I think that we are actualy an atom, I think we are small to some beings who are bigger than us, and maby we are parts of those beings, maby we are in some organism like cells in our bodys, but we are too small ! ! !
we swore the earth was flat because all the evidence was there to prove it, man is so small and insignificant that no matter where you go on Earth the slight curve that makes it a sphere is SOO insignifcant that it appears to flat no matter where you go, even in Antarctica the "bottom" of the world you dont appear to be standing upside-down on some kind of floor-ceiling fusion
True - it's one of those cases where the truth is totally counter intuitive.
Still, how would the Earth have looked if it was a sphere? Pretty much exactly as it does if it were flat. It took someone to test the two options to arrive at the disturbing truth.
so you believe that man, who swore the earth was flat... can explain how all the planets and galaxies got here. all the these places he cant reach and cant see .. but wants people to believe he knows how they got here. nothing devine, just all random acts. gotcha... . how come the big bang.. is the only thing to come from nothing? how come everything else has to come from something.. has to be created?
No one has said anything ever, about something coming from nothing. The big bang doesn't explain this, it doesn't even cover the origin of the universe, just the expansion of space time.
You are aware it says in the bible that the Earth is flat right?
Just because you can not comprehend something does not mean you can make up some fantasy about it, simply saying, "I don't know" is much better because it keeps the topic open for discovery, but theists tend to be afraid of that phrase.
@carlawon Where did the creator come from? Science is a tool used to explained what we can persive. The big bang is only as far as we can explain today using science. In the future we may explain a little further, but only based on evidence. Even if we have to correct ourselves once in a while, science is still the best tool to help us understand our existance.
This is for the scientific atheists out there. In the Bible, it says God created the universe. Ok, so if He created the universe, then He obviously created science. If God created science, then why couldn't have God sparked the Big Bang Theory and set evolution into motion? If anyone can answer that then I will be an atheist.
I didn't COMMAND him to do anything. I'm just sayin that its possible God did do those things. How am i goin to command God to do something He has already done?
The crust forms large plates which collide with each other, in turn causing volcanos and earthquakes. AND
The land area comprises 29.2% of the surface, but not all of it is inhabitable.
Scientists believe that continents came together and split apart several times. So at one time there WAS one big landmass that was habitable in all areas. Do they take this into account when they give hypothesis of disproving God? Seems the answer is NO.
What is yours? You seem to know what is false and true. You have "both sides of the story" which now makes you an expert in the sciences. Give me your hypothesis on what was before the famous "Big Bang."
First of all, one cannot assume that there was such a condition as "before the big bang." The laws of physics show that time and space are inseparable and a frame of reference is REQUIRED in order to experience time. No such frame exists at a singularity (starting condition of big bang). Of course this is counter-intuitive but it is supported by observation, otherwise GPS systems would not work. Nevertheless some cosmologists attribute the birth of the universe to "quantum fluctuations."
Why do Atheists make everything junk which doesnt fit into their hypothesis
70.8% of the planet's surface is covered by water, so we can't live there.
Right. Which makes earth unique. Not a drop of liquid water can be found anywhere else in the solar system. If the hydrosphere wasnt the way it is it would effect all systems and cycles and wed die.
So God made a universe 78 billion light years across, and filled it up with 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% crap, created a tiny dot upon rough a fifth of whose surface we can live, and this convinces you there's an intelligent, loving creator who's allllll about us, does it?
@MightyMusicLion The universe does not present itself as being created at all (but it may be) However, believing that everything needs a creator means the cretor is someone's creation as well.
Today's Scientists are struggling to even come up with a solid conclusion to whether there is life on Mars or not! , (that's the planet next 2 us btw.. if you didnt know).. So just imagine The vastness of our universe, it is inevitable that there is life out there.. if you cannot face the reality than you truly have no knowledge of your own existence. Peace. Salam
If this universe were designed with humans in mind at all, it was designed to humble us, and tell us we should not behave like we're anything special, and not treat it like it is ours. When you look at the universe from a cosmic perspective, Earth is just a small haven in Hell, a tiny sanctuary in an eternal storm. We are like an ant colony taking refuge inside of a seed during a monsoon that will never end.
I think if you got into the scale of time, and got into zoology, there's enough material for this vid to have a part 2.
The timeline of the cosmos and the earth both show the earth as just next in line; Mankind is just another tale in a never-ending anthology.
Then studying animals; their trials and tribulations, conflicts and struggles for power in the group, food, or a mate, to say it's for us is like saying your city's problems & conflicts revolve around you or are there to serve you
Is this meant to aid in proving God must not exist? If so, it does no such thing. I agree with you 100% that the universe was not made for us, but vice versa. Creationism is trying to force something into reality that just isn't there, but that does not equate to--in your use of reason--that a god cannot be responsible for the universe.
why would I? Im not part of a any church. I domt claim to have any specific knowledge about god. "god is like a child palying with clay." is totaly my own opinion and if I want to have an opinion or some kind of god concept of my own, then whats it to you? Telling people to "Accept that gods simply dont exist." is as stupid thing to do as telling them to accept that god doe exist...
hitory has shown that you cant force people out of religion.romans used to slay christians at sight and much good that did!as long as people are willing -and they are, to die for their beliefs, we can´t force them to do so.the direction we should be going at is tolarance between religions and stricter rules on religious conduct.There is nothing wrong about keeping god in your heart.its when god goes in to your mouth when the problems start.
"hitory has shown that you cant force people out of religion"
Sure you can, kill them all.
Yeah, realy mature!
"Listen, boy, we can prove that gods dont exist."
First: Dont you "boy" me! Second: We cant proof or disproof any higher beings.We cant even proof other dimensions or black matter still in science we take these things as thruth untill someone proofs otherwise.If I want to keep a concept of god that I choose not to talk about since its personal it should not be a problem.
Yes we can "proof" them, kid. Humans made them up, and if you had any level of history education you would realize that.
"it should not be a problem."
Its not, boy, you obviously dont understand the issue. You can be as insane and delusional as you want. The problem comes up when you try to force it on others.
your tone makes me think you as an elitist aashole so this will be my last post.
