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  • What's your gut feeling about the UAD Apollo?

  • What would you recommend for PC? UAD-2 QUAD DSP? What are the price ranges on these badboyz, including your Mac Hardware? I've seen many people get into hardware plugins over the years and they seem amazing -- more recently I've seen yourself and Dave Pensado demonstrate them on youtube. cheers V.

  • Don't know if this got asked earlier in this thread....but after clicking 5 pages of comments back.....is there an equivalent bundle of plug-ins: I'm working with an HP laptop, so no firewire for me. How does any of the Waves stuff stack up? Other options?

  • Been lusting after this for a while but not sure if it's worth it. No noticeable latency with these plugs?

    Also what is the best latency settings for Ableton? Right now I'm at 14.5ms overall latency with 300 sample size buffer. No audio interface, just straight from the audio jack on my iMac to my monitors. I don't record either, just straight ITB. What do you suggest?

    Also at 24 bit 44800 is this good?

    Please do more videos demoing some of these plugins. Thanks, nice crystal necklace!

  • @TheSupaninja420 Hey hey. In regards to latency, these plugins don't like to be run at very low buffer sizes. Use 512 samples or more. I never notice latency issues with them, but then again, I don't typically use them for tracking, I use them for mixing. Every modern DAW has latency compensation built in so you shouldn't notice it at all.

    I would def consider getting an external soundcard for your Mac. Using built in audio is not advisable for pro audio. The D/A converter is brutal.

  • @TheSupaninja420 Oh, and def produce in 24 bit. I use a sample rate of 44.1 K. There's no 44.8 K, did you mean 48K? It all depends on the sample rate of your recordings and samples. If they're in 44.1 K then upsampling to 48 K in Ableton will cause negative impacts to your audio quality as Ableton's sample rate conversion algorithm is real time, and thus lower quality.

  • @DJVespers Yes sorry I meant 48k. You thinkthe D/A converters matter if I'm not actually recording anything into my comp? It might sound better through my monitors but the actual audio will remain the same either way right? That was the impression I was under.

  • i think they included different power adapters because they figure people in other countries may want to buy the unit not just because north americans may want to travel with it lol

  • @vincentmack37 You make a very good point ;)

  • wow, just checked the price - a liiiiiittle too expensive lol. i think i might just get windows 7 64bit and upgrade my ram, its probably my cheapest n easiest option.

  • @MistaMase102 I think you missed the point on this. The extra processing power is great, but it's the quality of the plugins that's the real benefit with this unit. They're hands down the best sounding analog emulation plugins in the industry. And you can't get them to run on anything except UA cards.

  • @Electronicchocolate Werd. Are you using a PC to produce your music? I am just curious what kind of kit do you use? If you are a PC guy against your wishes what kind of problems do you run into? I have updates shut off and I was able to limit services so they don't run. I can help you do those things if you like. A little google goes a long way! Seeing from your page your an Ableton guy as well, so no matter what platform you use, your ok in my book.

  • @Electronicchocolate Well my guess is that you have only bought lower end computers (Although I know you are going to list some high end ones to refute this.) There is a culture of cool in development communities about the mac, but it's because no one wants to admit that they still run M$ in a sandbox on their Mac...(I can install Linux on my PC and make it a mac... but why?) Mac's are great don't get me wrong, but there is nothing a mac can do that a PC can't do at half the price.

  • That's why I use PC's. To be honest, I spend half the money and upgrade to better components. But I'm a geek and take the time to build my own comps, and I just can't justify paying twice as much to give it to Steve Jobz Kidz. Although the head room on my intel 9 series with 16gigs of mem hasn't been pushed to it's limit... (Even with 7 VST's running.) But 1 Day I can justify this...

  • @ne12call Yeah, it takes a technical skillset to build a good audio computer. Macs happen to be pretty damn good right outta the box with CoreAudio and the quality of their components.  That's worth the extra money for me, not having to faff around with setting up the machine properly. Time is money in my world and I value my time highly.

