One mechanic said he went to the machine room - below floor level - after one enormous explosion - and found "a fifty ton hydraulic press - completely gone!" A 300 pound fireproof door was wrinkled up like tissue paper. No doubt the Bush family had access to the towers and planted explosives, while Cheney organised a missle hitting the pentagon while the aircraft, as witnesses report, flow up to but then over the building and away. Can hardly believe even the Bush family would stoop so low
No fly zone is hypocrisy, it did not save a single life in Iraq & Kosovo. 50 Libyan are being killed each day by Qaddafi forces. Only Arshad Khan can persuade Qaddafi to leave Libya within 24 hours & give Libya to Libyan.
Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, and John F. Kennedy, were the United State's REAL Presidents.. They tried to reduce governments power and increased, the people's power, The every-day American citizen. They also tried to destroy dangerous secret groups / societies. When is the next REAL American president?
To ALl: I apologize for any statements I may have made which has been offensive to anyone. Please click on my name and read my profile to understand me more. You see, I suffer from a sever case of mental disorder. I am under medication and hence please do not take any of my offsenive bull shit statements seriously. I am now under medication and that is why I can think straight and write this. At other times my mental disorder takes over me and I become a moron who eats nothing but just shit!
Looking for anyone may have found a major collection of photos news clippings of fbi or police or boeing employees dated 1954 military police anythink stack of unusual in the world trade center photos of cops and police cards of the pentagon did anyone yearbooks notice that cant find families before this
the cops are in the buiding i read that yall slaughtered them all in 1975 america was over in new york it took 1 year to do this why were in the building a bomb I saw the children fall just before air force one planes boeing hit the tower who do you think you all are in florida still id theft cant fly
Well, there we have it folks, proof of what NIST has failed to acknowledge that the buildings collapse was assisted, as many experts all around the world have already summised.
No doubt the official line will be that they aren't credible witnesses because they are all in a confused state of shock and panic....
It's just one load of BS from the Adminstration after the other. When are people going to wake up and smell the coffee with 9/11?
'Terrorist Paranoya' it's clearly a inside job. A shoplifter goes to jail, Bush and co. barbecue on the ranch. There should be a aftermatch, leathal injection ore gas chamber for Bush and co.
i think that the terroriest or how ever u spell it had made a plan were they planted the small explosives, cut the under iferstructures at an angle"not all the way" and then crash the planes into the buildings
when that happened they lit the explosives and the rumble would snap the iferstructures
On the video, Barry Jennings (Deputy Director of Emergency Services dept) is actually talking about explosions in *WTC 7* before either of the Twin Towers had come down. Jennings and his colleague got trapped inside WTC 7 and had to be rescued by the firefighters. This while the Twin Towers were still standing. Search for "9/11 WTC 7 BOMBS WITNESS" on YouTube.
Your poll: "tinyurlDOTcom/yz45x4" says NOTHING about demolitions. The question is: "When it comes to WHAT THEY KNEW PRIOR to September 11th, 2001, about POSSIBLE TERRORIST ATTACKS against the United States, do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?" [emph. mine]
You are? Then you DO know that they don't use Thermite in demolitions, right? You'd better! And you DO know charges make a loud report, right? You'd better.
Just like you've been shown the truth and you have made up your mind: You are not going to listen.
Always they come your way? Well, take this: I myself once believed in your stuff. I am not lying when I say that. But then I started to see problems with it, and I have since become a skeptic.
The MISINTERPRETED poll does not say anything about bombs. SHOW ME A POLL THAT SAYS "DID YOU BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT PUT BOMBS IN THE BUILDING?".
They told enough to be mostly right about HOW the buildings were destroyed. They might not have told enough about who did what to CAUSE that -- like did Bush, for example, conspire with the terrorists? I'd bet money he did. No thermite required. They were friends after all. REAL terrorist involvement certainly makes a much more convincing pretext for war.
These numbers do not prove anything. People believing something DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE! That is the concept you can't seem to get your head around! You obviously do not know that "ad populum" is a FALLACY. Now you do. Are you gonna listen?
Maybe NIST was wrong. But it IS possible to cause steel to sag in a fire. Discovery Channel aired a program where they showed steel beams sagging and drooping during an experiment designed for this. Can you critique that experiment? Now imagine that happening with crappy rivets, with over half the building's load-bearing capacity destroyed, and with even bigger fires.
Like I said, you need to learn to read polls. You're obviously lying about your education, too, you've got the spelling and grammar skills of a highschool dropout, and the reasoning skills of a religious fundamentalist. Either way, you're wasting our time with this nonsense, and you're unnecessarily spamming this video with your 500 posts of drooling drivel. If you've got nothing informative to contribute, I suggest you stop.
Since your "education" doesn't seem to have covered basic reading skills, I'll help you out. Here is what the poll actually says:
When asked about what the Bush admin claims they knew about terrorism pre-911, 69% of respondents said that they were either telling the truth or mostly telling the truth. Only 21% said they were "mostly lying". Also, "mostly lying" doesn't mean they believe in YOUR insane theories, only that they think the Bush admin lied.
