Well said. I have absolutely nothing against women who are proud of their bodies and sexuality and sexual desire, but I find it beyond irritating when girls try to tell me that they're empowered because they, as you put it, agree to be talked into "flashing tits and ass" by male and female chauvinists, or think that those women who don't act this way aren't empowered. Your video was very concise, that was a great first video! :)
Listen. This is about the misogynist patraichy oppressing usl. This is not about short skirts, burqas or our sexuality. The patriarchy tries to use these things to justify harm against us. We shouldn't give in by refusing to wear those things for their sake or just to spite them. As I always have said, just as a woman's clothes has nothing to do with her getting raped, her choice of industry has nothing to do with the misogynist patriarchy. As you can see, the worst of the misogynist
@TheDerbygrl oh by the way, the way you first approached me, calling me an "ugly cunt that could not skate" proves my whole point about your league, the women who ran it and derby itself.
is in places like Egypt where womyn are covered head to toe in burqas and yet the sexual harassment is so bad that they had to institute a law which punishes sexual harassers with up to 1 year in prison max for wolf whistling. We need to stop beating up on and blaming our bodies for their behavior. It's that kind of unjustified guilt that justifies the rape mentality. We need to stop dividing ourselves with these sides, stop fighting ourselves and start fighting the real enemy: the patriarchy!
@HappyHookerTV yeah I agree. I don't care what women want to wear or not. I just had a problem with these women trying to dictate what I wore. Their reasoning is that we'd get more men in the stands the less we wore. I'm not into that kind of thing. I was there to skate, not become masturbation fodder for some idiot.
@shEvoDEevolution Now see that's just fucked up. I alsi want to say that you have that chauvinist fuck, bobchaos23, harassing you all. I had to run him off too. He even did a video on me! Lol. Anyways, that shit is fucked up. To me, when I wear cute shit, it is to make ME, Raven, feel good. Not for any man! That is why I get offended with the sexist male entitlement of sex harassment. Also, my job is a job. It is not who I am as a person. It is wrong for them to do that.
@shEvoDEevolution the whole point of feminism is to get away from trying to fit into a man's model of what he thinks a womyn should be, not enforce. What they did justifies sex harassment by saying that females who dress like that DO IT FOR MEN and not for ourselves and that is fucked up.
@brikel lol. excuse me who the fuck are you to tell me that *my* experience is a lie?
go troll elsewhere sweetheart, this aint derby and you don't have a fucking say over what I do. All I can think of is that your are a stupid ugly cunt who is trying to suppress free speech. Fuck off.
Yes, all 10 of us on here Sheev. :) I think that outside of the YouTube community there are waaay more feminists who are critical of the sex industry.
That is COMPLETELY fucked up. That pisses me off to no end. They call it freedom of choice but than FORCE a woman into complying with their skirt-wearing kowtowing to dick ideology. FUNK DAT. Oh and I HATE suicide girls, there is nothing alternative about it. A few peircings and tattoos don't make it any different. It's all the same "come fuck me boys" cliche.
@cannibalcountry Your reason is the same reason why I criticize the maker of this video. Yes some one trying to force women or anyone for that matter to conform to a persona is wrong.But so is preventing someone for wearing that type of cloth or to take on that persona. What if a women wants to do the suicide girl style, sure you might not want to be with people like that but what right do you have to say they can't or refuse to accept it as another form of expression?
@whydid666 Oh you criticize me for talking about how a group of women was trying to force me to do something I wasn't comfortable with? I said it was fine for them to wear what they wanted but I was not going to conform to their standard.
@cannibalcountry Well said. Suicide girls is a commodity like every other pornographic business. I was once in a relationship with a man who tried to tell me that I should like Suicide Girls because they had "more weight on them than other girls in porn" and that they were "cool and punky", I am so very glad I am not with that man anymore. Just the same old same old being forced upon us.
This is still one of my favorite videos. It's so great at illustrating how fake the "freedom of choice" can be. You don't have any more "choice" in a society that encourages sexy clothing than a society that discourages it.
It clear its your own personal issues of why you left this particular roller derby group. and even your language towards lesbians and since when did you speak for everyone in the roller derby team
@minnieclips if by " your own personal issues" you mean I'm not going to be FORCED to wear something I'm not comfortable with and I'm not going to *CONFORM* to a few big mouthed bossy bullies that had everyone cow towing to them. "Even your language towards lesbians" um...lol. The lesbian player told me she did not want to wear what the few bully girls wanted. But in typical high school bully fashion they threatened to kick anyone out who didn't comply with their wishes.
