old here. Howard really aged quickly. I saw Howard and Mark at a concert in 1983; Mark was 36 but looked like he was 50 or so! Probably all the drugs from the 60's??
The crux of how the music business operates in under 5 minutes!
Some people go to Business School for FOUR YEARS, or go into show business for THIRTY YEARS to learn the exact lessons Flo and Eddie have just imparted on us all. They Rock! he moral of the story? Manage yourself until you know how its done right, get your OWN lawyer after studying Entertainment Law and hire a manager you know you can trust because you know yourself How Band Managing is Done!
This is the HISTORY OF THE MUSIC BIZZ FOLKS! I know the story as I was conned repeatedly too and it is the constant from decade to decade! I don't think there's an honest agent or manager or music lawyer out there!
JohnNiemsMusic 1 month ago
Gotta love Flo and Eddie.
maynardsmoreland 3 months ago
I still love you!
buymemakeupfirst2010 3 months ago
Mark Volman is my professor.... we watched this in class.
lydiahanie 4 months ago
@lydiahanie Does that mean you watch this particular clip on YouTube? Does Mark know this is uploaded here? You watched *THIS CLIP*?
TileNut 4 months ago
At least you guys will live forever!!
Machone67 4 months ago
managers 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 8/1. well ill be damned, the managers create the amount of notes in a major scale, even to repeat on the 8.
codyvanbuckethead 6 months ago
Friggin Flo & Eddie...................... Gotta love the American Way huh? As long as you're on the dishonest side! You can make a little money. Not for this Man. Just check out the Badfinger deal.......... Two guys killed themselves over that one. No excuse but the rich do get richer. OK, I am not a Communist.... I Just like what's right for honest people. & Blah blah..............
bowlermikey 6 months ago
basically happens all the time! noone should be trusted from now on- that's the rule!
PARHARIDOU 8 months ago
Reb Foster falls in there somewhere, right? Didn't he manage them at one point?
LZNDRDNZL 8 months ago
Somebody needs to make a documentary about bad deals famous bands made.
manhatin 9 months ago
"We are not groupies! Hey, I told Robert Planet, I told Elton John...Roger Daltery never laid a hand on me!"
fkappreciative 9 months ago
@fkappreciative
Do you like my new car? at the Filmore East... Hilarious.
Stemma3 4 months ago
I LOVE this! Turtles, you deserved SO MUCH MORE! If you only had a nickle for every time I've played and sung one of your tunes--well, you guys could probably retire on that amount alone. Sorry there are so many rat-humpers in this world. Bless you for ALL the fantastic music and happy times you gave me. (Did you know women really enjoy getting romantic on your tunes. Must be all the positive vibes, man!) All the best!
blindichi 9 months ago 2
Love you, Turtles!!! "You Baby" just doesn't quit! "You Showed Me" is soooo mellow and soothing I think listening to it and singing along lowers my heart rate-I'll live longer, I know in my heart, because of great music-so much to say-Vanity Faire, Nino Tempo, the T Bones...Man the 60's was it!
Thanks again, Turtles!!!
SteveB801 10 months ago
Does anybody have the names of all these managers, preferably in the order they occurred?
JeepRuby101 10 months ago
weird ,Flo has aged a lot and Eddie hasn't at all
mansfieldmick 1 year ago
@mansfieldmick You have it backwards... Howard is Eddie, Mark is Flo.
zbestwun2001 11 months ago
You know this is funny because they present it as being humorous fashoion ...BUT, when all this was going down and all they wanted to do is make music and get paid for it it wasn't funny.
....but, it is so typical of what was going on back then.
It's just as crooked today ...but with different type of individuals.
zbestwun2001 1 year ago
why is this funny? im still laughing!!! =] "sue sue-ing us, still sueing"
they work of well together.
I love these men!
natillegal 1 year ago
@natillegal Yes, there's another comment further down that suggests they operate almost like a married couple, blending their conversation into one smooth thread, as one mind. Truly great love here.
TileNut 1 year ago
HI FLO AND EDDIE, we're still here. DWEEZIL played ALBANY on Beethoven's birthday. Happy XMAS!
reidwalldrippy 1 year ago
American capitalism at its "finest."
frostellie 1 year ago
Hillarious.
Nokorola 1 year ago
a damn shame.
The music industry has been fucked up since day one :/
happykyle49 1 year ago
My name is Megan Utley. Bill Utley was my grandfather.. aka manager numero uno. he passed a few yrs ago.. anything particularly nice you can tell me about him?