And the reason you can't "talk" people into it is because they do not WANT to believe it. It has NOTHING to do with logic, it has to do with stubborn refusal to accept logic. Becuase of that, I'm not going to bother with this debate any more. This sad lack of logic and reason in our society is, of course, why so many people voted for Bush in the first place.
I never said it was a forge, I was using an example. You can do it under 1800 C when you get heat _building up_ from reactions occuring inside the pile. Since they are _exo_thermic they will raise the temperature. Paper ignites at 451 F but the flame can go over 2000 F due to the _exo_thermic combustion reaction (oxidation!). Yet, according to your argument, this can't be happening. PS. Where's the
You also have not cited the demolition technique that involves thermite. Thermite is NEVER used in building implosions. Charges do not need "softener" to soften the steel. The *pressure* they create is so much (around several million PSI dynamic) that the steel essentially becomes a liquid.
It's only "very slow" at room temperature. Get a wood fire, and stick some iron in the coals. Or a forge (but don't fan it with the blower too much -- we want to stay at building fire temps, around 1400 degrees F (760 degrees C).) The iron will form a coat of oxide very fast. If it's doing it that quickly the power density will be much, MUCH bigger than 1-2 cal per day/sq foot! Now if that heat gets trapped by iron on top which is also rusting too...
And how many years of experience working with explosives or demolition contractors? Did you know steel can burn? Did you know that? Appeals to authority are also not valid arguments -- they do not prove ANYTHING. I won't take something I know is not logically and scientifically valid, PERIOD!!! I don't care WHO it comes from -- the WHO is 100% *IRRELEVANT*.
If you really have a bacground in physics and chemistry, you should be even more emberassed about your inane comments. At least the rest of these idiots can blame their idiocy on a lack of education; you don't have that excuse.
I also find it laughable that you think:
"The official story is disproven. A mere 16% of you still believe in it"
I can't stop "lying" since the "lies" are the truth and I believe them. And they are supported with LOGIC. You do not want to accept this. Also, a real explosive demolition does NOT involve thermate, thermite, or any other "booster" like that. Shaped charges have more than enough punch. Also, if explosives were used, WHY DON'T WE HEAR THE BANGS?! LISTEN: watch?v=9Tt23MFsI2k. Notice how we hear just a continuous roar, no bangs. Here's a REAL demolition, Notice the LOUD bangs: watch?v=7Ng5qwtR59A
Steel can be ignited in a forge.Any size, provided it gets hot.Now we don't have a forge here, but we do have something that can generate high temperatures as well. We have steel all piled up and twisted together: a heat trap. Then we have a fire under/in it. This generates more heat. <continued in another comment to get around Youtube's 500 character limit>
I do not know I am a liar, you like making accusations to cover weaknesses in your theory. I firmly believe he is WRONG. A rebuttal would be far too long to post here. Here's a link to a fairly good one. There is a LOT of critique though on the Debunking911 dot com website.
Ah, ofcourse. First the theory was "IT WUZ EXPLOSIVES!!!". Then, when that was debunked, everyone switched to "NO< IT WAZ DUH THARMATE!!1!!". Now that this has also been debunked, the new theory is "NONONO IT WAHS DAH THARMUTE AND DA AXEPLOSIVES!!ONE!1!ELEVEN!!"
Make up your fucking minds already. You go through theories more often than Michael Moore goes through underwear. What's your next theory going to be? "thermate, explosives, and space lasers"?
<continued from previous comment> This heat causes the iron to oxidize, or rust (and it doesn't have to get to the fire point to do this). This rusting releases heat, increasing the temperature further and causing a feedback loop. Eventually the steel ignites and melts the rest of the pile.
I welcome coherent, civil discourse with ANYONE capable of it. I do not ask that you agree with me. I DO ask that you conduct yourself in a civil manner. ONLY civil discourse can be productive discourse. The only way we can be free and live in a free society nis through open and civil discourse.
"*sigh* people use the word "explosion" to describe pretty much any loud noise."
Especially explosions.
Structural concrete is stronger than aluminum. The witnessed powerdering destruction of structural concrete, and marble, - floors and walls, and lobbies, and stairways, and tool shops, and cars, and people, -probably- goes beyond the effects of a mysteriously self-generating 'loud noise'.
It's called gravitational potential energy. You would have needed 260 TONS of TNT to equal the ammount of energy contained within each tower. That's about 200 pickup trucks, full of TNT. Now go ahead, try and tell me again just why explosives were needed to "powder" concrete.
c6gunner, it was NOT TNT but THERMATE which CUTS through STEEL! How do you explain the molten steel in bottom of towers months AFTER 9-11? How do you explain the fact that builder of towers said they were built to with stand Boeing 727 hitting them? How do you explain firefighter's and other witnesses saying they heard explosions going off! It was THERMATE moron, NOT TNT!
I've used thermate so I know what it does and does not do. It deffinitely isn't used to cut vertical columns. And even were I to accept your idiotic speculation, the other twoofer on here would disagree with you since he seems to be saying that massive explosions were required to pulverize all that concrete, and thermate deffinitely doesn't explode. Nor does it sound like "explosions".
