forget about wateva dynasty u talking about...forget about Free Tibet. Tibet don't want to be freed, Tibet wants to save their Identy and culture. I can make exactly same movie with how Communist china tortured their own people. we know you bull shit...cut the crap and closed this comment. Nice sound track tho! keep it up...Don't loose your hope, stick to ur guts. Bhod gyalo
unless you dont know this, america spent 100 years expanding and clawing west to acheive its level of security, and a few horrible wars to keep its national soveirgnty. unlike you aussies who were handed independence we fought for ours. and now you decide to criticize the us for something britain and france have been doing for 400 years? do you not get that the chinese actually like us and trade with us so stop trying to start an anti-us crusade asshole.
lmao good work with the dramatic music.but very strange video.where did you get your facts from?2000 years good relation?tibet and china?tibet attacked china on several occasions throughout 7th to 9th century.tibet took over the chinese capital,the chinese emperor at that time wed his daughter to the tibetan king to mend relations.princess wencheng was 13 years old.oh and tibet was under the mongol empire/yuan and manchu empire/qing,otherwise china never ruled tibet.
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Tibet framed themselves that they are monks that dont eat meat and they dont deal with drugs...whatever O.O liarpoototoes.. How many animals have you killed?what are you guys seen doing drugs?.... If its not true...
why would my parents+grandparents have to repeat themselves everyday? [about the story].
Those people who are not CHINESE/ASIAN. and those people who are trying to argue that they know better Fuck off. you know nothing... mind your own culture. you know none.
shawnchong, you commented just about some tiny thing, useless i meant. And it's easy to understand what he meant.
jackrowet123456789 do you believe me if I say that your father is not your father? Don't you understand why I ask you such question? Can you tell us the real History? thanks
Sorry, 25% percent in major industrial cities, should have been more clear. Either way, massive expansions to the armed forces in the middle of world financial crisis tells you that the people on top are getting scared. Some places in Sichuan, police are too afraid to wear their uniforms, for fear of being attacked by unemployed CHINESE workers.
The Chinese government rewrote history just like the Nazis, and the Soviets. YOU CANNOT HAVE RELIABLE SOURCES IN A TOTALITARIAN STATE, LIKE CHINA. If the government were actually confident in they're history and policies, they wouldn't have to silence dissent. China's on the brink of revolution anyways. with unemployment at 25%, the people are realize how hard they are being fucked by the CCP.
yeah yeah any government would have some form of censorship, it's the method that's different. however i suggest that you don't pull statistics our of your ass. 25% is a ridiculous number
Oh but they do have control over the education there/here. There are CCP sponsored schools in my city, that teach CCP education, aswell as English! These places have been the subject of investigation by CSIS...hmmmm...expecially because some of these schools seem to have more staff, than students... espionage as well?
have you ever been to tibet? no, i thought not. so what makes you think the majority of tibetans dont want to be a part of china? yeah, thats right, the media, the news. so just because some guy on TV told you so, you're going to bandwagon
I haven't been to Tibet, but I have many Tibetan friends. Some of them have recently escaped from Tibet. None of them want Tibet to be part of China.
If the majority of Tibetans want to be part of China, why don't they make a poll to find out? Why does your government not allow world media in Tibet to show how happy Tibetans are under Chinese occupation?
I bet your friends have never been to Tibet either. There's a difference between Tibet-born-Tibetans and foreign-born-Tibetans. YOU only know the latter. I have business partners in Tibet and I've been there 5x. There's no abuse or torture, no cultural genocide. Tibetan language can be heard. There's Tibetan writing, restaurants, and clothing shops in the street. Everyone's living just fine. "Free TIbet" is just an exaggeration made up by US to make China look bad and you're buying into their bs
Oh really? Thats the only thing holding China back from voting, reputation? Why not let in press during the vote? If this really is about reputation, then let The World see WITH THEIR OWN EYES. Not CCP's point of view.
Well the rest of us can manage it, I'm sure China can to. The people in charge however, don't want to see it happen, because they know what the answer will be!
Oh, big rough and tough realist oooooooh! Whats wrong with wanting something better? I am a realist and an Idealist, I am not a sheep who disempowers himself by saying "Oh thats just the way it is."
no. since when do the rest of us have efficient govt-issued polls? in the american census that occurs every 10 years, only 67% have answered. and this is in america where there's internet, phones, and better postal system. not so much in china where there are still some rural areas. if theres a census in china, it'd only reach the rich, who would be supportive of the government. so yes, of course china knows what the answer is if a poll/census were given out. youre just a kid with an imagination
since when have i said democracy doesnt work. i'm pro-democratic. i'm just saying a govt-issued poll wouldnt work in china. and as for democracy, that doesnt work in china, partly because of family values in china. there's more of an importance and emphasis on working for the benefit of all, rather than benefit for oneself. confucian values regard merchants as bad for society because they work for money but not society. not that i agree with him, but 1 billion people do in china
again, i admire your creativity with the whole community thing in small towns. not that it's wrong or anything, but china's been pulling off communism pretty well too. why change something that works? especially if what you're changing it too conflicts with traditional societal values in china?
Confusianism is promoted because, it holds a hierarchial beleif (where everyone has a defined position) and because it allows CCP/People On Top to shame people into "playing their part"
China has not been pulling off communism, China is capitalist, under the guise of communist. Honestly, why are their people driving Ferraris in Beijing while people starve, if it is communist? I think China/Chinese people have too much pride to admit that Communism has been a failure in China, and The World.
ferrari's in beijing? you must be dreaming because everytime i've visited there, i've never seen a single ferrari. there's also more homeless/starving in NY and toronto than beijing dude... you should try traveling
More homeless and starving in NY and Toronto? Really? But I thought you said it was impossible/inconvenient to do a poll/vote in China. Or do you just assume that CCP is letting you in on the whole picture like they did with The Sichuan quakes, the Tibet protests during the Olympics, The avian flu, Sanlu milk, and the Tianenmen Square Massacre?
did i mention a poll? no, i didnt. i'm talking from experience and from my own eyes. of all the places i've been to in the US, china, and overseas, beijing has considerably lower homeless. and just because there's a ferrari distributor in china, doesnt mean ppl can afford it. see you base too much shit on theory but not reality. i have not seen a single ferrari in beijing. you have good creativity but you dont think shit through
No but you said there are less homeless, but how do you really know? Where you searching for homeless people, or did you just not remember them? My father, and cousin have seen Lamborguinis, Ferraris, and Rollss in Beijing, Shanghai, and Changchun.
