If the Bible is real and if God views homosexuality as a Sin, why should 2 homosexuals not be allowed to get married? God says all Sin is equal, well if that's the case then why are 2 liars allowed to get married? All Sin is equal, there shouldn't be a punishment for one and not the other. If homosexuals are deprived of marriage for Sinning then all sinners should be deprived of marriage. And everybody Sins, so think about that.
The idea of seperating church and state is so that churches can have their own freedom and not HAVE to allow or marry same sex couples. However the word Marriage is the only way to have EQUAL rights! So add marriage just separate church and state! Gay people want protection for our families not to force our way into churches. We want to have hospital rights for our partners and children, death rights, tax rights, healthcare right, so we can be the best parents we can just like every other person
Homosexuality is a sin. It's the same as lying, stealing, murder, coveting, greed,envy or any other selfish act there is. Yes men are born with a tendency to commit sin. Some struggle with homosexuality, some gossipers, and some pure greed. In whatever case it is a sinful act. Does it mean then that you can't change it. No!!! That's where God comes in and offers His Son Jesus Christ to die for us and our sinful nature so we may have a regenerated man that pleases God and not man himself.
And if we repent and turn from our wicked ways (homosexuality, pride, temper, anger etc) God by the power of His Holy Spirit can regenerate us into a new creature that has a tendency to please God and not rebellious to Him.
The fact that you are still alive and breathing and your heart is beating without you not in control of it, in spite of your arrogance and sinful life is proof of God's mercy in your life. He is long suffering, patient towards man rebellion like you. He can snuff out your life anytime He wants to and drop in hell for eternity. But sinner like you who loves your sin, He loves you anyway. Proof? Look at the mirror...you better repent before it is too late.
Leviticus 20:10 " 'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death." If we are really going to stick to the bible, why don't we kill adulterers? Also check out Corinthians 6:9-10. The bible says same thing about adulterers as gays and a whole lot of other people, but you don't seem to see that ? YOU look in the mirror and take the own matter out of your eye first.
Sin is sin. Adultery, disobedient to parents, homosexuality, stealing, lying, etc. when these becomes a pattern in one's lifestyle, it kills the soul which is worse than a bodily death. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death, but the gift of God [is] eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Do you see the word "but"...followed by eternal life in Jesus. The only way you can be in Jesus is if you repent. A homosexual can humble himself and repent and he can have eternal life instead of death.
Isn't this real liberty and freedom when a sinner (homosexual, liar, adulterer, murderer, etc) surrenders his selfish lifestyle to God and end all the failure and rebellion to God. This is freedom. This is good news. That's why the Bible calls it the gospel of Jesus Christ. A sinner's only and rightful response is "repentance". This is the door to the grace of God that covers you from sins of the past and the grace of God that empowers us not to sin in the future. Good news in Jesus Christ.
Exactly, the Bible also says, if your child is unrulely, they must be stoned to death (or something like that) but we don't take it seriously, do we? The Bible contradicts itself, first it will say thou shall not kill, then it says stone someone to death. The Bible is impossible to live by.
Where does it say in the bible does it say that homosexuality is a sin? I've read that god views it as an abomination, but not as a sin. Also, where in "God's Big Book of Riddles" does it say that it is our duty to criminalize people for being gay? Doesn't the man in the clouds tell you to "love thy neighbor?" Where does he tell you to make an exception for gays?
Read the whole Romans chapter 1:24-32. Abomination in Hebrew means wickedness. Sin is an English word which means missing the mark. We all have missed the mark..all have sinned and come short the glory of God. That's why we repent..change our mind..from rebelliousness from God to obedience to God. Yes you have part of what God says "Love thy neighbor". That's why you need to be told you are going on the deep end and you need to turn around... repent..that is "LOVE".
I've read the entire chapter you have sent me a few times, and I have learned a few things I did not know, but no where in it does it say that god wants us to punish those who turn there backs on him. If you think about it, judgement is left up to god and god alone, so can't it be seen as blasphemous when people cast judgement on others? They're basicly trying to play god.
homosexuality is a product of man's rebelliousness to God. When sin entered the human race through the disobedience of Adam and Eve, the consequences of that sin are all the flaws of all human beings from God centered life to self centered life. Lying, envy, homosexuality, fornication, wrath, murder, adultery, gossiping, ...and so on.
All these are sinful behaviors. The good news is that through the obedience of Jesus in dying on the crosss we now have the capacity to repent for that sinful nature we have inherited by the disobedience of Adam. So there you go...repent of the sin of homosexuality and God is more than happy to forgive you of your sins.