Ddi you know that in a real explosive demolition, the explosives only serve to take away the _support columns_, and even then only in a few specific places? The resulting dust cloud only forms while the building is collapsing, _after_ the charges went off. Gee, I wonder what is causing it? Gravity, perhaps? If gravity can do it there, why not with any sort of total, catastrophic collapse? <continued in next comment to circumvent Youtube's 500 character limit>
Ie. pulverized concrete proves NOTHING. If explosives were used to pulverize it, the whole building would explode with a catastrophic shockwave like a mini-nuke, NOT implode!
*sigh* people use the word "explosion" to describe pretty much any loud noise. Hell, I've got a quote of one of the survivors who says that the people who jumped off of the WTC sounded "like explosions" when they hit the ground. Let me guess, Geroge Doubleya wired all those people up with C4 so they'd sound like explosions when they hit the ground, right?
Seriously how can people be this stupid without forgetting to breathe?
Your a moronic,gullible naive stupid sheeple! George W has said TWICE that he saw FIRST plane hit tower,when there is NO way he could have as video was NOT out til next day! How do you explain that?
c6gunner, Do you know Bush's brother worked for security firm of WTC, Dulles and United or that his cousin also was CEO of SAME firm? Or that Jeb Bush signed an executive order 4 DAYS PRIOR to 9-11, authorizing use of Guard out,in "cases of acts of terrorism" proving FOREKNOWLEDGE! WHAT ABOUT 9-11 BEING AN INSIDE JOB WITH MOSSAD HELP DON'T YOU F*CKING UNDERSTAND??? DO THE DAMN RESEARCH MORON!9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB! FACT!
c6gunner, and WHAT lies are you talking about? What "irrelevances"? Your soo damn stupid,gullible and naive and BRAINWASHED! Relax hell! They are about to do it again only this time with nukes and stupid, gullible naive in denial sheeple like you REFUSE to see the truth! Did you know bomb sniffing dogs were removed from towers on Sept. 6th,WHY? Get a fucking clue! 9-11 WAS an inside job! And I did NOT lie about ANYTHING! What do you think I lied about?
And after I ask you to stop with the lies and irrelevancies, you just keep right on going. Your claim about the dogs was answered FIVE YEARS AGO. We know that dogs were brought to the WTC on a periodic basis - they weren't normally stationed there. And even if you were 100% correct, so what? Dogs can't smell thermate, and the WTC could not have been wired up in the 5 days, so your claim is utterly irrelevant. Seriously, do at least a bit of research before spouting this nonsense.
We all saw planes hit the twin towers. We all saw the twin towers EXPLODE into dust with explosives. They did NOT COLLAPSE. 1100 bodies were NEVER recovered. WHAT?! How could that be? They were sent into that cloud of dust by EXPLOSIVES. watch --> 911 mysteries, ultimate con trailer, loose change, 911 in plane site, terror storm, money masters <-- in memory of those who perished PLEASE question the official story... 1100. never found. gone. turned into dust, tell others
has anybody had da idea dat mayb,just mayb, da terrorist planted bombs inside da twin towers like a day or week or some shit b4 9/11. they knew dat 9/11 was go-day and da planes were goin 2 crash so i think da terrorist mite have put bombs inside b4 9/11 2 make da buildings collapse.dats wat i think.
These are important historical peices! Please collect all of them in one DVD collection for future prosecution of the perpetrators. We in NYC all heard them and NYC police and firefighters are now suffering blood cancers, and i dont want to hear tell of the bullys bothering them.
HAHAHA, NO EVIDENCE?! ... there's loads of evidence to support this theory, but I guess you're too brainwashed to even consider it. And have you ever witnessed jet fuel burn? It doesn't make the sound of an load explosion that you would be able to hear OUTSIDE the building nor would you be able to feel the effects (rumbling) that everyone noted.
lol, just because there's one conspiracy that I support because it has a fair amount of evidence to support it, doesn't mean that I support all conspiracies and go chasing UFOs. Just give this one a little time, and I think there will be some more investigation into it. But if your afraid to even question your government, or look at something from a different viewpoint than your own, then to me, your brainwashed. Also, you might want to look into an English tutor too MokomaSusi.
Okay, what's the evidence besides people hearing things like explosions? Did anyone see any explosives? No. Were any detritus of explosives, detonators, cabling, etc. found in the rubble? No. Were any unmistakable demo charges seen or heard? No. Do any demo experts say the twin towers came down in controlled demolitions? No. So what's this "loads of evidence?" Not assertions. Not questions. Evidence.
Dude, there was a crap load of evidence found. Experts have proved that these were textbook scenarios of controlled explosions. And tower 7 had exploded minutes BEFORE towers 2 or 3 had even come down. think about it.
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That's not evidence. That's assertions. And their completely baseless. Not a sigle demolition expert says explosives brought donw the towers. Not even one. Building 7 did not explode before the towers came down. Where did you get this from - some Joe Blow unaccountable conspiracy web site?