"The problem comes up when you try to force it on others."this we agree on.and on reality, that depends on viewer.you cant say that a theist who break in tears in church hasn´t had a experience from god ´cause hes reality is just different.and if you had any ability to abstract thinking on top of that your wonderfull education that you seem to know I dont have you would realize that.
people like you is why I dont like to be labelled a atheist.all I said was that my opinion of god was that she is like a child and in a instant there was you on your high horse waweing your "reality" card on my face accusing me for being delude undermining my intelligence and making claims on the level of my education.people like you are worse than any fundamentalist theist and a much locked in the box you cant seem get out from.
"you cant say that a theist who break in tears in church hasn´t had a experience from god"
Yes I can, boy. Their god, your god, and every other god who ever has or ever will exist has only EVER been a fabrication constructed for clear reasons, thousands of years ago.
"cause hes reality is just different"
You couldn't sound more ignorant than you do right now.
You argument is a logical fallacy: God of the Gaps.
you know what you are an asshole and a bully.you know nothing about me and you go around like you have it all figure out.read descartes for starters.you are as fundamental as any christian or a muslim alike.i never said i belive in god yet you seem to know i do.there is a difference in believing something as true and just understanding the concept of what people believe that is.
I called a god she cause I believe we have no way of knowing if there is a god and if there is what it is.I call god a she to annoy some christians that are so easily offended.you can walk a way from this conversation as a winner, I dont care any more.I may be a fool but I dont pick fights with people just to proof that Im some how better.I still stand behind the fact that you are as fundamental as any christian or a muslim.
I believe in coexisting.every idea should be tolerated.freedom is the right to believe whatever you want,anarchy is the right to do whatever you want,and I believe in freedom with strict laws of conduct.the way you are going about it,calling people fools and failures will never lead to anywhere.you win!now take your sence of righteousness, parade it round for a while,then come back and pick fight with someone else.
"You called yourself an Atheist and then you said you believed in a god."
no I said:"people like you is why I dont like to be labelled a atheist"
"Why should 9/11 be tolerated? Why should deluded people taking control of countries be tolerated?"I said:Religious IDEAs should be tolerated.9/11 was no idea it was action and I never said thet religious action should be tolerated.Now I know you´re coming back to cll me a fool so dont.if you dont have anything but insults the dont bother answering
Its true im no atheist but neither am I theist.This isnt us or them kind of situation since both parties are full of stupid people.lennon said that god´s a concept by which we measure our pain.I stand by that.god is a concept and a good one to have.
You still dont get it do you? When you say "god" you are being very specific. So, which god is it that you believe in. What does it do? Did it create anything? What is its influence on the world?
"You are such a complete failure, TuplaP."what did I say about the name calling?I realy would like us to get to a conclusion but if this is your attitude I dont see how its possible."When you say "god" you are being very specific"if Id say the christian trinity or allah,khrisna or thor the I would be specific.you should greek orthodox theology to get the full idea but over simplified it goes like this gods can be felt but not with our sences.
its more like meditation ritual than anything else.now I realy dont want to fight with you.you seem(by your profile)relatively wise individual(bit fundamental but still)and Id like us to get to a point were if not agree atleast understand each other.But if you are continuing this just to insult then lets stop it here.
"Guess what, kid? Actions happen because of ideas. Religious actions happen because of religious ideas."this is like saying people dont kill people guns kill people.
"and Id like us to get to a point were if not agree atleast understand each other"
How can you even ask that when you started off with a lie about being an Atheist?
You are deceitful.
"this is like saying people dont kill people guns kill people."
Dont be an idiot. Ideas back everything people do, and if they use their religious views to do something, even to murder, you say it should be tolerated?
Gods dont exist. They were created, like I said before, to answer gaps in knowledge ten thousand some years ago. All current religious are based on the older and simpler concepts of the same thing.
God of the Gaps fallacy.
You say a god exists, TuplaP. What does it do? Did it create the human race? Did it create the world? If so, when?
you are malicious.christians i´ve talked with has labelled me and atheist and you´re the reason I dont want to be associated with atheist that is all this sentece indicates.you´re hearin(or reading)what you want to hear(or read).
yet we cant take away the right to own a gun but we can have laws where when and why those guns are being used.same way we cant take away religious idea but we can keep it out from classrooms.
"same way we cant take away religious idea but we can keep it out from classrooms."
I'm not after removing or destroying religion from the world. Everyone has the right to do whatever they want, but they do NOT have the right to force it on others.
Religion should be a hobby, not a focus.
Stop beating around the bush, TuplaP, what does your god do? If it exists, it must have done something to draw your attention. Explain it.
"I'm not after removing or destroying religion from the world. Everyone has the right to do whatever they want, but they do NOT have the right to force it on others."we are on the same level here,so why are you so angry?why you keep attacking me?´cause you misunderstood that I was claiming to be an atheist.my god doesnt exist.my god never created anything.you could compare esthetics.a concept.go and look it up from the dictinary.
"my god doesnt exist.my god never created anything.you could compare esthetics.a concept.go and look it up from the dictinary."
I suggest you look up what aesthetics actually means.
It has nothing to do with a god of any kind.
You had better find out what you really believe in and then learn how to actually express that. You are butchering this debate because you dont even know how to do that much.
what debate, your not intrested in debate your intrested insults.like i said before but I doubt you even read what i post.I said:"people like you is why I dont like to be labelled a atheist." and explained after you took it twisted it and throwed it back at my face that:christians i´ve talked with has labelled me and atheist and you´re the reason I dont want to be associated with atheist that is all this sentece indicates!
"same way we can stop tolerating ides when they are abused and not a minute earlier"
In that case, we should have stopped tolerating religion thousands of years ago.
You really are a failure, do you realize that TuplaP?
STOP avoiding my questions and ANSWER them for a change. You are the one claiming that you want some kind of understanding. STOP avoiding me and ANSWER the questions!
Did it create the human race?:no we developed thru evolution Did it create the world?:No What else you want me to answer.I explained my god concept so many times now that i just hve to accept that you so locked away in your box that you´ll never understand it.
from your posts i see you have read your dwkins so let me put it this way:I doubt that dawkins ever pointed a finger to somebody called them a fool an idiot and a failure and the demanded that he accepts reality.thats why he is a great man and you´re not.
did you get beaten when you were kid or are you just an asshole from birth?maybe you dont have friends so you need to get somekind of self worth online insulting people.what ever the reason I can say this from the bottom of my heart:Fuck You!