Sounds like a really fucked up business plan...selling products in a place where nobody can afford it. You think Ferrari/Maserati would have done some "market research." before they set up a 2 story dealership...
there's a ferrari dealership in kuwait, as well as one in mexico. does that mean there are a lot of buyers there? big companies like ferrari and nike set up all over the world to make them seem bigger and more global
again, you don't think shit through.
i've actually been to bejing, and yes i saw with my own eyes, no homeless, no ferraris. god you're dumb. i think i have more say than you since i've actually been to beijing and lhasa, whereas your only argument is "a little birdie told me so."
No rich people in Kuwait or Mexico? There are rich people in Kuwait and Mexico, but they are Capitalist, whereas China is supposedly Communist, so their should be NO rich people by law.
Sorry buddy, but I trust my father an cousin much more than I trust some pro-CCP stooge on the internet.
I would go to Lhasa (beijing is too dirty for me) but I wouldn't be allowed to do anything but a guided tour, and I don't want to wasted my holiday soaking up CCP lies from the tour guides.
since when did i say there werent rich ppl in kuwait in mexico, and since when did i say i was pro-CCP? jeez, you make way too much assumptions and false accusations for a 19 yr old. like i said before, i'm pro-capitalism. just not for china.
and do you even understand communism? china is socialist, which is the stepping stone to communism. there are classes in socialist societies, but you know that the number of chinese upper class is rising faster than ANYWHERE else in the world? you can be born poor but become rich in china. socialism means youre not trapped in one class. alth i dont think china will ever achieve true communism, socialism is working alright for them
so wat do you think china has to gain by changing to capitalism?
CCP= Chinese COMMUNIST party. Sure I'm sure you can technically become rich, but in reality the factory owners take advantage of the country folk, keep the factory next to the kitchen next to the dormitory. These people send all their money home, to the country, and keep their minimum wage jobs (if the economy's ok).
Sure the upperclass is rising, but China is the most populated country in the world.
The middle class, precentage-wise is growing faster, which leads to instability.
to me the west is no better jackrowet1234, just the perceived appears 'better', ye the house are not next to the factory, anymore...but once they where and not that long ago either...still like that someplaces,
Yea, but if the government wants to build a factory next to my house, I can protest it, argue it, take it to court, and have a chance to voice my concern, and possibly stop it, WITHOUT being arrested. And even if I was arrested, I wouldn't be in prison for more than 4 months (if I actually get charged), if I get abused by police, I can charge the police with assault, take them to court .ect.
Ofcourse the system's not perfect, but its my duty as a citizen to improve it, for others.
I hear what you say jackrowet1234 though it isn't most peoples reality in the west , or east .
unless you have money you have no power, sure they say you have in the west though many folks myself included have had rights denied... on quite a regular basis.
that would be the general consensus the media want belived , though -the reality (in my experience at least) is that the people of every country are being trodden on by the powers that be.
Doesn't appear to matter what the politics in any particular country are either....
@djmisplacedmarblesTV I agree. All I am saying is the methods differ. 1984 versus Brave New World. However, neither of these can last forever. One, will be destroyed via violence like bursting a pimple, the other via gradual change, lancing and sterilizing.
Personally, I think that gradual pushing of information will have less chance of setting up the same kind of system that we try to replace. Whereas violent revolution, usually/always puts abusive people in charge.
China has little to gain by changing to capitalism (if it already hasn't, which is up for debate) China has alot to gain by repecting human rights, Chinese, Tibetan, everyone.
China can change its image from a polluted country that makes cheap shit, with an oppressive government, to a great nation that prides itself on its philosphy, cusine, martial arts, and respect for human rights, and the environment. We just need proof, in order to be taken seriously, and free press is a good start.
that's all western propaganda. it's all true, but western propaganda highlights these issues and makes them seem worse than they actually are. china is an industralizing country. of course it's going to have pollution, just like any other western country during the industrial revolution. no surprise there. china doesnt have the technology for clean industry. but you need to industrialize before you modernize. even US and britain had smog at one point. as for human rights, what about US GITMO?
I understand, GITMO is fucked, and plenty of people made it an issue, so that was the first thing Obama did away with (whether this means and end to torture remains to be seen), but China can't give the West any ammunition, for their propaganda. Restricting free press especially sends up a huge red flag and shows they have something to hide.
The difference with China industrializing, is the sheer size. We didn't really care about pollution until we saw it on a large scale.
China can't make the mistakes we made when we industrilized, because it so large. What needs to be done, is for China to make a leap of faith into green energy, and human rights, regardless of what it does to (foreign) business. Essencially, China needs to stop catering to foreign business, who encourage bad behavior, and take care of its own people, and spend time developing itself WITH the west, as opposed to LIKE the west (did).
as for internet censorship, what about that time when some kid made a fake online news article on bush getting arrested in canada, then the site gets "shut down". google: bush arrested canada. you were only 14 when this fake article was published. you probably didn't even know
so just saying, pollution, censorship, human rights abuses occur in all countries. western propaganda just likes to make it look worse in china than anywhere else, leaving out the issues in the US and europe
so no matter what china tries to do to increase its international appeal, there'll always be state-sponsored anti-chinese propaganda all around the world
Please read real HISTORY. Not Chinese government's History book as a tool to keep fooling common Chinese people...... Those history book will be judged when, Chinese people will have TRUE FREEDOM. Freedom of expression to all...... freedom of open media....... Not Government propaganda..... Wake up, Chinese Gov..... You are not Representing True Chinse
People like you still think that China is isolated from the rest of the world, that the people that live there are brainwashed "Red Guards". Well all of what you think is wrong, come have a visit in China, it will be completely different from what you think right now.
-Opium was the cause of a weak monarchical government? Opium addiction didn't penetrate further than port cities...
-PRC was formed "around 1950's"?!?! *COUGH, October 1, 1949, COUGH*
Tibetan culture aside (good or bad), don't turn attention away from the central issue: the very destruction, repression and disappearance of Tibetan people and their culture.
Why post such a crappy video with crappy wording and crappy grammar and spelling? "Ethnical" and "graphical" are not words.
I recently watched the movie "Seven Years in Tibet" with Brad Pitt... something of a contradiction of what is said here. Not disputing... just an observation.
But why do chinese eat dog ???? that no good. dog friend...Grundy Like dog...but Chinaman like to eat dog....Grundy no like Chinaman....GRUNDY SMASH CHINAMAN!!!!!!!
hey JBXyooj , are you wearing western clothes?. writing by a pen invented by western?. do you have a TV, car, motorcycle, phone, computer?...you name them...they are all invented by westerners. So what do you think?. are you a pure Asian?.
