Jesus fulfilled all the Prophecies , because the Seed planted, in God's mind, is equal to the Tree grown and bearing it's fruit. If one waits for the physical proof, then there is no place for belief or faith, but it becomes knowledge , when it is knowledge, then there is no more use for a Jew to be different than a Gentile, the knowledge being fully grown as a full grown Tree, needs no Jews, so the Jews ought to be watering the Seed that was planted, because the Seed is the Tree.
No, Yeshua did not and can not fulfill all of the prophecies because no apologist can agree on the same number of prophecies. That and a lot of the so called prophecies are fabricated by the authors of the New Testament and aren't even mentioned in the Old Testament. You'd think they would be smart enough to throw something in the Old Testament if they claim it was a prophecy in the New.
Actually the His Kingdom is Advancing without end even before His Second Coming as it says in Matthew 11:12. How is it that John the Baptist was able to advance the Kingdom, before Christ? Because the Kingdom is already here, when He comes again He will sit on the throne of what the Church will have then taken dominion over the earth and put it under Christ's footstool as the prophecy says.
I am not even talking about a political power, as the Catholic Church believed. As the Gospel of Thomas, inspired or not, said "the kingdom of God spreads out upon the face of the earth." It is true, at least that part is I cannot speak for the rest of it, the Kingdom of God is not subject to political borders. Believe it or not a perfect society is possible, it was never part of God's plan for mankind to have governments, but to be subject to the Kingdom of God.
Genesis 1:12 says God gave the Tree as a Trinity, There is a plant, called a Tree, but notably God calls the Tree, to be with it's Fruit, to be with it's Seed. So each appearance of the whole concept of a Tree is Divine among Three special appearances. The Tree bears the Fruit, that bears the Seed, that planted, grows again as the Tree, and the cycle goes endlessly over and over. Jesus remarked His appearance as Messiah was as a Seed, planted, that over time would become the Tree.
God said to only worship Him and no other gods. You Christians are going to hell for worshipping three gods. Jesus was not/is not god. God makes it clear that He is One and there are no other god besides Him. To worship anything else is called idolatry and God hates idolatry. So you Christians better ask God to forgive you for worshipping Jesus (not a god, but a man who shitted and pissed). If you Christians don't start worshipping the One God, YOU CHRISTIANS ARE GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL!!
@MrCope456 And we also know that the apostles and early Christians were willing to be tortured , humiliated,imprisoned and murdered before renouncing Jesus' resurrection.So if they made it up,why would they agree to suffer when they can end their suffering just by renouncing their faith.
@MrUrosSrb commitment to a belief doesn't prove it, I know of a certain incident where there were men so faithful that they gave their lives willingly to fly planes into buildings... I guess that makes them right by your logic?
@acdelong The problem with your claim is,that the apostles and early Christians knew whether Jesus resurrected or not because they Knew him in person.It was he did resurrect or not.So they did it out of fact not out of blind faith.Why would apostles make up the empty tomb and make a hoax and than suffer for it,when they could have ended their suffering just by denying Jesus.So there you go.
@MrUrosSrb And you know this due to the consistent and contemporaneous eye witness accounts of the apostles? oh, thats right, no, you don't because those don't exist, you're using your bible book instead.
@acdelong U are going to far now...So maybe the apostles never existed,Paul never existed?And Pontius Pilate was probably also invetened by the Bible.Herod is also made up isnt he?Nabuchadenazzar is also a made up bible character isnt he?This is just becoming Childish.
@MrUrosSrb I'm going too far?! look, even the most conservative scholars put the gospel of mark twenty or more years after the alleged death of your alleged jesus. You wanna know what's childish? imaginary friends- they're childish. So there, no contemporaneous accounts. The gospels all conflict on specific points of "jesus'" life, so which one has the real account of his coming out party after death? what was joseph's dad's name? Oh, yeah- why didn't bethlehem exist at the time?
@acdelong Bethlehem didnt exist at the time?Are u that ignorant?I really got to ask.Micah 5:2
King James Version (KJV) 2But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.Book of Micah was written at around 700 BC,and it mentions Bethlehem.So bethlehem did exist my friend...
@MrUrosSrb Yes, A bethlehem existed, but not the settlement referred to in the gospels, there is no evidence of settlement in the area where your super-friend was alleged to be born. Your mistaking a "prophesy" for a "fulfilled prophesy". And once again- it is circular logic to use your stupid book to attempt to provide evidence of your stupid book, quote all the dumbass verses you want, they don't serve as evidence.
@acdelong They do not conflict at all.The Core Truths are the same,the little details can be explained.Ofcourse we cant expect every detail to be same because the Gospels were written By Luke who was a doctor,John who was a fisherman...and so on.They didnt all mention all details,,some say one thing some dont even mention that same event.Not all of the Gospel Writers Were eyewitnesses to every minute of Jesus' life.THey only wrote by the Holy spirit what they have saw.Thats why 4 gospels.
@MrUrosSrb The gospels can't conflict whatsoever because, as you say "Jesus promised that he will send The Holy Spirit to instruct them". So with your logic either the "holy spirit" was a liar or was wrong on significant details that wouldn't conflict if written by a perfect being with ultimate knowledge. And in reality there are many gospels, written that didn't end up in your little rag- not to mention, we don't have autograph copies of a supposedly holy book that would have been preserved.
@acdelong As to when were the Gospels written,it doesnt really matter since Historians Please Gospel of Matthew in a timeline from as early as 40 AD to as late as 140 ad.But it doesnt matter since Jesus promised that he will send The Holy Spirit to instruct them,so You cant possibly say that people who wrote it forgot the details or something when they were inspired by the Holy Spirit of God.
@MrUrosSrb this comment is unsubstantiated and doesn't deserve a response, but hey, I'm on a roll. Prove everything you assert in this comment, with facts independent of your little book. And maybe tell me why the crazy zombie invasion mentioned in Matthew 27:52-53 never appears in anything but your little bible book. I would certainly think that such an event warrants some mention in historical documents. And what was Joseph's daddy's name again? you didn't mention that earlier...
When Jesus died, his followers were in a lot of theological trouble- their Messiah didn't do anything the Messiah was supposed to do. So, they did two things. 1. They said " Well, he's going to come back and do those later." 2. They went through the Jewish scriptures and taylored their story of Jesus to fit in anywhere they could shoehorn him in. Most of the Christian messianic "prophecies" fall on their face when you simply look at their verses in context or they are made-up prophecies.
@MrCope456 Secondary,the disciples didnt tailor the Jewish Scriptures,as history clearly shows that the books of old testament like Isaiah predate Jesus about 700 years.So your argument fails here.Another thing that id like to point out is that Apostles had no profit in making up a story of Jesus Christ,because they knew that that would bring prosecution to them and no material profit,especially in the era of the 1st century Judaism.
I hear this all the time- Jesus fulfilled 300 prophecies. Isn't it a coincidence that ALL the prophecies that he DIDN'T FULFILL are the one that COULD BE OBJECTIVELY PROVEN without relying on biased witnesses? What I mean is the prophecies in which everybody would know about, HE DIDN'T FULFILL ONE. I list three examples although there are over 30. 1. All Jews returning to Israel. 2. Peace in the world. 3. No more suffering. JESUS DIDN'T FULFILL A SINGLE PROPHECY THAT CAN BE PROVEN OBJECTIVELY.
God takes on the same meaning of the Theory of One , and also the Theory of Zero. Those boundaries in Calculus really do not belong to the Material World, but are the untouchable boundaries of Matter. One is collective, exhaustively of all numbers ranged less than the value of One, but when One is attained, the sense of collective, ends with Supremacy of the Unity of One. And then Zero is the absence of any element of the Oneness, If Zero and One can be understood, God also can be
The meaning of "Prime Mover" is that the Universe actually cannot be existing, unless it is moving through an energy field of normal space. We normally do not think of "Space" as any sort of "Stuff" but it is an energy field, faster than Photon Energy. Light cannot move at all, except the Space Continuum, as a Field , not Material, but Ethereal, moves out in expansion faster than light speed by billions of times faster rates of motion. What moves it, is the Prime Mover. God.
The Materialists made the error to postulate the Steady State to be Material in Nature, and not Ethereal. There is proven today the point in which Matter becomes Energy, and that the Corporal Being of the "Self" the flesh and blood stuff, can be converted into purely "Intelligent Information" about the "Self" Which if applied to any other corporal host, should result in a transference of the "Entity" of the Mind into another body. Thus Matter is not the Origins of the Information itself.
God by definition is a Steady State in a Timeless Void of anything we can sense, and thus fits perfectly the Supernatural Realm, which the Materialists have failed to prove "cannot exist" When anything Material, is reduced in heat to the status of not at all moving, it enters the arena of the Eternal Behavior, where no time is passing, because there is no physical rate of change in the "Behavior" of the Matter. So, if the Universe can stop moving absolutely, it returns to the Prime Mover.
I have seen this over and over, while Time does not materially exist, it is a mathematical description of the behavior of the Universe. So the Atheists tend to substitute "Time" for God. That in the end cannot work, since the apparent meaning of Time is a Metaphorical Metaphysical and very Human sense of measure. That the material world changes over time, is not being sensed then by the Matter itself, only the Observers are caring about the meaning of this measure, Time.
People still have a "Flat Earth" idea of Time. You go forward or reverse in Time until you reach the Abyss and fall off the edge, or you hit the wall, and stop. But Time is behaving as circular as is the Universe is Materially moving. So, the only logic is, when you get to a future place, it must pass by closely to a past time portal , in a coiled up universe of space, and then the end of the Future is the Beginning of the Past and that makes it Eternal, circular function .
If two stars were a million miles apart, but the only way to see the light of them is to see through a tubular looping space continuum , such as seeing through an optic fiber cable that is coiled up like a spring. The light has to travel through the coils of space time fields of energy. The light cannot cross over the coils to be seen as close by, taking a short cut, such as a worm hole concept. So the end of the Universe, may be inches away from your own nose, but you cannot see.
Jesus said He was as the Seed of the Promised Tree, that as the Seed is obedient to death , and planted in the ground, the very works, shall then God preside over to a contiguous future outcome, that the Tree when it is planted as a seed, if acceptable to God as God's Will, the Seed is already in the Mind of God the fully grown Tree of Life, with all it's branches and fruits available to people to eat and obtain Eternal Life. Thus Jesus fulfilled all, ALL the prophetic promises as the Seed
Now the Hadron Collider has postulated by testing that a Neutrino can move faster than the speed of light. And in Quantum Mechanics, the element of Time can be taken out entirely of the Equation to show that the appearance of the Particle can appear in more than one place at the same time or disappear from the known reality and enter the Void. We cannot prove our world is not a containment of an entity that is having it's own dream and we are only actors upon the stage. God is the Mind
It isn't just the Christian population that would be cancelled out, but the Muslim population also is built upon all religious history after Jesus, who is also spoken of in the Islamic Koran. Take away Jesus and all that collapses, whether for better or worse, no man can know. But half the world is dependent upon Jesus having lived, and been the pivotal revolutionary change in world history. Without Jesus, all chance events , recalculate and forbid that any of us would be alive today
One of the reasons we suspect that human beings as we are now, did not exist before ten thousand years ago, is the course of geometric population growths we can plot historically , that shows most of the people, who ever lived, lived after the life of Jesus. Seven Billion alive today, but one hundred years ago, it was One Billion People, and one hundred years before that, it was half. More people are alive now, than almost all humanity ever had as a population ,that is astounding.
