@psycho15 um a couple buddies of mine just got gto's 1 an o4 ls1 m6 and a 06 a4 ls2 and I rape them both and I've gone auto and only run 14.2 at the track so explain that! I've slowed down and still win they are heavy and that is they're downfall
theres no way the camaro would win the first and loose the second it impossible anyway I dont care what anyone says camaro's are way better then the new gto's the 65 might have won every time but the new ones suck!!!!!!!!!!
yeah ima call bullshit on the 10.8 with just a tranny and computer swap. get some pics of your car and a slpi from the track. i think you must have forgotten you had mroe mods than that.
yeah ima call bullshit on the 10.8 with just a tranny and computer swap. get some pics of your car and a slpi from the track. i think you must have forgotten you had mroe mods than that.
dude, if your a GOOD DRIVER, a manual will always win over an automatic. less power loss, double clutch, launch, 60 foot, there are so many advances of owning a manual in a race if you know how to work it. that and it's the whole point of racing. ask any real racer.
wtf r u talking about who the hell double clutches when they race stop watching fasnt and the furious you fucking moron plus autos r faster for drag racing numbnuts
@IspooledurMom Not if you're a good driver with a manual. Manual will get auto off the line if you know what you're doing. And if you shift fast enough you can match the auto racer in shifts plus there's less hp loss through drivetrain in a manual and less maintenence required in a manual.
you are sadly mistaken, a standard trany has less power loss, weights less, and can be shifted faster than the auto trany (stock for stock)
also there is no fukin way a stock ls1 is going to run a 10.8 in a 1/4 mile with just a trany and computer swap. NO FUKIN WAYY! You'd need almost 600hp to get that quick in a stock weight camaro.
yes autos are used for drag, its not really feasible to shift 6 gears in less than 8 seconds now is it?
The stock auto is slower in the Camaro than it is with the stock manual, I have had both. But you CAN get a better auto trans, or even just a shift kit, and tinker with the computer a little and change shift patterns, and the auto is quicker. My auto ran 10.8 after the tranny and computer swap , compared to 12.3 bone stock. Hell that is why I sold my 6 speed ls1.
I agree with the auto guys. I like both manual and automatic cars but for racing with a big V8 the autos are the way to go. Manuals are fun but in a race of equal HP cars the auto is going to smoke the manual 8 out of 10 times. Guaranteed. I've seen it happen constantly.
Explain what? With equal HP a automatic will beat a manual a majority of the time. As long as you don't race an auto in it's dead spot(usually 40-45mph to 55mph) the auto will win. From a stop the auto is going to be faster most of the time. I've seen it hundreds of times. Not a big deal if you aren't racing but if you race with your car alot a automatic is the way to go. Add a stall to a auto and it will kill.
i compleatly disagree, a manual willstart faster, and have a higher top end, i know this from experience, an automatic is a toy compared with a manual,and maybe you just dont know how to drive a manual properly
I guess you are just one of those guys that think they are cool and so talented because they drive a manual. Anyone that wants a manual car can go buy one. There's nothing special about pushing in the clutch, changing gears and letting out on the clutch.
I've owned several manuals and autos and yes I can drive a manual very well. I don't have a favorite and like both but with equal HP cars the autos are faster. Go to the track and see what the faster cars are.
No, I'm talking about stock vs. stock. Of course autos lose more HP through the drivetrain but they shift so much faster. As long as you don't race in the auto's dead spot.
Anyway, buy and drive what you like. Both autos and manuals are fun to me and there's always someone faster. I just like having fun. There are just so many people that underestimate the autos and give in to the manual hype. Both are fast and fun.
Not from my experience. With Ford's, like the Mustangs, the manual may be faster than the auto, I don't know since I've never owned one but with GM's, like the Camaros, Trans Am's and GTO's the auto's are quicker for the most part.
a manual tranny, allows you to decide what rpm you want to shift at, (high rpm means go faster in next gear )in an auto tranny, the shift rpm depends on throttle positon, and if it is in a newer vehicle, the ECU would have a part in controlling this.
so why do aftermarket companies sell shift kits for auto transmissions, and not manuals
Well, when you are racing the throttle is usually wide open so it doesn't matter unless the auto is in its dead spot. Otherwise it will shift down just like you would in a manual.
Shift kits are mainly for quicker and harder shifts over stock and also can beef up the auto tranny for more HP. You can also program a auto to shift differently if you want to get into mods over stock autos.
Throttle pressure is the key to autos. I can make mine shift at what ever RPM I want it to shift at.
yes its all about personal preference when it comes to auto vs manual, but as far as f-bodies being faster with autos? sorry, but i dont buy that at all(im by no means trying to flame you with that comment)
No biggie. People have different takes on different things. I'm going from my experience and what I have seen as I am sure you are doing the same.