@idaman12345. God doesn't have to prove to you anything. But so might repent, God so love the world (you included) that He gave His only begotten Son so whoso ever believe in Him will be be forgiven. In your case it's your arrogance.
I have no prob with homosexual rights I know that there is a difference, or rather a clear separation of church and state. I don't think it is right for churches to identify same sex unions but the government is not the church so that is out of the church's hands. The bible clearly says its wrong so yeah they can have their contracts. That's up to them. Man this is just like the story of Sodom and Gomorrah creepy how similar they are but most folks think the bible is a book of fairy tales.
Think about it our moral compass is never fluctuating but always leaning more and more to a more lax standard. Truth is I don't really care because organizations like NAMBLA is evidence of what's on the horizon soon they will ask for their rights too. This is just the beginning of something new indeed. Freedom is essentially being able to do whatever you please or makes you happy that doesn't mean there are no consequences.
What are the consequences of gay marriage? Yes, society is gradually becoming more liberal in general. People are realizing that we deserve equal rights. This is a good thing. Racism used to be the norm not too long ago remember? As long as people aren't hurting anyone they should be free to do as they please. And you can't compare pedophilia to homosexuality. You think pedophiles are going to be allowed to rape kids soon? Please.
Why shouldn't churches allow gay marriage? People interpret the bible differently. I'm sure you don't believe half the stuff in it, but cherry pick the stuff that suits you. The bible also says you should stone adulterers, but you don't see christians supporting this. And yes, it is just a bunch of fairy tales. But whatever. Please provide any evidence that gay marriage leads to incest etc. Changing one law isn't going to lead to rampant immoral behavior and the legalization of everything.
All I can say is that I really get mad when people compare black civil rights to gay civil rights. I mean its a choice. Love for ourselves has become our new religion. It is so weird that we lock up the guys that engage in consenting relationships but that can't be love. I mean the lines get blurred and they are today even for someone that doesn't believe in God but wants the church to recognize them as a couple.
you're saying being gay is a choice? how do you know this? it's proven that you are born gay, it's not a choice. by that logic being straight is a choice too.
"It is so weird that we lock up the guys that engage in consenting relationships but that can't be love" um, what? who's locking who up? gay people can't love? says who? i'm having a little trouble understanding your comment.
Look man I'm just stating my opinion just as you are until there is solid proof and not just hollywood speculation that being gay is a gene. Your views are opinions as well. Hey that's your opinion and this is mine What I'm saying is for the guys that like little girls or the women like Mary Kay Laterno that can't stay away from younger men that must mean that that is a not a choice as well they were born that way, however if it is a choice then they can resist temptation.
yes, they are all born that way. i don't have anything against pedophiles as long as they don't go around molesting children. that's where the choice comes in. however, there is nothing wrong about two consenting adults having sex, whether they are the same gender or not. that is the difference. of course they can resist temptation, but sexual urges are a hard thing to repress. would you stop having sex because someone told you it is wrong for a man and a woman to do so because of ancient dogma?
There was once a time when Gay marriage was wrong in america but that's changing so why can't we decrease the legal age for minors to engage in legal sexual activity with adults let's say to 16. If you look at Sodom and Gomorrah saga they did the same things that are happening now word for word men will lay with men and women with women. Why do we block out those things and then justify it by saying God loves us but lets get it straight not everything we do is right in his eyes.
It is actually 16 in Canada and I personally think it works better this way.
Because at least a guy who is 19 can't get in trouble for dating and having sex with a girl who is only 16. We underestimate the adolescent mind. Sorry for being off topic.
Thanks for that might as well lower it to 13 thats when puberty usually starts. Man those Nambla guys must be jumping for joy. Not every child is as mature as they want you to believe.
But that is what the argument is about, its about the contract of marriage, not the religious because marriage used to be a sacred thing but that is not the case in america anymore. I think that gay marriage is only the begining of something more incestual marriages, man will never be satisfied with just this. Divorce rate is high because marriages are more likely to fail than last.Eventually we will let children marry because soon we will find a reason for that.
I think this idea that we are changing the definition of marriage is unfounded because marriage has always changed throughout history. In the past it was A OK to have arranged marriages and marry 10 year old girls. Interracial and inter-religious marriage got you the death penalty in the past. The "standards" of marriage have always changed throughout history.