Among "Tibet independence" advocates are those who participated in the imperialist invasion of Tibet, and former serf-owners who cruelly oppressed the Tibetan people.
They have published a number of articles and books distorting the history of Tibet, and their arguments are patently groundless.
i saw was that clip of that peaceful tibetan agressing the girl in a wheel chair and the french choose to let the tibetan go ahead so the world would see his religion and his values... the girls stronger spirit prevailed
For those who think this is propagand, attribute this mindset to your biased media as well. They have lead you to believe china is plain evil and untrustworthy. That's why most of you automatically start to sympathise "Tibetans" without any thoughts
if u do me a favor where u get all these facts from. i dont know which side you r on, which i really dont mind as long as it is the truth. i wanna believe on ur post, but somehow i m reading some of ur fact being not true. "Little knowlege is dangerous"
They are available from numerous hard-copy books. What the media tell you must be biased. Trying to cram all relavant information into a 30-minute program alone makes it necessarily slective; Thus they lie by omission, i.e. propaganda. In addition, when you hear of these stories, how do you know if it's the truth or merely the reporter's opinion? Argue that these media are independent. Ok, independent of whom? They must be independet in one way or another.
so you think you are not a little knowlege man? as i see, he is telling the truth without choosing any sides. so, how do you know something you are reading is not writen by baised people?
Hey. Know what's funny? Our comments won't be deleted or need approval. But our video responses do need approval. I thought that the person who made this video was not biased.
I agree. China is a country that values human rights. As you see in this video. It's only a matter of time untill China removes North Korea's leader from power so the North Koreans can enjoy the same free life South korea has. After all. Tibet is free because of China and North Korea is no different than how Dalai Lama was. I'm pretty sure China will one day liberate North korea.
The joke of our time is that a former slave owner in the form of DL has been rewarded the Nobel peace prize for spreading a lie: although DL has always talked about religious freedom and tolerance, but in reality he has been conducting a little religious persercusion of his own. Look for Dorje sugden here on youtube.
The people who is teaching the world of morality nowadays are the same people who is guilty of enslaving the world, genocide and the use of WMD in anger. How nice.
This might be a little one sided, but the fact here is that the Dalai Lama has acutally used violence in the past against the Chinese and when that failed he lost his power and has fled to India and has since tried to retain that power.
Both sides (The PRC and Tibetan Government in exile) have without a doubt made up false accusations of one another and the West has decided which stance they would take a long time ago (The CIA has supported and funded exiled Tibetan since under Chinese rule).
USA and other western countries need to realise. Just like how they have national security China needs its national security too.
USA is girt by sea. It has good relations with it only neighbour: Canada. Canada has good agricultural advantages over USA and provides USA with food trades. They have good relationships. USA is as safe as it can get.
China is not surrendered by oceans. It can't afford to have Tibet "controled" by another country, able to attack China.
propaganda my ass. you're a n00b. no one is calling it evidence. my video is trying to show if both sides of the story. not just one sider bullshit from the western media. Tibet's "poor" isn't the point there were slaves. Buddhism is fine. if you watched my vid you would know China has nothing against buddism. Tibetan Buddism is very much different to buddism. if you read the other comments people have made you would. Simple things in life = mutilation, torture?
Im sorry to break it to you but there were no slaves or torture in Tibet,its chinese propaganda to justify an occupation of land worth trillions of dollars in oil.If there was,why would the Tibetan people be so desperate to have H H Dalai Lama return to power?
It is good of you to share both sides of the story, it give westerners an insight into the mentality of the normal chinese citizen and shows why we can't blame them for their governments actions.
Propaganda, showing a picture of a man who has lost a hand and calling it evidence that Tibetans cut off the limbs of wrong doers.
Im not Tibetan but I do follow their religion. The fact is Tibet was poor before China invaded, but it was because they wanted to be poor. Buddhism is all about enjoying the simple things in life, against greed for money etc. China has removed Tibetans right to be poor, to be buddhist, to their farm land, and to their freedom to speak out against their occupiers.
China hasn't removed any rights. They can still be poor if they want you. removing freedom? Occupiers? You shouldn't comment if you don't know anything about Tibet. "Free Tibet" is just a media slogan to destabilise China.
"fact is Tibet was poor before China invaded, but it was because they wanted to be poor."
Lol... if the West and the world believed in a thing called human rights abuses, allowing the people of a country to become poor and falling below the poverty line is a violation of human rights.
You miss VII-XIIth cent, victories of Songtsen Gampo, conquest of Chiiang, treaty of friendship 821 ad, XII to XVII both China and Tibet under mongols. Ex 1911 Tibet again independent. U forget destructions,tortures, arrests, the Laogai camps, the public executions ? Yongkhang says there are 200-300 pop revolts per day!Colonialism was bad and so is Chinese colonialism in Tibet today. Media doesnt talk of communist crimes as capitalists make money with communists. Yours is a totally biased view.
But I still don't think that Tibet should be under the control of the Peoples Republic of China, for the fact that it is Socialist!!!!!
I am a big fan of Capitalism, and Tibet should be a seperate country as long as it doesn't have slaves.....Let em choose their own government. If they choose Socialist or Communist government....o well we tried, let China rule em.
However I still fell China should not rule Tibet.
I'm not sure about some of your facts there but I totally agree with your general argument. Tibet would have ended up like Burma or some other warring country if it didn't become part of China.
The ONLY reason that the free Tibet movement is hot is because of the Olympics. But seriously China wouldn't even think about giving in to that BS.
Based on the articles that i read "Tibetan Buddhism" are different from other buddahism. Tibetan monks can eat meat and have sex, oh...thats sick, i wonder whether they can have wives or not.
Commie Pigs.Now U confess there were feudal lords in China.What China does with f**king Chinese don't concern Tibet.Tibet was never part of China.Tibet could be part of Mongol lords yes but they don't claim. Also we have more cultural and religious relationship with them.We have many Mongolian abbots in Tibet. Slavery or no slavery Tibet for Tibetans and China out of Tibet. Mind your f**king business in Beijing not in Lhasa. FREE TIBET. FREE UYGHUR
it's funny how US claims Both Tibet AND Mongolia are part of China when they thought the nationalist China (which would listen to the US like a puppet) would win. But when Communist won. "ohhhh Tibet is not part of China... Free Tibet... yeah..."