MegUtley1 1 year ago
@MegUtley1 No, he was just as conniving as all the rest of the managers... but I do like how it ends with them getting Utley to drop the case then screwing him by breaking up.
I have been in this business as long as these guys and my hat is off to them.
I know Howie and he is one sharp dude...
I am glad they got their rights back to them .. and your father should have dealt off the top of the deck with them from the git go.
zbestwun2001 1 year ago
Who is manager #6, the big TV star???
harrietcow 1 year ago
@harrietcow Read through some of the back comments. One theory is it's Dick Clark.
TileNut 1 year ago
Brilliant! A stunning example of why I'm glad to be way too stupid to understand the Music Biz. So happy together.
art101tv 1 year ago
Excellent video! Ah the wonderful world of the music business!
ballstomonty 1 year ago
this is just a classic....thank you posting this....
HistoryofTek 1 year ago
@HistoryofTek I would also like to thank The Turtles for allowing this to stay up.
TileNut 1 year ago
@TileNut Howard Kaylan is very cool......
HistoryofTek 1 year ago
@HistoryofTek No doubt they are very cool people. No doubt they have seen this video clip here and allowed it to stay up, for which I am extremely grateful. I've *SO* enjoyed hosting this video for the last 4 years.
TileNut 1 year ago
@TileNut yea.......hey why don't you find Howard Kaylan on FB and make him your friend ....he is on my friend's list and I know he would accept you.....
HistoryofTek 1 year ago
i LOVe the animal turtle!!!!! So i love the Turtles :)
aaa2000ish 1 year ago
Snoopy and Woodstock sweater FTW
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SixtiesPopGold 1 year ago
We hate them, they have dogs. LOL
dLimboStick 1 year ago
This is part of a documentary done on the history of The Turtles that came out in '91 (I think), and is a must see for any fan of the band. Not only is it interesting, it's hilarious at times. Howard and Mark are really cool guys...able to laugh off the bad situations they encountered while they were young men.
TheSunfish63 1 year ago
This is great!
bshmtsu 1 year ago
Brilliant stuff, guys. Hope you're doing good now.
cbw123red 1 year ago
They just played the LA County Fair last Sunday night.
TileNut 1 year ago
I like Turtles.
aiyomama93 1 year ago
Bass Player's Wife, Tour Money, Mexico...
Man, you guys never got a break o_o
fallenleaf25 1 year ago
that certainly is a bit of bad luck...i think its understandable though...it was a different world back then...I hope Frank treated them a little better. these days im lucky to get a gig that pays....let alone a manager that does Any thing! different world....Go flo and eddie may you be happy together...and have payed the dets back....
troybeing 1 year ago
i remember you eddy, from heidelberg germany, when you played with frank zappa. you should remember me also.
hildchen11 1 year ago
wow. that is a lot of crap they had to go through. funny how they just laugh about it now
TheDilligan 1 year ago
Whatever happened to Al Nicol?
gdholmfirth 1 year ago
Also, I fell in love with Zappa's stuff on first listen and the element you added ( I didn't even know it was you two back then) to the sound was what I found intruiging. You were always inspiring. Bless you for enduring the BS that was part of the whole scene. Looks like your rich though, with health and happiness - I hope so. Everyone talks fondly of the Turtles. I like your sense of wit and you never overdid that in your songs, just enough. The Turtles; Genius, or lucky? I say genius!
80sVideoLord 1 year ago
You two are terrific... you and ernie Maresca are heros to me...thanks for your fantastic songs and thanks for keeping the old spark alive with your tours - it really uplifts people, I hope you know that. People from back then feel bad about the world nowadays and you are like a big breast giving us nutrients when you play and tour. I'm glad you artists from back then started touring again. It's also encouraging when I see today's teens comment on the old stuff and wish they grew up in the day.
80sVideoLord 1 year ago
I so sorry! I loved y'all!
TrixieGoforth 1 year ago
These guys played for my college homecoming back in '68. They were amazing for in addition to their own stuff, they could sound like ANY band popular at that time. They played for us as "The Turtles" but soon after, because of the lawsuits, they were forbidden to call themselves that AND they were even forbidden to use their OWN names! They became Flo and Eddy, and started playing with Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention.
ionicfloat 1 year ago
great attitudes those two have. XD
violenthues 1 year ago
A real shame for the music Industry,,and the TURTLES,,My bestest favorite group..lol
007bigrain 2 years ago
"People spend more time asking forgiveness than being good.
Everyone's out stealing or home planning how they could."
