Islamic Law: Barbaric or Misunderstood? By Hamza Tzortzis

[xzaxx]

the west must never never follow sharia-law. the west has build its freedom since 1850. 200 years work must not be destroyed by islamic law

[DARIANSEAD]

@xzaxx it has bulit the system of slaves, just look at the banking system, you are all slaves to it, usa will never come out of debt you owe 14 trilion dolars and that is going up day by day, and you call that freedom?? it is slavery, under the law of GOD this would not be alowed

[strangestdude]

'I'll ignore the insutls' then 'you're an engineer so you probably won't understand this.

[mrahman1992]

Why censor comments bro?

[theproudONE92]

MASHALLAH may allah subhna wa'tallah bless him, hes very very good!

[lemuriavi]

I just discovered him. Alhamdulillah.

[stp538]

@lemuriavi I'm glad you found him too, maybe you'll stop spreading your false message in Malaysia, believe me you won't succeed. If you disagree with Islam just know that there is no way you can stop it. Either you understand that it is a major religion with billions of followers, and your just one person with lack of insight...or...? I live in harmony with all types of people, if I disagree with someone, I don't go around spreading false lies as in your case.

[TheMuslimahSouljette]

Masha'Allah this was amazing.

Brother Hamza manages to answer && clarify very well. May Allah succeed him in his works. 'Ameen.

Salamu 'Alaikum. I think every Muslim && non-Muslim needs to see this.

[LuqmanNaq]

I'm a muslim convert who was having trouble understanding shariah, this talk helped alot of pieces I've researched come together into a coherent whole. JazakAllah Khair to the uploader and brother Hamza who is a gifted speaker. Alhamdulillah, Allah Hu Akbar.

[muslim2theend]

@LuqmanNaq

Message me if u have any questions [:

[penelopeshadow]

yey, he is coming to talk on my uni tomorrow!

[Britishfever456]

Brother Hamza is very clear and very good speaker, masha Allah

[bobbyjans]

Glad i found this

[howdyadoo]

masha-Allah you did well in the Q and A session.

basil

[RoadtoMecca]

By the way, can I just say I am aware when I say things like "Islamic model", that people may not have exactly the same view of what this is, and it's not for me to say who should be the judge of when a model is correct or not, but if it's going to be practically implemented, I assume we need to have faith in some body to implement it without corruption.

Sorry for all the typing!

[robin4good]

@RoadtoMecca - the juducial system is completely independent from the state, and the qaadi rulings will be according to the Quran and Sunnah - Fiqh will also become progessive, rather than stagnated as its now. We need such an Islamic state - we'll have it soon insha-Allah.

[RoadtoMecca]

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...expect outside intervention to help them put a more genuine Islamic model in place or do they want America, UK and co to just leave them be and they'll sort out putting it in place themselves? What's the view of regimes such as the Taleban? Clearly some have done things which don't seem to fit in with what I understand of the Islamic model, but can it not be seen by some as setting the ground for others to come in and modify to fit the actual Islamic model.

[RoadtoMecca]

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...but I see no reason why they would not want to engage in this debate if they believe themselves to be right.

Sorry for the aimless rant there. The question I'd like asked in the practical sense is, how do those who advocate what they genuinely believe is the proper Islamic model intend to put it into place in the Islamic world (which would be a better place to try it than the UK I would imagine) without corruption from "the west" or "locals"? Would they expect help from...

[RoadtoMecca]

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...such as obvious geopolitical and cultural confounders that I'm surprised very educated people come out with it. I assume these people research more than I do, but are their sources biased or perhaps I am too lenient in my view on problems that some associate with Islam (I obviously would say that isn't the case). It makes me aware of the need for talks like this for friends like mine to ask their questions. I'm not going to claim they will definitely have their views changed...

[RoadtoMecca]

Definitely agree on the main point being on certain governments and bodies recognising different systems to the ones that we employ can not only work well but better (especially if you think the "society through liberalism has failed us" as is presented).

I think paternity leave is actually being fought for but yes, I see your point that any model needs to recognise differences between people (sex, race, etc...).

If we truly believe in the UK that research should be the basis for our...

[muslimahtoday7]

It is true that it depends on what outcome we judge a society by. I however think that Islamic Law is constantly maligned and shown to be against human rights and equality. Therefore, I believe the important point this talk highlights is that the Middle East should have the right to determine her own political destiny something she wants to do but cant because of tyrant leaders and because others keep thinking she needs rescuing and therefore constantly invaded.

[muslimahtoday7]

I dont think we will have different definitions of oppression we have different contexts and we need to respect that. For example equality between a Muslim man and a Muslim woman is not based on the equal access to wealth for example, or dress. Even the liberal model recognizes this idea because do we have men campaigning for maternity leave. No. Does this now not make a man and a woman equal? Islam caters for the man as a male being and a woman as a female being.

[RoadtoMecca]

Does the human nature mean that this perception of oppression will always lead to clashes against whatever rule of law is in place, so Islamic law may be in place for a while, then a more liberal approach, then a communist approach etc... with phases of systems over many years?

Just showed this to a few friends and they were impressed, but they wonder when suggesting liberals question the mind as a source, does that mean one should question God as a source in critical analysis?

[RoadtoMecca]

Clearly in this age of "security fears", so-called liberal societies are 'compromising rights to protect other rights and society at large' and harsher criminal punishments and larger scale redistribution of resources are obvious examples of this put forward in the Islamic model.

In the point on any "ism" protecting itself, and this is inevitably termed as oppression by some.

I am still interested to know how functional a criminal system and society can be when "100% certainty" is needed.

[RoadtoMecca]

I do agree individualism's definition is not always clear, and no doubt the historical references used here would suggest the Islamic world had a great burst of it "back in the day" (good old nostalgia!).

It's a fascinating debate over how the individual and society's rights and benefits can clash, which should take precedent, and I'm sure many viewpoints would argue they have the best outcome for society, but even then it depends on what outcomes we judge a society by.

[muslimahtoday7]

In response to the comment on individualism:

I believe that we must first define individualism if we wish to build an argument on it.

There's a difference between an individualism that believes the interests of the individual should take precedence over the interests of the state/society, and an individualism that gives birth to creativity and individual talents.

[RoadtoMecca]

A very impressive and enjoyable talk. I believe the speaker underestimates how "individualism" as he likes to call it benefits society as a whole in terms of freedom for creativity, change and allows for people to choose a cohesive morality for themselves rather than enforced.

[RoadtoMecca]

Just to clarify, when we hear hadiths of how punishment is not inflicted if an excuse is presented due to the fear of incorrect punishment superceding the fear of non-punishment of the criminal, does this mean no criminal will ever be punished unless they confess? If not, then I assume Islam says the validity of the excuse must be examined and in this matter, we have doubt as with any legal case and the problems of punishing the innocent still arise.

[penkallli]

Very good Jazakallah Hayr