Women and men can be bullies that's one small reason the Bay City Bombers have a paid management team and pay their players and offer free banked track training
great response. they are bullies, definitely. the problem is tho, that when the bullies outnumber the bullied, it aint bullying any more, its the done thing.. its cool to shit on the smelly kid in class.
@oojamaflipper I've already received a PM from someone who I subscribed to (it was part of one of those massive subscription lists) who basically said 'we are on different sides of the feminist debate' and I was like debate on what? if you mean everyone should be equal then yeah i guess we are. but it had to do with prostitution which I haven't even stated my position on. Guilt by association is so 'in' right now. The smelly kids are usually more interesting anyway.
@NubianTribesman thank you! I've watched a couple of your vids so far on racism and feminism and I'm really enjoying them. Let's hear it for equality for everyone!
@SaelPalani I saw Divinity's call out vids and it just triggered me. I hate it when people who don't have any real facts or substance to their arguments try to use humiliation and sarcasm to silence someone. Fucking cowardly. And to call yourself "pro sex" um no, they are pro sex-industry and I hate that it implies that everyone who doesn't agree with you is anti-sex nuns or something. UGH!
@shEvoDEevolution Yeah, I get that allllll the time too-"Oh so you don't like porn, what are you, a frigid? Are you afraid of sex, or just ugly? Would you say masturbation and sexual desire are both wrong?" Pornography is not sex, it is not realistic, it is not healthy or natural, it is not to be encouraged or accepted.
@iremythpurr this reminds me of the Olympics when they had the 'attractive' members of the women's teams posing all sexy. Apparently you can't just be a great athlete, or intelligent, you also have to get your tits and ass out to have worth! Let's not intimidate anyone with your brain ladies! I've never experienced so much agro then from the roller derby ladies. I am going to make some follow up videos about roller derby and the amount of sexist bullshit that goes on in it mainly from women.
if you do believe in the ideal of flaunt what you have then wave them high and proud.
I find it funny, to embody the very thing you say you fight against. Your all pissed that a group of women push there value of using their sexuality, and you call out anyone wo'd push there values onto women...and you call them out by pushing your own values onto women.
If people where no so dangerous and destructive this would funny.
@whydid666 so what exactly are my values? I'd really love for you to fill me in. And for fucks sake learn the difference between your you're their there they're.
I don't know, so far only know the ones you have stated, that women who use their sexuality is wrong, that is some how leads them to being objectified.
And no I will not use the correct version of the-ir/re/'re. Dame the grammar nazi what ever they may hide in.
@whydid666 Not to jump all into this conversation but at what point does she state that dressing scant was wrong? I heard something about confusing flaunting with real power, and not agreeing with the sexualization of the sport, but nothing about right and wrong. Perhaps you can point me in the direction of the actual minutes, because I've watched this twice and can't find what you are talking about anywhere.
@Dedgurlsingblu Jump away, be my guest! :) He can't point out where I said that because I never said that. He's just trying to reframe the debate in terms his tiny mind can understand. " she has a problem of someone trying to force their beliefs on her...she must think dressing sexy is wrong!"
@cannibalcountry "waving your goods" "flaunt what you got" "be proud of what your moma gave you" never heard any of these expressions. Most of these apply to people very proud of these bodies and like to show off. I think the expression is fitting to a women who shows cleavage, just as I think it is fitting to a man wearing a speedo that shows his bulging penis.I simply do not find flesh to be something sacred, your offense to such views "says enough about you. You fucking sexist. Grow a brain."
@whydid666 So if you don't feel like sexually objectifying yourself then you're not proud of your body? I think people who "wave their goods" are the ones who crave attention and flaunting their bodies is the easiest way of getting that attention.
@shEvoDEevolution "I think people who "wave their goods" are the ones who crave attention and flaunting their bodies is the easiest way of getting that attention." and that is correct.
"I said it was fine for them to wear what they wanted but I was not going to conform to their standard."
I don't recall you saying that in your video...*re-watches* and you don't say your fine with there clothing style...not once. You say they "sexually objectify themselves." Part 1.
You never state that it okay for them to wear what they want just also let me choose my style. Closet thing you say to that is that you joined the separation league that lets you wear what you want, you made it clear all throughout the video that those who followed the "suicide girl" style where sexually objectifying themselves.
that if my problem with your vid, your case is valid but don't become what you say your against.