Not true. Peter Tully, of Tully construction said he saw pools of molten steel.Mark Loizeaux,president of Controlled Demolitions Inc.,THE company for controlled demolitions confirmed this, hot spots down the elevator shafts 7 basement levels,weeks later.This implicitly acknowledges controlled demolition.
haha, you're hilarious, theres over a 150 different architects and demolition experts that say 9/11 was an inside job, and WTC buildings were taken down with explosives.
There were indeed explosions caused by the jet fuel cascading down utility and elevator shafts. In addition, as building parts cracked or fell, they made loud sounds that people may have mistaken for explosions. There is no evidence that there were any bombs or planted explosives.
yes 4/20 cause hitler is the same as the terorists now. Amerika armed germany prior to ww2. debris? things explode? since when people falling to death explode? Bombs explode and when you hear it you know its bomb, its not debris, its not people, its not things, its a damn bomb.
There's another video in which you hear "explosions" except these sounds was actually people falling to their death. Plus you have to remember there's debris falling. Heavy chunks of debris.
@infamous1337 things blowing up from what??? The elevator shafts were sealed air tight units and offset from floor to floor. No elevator ran from top to bottom. I highly doubt the fire had enough steam to make it down 70 some flights of stairs with that kind of force even if they weren't. The majority of the fuel burns up on impact, typical of any plane crash if you study up. So what caused the explosions?
Kevin McNeil one of the WTC survivors on that fateful 9 Sep 2001 day. Which proves once and for all, to old T-Bowlers that -- THE WHEEL RULES!
BigIronOnHipMan2 2 months ago
One mechanic said he went to the machine room - below floor level - after one enormous explosion - and found "a fifty ton hydraulic press - completely gone!" A 300 pound fireproof door was wrinkled up like tissue paper. No doubt the Bush family had access to the towers and planted explosives, while Cheney organised a missle hitting the pentagon while the aircraft, as witnesses report, flow up to but then over the building and away. Can hardly believe even the Bush family would stoop so low
iain399 9 months ago
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No fly zone is hypocrisy, it did not save a single life in Iraq & Kosovo. 50 Libyan are being killed each day by Qaddafi forces. Only Arshad Khan can persuade Qaddafi to leave Libya within 24 hours & give Libya to Libyan.
justicepartyuk 10 months ago
Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, and John F. Kennedy, were the United State's REAL Presidents.. They tried to reduce governments power and increased, the people's power, The every-day American citizen. They also tried to destroy dangerous secret groups / societies. When is the next REAL American president?
GhostRecon756 1 year ago
this fucking zionist jews again.they are lice cancer ware ever they are
AMIRsarkari 2 years ago
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@AMIRsarkari watch this mate
watch?v=GsUtvOW6SR0 - Al Qaeda actors exposed
ODAL123 2 years ago
Looking for anyone may have found a major collection of photos news clippings of fbi or police or boeing employees dated 1954 military police anythink stack of unusual in the world trade center photos of cops and police cards of the pentagon did anyone yearbooks notice that cant find families before this
richmondpalmbay62 2 years ago
the cops are in the buiding i read that yall slaughtered them all in 1975 america was over in new york it took 1 year to do this why were in the building a bomb I saw the children fall just before air force one planes boeing hit the tower who do you think you all are in florida still id theft cant fly
richmondpalmbay62 2 years ago
5:00 what is that white stuff on towers lower part. never seen that before.
linzki 2 years ago
Well, there we have it folks, proof of what NIST has failed to acknowledge that the buildings collapse was assisted, as many experts all around the world have already summised.
No doubt the official line will be that they aren't credible witnesses because they are all in a confused state of shock and panic....
It's just one load of BS from the Adminstration after the other. When are people going to wake up and smell the coffee with 9/11?
death2hiphopnRnB 2 years ago
'Terrorist Paranoya' it's clearly a inside job. A shoplifter goes to jail, Bush and co. barbecue on the ranch. There should be a aftermatch, leathal injection ore gas chamber for Bush and co.
commodore64738 2 years ago
of course the fact that they pump gas to the upper floors for heating had nothing to do with these "secondary explosions"
mynameisdarthtater 2 years ago
Whatever... but to give no mention of these eyewitness accounts of explosions in the NIST report....
Wouldn't you say that's a very slight oversight, at best?
death2hiphopnRnB 2 years ago
@death2hiphopnRnB I guess because all the "Heroes" and reporters who were there that seen and heard are liars in NIST eyes.
rebel937 1 year ago
isn't heating done with hot water? unscrew your radiator at home... it ain't gas.
berbbb 2 years ago
watch?v=5IqSsTmWv7k
geemodowo 3 years ago
the last anchorman was speaking the truth!
