Ulver - Maihaugen 30th May 2009

[italianale]

what song is it?

[Metaalhoofdje123]

@italianale Little Blue Bird

[Sinbadovic]

Beyond awesome

[MrFreemasons]

One question for carootic, how did you find ULVER or hear for them?! What is your point?

[MrFreemasons]

And I dont understand how you get conclusion that " I don't have much to say, except that you seem to study history, if at all, in a single-minded and predisposed fashion." ???

[carootic]

The conclusion is supported by your understanding of Hitler's "Mein Kampf" to be "the" answer for apparently everything. Good that you read it. Many didn't. It describes well, which sick mind influenced so many people and caused the burning of other books. Maybe you should read those other books at well...

With sincere regards.

[carootic]

MrFreemasons, I appreciate your response and I agree with you partially that Ulver represents, at least in some of their works, true artistic genius. Categorising them therefore as a (in your words) "Satanic band," belittles their influence and diminishes their source of inspirations, effectively reducing them to an anti-thetical position in defiance of Christianity.

[carootic]

What's the applause for?!

"Forgive Us" - is that a bad joke?

Someone understanding, what's going on here?!

Yo, guys - you're hailing a band and in your hail forget your critical mind - followers of Garm...

[MrFreemasons]

CAROOTIC this is ULVER my friend... Dont post if you dont understand! This is masterpeace. Greetings from Serbia...

[carootic]

Well, what is posting for, MrFreemasons?

If you would be able to share your keen insight, why not do so and help me understand, what appears to be an apologetic piece on the Holocaust - "Forgive Us" [sic!]

Ulver appears to be obsessed with facist aesthetics, you guys appear to be obsessed with Ulver - pretty clear to me what is happening here. But waiting for your interpretation, helping me understand - or once again trying to exclude me from expressing my opinion?

[MrFreemasons]

You are good observer Mr carootic but you are bad listener... Dont be so ironic! I am not obsessed with Ulver and with fasist regime but if you dont like ULVER dont post here. They are great artists for me. Hitler Germany have the best propaganda in the world... Hitler was a great leader...ULVER is Satanic band and that is a fact. Open your mind... I cant open the door but I can give you the key... Love is the law, love under will...

[carootic]

In regard to your words "Hitler was a great leader" and "Hitler Germany had the best propaganda in the world," I don't have much to say, except that you seem to study history, if at all, in a single-minded and predisposed fashion.

I think there is room for comments and posting, precisely to express opinions freely and "liking" becomes secondary, if you search for truth and not for "opression and discrimination" or, in your words: "love under will."

[MrFreemasons]

Mr carootic I think this is not right place for intelectual, moral and philosofical disscusion... Please read My Kampf by Adolf Hitler and you will see that he predict almost everything that hapend today. When I say that he was great lider I didnt say that I agree with holocaust. Hitler was the only leader in history that was no smoker, vegetarian, have only one wife... My writing english is not very good so I cant expres my self . But I thin that I made my point. P.S I like your atitude

[Ashabarala]

Dude it's a piece of art, don't try to ratinalize art, it is suppoused to create emotion, very dark emotions, if you can't take it then don't listen to them.

[carootic]

Thank you for your well meant advice, Ashabarala. Here is mine: If you don't want to use your rational mind and the "emotion, very dark emotion" satisfies your aspirations - then go on, don't think.

[carootic]

There is a difference between rationalizing and being critical, Ashabarala. If you cannot handle thoughts which accompany these emotions, and if these emotions silence your thinking (and not the singing ;) pun)- maybe then it is time to be concerned not about me, but about yourself.

But thank you anyway. Sincerely, carootic.

[Ashabarala]

We fear the things we don't understand, the powers of good and evil of the world. The past, the future, the promises... The folly of those who died for nothing.

[carootic]

Again, my point is that Ulver's "Forgive Us" in the context of its performance and the audience's committed applause in the face of these atrocities is a disgrace for the memory of all victims in the Shoah. It hurts my ethical human core. Silence would be a more appropriate reaction. Ulver tried to teach silence - would you also call it (self-)censorship?

I am aware of the enthusiasm Ulver stirs in some, still - I need a critical distance in order not just to be another wolf in the pack.

[Ashabarala]

Then you should have an open mind about this and do not satanize ulver and it's audience.

Have you come to think that this images are ment to have the reaction you're having? Horror, shame... along with the music alone (since Little Blue Bird's lyrics have nothing to do with the holocaust). To be able to create that emotion/reaction... that is art.

[carootic]

Ashabarala, you seem very quick in judgement. Please have a look again on the video footage.

