Our purpose is to keep resistance solidly anti-capitalist, uncompromising, total, and global. Let the capitalists have no quiet city. Let the forces of reform no longer use as silent foot soldiers. Let capitalism feel another blow. -Black Bloc Papers
Anarchism doesn't imply chaos. You can look around on the internet to find very intricate explanations of exactly how different strains of anarchism would work in terms of economics and social workings. Please enlighten yourself.
BLACK BLOC ARE POLICE PROVOCATEURS PUT IN PLACE TO PROVOKE AGGRESSION AND GIVE POLICE AN EXCUSE TO MAKE ARRESTS WITH THE LONG TERM GOAL OF MORE SECURITY TO THE POINT OF NO FREEDOM WHATSOEVER! WAKE UP.
not so sure about that, seeing as I was there. Black bloc is a tactic designed to spur on the revolution, so we can have a system without the police or government.
@opti296 I think the governments need to improve, but if we have total chaos and anarchy then its survival of the fittest. What I'm saying is that after I hunt for my food or find a female to reproduce with that I will kill you if you get near me. Thats what you want? Back to the stone ages? You want to live like the people in Africa where the strongest gangs rob and pillage and rape you daughter or wife? Come on man, we need to civility and structure. People would kill each other for water.
@m4rkmcra3 at what point does it become okay for you to fight back? when you are being loaded onto the trains? you might not want to fight then either, you might provoke them!
@m4rkmcra3 that's moronic to say the least. While it comes as no surprise that the police have indeed infiltrated black bloc demonstrations, the idea that the black bloc is a police organisation is ridiculous, this is an accusation that is not new and most of these accusations seem to come from the peaceful protest groups. just because some players choose not to obey the rules of pacifism don't be too critical on these individuals. They may not come to help you when you need it most.
One of the problems the UK faces is that we've been a well-off, relatively law-abiding society for so long that people have forgotten how bad it is when this breaks down. So ignorant people blame the police for trying to stop the thuggery we saw that day, and they forget the thugs.
The UKUncut person's evasion of the first question was revolting. There are clearly people in the UK who want to destroy it, but for what? So we can try and rebuild civilization again from complete ruin?
Hooligans how about angry people who are sick of being pushed around by there goverment! There is a multi millon dollar royal wedding on the way and they are liveing it up well the people are faced with austerity measures,Cuts,Reform,Tution hikes i find it all crazy
the problem is that the uncut team were singled out due to pressure from 'above'..the female officer at F&M kept them in the building desite them wanting to leave..thus contributing to the 'crime' no damage was done by the uncut team and no harassing the shoppers ever happened..presumably nicking anyone for anything is ok in some peoples world..some people think that protesting itself is a crime..we'll getback to you on that when you lose your job andhouse knocked down
It's not brainwashing or "false consciousness" that explains this attitude, it's maturity of mind. If all the strategists at Labour HQ are having trouble drawing up a detailed spending plan there is little chance that Ukuncut or black bloc will be able to produce one. Face it, for most of the rioters it's a bit of a laugh, for the more earnest it's a fashionable dalliance with radialism before they go on to get careers. There is no chance of a revolution in this country, thankfully.
The majority of people are happy with some degree of economic inequality in society that's why Blac Block and the anarchists/marxists will always be in a tiny minority. It's usually young people in their early 20's who have read a couple of radical texts and decided they want to belong to a gang for a bit. The majority want stability and are worldy enough to know that the system we have is more or less the best we can manage, and only needs tweaking now and again.
There's a grotesque fixation on blaming a side in this over who was violent.
Indeed, both the police *and* us anarchists were violent, but the matter of interest is who has the moral high ground. We are the proletarian slaves lashing out against our masters; a justification in my eyes.
"Those who lay a hand on me to govern me are tyrants, and I declare them my enemy"
@Anima14 Cripes, I thought irony had wiped out this kind of thing. I'm quite impressed.
Are you actually a proletatian slave though? I have a feeling you are probably a well fed, middle-class sociology student in need of a bit of female company. Why don't you get in touch with sophia on page 2? you could compare notes on redundant anarchist philosophers. She's quite cute y'know. T'would be a romance forged in the red-hot fires of political radicalism...
Actually, chicks dig black bloc riots! I fell in love in the middle of one last year. Nothing quite like seeing big blue eyes behind a ski-mask for the first time as the riot cops charge. I'm a sucker for women who lob projectiles at the police, what can I say? Great way to meet other passionate radicals. We don't really DO dating websites so ...
@Anima14 "I'm a proletarian, working class motherfucker..."
You sound doubly cursed. Does this explain your reluctance to get in touch with the pert young LaSophia?
Shame. I often feel sad for your generation, fed on an intellectual diet of abstract rights. Half of you on medication for depression, the other half growing up sexually confused because of the gradual undermining of the idea of manhood in our culture. Karl Marx + Emminem = not much to work with.
@MrJackonion I have never read Marx, I don't listen to Eminem, I don't know who this Sophie is, I rather often have periods of moral nihilism and as such understand that rights are fictitious and are not granted to us in the cosmic sense but, y'know, it does well to strive for rights in order for sentient beings like ourselves to live our existence in something resembling peace. I feel disappointed in myself for retorting and telling you things about myself, but I had to because you seem E-smug.
@Anima14 Guilty as charged! yes I am capable of smugness. However, I am genuinely sorry to learn you often have periods of moral nihilism. Being an old fogey I have had time to discover that lasting peace of mind comes from within and not so much from the pursuit of external political causes. Funny you should mention it but I think the "cosmic sense" is worth looking into. Ever tried meditation? did wonders for me. All the best.
@MaxKrane I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave earlier:
So a bunch of people, all wearing the same kit, doing the same thing in the same place at the same time are a "tactic of protest" not a group? By the way you don't have to answer that question, it's not a fair question, in fact you can just reject the premise of that question.
I saw Arsenal play the other day. It occurred to me that they are not actually a football team. They are a tactic.
@MrJackonion Correct. Firstly black bloc were NOT all the in the same place at the same time, secondly they were not all doing the same thing (some were peacefully protesting) finally (and most significantly) they do not all hold one shared aim or ideology.
Your Arsenal analogy is flawed as they (Arsenal) all have the same goal (excuse the pun) and work as one which is NOT true of black bloc.
@MaxKrane Pun excused. My response was to the claim that black bloc (k?) is a tactic of protest. You seem to be in agreement with me, in so far as you also think they are people. And they all wear black (blac?). At least the ones wearing black were. Are there other members of blac bloc who don't wear black? if that is the case a change of name would seem to be in order. Unless of course the first guy was right about them (it?) being a tactic. It's all very mysterious...
@MrJackonion Sorry for not making myself clear Black (which has a k) Bloc (see Resist26 or Wikipedia websites) IS a tactic. Those who employ the tactic do not share the things I described below, I do not mean that some black bloc don't wear black I mean some that do employ the black bloc tactic do not share anarchists views.
It's no "own goal" - it's the press that's working against us. As if some kids breaking windows does anything to devalue our cause or weaken our collective power... how laughable. I'll be laughing when we all come out together on strike!
@TyrannisSicSemper "You said the only difference between you and the state is the use of violence to achieve your goals."
No, I didn't. Learn to read carefully or use quotations if you can't avoid making straw man arguments. If you have a point to make then make it but stop acting like you're trying to school me. It makes you look like an arrogant prick.
@TyrannisSicSemper I have an opinion on how everyone should behave. I don't think anyone should rape, murder, steal, etc. Yet, I guess that's pretty arrogant too, huh?
@TyrannisSicSemper You clearly don't know what "authoritarian" means. It doesn't mean "disapproving of other people's behavior". If I were walking around curb-stomping everyone that disagrees with me then you'd have some semblance of a point. I have a feeling that I'm making you look so stupid that any minute now you're going to claim you were just trolling.
Nope. No such luck. I'm legit. I don't really troll.
Just because you don't have the resources to enforce your views doesn't stop them from being authoritarian.
You're trying to tell the anarchist community how to behave ... lets take a moment to appreciate the absurdity of that together ... K? Still with me? So best of luck with your future youtube debates, but nobody really reads this shit so you can't "make people look stupid" in any meaningful way. We done?
@TyrannisSicSemper "Just because you don't have the resources to enforce your views doesn't stop them from being authoritarian."
Like I said, I don't support aggression. I wouldn't enforce them if I could therefore I'm not an authoritarian. QED.