Melo15xSTAT1 3 years ago
did people survive
12ganstermj 3 years ago
wow your an idiot
DominoEffect8993 3 years ago
i think that the terroriest or how ever u spell it had made a plan were they planted the small explosives, cut the under iferstructures at an angle"not all the way" and then crash the planes into the buildings
when that happened they lit the explosives and the rumble would snap the iferstructures
bringing the whole thing down
sorry for my spelling
mike1220115 3 years ago
@ koolala welcome to world prison, thanx for your help to build it. Greets from europe
mindtrips 3 years ago
Sorry Bro.
perry911 3 years ago
The people who claim to have heard explosions going off hate America and its freedom.
koolala 3 years ago
Are u a Zionist PIG U piece of SHIT!?!?
perry911 3 years ago 4
Hold on there buddy---I was being sarcastic, a smart-ass, if you will.
Remember, right after 9-11, anyone who didn't tow the party line was accused of 'hating our freedom.'
koolala 3 years ago
On the video, Barry Jennings (Deputy Director of Emergency Services dept) is actually talking about explosions in *WTC 7* before either of the Twin Towers had come down. Jennings and his colleague got trapped inside WTC 7 and had to be rescued by the firefighters. This while the Twin Towers were still standing. Search for "9/11 WTC 7 BOMBS WITNESS" on YouTube.
Finnquirer 4 years ago 2
the explosion sound is the sound of large parts of debris falling. everyone haz there mind set on that it was an inside job. it can all be explained
natesmomishot 4 years ago
your gay
warrensburghNY 4 years ago
You're still lying about the poll, and now you're lying about how cutter charges work.
But I suppose when "Da TWOOTH!" is on your side, you can lie all you want, right?
c6gunner 4 years ago
Your poll: "tinyurlDOTcom/yz45x4" says NOTHING about demolitions. The question is: "When it comes to WHAT THEY KNEW PRIOR to September 11th, 2001, about POSSIBLE TERRORIST ATTACKS against the United States, do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?" [emph. mine]
mike4ty4 4 years ago
You are? Then you DO know that they don't use Thermite in demolitions, right? You'd better! And you DO know charges make a loud report, right? You'd better.
mike4ty4 4 years ago
Just like you've been shown the truth and you have made up your mind: You are not going to listen.
Always they come your way? Well, take this: I myself once believed in your stuff. I am not lying when I say that. But then I started to see problems with it, and I have since become a skeptic.
The MISINTERPRETED poll does not say anything about bombs. SHOW ME A POLL THAT SAYS "DID YOU BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT PUT BOMBS IN THE BUILDING?".
mike4ty4 4 years ago
They told enough to be mostly right about HOW the buildings were destroyed. They might not have told enough about who did what to CAUSE that -- like did Bush, for example, conspire with the terrorists? I'd bet money he did. No thermite required. They were friends after all. REAL terrorist involvement certainly makes a much more convincing pretext for war.
mike4ty4 4 years ago
These numbers do not prove anything. People believing something DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE! That is the concept you can't seem to get your head around! You obviously do not know that "ad populum" is a FALLACY. Now you do. Are you gonna listen?
mike4ty4 4 years ago
Maybe NIST was wrong. But it IS possible to cause steel to sag in a fire. Discovery Channel aired a program where they showed steel beams sagging and drooping during an experiment designed for this. Can you critique that experiment? Now imagine that happening with crappy rivets, with over half the building's load-bearing capacity destroyed, and with even bigger fires.
mike4ty4 4 years ago
Like I said, you need to learn to read polls. You're obviously lying about your education, too, you've got the spelling and grammar skills of a highschool dropout, and the reasoning skills of a religious fundamentalist. Either way, you're wasting our time with this nonsense, and you're unnecessarily spamming this video with your 500 posts of drooling drivel. If you've got nothing informative to contribute, I suggest you stop.
c6gunner 4 years ago
And even if the polls did say what he wants them to say, it still wouldn't prove anything, since ad populum is a logical fallacy.
mike4ty4 4 years ago
Since your "education" doesn't seem to have covered basic reading skills, I'll help you out. Here is what the poll actually says:
When asked about what the Bush admin claims they knew about terrorism pre-911, 69% of respondents said that they were either telling the truth or mostly telling the truth. Only 21% said they were "mostly lying". Also, "mostly lying" doesn't mean they believe in YOUR insane theories, only that they think the Bush admin lied.
Better luck with your next lie.
c6gunner 4 years ago
Like I said, learn to read polls. That particular poll doesn't come close to showing what you say it does.
And if you truly have any sort of education more advanced than grade 9, then the US educational system is in worse shape than I though.
c6gunner 4 years ago
Also, here's some people with "science degrees" taking pot shots at YOUR theories, NOT the official ones:
(remove Xs to get URL -- I have to get this legit message past Youtube's spam filters -- use Notepad
and the "replace" function to get 'em out):
hXtXtXpX:X/X/XwXwXwX.XcXiXvXiXlX.XnXoXrXtXhXwXeXsXtXeXrXnX.XeXdXuX/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/00%20WTC%20Collapse%20-%20What%20Did%20%26%20Did%20Not%20Cause%20It%20-%205-2007.pdf
mike4ty4 4 years ago
And the reason you can't "talk" people into it is because they do not WANT to believe it. It has NOTHING to do with logic, it has to do with stubborn refusal to accept logic. Becuase of that, I'm not going to bother with this debate any more. This sad lack of logic and reason in our society is, of course, why so many people voted for Bush in the first place.