China will win through. and not be slaves to the US. US should mind it's own business and not invade iraq and kill innocent people for oil.
Also, you mention the Uyghurs. Maybe you should also mention how they want greater autonomy from PRC as well. How come so many people want independence from PRC?
States don't demand independence from USA. England gave Ireland their independence when they wanted it, same with India.
I apologize for asking so many questions. YouTube is certainly no way to carry on a discussion as complicated as this.
yes, there are tibetans and uyghurs seeking independence but how many of them? look at the 'free tibet' movement, there are more white people shouting out 'free tibet' than real tibetans!
p.s. look at those tibetans who seek for independence, many of them have never ever been to tibet! majority of the tibet exiles are the from the 5% superior class! does it make sense to u?
Yes, "states" don't demand independence, but Tibet isn't trying to declare independence either, its like a small minority IN TIBET that wants independence and they're getting some attention because of the olympics.
Another thing is you mention what a terrible slave master the Dalai Lama was before the PLA liberation of Tibet. However, if he was so awful, why wasn't he punished? Wasn't he living in Tibet for almost a decade after the liberation? Didn't he meet with Mao?
hehe, Dalai lama also said he wanted to join the communist party!!
honestly, i can't help liking him even he's such a hypocrite!
back to the 1950s, he was appointed a title in the government as well. he can not be punished because he is seen as the reincarnation of Buddha! he is in fact being respected by many tibetans even nowadays.. the idea of 'living God' is really ridiculous for me but anyhow, u can't punish God, can u? the government had to respect the tibetan culture...
I don't know why the PRC is so hard on the Dalai Lama. He was only 15 years old when the PLA invaded. Can you imagine being 15 years old and inheriting Tibet with Chinese soldiers on your doorstep? Even then he was willing to work with the PRC until he could no longer tolerate the oppression of his people and a popular uprising occurred, sending him into exile.
PRC would be better off bringing the Dalai Lama back and working with Tibetans instead of forcing doctrines on them.
Dalai Lama himself oppresses the majority (aka 95%) of the Tibetans.
He was not okay with the other 55 ethnic groups in China oppressing the almighty Brahman caste. That's all! He doesn't give a damn about the other castes being oppressed. China freed the rest of the castes by limiting the powers of the Brahman caste. (They were allowed to kill or mutilate any other castes without reason and now they can't.) I hardly think that's bad.
He was 15 years old and wasn't coronated until the PLA invaded Tibet, so how was he an oppressor? If he was such an oppressor, why did Mao give him a title and invite him to chat in Beijing after the invasion?
The Dalai Lama doesn't want to be king of Tibet, or even free Tibet from China ... he only seeks greater control by Tibetans over their own internal affairs.
He did not have to do much. If you're the head of the Brahman caste, and you're considered a living god, I assure you there are plenty of oppressions done for him without him trying. Even though he may not have been able to stop the actions of the adults who regard him as a living god, He is still responsible for what happened in his name. The hands of the Brahman caste is stained with blood. I don't see how you can see that fact in India but fail to make the connection when it's Tibet.
I hate to break it to you, but you're wrong. I AM Chinese, raised in a Buddhist society. Don't even pretend you know more about Chinese than I do, because that's BS. It's ridiculous for an outsider to march in and pretend he's the expert on my culture.
That being said, the MAJORITY of Buddhists do not have caste systems, but DALAI LAMA's sec, DOES have a caste system that's directly evolved from the Indian system.
I can't post links on youtube, but I'll make it easy for you. Go to your best friend Google, and type in Tibetan caste system. You will find multiple links and studies on their caste systems, as well as information on how the upper caste treats the lower castes.
You do your research, then come back to tell me there are no caste systems. People should really Google before making stupid statements.
"... various forms of the caste system are practised in several Buddhist countries, mainly in Sri Lanka, Tibet, and Japan where butchers, leather and metal workers and janitors are sometimes regarded as being impure. However, the system in these countries has never been either as severe or as rigid as the Hindu system ..."
-Malalasekera, G.P. and Jayatilleke, K.N. Buddhism and the Race Question UNESCO, 1968.
If internet webpages can't sway you to open your eyes to the truth, you can also do your research in your local university's library. You can, also look up: "commoners and nobles: Hereditary Divisions in Tibet" and a number of other books that will correctly point out and analyze the caste system in Tibet that has been going on for thousands of years.
ALL Buddhists don't have caste systems? Why do you think India so readily accepted Dalai? He's a Brahman. It's an honor to have him.
Being as ignorant as you are, I bet you also did not know the Lamas in Tibet, are 1. treated as kings, with Dalai Lama being the living god, 2. eat meat and are not restricted to any normal Buddhist restrictions, 3. sleep with women! How much do you know about the Tibetan lamas? I spent half a year studying them. Exactly how much time did you spend studying Tibetan culture?
I always feel that Tibetan Buddhism is kind of cult like religion. From what you have said, it sounded more so. it is very much against the traditional Buddhist teaching. Thanks.
but still, he and other 5% superior class were punished in the way that CCP set the slaves free and their property were taken and redivided equally to each family...that's what happened everywhere in China.
my grandparents were from landlord family and their property were taken away during that time...
I keep hearing this claim that the Dalai Lama was a slave master. Two points:
1. I have yet to see an unbiased a source for this claim.
2. Even if it was as bad as you say, this does not mean that present-day Tibetans do not have a right to decide their own affairs.
The Dalai Lama is not seeking independence, only greater autonomy. The TAR is autonomous in name only. China would still have control over Tibet's foreign affairs. Please talk with Dalai Lama, Hu Jintao!
1. (not trying to sound rude), have you tried opening your eyes? and looked at any source that isn't the media...
2. China is building schools, hospitals & roads everyday. If China didn't 95% of Tibet wouldn't be educated as they were NO schools in old Tibet. So the people who were educated where the slave masters. oh gee who do you think they will vote for?
On youtube search for "Battim reality check : free tibet?"
1. Um, well, it depends on what you mean by "media". The term encompasses newspapers, books, movies, but is commonly associated just with news. I read the news, I read webpage accounts, etc. Do you have another suggestion?
2. I agree that China is doing a great deal to improve the infrastructure of Tibet. However, I also believe China suppresses the will of the Tibetan people to determine their own domestic affairs and free religious practice.
go with books not newspaper and the other media. I'm not saying those are evil, go in a cave and don't read newspapers. by all means read as much as you can. but know those things are no longer neutral. think for yourself and ask yourself those questions 3 questions said in my video. filter information, accept and reject what they are showing you.
