The Bullet Proof Mind: Lt. Col. Dave Grossman Part 2

[OhTaxGuy]

Wow, so if you start out quoting from a medical journal in an authoritative military voice, it just MUST be true...right? Well Dave, what year and what was the title of the article(s) that you quoted from in the Medical Journal? You just threw out a bunch of scary FOX headlines as IF they were undisputed fact. Bottom Line: I'm not impressed with Dave's far-fetched logic strung together with half-truths and delivered with a pomp-ass attitude. I'll find my firearm training elsewhere.

[ObeKanobe]

It's interesting, too, that Hollywood (which nowadays works in alliance with game developers) generally treats controlled violence for national defense like it was something inherently evil. Even basically healthy films like "Hurt Locker" depict soldiers wearing uniforms with all flag patches mysteriously missing. On the other hand, nihilistic violence stripped of any ideals is trivialized as normal.

[elicitwildly]

The Gini coefficient is also highly correlated with and predictive of homicidal crime rates. I'd argue that video games don't make killers; killers, rather, are drawn to violent video games.

[SHARKREEF2011]

@elicitwildly bullshit.the cia and others designed video games for psychotronic brainwashing.also ritual and spells in the game.its s fact.they are left hand path tools/for control/harvesting/power(to them and their gods)

try operation pandora

jose delgado

[RedDeadCorrosion]

love his books really enjoyed hearing this as well. Of course as a mid 20 something year old. I disagree with him on his take on his stance on video games. I don't doubt the man himself, but I just agree to disagree on that. Really enjoyed listening to this, thanks for uploading it.

[keldung]

Secondly, there are people called sociopaths who don't have natural resistance to killing and might actually enjoy it. They are also often strong, even characteristic personalities and sometimes capable of manipulating others. Third of all, Mr. Grossman himself says, that most of the kids playing violent games won't become killers. Still, too many does.

[keldung]

To basejjj, vodka and others questioning Mr. Grossman's claims regarding media caused violent behavior. First of all, one thing Mr. Grossman is talking about (among others) is CONDITIONING. There are many ways to do that e.g. the example given here how the Japanese did it with young soldiers. There are many ways for that to happen also in Burma and Rwanda. Video games and movies are just one, an effective and wide spread way to do it.

[basejjj4321]

I'm a martial arts instructor, and I like Grossman's books "On Combat" and "On Killing" for some interesting information. But there is a big BUT here...there are no video games in Darfur, almost none to speak of in Rwanda. Nobody in Burma is playing Grand Theft Auto or Modern Warfare 2. Violence happens where the opportunity exists, where there are enough weak people who WILL NOT stand up & defend themselves against strong, determined individuals. That's why I started training in the 1st place

[scdefion]

@basejjj4321 You are correct about the lack of tv ,video games and etc. in the third world. But you have have realize alot of children in those countries grow up in societies that have generational violence. There parents and elders have a lack of morals so they do too.

[Flaser01]

@basejjj4321

In Dafur and in Rwanda children are not brutalized by the media. There, children are just plain physically brutalized along with their parents. These children grow up to be violent themselves and the circle of victims turned perpertators is created.

Putting an end to it - sometimes by a bullet through the perps brain, other times by locking them up or making them change their ways - is only the start. The people themselves also need to seek peace and hold life sacred.

[jakedill1104]

@basejjj4321 Lt. Col. Grossman would argue back that the statistics he was dealing with were with American/Western kids. Growing up in Somalia or Rwanda is entirely different than growing up in the West. Killing Westerners is a taught and socially supported action in Somalia and Darfur.

[JihadForJesus12]

@basejjj4321

You do make a really good point. But I've read a book by a former Sierra Leon child soldier who explained that once he joined the Army at the age of 13, his captives brainwashed and crammed his head with violent hollywood movies such as Rambo to help him get into the mindset of killing people. The book was called "Child Soldier" by Ishmael Beah.

[0evilplayer]

Very interesting. Back to Modern Warfare 2.

[kaminariuchi]

So this kid had a higher kill rate than trained law enforcement officers?

Why aren't we using these guys?

[vodka667]

I read on combat and on killing. He is very intelligent but because you are an expert in ONE field, it does not follow that you are an expert in ALL fields. His rants about Media violence and children are absurd. Totally wrong. Hitler didn't play grand theft auto or watch the terminator. Impailings, crucifixions, and other tortures have dropped -- not increased. A strong argument can be made that media violence is a catharsis for real violence and some statistics show that it has gone dwn

[nightstalkersasslt]

True but Hitler never killed anyone with his own hands. Also, Hitler was as removed from human sympathy as kids are today. LT.C Grossman has hit the nail on the head.

[bucktoe123]

Hitler convinced a nation to kill for him. he justified killing one race in order for another to advance? the crusades? public hangings and torture? the video game argument doesn't work, yes military role models and the media's glorification of war, nationalism and dying/killing for your country are alot more effective in promoting violence. social conditioning has made violence acceptable. That is the reason violent video games are popular, so this time the chicken comes before the egg!

[MrSalamander7]

I must say his voice bugs me, but I love listening to him talk, even on the stuff I disagree with him on, which is little.

[CrystalHunter1989]

I remember when that school shooting happened. I live in Paducah and one of my good friends was paralyzed as a result of the gunshot wound.

I was only a child but I remember very clearly.

[xm4989]

Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, I great repect and admiration for you work. I teach my men from your "On Combat" book. I've had a few close calls in my career but know I see things different. Thank you so Much Lt. Col.

[emulator900]

Thanks for posting these. Very interesting stuff.

The guy sounds like a southern religious preacher.

But I'd say he is preaching about things that are worthwhile.