I know that I would not be alive today, if not for Jesus. My parents , and theirs before for generations, were married in Church and so the timing of conceptions and the rituals of life were rhythmically connected to events framed by design following the impact of Jesus Christ. The chance of the sperm and egg and the timing of events , means most of us would never have been selected to come into the world in any other prior framework of history, if we thought we could eliminate Jesus.
If we took away the Life of Jesus , all human history goes in another pathway, which no man today could predict. How many people alive today , were chosen to be conceived in Marriages and family lines, all built upon a prior historical foundation of Church History. About Three Billion People today are Christian, and before Jesus lived, only about Two Percent of the total number of people who ever lived, lived before Jesus. Thus 98% of World Population is Numbered by Jesus' Life.
God is able to speak in "The Perfect Future Tense" God sees from all directions and thus from the end of time back to the beginning , assuredly knowing all things .So that once Jesus ,as God come in the flesh, had finished His role as the Son of God, saying " It is finished" then for all time and future outcomes,the matter in God's Mind is resolved that "What will be will be" And what that "Will" is to be, has been negotiated and resolved fully when Jesus was obedient to the Cross.
Because all promises and thus all prophecies are fulfilled when God says they are, then the Act of Obedience by the Holy One, the Son of God, towards the deeds required to Atone, once and for all time, for all, except if anyone rejects that Atonement, then the Obedience of Jesus , makes the Causality of all Future Events to have , in God's Mind, seen from the Future back to the Past, and thus not waiting on them, then Jesus fulfilled all things, which cannot be stopped by any powers
@looncraz Jesus said Himself that His Life was as a Seed planted, not the Tree fully grown, regarding every promise, but the Seed of the Tree. In God's eyes, to have the seed planted by the Divine Intervention of God sending His Son, to Intervene in Human History, that is how all the prophecies are fulfilled. Nothing can stop God from continuing the Way, History has been forever altered and what Jesus did to change the outcomes of all History, can never be erased or diminished.
@looncraz what facts do you have to show Jesus is make believe ? Your inability to believe is not a proof. You are told by Science that all the Massive Universe, was squeezed into a tiny dot to cause a Big Bang ? You believe that , do you ??? Did you ever see such a thing as taking all those trillions of stars and reducing them to a flea sized world ? How come you believe that and then say nothing else so novel could ever happen ? Who is being irrational ???
@CarmineFragione What evidence do you have that Jesus is NOT make-believe? There is none. Zero.
The big bang, however, has TONS of supporting evidence. Just like evolution, abiogenesis, the Roman Empire, and - most importantly - the bible's TRUE origins.
Matter is just a different vibrational state of the "fabric" of existence. I authored THE theory which properly brings something from nothing without violating a single law - also **correctly** predicted that light was not the speed limit.
@looncraz So, you, a rational person, believe that all the mass of the Cosmos can be squeezed into a pinpoint origins, so that you are now bigger than the entire Universe once was ? You have never seen any fact of that, you are told this, and you "accept" it, because other people report their findings to you , but you have no personal knowledge of any of this , do you ? And the 430 year gap between Genesis and Exodus, with no other historical fact, where is the history of the Jews ?
An atom is mostly empty "space." Remove the empty spaces of all the atoms, and everything fits into a singularity - provided you slow the vibrational forms (at one point they essentially cease to exist).
Working backwards is the incorrect way to look at existence, one must look forward and explain why there is something rather than nothing - the answer is in the automatic realization of the infinite potential in absence of anything.
Super-fluids, triple points, and failure to reach absolute zero demonstrate the fact that cooling (to the extreme) causes a confusion of the fundamentals of matter. Look up the Bose-Einstein condensate - it is proof.
I have personal knowledge of this phenomenon. I theorized that absolute zero could not be achieved within the universe, you would need to pull a hole in the universe and then you will find the universe actually expands with 'new' energy from outside....
@looncraz Empty Space is a True Void, light cannot enter those places and no normal space energy fields have entered those places, and they can be millions of light years across. The Universe already looks like Swiss Cheese due to Voids. If Light cannot propagate into the Voids, what theory can be about the substance of the Voids, are they some strange matter or why could not the Space Field Inflation enter those places ? All access is denied the Universe to enter there.
There is no gap in the history of the Jews in secular history. The gap only exists in Judea-Christian "history."
We know that Egypt never harbored Jewish slaves, that Jews did NOT number into the millions, that Egypt spent a YEAR conquering the area the Jews later claimed to have conquered, and we know that MOST of the cities didn't even exist during the time period as the Jews claimed as well that Jericho had no walls at the time to be destroyed in the first place...
Jews invented their own history - which was COMMON - to spread stories of grandness abroad so as to scare away potential invaders. It worked against them and they were conquered shortly after their god granted then eternal protection so that "wherever the sole of your foot sets, shall be yours." He failed in short order to protect the Jews...
I determined, personally, that the speed of light could NOT be the cosmic speed limit because light experiences interactions.
@looncraz Obviously Photon Energy propagation is not the fastest moving thing, but rather the Cosmic Space Field itself, out of the Big Bang, spread out billions of light years across instantaneously and continues to expand faster than light. which creates the problem that a star you think is 15 billion light years away, might have been nearby only a few thousand years ago, because the same field of space is continuing to spread everything apart . Distance becomes an illusory thing
@looncraz Also, you have no personal knowledge that the speed of light is truly a constant in other parts of the Universe, because you have never been there, have you ? Where is the history of the Jews for 430 years in Egypt ? Name one source. Not even the Bible has that 430 years of report on what the Jews were doing in Egypt, it is taken on Faith. With you , it is all about whose Ox is being gored , isn't it ???
I do not have the requirement of having been somewhere to know how it is there. For instance, I've never been 31 miles out at see, however, I've been 30 miles out - and I assume 31 miles is not much different than 30 miles - but I can use tools (such as a map / satellite / telescope) to determine that I'm correct).
The Jews were not in Egypt, hence they have no history - though they ARE mentioned ONCE in Egyptian history - a a people DESTROYED by Egypt.
@looncraz Here is your problem, you are materially standing in a localized area of the known Universe, making postulations about the whole Cosmos, without any ability whatsoever to prove a single case. You could not prove that the World was not created five minutes ago in some "Intelligent Design" with all the matters of evidence built into it to persuade you that everything is real. If you had a vivid dream and never woke up, you would begin to accept it as "REALITY" No ???
Intelligent design would possess certain features, otherwise it would not be intelligent. Those features are not present. Universal laws do not change depending on the circumstances, and EVERYTHING exhibits a historical echo.
To suggest that the universe is made just to confuse us into believing something else is plainly stupid. It is also an invalid supposition as one cannot test make a determination. If your god made the universe that way then he's simply a dick.
@looncraz Science has not had the time to determine how steady are the Constants or Fixed Laws , We only assume that thousands of years ago the Nuclear Force and the Weak Force was the same, but no one can empirically prove that, we have to take that on faith that the Cosmos , while speedily expanding keeps the Laws fairly constant, but that is likely all false, The younger Universe would have other Constant Law values that are unimaginable to us today in our conditions.
@looncraz Let me test your mettle ! If you met a person, someone of the opposite sex, And you fell in love, not with the material person before you, but your vision in your mind that led you to a belief you are in love. Then when you marry , you have kids. Now, the kids remain just as real, though what led you to the acts were nothing more than a vision existing only in your mind . Yes or No ? What is Real, only means the very Idea has a Material Impact over time, yes or no ?
Reality MUST be determined through objective, not subjective, criteria. Otherwise, we can determine the truth as brains are very poor at determining the reality of an event. Just because I experience something as real does not make it so.
However, when one performs properly formed, repeatable, peer-reviewed experiments to determine the exact nature of - something - then we know what is real. Unless your ass-hole version of a god was true - but we'll get there in a moment...
@looncraz It has only been three centuries since Galileo, you are biting off more than you can chew. There is no way to prove Light Speed is constant throughout the whole Universe. There is no way to prove that Time is sensed equally everywhere in the Cosmos, in some places , the Beginning of the Universe, may still be the Time of Day. Imagine the shape of the garden hose as the way to travel space, and the hose is coiled up and the furthest star is very close, but in the coils.
@looncraz You say you authored a Theory ? State your Hypothesis and state your Empirical Facts you have brought to this Theory of yours. I am interested . I am reasonable to expect that in the utter madness of a complete distortion, that possibly a portion of the truth is coming through. But there is an Eternity of separation between someone's "approach to Truth" and actual grasp of Truth. Being either Good or Evil one does act and reveal truth of matters, it can't be helped.
If you have a god, you must explain how that god came about. Infinite existence is acceptable so long as you can describe the means by which non-existence was overcome and persists.
It so happens, I have successfully performed this feat in my theory of Automatic Realization of Existence Potential.
From Zero to non-zero with NOTHING interacting to cause it.
An intelligent entity does not come about through that method - any way you shake it.
@looncraz No, it is not necessary to explain God beyond His Being Eternal. The World itself was once thought to be Eternal, called a "Steady State Universe" but the Big Bang proved that Time and Space had a beginning. But it is not reasonable to explain God , if God is forever the same. God is not anything that is Created, nor Destroyed. What ever is then Indelible , Permanent , and having no Limits or Metaphysical limits would be in the Domain of God. It stops there.
@CarmineFragione If you cannot explain why god is eternal, then you have failed from every logical aspect.
Saying "just because" is not an answer at all.
A steady state is forbidden as it does not provide mechanisms for the existence of our universe. A steady state is precisely what has been determined to NOT exist as at the lowest level the universe is anything but stable, and the fabric from which it "emanates" is even less stable. We can test this and have done so.
@looncraz It is not that I have a god, it is that there is a God, if there is that which is not created or destroyed. It is that simple. About one hundred years ago , scientists thought the Material World was itself eternal, having no beginning or end, but alas , that was false. Just because we have a term of Zero or say "Nothing" it does not mean that there is nothing at all there, but it is not anything Material or Powerful. A true Void, may be something else besides material
A god requires organization and awareness. To go from nothing to that is a long road.
One hundred years ago scientists were still trying to prove the bible right, being confounded at every turn as to why there was ZERO supporting evidence... until they finally realized the bible was almost completely fabricated.
In the true nothing - there is AND must be **NOTHING**. Zero, nada, zilch. Otherwise there is something, which means that there isn't nothing... simple...
@looncraz One can forever ask why, until you conclude with a steady state that does not have any ability to change or experience time, then you come to a final answer. But the Steady State is not the Material Universe, but the Steady State is the cause of the Universe. And that cause should have no problem being an intelligence that has as the substance of it, anything not created in the Big Bang. So God needs no further regressions of explanations, it is the final answer.
All god-centric people have to force something into the nothing in order to feed their delusion of an all-powerful creator. This particular version of a god has been completely discredited. There is only ONE entry point for a being existing at the core of everything - but the odds are astronomical: It must be true that matter is conscious.
All matter. This would, however, mean that we are all one being. And we are [a part of] god.
@looncraz Matter does participate in a duality in the Conscious State, but it does not stand alone as Sufficient for the Conscious State. There is a "Cabal" likened to the Doctrine of the Trinity, that God as One, is yet complex inwardly, as the substance of the "Steady State" Eternal Truth. Such as, "Relationships" do not exist by one half the issue. Matter without Energy, Father without Son, Positive without Negative. there are three dimensions invested plus time etc.