What ends as a climax of destruction - documentary material from Nazi death camps in the Holocaust, is accompanied by a hurrying and rewarding applause of the audience at the end of the show. This appears to me as mindless reaction and unreflected appraisal of genocide.

[Ashabarala]

What people are applauding is the end of the first song, of the first performance, on 15 years. It would be insane if you are an Ulver fan, finally for the first time you see them live on stage and when they finish the first peace, as greatly excecuted as in this video, and you do not applaud to them. watch?v=RIzXd4Ywi_4&feature=re­lated

[MrFreemasons]

Ashabarala you explain everything, keep your thoughts, words and energy... Mr or Mrs carootic can't understand you ;)

[carootic]

Again: criticism is neither judgement, condemnation, nor "satanizing Ulver and it's audience"

It should indeed be rewarding to investigate into the connection between Ulver's lyrics, music and their employment of facist aesthetics via documentary video footage from Nazi Germany and its death camps.

To be able to discern and criticize distinguishes reception from mere (emotional) consumption.

Sincerely, carootic.

[Ashabarala]

I do not live in Norway or I would had go to that concert, but in no other video have I seen holocaust v-link footage. The way I see it, the footage relates to the song not in an antisemitic way but as in the Germans nowadays, young ones that weren't even alive when the ww2 was held, and yet they are all hated becasue of what their ancestors did, I think it relates very well with the lyrics of the song.

[Ashabarala]

Lyrics of Little Blue Bird, of the album A Quick Fix of Melancholy: little bird in blue worlds spinning things with wings beating the sacred heart running cold and scared wanting warmer weather to leave all winter behind the cutting edge of the sword in blood of the burning heart nailed into unholy ground and the skies going under over paradise is offering something to prevent nothing little bird in white worlds singing nothing to hear without heed of the heart cut by the swords of heaven.

[carootic]

Thank you for the lyrics, Ashabarala. The little blue bird could be interpreted in an allegorical manner as representing the victims, depicted in the accompanying video footage. Still, if you applause primarily for Ulver, this means effectively it doesn't matter what they perform. This precisely is my point.

[Ashabarala]

Could be interpreted that way, again, it's a difference of oppinion. Musically, everything they've done it's amazing, so I applaude to them. Tricked?? What for?? Because they appreciate silence?? If that's the case, then they are the ones being tricked, since we (the audience) convinced them to play on stage.

[carootic]

As you said, what you call "amazing" is a matter of subjective aesthetic perception and conditioning.

Tricked. Indeed. The audience was caused to react in an unreflected way to something one should reflect upon.

It is like a kiss you want to give to your partner and you 'convince' him. But he demands darkness and then puts someone else in front of you. You kiss. If you know your partner, then you reckognize immedtiately the mistake. If not, you keep on kissing. Or whatever you take it for.

[Ashabarala]

The thing is that you insist that one should react negatively to the video footage. We react, but not in they way you want, as I said the very dark is intended in all of this, not for nothing it's called darkwave. I explained what it is to me the link between the video and the lyrics of the song, if they used holocaust footage for their performance.. so what? are we suppoused to forget it happened and never touch that material again? I already explained why they put the words "forgive us."

[carootic]

My point: by giving applause, the audience affirmed the atrocities of the Holocaust and expressed a lack of understanding.

How do you deal with things? You can do it in respectful and responsible ways, or not. Expression of respect for Ulver, in our particular case, is paired with an expression of disrespect for the victims of the Shoa. By silence, the audience would have respected and honored both, thus I surmise.

I am in favour of a more respectful and less apologetic reaction (responsibility)

[carootic]

I never accused Ulver or its audience as being anti-semitic. My point of contention is the unreflected appraisal of a band regardless of the content of their performance. I understand your argumentation, still silence would have been a more appropriate reaction to the horror depicted - in respect to the dead human souls displayed in this commercial/ artistic music performance. Especially if I like or adore someone, I tell him what I think. Ulver appreciates silence. You have been tricked.

[carootic]

PS: Just to make it clear, the Holocaust cannot be forgiven - it should not be instrumentalized, nor slandered, nor forgotten. It is a crime against humanity, against each human. Ulver's "Forgive Us" in combination with its Holocaust Films, Music and Text provides a subtext for anti-human positions, such as Nazism and Facism. You are human, so am I - there may be a wolf within us, but it is the overcoming of its bestiality, which makes me human, not its living-out - think about it...

[Ashabarala]

Those dark emotions are a big part of our humanity as well, misantropy and hatred as opposite to love are as well part of our humanity, it's just what we are, not because it is an attrocitie it should be repreased in the artistic manner. Odd Nerdrum and Chaim Soutine paintings should be banned according to your logic. Not everything is beautiful, not all is love, this is earth, this is us, and this is what is represented through art.

