I S09E10 XL 2/3

[nikobrown1990]

i always thought (correctly as i have just looked it up) that the "stem of Jesse" referred to Mary as well as Joseph (i.e. both Mary and Joseph descended from King David - which is mathematically certain anyway, in the same way that ALL modern Europeans are descended from the Emperor Charlemagne, as was covered in a previous episode of QI.). The way i always understood it was that Luke made an error in his writing and the census he is referring to is the Tax Census of Quirinius (27BC-14AD)

[PollyJuice]

What rhymes with ginger and means gay? *confused*

[woodyelf1]

I'm sorry but this is bullshit. It was only somewhere in the 3rd or 4th century AD that the law changed and people didn't have to return to their birthplaces for the census. There are documents and inscriptions that depict this

[Dan7Bow]

@woodyelf1 Source! It's quite interesting.

[woodyelf1]

@Dan7Bow Sorry man I would have added them the first time round. I'm a history major so I should them but I didn't really give a shit at that time.

[KurtAmbrose051]

@woodyelf1 Seems legit

[xoShadyJayxo]

I'd probably read the Bible if it had more of Jesus scaring off dragons.

[donkwich]

They're mentioning a lot of stuff they've mentioned in previous episodes.

[MrMasterUploader]

Stephen saying the word 'thousand' has been edited in at 2:37. I wonder what was said originally!

[kittyprydekissme]

Luke was not the most determined to fit in all the prophesies. Matthew was the one. However, Matthew used the more sensible idea of having Joseph and Mary reside in Bethlehem at the time of Jesus's birth, but then move to Nazareth a few years later  (after a stay in Egypt, which was presumably written to provide a parallel with Moses).

[TWToxicity]

I like Stephen's suit!

[PollyJuice]

That manager guy at the end of this clip didn't have a girlfriend.

[Myzelfa]

Why can't Jedi be considered a religion?

[grahamkeithtodd]

@Myzelfa you make a very good point,back in the UK at the time of the last census their was this story going around that if you put down under religion "JEDI" then the next one would have to inculde that on the census form...the result? the "JEDI's" in the uk now out number the buddists..(but the killjoys at the sensus office have put the kybosh on any such thing happening...the sods!)

[Myzelfa]

@grahamkeithtodd As far as I know the same phenomenon happened in the US, although the percentage probably was lower given our religious demographic. But according to the Wikipedia page on "Jedi census phenomenon", no country has accepted Jedi as an official religion. I don't see why Scientologists can be treated seriously but Jedis can't.

[PollyJuice]

@Myzelfa

Especially since the Jedis make more sense than the Scientologists...

[khaninator]

Dara gets even for the triple point of water thing.

[sidewinderAUT]

I'm pretty sure I've heard the thing about ben hur and billy the kid in an earlier series.

[PollyJuice]

@sidewinderAUT

You most likely did. It was in an earlier episode, and Alan was angry about it, because he couldn't see why a guy out in the Wild West would write about ancient Rome.

[thefinalflower]

This show makes it so hard to be a hardcore Christian...

[patricksname]

@thefinalflower No, it is not being a dolt that does that.

[omegavalerius]

Father Christmas has raindeers. No raindeers on the north pole, plenty in Lapland. The polar ice caps will melt every summer in some 20 years. Will he be living in a submarine then? Face it, Lapland is the obviously right place for Santa and besides the Finnish Santa dates back to a shamanistic fertility ritual where a person takes the aspect of a goat. Hence the name for Santa in Finnish "joulupukki" or literally "christmas goat". It has nothing to do with St. Nick you silly foreigners! :D

[ciaochowbella]

This seems like an appropriate place to showcase a tribute to our darling Sir Fry.

/watch?v=7n_hkeYGcT0

[PhantomObserver]

Another definition of "unpredictable": Dara O'Brien gaining and losing QI points. No one knows when.

[Gubbywubby]

Love Dara, love Alan, love Stephen, love Sandi, Al's fine. Excellent panel.

[ConradMcBad]

Al Murray. Awesome inclusion.

[warbot50]

Haha ghosts from series past ... First there was Stephen repeating the Billy the Kid death warrant story (from Series 2 I think) and then Dara's points refund. Makes you appreciate just how long-lived this show is (and will be!)