@looncraz The Elementalism of this world's Materialism, has to move back into the Oneness of another Status Quo, that which all matter and energy was contained as, before the Divination of Material Reality. That means before the Big Bang, there was the first status quo of what would in the dimension of Time, become Elemental. That brings us back to the Oneness of the Singularity , with a Prime Mover. And that the Substance of "Stuff" was then part of the Uniformity of God's Being
@looncraz You are at fault for saying "Time is a driving force" There is no such thing materially or energy wise as "Time" Rates of Change of the status of Matter and Energy, has been a variable since the Big Bang occurred. Time does not work in infinite sense of Gravity, such as a Black Hole, so Time is cancelled out as a true "Reality" and exposed as a Human Sense of something else that is the matter that is changing. If something never changes, then time is nonexistant
Time is innate to consciousness and processes. They do not occur outside of time as time is the driving force. The very instant anything occurred, time resulted as a dimension of existence. Time affects us differently depending on our relative speeds, evidence against a steady state origin.
God is NOT the final answer as there is no explanation for the existence of this god. Intelligence is a product of organization, you must explain the origin of god's intelligence.
@looncraz There is no need to explain a Prime Mover, God. God becomes a collective Noun that embodies all that is permanent, unchanging, eternal, timeless, without cause. You are simply confused, because you expect Science to be able to explain everything, and by definition, Science is not able to explain everything. The type of Science that with prejudice , rules out God or Supernatural Eternal Truth, is never proven by Science as worthy a belief, but is a priori assumption.
You must explain why there is something rather than nothing. This is simply inescapable.
Not even the infinite cannot exist without a cause/reason. If you say the natural state is existence rather than non-existence, that does NOT solve the problem. You have to answer: why. The reason is simple, we have something merely from the potential in the absence of it. Mathematically, this is very complicated, however we have echoes of this in the real world that have been tested.
if god has a cause. the cause of god is to be godly.
what is the cause of god can be answered by god.
either way you look at it, it's still good.
you can reduce layers of godliness and change his idiosyncrasy, but the foundation remains the same he is god. now you look at what different religions say about god.
chrisitnaity, islam and judaism have their sayings.
@salakunjee You are confuse purpose with causality/origin.
You come from zero, and go to something. A scientist goes from nothing to the most fundamental, simple, constituent component of all existence. A religious person goes immediately to the most complex, all-powerful, all-knowing, intelligent entity.
This is the fundamental issue, god is NOT a simple or elegant answer, it is a non-starter. You can't go from nothing to infinite complexity in a single step, it just doesn't work in any way.
you fail to see god is not a scientific theory. you gave it away there 'a scientist goes from...'. let me tell you something, the very DEFINITION of god is his origin, and in the origin is his purpose. God is simply, to Be and Do. if we accept THAT, then you must see if an entity's purpose and cause are the same, his Cause is to be and Do, and his purpose is to Be and Do. You should realise, he is not a being you can put under a microscope.
their 'backing' of it is through all that we know and don't know. saying god has a cause is not a problem. his cause, is to simply - be god. what is god? the definitions are aplenty. but they essentially say the same thing we believe he does. what he does is why he is there.
Supernatural is just that: make-believe! It is either natural, or it doesn't exist without intelligent intervention (synthetics, cars, etc....).
You can say that there is an eternal realm outside the universe. That is probably true, however to claim that same realm is intelligent is simply unsupportable.
Science rules nothing out except by experiment. A creator-god has been ruled out. A god emanating from the eternal has not been, however - but the odds are slim.
@looncraz Time itself does not exist as a matter or energy "stuff" concept. Time is a rate of change, using a mathematical logic that is entirely abstract , ethereal, esoteric, having no substance to itself, Time is a Verbal description of the Matter at hand. Time is not a force , while Gravity is a Universal Force Field. Time is then as subject to dismissal, as would be God, in Rational Thinking. But time is a problem , because it proves we are Sentient , being aware of Time.
Time is an actor, it exists as a progression of events. It is a dimension on which processes occur, without it - no process can occur. It has a solid mathematical foundation. The rate at which time elapses is relative to your position and speed and the exterior of the universe. Outside the universe we are but a blip - the entire universe is a blip. A barely-stable bubble coming from the collision of "ethereal" energies in a very specific manner - a shock-wave echo.
@looncraz God as the Intelligence Cause of the Material World, can only be expected to be analogous to the Dream State of the Intelligent Mind you have. In the Mental Regression of the Dream State, your outer material being is reduced to purely "Information" And then projected inwardly to the Dream State, where in you have Divine Powers of Separation of Character to see yourself in your own dream, among others in a world, by which if you failed to wake up, you would accept as normal.
@looncraz if you say however, that God's purpose OR cause/origin is to exist/to be. Then so be it. It is like, if we assume mankind's purpose is to do , it still un-answers the idea of his cause right? But with God, he is beyond the parameter of cause because to cause you need 'time' , if there is no 'time' to come-to-be then you don't have cause and something mustve caused you - nothing caused God. And neither did he cause himself. He was simple always there, in a transcendental eternality
@salakunjee Nothing is beyond the requirement of causality.
If you say god exists, then there must be a reason why. God cannot exist simply because he exists. He would need to exist because the default state of existence if an infinite intelligence. It is a small nuance that means EVERYTHING in cosmology/physics/mathematics.
The test is to determine what would come from nothing out of pure and infinite potential. "Logically" you can say, well, god! But not mathematically / scientifically.
Ezekiel 29:10-11 “therefore I am against you and against your streams, and I will make the land of Egypt a ruin and a desolate waste from Migdol to Aswan, as far as the border of Cush. The foot of neither man nor beast will pass through it; no one will live there for forty years.”
FAIL: Never in its long history has Egypt been uninhabited for forty years
Example 3 taste it christians taste it that is me debunking your bible
Isaiah 52:1 “Awake, awake, O Zion, clothe yourself with strength. Put on your garments of splendor, O Jerusalem, the holy city. The uncircumcised and defiled will not enter you again.”
FAIL: There are still uncircumcised people living in Jerusalem even today. Example 2 i have more fails but of course your going to reject them because your not interested in giving it up inlight of my examples this is exactly why i can't stand theism i guess the walking dead do exist there called christians.
Isaiah 17:1 “An oracle concerning Damascus: See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins.”
FAIL: Damascus is still inhabited today with well over a million people and there was never a time where it ceased to be a city. It is widely known as being the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world. "Game over chrisitans" all it takes is just one fail and here is one example enough of this nonsense already put down your bibles already you lost.
To fulfill the Law, does not mean to finish the action of all the deeds the Law bears out in the end of time . It means to plant the seeds or the Beginnings of the Fulfillment. Is a Tree promised , a fulfilled promise when the SEED goes into the ground ? It is if God agrees to water the Seed and save it through every threat in time to assure the day it will be the Tree with branches, buds and blossoms among the leaves. Jesus said He is the Seed that dies and is planted as the fulfillment
The Law Giver, Moses, was a Levite High Priest of Yahweh, not a Judah or Jew. The Jews made a religion out of a Testament Law, or Constitution of an Ancient Nation of Israel , and of the Land , but this Judaism Religion is unauthorized by God, since God did not give the Law to be used as merely a Religion for Proselytes. Jesus is High Priest, a Levite chosen by God as the Son , as God was One in Moses, face to face. Messiah has Divine Authority of the Father to modify the Law for His Rule
Jesus did fulfill all the Prophecies of the Law of Moses and the Prophets, but first it was fulfilled in Himself, seeing He came as the Substitute for all the Sons of Israel. So Israel , from conception to death , by the High Priest as the proper substitute , the Father coming for the Sons of Israel, Jesus lived from "Bet to Taw" the perfect Life , fulfilling the Law. Now the seed of perfection is planted , the Tree is growing all over the world. God needs not wait as men do to say so
The Fulfillment of the Law is in the Atonement, As Jesus made Atonement, all other fulfillment of the Law is automatically finished, It is as a SEED planted in the ground for a tree. Now the seed is now hidden in the ground, but if God accept the Atonement for Sin , then God assures the seed will not perish and in the appointed season shall grow to be the Tree of Israel , and bear fruits all seasons of the year. You cannot wait for the Kingdom , you have to water the SEED !!!
Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
@shieldsff Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world ― on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
@shieldsff Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world ― on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)
@shieldsff Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"
@y2kabilov God never intended the National Constitution and Covenant of Ancient Israel , the historical Nation to today become merely a "Religion of Judaism" There is no Oral Authority of the Law, only the Messiah, the Levite High Priest must perform all aspects of the Law until the Jubilee of the appointed times. The Messiah fulfills the Law, renews it with changes and improvements, or lessens it or ends it, as the Divine Authority of the Levite High Priest ,as Moses was, is One with God.
I wish people would realize some consider ALL CAPS as screaming. It may be easier than properly capitalizing sentences, but it is gentler and it is easier to read.
"Behold, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the LORD, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming," says the LORD of hosts. (Malachi 3:1)
And Jesus entered the temple and cast out all those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the moneychangers and the seats of those who were selling doves. (Matthew 21:12)
there are so many disturbed people on this thread!...internet arguing is so productive...and over internet conspiracy theories and personal things like religion...I heard that Josephus was really Caligula!...hehehe....I am surprised no one brought up the fantasy of the Piso Hypothesis....
@s8ntmark Jesus was supposed to return during the life time of his ORIGINAL followers. See Mark 13:7.8 , Mark 13:30, and Matthew 24:34. Based on Deuteronomy 18:19-22 Jesus was a false prophet not worthy to be believed.
@rdsanchez1966 THIS VERSE BELOW CONTRADICTS THE TORAH AND ISLAM.......IT PROVES THAT GOD IS ONE............BUT GOD HAS A DIVINITY.........JESUS MUST BE THE SON OF GOD WHO IS ONE IN THE FATHER AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.....................I CHALLENGE ANY SCHOLAR WHO SAYS OTHERWISE!!!!!!!!!
The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at My right hand, until I make Thine enemies a footstool for Thy feet." (Psalm 110:1)
@Mrignorance666 #1 The Lord said to my lord. That's about Psalm 110:1, a Psalm of David, who was on the run from kindred and foes. From king Saul and his armies and from the Philistines and Amalekites who both had their reasons to get David dead. Then, after several Psalms he composed pleading God for help,
he had a spirtual repast, when he was inspired to write Psalm 110.
Then he wrote "The Lord said to me, 'Sit at My right hand while I make of your enemies your footstools.'"
out of the feeling that he had his prayers responded and guaranteed by God that he would not be vanquished no matter what.
Like other Psalms of his, this one was one of them to be chosen to be chanted in the Temple by the Levites. To adapt the Psalm to the choir, the Levites would chant it not as David wrote, which would sound awkward for being in the singular.
@Mrignorance666 #3 So, it came out to be: "The Lord said to my lord, sit at My right hand while I make your enemies your footstool." In other words, the Lord (God) said to my lord (David), stand asside and watch while I fight your own battles.
It is interesting to notice that the JPS translation from the Hebrew text capitalizes the first word "Lord" as a reference to God, and the second word "lord" in small head letter as a reference to David.
@Mrignorance666 4The Christian KJV has adulterated the text by capitalizing also the second word "lord" as an attempt to refer it to Jesus as the second person of the Trinity. But it doesn't work, because the text is Jewish, and according to Logic, it must be interepreted in a Jewish manner and not according to another religion.