  • @DJVespers I hear ya, Time is the only thing you can't buy more of. I have always been a PC guy so that is what I use. Had I bought a Apple first, that is what I would use. lol I started as a gamer so I came from a background of tweaking to beat the processor.

    But more importantly did this board increase the the latency of your system at all? (Second processor of the PCI bus means some resources are required to run the audio through it.) Sometimes I have to raise my sample rates with new toys.

  • @ne12call Hey mate. I didn't find that this increased latency at all. However, I would term these plugins as mixing plugins not tracking plugins. They don't like really low buffer sizes so I wouldn't use them for recording where I need a 5ms latency. I'd keep the buffer size up over 512 personally.

  • @DJVespers If you don't mind me asking, what is the lowest buffer rate you get in ableton? I am able to get around 5-7 ms on my PCI cards and around 10-12ms with a MOTU Firewire card. I like to do live looping and 12ms is a real show stopper when I am getting into a groove. I am always curious to see how other deal with it. And curious to see what Add on's I can use without killing synchronicity, :-)

  • @ne12call I can get down to about 4ms with my MOTU card.

  • <3

  • @Electronicchocolate I prefer something I can build and upgrade myself which I've done numerous times thus the reason I use PC, I've used macs before I don't really mind them it's all computers to me but to be honest I don't see any reason to change to a mac really.

  • No, no I can't say I've ever had that problem vespers. lol

  • @torment3d LOL. Question #2, have you ever wished you had the beautiful sound of racks and racks of very expensive and rare studio equipment? Try saying no to that one ;)

  • @DJVespers sorry, I'll have to say no to that also. lol. Not a dream of mine :P tbh I'm not sure how you run out of cpu. I have a machine roughly that powerful, also in live. That said though I resample a lot.

  • @DJVespers curious how many plugins you get with that CARD... any???

  • @robdrums69 Every one has a different CPU load, so hard to say. Lots though. Like tons.

  • @DJVespers check your youtube inbox - Vespers... :)

  • in the meantime with longer hairs ... ;-)

    Keep on the good work !

  • is this just for holding the uad plug ins or can i put all my 3rd party vst on this?

    Thanks

  • @davidgtr Only UAD plugins.

  • @Electronicchocolate That's what I've noticed as well. There are audio-built PCs that aren't bad, but for me I've always had great results using OSX. Stability and reliability, combined with high quality components (albeit at a premium price). For me, I'll only ever use a Mac for my music. That doesn't mean, however, that I ruthlessly despise PCs if my students are using them. I used to use one back in the day as well. Macs are expensive, but IMO the tools of your trade are important.

  • Thanks for the video. What midi keyboard are you using?

  • @rjk1482 You're welcome! It's an Akai MPK88.

  • nice! I also got a uad.. but I still do everything inside inside ableton with its eqs pugins etc.. and later I replace I finish mixing with uad!

  • @felipescalador Good call. Don't you find that time consuming though? Why not just mix all the way through with UAD?

  • @DJVespers well.. I have spend so much time only with ableton being broke lol. That I know it inside out.. And doing this I tend to focus much more on the music than the production and less clutter in the screen etc. UAD is much more musical but ableton compressor does the same job so its faster, it is part of composition but later I use uad to pump the mix. Kind of like a map since production is a great part of edm music but is way faster with just ableton, and later making everything better.

  • Strange timing I just got mine yesterday. Looking forward to seeing if it can live up to the hype! Got some shoot outs with the real hardware coming up. Re: the TC Powercore discontinued its true :( I think you can still buy the units but they are ceasing development.

  • @TheDSPproject I'm sure it will. Keep us posted mate!

  • in my experience the CPU is the last thing giving you problems. disks are the first thing (apart from internal sound cards of course). i'd rather invest in a good SSD a fast firewire external drive or one of those thunderbolt external RAID solutions (with striped 7200rpm drives). and next i'd upgrade RAM.

    i've never seen my mbp's i7 CPU get near 50% on any core if it wasn't actually for disk activity. switching off airport and any background processes helps too.