However, if one of these morons were to damage *my* property, I would defend it, with deadly force if necessary but I would do the same to a carjacker or anyone else that doesn't respect property rights.
I don't dispute people defending their own personal property.
The majority of attacks by the black bloc target corporate property which is different.
You riled me with "stop doing this stuff and making us look bad" which is totally arbitrary. If you'd only said "this makes us look bad." That's your view and I'd disagree but I wouldn't accuse you of authoritarianism (albeit the latent kind).
@TyrannisSicSemper Give it up. Having a preference for other people's behavior and admonishing them to behave differently isn't authoritarian. It's opinionated, guilty as charged, but I'm no tyrant. Pull the stick out of your ass, jam it down your throat and STFU. Oh no, there I go again, being all authoritarian... Wait aren't you being authoritarian by telling me not to be authoritarian? HEAD ASPLODE.
But fact is, you represent a very noisy contingent of the armchair anarchists that don't get called out often enough because most of the active ones have better things to do. So it falls to gluttons for bullshit like me. Nobody is "making you look bad" except yourself. Spare us your sanctimonious authoritarian bullshit.
Get in the streets more often and maybe you'll have something useful to say.
@TyrannisSicSemper You didn't respond to any of my points which is a sign that you can't answer them. Like I said, I'm opinionated, so are you. That doesn't make me an authoritarian. You lose. You get nothing. Good day, sir. Destroying the property of others is a dick move. Corporate property is still private property. The fact that it is owned by several people rather than a single individual is irrelevant.
Dude ... you're a complete wall and I acknowledge that. Your views are authoritarian whether you like it or not. It's not my fault that simple logic is no match for your ego. That's your problem. What irks me is halfwits who haven't done their homework trying to call themselves anarchists and dictates terms and tactics to the rest of us.
ALL THE WHILE PRETENDING LIKE THEY'RE NOT JUST BARKING ORDERS LIKE THE PIGS.
@TyrannisSicSemper There's a difference between telling people what to do and telling them what to do under threat of violence. I'm sorry that you either can't tell the difference or won't acknowledge the difference because you're unable to admit when you're wrong.
I'm aware of that difference but it isn't the distinction you think it is. Someone can walk around their whole life secretly wishing they could order people around, never having the strength to do so and their views would still be authoritarian.
It's no wonder semantics is so frustrating for most people, takes a guy like me with the patience to call you out for trying to rewrite the god damn dictionary to suit your half-baked theories.
This is going in circles because of a logical fallacy and your unwillingness to see it.
You're confusing theory with practice.
You hold a view which you claim you would never enforce, but that doesn't change the nature of the view itself. It's a condescending and paternalistic attitude where you presume to know whats best for everyone and lecture them. Its at best, insulting, at worst, authoritarian. (think passive-aggressive)
@TyrannisSicSemper I never said I knew what was best for anyone. I'm just expressing my opinion, like you are currently expressing yours. It's funny how your arguments don't apply to yourself. As for the nature of the argument, I've already pointed out the difference between telling people what to do and telling them what to do under threat of violence. I'm not threatening violence and I would never use violence to enforce my opinion. Be a man and just admit you're wrong.
Dude, this is a semantic argument and clearly your ego is at stake here. I couldn't care less except that I've seen dozens like yourself who wont own what they're doing when they try and admonish the militants.
The gandhi-worshipping pacifists do it all the time too.
Tell everybody how to behave in the streets and then spin it like they're not just barking orders.
But they are.
Sure, the cops are much worse because they enforce their edicts. No argument there.
UKuncut is the most laughable group of angsty middle class children I have ever clapped eyes on - their comparison of their cause to a war is hilarious - not one of them understands real war, real imprisonment or real hardship. I happen to think the cuts are going too deep and I sympathise with key and low paid workers who are due to lose their jobs - but the gimps of UKuncut are about as far removed from that as its possible to be - floppy haired Tarquins and Henriettas with no grip on reality
ONE MILLION PEOPLE MARCHED AGAINST THE WAR AND DID IT DO US ANY GOOD?
THE LAST PASSIVE PROTEST I WAS WAS ON I HAD MY HEAD STAMPED ON 3 TIMES,SO THE POLICE CAN FUCK OFF,THEY WERE TREATED BETTER THAN WE ARE TREATED ,THEY ARE LUCKY.
@Nickcooper625 hahaha no, he means outclass as in we are winning the arguments. We, the anti-cuts movement, have the facts, the truth and public opinion on our side. What is it you hate about UK Uncut mate? or is it just coz the daily mail told you to hate us?
@regvarney What do you know about my policies on our debt? I think i understand more than you and your Daily Mail -in formed views. We could tax the rich, tax bankers bonuses for a start. But i suppose your answer is to build a big wall around the UK to keep everyone out and then to bomb the middle east? lol
@regvarney Reg! Thats big talk for a retired man like yourself. Think of your heart condition! And what about that hip! I'd have a rest and a nice cuppa if i was you mate. :)
@regvarney Reg, can I call you Reginold? Students actually go to lecturers. We learn things. We read books too. Maybe if you'd spent a little bit more time doing that and little bit less time looking at tabloids you wouldn't be so angry. Are you really happy Reginold? Really? Coz you seem really angry to me. I just don't think what you are doing is working for you? Maybe you should get involved in UK Uncut? Maybe if you got involved in the fight back against the cuts you wouldnt feel so angry.
@NottStuOcc Nothing wrong with tabloids.Just because I don"t read the Guardian(who does apart from the likes of you) doesn"t make me thick .Just because you are at some 3rd rate poly it doesn"t make you clever.
@regvarney Poor old Reginald! Worked so hard all his life. And now his pension is under attack! But does he blame the government who is attacking it? No! The tabloids told him to blame the students. The students and the inmigrants! So he will ignore all the facts, the many many facts, and he will write angry comments on the internet. :(
@LaSofia I"m doing fine financially ,love,thanks very much.Immigrants are good workers better than the local layabouts.As for writing angry comments online,you"re the one with the pathetic Millie Tant wordpress blog!
@LaSofia I"m a self made man.Hard work not poncing about in"adult" education .I expect little from the state unlike all you whinging students doing your meaningless degrees.As an employer I"d laugh at most graduate" "qualifications.
@LaSofia Loved the blog by the way.Best laugh I"ve had for ages,especially the letter to male activists.Those wooly liberals must wonder why they bother.
@regvarney Reg! Your back! Yay! I was really disappointed when I signed in and you hadn't responded to my comment pointing out that if you were "doing fine financially", in THIS economy/recession, you are essentially middle class!So I'm glad you've spent this time visiting the blog.As you will have seen in the comments, we have been inundated with support for our letter and have received overwhelmingly positive feedback. Of course there's always a few women-haters like yourself to keep us going!
@LaSofia Had a day or two in Wales.Would of gone further afield but the money it costs to run my Lear jet would frighten you so much you would be ordering well done steaks in no time.Bit unfair for you to call me a woman hater.If I really hated women I"d spend all day watching videos like the one you were criticising.I take it that PHD you"re doing isn"t in economics.
@regvarney Wales? What? I actually don't know what you are talking about mate. Sorry but I really don't. You seem to just be motivated by anger and a desire to hurl abuse at people. But I don't know why? If you are so comfortable financially? What is your problem? That some people are protesting against tax evasion? Why does this annoy you? What is wrong with you? I'm telling you. Put the tabloids down and pick up a decent book. Might help you get some perspective.
@regvarney Reg mate, firstly my name is Sofia. As in La Sofia (have you got your glasses on?) Secondly, it was a union demonstration. Most people there were workers, like you were before you retired. Thirdly, I think we should all calm down and take our blood pressure medication. Yea? You've got yourself really quite worked up. And at your age you need to be more careful about your heart.
@regvarney My name is Sofia, Reg. As in LaSofia. Its all in my user name. Also, it was a workers demo mate, called by the TUC. More firemen, bin men and bus drivers than students. But you wouldn't know that coz you wasn't there. You was at home reading the Daily Mail. lol (that means laugh out loud in young peoples internet language)
@LaSofia Blaming the Daily Mail for the attitude of people who support cuts (savings) is a bit feeble. Do you really have such a low opinion of the majority of the people of this country, that they should be so ill-informed
and easily led as to form their opinions merely on the basis of a newspaper? The fact is that we are in the red and most people - reluctantly - recognise that cuts need to be made. Taxing the rich more heavily won't be enough to do it, especially as a long term strategy.