[marcsilcockfan1989]

@warbot50 And Stephen and Alan forgot that they had a bit of a barny about the American who wrote Ben Hur ..... Search for "QI ben hur" in youtube. lol

[warbot50]

@marcsilcockfan1989 Stephen: "F***ing Shakespeare, writing about **** Romans!"

Alan: "The phrase 'what are you really angry about' comes to mind..."

I remember it well :)

[eminemforlifenoshit]

9:00+ doesn't mean actually dragons but reptilians.

[elrynx2]

The religious implications of this 14-minute clip are astounding.

Christianity is a load of bollocks.

[thegummybearmonster]

@elrynx2 By "all the world" Luke is referring to "all the land", meaning the whole land of Palestine. At the time and beforehand the words "world" and "whole world" were not unfrequently used in this limited sense as confined to a single country. Such censuses were taken every fourteen years; and from 20 A.D. to 270 A.D., we possess actual documents from every census taken. In taking a Jewish census, families were kept distinct: all went to the "place" where their family had resided.

[elrynx2]

@thegummybearmonster

And...

[thegummybearmonster]

@elrynx2

And.... so you can see that what Luke says is in fact totally valid, and thus what you claim as "a load of bollocks" is actually based in truth. You can't trust everything you see on QI. We all know that they often change their stance/opinion on things as new data is discovered - demonstrated in this episode by Dara and the fish tongue...

[elrynx2]

@thegummybearmonster That was post-facto research done by the QI team on a comment which Dara made. The information we're talking about was part of the show's standard presentation, which in my eyes gives it tremendous credibility. Besides, what you're saying doesn't address the incongruity of Jesus' not being born from the correct "stem".

[elrynx2]

@thegummybearmonster The biology of that event is impossible. Let Hitchens talk more about what QI is in this clip, here...

/watch?v=vMo5R5pLPBE

[KremlinH]

@thegummybearmonster You don't deserve to watch QI, leave now.

[thegummybearmonster]

@KremlinH Wow, don't you think you're a little closed and narrow minded? Knowledge is only gained when you look at different sides of evidence. I'm just giving another side. "Logically" that's how Jesus would have been conceived. It sounds crazy but it was a supernatural event... :)

[sidewinderAUT]

@thegummybearmonster Umm, what evidence are we talking about?

[Protean213]

@thegummybearmonster What a mental pretzel you have to twist yourself into too keep up the faith argument...

[thegummybearmonster]

@Protean213 I wouldn't say it was anymore of a complicated concept than other things. I mean the concept of evolution or even how genetics work are all quite complicated when you look at them closely. When you look at Christianity you have to go deep if you want to understand God. Not all of the conclusions make perfect sense to us - like Mary being a virgin and having a baby, but that's what faith is, the belief in something or Someone who can do the impossible :)

[Protean213]

@thegummybearmonster If all people had accepted your viewpoint early on, nothing would have been imagined or discovered. All for a belief that got "does the impossible". Whats so wrong with saying "I dont know" when you dont know something, instead of putting a god in place of that.

[thegummybearmonster]

@Protean213 I think you'll find that Isaac Newton, Rene Descartes, Johannes Kepler, Galileo, Gregor Mendel, Robert Boyle, Michael Faraday, Max Plank, and Albert Einstein (to name a few), ALL believed in God. So I think you're pretty deluded if you think that because someone believes in God it stops them thinking or discovering. I never said that I didn't know, I said that not everything makes perfect sense to us.

[Protean213]

@thegummybearmonster Of course, now, imagine what they could have accomplished if they didnt have God filling the gaps in their knowledge and/or been persecuted throughout their lives by the church/religious. (Recheck your facts on Einstein)

[liana2288]

@thegummybearmonster And QI is dedicated to logic and facts. Facts can be proven, by experimentation, documentation, equations. Evolution and genetics, while seemingly complicated, are provable and testable down to their very atoms. If faith is belief in the impossible being possible, or Jesus's birth was supernatural, those things by definition are not the same as facts. They inhabit separate spheres (more apples and mushrooms than apples and oranges); don't conflate them.

[mhutton5]

Wait, what is the rhyming slang for charioteer? Something queer.

[TheBrontolith]

@mhutton5 Alan says: "Well, you know, a queer."

[MrLazyEyes]

Euck, cod tounges.

[susanappe]

fabulous fabulous fabulous.