Therefore, I hope that Christians, from now on, should at least think twice when reading Psalm 110:1, which has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus but with David.
@1010budweiser Thats not the case. Jews have many books outside the Torah that they use. would it be better if all people could read hebrew or latin I guess, but it does not mean the KJV is wrong. there are many hebrew words that don't have english equivalents. thats why the translations get written down wrong sometimes. you can't expect translators to 100% accurate no matter how many people proof read it. but you can be sure it gets corrected over time. thats why we have Scholarly methods.
@tellnet Say what you will about his claim to be God, but to claim that Jesus of Nazareth did not even exist? That's a huge stretch, and a leap of faith beyond what history can support.
Honest History and ALL of the Archaeological evidence points to the FACT that Nazareth did NOT exist at the time attributed to the infamous Jesus's existence - hence, though there may well have been a myriad of Jesi a-jumping and a-leaping about there was n'eer a lamb of 'god' (as for that godfella - well then, there is another myth unworthy of considersation .... )
@tellnet And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the city of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family of David, in order to register, along with Mary, who was engaged to him, and was with child.... And she gave birth to her first-born son; and she wrapped Him in cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn. (Luke 2:4-5, 7)
@tellnet "But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, from the days of eternity." (Micah 5:2)
@tellnet YOUR RIGHT......JESUS DID NOT FULFILL ALL THE PROPHECIES.....-THATS BECAUSE THE ONES THAT WERE NOT FULFILLED ARE ALL THE ONES TO BE FULFILLED IN HIS SECOND COMING.............STOP SPREADING LIES........UNDERSTAND ALL THE PROPHECIES FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SECONDLY THE MESSIAH HAD TO COME BEFORE THE DESTRUCTION OF THE SECOND TEMPLE!!!!!EVERYONE KNOWS THAT!!!!!!........SO IF JESUS ISN'T THE MESSIAH..........THEN WHO IS.........LOL...........!!!!!!
LISTEN.....CAN YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE 100% SURE THAT JESUS IS NOT THE SON OF GOD!!!!!!!.......BECAUSE IF YOU DIE WITHOUT BELIEVING IN HIM....... YOU WILL SEE HIM COMING IN HIS GLORY TO JUDGE THE LIVING AND THE DEAD!!!!!!!!!!.......AND YOU WILL NOT ENTER HEAVEN BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT BELIEVED
But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, and by His scourging we are healed. (Isaiah 53:5)
Rev 1: 4,5,8,11,12,13,17,18, Rev 22:12-20, God say, “I, am Jesus, the A and the Z, the bright morning Star, the Beginning and the Ending, God, the Lord, Jesus, the First to rise from death, to die no more, the All Powerful One who is, Jesus, and was, and Is coming again, the First and the Last, who died, who is now alive forevermore, who has the keys of hell and death, am coming soon”. He's worthy of worship.Rev 1:5 "...Give to Him everlasting Glory and praise, for He rules forever. Amen”.luv u
@rsoto30162 And for centuries this supposed God of Israel did nothing as the Israelites were kicked around like football; from Pharaoh, to Haman, Nebuchadnezzer, Hitler etc. What is it about these Israelities that their 'God' allowed them to be battered so mercilessly, to the point of annihiliation?
Oh my... The reason Jesus did not fulfill any of the real prophesies is because he was not the mesiah. If he heven fulfill some and not all is proof that he ws not mesiah. countless people prior and after jesus where though to be mesiahs. How do we know they where not the mesiah? because like jesus non of the comply nad no one is waiting for any of them to return... It is safe to said that waiting for jesus is ridiculous!
"I don't know what caused this, ergo, it must be God" is the same thinking which ancient people used to explain things like lighting, meteorites, earthquakes, disease...ect.
Well proto-Christianity started out as a doomsday cult.
Jesus was going around saying that judgement day was coming soon, and that "the last of this generation shall not die out, before these things have come to pass".
Well, obviously, that didn't happen; yet the cult still continued.
A guy makes "prophesies" they're prooven false, and yet people still follow him.
The stupidity of humankind never ceases to amaze me.
@TheDarvus no, that's me giving facts that you haven't provided any evidence for your silly theory and it falls on it's own head without any evidence and simply gets thrown out of court. You lose!
@TheDarvus that's easy... you have provided zero evidence to support it. Your theory has refuted itself because there simply isnt any to support anything that you claim. It falls on its own head which is why no historians even consider it. It's dead!
@TheDarvus you clearly have taken Paul's words out of context. No one in the world believes your nonsense. It has been refuted all over youtube. Your theory has been weighed, it has been measured, and it has been found wanting.
the people who wrote the stories which the catholic church later collected and bound together in one book they called the bible (200 years later)
those authors were free to write whatever they wanted, to make it appear jesus had fullfilled all the prophecies. At their time, those stories were not published, they were not peer reviewed, they could write whatever they wanted
and they did, even things NOBODY was there to witness
You ignore the rest of the verse. Isaiah 9:6 "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest (J)on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.]
This fails to take into account that Jesus tore families apart and instigated complete societal collapse. Not very 'peaceful', to say the least.
And then there's social/political context to be considered...
Isaiah 9:6 is about the child of Isaiah 7:14. This prophecy has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus. Biblical scholarship has been saying this for almost 300 years!!
The question here is: "Does the Bible say that Jesus fulfilled all the Old Testament Prophecies?" But the answer is: It doesn't matter what the Bible says on this matter. The real question is: "Is there ANY evidence that anything written about Jesus even happened?" and secondary question: "Even if it there were, would that make him supernatural, or just someone who seemed supernatural, like a million people who came before and after him?" Lee Strobel... what a "skeptic," lol.
doesn't all this pre-suppose that "prophesy" is some sort of foretelling the future? Consider the concept of Midrash - whereby writers interpret present events in light of their sacred scriptures.
How convenient, the ones that haven't happened will happen. Its like an episode of Battle star Galactic, but with out long legged blondes, and a good plot.
Hey mr. strobel is it you again, why are you still trying to define the truth with your corruptible wisdom. Don't you got enough of fooling yourself. Your father, the devil who is the father of all the liars, is the one who revealed the Messianic secret of Jesus, in the gospel of Mark. However, in the presence of Jesus, your father can say a truth. So you also can't speak the truth without the spirit of God.
In the time of 'Jesus' the goverment (Rome) was on everyones shoulders that was Jewish and alot of people ran around saying they are the messiah.... I see a comparsion to these mini jewish cults of the around the to of BC to AD to all the 'christian' churchs that are popping up in America
Jesus fulfilled all the Prophecies , because the Seed planted, in God's mind, is equal to the Tree grown and bearing it's fruit. If one waits for the physical proof, then there is no place for belief or faith, but it becomes knowledge , when it is knowledge, then there is no more use for a Jew to be different than a Gentile, the knowledge being fully grown as a full grown Tree, needs no Jews, so the Jews ought to be watering the Seed that was planted, because the Seed is the Tree.
CarmineFragione 1 month ago
No, Yeshua did not and can not fulfill all of the prophecies because no apologist can agree on the same number of prophecies. That and a lot of the so called prophecies are fabricated by the authors of the New Testament and aren't even mentioned in the Old Testament. You'd think they would be smart enough to throw something in the Old Testament if they claim it was a prophecy in the New.
shadywolf91 2 months ago
Actually the His Kingdom is Advancing without end even before His Second Coming as it says in Matthew 11:12. How is it that John the Baptist was able to advance the Kingdom, before Christ? Because the Kingdom is already here, when He comes again He will sit on the throne of what the Church will have then taken dominion over the earth and put it under Christ's footstool as the prophecy says.
DaveLeeThomas 2 months ago
I am not even talking about a political power, as the Catholic Church believed. As the Gospel of Thomas, inspired or not, said "the kingdom of God spreads out upon the face of the earth." It is true, at least that part is I cannot speak for the rest of it, the Kingdom of God is not subject to political borders. Believe it or not a perfect society is possible, it was never part of God's plan for mankind to have governments, but to be subject to the Kingdom of God.
DaveLeeThomas 2 months ago
Genesis 1:12 says God gave the Tree as a Trinity, There is a plant, called a Tree, but notably God calls the Tree, to be with it's Fruit, to be with it's Seed. So each appearance of the whole concept of a Tree is Divine among Three special appearances. The Tree bears the Fruit, that bears the Seed, that planted, grows again as the Tree, and the cycle goes endlessly over and over. Jesus remarked His appearance as Messiah was as a Seed, planted, that over time would become the Tree.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
God said to only worship Him and no other gods. You Christians are going to hell for worshipping three gods. Jesus was not/is not god. God makes it clear that He is One and there are no other god besides Him. To worship anything else is called idolatry and God hates idolatry. So you Christians better ask God to forgive you for worshipping Jesus (not a god, but a man who shitted and pissed). If you Christians don't start worshipping the One God, YOU CHRISTIANS ARE GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL!!
MrCope456 3 months ago
@MrCope456 hahaha........One God in three Persons....
MrUrosSrb 3 months ago
@MrCope456 And we also know that the apostles and early Christians were willing to be tortured , humiliated,imprisoned and murdered before renouncing Jesus' resurrection.So if they made it up,why would they agree to suffer when they can end their suffering just by renouncing their faith.
MrUrosSrb 3 months ago
@MrUrosSrb commitment to a belief doesn't prove it, I know of a certain incident where there were men so faithful that they gave their lives willingly to fly planes into buildings... I guess that makes them right by your logic?
acdelong 3 months ago
@acdelong The problem with your claim is,that the apostles and early Christians knew whether Jesus resurrected or not because they Knew him in person.It was he did resurrect or not.So they did it out of fact not out of blind faith.Why would apostles make up the empty tomb and make a hoax and than suffer for it,when they could have ended their suffering just by denying Jesus.So there you go.
MrUrosSrb 3 months ago
@MrUrosSrb And you know this due to the consistent and contemporaneous eye witness accounts of the apostles? oh, thats right, no, you don't because those don't exist, you're using your bible book instead.
acdelong 3 months ago
@acdelong U are going to far now...So maybe the apostles never existed,Paul never existed?And Pontius Pilate was probably also invetened by the Bible.Herod is also made up isnt he?Nabuchadenazzar is also a made up bible character isnt he?This is just becoming Childish.
MrUrosSrb 3 months ago
@MrUrosSrb I'm going too far?! look, even the most conservative scholars put the gospel of mark twenty or more years after the alleged death of your alleged jesus. You wanna know what's childish? imaginary friends- they're childish. So there, no contemporaneous accounts. The gospels all conflict on specific points of "jesus'" life, so which one has the real account of his coming out party after death? what was joseph's dad's name? Oh, yeah- why didn't bethlehem exist at the time?
acdelong 3 months ago
@acdelong Bethlehem didnt exist at the time?Are u that ignorant?I really got to ask.Micah 5:2
King James Version (KJV) 2But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.Book of Micah was written at around 700 BC,and it mentions Bethlehem.So bethlehem did exist my friend...