@MrJackonion All the latest opinion polls show that the vast majority of people in this country are against the cuts, think they are unfair, too harsh and not necessary. Type arguments into the false economy website and look at the article on opinions polls. R.e. taxing the rich, type "one Good cut" into youtube and watch the video :)
@LaSofia I had a look at the video and found it to be a very simplistic analysis to be honest. No figures were mentioned just very standard anti-banker sentiments. Some of the banks are obviously partly to blame for the downturn but a lot of the public are to blame too for over-borrowing, defaulting on credit card debts and applying for mortages they couldn't repay. The banks are not seperate from the state like a private business, they are crucial mechanisms for the distribution of money.
We can't cripple them with tax because we will suffer as a result. I think they must be more tightly regulated.
For the past 12 years we have been living on credit and few complained about it then (though i had a feeling it would happen) now we all have to tighten our belts and learn to like it. Previous generations endured much worse material hardship yet they managed to keep their spirits up, we can do the same. I have never seen much good come from rioting, it only polarises the debate.
@MrJackonion why did the system encourage people to over borrow if it was gonna lead to the collapse of the system? Are you actually thinking about what you are saying at all? Or are you literally just saying what they want you to say? This is a GLOBAL FINANCIAL RECESSION. Do you know what that mean? THE SYSTEM HAS COLLAPSED because it is inherently flawed and unsustainable. Blaming people's credit cards habits is a simplistic analysis. This consumer capitalism needs us to keep consuming
@MrJackonion And because wages are going down and the cost of living is going up, THEY started offering US credit to prop up THEIR broken system of mass production and mass consumption. But most of us, unlike you, are waking up. Are seeing this broken system for what it is, an unsustainable unequal, ultimately flawed model, and are taking ACTION against it!
@LaSofia Are you saying tax the banks or get rid of banks? or change "the system"? and if so replace it with what? An entirely state run economy? Thankfully most people are NOT taking action of the kind exhibited by UKuncut last saturday, if they did it would be chaos. I haven't heard a coherent alternative to democratic capitalism voiced by any of the protesters so far, so why should I lend them my support?
@MrJackonion You're not looking very hard, clearly. It's not as if the only alternative to cuts is to launch right into the 'transition to socialism'. Your problem is that you find the idea of 'taxing the rich' jarring, but no matter. Come the revolution we can share a nice big cake ;)
@Schniddo See what I mean? the confusion of your aims was obvious from your last post. You say the alternative is not to launch into the transition to socialism, and then you speak approvingly of a revolution and a general strike!
What kind of revolution should it be if not a socialist one? In a completely equal society there would be no rich to tax anyway.
The romantic appeal of revolutions is far greater to the young who haven't yet acquired a stake in society.
@LaSofia The fact I was made redundant after 22 years in the NHS before you even made your comment kind of proves that you haven't got a clue what my opinions are, so quit your mis-guided assumptions.
there was not a huge amount of human violence! it was brilliant what the 'black bloc' did was there way of showing up the big buisness's that need to pay up!
we cannot divide on this, everyone needs to stick together!
also on 26th march bbc live broadcast the roving reporter who sounded like she was about 16 with no previous experience was asked why were uncut at f&m building..she seemed to not to know.despite press breifings / pr she speculated that they were there to annoy genteel shoppers...i think it was todo with a big food company who avoids tax...sloppy reporting? or? ..i expect better from beeb..
@piers etc..watching the live BBC News oin 26th was sickening..the news presenter claimed uncut was behind the violence (untrue) then asked reporter how much damage was done in the f&m store (none) the reporter said uncut refused to leave the building then said the police wasnt letting anyone enter or leave the building !!!
'More Arrests than there has been for at least 5 years' - because you lied to a peaceful sit-in and arrested them all, 138 men, women and children to boost your arrest stats for the day. Though that wsa surrounded by press so you couldn't just beat the shit out of them - for that you waited until after nightfall, sent a few snatch squads into Trafalgar Square to stir up a nice party / people peacefully standing around fires, then release some of that pent up fury with your shields and batons.
@Melupom well said, thanks yeah funny that bulk of arrest just happen to be uncut team,,you know that lot who wear masks and smash building because BBC said they do, without taking the trouble to find out. or maybe we did know but lied...question then...why uncut singled out? because they had some successes and this was revenge from..the corps? police protecting business, surely not.
prior to the 26th march event a polce chief stated that police methods would become more extreme if uncut didnt co operate with police (video showing police officer CS gas spraying someone in the face) well on 26th at f&m .they did co operate...and got nicked as result..
@northbanksy "Black Bloc is a tactic of protest and not an organisation - BBC, wrong as usual"
So a bunch of people, all wearing the same kit, doing the same thing in the same place at the same time are a "tactic of protest" not a group? By the way you don't have to answer that question, it's not a fair question, in fact you can just reject the premise of that question.
I saw Arsenal play the other day. It occurred to me that they are not actually a football team. They are a tactic.
Difficult interview for the Newsnight presenter: interviewing someone who didn't accept the basis of most of the questions that were asked her. Great hair though.
I think we should organize a spam campaign against the newsnight interviewer for a week, shes obviously acting as the voice of the establishment with her twisting of words and reality Lucy Annson was a real trooper under this attack, well done
@womblefree As you know full well, any "twisting of words" in this interview was the work of Lucy Annson. If you play any peurile tricks on the interviewer I WILL come looking for you, and I WILL find you and I will rub your stupid little face in a big tin of actual Spam. Then I will make you eat it and apologise for being a silly posturing pseudo-anarchist nobhead.
Pot said to kettle "You're a silly posturing nobhead!"
Look how many times you've posted here!
I find the violence-nonviolence debate to be leading and trivial.
You can't really say anything intelligent about ALL violence, it's too broad.
It needs to be put it in context. But it's self evident that the economic philosophy of the times is going to create more unrest and dissent as time goes on, generating a lot more violence by the state as well as it's victims.
@TyrannisSicSemper " Pot said to kettle "You're a silly posturing nobhead Look how many times you've posted here!"
I think you are mixing up the word "posturing" with the word "verbose". You have a point about the amount of posts mind. But is it the economic philosophy thats causing the unrest, or the efforts of proffesional agitators whipping up dissent? This generation seem to have a built in sense of entitlement; the slightest hardship provoking wails of outrage and indignation.
We need an economy that makes things, and a population with energy, faith and resilience, NOT state funded conceptual artists and post-modern vandals.
@TyrannisSicSemper I said "state funded", in other words in receipt of benefits. No harm in that. I was on benefits while I learnt my craft, but I didn't turn and bite the hand that fed me. There was a time when art made beautiful things that spoke eloquently of the mysteries of the human soul, nowadays you could shit out a turd on the street and call it art as long as you invented a sociological theory to give it the impression of having meaning.
Nah, most art has always been crap. Great art is always a small percentage of what's produced.
How do you measure these things anyway? If you want to "speak eloquently of the mysteries of the human soul" I can't think of many things older or more highly ritualized than the political riot.
Always good for a laugh to talk about the "entitlement" of the lower classes, fighting to keep social programs in an era of mind boggling tax-dollar theft by the top tier with their golden parachutes and corporate welfare.
Sounds like blaming the victim for complaining about a raw deal. Anyway, a sense of "entitlement" is pretty subjective and "professional agitators" wouldn't be effective unless the message suits the times.
Can you use the word "verbose" without posturing?!
@TyrannisSicSemper What's corporate welfare? I must say I think you ought to defer to my understanding of the current mentality of English youth, I actually live here. Nice of you to show an interest though. What's up? not much going on in Canada at the moment?
Guess I'm just trying to connect the dots. Haven't you noticed there's been a lot of radical street politics oriented around austerity economics in the last few years? Something of a global trend since 2008.
@TyrannisSicSemper Not at all.Everyone I saw interviewed at the march or the days afterward were all middle class dickheads still whinging about "cuts".Eveyone knows it isn"t cuts it"s savings.
@regvarney saw interviewed? LOL exactly! you werent ther! as some one who was, i can assure you this was NOT a middle class demo. it was a unions/workers demo. Get of youtube and go back to your Daily Mail mate (y)
@regvarney Not cuts its savings? Wow. Really? You believe that spin? Vote Tory do ya? Tell that "savings" BS to the schools and hospitals that are facing closure.
@StudentandActivist Education and NHS funding is ring fenced dickhead.Savings can be made by kicking out all the town hall morons.What is a student activist exactly?Sounds like a middle class dickhead wasting time because they are too scared to do a days work.