I know this was posted 3 months ago, but statements like "This doesn't exist and we can prove it." really bother me.
If you prove something, it does exist. Why?
Simple, no one can 'prove' a negative. You can only show proof for something that DOES exist. You can prove horses exist and dinosaurs did exist. But you can't prove that fairies, unicorns or God don't. No scientist in the world would say they can definitively prove God doesn't exist. They may believe it, they just wouldn't say it.
Not quite. In complex topics like a god, which is based off of a religion and has a recorded history, yes you can prove this god doesn't exist.
You can accomplish this by dismantling the entire religious system, destroying the claims and eliminating any and substance by way of scientific proof.
Not only that, but if you can prove and show how a religion was born and evolved, you can prove it was constructed by humans, like all the others.
Yes, you're right, ALL religions were created by man. And they can be anilized and deconstructed, just as you say.
But God and my faith have very little (read: nothing) to to with any religion. So, all religions out of the equation, and using only my faith, I would like you to prove God doesn't exist.
"But God and my faith have very little (read: nothing) to to with any religion."
Dont be a fool.
Your religion is based on old and dead cultures, IE: the faith of dead civilizations.
Your assertion that faith and gods have nothing to do with religion is an intellectually dishonest way of lying to yourself in the face of undeniable logic.
I am done with you. You are a hypocrite for lying and breaking that Ten Commandment. You are a fraud.
Please ThatOneQuestion, you've done what those without faith usually do. Rush in with accusations with out knowing the facts.
In what way was I lying? I read over my statements again, and there is nothing there that could cause anyone to think I lied. Although, you seem to have made a number of false assumptions. I'll clear one of them for you, I HAVE NO (spelled just the way it sounds, N O) RELIGION. I have Faith.
Now, where did I lie? (Perhaps you should have asked more than one question?)
Dont lie to my face and then insult my intelligence by thinking you can recreate your own definitions to words you find yourself unable to apply without hypocrisy.
Your god and faith IS your religion, fool. You follow a religion by having faith in the god of a specific religion.
Dont you dare lie to me again, child. You are a fraud.
Roman Catholic Church Polish National Church Baptist Protistent Mormon Jehovah Witness Those are all Christian based religions. Islam Jewish Buddism Hindi Those are religions. I am a christian. I follow no organized religion, I am not religious in any way. Christianity is a faith. I believe in Intelligent Design. I believe I can gain knowledge through the texts that became the Bible. And, I believe in an after-life. If I'm not what you want me to be, sorry.
"I am a christian. I follow no organized religion,"
You idiot. You call yourself a Christian, therefor you follow the Christian religion.
"I believe in Intelligent Design."
Than you are an even bigger dumbass than before. ID is dead, and its been revealed to be ORGANIZED RELIGION trying to push its ideals into the educational and scientific systems.
"I HAVE NO RELIGION" You can invent your own definitions if you like, but don't expect others to accept them. Without standardized definitions we have no communication. religion |rɪˌlɪdʒ(ə)n| noun the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods That's what Christianity is. A religion that claims to not be a religion. Which has a certain symmetry: A set of lies, lying about itself.
That's one dictionary definition. But in conversing with those who don't have a belief, I prefer using the legal definition, which includes tests. One of which is, is it organized. The Christianity I follow, is not.
You've already check on my previous replies and know I've never concluded that language no longer has meaning. Quite the opposite, I expect you to be exact in what you say.
You've also most likely looked into my assertion that Christianity is not a religion or church by legal definition, and discovered that I am correct. If I wasn't, then secularism and atheism would also be religions. I know you wouldn't like that!
You're tired of spinning the facts to fit your ideas. Fine.
It's hard to prove that leprachauns don't exist. It's hard to prove there's no god. But it's easy to prove the Christian God doesn't exist. It is logically impossible that any being can have the following characteristics: 1- all-knowing 2- all-powerful 3- actively involved in human affairs 4- loving in nature. 1 and 2 and 3 are consistent. 1 and 3 and 4 can be consistent. But to see evil and choose not to stop it one cannot be loving. Mutually exclusive attributes equals nonexistence.
I must have missed this one the first time round, then I followed a link from KingHeathen's channel. I think this could be the best video you've yet made. It's my favourite, anyway. Great music, visuals, and message. The real universe is far more awe-inspiring than any human mythology.
It's scary to think that we may not (or never) be equipped to live outside this planet which kinda puts a hix on Stephen Hawkins' "Ultimate Insurance Policy" theory of intersteller migration to ensure survival of our whole species.
I hope we can somehow find a workable solution to this...even if it is technological in nature...and maybe guided evolution in order to re-form to the forces of nature on other planets?
I have a pet theory that we will discover the only way for us to survive interstellar space travel is to take the planet with us. I think we are doomed to remain on this rock (at least in this form).
I almost missed the point due the voiceaudio.. But ya text it in the last second. Yes it's a very small piece of land we have to live on. But it's all we got in this form of "life" maybe our energy can manifest it self some other way. Somewhere else.
And if it where designed, havn't we all understood that it wouldn't be a very intelligent design.
Beautiful images btw :) those mountains in about 2.40 min in was incredible. ciao amigo
I think that we are actualy an atom, I think we are small to some beings who are bigger than us, and maby we are parts of those beings, maby we are in some organism like cells in our bodys, but we are too small ! ! !
trile666 1 year ago
Nothing is designed for nothing..
BrunoWellDantas 2 years ago
hey askegg thnx for the christmas special yesterday it was fun.
i already wondered about your videos .
so i decided to check them out .
nice videos man
i especially like this 1
im a sucker for universe videos .
lol
ImmortalUniverse 2 years ago
Glad you enjoyed the show. I have never done anything like that before and it was a lot of fun. Might do something like that again in the future.
Glad you enjoyed the video :)
askegg 2 years ago
we swore the earth was flat because all the evidence was there to prove it, man is so small and insignificant that no matter where you go on Earth the slight curve that makes it a sphere is SOO insignifcant that it appears to flat no matter where you go, even in Antarctica the "bottom" of the world you dont appear to be standing upside-down on some kind of floor-ceiling fusion
Jarut195 2 years ago
True - it's one of those cases where the truth is totally counter intuitive.