[carootic]

Ashabrala, nice words. Yet, I am startled- from our little conversation you are already familiar with my logic? I suggest you read my comments above again. I am not advocating censorship. I am advocating an open mind and the freedom to express reflected opinions. Dialogue.

[Rhanyan]

Wowzer! :) Love this band, thank you so much for posting this.

[kasuskasus]

Klockrent!

[RobYlenia]

Verdens beste.

[MrFreemasons]

I am adicted to this song

[GoldenRatio]

Great video. That footage from the Olympics Nazi Propaganda film tied in very well with the music (just as it does in Rammstein's video for 'Stripped' as a matter of fact...). Brilliant.

[elimantikk]

now only waiting for 07.08.09 brutal assault , ULVER rocks :)

[EscapeFromF5]

Thank you so, so much for filming and posting this.

[deviantelegy]

rock massif pt 2 i guess.... awesome

[PaisteLover]

DAMN!!! THAT"S AWESOME!!!

[TheTrueAsgard]

Simply awesome! Thanks Vorphy for uploading this footage, I'd love to see Ulver playing in my country some day. :)

[amon666amarth666]

setlist of the concert?

[maxxxt69]

awesome! wish you had the whole set :(

[vorphy]

Yes...but my arm got tired and also I wanted to enjoy the show. Better than nothing though :)

[momsbluedress]

Thank you so much!

[catgCScorpii]

i heart vorphy!! like many others do

[GeorgeNecola]

vorphy! thanx a lot for filming this. I missed it.. maybe next year :)

cheers & thank you so much

[seb2112]

Wish I was there, thanks for posting

[Octagrama]

shit! fuck off!!!

[burntheweb]

Full set list was 01. [ladies and gentlemen] 02. Little Blue Bird 03. Rock Massif 04. Funebre 05. Let The Children Go 06. Everybody's Been Burned (The Byrds cover) 07. Silence Teaches You How To Sing 08. Porn Piece Or The Scars Of Cold Kisses 09. Plates 16-17 10. In The Red 11. Like Music 12. Not Saved 13. [thank you all]

[burntheweb]

Pity you only filmed the first 2 songs... Cause after that you sort of annoyed me as your camera bips weren't off (I was your left neighbour...and during Not Saved, that was killing...) But you're forgiven cause this vid is great ;)

[vorphy]

Hm...don't think that was me. I turned the camera off after filming the first somg, cause it was too dark in there for my camera. And I believe I had one of the many Italian guys attending on my left side...

[burntheweb]

haha, well then it's only thumbs up for you :)

ust said that cause I can hear myself loud and clear in your vid ;) So I really thought it was you.. ;)

[culturevulture999]

best band in the world. simple.

[tva88]

Minne verdig øyeblikk. Bra opplasting.

Til dere som ikke var der. Skjep dekk! Var forsatt igjen plasser.

[Burnthas]

Why are they showing nazi stock fotage?

[JudgeJudas]

Almost the entire set included stock footage, and the use of stock footage from the Olympia nazipropaganda video from 1936 is something that can give so many different interpretations, and one of the thoughts I had was that it would mean something different, and provoce forth thoughts to everyone, for everyone, which is, although rather simple perhaps, somewhat brilliant. Ofcourse, they could mean something completely else with it, but that's my two cents.

[RedKain]

Which was, according to the words of the big G. himself, what they were aiming for.

[Habichtshorst]

vorphy, are you able to write down a set lis of the gig? Thanks for putting this online, awesome quality!

[vorphy]

I don' t, sorry. I am not too into the new Ulver stuff, so I'm afraid I wouldn't know the name of the songs.

[JudgeJudas]

Little Blue Bird and Rock Massif pt I and II, I think (these are the songs in this video)

Funebre

Let the Children Go

Porn Piece of Scars of Cold Kisses

Like Music

Not Saved

Those are the ones I remember specifically, in that order I believe. The Not Saved ending was incredible, I loved that version.

[Habichtshorst]

Thanks! Will need to make that playlist, close the curtain, put on some videos as shown there and imagine that I was *almost* there =)

[horrorcosmico]

we wish been there, but we are so far....chile.

[culturevulture999]

fucking incredible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Aftertho]

OMG

[Zajcik]

do you have more?

[vorphy]

Sorry, I only filmed the first song.

[JudgeJudas]

Without a doubt one of the best happenings in my life.

[Danzoc]

TO CHORANDO COM LITTLE BLUE BIRDS!!!

[ErnestoAMB]

No doubt about it, they are gods

Simply great!

[tattooedsean777]

Wow, wish I had been there!