@regvarney Erm no actually, they are restructuring the NHS. Basically trying to privatize it. And schools are being threatened with funding cuts unless they turn into academies. Do you actually think for yourself about the cuts? Or do you just believe literally everything the government tells you to think?
@StudentandActivist So you just want to spend money until we are bust?Why don"t you move instead to say,Greece,Ireland,Portugal etc?When you grow up and work for a living in the private(ie real world) sector you"ll discover money doesn"t grow on trees.
@portsanity Anyone earning money should pay the correct tax.If their accountants can find any loopholes it"s up to the goverment to close them.Keep Trident.You don"t take a knife to a gunfight.I suppose all you wooly liberals wouldn"t even take that.
@regvarney Its up to the government to close the loopholes,we have said please but they don't seem to be listening,maybe its because they profit from this themselves?
Your reason for keeping trident "You don"t take a knife to a gunfight" I wasnt aware we were in a gunfight,please tell me, when you go out do you feel it necessary to carry a knife or a gun?
@portsanity Oh dear.New week same old wooly liberal nonsense.You don"t take a knife to a gunfight is a metaphor.Duh.Hope you"re pleased lots of army and navy personnel will lose their jobs.I suppose you love the campaign for nuclear surrender,I mean disarmament.Full of useful idiots and probably still funded by the Russians.
@regvarney Trident costs 130bn to replace and we dont need it,unless you are suggesting we need to fend off France,USA,Russia in fact there is a theory that we are safer without it.
The argument is similar to the gun laws ,if most people have guns then most criminals will carry guns .
CND funded by Russians? LOL did you hear about the time in cnd when there were more undercover police and reporters than members.
@portsanity You"ve got a small penis?I"m very sorry to hear that.Perhaps you should have some counselling!If you meant to write six hundred and fifty thousand then perhaps you should of written six hundred and fifty thousand and not six million five hundred thousand.Looks like education standards have fallen very low indeed.Dickhead.
bloody BBC its full of shit how about a balenced line of questioning for once ya fat twat and btw anarchist isnt a dirty word
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Our purpose is to keep resistance solidly anti-capitalist, uncompromising, total, and global. Let the capitalists have no quiet city. Let the forces of reform no longer use as silent foot soldiers. Let capitalism feel another blow. -Black Bloc Papers
UP THE BLOC! ANTIFA
bjarczyk 1 month ago
Anarchism doesn't imply chaos. You can look around on the internet to find very intricate explanations of exactly how different strains of anarchism would work in terms of economics and social workings. Please enlighten yourself.
opti296 1 month ago
British armed forces do untold horrors abroad?
What happens when british plod start cracking nurses skulls, if the nurses and doctors stand up and defend our NHS.
stop1984now 4 months ago
BLACK BLOC ARE POLICE PROVOCATEURS PUT IN PLACE TO PROVOKE AGGRESSION AND GIVE POLICE AN EXCUSE TO MAKE ARRESTS WITH THE LONG TERM GOAL OF MORE SECURITY TO THE POINT OF NO FREEDOM WHATSOEVER! WAKE UP.
m4rkmcra3 4 months ago
@m4rkmcra3 I agree.
They are cops who are meant to create chaos within certain movements so whatever the protesters are protesting doesnt get GOOD attention or press
Demov12 3 months ago
@m4rkmcra3 umm
not so sure about that, seeing as I was there. Black bloc is a tactic designed to spur on the revolution, so we can have a system without the police or government.
opti296 1 month ago
@opti296 I think the governments need to improve, but if we have total chaos and anarchy then its survival of the fittest. What I'm saying is that after I hunt for my food or find a female to reproduce with that I will kill you if you get near me. Thats what you want? Back to the stone ages? You want to live like the people in Africa where the strongest gangs rob and pillage and rape you daughter or wife? Come on man, we need to civility and structure. People would kill each other for water.
lmilostr 1 month ago
@m4rkmcra3 at what point does it become okay for you to fight back? when you are being loaded onto the trains? you might not want to fight then either, you might provoke them!
bjarczyk 1 month ago
@m4rkmcra3 that's moronic to say the least. While it comes as no surprise that the police have indeed infiltrated black bloc demonstrations, the idea that the black bloc is a police organisation is ridiculous, this is an accusation that is not new and most of these accusations seem to come from the peaceful protest groups. just because some players choose not to obey the rules of pacifism don't be too critical on these individuals. They may not come to help you when you need it most.
MoonstompingMike1985 2 weeks ago
Respect for the Black Bloc
rundle19938 5 months ago
thats different! the red demonic eye desk, normally they have lizard eye eliptical eye symbolic desks..!
SovereignBeing 5 months ago
Oh no guys our big whinge was hijacked by scarwy anarchists!
ProtoCyberpunk 7 months ago
Is Lucy Anson capable of answering a question?
Do you have an opinion of this action? "that's an unfair question. I reject the premise of your question"
What premise? Why unfair? People want to know where you personally stand on an issue. If you don't say, they will presumably make their own minds up
SuperBartles 7 months ago
One of the problems the UK faces is that we've been a well-off, relatively law-abiding society for so long that people have forgotten how bad it is when this breaks down. So ignorant people blame the police for trying to stop the thuggery we saw that day, and they forget the thugs.
The UKUncut person's evasion of the first question was revolting. There are clearly people in the UK who want to destroy it, but for what? So we can try and rebuild civilization again from complete ruin?
mcgigglish 7 months ago
typical mass media hatchet job
no one is discussing boots the chemist's 2 billion tax dodge
i recall fortnum and mason's nefarious activities but forget the details
stephen22564 9 months ago
Hooligans how about angry people who are sick of being pushed around by there goverment! There is a multi millon dollar royal wedding on the way and they are liveing it up well the people are faced with austerity measures,Cuts,Reform,Tution hikes i find it all crazy
blackmesa176 10 months ago
the problem is that the uncut team were singled out due to pressure from 'above'..the female officer at F&M kept them in the building desite them wanting to leave..thus contributing to the 'crime' no damage was done by the uncut team and no harassing the shoppers ever happened..presumably nicking anyone for anything is ok in some peoples world..some people think that protesting itself is a crime..we'll getback to you on that when you lose your job andhouse knocked down
radicalsystems 10 months ago
Is that a pink troll interviewing the uncut spokesman?
benitocorleone 10 months ago
Wow Lucy Annson with the kung fu skills as that interviewer gets visibly frustrated, unable to lead the interview down the same old tired lines.
A born media liaison if I ever saw one. She keeps that pleasant smile on her face the whole time too! HAHAHA Lucy I salute you!
People like you are the only hope of a future for moderate politics.
TyrannisSicSemper 10 months ago
It's not brainwashing or "false consciousness" that explains this attitude, it's maturity of mind. If all the strategists at Labour HQ are having trouble drawing up a detailed spending plan there is little chance that Ukuncut or black bloc will be able to produce one. Face it, for most of the rioters it's a bit of a laugh, for the more earnest it's a fashionable dalliance with radialism before they go on to get careers. There is no chance of a revolution in this country, thankfully.
MrJackonion 10 months ago
The majority of people are happy with some degree of economic inequality in society that's why Blac Block and the anarchists/marxists will always be in a tiny minority. It's usually young people in their early 20's who have read a couple of radical texts and decided they want to belong to a gang for a bit. The majority want stability and are worldy enough to know that the system we have is more or less the best we can manage, and only needs tweaking now and again.
MrJackonion 10 months ago
Peaceful protest gets you nowhere, alas!
NiallMS 10 months ago
There's a grotesque fixation on blaming a side in this over who was violent.
Indeed, both the police *and* us anarchists were violent, but the matter of interest is who has the moral high ground. We are the proletarian slaves lashing out against our masters; a justification in my eyes.
"Those who lay a hand on me to govern me are tyrants, and I declare them my enemy"
Anima14 10 months ago
@Anima14 Cripes, I thought irony had wiped out this kind of thing. I'm quite impressed.
Are you actually a proletatian slave though? I have a feeling you are probably a well fed, middle-class sociology student in need of a bit of female company. Why don't you get in touch with sophia on page 2? you could compare notes on redundant anarchist philosophers. She's quite cute y'know. T'would be a romance forged in the red-hot fires of political radicalism...
MrJackonion 10 months ago
@MrJackonion
Actually, chicks dig black bloc riots! I fell in love in the middle of one last year. Nothing quite like seeing big blue eyes behind a ski-mask for the first time as the riot cops charge. I'm a sucker for women who lob projectiles at the police, what can I say? Great way to meet other passionate radicals. We don't really DO dating websites so ...