Still, how would the Earth have looked if it was a sphere? Pretty much exactly as it does if it were flat. It took someone to test the two options to arrive at the disturbing truth.
askegg 2 years ago
Another interesting video ruined by music that is too loud! I have to strain my ears!
boomtao 2 years ago
so you believe that man, who swore the earth was flat... can explain how all the planets and galaxies got here. all the these places he cant reach and cant see .. but wants people to believe he knows how they got here. nothing devine, just all random acts. gotcha... . how come the big bang.. is the only thing to come from nothing? how come everything else has to come from something.. has to be created?
carlawon 2 years ago
I believe no such thing. I am on the other side of the fence.
askegg 2 years ago
No one has said anything ever, about something coming from nothing. The big bang doesn't explain this, it doesn't even cover the origin of the universe, just the expansion of space time.
You are aware it says in the bible that the Earth is flat right?
Just because you can not comprehend something does not mean you can make up some fantasy about it, simply saying, "I don't know" is much better because it keeps the topic open for discovery, but theists tend to be afraid of that phrase.
j0nathanbs23 2 years ago
@carlawon Where did the creator come from? Science is a tool used to explained what we can persive. The big bang is only as far as we can explain today using science. In the future we may explain a little further, but only based on evidence. Even if we have to correct ourselves once in a while, science is still the best tool to help us understand our existance.
ctelon 1 year ago
or are we just a random glitch in the universe spontaniously generated out of a chemical reaction of organic compounds (non living things)?
nmerjkwbnekjbg 2 years ago
This is for the scientific atheists out there. In the Bible, it says God created the universe. Ok, so if He created the universe, then He obviously created science. If God created science, then why couldn't have God sparked the Big Bang Theory and set evolution into motion? If anyone can answer that then I will be an atheist.
Punkandfunk420 2 years ago
because God will not take a command from a people like you.
roniepao 2 years ago
Take what command?
Punkandfunk420 2 years ago
why are you commanding God to sparked the Big Bang Theory and set evolution into motion?
roniepao 2 years ago
I didn't COMMAND him to do anything. I'm just sayin that its possible God did do those things. How am i goin to command God to do something He has already done?
Punkandfunk420 2 years ago
Not collecting stamps is a hobby, too.
TritonAlias 2 years ago
The crust forms large plates which collide with each other, in turn causing volcanos and earthquakes. AND
The land area comprises 29.2% of the surface, but not all of it is inhabitable.
Scientists believe that continents came together and split apart several times. So at one time there WAS one big landmass that was habitable in all areas. Do they take this into account when they give hypothesis of disproving God? Seems the answer is NO.
fothelame 2 years ago
So what's your hypothesis? There was once one big land mass, therefore god exists?
askegg 2 years ago
What is yours? You seem to know what is false and true. You have "both sides of the story" which now makes you an expert in the sciences. Give me your hypothesis on what was before the famous "Big Bang."
fothelame 2 years ago
:=))
fothelame you are so idiot... You only prove that you have mental problems..
caprioaraciprian 2 years ago
First of all, one cannot assume that there was such a condition as "before the big bang." The laws of physics show that time and space are inseparable and a frame of reference is REQUIRED in order to experience time. No such frame exists at a singularity (starting condition of big bang). Of course this is counter-intuitive but it is supported by observation, otherwise GPS systems would not work. Nevertheless some cosmologists attribute the birth of the universe to "quantum fluctuations."
eapst28 2 years ago
Why do Atheists make everything junk which doesnt fit into their hypothesis
70.8% of the planet's surface is covered by water, so we can't live there.
Right. Which makes earth unique. Not a drop of liquid water can be found anywhere else in the solar system. If the hydrosphere wasnt the way it is it would effect all systems and cycles and wed die.
fothelame 2 years ago
"Which makes earth unique. Not a drop of liquid water can be found anywhere else in the solar system."
Thank you for making my point for me. It seems your god did a piss poor job of designing the universe for *us*.
askegg 2 years ago
The Bible don't say he made the universe for us, moron. It says he made the Earth for us. Get your facts straight.
Punkandfunk420 2 years ago
So God made a universe 78 billion light years across, and filled it up with 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% crap, created a tiny dot upon rough a fifth of whose surface we can live, and this convinces you there's an intelligent, loving creator who's allllll about us, does it?
jshallist 2 years ago 6
Yes, because you would be ignorant to believe that all of the universe magically created itself.
MightyMusicLion 2 years ago
Uhh - who says the universe created itself? Please show creation is required before searching for a creator.
askegg 2 years ago
@MightyMusicLion The universe does not present itself as being created at all (but it may be) However, believing that everything needs a creator means the cretor is someone's creation as well.
ctelon 1 year ago
Today's Scientists are struggling to even come up with a solid conclusion to whether there is life on Mars or not! , (that's the planet next 2 us btw.. if you didnt know).. So just imagine The vastness of our universe, it is inevitable that there is life out there.. if you cannot face the reality than you truly have no knowledge of your own existence. Peace. Salam
yougoooe 1 year ago
Poor Pluto.
Obviously 2 years ago
We are just as small as ants in the universe.
irkman123 2 years ago
turn the music down so we can hear the guy talking u moron. dont u watch ur videos b4 u post em.
louhanski 3 years ago
How about you fuck off and make your own videos?
askegg 3 years ago
I'll second that. louhanski is an ungrateful little punk.
The images you selected are very beautiful, even if most of those places would kill us frail beings within seconds ;)
5 Stars I say !
hekesuede 2 years ago
If this universe were designed with humans in mind at all, it was designed to humble us, and tell us we should not behave like we're anything special, and not treat it like it is ours. When you look at the universe from a cosmic perspective, Earth is just a small haven in Hell, a tiny sanctuary in an eternal storm. We are like an ant colony taking refuge inside of a seed during a monsoon that will never end.
technologysucks 3 years ago
I think if you got into the scale of time, and got into zoology, there's enough material for this vid to have a part 2.
The timeline of the cosmos and the earth both show the earth as just next in line; Mankind is just another tale in a never-ending anthology.