MrUrosSrb 3 months ago
@MrUrosSrb Yes, A bethlehem existed, but not the settlement referred to in the gospels, there is no evidence of settlement in the area where your super-friend was alleged to be born. Your mistaking a "prophesy" for a "fulfilled prophesy". And once again- it is circular logic to use your stupid book to attempt to provide evidence of your stupid book, quote all the dumbass verses you want, they don't serve as evidence.
acdelong 3 months ago
@acdelong They do not conflict at all.The Core Truths are the same,the little details can be explained.Ofcourse we cant expect every detail to be same because the Gospels were written By Luke who was a doctor,John who was a fisherman...and so on.They didnt all mention all details,,some say one thing some dont even mention that same event.Not all of the Gospel Writers Were eyewitnesses to every minute of Jesus' life.THey only wrote by the Holy spirit what they have saw.Thats why 4 gospels.
MrUrosSrb 3 months ago
@MrUrosSrb The gospels can't conflict whatsoever because, as you say "Jesus promised that he will send The Holy Spirit to instruct them". So with your logic either the "holy spirit" was a liar or was wrong on significant details that wouldn't conflict if written by a perfect being with ultimate knowledge. And in reality there are many gospels, written that didn't end up in your little rag- not to mention, we don't have autograph copies of a supposedly holy book that would have been preserved.
acdelong 3 months ago
@acdelong As to when were the Gospels written,it doesnt really matter since Historians Please Gospel of Matthew in a timeline from as early as 40 AD to as late as 140 ad.But it doesnt matter since Jesus promised that he will send The Holy Spirit to instruct them,so You cant possibly say that people who wrote it forgot the details or something when they were inspired by the Holy Spirit of God.
MrUrosSrb 3 months ago
@MrUrosSrb this comment is unsubstantiated and doesn't deserve a response, but hey, I'm on a roll. Prove everything you assert in this comment, with facts independent of your little book. And maybe tell me why the crazy zombie invasion mentioned in Matthew 27:52-53 never appears in anything but your little bible book. I would certainly think that such an event warrants some mention in historical documents. And what was Joseph's daddy's name again? you didn't mention that earlier...
acdelong 3 months ago
@MrCope456 If u have an open mind you will see that u are wrong in everything u just said.
MrUrosSrb 3 months ago
When Jesus died, his followers were in a lot of theological trouble- their Messiah didn't do anything the Messiah was supposed to do. So, they did two things. 1. They said " Well, he's going to come back and do those later." 2. They went through the Jewish scriptures and taylored their story of Jesus to fit in anywhere they could shoehorn him in. Most of the Christian messianic "prophecies" fall on their face when you simply look at their verses in context or they are made-up prophecies.
MrCope456 3 months ago
@MrCope456 Secondary,the disciples didnt tailor the Jewish Scriptures,as history clearly shows that the books of old testament like Isaiah predate Jesus about 700 years.So your argument fails here.Another thing that id like to point out is that Apostles had no profit in making up a story of Jesus Christ,because they knew that that would bring prosecution to them and no material profit,especially in the era of the 1st century Judaism.
MrUrosSrb 3 months ago
I hear this all the time- Jesus fulfilled 300 prophecies. Isn't it a coincidence that ALL the prophecies that he DIDN'T FULFILL are the one that COULD BE OBJECTIVELY PROVEN without relying on biased witnesses? What I mean is the prophecies in which everybody would know about, HE DIDN'T FULFILL ONE. I list three examples although there are over 30. 1. All Jews returning to Israel. 2. Peace in the world. 3. No more suffering. JESUS DIDN'T FULFILL A SINGLE PROPHECY THAT CAN BE PROVEN OBJECTIVELY.
MrCope456 3 months ago
God takes on the same meaning of the Theory of One , and also the Theory of Zero. Those boundaries in Calculus really do not belong to the Material World, but are the untouchable boundaries of Matter. One is collective, exhaustively of all numbers ranged less than the value of One, but when One is attained, the sense of collective, ends with Supremacy of the Unity of One. And then Zero is the absence of any element of the Oneness, If Zero and One can be understood, God also can be
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
The meaning of "Prime Mover" is that the Universe actually cannot be existing, unless it is moving through an energy field of normal space. We normally do not think of "Space" as any sort of "Stuff" but it is an energy field, faster than Photon Energy. Light cannot move at all, except the Space Continuum, as a Field , not Material, but Ethereal, moves out in expansion faster than light speed by billions of times faster rates of motion. What moves it, is the Prime Mover. God.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
The Materialists made the error to postulate the Steady State to be Material in Nature, and not Ethereal. There is proven today the point in which Matter becomes Energy, and that the Corporal Being of the "Self" the flesh and blood stuff, can be converted into purely "Intelligent Information" about the "Self" Which if applied to any other corporal host, should result in a transference of the "Entity" of the Mind into another body. Thus Matter is not the Origins of the Information itself.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
God by definition is a Steady State in a Timeless Void of anything we can sense, and thus fits perfectly the Supernatural Realm, which the Materialists have failed to prove "cannot exist" When anything Material, is reduced in heat to the status of not at all moving, it enters the arena of the Eternal Behavior, where no time is passing, because there is no physical rate of change in the "Behavior" of the Matter. So, if the Universe can stop moving absolutely, it returns to the Prime Mover.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
I have seen this over and over, while Time does not materially exist, it is a mathematical description of the behavior of the Universe. So the Atheists tend to substitute "Time" for God. That in the end cannot work, since the apparent meaning of Time is a Metaphorical Metaphysical and very Human sense of measure. That the material world changes over time, is not being sensed then by the Matter itself, only the Observers are caring about the meaning of this measure, Time.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
People still have a "Flat Earth" idea of Time. You go forward or reverse in Time until you reach the Abyss and fall off the edge, or you hit the wall, and stop. But Time is behaving as circular as is the Universe is Materially moving. So, the only logic is, when you get to a future place, it must pass by closely to a past time portal , in a coiled up universe of space, and then the end of the Future is the Beginning of the Past and that makes it Eternal, circular function .
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
If two stars were a million miles apart, but the only way to see the light of them is to see through a tubular looping space continuum , such as seeing through an optic fiber cable that is coiled up like a spring. The light has to travel through the coils of space time fields of energy. The light cannot cross over the coils to be seen as close by, taking a short cut, such as a worm hole concept. So the end of the Universe, may be inches away from your own nose, but you cannot see.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
Jesus said He was as the Seed of the Promised Tree, that as the Seed is obedient to death , and planted in the ground, the very works, shall then God preside over to a contiguous future outcome, that the Tree when it is planted as a seed, if acceptable to God as God's Will, the Seed is already in the Mind of God the fully grown Tree of Life, with all it's branches and fruits available to people to eat and obtain Eternal Life. Thus Jesus fulfilled all, ALL the prophetic promises as the Seed
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
Now the Hadron Collider has postulated by testing that a Neutrino can move faster than the speed of light. And in Quantum Mechanics, the element of Time can be taken out entirely of the Equation to show that the appearance of the Particle can appear in more than one place at the same time or disappear from the known reality and enter the Void. We cannot prove our world is not a containment of an entity that is having it's own dream and we are only actors upon the stage. God is the Mind
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
It isn't just the Christian population that would be cancelled out, but the Muslim population also is built upon all religious history after Jesus, who is also spoken of in the Islamic Koran. Take away Jesus and all that collapses, whether for better or worse, no man can know. But half the world is dependent upon Jesus having lived, and been the pivotal revolutionary change in world history. Without Jesus, all chance events , recalculate and forbid that any of us would be alive today
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
One of the reasons we suspect that human beings as we are now, did not exist before ten thousand years ago, is the course of geometric population growths we can plot historically , that shows most of the people, who ever lived, lived after the life of Jesus. Seven Billion alive today, but one hundred years ago, it was One Billion People, and one hundred years before that, it was half. More people are alive now, than almost all humanity ever had as a population ,that is astounding.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
I know that I would not be alive today, if not for Jesus. My parents , and theirs before for generations, were married in Church and so the timing of conceptions and the rituals of life were rhythmically connected to events framed by design following the impact of Jesus Christ. The chance of the sperm and egg and the timing of events , means most of us would never have been selected to come into the world in any other prior framework of history, if we thought we could eliminate Jesus.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
If we took away the Life of Jesus , all human history goes in another pathway, which no man today could predict. How many people alive today , were chosen to be conceived in Marriages and family lines, all built upon a prior historical foundation of Church History. About Three Billion People today are Christian, and before Jesus lived, only about Two Percent of the total number of people who ever lived, lived before Jesus. Thus 98% of World Population is Numbered by Jesus' Life.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
God is able to speak in "The Perfect Future Tense" God sees from all directions and thus from the end of time back to the beginning , assuredly knowing all things .So that once Jesus ,as God come in the flesh, had finished His role as the Son of God, saying " It is finished" then for all time and future outcomes,the matter in God's Mind is resolved that "What will be will be" And what that "Will" is to be, has been negotiated and resolved fully when Jesus was obedient to the Cross.
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
Because all promises and thus all prophecies are fulfilled when God says they are, then the Act of Obedience by the Holy One, the Son of God, towards the deeds required to Atone, once and for all time, for all, except if anyone rejects that Atonement, then the Obedience of Jesus , makes the Causality of all Future Events to have , in God's Mind, seen from the Future back to the Past, and thus not waiting on them, then Jesus fulfilled all things, which cannot be stopped by any powers
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
@CarmineFragione The savior was suppose to do MANY MANY things that Jesus did not do. Rome, however, eventually did.
If you know your REAL history, then it is blatantly obvious that the old testament is COMPLETE hog-wash.
Stop trying to support the biblical god-model, it is a waste of brain cells.
looncraz 3 months ago
@looncraz Jesus said Himself that His Life was as a Seed planted, not the Tree fully grown, regarding every promise, but the Seed of the Tree. In God's eyes, to have the seed planted by the Divine Intervention of God sending His Son, to Intervene in Human History, that is how all the prophecies are fulfilled. Nothing can stop God from continuing the Way, History has been forever altered and what Jesus did to change the outcomes of all History, can never be erased or diminished.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@CarmineFragione You mean except for the fact that he's make believe?
looncraz 3 months ago
@looncraz what facts do you have to show Jesus is make believe ? Your inability to believe is not a proof. You are told by Science that all the Massive Universe, was squeezed into a tiny dot to cause a Big Bang ? You believe that , do you ??? Did you ever see such a thing as taking all those trillions of stars and reducing them to a flea sized world ? How come you believe that and then say nothing else so novel could ever happen ? Who is being irrational ???
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@CarmineFragione What evidence do you have that Jesus is NOT make-believe? There is none. Zero.
The big bang, however, has TONS of supporting evidence. Just like evolution, abiogenesis, the Roman Empire, and - most importantly - the bible's TRUE origins.
Matter is just a different vibrational state of the "fabric" of existence. I authored THE theory which properly brings something from nothing without violating a single law - also **correctly** predicted that light was not the speed limit.
looncraz 3 months ago
@looncraz So, you, a rational person, believe that all the mass of the Cosmos can be squeezed into a pinpoint origins, so that you are now bigger than the entire Universe once was ? You have never seen any fact of that, you are told this, and you "accept" it, because other people report their findings to you , but you have no personal knowledge of any of this , do you ? And the 430 year gap between Genesis and Exodus, with no other historical fact, where is the history of the Jews ?
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@CarmineFragione
An atom is mostly empty "space." Remove the empty spaces of all the atoms, and everything fits into a singularity - provided you slow the vibrational forms (at one point they essentially cease to exist).
Working backwards is the incorrect way to look at existence, one must look forward and explain why there is something rather than nothing - the answer is in the automatic realization of the infinite potential in absence of anything.