- Out of Breath by The Turtles
giatia13 2 years ago
this is sad :[
erichvonhinken 2 years ago
Got to love it, total truth!
toddbria 2 years ago
This is so funny, so rock n`roll, etc....
MrCatstail 2 years ago
Bummer.
TheSasha555 2 years ago
Alright, it's Flo and Eddie!
They should have went back to #1 sooner.
geffeI 2 years ago
Ha! I filmed that, back in the late 80's, when I worked for Rhino! It's weird to accidentally bump into something you filmed--Mark and Howard were really nice guys--we also interviewed Ray Manzerak, Stephen Stills with Graham Nash and a bunch of other people for that documentary--I"m gonna look...
davestarns 2 years ago
I love the way Howard keeps saying "Man!" like an aging hippie. "Man", did he age quickly. He's only 43 in that video. I guess it was all the drugs that did it.
007Katburglar 2 years ago
You two are great........... What a great attitude you are winners........ you should do a book
seanpdaly 2 years ago
Poor guys.....funny as hell tho, sorry lool
i love #2~!!! loooooooooool
ipodluvr23 2 years ago
Boy, and I thought I HAD problems!!!!!!!!!!!!! But you know,those guys were great,and are the best now,since they can make fun of themselves!
moyahn56 2 years ago
These two guys were really great and their hits were classics. I`m sure this happened to a lot of bands back then who were wide eyed and naive.
pilesovinyl 2 years ago
ohh...demais, assombroso o modo como eles fazem você acreditar nisso...
eu amo os turtles...flo & eddie
malvadoazul 2 years ago
awsome!!!^^
Bockwursty 2 years ago
That was funny!!! :P
canadianstudmuffin 2 years ago 2
The Turtles are one of my all time favorite bands. Sucks that all this crap happened to them.
ArtsyPhilosophyGuy 2 years ago
love that charlie brown sweater
67rhd 2 years ago
I love them Turtles, and this is really tragic! You guys Rock! I can relate because I had a similar issue, but they are making money and I'm just sitting here in my pad!
luvsuncat 2 years ago
OMG, what a shame. I love your songs. Unfortunately, this scenario happens to other groups. Sorry this happened to you, but I'm glad you have a sense of humor. 5 Stars on your video.
Banghouseisaphony 2 years ago 2
nice job guys, will you be my managers? just kidding. lots of vultures in those days, i think grand funk couldn't legally play their own material from their first three albums. crazy shit. capitalism, ain't it great? one thing all artists should know, business is just a legal way to steal money. write it down, it's the truth. watch your back and trust no one. peace.
tomitstube 2 years ago
at least they're still legends, wrote a perfect pop-song, all the managers have is money.
hgldypgldy 2 years ago 2
This is hilarious. Who was the manager who had the number 1 television show?
zacandtaylorrule 3 years ago
I have heard that it was Dick Clark, but I could not verify this for sure.
affema 3 years ago
Gotta love Volman. He is my music business teacher. Let's just say class is pretty interesting.
markleboy 3 years ago
LOL awesome
Minnii333 3 years ago
Awesome...lol
Hilndr1701 3 years ago
They recorded for White Whale records. Always thought there was something fishy 'bout that company!
handinside 3 years ago
Manager #1 was BILL UTTLEY. He was the one suing them for millions. He owned a club and "got big" later on as they say by managing Steppenwolf and Three Dog Night. (actually the Turtles' first manager was LA deejay Reb Foster, but they're clearly referring to Uttley on Manager #1.)
Manager #2 was DAVE KRAMBECK. He started out as their road manager and schemed them into making him their regular manager. He's the one who ran off to Mexico with Jim Pons' wife.
RSG2006 3 years ago
Brilliant. I've waited 2 years for that comment. Thank you!
TileNut 3 years ago
Manager(s) #3 was TME Associates of New York. The transfer from Manager #2 (Krambeck) to TME was in March 1968.
RSG2006 1 year ago
i hate math..
NismoS14TOPSECRET 3 years ago
ok... i wanna buy their stuff just cuz this video is so cool!
davidbrucemusicvideo 3 years ago
absolute best youtube video ever!
jdhatl 3 years ago
HAHAHAHA Skillz
MYAGENT57 3 years ago
Best youtube video ever.
Love the Turtles, "There You Sit Lonely" is seriously underrated shit.
stigolejon 3 years ago
turtles are cool
thekingnoah 3 years ago
I hope that I can keep such a wonderful sense of humor and enthusiasm when my manager rips out my heart and hands it back to me on a plate! Very funny, very enlightening, and a nice look into the dog-eat-dog nature of the handling industry.