@whydid666 " we wanted to make it so people COULD WEAR WHAT THEY WANT" The whole point of the video was that these women didn't care about how anyone else thought. Because they liked to wear skirts that barely covered their vaginas we all had to wear those skirts. It's not about me judging them or not, it's about being forced to sexualize yourself when you do not choose to.
@whydid666 OH yeah, you're a real bright one aren't ya? Ever heard of society and raunch culture? Maybe you need to do some research before you open your flap.
Well said. I have absolutely nothing against women who are proud of their bodies and sexuality and sexual desire, but I find it beyond irritating when girls try to tell me that they're empowered because they, as you put it, agree to be talked into "flashing tits and ass" by male and female chauvinists, or think that those women who don't act this way aren't empowered. Your video was very concise, that was a great first video! :)
babyminnow 7 months ago
This type of sexploitation is what we have been warning people about for years. Learn the truth about the REAL Roller Derby!
CanadianRollerDerby 11 months ago
Listen. This is about the misogynist patraichy oppressing usl. This is not about short skirts, burqas or our sexuality. The patriarchy tries to use these things to justify harm against us. We shouldn't give in by refusing to wear those things for their sake or just to spite them. As I always have said, just as a woman's clothes has nothing to do with her getting raped, her choice of industry has nothing to do with the misogynist patriarchy. As you can see, the worst of the misogynist
HappyHookerTV 1 year ago
@TheDerbygrl oh by the way, the way you first approached me, calling me an "ugly cunt that could not skate" proves my whole point about your league, the women who ran it and derby itself.
shEvoDEevolution 1 year ago
is in places like Egypt where womyn are covered head to toe in burqas and yet the sexual harassment is so bad that they had to institute a law which punishes sexual harassers with up to 1 year in prison max for wolf whistling. We need to stop beating up on and blaming our bodies for their behavior. It's that kind of unjustified guilt that justifies the rape mentality. We need to stop dividing ourselves with these sides, stop fighting ourselves and start fighting the real enemy: the patriarchy!
HappyHookerTV 1 year ago
@HappyHookerTV yeah I agree. I don't care what women want to wear or not. I just had a problem with these women trying to dictate what I wore. Their reasoning is that we'd get more men in the stands the less we wore. I'm not into that kind of thing. I was there to skate, not become masturbation fodder for some idiot.
shEvoDEevolution 1 year ago
@shEvoDEevolution Now see that's just fucked up. I alsi want to say that you have that chauvinist fuck, bobchaos23, harassing you all. I had to run him off too. He even did a video on me! Lol. Anyways, that shit is fucked up. To me, when I wear cute shit, it is to make ME, Raven, feel good. Not for any man! That is why I get offended with the sexist male entitlement of sex harassment. Also, my job is a job. It is not who I am as a person. It is wrong for them to do that.
HappyHookerTV 1 year ago
@shEvoDEevolution the whole point of feminism is to get away from trying to fit into a man's model of what he thinks a womyn should be, not enforce. What they did justifies sex harassment by saying that females who dress like that DO IT FOR MEN and not for ourselves and that is fucked up.
HappyHookerTV 1 year ago
@HappyHookerTV that's a good point.
shEvoDEevolution 1 year ago
@shEvoDEevolution Thanks for watching my videos by the way. I have a lot of issues with the so called pro-sex side as well.
HappyHookerTV 1 year ago
everything you have said here is a complete lie, all i can think of is that your an ugly cunt that could not skate
brikel 1 year ago
@brikel lol. excuse me who the fuck are you to tell me that *my* experience is a lie?
go troll elsewhere sweetheart, this aint derby and you don't have a fucking say over what I do. All I can think of is that your are a stupid ugly cunt who is trying to suppress free speech. Fuck off.
shEvoDEevolution 1 year ago
Yes, all 10 of us on here Sheev. :) I think that outside of the YouTube community there are waaay more feminists who are critical of the sex industry.