Then studying animals; their trials and tribulations, conflicts and struggles for power in the group, food, or a mate, to say it's for us is like saying your city's problems & conflicts revolve around you or are there to serve you
technologysucks 3 years ago
i concur with the last phrase in the summary. but obviously the only thing i will do now is try to enjoy my time here on earth.
RandomCoke 3 years ago
An honest question:
Is this meant to aid in proving God must not exist? If so, it does no such thing. I agree with you 100% that the universe was not made for us, but vice versa. Creationism is trying to force something into reality that just isn't there, but that does not equate to--in your use of reason--that a god cannot be responsible for the universe.
Great soundtrack by the way.
imanoutkast 3 years ago
God doesn't play dice.
He plays Super Mario Kart on the GameCube. Doesn't even know how to master the slide function.
Clausfarre 3 years ago
Anthropocentrism. There's little that shows more ignorance than it.
janeyanna 3 years ago
Good man
stardust005 3 years ago
god is like a child palying with clay.
TuplaP 3 years ago
"god is like a child palying with clay."
Accept that gods simply dont exist.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
why would I? Im not part of a any church. I domt claim to have any specific knowledge about god. "god is like a child palying with clay." is totaly my own opinion and if I want to have an opinion or some kind of god concept of my own, then whats it to you? Telling people to "Accept that gods simply dont exist." is as stupid thing to do as telling them to accept that god doe exist...
TuplaP 3 years ago
"Telling people to "Accept that gods simply dont exist." is as stupid thing to do as telling them to accept that god doe exist..."
Wrong. Getting people to accept reality is a good thing. Reality doesn't include Magic Sky Gods.
If you think gods exist, you are going to have to prove it.
In your view, describe what your particular god does.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
hitory has shown that you cant force people out of religion.romans used to slay christians at sight and much good that did!as long as people are willing -and they are, to die for their beliefs, we can´t force them to do so.the direction we should be going at is tolarance between religions and stricter rules on religious conduct.There is nothing wrong about keeping god in your heart.its when god goes in to your mouth when the problems start.
TuplaP 3 years ago
and about my own god consept, well I choose not to talk about things I cant proof or disproof, as should every atheist and theist alike.
TuplaP 3 years ago
"well I choose not to talk about things I cant proof or disproof, as should every atheist and theist alike."
Listen, boy, we can prove that gods dont exist. We can prove that evolution happens.
If you are going to play the "atheism is a religion" bs, dont bother, you will only embarrass yourself.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
"hitory has shown that you cant force people out of religion"
Sure you can, kill them all.
"the direction we should be going at is tolarance between religions and stricter rules on religious conduct."
I agree. We need to enforce the laws in the Constitution, for starters.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
"hitory has shown that you cant force people out of religion"
Sure you can, kill them all.
Yeah, realy mature!
"Listen, boy, we can prove that gods dont exist."
First: Dont you "boy" me! Second: We cant proof or disproof any higher beings.We cant even proof other dimensions or black matter still in science we take these things as thruth untill someone proofs otherwise.If I want to keep a concept of god that I choose not to talk about since its personal it should not be a problem.
TuplaP 3 years ago
and about that reality that you so aggressively want every one to accept, well there is no such thing.Your reality is different than mine.
TuplaP 3 years ago
"First: Dont you "boy" me! "
Sure, kid.
"We cant proof or disproof any higher beings"
Yes we can "proof" them, kid. Humans made them up, and if you had any level of history education you would realize that.
"it should not be a problem."
Its not, boy, you obviously dont understand the issue. You can be as insane and delusional as you want. The problem comes up when you try to force it on others.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
your tone makes me think you as an elitist aashole so this will be my last post.
"The problem comes up when you try to force it on others."this we agree on.and on reality, that depends on viewer.you cant say that a theist who break in tears in church hasn´t had a experience from god ´cause hes reality is just different.and if you had any ability to abstract thinking on top of that your wonderfull education that you seem to know I dont have you would realize that.
TuplaP 3 years ago
people like you is why I dont like to be labelled a atheist.all I said was that my opinion of god was that she is like a child and in a instant there was you on your high horse waweing your "reality" card on my face accusing me for being delude undermining my intelligence and making claims on the level of my education.people like you are worse than any fundamentalist theist and a much locked in the box you cant seem get out from.
TuplaP 3 years ago
"people like you is why I dont like to be labelled a atheist. all I said was that my opinion of god was that she is like a child"
THEN YOU ARN'T AN ATHEIST, idiot.
Look up what an "Atheist" is, kid.
The Atheist says: "I dont believe in a god".
You CLEARLY do, kid.
"accusing me for being delude undermining my intelligence and making claims on the level of my education"
Because you clearly fit all of those categories.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
"people like you are worse than any fundamentalist theist and a much locked in the box you cant seem get out from."
That is your opinion, and coming from a liar, it wont hold much weight.
As you are clearly ignorant and a fool, you probably dont have the first clue in dealing with reality.
This is why you fail, kid.
Educate yourself into what you REALLY believe and dont be ashamed of yourself. Right now, you are an embarrassment.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
"you cant say that a theist who break in tears in church hasn´t had a experience from god"
Yes I can, boy. Their god, your god, and every other god who ever has or ever will exist has only EVER been a fabrication constructed for clear reasons, thousands of years ago.
"cause hes reality is just different"
You couldn't sound more ignorant than you do right now.
You argument is a logical fallacy: God of the Gaps.
You fail.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
you know what you are an asshole and a bully.you know nothing about me and you go around like you have it all figure out.read descartes for starters.you are as fundamental as any christian or a muslim alike.i never said i belive in god yet you seem to know i do.there is a difference in believing something as true and just understanding the concept of what people believe that is.
TuplaP 3 years ago
"you know nothing about me "
Wrong. You are NOT an Atheist.
"you go around like you have it all figure out"
Not at all, you just try to make it like you know what you are talking about.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
"i never said i belive in god"
You JUST got done saying: "all I said was that my opinion of god was that she is like a child"
You obviously believe a god exists because you call it a 'she' while also labeling it a child.
It doesn't get much more blatant than that, kid.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
"there is a difference in believing something as true and just understanding the concept of what people believe that is."
Yes, and you clearly dont.
Religion is a mechanism people have used for over ten thousand years to replace and remove their fear of the unknown.