"The Chinese are oppressive" - do you consider freeing over 95% of Tibetans from slavery, building a state of the art infrastructure, and a new economy oppressive?
"The Chinese suppress Tibetan Buddhism" - then why have the Chinese spent a fortune restoring ancient monasteries and places of religious significance?
new economy. enough said. instead of working for nothing they now get real jobs. ones that pays they can sell things in their markets and have a future. a future for their children.
I don't deny that PRC is making significant efforts to improve the quality of life in Tibet. However, I question why the monasteries would have to be restored in the first place had they not been destroyed and looted during the cultural revolution.
We spend too much time talking about the past tho. The important question is, why do Tibetans protest now? Why is the Dalai Lama still in exile? Where is the Panchen Lama chosen by Dalai Lama? There are more important questions in present.
2. I can't deny that Tibet was a backward place before the PLA "liberation" of Tibet, but the fact that the Dalai Lama is kept out of Tibet, the fact that foreign journalists were recently expelled from Tibet, and the continued unrest in Tibet, suggest that People of Tibet are not as happy as the PRC might like us to believe.
No one is advocating Tibet go back to old ways. We only encourage, before anything else, an open dialogue b/t the Tibetan Gov't in Exile & PRC.
contd. land lords. Tibetan Buddhism is not accepting other religion not true. We have Tibetan molems and mosque in Lhasa, they were allotted land by the 5th Dalai Lama. Regards to ethnics Tibetans are suspicious of Chinese design to convert Tibet into China. For your information Dalai Lama was born in a remote village in Amdo bordering Xinkiang, not in a noble family. Pre 1950 there were no foreign power in Tibet, Dalai Lama is choosen by the people of Tibet. Mao has no right to invade Tibet.
U R not lying but obliterating the facts. Map don't show whole Tibet parts of Kham and Amdo where recent uprising took place. Qing Dynasty have feudal slave system like British. British invaded Tibet not Bhutan. I am glad you agree Tibet gained freedom when last Amban was kicked out of Tibet in 1913-1914 and Simla Convention took place. Feudal Government existed typical at the period of time in history to borrow your words even in RUSSIA before 1910 revolution, they have Dachas and(to be contd)
"I am going to tell you some facts", you write. Oh dear, there are more distortions than "facts" here. I believe the media - Chinese and worldwide both - always have an agenda in their reporting, and the subject of Tibet is not going to be an exception to this rule. But my own support for Tibetan freedom began 20 years ago, at the urging of Tibetans I met in Tibet. I don't watch "The Simpsons" and I don't know what "Lisa" is.
The pictures that are too graphic to show should be showed if it reveals Dalai Lama for who he is. What I can't figure out is why the Tibetans rise against CCP and put on these anti China demonstrations? All Tibetans should really have to do is watch this video above and this video alone should be enough to convince Tibetans that CCP is better for Tibet than Dalai Lama.
Tibetans knows this. If people exactly forked out da money 2 go on a trip 2 Tibet and speak 2 the localz, they will tell u how awesome China is. It's only the rest of da world that doesn't know. The media is only showing a bunch of CIA paid Tibetans rioting or Monks who lost their slave privileges dissing China.
I urge every1 2 go 2 Tibet and c 4 urself what China has built in Tibet and how happy Tibetans are. Next time u say "free Tibet" first eye gouge ur right eye and cut off ur left foot.
Rioting monks who lost their slave privileges? Back before 1950 when Dalai Lama (DickHead Lama) was in power, I assume it was the monks who had alot of slaves. And if I do go to China again, I would like to visit Tibet. along with Hong Kong.
The Dali Lama himself say Tibet is part of China and he just want autonomy. So I don't understand why people are still disputing if Tibet is part of China.
tsetop you are really being biased. you are ignoring every single logical comment people have made and you are just changing the subject everytime. The only person you are fooling is yourself. DO SOME RESEARCH.
If China let media run around, CIA insurgents would fabricate VERY provocative BS stories. Which will lead to more brainless people like you to hate China. and to WWIII.
China is letting everyone in the world visit every inch of Tibet to see for themselves. Not BSing Media.
17 indenpendent medias were allowed into tibet, they knew the riot was lead by Dalai Lama and his follows, but the medias just not to show this. Search 'James Reynold' in Youtube(or watch?v=jNu3QGKyd-0), you will know the reason why you think China is hiding, which is actually not true. I won't say you are biased, but I am afraid you were cheated by your media. Sometimes it is better to watch CCTV9 to hear another voice to tell the same story.
China is changing rapidly, there are many problems happening, including human rights issues. However, the so called 'Free Tibet' movement is not about human rights. And the phrase of 'human right' is ruining by 'Free Tibet' in this two months, at least I think so, unfortunately.
Well China has alot to hide. It seems to me that every person either supports China's media and hates western media, either that they hate Chinese media and like western media. I believe that China's media is biased in ways the western media isn't and at the same time the western media is biased in ways China's media isn't. Nothing is black and white. Everything has alot of grey in it. But when it boils down to it, Tibet will always be part of China. PLA will never leave Tibet. It's unfortunate.
The Dali Lama himself say Tibet is part of China and he just want autonomy. So I don't understand why people are still disputing if Tibet is part of China.
You just changed the subject! what happened to the 1 in 5 bs you pulled out of your ass? and now more bs with no reference.
The problem with YOU is that you don't know anything about China or Tibet and you're just passing slogans offered by mass media.
For the LAST time what does Mao have to do with Tibet? I understand Mao prolly screwed you over so you have some kind of personal retard vendetta against him but what does it have to do with Tibet.
You post a video claiming all kinds of facts with absolutely no references. Any sensible can see the deception and deciet in your post...and you are attacking me?????
Like you there are countless others whose communist masters have convinced you all to belive in your own propaganda.
tsetop, i dont know what race u r, but if a native goes to ur house and says give me my land back would give ur house to him? or wud u mock him flie rice? i think u have a very distorted view of the chinese ppl as a whole, and saying mao ze dong killed 70 million ppl with a population of 400 million back in his days is just bs data. i think wen u kill 1 in 5 ppl, the other 4 would surely notice, instead of waiting for some nut job from another country to tell them so
Tibet was more Free in HISTORY THAN china ever was, a lot of Chinese point to the Yuan Dynasty which was not Chinese but MONGOLS!!!!!