TyrannisSicSemper 10 months ago
@MrJackonion I'm a proletarian, working class motherfucker. You silly sausage, you.
Anima14 10 months ago
@Anima14 "I'm a proletarian, working class motherfucker..."
You sound doubly cursed. Does this explain your reluctance to get in touch with the pert young LaSophia?
Shame. I often feel sad for your generation, fed on an intellectual diet of abstract rights. Half of you on medication for depression, the other half growing up sexually confused because of the gradual undermining of the idea of manhood in our culture. Karl Marx + Emminem = not much to work with.
Read some other books ;)
MrJackonion 10 months ago
@MrJackonion I have never read Marx, I don't listen to Eminem, I don't know who this Sophie is, I rather often have periods of moral nihilism and as such understand that rights are fictitious and are not granted to us in the cosmic sense but, y'know, it does well to strive for rights in order for sentient beings like ourselves to live our existence in something resembling peace. I feel disappointed in myself for retorting and telling you things about myself, but I had to because you seem E-smug.
Anima14 10 months ago
@Anima14 Guilty as charged! yes I am capable of smugness. However, I am genuinely sorry to learn you often have periods of moral nihilism. Being an old fogey I have had time to discover that lasting peace of mind comes from within and not so much from the pursuit of external political causes. Funny you should mention it but I think the "cosmic sense" is worth looking into. Ever tried meditation? did wonders for me. All the best.
MrJackonion 10 months ago
@MrJackonion "Does this explain your reluctance to get in touch with the pert young LaSophia?" Do you mean me?
LaSofia 10 months ago
@Anima14 How are you feeling about the riots son? Is it still fun and games?
MrJackonion 6 months ago
Black bloc aren't necessarily anarchists! The reporters keep ignoring that fact. Black bloc is a tactic GET IT RIGHT!
Also UKUNCUT are peaceful, just because they don't condemn violence doesn't make them violent!
MaxKrane 10 months ago
@MaxKrane I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave earlier:
So a bunch of people, all wearing the same kit, doing the same thing in the same place at the same time are a "tactic of protest" not a group? By the way you don't have to answer that question, it's not a fair question, in fact you can just reject the premise of that question.
I saw Arsenal play the other day. It occurred to me that they are not actually a football team. They are a tactic.
MrJackonion 10 months ago
@MrJackonion Correct. Firstly black bloc were NOT all the in the same place at the same time, secondly they were not all doing the same thing (some were peacefully protesting) finally (and most significantly) they do not all hold one shared aim or ideology.
Your Arsenal analogy is flawed as they (Arsenal) all have the same goal (excuse the pun) and work as one which is NOT true of black bloc.
MaxKrane 10 months ago
@MaxKrane Pun excused. My response was to the claim that black bloc (k?) is a tactic of protest. You seem to be in agreement with me, in so far as you also think they are people. And they all wear black (blac?). At least the ones wearing black were. Are there other members of blac bloc who don't wear black? if that is the case a change of name would seem to be in order. Unless of course the first guy was right about them (it?) being a tactic. It's all very mysterious...
MrJackonion 10 months ago
@MrJackonion Sorry for not making myself clear Black (which has a k) Bloc (see Resist26 or Wikipedia websites) IS a tactic. Those who employ the tactic do not share the things I described below, I do not mean that some black bloc don't wear black I mean some that do employ the black bloc tactic do not share anarchists views.
MaxKrane 10 months ago
It's no "own goal" - it's the press that's working against us. As if some kids breaking windows does anything to devalue our cause or weaken our collective power... how laughable. I'll be laughing when we all come out together on strike!
Schniddo 10 months ago
Rational voice versus hysterical poorly briefed, barely coherent outbursts - Emily Maitlis must learn to control herself
brianjamesmulligan 10 months ago
Lucy Annson is a disgrace.
nickthelight 10 months ago
If I approved of using violence to achieve my goals, I’d be pro-government. Stop giving the rest of us anarchists a bad name with this bullshit.
StatismIsACrutch 10 months ago
@StatismIsACrutch You posted the same comment on 2 other videos. Lame.
Some anarchist have decided to resurrect the propaganda of the dead, this time with out the bombs, just vandalizing big commerce. Deal with it.
figocooldude 10 months ago
@figocooldude Actually, I posted that comment on more than 2 other videos. Deal with it.
StatismIsACrutch 10 months ago
@StatismIsACrutch
What the hell kind of anarchist shares all the same goals with the state?
Hit the books harder.
TyrannisSicSemper 10 months ago
@TyrannisSicSemper What are you smoking? Where did you get the idea that I share the same goals with the state? Work on your reading comprehension.
StatismIsACrutch 10 months ago
@StatismIsACrutch
You said the only difference between you and the state is the use of violence to achieve your goals.
It was an incredibly stupid statement, so I thought I'd break out the reductio ad absurdum.
Now If you want to have a serious discussion, might want to get past the whole violence-nonviolence dichotomy. It's for kids and moderate yuppies.
TyrannisSicSemper 10 months ago
@TyrannisSicSemper "You said the only difference between you and the state is the use of violence to achieve your goals."
No, I didn't. Learn to read carefully or use quotations if you can't avoid making straw man arguments. If you have a point to make then make it but stop acting like you're trying to school me. It makes you look like an arrogant prick.
StatismIsACrutch 10 months ago
@StatismIsACrutch
I AM an arrogant prick.
Much like yourself with your prescription for how all the other anarchists should behave.
Would you like to go to school? Haven't even started yet! :)
TyrannisSicSemper 10 months ago
@TyrannisSicSemper I have an opinion on how everyone should behave. I don't think anyone should rape, murder, steal, etc. Yet, I guess that's pretty arrogant too, huh?
StatismIsACrutch 10 months ago
@StatismIsACrutch
Well, I agree about murder and rape, but it's still very authoritarian for an anarchist.
Which brings me to my original point, the hell kind of anarchist are you?
Perhaps you should hit the books before you do any more worrying about the "bad name" of the rest of us?
Does take some effort to have anything useful to say, after all.
TyrannisSicSemper 10 months ago
@TyrannisSicSemper You clearly don't know what "authoritarian" means. It doesn't mean "disapproving of other people's behavior". If I were walking around curb-stomping everyone that disagrees with me then you'd have some semblance of a point. I have a feeling that I'm making you look so stupid that any minute now you're going to claim you were just trolling.
StatismIsACrutch 10 months ago
@StatismIsACrutch
Nope. No such luck. I'm legit. I don't really troll.
Just because you don't have the resources to enforce your views doesn't stop them from being authoritarian.
You're trying to tell the anarchist community how to behave ... lets take a moment to appreciate the absurdity of that together ... K? Still with me? So best of luck with your future youtube debates, but nobody really reads this shit so you can't "make people look stupid" in any meaningful way. We done?
TyrannisSicSemper 10 months ago
@TyrannisSicSemper "Just because you don't have the resources to enforce your views doesn't stop them from being authoritarian."
Like I said, I don't support aggression. I wouldn't enforce them if I could therefore I'm not an authoritarian. QED.
However, if one of these morons were to damage *my* property, I would defend it, with deadly force if necessary but I would do the same to a carjacker or anyone else that doesn't respect property rights.
StatismIsACrutch 10 months ago
@StatismIsACrutch
I don't dispute people defending their own personal property.
The majority of attacks by the black bloc target corporate property which is different.
You riled me with "stop doing this stuff and making us look bad" which is totally arbitrary. If you'd only said "this makes us look bad." That's your view and I'd disagree but I wouldn't accuse you of authoritarianism (albeit the latent kind).
I've heard enough armchair anarchists prescribe tactics for everyone. Sickens me.
TyrannisSicSemper 10 months ago
@TyrannisSicSemper Give it up. Having a preference for other people's behavior and admonishing them to behave differently isn't authoritarian. It's opinionated, guilty as charged, but I'm no tyrant. Pull the stick out of your ass, jam it down your throat and STFU. Oh no, there I go again, being all authoritarian... Wait aren't you being authoritarian by telling me not to be authoritarian? HEAD ASPLODE.
StatismIsACrutch 10 months ago
@StatismIsACrutch
Yeah, this is ridiculous, you're right.
But fact is, you represent a very noisy contingent of the armchair anarchists that don't get called out often enough because most of the active ones have better things to do. So it falls to gluttons for bullshit like me. Nobody is "making you look bad" except yourself. Spare us your sanctimonious authoritarian bullshit.