When I had my Z28 auto, which was stock, there wasn't a stock 6 speed that I faced that beat me. I was also beaten several times by auto Z28's and TA's with my 6 speed TA. Of course I won a few also with my 6 speed but from what I have seen personally the autos pull slightly harder, especially up to 100-120mph.
SOME..only a fiew fords are cool...the classics? Hell yess...the new stuff...mmmm, only the gt40...and thats not really american..nor is the the gto. But the othehr ford that is good would be the Roush stage three or the shelby supersnake...yet again thers the lingenfelter corvette...and calloway^^
the new mustangs its a ford, tuned by shelby...now the Shelby Cobra the little two seater? way back in the day? Yeah ^^ thats his own...well sortof, the body is derived from a Euro sporster and he shoved a v8 under the hood^^
I saw a WS6 (modded) put a couple of lengths on a LS2 GTO lastnite... both manual. In my older age I'm starting to prefer an auto but you better have alot of power b/c if you are caught barely into 2nd or 3rd the manual will walk away, being in it's powerband. So, at the strip with SERIOUS cars auto is better (no missed shifts, more consistant) on the street manual is better (various speeds and always closer to it's power band). That's my story and I'm sticking to it. lol
DUDE that camaro's pipes are badass!..so wats wit this auto vs manual talk? the goats an auto?.. i personally like to race wit a manual tranny, you have full control of engine torque and power.
well gm even admits in the ls2 gto that either transmission will still do 0-60 in 4.7 thats what they say. id rather have an auto based on the fact its less hassle to drive. i have an auto gto and i could care less. like everything else in the world he who has the most money and time will always win.
your a fucken idiote my buddys lightly modded auto z28 ate manuel ws6s for snacks..quit talking shit u sound like a ricer lets see you try to shift when your car runs single digit qourter miles even 10s a bitch...so go ahead be ignorant..
First of all bitch go back to school and learn how to spell. It's not that hard to shift a fucking car and your buddy's probably a fat fucker who's too fuckin lazy to reach the shifter. so suck my left nut.
The camera must add a few hp lol. The Goat shoulda won both though. Who would buy an auto goat though? Someone brought their little sister to this street race
i agree, manuals are fun to play around with on the street but sucks for racing. Auto all the way for racing, nothing launches like an ls based motor with a stall. hats off for both cars
@rastarajah it is sad but true. An auto GTO is faster than an M6. The M6's suffer from more severe wheel hop in first and second gear. I know because I have an M6. However once an M6 Goat gets into 2nd gear it is a force to be reckoned with.
@psycho15 um a couple buddies of mine just got gto's 1 an o4 ls1 m6 and a 06 a4 ls2 and I rape them both and I've gone auto and only run 14.2 at the track so explain that! I've slowed down and still win they are heavy and that is they're downfall
bullheadmikec421 7 months ago
real dragsters use auto
camaroman87 1 year ago
crazy numbers an mph, my goat does 11.6@118-1.87 60. its a 06 a4 with junk jba ebay headers,home made 3"exhaust,100shot wet.slicks,also tein susp
smfc11secgto 1 year ago
from dead stop yea its a close race but GTO's arnt good from a stop.try a 20.40,and 60 run its a big differance.Nice runs tho.
joshnordstromwestmon 2 years ago
GTO needs to learn how to launch, big time, thats y he lost the 1st one, and bogged the 2nd one
Suprafast44 2 years ago
theres no way the camaro would win the first and loose the second it impossible anyway I dont care what anyone says camaro's are way better then the new gto's the 65 might have won every time but the new ones suck!!!!!!!!!!
bullheadmikec421 3 years ago
@bullheadmikec421 new ones will rape anything u own!!
psykho15 1 year ago
god i love camaros
fast80z28 4 years ago
yeah ima call bullshit on the 10.8 with just a tranny and computer swap. get some pics of your car and a slpi from the track. i think you must have forgotten you had mroe mods than that.
canespride83 4 years ago
yeah ima call bullshit on the 10.8 with just a tranny and computer swap. get some pics of your car and a slpi from the track. i think you must have forgotten you had mroe mods than that.
canespride83 4 years ago
Camaros kick ass
lovegirlsinass 4 years ago
Crazy; you'd think the extra weight of the camera man would make that car slower, but in this case, the opposite was true.
AChrisL 4 years ago
The GTO is actually heavier just so you know
MegaBlueflame 2 years ago
Oh shit...forgot about that.