  • @markusdresch RAM is less important to audio production than CPU with respect to Ableton. Here's why. Live can only address 2 gigs of RAM on a PC and 3 gigs of RAM on OSX. More ram than that is, to an extent, useful, but only goes to running your OS. If I went from 8 gigs of RAM to 16, for example, I wouldn't notice an incremental difference. CPU cores on the other hand, are responsible directly for the number of tracks and Devices Ableton can run. Each track runs on it's own core.

  • @DJVespers oh, ableton is still 32bit only. now that explains my disk problems when using kontakt as a plugin (swapping out i guess).

  • @markusdresch Yep, I'm sure v9 will be 64 bit tho.

  • @DJVespers yh i hope! - if we get version in this century really waiting ... ;)

  • @markusdresch Yep, for sure.

  • @markusdresch That being said, you're totally on point with the SSD and hard drive speed. Especially when running lots of audio. I'm looking at a DROBO RAID0 system for my setup.  Very worthy investment.

  • Interesting

    

  • Your hair is sexy as hell dude.

  • Where ya been? I miss the actual production tutorials, man!

  • @akpiano27 I've been publishing a video per week still. Been doing some reviews and live footage from events. Tutorials will still get mixed in there too. Just giving a wider angle on the music production scene. Cheers!

  • Always great info. Thanks

  • Sweet!

  • NIce quartz crystal. Uad is no joke. Nice. No latency with satellite?

  • @TheInterconnected Thanks. Just got that on Hornby Island last summer. I don't experience latency issues unless I'm tracking and I need to use a low buffer size. UAD stuff doesn't like low buffer sizes. It's for mixing not recording or tracking.

  • @DJVespers thanks for input. been waiting over a decade for UA to bring this satellite forward.

    Cheers.

  • I use eq's and compressors on each track too. Multiple sometimes as well. Do you run super low latency or something? When I get towards end of track and I dont need low latency anymore because im just mixing and mastering I kick it up to 256 buffer or sometimes even 512.

  • Oh and that was windows 7 btw.

  • lol wut? how the hell do you run into problems with that setup? I dont even go over 50% with an i5 2400 and Im running At least 20 tracks with alot going on and a mastering chain all at once. RME fireface 400 and Ableton. I do have a liquid mix though but I only use about maybe 3-5 compressors from it at once.

  • @voodoohex72 Perhaps we produce differently. I use a LOT of plugins. Also, I do video editing with my Big Mac. I use EQs and compressors on pretty much every track. Many times multiple EQs and compressors on each track. Such as an 1176 emulation to knock off fast peaks, then an LA2A for the main squeeze. Sometimes I use 5 Pultec Pros just cause I like the sound of audio runnin through em.

  • Also Muse Research Receptor or tc powercore, but most important thing is:

    “Back The F:\ Up”

  • @Eumusic1 TC discontinued the Powercore. However, I use the UAD as much for the plugin quality as for the DSP. The plugins are second to none IMHO.

  • @DJVespers, where did you get that info that powercore is discontinued? never heard of that...

  • @markusdresch Check the TC website. I'm a former PoCo user. UAD is offering a cross grade promotion for TC users.

  • damn.. you probably already had a bunch of UA plugs. Do you think it's a better choice to go for the $4000 Omni package if this will be my first UA purchase?

  • @mobin11 I got the Nevana bundle with all the Neve plugs. Then I added 1176, LA2A, LA3A, EMT250, EMT140, DBX160, Fatso and a few others. The plugs are addictive when you use them. It'll be hard to go back to anything lower quality, I'll just warn ya ;)

  • I cant believe your maxing out TWO xeon 's and 8Gb.

  • @Funkmastabuzz Indeed. I also do video editing, keep that in mind. Video is very taxing. 

  • @DJVespers Sorry I should of said "WOW I cant believe" I was'nt calling you a liar lol. Thanks for not seeing that way.

  • Hairy krishna :D

  • @FreshnessStudio1 I'm goin for the full pony tail. Stay tuned.

  • Great video as always, but what dafuck is up with that Justin Bieber haircut? Your barber died?