Religion is a security blanket for the weak. Some kinds of people need to have such things, others dont.
You are a fool, TuplaP.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
I called a god she cause I believe we have no way of knowing if there is a god and if there is what it is.I call god a she to annoy some christians that are so easily offended.you can walk a way from this conversation as a winner, I dont care any more.I may be a fool but I dont pick fights with people just to proof that Im some how better.I still stand behind the fact that you are as fundamental as any christian or a muslim.
TuplaP 3 years ago
I believe in coexisting.every idea should be tolerated.freedom is the right to believe whatever you want,anarchy is the right to do whatever you want,and I believe in freedom with strict laws of conduct.the way you are going about it,calling people fools and failures will never lead to anywhere.you win!now take your sence of righteousness, parade it round for a while,then come back and pick fight with someone else.
TuplaP 3 years ago
"every idea should be tolerated"
What, you mean respected and allowed? No. Why should 9/11 be tolerated? Why should deluded people taking control of countries be tolerated?
You dont even understand the situation, kid.
Grow up and realize where you are in the world. When you do, maybe you'll actually understand something for once.
Pathetic.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
"I may be a fool but I dont pick fights with people just to proof that Im some how better"
Neither do I. You called yourself an Atheist and then you said you believed in a god. You are obviously a fool.
The proper use of that words in this context is PROVE; "...just to PROVE..."
"I still stand behind the fact that you are as fundamental as any christian or a muslim."
Feel free to continue to embarrass yourself at every turn, kid.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
yup, you win.
TuplaP 3 years ago
oh yeah, and god bless=)
TuplaP 3 years ago
"oh yeah, and god bless=)"
See? You arn't an Atheist.
Gods dont exist, and yes, we can PROVE that.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
"You called yourself an Atheist and then you said you believed in a god."
no I said:"people like you is why I dont like to be labelled a atheist"
"Why should 9/11 be tolerated? Why should deluded people taking control of countries be tolerated?"I said:Religious IDEAs should be tolerated.9/11 was no idea it was action and I never said thet religious action should be tolerated.Now I know you´re coming back to cll me a fool so dont.if you dont have anything but insults the dont bother answering
TuplaP 3 years ago
Its true im no atheist but neither am I theist.This isnt us or them kind of situation since both parties are full of stupid people.lennon said that god´s a concept by which we measure our pain.I stand by that.god is a concept and a good one to have.
TuplaP 3 years ago
"god is a concept and a good one to have."
You still dont get it do you? When you say "god" you are being very specific. So, which god is it that you believe in. What does it do? Did it create anything? What is its influence on the world?
In short-which god are you talking about?
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
"I said:Religious IDEAs should be tolerated.9/11 was no idea it was action"
Guess what, kid? Actions happen because of ideas. Religious actions happen because of religious ideas.
Guess what the people responsible for 9/11 did? A religious action based on a religious IDEA.
You are such a complete failure, TuplaP.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
"You are such a complete failure, TuplaP."what did I say about the name calling?I realy would like us to get to a conclusion but if this is your attitude I dont see how its possible."When you say "god" you are being very specific"if Id say the christian trinity or allah,khrisna or thor the I would be specific.you should greek orthodox theology to get the full idea but over simplified it goes like this gods can be felt but not with our sences.
TuplaP 3 years ago
its more like meditation ritual than anything else.now I realy dont want to fight with you.you seem(by your profile)relatively wise individual(bit fundamental but still)and Id like us to get to a point were if not agree atleast understand each other.But if you are continuing this just to insult then lets stop it here.
"Guess what, kid? Actions happen because of ideas. Religious actions happen because of religious ideas."this is like saying people dont kill people guns kill people.
TuplaP 3 years ago
"and Id like us to get to a point were if not agree atleast understand each other"
How can you even ask that when you started off with a lie about being an Atheist?
You are deceitful.
"this is like saying people dont kill people guns kill people."
Dont be an idiot. Ideas back everything people do, and if they use their religious views to do something, even to murder, you say it should be tolerated?
Pathetic.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
Gods dont exist. They were created, like I said before, to answer gaps in knowledge ten thousand some years ago. All current religious are based on the older and simpler concepts of the same thing.
God of the Gaps fallacy.
You say a god exists, TuplaP. What does it do? Did it create the human race? Did it create the world? If so, when?
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
were did i say that i was an atheist?
TuplaP 3 years ago
"were did i say that i was an atheist?"
Dont try to play dumb. Click on the "View all comments" on the bottom and search for the word.
"people like you is why I dont like to be labelled a atheist."
Dont lie to my face, boy.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
"people like you is why I dont like to be labelled a atheist."
How and when would you ever be labeled as an "atheist" when you clearly believe in a god?
Dont be so foolish, child.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
you are malicious.christians i´ve talked with has labelled me and atheist and you´re the reason I dont want to be associated with atheist that is all this sentece indicates.you´re hearin(or reading)what you want to hear(or read).
TuplaP 3 years ago
yet we cant take away the right to own a gun but we can have laws where when and why those guns are being used.same way we cant take away religious idea but we can keep it out from classrooms.
TuplaP 3 years ago
"same way we cant take away religious idea but we can keep it out from classrooms."
I'm not after removing or destroying religion from the world. Everyone has the right to do whatever they want, but they do NOT have the right to force it on others.
Religion should be a hobby, not a focus.
Stop beating around the bush, TuplaP, what does your god do? If it exists, it must have done something to draw your attention. Explain it.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
"I'm not after removing or destroying religion from the world. Everyone has the right to do whatever they want, but they do NOT have the right to force it on others."we are on the same level here,so why are you so angry?why you keep attacking me?´cause you misunderstood that I was claiming to be an atheist.my god doesnt exist.my god never created anything.you could compare esthetics.a concept.go and look it up from the dictinary.
TuplaP 3 years ago
"my god doesnt exist.my god never created anything.you could compare esthetics.a concept.go and look it up from the dictinary."
I suggest you look up what aesthetics actually means.
It has nothing to do with a god of any kind.
You had better find out what you really believe in and then learn how to actually express that. You are butchering this debate because you dont even know how to do that much.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
what debate, your not intrested in debate your intrested insults.like i said before but I doubt you even read what i post.I said:"people like you is why I dont like to be labelled a atheist." and explained after you took it twisted it and throwed it back at my face that:christians i´ve talked with has labelled me and atheist and you´re the reason I dont want to be associated with atheist that is all this sentece indicates!