And, if I may... I guess your managers and yourselves weren't exactly so happy together.
But, hey, you've never heard that one, right?
MongoMcMichael 3 years ago 2
hi guys,, look up gabriel {the band from seattle} I am hoping that I am the only person left with enough brains to say to you.. I am the choir you are not only preaching to,, but the choir you never had to join, .. google cary fly .. i dare you .. by the way all of us (northwest band guys) are probably your biggest fans.. we were your warmup act at kennedy pavillion in spokane , I think , what , '73? '74? '72?? we were called sleepy john..
caryfly 3 years ago
Sara: Re: Spanky and Co....Yesterday's Rain...one of the greatest songs ever!
54spiritedwill54 3 years ago
Hi Turtles.. what a nightmare! I hope you guys are getting all the money you deserve now. I'm from L.A. and used to go see you guys perform all the time..You were a great act! I'm so sorry you went through this... but, glad you haven't lost your senses of humor..I hope. Thanks for the good music!
oldiebutgoodgirl 3 years ago
OMG!! I LOVE YOU GUYS!! God Bless You!! I am so sorry this happened to you.... just not fair. I wondered where you had gone all those years! I hate the music industry!!!! What a story... Well I am a singer songwriter and this is why I can't get anywhere with my music. BTW,Something quite similar happened to The KINKS also!!
All the best to you!
Teri
Terisong 3 years ago
Great video. What a laugh. Top ending.
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Milkman6988 3 years ago
I would have quit after #3, to hell with the whole mess!
Zobor111 3 years ago
I've give a cookie to whoever can list the names of these managers :)
stargate121 3 years ago
This was just great and says a lot about them that they can be so humourous about stuff which must have worried them at the time. A lot of the British Sixties groups were also rucked - Animals, Yardbirds, Small Faces to name but a few. Thanks for posting.
twiggystick 3 years ago 2
Wow. And I thought Grand Funk got screwed over!!!
ravello99 3 years ago
hey what happened to Grand Funk? i guess i missed that story!
cyberroo33 3 years ago
Check out "Grand Funk Railroad History" here on YouTube. It is a 5-part documentary but well worth the watching.
ravello99 3 years ago
Did you get all that??? Ha! Ha! Flo & Eddie are the greatest..
Carlito1988 3 years ago
Manager number 6: The big TV star manager... Who do you reckon?
I'm thinking Dick Clark maybe?
fodsaks 3 years ago
That WAS GREAT !!!
Flo and Eddie can make CHAOS seem like fun.
I loved their new years shows at the Bottom
line in New York City ... a great period.
And with Frank Zappa .. when they sang backup.
Wish I knew where they were playing ... but
according to this video .. they BROKE UP ! :)
countdevio 3 years ago
The Turtles with Flo and Eddie still tour! Check out Hippiefest this year. If you love their music but haven't seen this band, you're missing about half the FUN! They sing like angels and act like demons.
Casuallyyours 3 years ago
I'm French,I can't understand every subtleties of the English speaking,but I can see they have a tremendous sense of humor.
Really good to see that these two guys are so Happy together !
fanscar43 3 years ago
wow o_o
hiphop1queen 3 years ago
Where are the bass tabs for the song Eleanor??
Gee I think your swell..
illmeetyouat 4 years ago
Welcome back... Flo and Eddie!!
bungalowbill969 4 years ago
Been a Turtles fan from the 60's, and had no idea all this had gone on. So sorry you had such problems, and no one you could truly trust. I am happy you have kept your good nature, and great wit. We do hope that despite all this awful stuff, you will still continue to sing those wonderful songs.Thanks for sharing with your fans and keep up your great smiles and caring hearts.Peace and Luv,Debbie
my7304 4 years ago 6
I have to wonder how much more they could have accomplished if they didn't have to deal with all that bullsh*t! Cool band and cool guys!
Thank-Q!
Gregg
gboutilier 4 years ago 2
These guys are truly beautiful, they would help anyone out. Thanks to you both for your wisdom and chilldom and forgiveness not to mention your wonderful talent.
kaferere 4 years ago
WOW...
that was interesting...
although i didn't really understand...
stupidman1786 4 years ago
wow...
nerdygirl44 4 years ago
I love the Turtles, always will. If you get a chance check them out doing "Eve of Destruction". Very, very cool. Rock on guys. Great work with The Mothers also.