Super-fluids and absolute zero in part 2...
looncraz 3 months ago
@CarmineFragione (part 2)
Super-fluids, triple points, and failure to reach absolute zero demonstrate the fact that cooling (to the extreme) causes a confusion of the fundamentals of matter. Look up the Bose-Einstein condensate - it is proof.
I have personal knowledge of this phenomenon. I theorized that absolute zero could not be achieved within the universe, you would need to pull a hole in the universe and then you will find the universe actually expands with 'new' energy from outside....
looncraz 3 months ago
@looncraz Empty Space is a True Void, light cannot enter those places and no normal space energy fields have entered those places, and they can be millions of light years across. The Universe already looks like Swiss Cheese due to Voids. If Light cannot propagate into the Voids, what theory can be about the substance of the Voids, are they some strange matter or why could not the Space Field Inflation enter those places ? All access is denied the Universe to enter there.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@CarmineFragione (part 3)
There is no gap in the history of the Jews in secular history. The gap only exists in Judea-Christian "history."
We know that Egypt never harbored Jewish slaves, that Jews did NOT number into the millions, that Egypt spent a YEAR conquering the area the Jews later claimed to have conquered, and we know that MOST of the cities didn't even exist during the time period as the Jews claimed as well that Jericho had no walls at the time to be destroyed in the first place...
looncraz 3 months ago
@looncraz Are you saying the Jews were the Hyskos, or are you saying there were no Jews in History at that time and it is a literary fiction ?
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@CarmineFragione (part 4)
Jews invented their own history - which was COMMON - to spread stories of grandness abroad so as to scare away potential invaders. It worked against them and they were conquered shortly after their god granted then eternal protection so that "wherever the sole of your foot sets, shall be yours." He failed in short order to protect the Jews...
I determined, personally, that the speed of light could NOT be the cosmic speed limit because light experiences interactions.
looncraz 3 months ago
@looncraz Obviously Photon Energy propagation is not the fastest moving thing, but rather the Cosmic Space Field itself, out of the Big Bang, spread out billions of light years across instantaneously and continues to expand faster than light. which creates the problem that a star you think is 15 billion light years away, might have been nearby only a few thousand years ago, because the same field of space is continuing to spread everything apart . Distance becomes an illusory thing
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@looncraz Also, you have no personal knowledge that the speed of light is truly a constant in other parts of the Universe, because you have never been there, have you ? Where is the history of the Jews for 430 years in Egypt ? Name one source. Not even the Bible has that 430 years of report on what the Jews were doing in Egypt, it is taken on Faith. With you , it is all about whose Ox is being gored , isn't it ???
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@CarmineFragione (part 5)
I do not have the requirement of having been somewhere to know how it is there. For instance, I've never been 31 miles out at see, however, I've been 30 miles out - and I assume 31 miles is not much different than 30 miles - but I can use tools (such as a map / satellite / telescope) to determine that I'm correct).
The Jews were not in Egypt, hence they have no history - though they ARE mentioned ONCE in Egyptian history - a a people DESTROYED by Egypt.
Keep reading
looncraz 3 months ago
@looncraz Here is your problem, you are materially standing in a localized area of the known Universe, making postulations about the whole Cosmos, without any ability whatsoever to prove a single case. You could not prove that the World was not created five minutes ago in some "Intelligent Design" with all the matters of evidence built into it to persuade you that everything is real. If you had a vivid dream and never woke up, you would begin to accept it as "REALITY" No ???
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@CarmineFragione (part 6)
Intelligent design would possess certain features, otherwise it would not be intelligent. Those features are not present. Universal laws do not change depending on the circumstances, and EVERYTHING exhibits a historical echo.
To suggest that the universe is made just to confuse us into believing something else is plainly stupid. It is also an invalid supposition as one cannot test make a determination. If your god made the universe that way then he's simply a dick.
looncraz 3 months ago
@looncraz Science has not had the time to determine how steady are the Constants or Fixed Laws , We only assume that thousands of years ago the Nuclear Force and the Weak Force was the same, but no one can empirically prove that, we have to take that on faith that the Cosmos , while speedily expanding keeps the Laws fairly constant, but that is likely all false, The younger Universe would have other Constant Law values that are unimaginable to us today in our conditions.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@looncraz Let me test your mettle ! If you met a person, someone of the opposite sex, And you fell in love, not with the material person before you, but your vision in your mind that led you to a belief you are in love. Then when you marry , you have kids. Now, the kids remain just as real, though what led you to the acts were nothing more than a vision existing only in your mind . Yes or No ? What is Real, only means the very Idea has a Material Impact over time, yes or no ?
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@CarmineFragione
Reality MUST be determined through objective, not subjective, criteria. Otherwise, we can determine the truth as brains are very poor at determining the reality of an event. Just because I experience something as real does not make it so.
However, when one performs properly formed, repeatable, peer-reviewed experiments to determine the exact nature of - something - then we know what is real. Unless your ass-hole version of a god was true - but we'll get there in a moment...
looncraz 3 months ago
@looncraz It has only been three centuries since Galileo, you are biting off more than you can chew. There is no way to prove Light Speed is constant throughout the whole Universe. There is no way to prove that Time is sensed equally everywhere in the Cosmos, in some places , the Beginning of the Universe, may still be the Time of Day. Imagine the shape of the garden hose as the way to travel space, and the hose is coiled up and the furthest star is very close, but in the coils.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@looncraz You say you authored a Theory ? State your Hypothesis and state your Empirical Facts you have brought to this Theory of yours. I am interested . I am reasonable to expect that in the utter madness of a complete distortion, that possibly a portion of the truth is coming through. But there is an Eternity of separation between someone's "approach to Truth" and actual grasp of Truth. Being either Good or Evil one does act and reveal truth of matters, it can't be helped.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@CarmineFragione (part 8 - forgot to label part 7)
If you have a god, you must explain how that god came about. Infinite existence is acceptable so long as you can describe the means by which non-existence was overcome and persists.
It so happens, I have successfully performed this feat in my theory of Automatic Realization of Existence Potential.
From Zero to non-zero with NOTHING interacting to cause it.
An intelligent entity does not come about through that method - any way you shake it.
looncraz 3 months ago
@looncraz No, it is not necessary to explain God beyond His Being Eternal. The World itself was once thought to be Eternal, called a "Steady State Universe" but the Big Bang proved that Time and Space had a beginning. But it is not reasonable to explain God , if God is forever the same. God is not anything that is Created, nor Destroyed. What ever is then Indelible , Permanent , and having no Limits or Metaphysical limits would be in the Domain of God. It stops there.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@CarmineFragione If you cannot explain why god is eternal, then you have failed from every logical aspect.
Saying "just because" is not an answer at all.
A steady state is forbidden as it does not provide mechanisms for the existence of our universe. A steady state is precisely what has been determined to NOT exist as at the lowest level the universe is anything but stable, and the fabric from which it "emanates" is even less stable. We can test this and have done so.
Steady state is wrong.
looncraz 3 months ago
@looncraz It is not that I have a god, it is that there is a God, if there is that which is not created or destroyed. It is that simple. About one hundred years ago , scientists thought the Material World was itself eternal, having no beginning or end, but alas , that was false. Just because we have a term of Zero or say "Nothing" it does not mean that there is nothing at all there, but it is not anything Material or Powerful. A true Void, may be something else besides material
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@CarmineFragione (part 2)
A god requires organization and awareness. To go from nothing to that is a long road.
One hundred years ago scientists were still trying to prove the bible right, being confounded at every turn as to why there was ZERO supporting evidence... until they finally realized the bible was almost completely fabricated.
In the true nothing - there is AND must be **NOTHING**. Zero, nada, zilch. Otherwise there is something, which means that there isn't nothing... simple...
looncraz 3 months ago
@looncraz One can forever ask why, until you conclude with a steady state that does not have any ability to change or experience time, then you come to a final answer. But the Steady State is not the Material Universe, but the Steady State is the cause of the Universe. And that cause should have no problem being an intelligence that has as the substance of it, anything not created in the Big Bang. So God needs no further regressions of explanations, it is the final answer.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@CarmineFragione (part 3)
All god-centric people have to force something into the nothing in order to feed their delusion of an all-powerful creator. This particular version of a god has been completely discredited. There is only ONE entry point for a being existing at the core of everything - but the odds are astronomical: It must be true that matter is conscious.
All matter. This would, however, mean that we are all one being. And we are [a part of] god.
It would also mean stars think...
looncraz 3 months ago
@looncraz Matter does participate in a duality in the Conscious State, but it does not stand alone as Sufficient for the Conscious State. There is a "Cabal" likened to the Doctrine of the Trinity, that God as One, is yet complex inwardly, as the substance of the "Steady State" Eternal Truth. Such as, "Relationships" do not exist by one half the issue. Matter without Energy, Father without Son, Positive without Negative. there are three dimensions invested plus time etc.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@looncraz The Elementalism of this world's Materialism, has to move back into the Oneness of another Status Quo, that which all matter and energy was contained as, before the Divination of Material Reality. That means before the Big Bang, there was the first status quo of what would in the dimension of Time, become Elemental. That brings us back to the Oneness of the Singularity , with a Prime Mover. And that the Substance of "Stuff" was then part of the Uniformity of God's Being
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@looncraz You are at fault for saying "Time is a driving force" There is no such thing materially or energy wise as "Time" Rates of Change of the status of Matter and Energy, has been a variable since the Big Bang occurred. Time does not work in infinite sense of Gravity, such as a Black Hole, so Time is cancelled out as a true "Reality" and exposed as a Human Sense of something else that is the matter that is changing. If something never changes, then time is nonexistant
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@CarmineFragione (part 4)
Time is innate to consciousness and processes. They do not occur outside of time as time is the driving force. The very instant anything occurred, time resulted as a dimension of existence. Time affects us differently depending on our relative speeds, evidence against a steady state origin.
God is NOT the final answer as there is no explanation for the existence of this god. Intelligence is a product of organization, you must explain the origin of god's intelligence.
looncraz 3 months ago
@looncraz There is no need to explain a Prime Mover, God. God becomes a collective Noun that embodies all that is permanent, unchanging, eternal, timeless, without cause. You are simply confused, because you expect Science to be able to explain everything, and by definition, Science is not able to explain everything. The type of Science that with prejudice , rules out God or Supernatural Eternal Truth, is never proven by Science as worthy a belief, but is a priori assumption.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@CarmineFragione
You must explain why there is something rather than nothing. This is simply inescapable.
Not even the infinite cannot exist without a cause/reason. If you say the natural state is existence rather than non-existence, that does NOT solve the problem. You have to answer: why. The reason is simple, we have something merely from the potential in the absence of it. Mathematically, this is very complicated, however we have echoes of this in the real world that have been tested.
looncraz 3 months ago
if god has a cause. the cause of god is to be godly.
what is the cause of god can be answered by god.
either way you look at it, it's still good.
you can reduce layers of godliness and change his idiosyncrasy, but the foundation remains the same he is god. now you look at what different religions say about god.
chrisitnaity, islam and judaism have their sayings.
salakunjee 3 months ago
@salakunjee You are confuse purpose with causality/origin.
You come from zero, and go to something. A scientist goes from nothing to the most fundamental, simple, constituent component of all existence. A religious person goes immediately to the most complex, all-powerful, all-knowing, intelligent entity.