AChrisL 2 years ago
dude, if your a GOOD DRIVER, a manual will always win over an automatic. less power loss, double clutch, launch, 60 foot, there are so many advances of owning a manual in a race if you know how to work it. that and it's the whole point of racing. ask any real racer.
renzokata 4 years ago
wtf r u talking about who the hell double clutches when they race stop watching fasnt and the furious you fucking moron plus autos r faster for drag racing numbnuts
IspooledurMom 3 years ago 5
@IspooledurMom Not if you're a good driver with a manual. Manual will get auto off the line if you know what you're doing. And if you shift fast enough you can match the auto racer in shifts plus there's less hp loss through drivetrain in a manual and less maintenence required in a manual.
recniabsal 1 year ago
and the ls2 comes back to smoke the camaro nicce
HumanTerminator 4 years ago
you are sadly mistaken, a standard trany has less power loss, weights less, and can be shifted faster than the auto trany (stock for stock)
also there is no fukin way a stock ls1 is going to run a 10.8 in a 1/4 mile with just a trany and computer swap. NO FUKIN WAYY! You'd need almost 600hp to get that quick in a stock weight camaro.
yes autos are used for drag, its not really feasible to shift 6 gears in less than 8 seconds now is it?
decipha 4 years ago
The stock auto is slower in the Camaro than it is with the stock manual, I have had both. But you CAN get a better auto trans, or even just a shift kit, and tinker with the computer a little and change shift patterns, and the auto is quicker. My auto ran 10.8 after the tranny and computer swap , compared to 12.3 bone stock. Hell that is why I sold my 6 speed ls1.
RhettaDaddy 4 years ago
I agree with the auto guys. I like both manual and automatic cars but for racing with a big V8 the autos are the way to go. Manuals are fun but in a race of equal HP cars the auto is going to smoke the manual 8 out of 10 times. Guaranteed. I've seen it happen constantly.
emg32 4 years ago
that is the stupidest thing i have ever heard, please explain that comment to me
greygoose210783 4 years ago
Explain what? With equal HP a automatic will beat a manual a majority of the time. As long as you don't race an auto in it's dead spot(usually 40-45mph to 55mph) the auto will win. From a stop the auto is going to be faster most of the time. I've seen it hundreds of times. Not a big deal if you aren't racing but if you race with your car alot a automatic is the way to go. Add a stall to a auto and it will kill.
emg32 4 years ago
i compleatly disagree, a manual willstart faster, and have a higher top end, i know this from experience, an automatic is a toy compared with a manual,and maybe you just dont know how to drive a manual properly
greygoose210783 4 years ago
I guess you are just one of those guys that think they are cool and so talented because they drive a manual. Anyone that wants a manual car can go buy one. There's nothing special about pushing in the clutch, changing gears and letting out on the clutch.
I've owned several manuals and autos and yes I can drive a manual very well. I don't have a favorite and like both but with equal HP cars the autos are faster. Go to the track and see what the faster cars are.
emg32 4 years ago
yeah but your not mentioning that an auto car would have more work done to it since autos lose more hp through drivetrain
BeaZt28 4 years ago
No, I'm talking about stock vs. stock. Of course autos lose more HP through the drivetrain but they shift so much faster. As long as you don't race in the auto's dead spot.
Anyway, buy and drive what you like. Both autos and manuals are fun to me and there's always someone faster. I just like having fun. There are just so many people that underestimate the autos and give in to the manual hype. Both are fast and fun.
emg32 4 years ago
i drive an auto, for my past 2 vehicles, but the equal engine, rear-end vihicles with manual are always faster
greygoose210783 4 years ago
Not from my experience. With Ford's, like the Mustangs, the manual may be faster than the auto, I don't know since I've never owned one but with GM's, like the Camaros, Trans Am's and GTO's the auto's are quicker for the most part.
emg32 4 years ago
a manual tranny, allows you to decide what rpm you want to shift at, (high rpm means go faster in next gear )in an auto tranny, the shift rpm depends on throttle positon, and if it is in a newer vehicle, the ECU would have a part in controlling this.
so why do aftermarket companies sell shift kits for auto transmissions, and not manuals
greygoose210783 4 years ago
Well, when you are racing the throttle is usually wide open so it doesn't matter unless the auto is in its dead spot. Otherwise it will shift down just like you would in a manual.
Shift kits are mainly for quicker and harder shifts over stock and also can beef up the auto tranny for more HP. You can also program a auto to shift differently if you want to get into mods over stock autos.
Throttle pressure is the key to autos. I can make mine shift at what ever RPM I want it to shift at.
emg32 4 years ago
yes its all about personal preference when it comes to auto vs manual, but as far as f-bodies being faster with autos? sorry, but i dont buy that at all(im by no means trying to flame you with that comment)
BeaZt28 4 years ago
No biggie. People have different takes on different things. I'm going from my experience and what I have seen as I am sure you are doing the same.