TuplaP 3 years ago
"you´re the reason I dont want to be associated with atheist that is all this sentece indicates!"
The only way you would be called an "atheist" is if you didn't believe in a god. You clearly do.
You are simply too confused to even hold a serious thought.
"from the bottom of my heart:Fuck You!"
Yes, I know you dont have an argument. Your ignorance is amazing and you dont even understand what you think you believe.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
"yet we cant take away the right to own a gun "
YES we most certainly CAN take away that right if it is abused.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
same way we can stop tolerating ides when they are abused and not a minute earlier
TuplaP 3 years ago
"same way we can stop tolerating ides when they are abused and not a minute earlier"
In that case, we should have stopped tolerating religion thousands of years ago.
You really are a failure, do you realize that TuplaP?
STOP avoiding my questions and ANSWER them for a change. You are the one claiming that you want some kind of understanding. STOP avoiding me and ANSWER the questions!
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
what does your god do:how the hell should i know
Did it create the human race?:no we developed thru evolution Did it create the world?:No What else you want me to answer.I explained my god concept so many times now that i just hve to accept that you so locked away in your box that you´ll never understand it.
TuplaP 3 years ago
"what does your god do:how the hell should i know"
HAHAHAHAHHA!!!
You really are a pathetic one.
Way to fail, kid. Way to fail.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
from your posts i see you have read your dwkins so let me put it this way:I doubt that dawkins ever pointed a finger to somebody called them a fool an idiot and a failure and the demanded that he accepts reality.thats why he is a great man and you´re not.
TuplaP 3 years ago
did you get beaten when you were kid or are you just an asshole from birth?maybe you dont have friends so you need to get somekind of self worth online insulting people.what ever the reason I can say this from the bottom of my heart:Fuck You!
TuplaP 3 years ago
I know this was posted 3 months ago, but statements like "This doesn't exist and we can prove it." really bother me.
If you prove something, it does exist. Why?
Simple, no one can 'prove' a negative. You can only show proof for something that DOES exist. You can prove horses exist and dinosaurs did exist. But you can't prove that fairies, unicorns or God don't. No scientist in the world would say they can definitively prove God doesn't exist. They may believe it, they just wouldn't say it.
Honestinwilkesbarre 3 years ago
"Simple, no one can 'prove' a negative"
Not quite. In complex topics like a god, which is based off of a religion and has a recorded history, yes you can prove this god doesn't exist.
You can accomplish this by dismantling the entire religious system, destroying the claims and eliminating any and substance by way of scientific proof.
Not only that, but if you can prove and show how a religion was born and evolved, you can prove it was constructed by humans, like all the others.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
"No scientist in the world would say they can definitively prove God doesn't exist."
Oh, absolutely. But that is where the question begins, not ends. You need archaeologists and linguists, as well. And then you will need the faithful.
If the faithful are continuously and absolutely debunked in every way, that is evidence to the claim.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
We know Zeus doesn't exist. Why? Because man made it up. Gods do not hurl lightening bolts nor cause the sea to swell.
There is no Mt Olympus. Titans never existed.
Are you going to say "Well, you cant prove Mt Olympus or Titans DIDN'T exist."
Seriously?
Religion is myth and legend forged in ignorance several thousand years ago and kept alive by fear and corruption. This goes for Christianity as well.
Gods dont exist, and its been proven.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
Yes, you're right, ALL religions were created by man. And they can be anilized and deconstructed, just as you say.
But God and my faith have very little (read: nothing) to to with any religion. So, all religions out of the equation, and using only my faith, I would like you to prove God doesn't exist.
Nothing bless you.
Honestinwilkesbarre 3 years ago
"But God and my faith have very little (read: nothing) to to with any religion."
Dont be a fool.
Your religion is based on old and dead cultures, IE: the faith of dead civilizations.
Your assertion that faith and gods have nothing to do with religion is an intellectually dishonest way of lying to yourself in the face of undeniable logic.
I am done with you. You are a hypocrite for lying and breaking that Ten Commandment. You are a fraud.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
Please ThatOneQuestion, you've done what those without faith usually do. Rush in with accusations with out knowing the facts.
In what way was I lying? I read over my statements again, and there is nothing there that could cause anyone to think I lied. Although, you seem to have made a number of false assumptions. I'll clear one of them for you, I HAVE NO (spelled just the way it sounds, N O) RELIGION. I have Faith.
Now, where did I lie? (Perhaps you should have asked more than one question?)
Honestinwilkesbarre 3 years ago
"you've done what those without faith usually do"
Dont lie to my face and then insult my intelligence by thinking you can recreate your own definitions to words you find yourself unable to apply without hypocrisy.
Your god and faith IS your religion, fool. You follow a religion by having faith in the god of a specific religion.
Dont you dare lie to me again, child. You are a fraud.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
Religion is a political construct. It was created to control the general population, and to give those who didn't earn it, power.
I follow no organized religion, I am a Christian and I have faith in God and his plan.
I seem to be a liar simply because you want me to be. You haven't shown any proof that I'm not representing myself honestly.
Go be angry somewhere else.
Nothing bless you.
Honestinwilkesbarre 3 years ago
"I follow no organized religion, I am a Christian"
Then you follow the Christian RELIGION, idiot.
"You haven't shown any proof that I'm not representing myself honestly."
I just did.
You are a hypocrite a lair. Why are you trying to say you are a Christian but dont follow the Christian religion?
You Theists have your head so far up your own asses its just sad.
I'm not going to waste any more time with you, child, are you are obviously damaged goods. Have fun lying to yourself.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
Honestinwilkesbarre 3 years ago
"I am a christian. I follow no organized religion,"
You idiot. You call yourself a Christian, therefor you follow the Christian religion.
"I believe in Intelligent Design."
Than you are an even bigger dumbass than before. ID is dead, and its been revealed to be ORGANIZED RELIGION trying to push its ideals into the educational and scientific systems.
Moron.