mike4ty4 4 years ago
What scientific lab testing? You have to provide some EVIDENCE here.
mike4ty4 4 years ago
I never said it was a forge, I was using an example. You can do it under 1800 C when you get heat _building up_ from reactions occuring inside the pile. Since they are _exo_thermic they will raise the temperature. Paper ignites at 451 F but the flame can go over 2000 F due to the _exo_thermic combustion reaction (oxidation!). Yet, according to your argument, this can't be happening. PS. Where's the
mike4ty4 4 years ago
You also have not cited the demolition technique that involves thermite. Thermite is NEVER used in building implosions. Charges do not need "softener" to soften the steel. The *pressure* they create is so much (around several million PSI dynamic) that the steel essentially becomes a liquid.
mike4ty4 4 years ago
I don't care if anyone chuckles, I know what logic says.
mike4ty4 4 years ago
It's only "very slow" at room temperature. Get a wood fire, and stick some iron in the coals. Or a forge (but don't fan it with the blower too much -- we want to stay at building fire temps, around 1400 degrees F (760 degrees C).) The iron will form a coat of oxide very fast. If it's doing it that quickly the power density will be much, MUCH bigger than 1-2 cal per day/sq foot! Now if that heat gets trapped by iron on top which is also rusting too...
mike4ty4 4 years ago
And how many years of experience working with explosives or demolition contractors? Did you know steel can burn? Did you know that? Appeals to authority are also not valid arguments -- they do not prove ANYTHING. I won't take something I know is not logically and scientifically valid, PERIOD!!! I don't care WHO it comes from -- the WHO is 100% *IRRELEVANT*.
mike4ty4 4 years ago
What twisting?
mike4ty4 4 years ago
If you really have a bacground in physics and chemistry, you should be even more emberassed about your inane comments. At least the rest of these idiots can blame their idiocy on a lack of education; you don't have that excuse.
I also find it laughable that you think:
"The official story is disproven. A mere 16% of you still believe in it"
My suggestion is that you learn to read polls.
Have a good day.
c6gunner 4 years ago
I can't stop "lying" since the "lies" are the truth and I believe them. And they are supported with LOGIC. You do not want to accept this. Also, a real explosive demolition does NOT involve thermate, thermite, or any other "booster" like that. Shaped charges have more than enough punch. Also, if explosives were used, WHY DON'T WE HEAR THE BANGS?! LISTEN: watch?v=9Tt23MFsI2k. Notice how we hear just a continuous roar, no bangs. Here's a REAL demolition, Notice the LOUD bangs: watch?v=7Ng5qwtR59A
mike4ty4 4 years ago
Steel can be ignited in a forge.Any size, provided it gets hot.Now we don't have a forge here, but we do have something that can generate high temperatures as well. We have steel all piled up and twisted together: a heat trap. Then we have a fire under/in it. This generates more heat. <continued in another comment to get around Youtube's 500 character limit>
mike4ty4 4 years ago
I do not know I am a liar, you like making accusations to cover weaknesses in your theory. I firmly believe he is WRONG. A rebuttal would be far too long to post here. Here's a link to a fairly good one. There is a LOT of critique though on the Debunking911 dot com website.
mike4ty4 4 years ago
Ah, ofcourse. First the theory was "IT WUZ EXPLOSIVES!!!". Then, when that was debunked, everyone switched to "NO< IT WAZ DUH THARMATE!!1!!". Now that this has also been debunked, the new theory is "NONONO IT WAHS DAH THARMUTE AND DA AXEPLOSIVES!!ONE!1!ELEVEN!!"
Make up your fucking minds already. You go through theories more often than Michael Moore goes through underwear. What's your next theory going to be? "thermate, explosives, and space lasers"?
c6gunner 4 years ago
<continued from previous comment> This heat causes the iron to oxidize, or rust (and it doesn't have to get to the fire point to do this). This rusting releases heat, increasing the temperature further and causing a feedback loop. Eventually the steel ignites and melts the rest of the pile.
mike4ty4 4 years ago
Professor Jones has been debunked again and again and again and again and again and again...
mike4ty4 4 years ago
I welcome coherent, civil discourse with ANYONE capable of it. I do not ask that you agree with me. I DO ask that you conduct yourself in a civil manner. ONLY civil discourse can be productive discourse. The only way we can be free and live in a free society nis through open and civil discourse.
Hilary155 4 years ago
"Your a moron"
I see this typed in several comments to this video clip. "YOUR" is a possessive pronoun. "YOU'RE" is the verbal contraction for "you are".
IF you are going to attempt to insult someone else's intelligence, PLEASE do not make a 3rd grade grammar mistake while doing it.
Hilary155 4 years ago
"*sigh* people use the word "explosion" to describe pretty much any loud noise."
Especially explosions.
Structural concrete is stronger than aluminum. The witnessed powerdering destruction of structural concrete, and marble, - floors and walls, and lobbies, and stairways, and tool shops, and cars, and people, -probably- goes beyond the effects of a mysteriously self-generating 'loud noise'.