As for Mao Tse-tung read the book by Jung Chang called 'the unknown story of Mao' also read the comments made by members of Mao's family and colleagues like:Cao Yun-shan,Li Na,Zeng Zhi,Goa Liang,Lu Min and hundreds of others!!!!!
The problem with a lot of Chinese is their major source of information comes from CCTV and the communist Chinese state.
i live in australia mate, i dont have access to cctv, i learn my history from my own understanding of the world and many sources. im an ethnic manchurian, yet i feel im as chinese as a han, and qing dynasty certainly controlled tibet, our emperor was their grand buddha. and as to ur mao's killing figures, i can only reput in that my family in china, none of them died under mao, thus i dun see how u got 1/5 of the population died. maybe u've been reading obviously biased history books.
No single leader is perfect. No one said Mao is. Some view him as a hero others a tyrant. Regardless he has done many good things for China. Mao is no longer the leader of China so this is OFF TOPIC. You are just trying to change the subject.
Gallipoli, ANZACS died under bad leadership. yeah, but still we commemorate the memories of the fallen EVERY year. I'm not pro China. I'm pro commen sense! How is it propaganda if everyting I put up is true? I would delete anti China comments if I was biased. I'm trying to give the world a view of both sides. If US tries to break China up there will be a war and Australia may or may not fol
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forget about wateva dynasty u talking about...forget about Free Tibet. Tibet don't want to be freed, Tibet wants to save their Identy and culture. I can make exactly same movie with how Communist china tortured their own people. we know you bull shit...cut the crap and closed this comment. Nice sound track tho! keep it up...Don't loose your hope, stick to ur guts. Bhod gyalo
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meindrukbhuk88 7 months ago
fuck the communists. fuck Mao.
10stringGuitarist 9 months ago
To call that an MTV attempt at mindf*ck is waaaay too demeaning to MTV.
That's my opinion.
Try collage.
Or books.
wrongeld41ify 11 months ago
To call that an MTV attempt at mindfuck is waaaay too demeaning to MTV.
That's my opinion.
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wrongeld41ify 11 months ago
unless you dont know this, america spent 100 years expanding and clawing west to acheive its level of security, and a few horrible wars to keep its national soveirgnty. unlike you aussies who were handed independence we fought for ours. and now you decide to criticize the us for something britain and france have been doing for 400 years? do you not get that the chinese actually like us and trade with us so stop trying to start an anti-us crusade asshole.
gobabygo90809 1 year ago
lmao good work with the dramatic music.but very strange video.where did you get your facts from?2000 years good relation?tibet and china?tibet attacked china on several occasions throughout 7th to 9th century.tibet took over the chinese capital,the chinese emperor at that time wed his daughter to the tibetan king to mend relations.princess wencheng was 13 years old.oh and tibet was under the mongol empire/yuan and manchu empire/qing,otherwise china never ruled tibet.
TerakuOimikado 1 year ago
Qu'il fait bon de vivre en Chine ;o)
Le régime autorise-t-il un référendum des tibétains, pour le droit à l'autodétermination du Tibet ?
Le régime censure-t-il Facebook, Youtube, etc ?
La presse est-elle libre ?
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sageunr 2 years ago
Tibet framed themselves that they are monks that dont eat meat and they dont deal with drugs...whatever O.O liarpoototoes.. How many animals have you killed?what are you guys seen doing drugs?.... If its not true...
why would my parents+grandparents have to repeat themselves everyday? [about the story].
Those people who are not CHINESE/ASIAN. and those people who are trying to argue that they know better Fuck off. you know nothing... mind your own culture. you know none.
oouioouio 3 years ago
shawnchong, you commented just about some tiny thing, useless i meant. And it's easy to understand what he meant.
jackrowet123456789 do you believe me if I say that your father is not your father? Don't you understand why I ask you such question? Can you tell us the real History? thanks
HanTraditionsRulz 3 years ago
Sorry, 25% percent in major industrial cities, should have been more clear. Either way, massive expansions to the armed forces in the middle of world financial crisis tells you that the people on top are getting scared. Some places in Sichuan, police are too afraid to wear their uniforms, for fear of being attacked by unemployed CHINESE workers.
jackrowet1234 3 years ago
The Chinese government rewrote history just like the Nazis, and the Soviets. YOU CANNOT HAVE RELIABLE SOURCES IN A TOTALITARIAN STATE, LIKE CHINA. If the government were actually confident in they're history and policies, they wouldn't have to silence dissent. China's on the brink of revolution anyways. with unemployment at 25%, the people are realize how hard they are being fucked by the CCP.
jackrowet1234 3 years ago
yeah yeah any government would have some form of censorship, it's the method that's different. however i suggest that you don't pull statistics our of your ass. 25% is a ridiculous number
cuongdgmv 3 years ago
why does the CCP heavily promote its student to study abroad? They have no control of the education there.
Your argument falls apart right there, that the CCP is "brainwashing teh pplz"
emceemike 2 years ago
Oh but they do have control over the education there/here. There are CCP sponsored schools in my city, that teach CCP education, aswell as English! These places have been the subject of investigation by CSIS...hmmmm...expecially because some of these schools seem to have more staff, than students... espionage as well?
jackrowet1234 2 years ago
The world knows the truth:
Tibet belongs to Tibetans and they don't want to be part of China.
Tibet will be free!
ItsoFototo 3 years ago
have you ever been to tibet? no, i thought not. so what makes you think the majority of tibetans dont want to be a part of china? yeah, thats right, the media, the news. so just because some guy on TV told you so, you're going to bandwagon
typical junkie
TechGuyatNY 2 years ago
I haven't been to Tibet, but I have many Tibetan friends. Some of them have recently escaped from Tibet. None of them want Tibet to be part of China.
If the majority of Tibetans want to be part of China, why don't they make a poll to find out? Why does your government not allow world media in Tibet to show how happy Tibetans are under Chinese occupation?
ItsoFototo 2 years ago
I bet your friends have never been to Tibet either. There's a difference between Tibet-born-Tibetans and foreign-born-Tibetans. YOU only know the latter. I have business partners in Tibet and I've been there 5x. There's no abuse or torture, no cultural genocide. Tibetan language can be heard. There's Tibetan writing, restaurants, and clothing shops in the street. Everyone's living just fine. "Free TIbet" is just an exaggeration made up by US to make China look bad and you're buying into their bs
eufaloportugues16 2 years ago
Yea, a vote is a good idea. can they face the truth? Not yet, thats why there hasn't been a vote yet.
jackrowet1234 2 years ago
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ItsoFototo 2 years ago
How about China holds a vote? Then it can be proved! once and for all!
jackrowet1234 2 years ago
if china holds a vote, america's just going to say it's rigged
no point, think about it
TechGuyatNY 2 years ago
Oh really? Thats the only thing holding China back from voting, reputation? Why not let in press during the vote? If this really is about reputation, then let The World see WITH THEIR OWN EYES. Not CCP's point of view.
jackrowet1234 2 years ago
be practical. dont be so naive. so chinese government officials should go door to door knocking and asking ppl to take a poll?
get real and grow up, stop being such an idealist.