Mjviz123 4 years ago
hilarious... sad... scary... dare I say these guys should self-manage from now on ;-)
headwerkn 4 years ago
I got one for you all, if you did not know it...They were doing great backing vocals on T-Rex albums, begginning with the album entitled T-Rex, then the big seller Electric Warrior, then The Slider. And they made the songs fantastic. They were brilliant at doing their job on them.
DAVWAVE 4 years ago
THIS IS SO FUNNY AND SO RIGHT!!!
I WAS NEVER INTO THEIR MUSIC BUT
I CAN APPRECIATE THEIR LOVE FOR THE
MUSIC AND I LOVE THEIR WIT. THANKS GUYS! PEPPER MaSHAY
nana53nana 4 years ago
Up and coming bands take note. Always read the fine print! And get yourself a good lawyer. (Glad they have a sense of humor about it anyway.)
MartyRotten 4 years ago
That is terrible. I know alot of musicians back then were ripped off like crazy. They should not have to be working now.
vwilliams67 4 years ago
My favorite single by The Turtles (and favorite song title of all-time) is "Grim Reaper of Love".
moorlock2003 4 years ago
thanks for sharing the truth . it happens to the best.
glamoraglam 4 years ago
Is that Chuck Portz on the right?
blinko656 4 years ago
Mark is on the left, Howard is on the right.
RckStrJen2005 4 years ago
I think the piece has a nice flo.
-Eddy
bluewank 4 years ago
They did'nt like #7 because he had dogs?
pfordsq 4 years ago
These guys are BRILLIANT!
EQUINOXV 4 years ago
who was manager #1??
dust2sday 4 years ago
Do I hear TURTLES come back tour????????? You guys need to play music and leave the white boards to the professionals. Or have it all ready laid out and just work with a pointer. Love the music of the Turtles.
investortownhall 4 years ago
HAHAH! MAN THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO! I'VE BEEN TELLING BANDS, MUSICIANS, AND ARTIST'S THIS FOR YEARS! I've been as honest to any and all of them as anyone could ever be. I've pointed THESE things out to them myself. Not only as a writer, but a musician and label. GUESS WHO THEY'VE NEVER TRUSTED?! AGAIN THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO! PLEASE DON'T REMOVE IT! IT IN IT'S SELF'S WORTH A FEW MILLION!
testtubebaby1 4 years ago
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rapexpert101 4 years ago
Incredible story! I think mgr #1 got his comeupance when the band broke up right after he dropped the lawsuit...WAY TO GO!! HAHAHA.
SilverHamer 4 years ago
we're gonna find the "right" manager..we're gonna find the "right" manager..even if it kills us - Just to break up..give me a freaken break man
JulianLennon1 4 years ago
The Turtles are the one of most underrated band in the history of perhaps mankind, along with X and Syd Barrett. I heart the Turtles, though. The Turtles Present Battle of the Bands is an amazing album.
dizzyandparanoid 4 years ago
Well, at least you sang with The Mothers :)
bufferin 4 years ago
I am manager #3, The agency they say there wasn`t, WAS Premier Talent in New York, the most successful rock and roll agency of all time.
kungsurf 4 years ago
For a manager I would expect greater and more coherent sentence structures.
MourningCandle 4 years ago
These guys make me feel happy, thanks man
sala19843714 4 years ago
i want his snoopy jumper.
oliptimus 4 years ago
Flo and Eddie are awesome. They've been together longer than most married couples.
carlyle688 4 years ago
Dang guys, you (Flo & Eddie) really DO hate the business. It was fun touring with you but really, you should quit the biz.
wado1942 4 years ago
Of course they hate the business. They're musicians, they like music. There's more to music than business.
TileNut 4 years ago
Manager number 3!!! I AM manager NUMBER 3 and I would be glad to name every name Mark and Howard alluded to that I know. I did the best job I could with five guys who were high 24/7. I don`t remember getting $25,000 from them. But then, they probably don`t either.
kungsurf 4 years ago
Sniff, boo hoo. Where is Manager number 3's response? who's Number 2 in Mexico? Who's "Lawyer"? Who's Number 6 Big TV star??? at least? You promised:(
TileNut 4 years ago
Sara: Re: Spanky and Co....Yesterday's Rain...one of the greatest songs ever!!!!!
acari62 4 years ago
Its 5 in the morning,im bumbed cause my dog died yesterday,cant sleep,so I stumble on this...holy crap is this funny,probably true but funny none the less,thanks Flo and Eddy for...Cheerin' me up?