This is the fundamental issue, god is NOT a simple or elegant answer, it is a non-starter. You can't go from nothing to infinite complexity in a single step, it just doesn't work in any way.
looncraz 3 months ago
@looncraz that's the thing.
you fail to see god is not a scientific theory. you gave it away there 'a scientist goes from...'. let me tell you something, the very DEFINITION of god is his origin, and in the origin is his purpose. God is simply, to Be and Do. if we accept THAT, then you must see if an entity's purpose and cause are the same, his Cause is to be and Do, and his purpose is to Be and Do. You should realise, he is not a being you can put under a microscope.
salakunjee 3 months ago
their 'backing' of it is through all that we know and don't know. saying god has a cause is not a problem. his cause, is to simply - be god. what is god? the definitions are aplenty. but they essentially say the same thing we believe he does. what he does is why he is there.
salakunjee 3 months ago
@CarmineFragione (part 2)
Supernatural is just that: make-believe! It is either natural, or it doesn't exist without intelligent intervention (synthetics, cars, etc....).
You can say that there is an eternal realm outside the universe. That is probably true, however to claim that same realm is intelligent is simply unsupportable.
Science rules nothing out except by experiment. A creator-god has been ruled out. A god emanating from the eternal has not been, however - but the odds are slim.
looncraz 3 months ago
@looncraz Time itself does not exist as a matter or energy "stuff" concept. Time is a rate of change, using a mathematical logic that is entirely abstract , ethereal, esoteric, having no substance to itself, Time is a Verbal description of the Matter at hand. Time is not a force , while Gravity is a Universal Force Field. Time is then as subject to dismissal, as would be God, in Rational Thinking. But time is a problem , because it proves we are Sentient , being aware of Time.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@CarmineFragione (part 3)
Time is an actor, it exists as a progression of events. It is a dimension on which processes occur, without it - no process can occur. It has a solid mathematical foundation. The rate at which time elapses is relative to your position and speed and the exterior of the universe. Outside the universe we are but a blip - the entire universe is a blip. A barely-stable bubble coming from the collision of "ethereal" energies in a very specific manner - a shock-wave echo.
looncraz 3 months ago
@looncraz God as the Intelligence Cause of the Material World, can only be expected to be analogous to the Dream State of the Intelligent Mind you have. In the Mental Regression of the Dream State, your outer material being is reduced to purely "Information" And then projected inwardly to the Dream State, where in you have Divine Powers of Separation of Character to see yourself in your own dream, among others in a world, by which if you failed to wake up, you would accept as normal.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@CarmineFragione (final)
You are still looking at things from the inside out. Start from the beginning, start with nothing, and create a god.
I can go from nothing and create everything we know exists, including ourselves, and intelligence.
Devise experiments which will demonstrate your theory, and ensure that the results can come back negative (called falsifiability).
I've done all this with mine, and correctly predicted that speed was not the cosmic speed limit - just recently verified...
looncraz 3 months ago
@looncraz if you say however, that God's purpose OR cause/origin is to exist/to be. Then so be it. It is like, if we assume mankind's purpose is to do , it still un-answers the idea of his cause right? But with God, he is beyond the parameter of cause because to cause you need 'time' , if there is no 'time' to come-to-be then you don't have cause and something mustve caused you - nothing caused God. And neither did he cause himself. He was simple always there, in a transcendental eternality
salakunjee 3 months ago
@salakunjee Nothing is beyond the requirement of causality.
If you say god exists, then there must be a reason why. God cannot exist simply because he exists. He would need to exist because the default state of existence if an infinite intelligence. It is a small nuance that means EVERYTHING in cosmology/physics/mathematics.
The test is to determine what would come from nothing out of pure and infinite potential. "Logically" you can say, well, god! But not mathematically / scientifically.
looncraz 3 months ago
Ezekiel 29:10-11 “therefore I am against you and against your streams, and I will make the land of Egypt a ruin and a desolate waste from Migdol to Aswan, as far as the border of Cush. The foot of neither man nor beast will pass through it; no one will live there for forty years.”
FAIL: Never in its long history has Egypt been uninhabited for forty years
Example 3 taste it christians taste it that is me debunking your bible
wachnathan 4 months ago
Isaiah 52:1 “Awake, awake, O Zion, clothe yourself with strength. Put on your garments of splendor, O Jerusalem, the holy city. The uncircumcised and defiled will not enter you again.”
FAIL: There are still uncircumcised people living in Jerusalem even today. Example 2 i have more fails but of course your going to reject them because your not interested in giving it up inlight of my examples this is exactly why i can't stand theism i guess the walking dead do exist there called christians.
wachnathan 4 months ago
Isaiah 17:1 “An oracle concerning Damascus: See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins.”
FAIL: Damascus is still inhabited today with well over a million people and there was never a time where it ceased to be a city. It is widely known as being the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world. "Game over chrisitans" all it takes is just one fail and here is one example enough of this nonsense already put down your bibles already you lost.
wachnathan 4 months ago
To fulfill the Law, does not mean to finish the action of all the deeds the Law bears out in the end of time . It means to plant the seeds or the Beginnings of the Fulfillment. Is a Tree promised , a fulfilled promise when the SEED goes into the ground ? It is if God agrees to water the Seed and save it through every threat in time to assure the day it will be the Tree with branches, buds and blossoms among the leaves. Jesus said He is the Seed that dies and is planted as the fulfillment
CarmineFragione 5 months ago
The Law Giver, Moses, was a Levite High Priest of Yahweh, not a Judah or Jew. The Jews made a religion out of a Testament Law, or Constitution of an Ancient Nation of Israel , and of the Land , but this Judaism Religion is unauthorized by God, since God did not give the Law to be used as merely a Religion for Proselytes. Jesus is High Priest, a Levite chosen by God as the Son , as God was One in Moses, face to face. Messiah has Divine Authority of the Father to modify the Law for His Rule
CarmineFragione 5 months ago
Jesus did fulfill all the Prophecies of the Law of Moses and the Prophets, but first it was fulfilled in Himself, seeing He came as the Substitute for all the Sons of Israel. So Israel , from conception to death , by the High Priest as the proper substitute , the Father coming for the Sons of Israel, Jesus lived from "Bet to Taw" the perfect Life , fulfilling the Law. Now the seed of perfection is planted , the Tree is growing all over the world. God needs not wait as men do to say so
CarmineFragione 5 months ago
The Fulfillment of the Law is in the Atonement, As Jesus made Atonement, all other fulfillment of the Law is automatically finished, It is as a SEED planted in the ground for a tree. Now the seed is now hidden in the ground, but if God accept the Atonement for Sin , then God assures the seed will not perish and in the appointed season shall grow to be the Tree of Israel , and bear fruits all seasons of the year. You cannot wait for the Kingdom , you have to water the SEED !!!
CarmineFragione 5 months ago
IF ANYONE TRULY WANTS TO KNOW WHY WE JEWS REJECT JESUS AND WHY HES NOT THE MESSIAH PM ME.
y2kabilov 6 months ago
@y2kabilov -sure tell us your reasons- could you also cite your scriptural references- thanks
shieldsff 5 months ago
@shieldsff What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:
Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
y2kabilov 5 months ago
@shieldsff Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world ― on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
y2kabilov 5 months ago
@shieldsff Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world ― on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)
y2kabilov 5 months ago
@shieldsff Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"
y2kabilov 5 months ago
@y2kabilov God never intended the National Constitution and Covenant of Ancient Israel , the historical Nation to today become merely a "Religion of Judaism" There is no Oral Authority of the Law, only the Messiah, the Levite High Priest must perform all aspects of the Law until the Jubilee of the appointed times. The Messiah fulfills the Law, renews it with changes and improvements, or lessens it or ends it, as the Divine Authority of the Levite High Priest ,as Moses was, is One with God.
CarmineFragione 5 months ago
@shieldsff i have much, much more
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youneekk 6 months ago
I wish people would realize some consider ALL CAPS as screaming. It may be easier than properly capitalizing sentences, but it is gentler and it is easier to read.
fwfassett 7 months ago
"Behold, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the LORD, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming," says the LORD of hosts. (Malachi 3:1)
And Jesus entered the temple and cast out all those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the moneychangers and the seats of those who were selling doves. (Matthew 21:12)
Mrignorance666 7 months ago
YOU ARE GOING TO NEED PLENTY OF HELP ARGUING ANY ONE OF THESE VERSES.............ESPECIALLY.¬....................
The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at My right hand, until I make Thine enemies a footstool for Thy feet." (Psalm 110:1)
So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God. (Mark 16:19)
Mrignorance666 7 months ago
there are so many disturbed people on this thread!...internet arguing is so productive...and over internet conspiracy theories and personal things like religion...I heard that Josephus was really Caligula!...hehehe....I am surprised no one brought up the fantasy of the Piso Hypothesis....
XDragasesX 8 months ago
Jesus did fulfill it all. googlle preterism.
Luke 17:20 the Kingdom of God DOES NOT come with careful observation.....
Rev.21:3 Now the kingdom of God is with men.
preteristaynrand 8 months ago
Jesus did fulfill it all. googlle preterism.
Luke 17:20 the Kingdom of God DOES NOT come with careful observation.....
preteristaynrand 8 months ago
Jesus did fulfill it all. googlle preterism.
preteristaynrand 8 months ago
what government was on jesus's shoulders???? he was a peasant??
maryann799 8 months ago
@maryann799 lol...right
DarkBeauty1989 8 months ago
Poor Christians, Eternally waiting for a return that will never happen.
s8ntmark 8 months ago 2
@s8ntmark Jesus was supposed to return during the life time of his ORIGINAL followers. See Mark 13:7.8 , Mark 13:30, and Matthew 24:34. Based on Deuteronomy 18:19-22 Jesus was a false prophet not worthy to be believed.
rdsanchez1966 7 months ago
@rdsanchez1966 THIS VERSE BELOW CONTRADICTS THE TORAH AND ISLAM.......IT PROVES THAT GOD IS ONE............BUT GOD HAS A DIVINITY.........JESUS MUST BE THE SON OF GOD WHO IS ONE IN THE FATHER AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.....................I CHALLENGE ANY SCHOLAR WHO SAYS OTHERWISE!!!!!!!!!
The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at My right hand, until I make Thine enemies a footstool for Thy feet." (Psalm 110:1)
Mrignorance666 7 months ago
@Mrignorance666 #1 The Lord said to my lord. That's about Psalm 110:1, a Psalm of David, who was on the run from kindred and foes. From king Saul and his armies and from the Philistines and Amalekites who both had their reasons to get David dead. Then, after several Psalms he composed pleading God for help,
he had a spirtual repast, when he was inspired to write Psalm 110.
Then he wrote "The Lord said to me, 'Sit at My right hand while I make of your enemies your footstools.'"
1010budweiser 7 months ago
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@Mrignorance666 #2David had written that Psalm
out of the feeling that he had his prayers responded and guaranteed by God that he would not be vanquished no matter what.
Like other Psalms of his, this one was one of them to be chosen to be chanted in the Temple by the Levites. To adapt the Psalm to the choir, the Levites would chant it not as David wrote, which would sound awkward for being in the singular.
1010budweiser 7 months ago
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@Mrignorance666 #3 So, it came out to be: "The Lord said to my lord, sit at My right hand while I make your enemies your footstool." In other words, the Lord (God) said to my lord (David), stand asside and watch while I fight your own battles.
It is interesting to notice that the JPS translation from the Hebrew text capitalizes the first word "Lord" as a reference to God, and the second word "lord" in small head letter as a reference to David.