TechGuyatNY 2 years ago
Well the rest of us can manage it, I'm sure China can to. The people in charge however, don't want to see it happen, because they know what the answer will be!
Oh, big rough and tough realist oooooooh! Whats wrong with wanting something better? I am a realist and an Idealist, I am not a sheep who disempowers himself by saying "Oh thats just the way it is."
jackrowet1234 2 years ago
no. since when do the rest of us have efficient govt-issued polls? in the american census that occurs every 10 years, only 67% have answered. and this is in america where there's internet, phones, and better postal system. not so much in china where there are still some rural areas. if theres a census in china, it'd only reach the rich, who would be supportive of the government. so yes, of course china knows what the answer is if a poll/census were given out. youre just a kid with an imagination
TechGuyatNY 2 years ago
We have been pulling off Democracy (pretty well) for the last 100 years, way before cell phones, way way before internet, so don't give me that crap.
I'm sure you can arrage something at the local community centre/police station/hospital/post office.
Yup, I imagine a world free from The Babylonians who run this place
jackrowet1234 2 years ago
since when have i said democracy doesnt work. i'm pro-democratic. i'm just saying a govt-issued poll wouldnt work in china. and as for democracy, that doesnt work in china, partly because of family values in china. there's more of an importance and emphasis on working for the benefit of all, rather than benefit for oneself. confucian values regard merchants as bad for society because they work for money but not society. not that i agree with him, but 1 billion people do in china
TechGuyatNY 2 years ago
again, i admire your creativity with the whole community thing in small towns. not that it's wrong or anything, but china's been pulling off communism pretty well too. why change something that works? especially if what you're changing it too conflicts with traditional societal values in china?
TechGuyatNY 2 years ago
Confusianism is promoted because, it holds a hierarchial beleif (where everyone has a defined position) and because it allows CCP/People On Top to shame people into "playing their part"
China has not been pulling off communism, China is capitalist, under the guise of communist. Honestly, why are their people driving Ferraris in Beijing while people starve, if it is communist? I think China/Chinese people have too much pride to admit that Communism has been a failure in China, and The World.
jackrowet1234 2 years ago
ferrari's in beijing? you must be dreaming because everytime i've visited there, i've never seen a single ferrari. there's also more homeless/starving in NY and toronto than beijing dude... you should try traveling
TechGuyatNY 2 years ago
More homeless and starving in NY and Toronto? Really? But I thought you said it was impossible/inconvenient to do a poll/vote in China. Or do you just assume that CCP is letting you in on the whole picture like they did with The Sichuan quakes, the Tibet protests during the Olympics, The avian flu, Sanlu milk, and the Tianenmen Square Massacre?
jackrowet1234 2 years ago
did i mention a poll? no, i didnt. i'm talking from experience and from my own eyes. of all the places i've been to in the US, china, and overseas, beijing has considerably lower homeless. and just because there's a ferrari distributor in china, doesnt mean ppl can afford it. see you base too much shit on theory but not reality. i have not seen a single ferrari in beijing. you have good creativity but you dont think shit through
TechGuyatNY 2 years ago
No but you said there are less homeless, but how do you really know? Where you searching for homeless people, or did you just not remember them? My father, and cousin have seen Lamborguinis, Ferraris, and Rollss in Beijing, Shanghai, and Changchun.
Sounds like a really fucked up business plan...selling products in a place where nobody can afford it. You think Ferrari/Maserati would have done some "market research." before they set up a 2 story dealership...
jackrowet1234 2 years ago
there's a ferrari dealership in kuwait, as well as one in mexico. does that mean there are a lot of buyers there? big companies like ferrari and nike set up all over the world to make them seem bigger and more global
again, you don't think shit through.
i've actually been to bejing, and yes i saw with my own eyes, no homeless, no ferraris. god you're dumb. i think i have more say than you since i've actually been to beijing and lhasa, whereas your only argument is "a little birdie told me so."
TechGuyatNY 2 years ago
No rich people in Kuwait or Mexico? There are rich people in Kuwait and Mexico, but they are Capitalist, whereas China is supposedly Communist, so their should be NO rich people by law.
Sorry buddy, but I trust my father an cousin much more than I trust some pro-CCP stooge on the internet.
I would go to Lhasa (beijing is too dirty for me) but I wouldn't be allowed to do anything but a guided tour, and I don't want to wasted my holiday soaking up CCP lies from the tour guides.
jackrowet1234 2 years ago
since when did i say there werent rich ppl in kuwait in mexico, and since when did i say i was pro-CCP? jeez, you make way too much assumptions and false accusations for a 19 yr old. like i said before, i'm pro-capitalism. just not for china.
TechGuyatNY 2 years ago
and do you even understand communism? china is socialist, which is the stepping stone to communism. there are classes in socialist societies, but you know that the number of chinese upper class is rising faster than ANYWHERE else in the world? you can be born poor but become rich in china. socialism means youre not trapped in one class. alth i dont think china will ever achieve true communism, socialism is working alright for them
so wat do you think china has to gain by changing to capitalism?
TechGuyatNY 2 years ago
CCP= Chinese COMMUNIST party. Sure I'm sure you can technically become rich, but in reality the factory owners take advantage of the country folk, keep the factory next to the kitchen next to the dormitory. These people send all their money home, to the country, and keep their minimum wage jobs (if the economy's ok).
Sure the upperclass is rising, but China is the most populated country in the world.
The middle class, precentage-wise is growing faster, which leads to instability.
jackrowet1234 2 years ago
to me the west is no better jackrowet1234, just the perceived appears 'better', ye the house are not next to the factory, anymore...but once they where and not that long ago either...still like that someplaces,
djmisplacedmarblesTV 2 years ago
Yea, but if the government wants to build a factory next to my house, I can protest it, argue it, take it to court, and have a chance to voice my concern, and possibly stop it, WITHOUT being arrested. And even if I was arrested, I wouldn't be in prison for more than 4 months (if I actually get charged), if I get abused by police, I can charge the police with assault, take them to court .ect.