  • @popdani Justin Bieber is a saint! You shut your mouth! :P j/k

  • great video!

  • I’m glad you’ve decided to pioneer the UAD cards. i swear by mine.

  • @columthealmighty Me too. Been using them for years, but this is the first time I'm talking about them. They're pure wizardry!

  • you look like a hipster...cool beans

  • @KNUTKASE5000 I heard hipsters don't like beans ;)

  • Diggin the hair!

  • @xSparky117x LOL, amused at how fascinated you guys are with my hair. I had to grow it out so I could save money on hair cuts and get more gear!

  • @xSparky117x Stay tuned, there will me more of it soon.

  • Your hair! Your hair!

  • ok but you look like a lost member of the beetles

  • Do you think the Firewire interface affects the number of instances available to the Satellites compared to the PCI-e cards?

  • @QuickQuips I have no way of testing that. My UAD-2 PCI-e is a duo, not a quad. You could ask UA though.

  • thanks for the great vid.. :) didn't know that anyone made smth like this.. could you maybe suggest some hardware similar to this, that can be used with PCs.. ?

  • @Kraaans Well, I'm pretty sure other UA cards can be used with PCs. It's just the Satellite. My UAD-1 was in my old PC.

  • Thanks for ruling out the PC community.

  • @Drrolfski Get a Mac. 

  • @Drrolfski That's the most arrogant response I've ever heard from you. Are you really an Ableton Live Certified trainer? Because I wouldn't dare to take a class from you with my "humble" PC.

  • @Drrolfski I own Apple stock. Trying to regain my losses ;)

  • @Drrolfski Like Vespers said: GET a Mac! I used to be a PC guy. Now I'm using a Mac and kicking myself for not switching sooner.

    And if you REALLY need to run Windows, you can install it on a Mac and run both.

  • @qmulus1 Let's not get into this PC vs Mac debate because both platforms are excellent to produce music, end of discussion. Any Certified Ableton Live Trainer should know this. If you are so arrogant in forcing your pupils into "Get a Mac" you don't deserve the Certified Ableton Live Trainer title.

    I probably should file a complaint at Ableton.com but I trust DJ Vespers to rectify this because he's a smart guy an his tutorials have been excellent so far.

  • @Drrolfski Hmmm...chill out.

  • @qmulus1

    You started this ridiculous debate, mate.

  • @qmulus1 The "ruling out the PC community" argument is not pointless because you can only run both systems on a Apple computer. People who have a PC only feel retarded listening to your and DJ Vespers comments and it's this utterly arrogance I despise.

  • @Drrolfski Ever heard of a Hackintosh? Anyways, you're free to feel retarded. Now, excuse me while I make some music.

  • @qmulus1 Sure mate, be free to feel a superior human being with your God Jobs devotion. Just keep in mind that making great music has nothing to do with platforms whatsoever.

  • @Drrolfski Alright kids. Let's wrap this one up shall we.  Nuff said.

  • @Drrolfski Easy brotha. Just stirrin the pot. Take a joke. PS: I don't work for Ableton ;)

  • @DJVespers Dude, your video's are excellent, I recommend them to all the artists on my label. I even did a mastering job at Innerportal studio on your recommendation. But you should ease up on your attitude, maestro. Being cocky doesn't suite you at all. I will for sure recommend you if you stop this ego behavior.

  • @Drrolfski With respect, listen to my previous comments mate and understand a joke when you see one. As for how I conduct myself on my channel, if you like what I do, stick around. If not, you don't have to pay attention to me ;) Take it with a grain of salt. All the best. Namaste.

  • Y-Y-Your haircut looks terribad..

  • @Voetsches But Donald Trump said he liked it....

  • Good video! I have two UAD-2 cards and I absolutely love all the plugins. They're a bit on the pricey side though (compared to, say, Waves). As you said they're great when doing final mix and mastering but as they introduce quite a bit of latency I've find that they're not so good when writing music.

  • @kb1629 Hey hey. Great comment. I like them way better than Waves, but yeah, you need to keep your buffer size low and don't use them when tracking. Cheers!

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