SaelPalani 1 year ago
That is COMPLETELY fucked up. That pisses me off to no end. They call it freedom of choice but than FORCE a woman into complying with their skirt-wearing kowtowing to dick ideology. FUNK DAT. Oh and I HATE suicide girls, there is nothing alternative about it. A few peircings and tattoos don't make it any different. It's all the same "come fuck me boys" cliche.
cannibalcountry 1 year ago
@cannibalcountry Your reason is the same reason why I criticize the maker of this video. Yes some one trying to force women or anyone for that matter to conform to a persona is wrong.But so is preventing someone for wearing that type of cloth or to take on that persona. What if a women wants to do the suicide girl style, sure you might not want to be with people like that but what right do you have to say they can't or refuse to accept it as another form of expression?
whydid666 1 year ago
@whydid666 Oh you criticize me for talking about how a group of women was trying to force me to do something I wasn't comfortable with? I said it was fine for them to wear what they wanted but I was not going to conform to their standard.
shEvoDEevolution 1 year ago
@cannibalcountry Well said. Suicide girls is a commodity like every other pornographic business. I was once in a relationship with a man who tried to tell me that I should like Suicide Girls because they had "more weight on them than other girls in porn" and that they were "cool and punky", I am so very glad I am not with that man anymore. Just the same old same old being forced upon us.
babyminnow 7 months ago
This is still one of my favorite videos. It's so great at illustrating how fake the "freedom of choice" can be. You don't have any more "choice" in a society that encourages sexy clothing than a society that discourages it.
FistfulofDicks 1 year ago
It clear its your own personal issues of why you left this particular roller derby group. and even your language towards lesbians and since when did you speak for everyone in the roller derby team
minnieclips 1 year ago
@minnieclips if by " your own personal issues" you mean I'm not going to be FORCED to wear something I'm not comfortable with and I'm not going to *CONFORM* to a few big mouthed bossy bullies that had everyone cow towing to them. "Even your language towards lesbians" um...lol. The lesbian player told me she did not want to wear what the few bully girls wanted. But in typical high school bully fashion they threatened to kick anyone out who didn't comply with their wishes.
shEvoDEevolution 1 year ago
Thank you for sharing your experience and speaking up. Sometimes it's hard to speak against what everyone seems to be accepting.
PornHarms 1 year ago
"Hell halth no fury that of a women scorn"
Human nature is very consistent, nature is a cruel mother who brews cruel children.
whydid666 1 year ago
Women and men can be bullies that's one small reason the Bay City Bombers have a paid management team and pay their players and offer free banked track training
jdcinsf 1 year ago
@jdcinsf much respect for the bay city bombers. you've been around for decades and are hard core. Hopefully I'll be able to see a bout sometime!!
shEvoDEevolution 1 year ago
great response. they are bullies, definitely. the problem is tho, that when the bullies outnumber the bullied, it aint bullying any more, its the done thing.. its cool to shit on the smelly kid in class.
faved.
oojamaflipper 1 year ago
@oojamaflipper I've already received a PM from someone who I subscribed to (it was part of one of those massive subscription lists) who basically said 'we are on different sides of the feminist debate' and I was like debate on what? if you mean everyone should be equal then yeah i guess we are. but it had to do with prostitution which I haven't even stated my position on. Guilt by association is so 'in' right now. The smelly kids are usually more interesting anyway.
shEvoDEevolution 1 year ago
@oojamaflipper Its when you LET yourself be bullied, there are bullies. ;-)
panthera50 1 year ago
great video.
if this is your first time out, then we can expect great things from you.
NubianTribesman 1 year ago
@NubianTribesman thank you! I've watched a couple of your vids so far on racism and feminism and I'm really enjoying them. Let's hear it for equality for everyone!
shEvoDEevolution 1 year ago
Thank you. Some of them just cannot dialogue the point and instead make lame call out vids.
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@SaelPalani I saw Divinity's call out vids and it just triggered me. I hate it when people who don't have any real facts or substance to their arguments try to use humiliation and sarcasm to silence someone. Fucking cowardly. And to call yourself "pro sex" um no, they are pro sex-industry and I hate that it implies that everyone who doesn't agree with you is anti-sex nuns or something. UGH!
shEvoDEevolution 1 year ago
@shEvoDEevolution Yeah, I get that allllll the time too-"Oh so you don't like porn, what are you, a frigid? Are you afraid of sex, or just ugly? Would you say masturbation and sexual desire are both wrong?" Pornography is not sex, it is not realistic, it is not healthy or natural, it is not to be encouraged or accepted.
babyminnow 7 months ago
Thanks so much for this, we need more voices.
rememberthediamonds 1 year ago
@rememberthediamonds thanks :)
shEvoDEevolution 1 year ago
Thank you for this response. Women can't even fucking play sports without having it be made into being about making a bunch of dicks hard.
And yes, oftentimes it is OTHER WOMEN doing the gender policing, even sadly in the name of "feminism".