Just because something was done in the past does not mean that we should tear down those limits of age. I'm only saying what could happen. Look I'd love it if Homosexual Couples are married by law. Why should christians have to be told that they should recognize it in the site of God . Why not ask Islam to budge on their strict beliefs. Like I said do what you got to do but don't push your beliefs on the one thing I hold morally my Faith and my Principles.
he's not saying we should "tear down those limits of age". he's just emphasizing that the rules change.
maybe the church shouldn't push its beliefs on people. again, there are plenty of christians who don't think homosexuality is wrong, so why does the church or the law get to decide for them? it's their lives, if it happens to be against god's will then they are the ones who will get punished.
I totally understand what he's saying. I think they should be recognized as couples by law. the christians that say they don't think its wrong are ignoring things to make others feel at ease. USA there are christians that smoke drink sometimes excessively. Because this MTV culture has people for a loop and hey maybe you're right I don't know but I'm going to stick to my principles. Its gotten so that if you dont think liberally in every way you are bashed.
very good video... made ur point without being rude or too defensive.... GO GAYS! :D
iluvmusic2234 6 months ago
I agree that government should be left out of the business of marriage.
morguebabe 1 year ago
If the Bible is real and if God views homosexuality as a Sin, why should 2 homosexuals not be allowed to get married? God says all Sin is equal, well if that's the case then why are 2 liars allowed to get married? All Sin is equal, there shouldn't be a punishment for one and not the other. If homosexuals are deprived of marriage for Sinning then all sinners should be deprived of marriage. And everybody Sins, so think about that.
dreamreality07 2 years ago
I agree with this video the first one was STUPID. Well done!
dreamreality07 2 years ago
srry rated it 1 star
when i actually looked at the whole thing i was surprised u were 4 gay marriage
title so misleading lol
sexfanatic 2 years ago
Good point.
Domzdream 2 years ago
The idea of seperating church and state is so that churches can have their own freedom and not HAVE to allow or marry same sex couples. However the word Marriage is the only way to have EQUAL rights! So add marriage just separate church and state! Gay people want protection for our families not to force our way into churches. We want to have hospital rights for our partners and children, death rights, tax rights, healthcare right, so we can be the best parents we can just like every other person
jangel192000 2 years ago
Homosexuality is a sin. It's the same as lying, stealing, murder, coveting, greed,envy or any other selfish act there is. Yes men are born with a tendency to commit sin. Some struggle with homosexuality, some gossipers, and some pure greed. In whatever case it is a sinful act. Does it mean then that you can't change it. No!!! That's where God comes in and offers His Son Jesus Christ to die for us and our sinful nature so we may have a regenerated man that pleases God and not man himself.
graftedin1996 2 years ago
And if we repent and turn from our wicked ways (homosexuality, pride, temper, anger etc) God by the power of His Holy Spirit can regenerate us into a new creature that has a tendency to please God and not rebellious to Him.
graftedin1996 2 years ago
prove that your god exists before pushing his rules onto others.
ushimanni 2 years ago
The fact that you are still alive and breathing and your heart is beating without you not in control of it, in spite of your arrogance and sinful life is proof of God's mercy in your life. He is long suffering, patient towards man rebellion like you. He can snuff out your life anytime He wants to and drop in hell for eternity. But sinner like you who loves your sin, He loves you anyway. Proof? Look at the mirror...you better repent before it is too late.
graftedin1996 2 years ago
Leviticus 20:10 " 'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death." If we are really going to stick to the bible, why don't we kill adulterers? Also check out Corinthians 6:9-10. The bible says same thing about adulterers as gays and a whole lot of other people, but you don't seem to see that ? YOU look in the mirror and take the own matter out of your eye first.
jasonlawmadrid 2 years ago
Sin is sin. Adultery, disobedient to parents, homosexuality, stealing, lying, etc. when these becomes a pattern in one's lifestyle, it kills the soul which is worse than a bodily death. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death, but the gift of God [is] eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Do you see the word "but"...followed by eternal life in Jesus. The only way you can be in Jesus is if you repent. A homosexual can humble himself and repent and he can have eternal life instead of death.
graftedin1996 2 years ago
Isn't this real liberty and freedom when a sinner (homosexual, liar, adulterer, murderer, etc) surrenders his selfish lifestyle to God and end all the failure and rebellion to God. This is freedom. This is good news. That's why the Bible calls it the gospel of Jesus Christ. A sinner's only and rightful response is "repentance". This is the door to the grace of God that covers you from sins of the past and the grace of God that empowers us not to sin in the future. Good news in Jesus Christ.