When I had my Z28 auto, which was stock, there wasn't a stock 6 speed that I faced that beat me. I was also beaten several times by auto Z28's and TA's with my 6 speed TA. Of course I won a few also with my 6 speed but from what I have seen personally the autos pull slightly harder, especially up to 100-120mph.
emg32 4 years ago
thats cool, what year is it
greygoose210783 4 years ago
i never drive FORDS, in my opinion they suck
greygoose210783 4 years ago
SOME..only a fiew fords are cool...the classics? Hell yess...the new stuff...mmmm, only the gt40...and thats not really american..nor is the the gto. But the othehr ford that is good would be the Roush stage three or the shelby supersnake...yet again thers the lingenfelter corvette...and calloway^^
Tigeron1a 4 years ago
ford didnt build the shelby, "carroll shelby" did
greygoose210783 4 years ago
the new mustangs its a ford, tuned by shelby...now the Shelby Cobra the little two seater? way back in the day? Yeah ^^ thats his own...well sortof, the body is derived from a Euro sporster and he shoved a v8 under the hood^^
Tigeron1a 4 years ago
I saw a WS6 (modded) put a couple of lengths on a LS2 GTO lastnite... both manual. In my older age I'm starting to prefer an auto but you better have alot of power b/c if you are caught barely into 2nd or 3rd the manual will walk away, being in it's powerband. So, at the strip with SERIOUS cars auto is better (no missed shifts, more consistant) on the street manual is better (various speeds and always closer to it's power band). That's my story and I'm sticking to it. lol
ztwntyn8 4 years ago
lol if automatic is bether then standar why thay dont
put auto in the ferrari,zo6,03-04cobra's,exet
the gto need a good tires 275-40-17 kuz 400hp is alot
for 245-45-75 and you can go 0 to 60 in 4.7sc..
oscaromarleon 4 years ago
DUDE that camaro's pipes are badass!..so wats wit this auto vs manual talk? the goats an auto?.. i personally like to race wit a manual tranny, you have full control of engine torque and power.
cla02 4 years ago
very closely matched there... both slightly modded though, but , cool runs... 1st time Camaro by a bit, I think, 2nd time, Goat... nice...
DSaint3018 4 years ago
gm made a bad move makeing the gto.Trans am ws6
mmlitt 4 years ago
well gm even admits in the ls2 gto that either transmission will still do 0-60 in 4.7 thats what they say. id rather have an auto based on the fact its less hassle to drive. i have an auto gto and i could care less. like everything else in the world he who has the most money and time will always win.
Elementtechnical 4 years ago
"manual impress highschool kids" i have a feeling that you are saying that becuase you don't know how to drive manual ~_~
andresc586 4 years ago
If automatics are better for racing then why don't drag racing, nascar or street races use them, autos are for pussys
ARMYBOI1986 4 years ago
lol, many drag racers do use automatics, look it up
calledtoduty2000 4 years ago
your a fucken idiote my buddys lightly modded auto z28 ate manuel ws6s for snacks..quit talking shit u sound like a ricer lets see you try to shift when your car runs single digit qourter miles even 10s a bitch...so go ahead be ignorant..
ls1dominates 4 years ago
First of all bitch go back to school and learn how to spell. It's not that hard to shift a fucking car and your buddy's probably a fat fucker who's too fuckin lazy to reach the shifter. so suck my left nut.
ARMYBOI1986 4 years ago
the only thing an auto is good for is 1/4 mile racing.
YoungManDub 5 years ago
Manuals impress high school kids...Automatics win races.
99Silverado53 5 years ago
I have a 2002 Silverado modded, with a 5 speed. Ain't been beat by an auto, well ain't been beat much period lol!
Scott11078 4 years ago
I want the camera guy in my car! Maybe cheaper than NO2!
TheGreatBender 5 years ago
The camera must add a few hp lol. The Goat shoulda won both though. Who would buy an auto goat though? Someone brought their little sister to this street race
drkracker151 5 years ago
The GTO went 11.6 at 120 MPH and 1.8 60' with -
X-pipe, Nitto NT555R's and a 150 shot. I've seen Manual GTO's with more mods barely running low 12's.
rastarajah 5 years ago
i agree, manuals are fun to play around with on the street but sucks for racing. Auto all the way for racing, nothing launches like an ls based motor with a stall. hats off for both cars
southtexasfever 5 years ago
@rastarajah Nice track numbers man. I've got a 231/234 cam, header, bolt ons, 3000 sall and ran 12.3 @ 111 1.8 60' with a 5000DA. A4 FTW
jpap967 1 year ago
@rastarajah it is sad but true. An auto GTO is faster than an M6. The M6's suffer from more severe wheel hop in first and second gear. I know because I have an M6. However once an M6 Goat gets into 2nd gear it is a force to be reckoned with.
nevermissclancom 1 month ago
autos goats are faster
recoil080 1 year ago 3
those were some close races, nice cars by the way ^_^
PrudentAzn 5 years ago