... duh ...
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aliciaasanon 4 years ago
It's called gravitational potential energy. You would have needed 260 TONS of TNT to equal the ammount of energy contained within each tower. That's about 200 pickup trucks, full of TNT. Now go ahead, try and tell me again just why explosives were needed to "powder" concrete.
c6gunner 4 years ago
c6gunner, it was NOT TNT but THERMATE which CUTS through STEEL! How do you explain the molten steel in bottom of towers months AFTER 9-11? How do you explain the fact that builder of towers said they were built to with stand Boeing 727 hitting them? How do you explain firefighter's and other witnesses saying they heard explosions going off! It was THERMATE moron, NOT TNT!
knows911truth 4 years ago
I've used thermate so I know what it does and does not do. It deffinitely isn't used to cut vertical columns. And even were I to accept your idiotic speculation, the other twoofer on here would disagree with you since he seems to be saying that massive explosions were required to pulverize all that concrete, and thermate deffinitely doesn't explode. Nor does it sound like "explosions".
c6gunner 4 years ago
Steel will BURN. Did you know that steel wool can Burn, as in Burn like Wood?
mike4ty4 4 years ago
Ddi you know that in a real explosive demolition, the explosives only serve to take away the _support columns_, and even then only in a few specific places? The resulting dust cloud only forms while the building is collapsing, _after_ the charges went off. Gee, I wonder what is causing it? Gravity, perhaps? If gravity can do it there, why not with any sort of total, catastrophic collapse? <continued in next comment to circumvent Youtube's 500 character limit>
mike4ty4 4 years ago
<continued from last comment>
Ie. pulverized concrete proves NOTHING. If explosives were used to pulverize it, the whole building would explode with a catastrophic shockwave like a mini-nuke, NOT implode!
mike4ty4 4 years ago
*sigh* people use the word "explosion" to describe pretty much any loud noise. Hell, I've got a quote of one of the survivors who says that the people who jumped off of the WTC sounded "like explosions" when they hit the ground. Let me guess, Geroge Doubleya wired all those people up with C4 so they'd sound like explosions when they hit the ground, right?
Seriously how can people be this stupid without forgetting to breathe?
c6gunner 4 years ago
Your a moronic,gullible naive stupid sheeple! George W has said TWICE that he saw FIRST plane hit tower,when there is NO way he could have as video was NOT out til next day! How do you explain that?
knows911truth 4 years ago
c6gunner, Do you know Bush's brother worked for security firm of WTC, Dulles and United or that his cousin also was CEO of SAME firm? Or that Jeb Bush signed an executive order 4 DAYS PRIOR to 9-11, authorizing use of Guard out,in "cases of acts of terrorism" proving FOREKNOWLEDGE! WHAT ABOUT 9-11 BEING AN INSIDE JOB WITH MOSSAD HELP DON'T YOU F*CKING UNDERSTAND??? DO THE DAMN RESEARCH MORON!9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB! FACT!
knows911truth 4 years ago
"knows", take a valium, relax, and then try again. Only this time, without the hyperbole, lies, and irrelevancies.
c6gunner 4 years ago
c6gunner, and WHAT lies are you talking about? What "irrelevances"? Your soo damn stupid,gullible and naive and BRAINWASHED! Relax hell! They are about to do it again only this time with nukes and stupid, gullible naive in denial sheeple like you REFUSE to see the truth! Did you know bomb sniffing dogs were removed from towers on Sept. 6th,WHY? Get a fucking clue! 9-11 WAS an inside job! And I did NOT lie about ANYTHING! What do you think I lied about?
knows911truth 4 years ago
And after I ask you to stop with the lies and irrelevancies, you just keep right on going. Your claim about the dogs was answered FIVE YEARS AGO. We know that dogs were brought to the WTC on a periodic basis - they weren't normally stationed there. And even if you were 100% correct, so what? Dogs can't smell thermate, and the WTC could not have been wired up in the 5 days, so your claim is utterly irrelevant. Seriously, do at least a bit of research before spouting this nonsense.
c6gunner 4 years ago
We all saw planes hit the twin towers. We all saw the twin towers EXPLODE into dust with explosives. They did NOT COLLAPSE. 1100 bodies were NEVER recovered. WHAT?! How could that be? They were sent into that cloud of dust by EXPLOSIVES. watch --> 911 mysteries, ultimate con trailer, loose change, 911 in plane site, terror storm, money masters <-- in memory of those who perished PLEASE question the official story... 1100. never found. gone. turned into dust, tell others
bbruhwiler8 4 years ago
has anybody had da idea dat mayb,just mayb, da terrorist planted bombs inside da twin towers like a day or week or some shit b4 9/11. they knew dat 9/11 was go-day and da planes were goin 2 crash so i think da terrorist mite have put bombs inside b4 9/11 2 make da buildings collapse.dats wat i think.
matthew562 4 years ago
Well you certainly are a great spokeperson for the "Lies" movement aren't you?
mikester420 4 years ago
These are important historical peices! Please collect all of them in one DVD collection for future prosecution of the perpetrators. We in NYC all heard them and NYC police and firefighters are now suffering blood cancers, and i dont want to hear tell of the bullys bothering them.
avecaway 4 years ago
HAHAHA, NO EVIDENCE?! ... there's loads of evidence to support this theory, but I guess you're too brainwashed to even consider it. And have you ever witnessed jet fuel burn? It doesn't make the sound of an load explosion that you would be able to hear OUTSIDE the building nor would you be able to feel the effects (rumbling) that everyone noted.
nicnac7 5 years ago
Yeah, we arae just all sheeps becos we dont believe conspiracy. Dont you should be chasing UFO's or what did you do before 9/11?