Get in the streets more often and maybe you'll have something useful to say.
TyrannisSicSemper 10 months ago
@TyrannisSicSemper You didn't respond to any of my points which is a sign that you can't answer them. Like I said, I'm opinionated, so are you. That doesn't make me an authoritarian. You lose. You get nothing. Good day, sir. Destroying the property of others is a dick move. Corporate property is still private property. The fact that it is owned by several people rather than a single individual is irrelevant.
StatismIsACrutch 10 months ago
@StatismIsACrutch
Dude ... you're a complete wall and I acknowledge that. Your views are authoritarian whether you like it or not. It's not my fault that simple logic is no match for your ego. That's your problem. What irks me is halfwits who haven't done their homework trying to call themselves anarchists and dictates terms and tactics to the rest of us.
ALL THE WHILE PRETENDING LIKE THEY'RE NOT JUST BARKING ORDERS LIKE THE PIGS.
Fuck you and your halfwit opinions on tactics.
TyrannisSicSemper 10 months ago
@TyrannisSicSemper There's a difference between telling people what to do and telling them what to do under threat of violence. I'm sorry that you either can't tell the difference or won't acknowledge the difference because you're unable to admit when you're wrong.
StatismIsACrutch 10 months ago
@StatismIsACrutch
I'm aware of that difference but it isn't the distinction you think it is. Someone can walk around their whole life secretly wishing they could order people around, never having the strength to do so and their views would still be authoritarian.
It's no wonder semantics is so frustrating for most people, takes a guy like me with the patience to call you out for trying to rewrite the god damn dictionary to suit your half-baked theories.
Your theory is seriously lacking.
TyrannisSicSemper 10 months ago
@TyrannisSicSemper I've already covered this. Even if I did have the strength, I wouldn't exercise it. You're arguing in circles.
StatismIsACrutch 10 months ago
@StatismIsACrutch
This is going in circles because of a logical fallacy and your unwillingness to see it.
You're confusing theory with practice.
You hold a view which you claim you would never enforce, but that doesn't change the nature of the view itself. It's a condescending and paternalistic attitude where you presume to know whats best for everyone and lecture them. Its at best, insulting, at worst, authoritarian. (think passive-aggressive)
I can't make it any clearer than that.
TyrannisSicSemper 10 months ago
@TyrannisSicSemper I never said I knew what was best for anyone. I'm just expressing my opinion, like you are currently expressing yours. It's funny how your arguments don't apply to yourself. As for the nature of the argument, I've already pointed out the difference between telling people what to do and telling them what to do under threat of violence. I'm not threatening violence and I would never use violence to enforce my opinion. Be a man and just admit you're wrong.
StatismIsACrutch 10 months ago
@StatismIsACrutch
Dude, this is a semantic argument and clearly your ego is at stake here. I couldn't care less except that I've seen dozens like yourself who wont own what they're doing when they try and admonish the militants.
The gandhi-worshipping pacifists do it all the time too.
Tell everybody how to behave in the streets and then spin it like they're not just barking orders.
But they are.
Sure, the cops are much worse because they enforce their edicts. No argument there.
TyrannisSicSemper 10 months ago
UKuncut is the most laughable group of angsty middle class children I have ever clapped eyes on - their comparison of their cause to a war is hilarious - not one of them understands real war, real imprisonment or real hardship. I happen to think the cuts are going too deep and I sympathise with key and low paid workers who are due to lose their jobs - but the gimps of UKuncut are about as far removed from that as its possible to be - floppy haired Tarquins and Henriettas with no grip on reality
1967SJH 11 months ago
@1967SJH Nice one mate.Too many middle class students think they know it all.
regvarney 11 months ago
ONE MILLION PEOPLE MARCHED AGAINST THE WAR AND DID IT DO US ANY GOOD?
THE LAST PASSIVE PROTEST I WAS WAS ON I HAD MY HEAD STAMPED ON 3 TIMES,SO THE POLICE CAN FUCK OFF,THEY WERE TREATED BETTER THAN WE ARE TREATED ,THEY ARE LUCKY.
portsanity 11 months ago
@portsanity Fair point! We, protesters, do treat the police a hell of alot better than they treat us!
LaSofia 11 months ago
That pig that was interviewed was the biggest liar ever
portsanity 11 months ago
@portsanity So true! I thought that as well! Such a liar!!!
NottStuOcc 11 months ago
@dookie4finger "Outclasses" as in "totally evades the simplest pertinent questions, and comes across as a self-righteous prig"?
Nickcooper625 11 months ago
@Nickcooper625 hahaha no, he means outclass as in we are winning the arguments. We, the anti-cuts movement, have the facts, the truth and public opinion on our side. What is it you hate about UK Uncut mate? or is it just coz the daily mail told you to hate us?
LaSofia 11 months ago
@LaSofia You are not the anti cuts movement,Sebastian,you are the lets make the massive debt even bigger movement so fuck off.
regvarney 11 months ago
@regvarney What do you know about my policies on our debt? I think i understand more than you and your Daily Mail -in formed views. We could tax the rich, tax bankers bonuses for a start. But i suppose your answer is to build a big wall around the UK to keep everyone out and then to bomb the middle east? lol
LaSofia 11 months ago
@regvarney Reg - is this really how you wanna spend your retirement? Why don't you go out and play some golf or something?
NottStuOcc 11 months ago
@NottStuOcc I"d rather use a golf club on middle class twats like you.
regvarney 11 months ago
@regvarney Reg! Thats big talk for a retired man like yourself. Think of your heart condition! And what about that hip! I'd have a rest and a nice cuppa if i was you mate. :)
NottStuOcc 11 months ago
@NottStuOcc You"re a student.That"s all you do all day anyway.
regvarney 11 months ago
@regvarney Reg, can I call you Reginold? Students actually go to lecturers. We learn things. We read books too. Maybe if you'd spent a little bit more time doing that and little bit less time looking at tabloids you wouldn't be so angry. Are you really happy Reginold? Really? Coz you seem really angry to me. I just don't think what you are doing is working for you? Maybe you should get involved in UK Uncut? Maybe if you got involved in the fight back against the cuts you wouldnt feel so angry.
NottStuOcc 11 months ago
@NottStuOcc Nothing wrong with tabloids.Just because I don"t read the Guardian(who does apart from the likes of you) doesn"t make me thick .Just because you are at some 3rd rate poly it doesn"t make you clever.
regvarney 11 months ago
@regvarney Poor old Reginald! Worked so hard all his life. And now his pension is under attack! But does he blame the government who is attacking it? No! The tabloids told him to blame the students. The students and the inmigrants! So he will ignore all the facts, the many many facts, and he will write angry comments on the internet. :(
LaSofia 11 months ago
@LaSofia I"m doing fine financially ,love,thanks very much.Immigrants are good workers better than the local layabouts.As for writing angry comments online,you"re the one with the pathetic Millie Tant wordpress blog!
regvarney 11 months ago
@regvarney "I'm doing fine financially" WHAT?! YOU MEAN YOUR MIDDLE CLASS?!?!? hahahahahaaa Thanks for checking out our blog :)
LaSofia 10 months ago
@LaSofia I"m a self made man.Hard work not poncing about in"adult" education .I expect little from the state unlike all you whinging students doing your meaningless degrees.As an employer I"d laugh at most graduate" "qualifications.
regvarney 10 months ago
@LaSofia Loved the blog by the way.Best laugh I"ve had for ages,especially the letter to male activists.Those wooly liberals must wonder why they bother.
regvarney 10 months ago
@regvarney Reg! Your back! Yay! I was really disappointed when I signed in and you hadn't responded to my comment pointing out that if you were "doing fine financially", in THIS economy/recession, you are essentially middle class!So I'm glad you've spent this time visiting the blog.As you will have seen in the comments, we have been inundated with support for our letter and have received overwhelmingly positive feedback. Of course there's always a few women-haters like yourself to keep us going!
LaSofia 10 months ago
@LaSofia Had a day or two in Wales.Would of gone further afield but the money it costs to run my Lear jet would frighten you so much you would be ordering well done steaks in no time.Bit unfair for you to call me a woman hater.If I really hated women I"d spend all day watching videos like the one you were criticising.I take it that PHD you"re doing isn"t in economics.
regvarney 10 months ago
@regvarney Wales? What? I actually don't know what you are talking about mate. Sorry but I really don't. You seem to just be motivated by anger and a desire to hurl abuse at people. But I don't know why? If you are so comfortable financially? What is your problem? That some people are protesting against tax evasion? Why does this annoy you? What is wrong with you? I'm telling you. Put the tabloids down and pick up a decent book. Might help you get some perspective.