Make mine equality.
iremythpurr 1 year ago
@iremythpurr this reminds me of the Olympics when they had the 'attractive' members of the women's teams posing all sexy. Apparently you can't just be a great athlete, or intelligent, you also have to get your tits and ass out to have worth! Let's not intimidate anyone with your brain ladies! I've never experienced so much agro then from the roller derby ladies. I am going to make some follow up videos about roller derby and the amount of sexist bullshit that goes on in it mainly from women.
shEvoDEevolution 1 year ago
@shEvoDEevolution
why not?
don't feel like waving your goods, then don't.
if you do believe in the ideal of flaunt what you have then wave them high and proud.
I find it funny, to embody the very thing you say you fight against. Your all pissed that a group of women push there value of using their sexuality, and you call out anyone wo'd push there values onto women...and you call them out by pushing your own values onto women.
If people where no so dangerous and destructive this would funny.
whydid666 1 year ago
@whydid666 so what exactly are my values? I'd really love for you to fill me in. And for fucks sake learn the difference between your you're their there they're.
shEvoDEevolution 1 year ago
@shEvoDEevolution
I don't know, so far only know the ones you have stated, that women who use their sexuality is wrong, that is some how leads them to being objectified.
And no I will not use the correct version of the-ir/re/'re. Dame the grammar nazi what ever they may hide in.
whydid666 1 year ago
@whydid666 Not to jump all into this conversation but at what point does she state that dressing scant was wrong? I heard something about confusing flaunting with real power, and not agreeing with the sexualization of the sport, but nothing about right and wrong. Perhaps you can point me in the direction of the actual minutes, because I've watched this twice and can't find what you are talking about anywhere.
Dedgurlsingblu 1 year ago
@Dedgurlsingblu Jump away, be my guest! :) He can't point out where I said that because I never said that. He's just trying to reframe the debate in terms his tiny mind can understand. " she has a problem of someone trying to force their beliefs on her...she must think dressing sexy is wrong!"
shEvoDEevolution 1 year ago
@whydid666 - the fact that you call it "goods" says enough about you. You fucking misogynist. Grow a brain.
cannibalcountry 1 year ago
@cannibalcountry "waving your goods" "flaunt what you got" "be proud of what your moma gave you" never heard any of these expressions. Most of these apply to people very proud of these bodies and like to show off. I think the expression is fitting to a women who shows cleavage, just as I think it is fitting to a man wearing a speedo that shows his bulging penis.I simply do not find flesh to be something sacred, your offense to such views "says enough about you. You fucking sexist. Grow a brain."
whydid666 1 year ago
@whydid666 So if you don't feel like sexually objectifying yourself then you're not proud of your body? I think people who "wave their goods" are the ones who crave attention and flaunting their bodies is the easiest way of getting that attention.
shEvoDEevolution 1 year ago
@shEvoDEevolution "I think people who "wave their goods" are the ones who crave attention and flaunting their bodies is the easiest way of getting that attention." and that is correct.
"I said it was fine for them to wear what they wanted but I was not going to conform to their standard."
I don't recall you saying that in your video...*re-watches* and you don't say your fine with there clothing style...not once. You say they "sexually objectify themselves." Part 1.
whydid666 1 year ago
@shEvoDEevolution
part2
You never state that it okay for them to wear what they want just also let me choose my style. Closet thing you say to that is that you joined the separation league that lets you wear what you want, you made it clear all throughout the video that those who followed the "suicide girl" style where sexually objectifying themselves.
that if my problem with your vid, your case is valid but don't become what you say your against.
whydid666 1 year ago
@whydid666 " we wanted to make it so people COULD WEAR WHAT THEY WANT" The whole point of the video was that these women didn't care about how anyone else thought. Because they liked to wear skirts that barely covered their vaginas we all had to wear those skirts. It's not about me judging them or not, it's about being forced to sexualize yourself when you do not choose to.
shEvoDEevolution 1 year ago 2
These women were FORCING HER, she wasnt forcing them. And were they sexually objectifying themselves? Duh.
summersonset 1 year ago
@summersonset directed at whydid666. Amazing how people can turn around a situation.
summersonset 1 year ago
@whydid666 OH yeah, you're a real bright one aren't ya? Ever heard of society and raunch culture? Maybe you need to do some research before you open your flap.
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@SaelPalani "Ever heard of society and raunch culture" and what is the relevance towards this conversation.
whydid666 1 year ago