"If I'm not what you want me to be, sorry. "
Stop lying to yourself, idiot.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
Apparently im stuppid
Honestinwilkesbarre 3 years ago
Imaginefree69 3 years ago
That's one dictionary definition. But in conversing with those who don't have a belief, I prefer using the legal definition, which includes tests. One of which is, is it organized. The Christianity I follow, is not.
Honestinwilkesbarre 3 years ago
Yeah, leave it to the religious to conclude that language no longer means anything.
aswisshe 2 years ago
Where did I intimate language no longer has meaning?
I simply pointed out that by secular legal definition Christianity is neither a religion nor a church.
I can only guess you misinterpreted my reply because English is not your primary language. If it is, I apologize. I don't mean this as an insult.
Honestinwilkesbarre 2 years ago
I grow tired of explaining the obvious.
aswisshe 2 years ago
You've already check on my previous replies and know I've never concluded that language no longer has meaning. Quite the opposite, I expect you to be exact in what you say.
You've also most likely looked into my assertion that Christianity is not a religion or church by legal definition, and discovered that I am correct. If I wasn't, then secularism and atheism would also be religions. I know you wouldn't like that!
You're tired of spinning the facts to fit your ideas. Fine.
Honestinwilkesbarre 2 years ago
You made quite a few false assumptions, there, friend.
I just don't see the need to correct someone who gets so defensive. You're all around.
Either way, doesn't bother me. You can keep asserting that you're correct. Go ahead, brother. You're just not convincing me of anything.
aswisshe 2 years ago
Imaginefree69 3 years ago
everything is part of god that makes god all knowing and powerful
Behekhtiar 3 years ago
"everything is part of god that makes god all knowing and powerful"
Sorry.
You missed the point so far
I didn't even have to duck!
Imaginefree69 3 years ago
If you say.
Honestinwilkesbarre 3 years ago
TuplaP, I accidently marked your comment thumbs down. Sorry
technologysucks 3 years ago
I must have missed this one the first time round, then I followed a link from KingHeathen's channel. I think this could be the best video you've yet made. It's my favourite, anyway. Great music, visuals, and message. The real universe is far more awe-inspiring than any human mythology.
mattshute07 3 years ago 2
Eggcellent job! Eggstremely well put! I'm eggcited to see what the creationist's response will be.
...seriously, very well done...egg.
KingHeathen 3 years ago 3
Thank you KH. Love your work.
askegg 3 years ago
professionally made mate,thumbs up \m/00
REDSTORMCROWN 3 years ago
Very interesting, well made :)
benthelush 3 years ago
Very interesting perspective! I'm a Pluto IS a planet guy...
grumpychuck 3 years ago
Kool video!
cozmikzen 3 years ago
brilliant Skegg, absolutely brilliant!
SnakeyEyesIsGOD 3 years ago
Thank you :)
askegg 3 years ago
I just love astronomy pictures. Such beauty.
mwest1234 3 years ago
Good point does not seem designed at all.
ytben26 3 years ago
Great video as always my friend, 5s all around :)
thequantumflux 3 years ago
Thanks mate :)
askegg 3 years ago
Great Video! Nice to see you back ;-)
Xenos10 3 years ago
I never left :)
askegg 3 years ago
technical its 8 planets after the kicked Pluto out of the club =P
TCmoru 3 years ago
I don't believe those evil scientists :)
askegg 3 years ago
8 planets and 4 named dwarf planets, with a ****-load of as yet unnamed dwarf planets.
stevebritgimp 3 years ago
lol i said the planet thing as a joke >.> wasnt trying to be a smart guy or anything
TCmoru 3 years ago
good work, however the design of us isnt designed as suggested at the close, as you well know. Im looking at how theists may take it
5* tho, good presentation ...
AtheistAtLARGE 3 years ago
Yes, I did think theists might think I am suggesting a designer other than natural selection. Oh well.
askegg 3 years ago
hey no big deal, you can make another video calling them idiots
kinda like when you say oh god, and a theist says SEE YOU BELIEVE IN GOD ...
So then start up a convo about superman vs batman, then say SO YOU BELIEVE BATMAN EXISTS
As the kids say these days, PWND
AtheistAtLARGE 3 years ago 2
There's only 8 "planets" now Andrew :P
Drewdood 3 years ago
I'm old school.
askegg 3 years ago
Is this a plan just incase world destruction happens?
VenomFongX 3 years ago
Nice video, if everyone wanted to work together to think about this stuff more that would be great.
VenomFongX 3 years ago
Great job, wish you would make more vids!
"Is this universe really designed for us, or are we designed for a small fraction of it?"
-Neither, we're like fungus, we grow where we can. Please note the absence of a joking emoticon.
premed2 3 years ago 3
It's scary to think that we may not (or never) be equipped to live outside this planet which kinda puts a hix on Stephen Hawkins' "Ultimate Insurance Policy" theory of intersteller migration to ensure survival of our whole species.
I hope we can somehow find a workable solution to this...even if it is technological in nature...and maybe guided evolution in order to re-form to the forces of nature on other planets?
TheJolly8Baller 3 years ago
I have a pet theory that we will discover the only way for us to survive interstellar space travel is to take the planet with us. I think we are doomed to remain on this rock (at least in this form).
askegg 3 years ago
"take the planet with us" I'd would like to see that. Like tow it out of orbit to a better place?
I think like spacestations could be a solution too. But so far this is the only home we have.
We could probably survie on a station a long while. But try to get 6 billion + people to space. That would probably be a great challenge to itself.
Just think of it, feels pretty unrealistic. Maybe emmigration over very long time.
forthreisch 3 years ago
good video
anzuki 3 years ago
I now saw you have put subtitels in the description.. very nice. ----->
forthreisch 3 years ago
I almost missed the point due the voiceaudio.. But ya text it in the last second. Yes it's a very small piece of land we have to live on. But it's all we got in this form of "life" maybe our energy can manifest it self some other way. Somewhere else.
And if it where designed, havn't we all understood that it wouldn't be a very intelligent design.
Beautiful images btw :) those mountains in about 2.40 min in was incredible. ciao amigo
forthreisch 3 years ago
"I almost missed the point due the voiceaudio."
I was worried that might happen. I dropped the sound track down 6 Db to try and alleviate this issues - perhaps it wasn't enough?
askegg 3 years ago
first view...
vaganteviajante 3 years ago