LaSofia 10 months ago
@regvarney who is Sebastian? :/
LaSofia 11 months ago
@LaSofia Sebastian was the name of at least half of those student twats on that march.
regvarney 11 months ago
@regvarney Reg mate, firstly my name is Sofia. As in La Sofia (have you got your glasses on?) Secondly, it was a union demonstration. Most people there were workers, like you were before you retired. Thirdly, I think we should all calm down and take our blood pressure medication. Yea? You've got yourself really quite worked up. And at your age you need to be more careful about your heart.
LaSofia 11 months ago
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@LaSofia What makes you think I"ve got one ?LMAO.
regvarney 11 months ago
@regvarney My name is Sofia, Reg. As in LaSofia. Its all in my user name. Also, it was a workers demo mate, called by the TUC. More firemen, bin men and bus drivers than students. But you wouldn't know that coz you wasn't there. You was at home reading the Daily Mail. lol (that means laugh out loud in young peoples internet language)
LaSofia 11 months ago
@LaSofia Blaming the Daily Mail for the attitude of people who support cuts (savings) is a bit feeble. Do you really have such a low opinion of the majority of the people of this country, that they should be so ill-informed
and easily led as to form their opinions merely on the basis of a newspaper? The fact is that we are in the red and most people - reluctantly - recognise that cuts need to be made. Taxing the rich more heavily won't be enough to do it, especially as a long term strategy.
MrJackonion 11 months ago
@MrJackonion All the latest opinion polls show that the vast majority of people in this country are against the cuts, think they are unfair, too harsh and not necessary. Type arguments into the false economy website and look at the article on opinions polls. R.e. taxing the rich, type "one Good cut" into youtube and watch the video :)
LaSofia 10 months ago
@LaSofia I had a look at the video and found it to be a very simplistic analysis to be honest. No figures were mentioned just very standard anti-banker sentiments. Some of the banks are obviously partly to blame for the downturn but a lot of the public are to blame too for over-borrowing, defaulting on credit card debts and applying for mortages they couldn't repay. The banks are not seperate from the state like a private business, they are crucial mechanisms for the distribution of money.
MrJackonion 10 months ago
We can't cripple them with tax because we will suffer as a result. I think they must be more tightly regulated.
For the past 12 years we have been living on credit and few complained about it then (though i had a feeling it would happen) now we all have to tighten our belts and learn to like it. Previous generations endured much worse material hardship yet they managed to keep their spirits up, we can do the same. I have never seen much good come from rioting, it only polarises the debate.
MrJackonion 10 months ago
@MrJackonion why did the system encourage people to over borrow if it was gonna lead to the collapse of the system? Are you actually thinking about what you are saying at all? Or are you literally just saying what they want you to say? This is a GLOBAL FINANCIAL RECESSION. Do you know what that mean? THE SYSTEM HAS COLLAPSED because it is inherently flawed and unsustainable. Blaming people's credit cards habits is a simplistic analysis. This consumer capitalism needs us to keep consuming
LaSofia 10 months ago
@MrJackonion And because wages are going down and the cost of living is going up, THEY started offering US credit to prop up THEIR broken system of mass production and mass consumption. But most of us, unlike you, are waking up. Are seeing this broken system for what it is, an unsustainable unequal, ultimately flawed model, and are taking ACTION against it!
LaSofia 10 months ago
@LaSofia Are you saying tax the banks or get rid of banks? or change "the system"? and if so replace it with what? An entirely state run economy? Thankfully most people are NOT taking action of the kind exhibited by UKuncut last saturday, if they did it would be chaos. I haven't heard a coherent alternative to democratic capitalism voiced by any of the protesters so far, so why should I lend them my support?
MrJackonion 10 months ago
@MrJackonion You're not looking very hard, clearly. It's not as if the only alternative to cuts is to launch right into the 'transition to socialism'. Your problem is that you find the idea of 'taxing the rich' jarring, but no matter. Come the revolution we can share a nice big cake ;)
Schniddo 10 months ago
@Schniddo See what I mean? the confusion of your aims was obvious from your last post. You say the alternative is not to launch into the transition to socialism, and then you speak approvingly of a revolution and a general strike!
What kind of revolution should it be if not a socialist one? In a completely equal society there would be no rich to tax anyway.
The romantic appeal of revolutions is far greater to the young who haven't yet acquired a stake in society.
MrJackonion 10 months ago
@MrJackonion I am merely poking fun at you. I am actually all for the transition to socialism. Let the expropriation begin.
Schniddo 10 months ago
@MrJackonion (Taxing the rich a bit more and say, having a land reform is hardly the storming of the Winter Palace though is it?)
Schniddo 10 months ago
@Schniddo What would a land reform involve? And how much tax is a bit more?
MrJackonion 10 months ago
@LaSofia The fact I was made redundant after 22 years in the NHS before you even made your comment kind of proves that you haven't got a clue what my opinions are, so quit your mis-guided assumptions.
Nickcooper625 9 months ago
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Nickcooper625 11 months ago
blimey!!!terrible journalism from the lady in pink.
bimble69 11 months ago
there was not a huge amount of human violence! it was brilliant what the 'black bloc' did was there way of showing up the big buisness's that need to pay up!
we cannot divide on this, everyone needs to stick together!
MegaBlob3000 11 months ago
also on 26th march bbc live broadcast the roving reporter who sounded like she was about 16 with no previous experience was asked why were uncut at f&m building..she seemed to not to know.despite press breifings / pr she speculated that they were there to annoy genteel shoppers...i think it was todo with a big food company who avoids tax...sloppy reporting? or? ..i expect better from beeb..
radicalsystems 11 months ago
@piers etc..watching the live BBC News oin 26th was sickening..the news presenter claimed uncut was behind the violence (untrue) then asked reporter how much damage was done in the f&m store (none) the reporter said uncut refused to leave the building then said the police wasnt letting anyone enter or leave the building !!!
radicalsystems 11 months ago
'More Arrests than there has been for at least 5 years' - because you lied to a peaceful sit-in and arrested them all, 138 men, women and children to boost your arrest stats for the day. Though that wsa surrounded by press so you couldn't just beat the shit out of them - for that you waited until after nightfall, sent a few snatch squads into Trafalgar Square to stir up a nice party / people peacefully standing around fires, then release some of that pent up fury with your shields and batons.
Melupom 11 months ago 2
@Melupom well said, thanks yeah funny that bulk of arrest just happen to be uncut team,,you know that lot who wear masks and smash building because BBC said they do, without taking the trouble to find out. or maybe we did know but lied...question then...why uncut singled out? because they had some successes and this was revenge from..the corps? police protecting business, surely not.
radicalsystems 11 months ago
prior to the 26th march event a polce chief stated that police methods would become more extreme if uncut didnt co operate with police (video showing police officer CS gas spraying someone in the face) well on 26th at f&m .they did co operate...and got nicked as result..
radicalsystems 11 months ago
@radicalsystems All those middle class twats at Fortnum got nicked,so what"s the problem?
regvarney 11 months ago
I like the BBC, but the interviewer here wouldn't have looked out of place on Fox News.
Slossius1983 11 months ago 10
@Slossius1983 Fox news is great and not a tool of the left like the BBC.
regvarney 11 months ago
Black Bloc is a tactic of protest and not an organisation - BBC, wrong as usual
northbanksy 11 months ago
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@northbanksy "Black Bloc is a tactic of protest and not an organisation - BBC, wrong as usual"
So a bunch of people, all wearing the same kit, doing the same thing in the same place at the same time are a "tactic of protest" not a group? By the way you don't have to answer that question, it's not a fair question, in fact you can just reject the premise of that question.
I saw Arsenal play the other day. It occurred to me that they are not actually a football team. They are a tactic.
MrJackonion 11 months ago
Difficult interview for the Newsnight presenter: interviewing someone who didn't accept the basis of most of the questions that were asked her. Great hair though.
AnniesEggs 11 months ago
Cool vid
mayasantwire 11 months ago
i think im in love with this lucy bird
jkenny 11 months ago
long live black bloc
rogerwilsonwilson6 11 months ago
These leftie scum are all unemployable!!! who the fuck wants one of these beardy weirdies at their office????
creativebollocks 11 months ago
@creativebollocks Don't be beardist.