66sparkel 4 years ago
Sorry about your dog! :-( My late husband was a contemporary of these guys - Oz Bach of Spanky and Our Gang. Oz always said changing agents is like changing deck chairs on the Titanic. I rest my case!
SaraConr 4 years ago
Thanks Sara! thats so cool.I remember Spanky and our Gang,im walkin' around like a zomby today just kinda floatin along ya know!
66sparkel 4 years ago
They are THE BEST..Such a great piece of info from my 2 favourite singers..Oh how them and Zappa must have gotten along right after that.
Its a sick world..Everyone for themselves.
Flo and Eddie FOREVER..You better be on ZPZ Next tour!!!!
MrGreenGenes 4 years ago
Oh CRAP! I love the "Then we break up!" part! Ingenious and sad at the same time. Ingenious because they got that lawsuit out of the way, sad because they were forced to break up to do it.
Megamaniac610 4 years ago
Mark now teaches music business at Belmont Univeristy in Nashville, along with other things.
j0hns0ncw 4 years ago
"Teaches Music Business"? Are you serious? Look at this clip! I mean, what are his qualififcations?
FrankeeFraud 4 years ago
well... he knows what NOT to do...
j0hns0ncw 4 years ago
"there ain't no money in it, it'll lead you to an early grave"- Tom T. Hall
hawkinsted 4 years ago
"And then we break up". Love it! That be rock`n roll for ye.
Magublican 4 years ago
Awsome !!!!
ventsintheedge 4 years ago
thank you for sharing
it is ugly but real and still happening....
mj
mjhancock 4 years ago
I think the other guy meant the real names of the various managers -- that WOULD be interesting.
Groovology 4 years ago
possibly one of the best you tube vids ever
nickfortune 4 years ago
thank god the business isn't like that anymore...LOL...it's worse!
fff3k 4 years ago
THIS is a Master Class in "Rock´n´Roll Management" (and btw the compressed "Behind The Scenes"-story of 90 % of ALL rock-bands)! So if you are an upcoming and ambitiuos musician: Check this out NOW!
lordliefpin 4 years ago
was that a true story?
ollonelycat 4 years ago
The Turtles broke up before Mark and Howard joined the Mothers. However, for legal reasons, they first appeared on Chunga's Revenge as The Phlorescent Leech and Eddie.
Mungo10 4 years ago
Great video for musicians! Get a contract and get a lawyer that's good and is really on your side to check managers out. Gotta do your research and homework before you sign with anyone. Glad they made it. These guys worked with Zappa after their horrific music business journey.
tptvox 4 years ago
nice sweater mark... hehehe..
and why are your glasses different?
radicalgiraffes 4 years ago
sounds like a lot of drugs and bad decision. They needed to get a lawyer from the get go or a reputable manager. who hires the night club owner to manage you? thats a bad move. I am a manager and 1 we do not touch our bands money and 2 we have contracts that allow the bands to leave if we don't meet certain expectations. That is why you look at someones history not what comes out of his mouth.
yepyep123 4 years ago
Anyone know the real names?
pacifico555 4 years ago
Howard Kaylan and Mark Volman
tubedwellar 4 years ago
Hahaha. Wow guys, that's a hell of a story. That's why I will never ever get a manager.
deadredeyes 4 years ago
Thay ARE being very careful not to name names. I think Frank Zappa didn't manage the Turtles. I think these guys hooked up with Zappa after their Turtle days. This fiasco they say was between 1966 to 1974. Although many musicians did have a beef with Zappa, such as Wildman Fisher.
TileNut 4 years ago
Why does Mark look SOOOOO much younger than Howard?
(Sorry Howard. I still think you guys are the BEST BAND EVER!!!
markustee 5 years ago
Mark and Howard were both born in 1947 and should have been about 43 years old here. Howard really aged quickly. I saw Howard and Mark at a concert in 1983; Mark was 36 but looked like he was 50 or so! Probably all the drugs from the 60's??
GolfCharisma 5 years ago
That was.... wow. Just... wow. Wow is all that can describe that.
rotcmaverick 5 years ago
Totally awesome!
The crux of how the music business operates in under 5 minutes!
Some people go to Business School for FOUR YEARS, or go into show business for THIRTY YEARS to learn the exact lessons Flo and Eddie have just imparted on us all. They Rock! he moral of the story? Manage yourself until you know how its done right, get your OWN lawyer after studying Entertainment Law and hire a manager you know you can trust because you know yourself How Band Managing is Done!
VerdillacFSM 5 years ago