1010budweiser 7 months ago
@Mrignorance666 4The Christian KJV has adulterated the text by capitalizing also the second word "lord" as an attempt to refer it to Jesus as the second person of the Trinity. But it doesn't work, because the text is Jewish, and according to Logic, it must be interepreted in a Jewish manner and not according to another religion.
Therefore, I hope that Christians, from now on, should at least think twice when reading Psalm 110:1, which has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus but with David.
1010budweiser 7 months ago
@1010budweiser Thats not the case. Jews have many books outside the Torah that they use. would it be better if all people could read hebrew or latin I guess, but it does not mean the KJV is wrong. there are many hebrew words that don't have english equivalents. thats why the translations get written down wrong sometimes. you can't expect translators to 100% accurate no matter how many people proof read it. but you can be sure it gets corrected over time. thats why we have Scholarly methods.
WizzRacing 6 months ago
Yeshua fulfilled more of 320 prophecies of TANACH!
50crol 8 months ago
@50crol bullshit
DarkBeauty1989 8 months ago
Why Did Jesus NOT Fulfill All the Prophecies About Him?
..... Because "he" did NOT exist.
tellnet 8 months ago
@tellnet Say what you will about his claim to be God, but to claim that Jesus of Nazareth did not even exist? That's a huge stretch, and a leap of faith beyond what history can support.
TheSeanWilson 8 months ago
@TheSeanWilson
Honest History and ALL of the Archaeological evidence points to the FACT that Nazareth did NOT exist at the time attributed to the infamous Jesus's existence - hence, though there may well have been a myriad of Jesi a-jumping and a-leaping about there was n'eer a lamb of 'god' (as for that godfella - well then, there is another myth unworthy of considersation .... )
tellnet 8 months ago
@tellnet And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the city of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family of David, in order to register, along with Mary, who was engaged to him, and was with child.... And she gave birth to her first-born son; and she wrapped Him in cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn. (Luke 2:4-5, 7)
Mrignorance666 7 months ago
@Mrignorance666
What on earth are you raving about ?
.... zero tolerance for nonsense
tellnet 7 months ago
@tellnet "But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, from the days of eternity." (Micah 5:2)
Mrignorance666 7 months ago
@Mrignorance666
More gibberish ..........
tellnet 7 months ago
@tellnet YOUR RIGHT......JESUS DID NOT FULFILL ALL THE PROPHECIES.....-THATS BECAUSE THE ONES THAT WERE NOT FULFILLED ARE ALL THE ONES TO BE FULFILLED IN HIS SECOND COMING.............STOP SPREADING LIES........UNDERSTAND ALL THE PROPHECIES FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SECONDLY THE MESSIAH HAD TO COME BEFORE THE DESTRUCTION OF THE SECOND TEMPLE!!!!!EVERYONE KNOWS THAT!!!!!!........SO IF JESUS ISN'T THE MESSIAH..........THEN WHO IS.........LOL...........!!!!!!
YOU CLEARLY DON'T KNOW NOTHING!!!!!! LOL
Mrignorance666 7 months ago
@Mrignorance666
Turn off CAPS LOCK, take your head out of your arse and get a grip on reality ...
.... Too much to ask, or expect.... I suppose.
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C'est la vie.
tellnet 7 months ago
@tellnet
LISTEN.....CAN YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE 100% SURE THAT JESUS IS NOT THE SON OF GOD!!!!!!!.......BECAUSE IF YOU DIE WITHOUT BELIEVING IN HIM....... YOU WILL SEE HIM COMING IN HIS GLORY TO JUDGE THE LIVING AND THE DEAD!!!!!!!!!!.......AND YOU WILL NOT ENTER HEAVEN BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT BELIEVED
But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, and by His scourging we are healed. (Isaiah 53:5)
Mrignorance666 7 months ago
@Mrignorance666
As I said .........
Zero tolerance for nonsense....
Did you listen ??
Of course not .....
Well, thanks for the laugh .....
tellnet 7 months ago
@tellnet LOOK.......HONESTLY I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU......BUT YOUR IGNORANCE WILL CAUSE YOUR DESTRUCTION.......
Mrignorance666 7 months ago
@Mrignorance666
You , YOU feel sorry for me.. ME !!
Thanks again ... for the laugh
Ha ha
tellnet 7 months ago
@TheDarvus
$1,000,000.00 actually
tellnet 8 months ago
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Rev 1: 4,5,8,11,12,13,17,18, Rev 22:12-20, God say, “I, am Jesus, the A and the Z, the bright morning Star, the Beginning and the Ending, God, the Lord, Jesus, the First to rise from death, to die no more, the All Powerful One who is, Jesus, and was, and Is coming again, the First and the Last, who died, who is now alive forevermore, who has the keys of hell and death, am coming soon”. He's worthy of worship.Rev 1:5 "...Give to Him everlasting Glory and praise, for He rules forever. Amen”.luv u
righteousseed1 8 months ago
proposal to a new bumper sticker: "CHRISTIANITY IS AN ABOMINATION TO THE GOD OF ISRAEL"
rsoto30162 9 months ago
@rsoto30162 And for centuries this supposed God of Israel did nothing as the Israelites were kicked around like football; from Pharaoh, to Haman, Nebuchadnezzer, Hitler etc. What is it about these Israelities that their 'God' allowed them to be battered so mercilessly, to the point of annihiliation?
chine62 9 months ago
Oh my... The reason Jesus did not fulfill any of the real prophesies is because he was not the mesiah. If he heven fulfill some and not all is proof that he ws not mesiah. countless people prior and after jesus where though to be mesiahs. How do we know they where not the mesiah? because like jesus non of the comply nad no one is waiting for any of them to return... It is safe to said that waiting for jesus is ridiculous!
rsoto30162 9 months ago
Watch the youtuber ProfMTH videos, he shows quite good evidance that the prophecy fulfullments are simply bullshit.
saintpine 9 months ago
@TheDarvus
Ahh yes!
I'm familiar with the prize.
They've talked about it on the "Atheist Experience" show.
I had just forgotten what his name was.
But I remember hearing about Uri Geller's debunking, years before.
I believe that he claimed that he could bend spoons with his mind.
They made sure that neither he, nor any of his people had any contact with the spoons, before, or durring the demonstration.
I don't know if he pulled the old "I can't do it with unbelievers around" excuse.
SinnFein4ever 9 months ago
@TheDarvus
Who's James Randi?
SinnFein4ever 9 months ago
@TheDarvus
Personally, I'm of the opinion, that unless there's solid evidence for somthing, it's not logical to believe in it.
Ex: Bigfoot, Nessie, flying saucers, psychic abilities, re-incarnation, ghosts, witchcraft, fairies, ect.
"I don't know what caused this, ergo, it must be God" is the same thinking which ancient people used to explain things like lighting, meteorites, earthquakes, disease...ect.
SinnFein4ever 9 months ago
@TheDarvus
My point is that God is just a fairy-tale character.
SinnFein4ever 9 months ago
@TheDarvus
A theory is a hypothesis which was been tested, and has been prooven acurate.
Ex: the theory of evolution.
An idea which has not been tested, is simply a hypothesis.
There is no scientific evidence supporting the validity of any religion.
SinnFein4ever 9 months ago
@TheDarvus
What theory?
SinnFein4ever 9 months ago
Well proto-Christianity started out as a doomsday cult.
Jesus was going around saying that judgement day was coming soon, and that "the last of this generation shall not die out, before these things have come to pass".
Well, obviously, that didn't happen; yet the cult still continued.
A guy makes "prophesies" they're prooven false, and yet people still follow him.
The stupidity of humankind never ceases to amaze me.
SinnFein4ever 9 months ago 2
@TheDarvus your theory refutes itself... no evidence and no historian supports it.
Humbler25 10 months ago
@TheDarvus the only one I'm making to look like an idiot is you... and it hasn't been very hard either.
Humbler25 10 months ago
@TheDarvus no, that's me giving facts that you haven't provided any evidence for your silly theory and it falls on it's own head without any evidence and simply gets thrown out of court. You lose!
Humbler25 10 months ago
@TheDarvus that's easy... you have provided zero evidence to support it. Your theory has refuted itself because there simply isnt any to support anything that you claim. It falls on its own head which is why no historians even consider it. It's dead!
Humbler25 10 months ago
@TheDarvus you clearly have taken Paul's words out of context. No one in the world believes your nonsense. It has been refuted all over youtube. Your theory has been weighed, it has been measured, and it has been found wanting.
Humbler25 10 months ago
the people who wrote the stories which the catholic church later collected and bound together in one book they called the bible (200 years later)
those authors were free to write whatever they wanted, to make it appear jesus had fullfilled all the prophecies. At their time, those stories were not published, they were not peer reviewed, they could write whatever they wanted
and they did, even things NOBODY was there to witness
ie. Jesus ALONE in the desert for 40 days.
MrHobiecat 10 months ago
You ignore the rest of the verse. Isaiah 9:6 "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest (J)on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.]
This fails to take into account that Jesus tore families apart and instigated complete societal collapse. Not very 'peaceful', to say the least.
And then there's social/political context to be considered...
onijester56 10 months ago
Mark 13:30 , is that still possible?
Please.
Greathiway 11 months ago
Isaiah 9:6 is about the child of Isaiah 7:14. This prophecy has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus. Biblical scholarship has been saying this for almost 300 years!!
melasun07 11 months ago
The question here is: "Does the Bible say that Jesus fulfilled all the Old Testament Prophecies?" But the answer is: It doesn't matter what the Bible says on this matter. The real question is: "Is there ANY evidence that anything written about Jesus even happened?" and secondary question: "Even if it there were, would that make him supernatural, or just someone who seemed supernatural, like a million people who came before and after him?" Lee Strobel... what a "skeptic," lol.
instereovideos 11 months ago
how can there be impossibilities with an all powerful god? this excuse is not sufficent.
KspekEvo 1 year ago
doesn't all this pre-suppose that "prophesy" is some sort of foretelling the future? Consider the concept of Midrash - whereby writers interpret present events in light of their sacred scriptures.
john1801rambo 1 year ago
What was the point of this video?
Prizm4 1 year ago
How convenient, the ones that haven't happened will happen. Its like an episode of Battle star Galactic, but with out long legged blondes, and a good plot.
LouisPlume 1 year ago 2
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valio2750 1 year ago
Hey mr. strobel is it you again, why are you still trying to define the truth with your corruptible wisdom. Don't you got enough of fooling yourself. Your father, the devil who is the father of all the liars, is the one who revealed the Messianic secret of Jesus, in the gospel of Mark. However, in the presence of Jesus, your father can say a truth. So you also can't speak the truth without the spirit of God.
valio2750 1 year ago
In the time of 'Jesus' the goverment (Rome) was on everyones shoulders that was Jewish and alot of people ran around saying they are the messiah.... I see a comparsion to these mini jewish cults of the around the to of BC to AD to all the 'christian' churchs that are popping up in America
adz84au 1 year ago
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babeCZar 1 year ago
@babeCZar He did not fail my friend, read the prophecy again, read Isaiah 53 and you know why he had to die.
stephjh2006 1 year ago
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Of course, this is the Judgement day as this guy pointed out. For Peace will be established at the end of time.
The Jews think this is on Earth. We Christians believe it is in heaven.
Nice Video.
ReligiousEducator 1 year ago