MrJackonion 11 months ago
I think we should organize a spam campaign against the newsnight interviewer for a week, shes obviously acting as the voice of the establishment with her twisting of words and reality Lucy Annson was a real trooper under this attack, well done
womblefree 11 months ago
@womblefree As you know full well, any "twisting of words" in this interview was the work of Lucy Annson. If you play any peurile tricks on the interviewer I WILL come looking for you, and I WILL find you and I will rub your stupid little face in a big tin of actual Spam. Then I will make you eat it and apologise for being a silly posturing pseudo-anarchist nobhead.
MrJackonion 11 months ago
@MrJackonion
Pot said to kettle "You're a silly posturing nobhead!"
Look how many times you've posted here!
I find the violence-nonviolence debate to be leading and trivial.
You can't really say anything intelligent about ALL violence, it's too broad.
It needs to be put it in context. But it's self evident that the economic philosophy of the times is going to create more unrest and dissent as time goes on, generating a lot more violence by the state as well as it's victims.
TyrannisSicSemper 11 months ago
@TyrannisSicSemper " Pot said to kettle "You're a silly posturing nobhead Look how many times you've posted here!"
I think you are mixing up the word "posturing" with the word "verbose". You have a point about the amount of posts mind. But is it the economic philosophy thats causing the unrest, or the efforts of proffesional agitators whipping up dissent? This generation seem to have a built in sense of entitlement; the slightest hardship provoking wails of outrage and indignation.
MrJackonion 11 months ago
We need an economy that makes things, and a population with energy, faith and resilience, NOT state funded conceptual artists and post-modern vandals.
MrJackonion 11 months ago
@MrJackonion And what's your manifesto for achieving that?
AnniesEggs 11 months ago
@AnniesEggs Good question. Leave it with me, I'll have a think.
MrJackonion 11 months ago
@MrJackonion
Conceptual artists have to dig up funding where-ever they can.
By the way, those "post modern vandals" are conceptual artists that work for free.
TyrannisSicSemper 10 months ago
@TyrannisSicSemper I said "state funded", in other words in receipt of benefits. No harm in that. I was on benefits while I learnt my craft, but I didn't turn and bite the hand that fed me. There was a time when art made beautiful things that spoke eloquently of the mysteries of the human soul, nowadays you could shit out a turd on the street and call it art as long as you invented a sociological theory to give it the impression of having meaning.
MrJackonion 10 months ago
@MrJackonion
Nah, most art has always been crap. Great art is always a small percentage of what's produced.
How do you measure these things anyway? If you want to "speak eloquently of the mysteries of the human soul" I can't think of many things older or more highly ritualized than the political riot.
TyrannisSicSemper 10 months ago
@MrJackonion
Always good for a laugh to talk about the "entitlement" of the lower classes, fighting to keep social programs in an era of mind boggling tax-dollar theft by the top tier with their golden parachutes and corporate welfare.
Sounds like blaming the victim for complaining about a raw deal. Anyway, a sense of "entitlement" is pretty subjective and "professional agitators" wouldn't be effective unless the message suits the times.
Can you use the word "verbose" without posturing?!
TyrannisSicSemper 11 months ago
@TyrannisSicSemper
"Can you use the word "verbose" without posturing?!"
Yup.
MrJackonion 11 months ago
@MrJackonion
Only in england.
TyrannisSicSemper 11 months ago
@TyrannisSicSemper What's corporate welfare? I must say I think you ought to defer to my understanding of the current mentality of English youth, I actually live here. Nice of you to show an interest though. What's up? not much going on in Canada at the moment?
MrJackonion 11 months ago
@MrJackonion
Guess I'm just trying to connect the dots. Haven't you noticed there's been a lot of radical street politics oriented around austerity economics in the last few years? Something of a global trend since 2008.
TyrannisSicSemper 11 months ago
@TyrannisSicSemper Didn"t see many members of the "lower classes" at these demos.Looked more like a bunch of white ,middle class cry babies.
regvarney 11 months ago
@regvarney
That's cute. Demo has 500,000+ people that can all be neatly pigeon-holed just like that?
Perhaps you're slightly bias in your interpretation?
TyrannisSicSemper 11 months ago
@TyrannisSicSemper Not at all.Everyone I saw interviewed at the march or the days afterward were all middle class dickheads still whinging about "cuts".Eveyone knows it isn"t cuts it"s savings.
regvarney 11 months ago
@regvarney saw interviewed? LOL exactly! you werent ther! as some one who was, i can assure you this was NOT a middle class demo. it was a unions/workers demo. Get of youtube and go back to your Daily Mail mate (y)
LaSofia 11 months ago
@regvarney Not cuts its savings? Wow. Really? You believe that spin? Vote Tory do ya? Tell that "savings" BS to the schools and hospitals that are facing closure.
StudentandActivist 11 months ago
@StudentandActivist Education and NHS funding is ring fenced dickhead.Savings can be made by kicking out all the town hall morons.What is a student activist exactly?Sounds like a middle class dickhead wasting time because they are too scared to do a days work.
regvarney 11 months ago
@regvarney Erm no actually, they are restructuring the NHS. Basically trying to privatize it. And schools are being threatened with funding cuts unless they turn into academies. Do you actually think for yourself about the cuts? Or do you just believe literally everything the government tells you to think?
StudentandActivist 11 months ago
@StudentandActivist So you just want to spend money until we are bust?Why don"t you move instead to say,Greece,Ireland,Portugal etc?When you grow up and work for a living in the private(ie real world) sector you"ll discover money doesn"t grow on trees.
regvarney 11 months ago
@regvarney
People like you are the same in every damn country.
Your mind was made up long before you watched the news.
Your tune always sounds something like -
"social spending is for lazy commie parasites and everyone needs to shut up and get back to work."
There's plenty of wasted tax dollars to cry about, the least of which would be education subsidies.
For the record, pretty much all the progress your society enjoys today started as activism.
(thats one dickhead to another)
TyrannisSicSemper 10 months ago
@TyrannisSicSemper "Everyone needs to shut up and get back to work".Well said mate.This anti "cuts" "activism" is not progress.
regvarney 10 months ago
@TyrannisSicSemper
Amen brother
benitocorleone 10 months ago
@regvarney so why dont you think that taxing the super rich is an option?
what about getting rid of trident?
portsanity 10 months ago
@portsanity Anyone earning money should pay the correct tax.If their accountants can find any loopholes it"s up to the goverment to close them.Keep Trident.You don"t take a knife to a gunfight.I suppose all you wooly liberals wouldn"t even take that.
regvarney 10 months ago
@regvarney Its up to the government to close the loopholes,we have said please but they don't seem to be listening,maybe its because they profit from this themselves?
Your reason for keeping trident "You don"t take a knife to a gunfight" I wasnt aware we were in a gunfight,please tell me, when you go out do you feel it necessary to carry a knife or a gun?
portsanity 10 months ago
@portsanity Oh dear.New week same old wooly liberal nonsense.You don"t take a knife to a gunfight is a metaphor.Duh.Hope you"re pleased lots of army and navy personnel will lose their jobs.I suppose you love the campaign for nuclear surrender,I mean disarmament.Full of useful idiots and probably still funded by the Russians.
regvarney 10 months ago
@regvarney Trident costs 130bn to replace and we dont need it,unless you are suggesting we need to fend off France,USA,Russia in fact there is a theory that we are safer without it.
The argument is similar to the gun laws ,if most people have guns then most criminals will carry guns .
CND funded by Russians? LOL did you hear about the time in cnd when there were more undercover police and reporters than members.
portsanity 10 months ago
@regvarney Again,Who are we surrendering to or is this another metaphor ?
"Hope you"re pleased lots of army and navy personnel will lose their jobs."
The money that would be saved would employ 6500000 nurses,you got a problem with that?
portsanity 10 months ago
@portsanity Six and a half million nurses?That"s one for every phoney on sickness benefits! Got any more random figures?
regvarney 10 months ago
@regvarney six hundred and fifty thousand.
small penis
portsanity 10 months ago
@portsanity You"ve got a small penis?I"m very sorry to hear that.Perhaps you should have some counselling!If you meant to write six hundred and fifty thousand then perhaps you should of written six hundred and fifty thousand and not six million five hundred thousand.Looks like education standards have fallen very low indeed.Dickhead.
regvarney 10 months ago
@regvarney Blah,Blah,Blah
portsanity 10 months ago
@portsanity Wank,wank,wank.
regvarney 10 months ago