graftedin1996 2 years ago
homosexuality is not a sin,
but i wouldnt expect anything from an intolerant bigot
idaman12345 2 years ago
Exactly, the Bible also says, if your child is unrulely, they must be stoned to death (or something like that) but we don't take it seriously, do we? The Bible contradicts itself, first it will say thou shall not kill, then it says stone someone to death. The Bible is impossible to live by.
dreamreality07 2 years ago
Where does it say in the bible does it say that homosexuality is a sin? I've read that god views it as an abomination, but not as a sin. Also, where in "God's Big Book of Riddles" does it say that it is our duty to criminalize people for being gay? Doesn't the man in the clouds tell you to "love thy neighbor?" Where does he tell you to make an exception for gays?
bronmon1 2 years ago
Read the whole Romans chapter 1:24-32. Abomination in Hebrew means wickedness. Sin is an English word which means missing the mark. We all have missed the mark..all have sinned and come short the glory of God. That's why we repent..change our mind..from rebelliousness from God to obedience to God. Yes you have part of what God says "Love thy neighbor". That's why you need to be told you are going on the deep end and you need to turn around... repent..that is "LOVE".
graftedin1996 2 years ago
I've read the entire chapter you have sent me a few times, and I have learned a few things I did not know, but no where in it does it say that god wants us to punish those who turn there backs on him. If you think about it, judgement is left up to god and god alone, so can't it be seen as blasphemous when people cast judgement on others? They're basicly trying to play god.
bronmon1 2 years ago
homosexuals were born that way so wouldnt that mean that god made homosexuals?
idaman12345 2 years ago
homosexuality is a product of man's rebelliousness to God. When sin entered the human race through the disobedience of Adam and Eve, the consequences of that sin are all the flaws of all human beings from God centered life to self centered life. Lying, envy, homosexuality, fornication, wrath, murder, adultery, gossiping, ...and so on.
graftedin1996 2 years ago
All these are sinful behaviors. The good news is that through the obedience of Jesus in dying on the crosss we now have the capacity to repent for that sinful nature we have inherited by the disobedience of Adam. So there you go...repent of the sin of homosexuality and God is more than happy to forgive you of your sins.
graftedin1996 2 years ago
or hows about you wake up and realize that god isnt real
idaman12345 2 years ago
oh! he is as real as that temper tantrum you do when you don't get your way.
graftedin1996 2 years ago
prove he is real
idaman12345 2 years ago
@idaman12345. God doesn't have to prove to you anything. But so might repent, God so love the world (you included) that He gave His only begotten Son so whoso ever believe in Him will be be forgiven. In your case it's your arrogance.
graftedin1996 2 years ago
my "arrogance" is not believing in a fictional creature?
god is about as real as santa
idaman12345 2 years ago
Homosexuality is not a sin.
When Sodom was burned to the ground, that means that gays are hot!
When Leviticus says that homosexuality is an abomination, back then, "abomination" meant "guaranteed admission into Heaven!"
God told me himself; he sent an angel down five minutes ago, and told me that he encourages homosexuality as a way of fighting overpopulation!
dstebbin 1 year ago
so you can be born with a product of "man's rebelliousness to god"?
idaman12345 2 years ago
that's why when you were young, you were a selfish little brat but now you are a older selfish little brat.
graftedin1996 2 years ago
I have no prob with homosexual rights I know that there is a difference, or rather a clear separation of church and state. I don't think it is right for churches to identify same sex unions but the government is not the church so that is out of the church's hands. The bible clearly says its wrong so yeah they can have their contracts. That's up to them. Man this is just like the story of Sodom and Gomorrah creepy how similar they are but most folks think the bible is a book of fairy tales.
hellsing3000 2 years ago
Think about it our moral compass is never fluctuating but always leaning more and more to a more lax standard. Truth is I don't really care because organizations like NAMBLA is evidence of what's on the horizon soon they will ask for their rights too. This is just the beginning of something new indeed. Freedom is essentially being able to do whatever you please or makes you happy that doesn't mean there are no consequences.
hellsing3000 2 years ago
What are the consequences of gay marriage? Yes, society is gradually becoming more liberal in general. People are realizing that we deserve equal rights. This is a good thing. Racism used to be the norm not too long ago remember? As long as people aren't hurting anyone they should be free to do as they please. And you can't compare pedophilia to homosexuality. You think pedophiles are going to be allowed to rape kids soon? Please.