MokomaSusi 5 years ago
lol, just because there's one conspiracy that I support because it has a fair amount of evidence to support it, doesn't mean that I support all conspiracies and go chasing UFOs. Just give this one a little time, and I think there will be some more investigation into it. But if your afraid to even question your government, or look at something from a different viewpoint than your own, then to me, your brainwashed. Also, you might want to look into an English tutor too MokomaSusi.
nicnac7 5 years ago
Okay, what's the evidence besides people hearing things like explosions? Did anyone see any explosives? No. Were any detritus of explosives, detonators, cabling, etc. found in the rubble? No. Were any unmistakable demo charges seen or heard? No. Do any demo experts say the twin towers came down in controlled demolitions? No. So what's this "loads of evidence?" Not assertions. Not questions. Evidence.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
there was no evidence of explosive devices.
i know.
i was fighting it
beachell 5 years ago
Interesting comment, hope you weren't too near the toxic dust.
ft65 4 years ago
i saw it, i got some people out even though im 11
beachell 4 years ago
Dude, there was a crap load of evidence found. Experts have proved that these were textbook scenarios of controlled explosions. And tower 7 had exploded minutes BEFORE towers 2 or 3 had even come down. think about it.
jesusman121 4 years ago 16
This comment has received too many negative votes show
That's not evidence. That's assertions. And their completely baseless. Not a sigle demolition expert says explosives brought donw the towers. Not even one. Building 7 did not explode before the towers came down. Where did you get this from - some Joe Blow unaccountable conspiracy web site?
PoetryHound 4 years ago
Not true. Peter Tully, of Tully construction said he saw pools of molten steel.Mark Loizeaux,president of Controlled Demolitions Inc.,THE company for controlled demolitions confirmed this, hot spots down the elevator shafts 7 basement levels,weeks later.This implicitly acknowledges controlled demolition.
roscogre 4 years ago 5
haha, you're hilarious, theres over a 150 different architects and demolition experts that say 9/11 was an inside job, and WTC buildings were taken down with explosives.
goldenskatearmy 3 years ago 12
Who?
mshamann 3 years ago
@goldenskatearmy its now over 1500 architects and demolition experts that say it WAS an inside job!
lucifershydrogen 1 year ago
There were indeed explosions caused by the jet fuel cascading down utility and elevator shafts. In addition, as building parts cracked or fell, they made loud sounds that people may have mistaken for explosions. There is no evidence that there were any bombs or planted explosives.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
it was all planned isnt it a conincidence? that there was bombs down there ? all planned by bush
megadeth1983 5 years ago
yes 4/20 cause hitler is the same as the terorists now. Amerika armed germany prior to ww2. debris? things explode? since when people falling to death explode? Bombs explode and when you hear it you know its bomb, its not debris, its not people, its not things, its a damn bomb.
4un4o 5 years ago
ummm...what?
theestrangednacho 5 years ago
There's another video in which you hear "explosions" except these sounds was actually people falling to their death. Plus you have to remember there's debris falling. Heavy chunks of debris.
NGwarfare 5 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL4isaZRapY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saICe3domSE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F0MnfzkOhM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnVIogawlmk
nickv11763 5 years ago
I wonder when the Pentagon's Gas station's surveillance videos will be released....
egnilk66 5 years ago
never, it will give everything away. and they can't alow that
Roadiepat 5 years ago
I agree with you 100%.
egnilk66 5 years ago
dude, the secondary explosions are just things blowing up, not bombs. THINK!
infamous1337 5 years ago
"When you are down there, Dan, you hear smaller secondary explosions going off every 15 or 20 minutes". - Reporter
THINK! is right.
thetruthwillout 5 years ago
no...i disagree
infamous1337 5 years ago
...maybe...i really dont know
infamous1337 5 years ago
nope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL4isaZRapY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saICe3domSE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F0MnfzkOhM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnVIogawlmk
nickv11763 5 years ago
@infamous1337 things blowing up from what??? The elevator shafts were sealed air tight units and offset from floor to floor. No elevator ran from top to bottom. I highly doubt the fire had enough steam to make it down 70 some flights of stairs with that kind of force even if they weren't. The majority of the fuel burns up on impact, typical of any plane crash if you study up. So what caused the explosions?
rebel937 1 year ago
it's no surpirse you posted thsi on 4/20 you stoner
towk221 5 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL4isaZRapY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saICe3domSE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F0MnfzkOhM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnVIogawlmk
nickv11763 5 years ago