ushimanni 2 years ago
Why shouldn't churches allow gay marriage? People interpret the bible differently. I'm sure you don't believe half the stuff in it, but cherry pick the stuff that suits you. The bible also says you should stone adulterers, but you don't see christians supporting this. And yes, it is just a bunch of fairy tales. But whatever. Please provide any evidence that gay marriage leads to incest etc. Changing one law isn't going to lead to rampant immoral behavior and the legalization of everything.
ushimanni 2 years ago
All I can say is that I really get mad when people compare black civil rights to gay civil rights. I mean its a choice. Love for ourselves has become our new religion. It is so weird that we lock up the guys that engage in consenting relationships but that can't be love. I mean the lines get blurred and they are today even for someone that doesn't believe in God but wants the church to recognize them as a couple.
hellsing3000 2 years ago
you're saying being gay is a choice? how do you know this? it's proven that you are born gay, it's not a choice. by that logic being straight is a choice too.
"It is so weird that we lock up the guys that engage in consenting relationships but that can't be love" um, what? who's locking who up? gay people can't love? says who? i'm having a little trouble understanding your comment.
ushimanni 2 years ago
Look man I'm just stating my opinion just as you are until there is solid proof and not just hollywood speculation that being gay is a gene. Your views are opinions as well. Hey that's your opinion and this is mine What I'm saying is for the guys that like little girls or the women like Mary Kay Laterno that can't stay away from younger men that must mean that that is a not a choice as well they were born that way, however if it is a choice then they can resist temptation.
hellsing3000 2 years ago
yes, they are all born that way. i don't have anything against pedophiles as long as they don't go around molesting children. that's where the choice comes in. however, there is nothing wrong about two consenting adults having sex, whether they are the same gender or not. that is the difference. of course they can resist temptation, but sexual urges are a hard thing to repress. would you stop having sex because someone told you it is wrong for a man and a woman to do so because of ancient dogma?
ushimanni 2 years ago
There was once a time when Gay marriage was wrong in america but that's changing so why can't we decrease the legal age for minors to engage in legal sexual activity with adults let's say to 16. If you look at Sodom and Gomorrah saga they did the same things that are happening now word for word men will lay with men and women with women. Why do we block out those things and then justify it by saying God loves us but lets get it straight not everything we do is right in his eyes.
hellsing3000 2 years ago
It is actually 16 in Canada and I personally think it works better this way.
Because at least a guy who is 19 can't get in trouble for dating and having sex with a girl who is only 16. We underestimate the adolescent mind. Sorry for being off topic.
Ness123 2 years ago
Thanks for that might as well lower it to 13 thats when puberty usually starts. Man those Nambla guys must be jumping for joy. Not every child is as mature as they want you to believe.
hellsing3000 2 years ago
But that is what the argument is about, its about the contract of marriage, not the religious because marriage used to be a sacred thing but that is not the case in america anymore. I think that gay marriage is only the begining of something more incestual marriages, man will never be satisfied with just this. Divorce rate is high because marriages are more likely to fail than last.Eventually we will let children marry because soon we will find a reason for that.
hellsing3000 2 years ago
I think this idea that we are changing the definition of marriage is unfounded because marriage has always changed throughout history. In the past it was A OK to have arranged marriages and marry 10 year old girls. Interracial and inter-religious marriage got you the death penalty in the past. The "standards" of marriage have always changed throughout history.
JacobSpinney 2 years ago
Just because something was done in the past does not mean that we should tear down those limits of age. I'm only saying what could happen. Look I'd love it if Homosexual Couples are married by law. Why should christians have to be told that they should recognize it in the site of God . Why not ask Islam to budge on their strict beliefs. Like I said do what you got to do but don't push your beliefs on the one thing I hold morally my Faith and my Principles.
hellsing3000 2 years ago
he's not saying we should "tear down those limits of age". he's just emphasizing that the rules change.
maybe the church shouldn't push its beliefs on people. again, there are plenty of christians who don't think homosexuality is wrong, so why does the church or the law get to decide for them? it's their lives, if it happens to be against god's will then they are the ones who will get punished.
ushimanni 2 years ago
I totally understand what he's saying. I think they should be recognized as couples by law. the christians that say they don't think its wrong are ignoring things to make others feel at ease. USA there are christians that smoke drink sometimes excessively. Because this MTV culture has people for a loop and hey maybe you're right I don't know but I'm going to stick to my principles. Its gotten so that if you dont think liberally in every way you are bashed.
hellsing3000 2 years ago