Ofcourse the system's not perfect, but its my duty as a citizen to improve it, for others.
jackrowet1234 2 years ago
I hear what you say jackrowet1234 though it isn't most peoples reality in the west , or east .
unless you have money you have no power, sure they say you have in the west though many folks myself included have had rights denied... on quite a regular basis.
money is power, great if you have it ...
djmisplacedmarblesTV 2 years ago
@djmisplacedmarblesTV
True, CCP keeps people in line with violence, whereas western government keep people in line with cushy lifestyles.
jackrowet1234 2 years ago
@jackrowet1234 .
that would be the general consensus the media want belived , though -the reality (in my experience at least) is that the people of every country are being trodden on by the powers that be.
Doesn't appear to matter what the politics in any particular country are either....
djmisplacedmarblesTV 2 years ago
@djmisplacedmarblesTV I agree. All I am saying is the methods differ. 1984 versus Brave New World. However, neither of these can last forever. One, will be destroyed via violence like bursting a pimple, the other via gradual change, lancing and sterilizing.
Personally, I think that gradual pushing of information will have less chance of setting up the same kind of system that we try to replace. Whereas violent revolution, usually/always puts abusive people in charge.
jackrowet1234 2 years ago
China has little to gain by changing to capitalism (if it already hasn't, which is up for debate) China has alot to gain by repecting human rights, Chinese, Tibetan, everyone.
China can change its image from a polluted country that makes cheap shit, with an oppressive government, to a great nation that prides itself on its philosphy, cusine, martial arts, and respect for human rights, and the environment. We just need proof, in order to be taken seriously, and free press is a good start.
jackrowet1234 2 years ago
that's all western propaganda. it's all true, but western propaganda highlights these issues and makes them seem worse than they actually are. china is an industralizing country. of course it's going to have pollution, just like any other western country during the industrial revolution. no surprise there. china doesnt have the technology for clean industry. but you need to industrialize before you modernize. even US and britain had smog at one point. as for human rights, what about US GITMO?
TechGuyatNY 2 years ago 2
I understand, GITMO is fucked, and plenty of people made it an issue, so that was the first thing Obama did away with (whether this means and end to torture remains to be seen), but China can't give the West any ammunition, for their propaganda. Restricting free press especially sends up a huge red flag and shows they have something to hide.
The difference with China industrializing, is the sheer size. We didn't really care about pollution until we saw it on a large scale.
jackrowet1234 2 years ago
China can't make the mistakes we made when we industrilized, because it so large. What needs to be done, is for China to make a leap of faith into green energy, and human rights, regardless of what it does to (foreign) business. Essencially, China needs to stop catering to foreign business, who encourage bad behavior, and take care of its own people, and spend time developing itself WITH the west, as opposed to LIKE the west (did).
jackrowet1234 2 years ago
as for internet censorship, what about that time when some kid made a fake online news article on bush getting arrested in canada, then the site gets "shut down". google: bush arrested canada. you were only 14 when this fake article was published. you probably didn't even know
so just saying, pollution, censorship, human rights abuses occur in all countries. western propaganda just likes to make it look worse in china than anywhere else, leaving out the issues in the US and europe
TechGuyatNY 2 years ago
so no matter what china tries to do to increase its international appeal, there'll always be state-sponsored anti-chinese propaganda all around the world
TechGuyatNY 2 years ago
Well state sponsored propaganda doesn't stand up, if the people of the state are free to travel in China, and report from China.
jackrowet1234 2 years ago
I'm not 19 BTW, this is a shared account. Saying that Bush got arrested is slander, and is an abuse of free speach.
jackrowet1234 2 years ago
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jackrowet1234 2 years ago
Please read real HISTORY. Not Chinese government's History book as a tool to keep fooling common Chinese people...... Those history book will be judged when, Chinese people will have TRUE FREEDOM. Freedom of expression to all...... freedom of open media....... Not Government propaganda..... Wake up, Chinese Gov..... You are not Representing True Chinse
tibet9 3 years ago
People like you still think that China is isolated from the rest of the world, that the people that live there are brainwashed "Red Guards". Well all of what you think is wrong, come have a visit in China, it will be completely different from what you think right now.
XCh1dor1X 3 years ago
-Opium was the cause of a weak monarchical government? Opium addiction didn't penetrate further than port cities...
-PRC was formed "around 1950's"?!?! *COUGH, October 1, 1949, COUGH*
Tibetan culture aside (good or bad), don't turn attention away from the central issue: the very destruction, repression and disappearance of Tibetan people and their culture.
Why post such a crappy video with crappy wording and crappy grammar and spelling? "Ethnical" and "graphical" are not words.
shawnchong 3 years ago
How can I trust a video that has fact after fact wrong?
-Since when is the 12th century, "1300ish"? 12th century is 1100-1199.
-She is referring to the Yuan Dynasty period, which is Ghenghis Khan - does the rest of what he invaded at that time also belong to China?
-The Qing Dynasty is when a "dude named Qing" ruled?! One dude ruled for 268 years, from 1644 to 1912?!?! (There is no one named Qing.)
shawnchong 3 years ago
I recently watched the movie "Seven Years in Tibet" with Brad Pitt... something of a contradiction of what is said here. Not disputing... just an observation.
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Fuck China,FREE SOUTH MONGOLIA,FREE EAST TURKESTAN and TIBET !!!!!
mongolian113 3 years ago
Tibet is already free and have been part of China...like forever. If you want to free something... free Hawaii.
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FreeTheTruth1 3 years ago
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386sky 3 years ago
But why do chinese eat dog ???? that no good. dog friend...Grundy Like dog...but Chinaman like to eat dog....Grundy no like Chinaman....GRUNDY SMASH CHINAMAN!!!!!!!
lodidodi69 3 years ago
ignorant you, Chinese people eat dogs because that is influenced by Korean. get some education.
sb941 3 years ago
hey JBXyooj , are you wearing western clothes?. writing by a pen invented by western?. do you have a TV, car, motorcycle, phone, computer?...you name them...they are all invented by westerners. So what do you think?. are you a pure Asian?.
vuaco2000 3 years ago
It disgust me to see that people of Asian Descent using a White man Ideal/Philosphy such as Communism and Democracy to divide the land of Asia.
Pathetic.
JBXyooj 3 years ago
Why ???
Among "Tibet independence" advocates are those who participated in the imperialist invasion of Tibet, and former serf-owners who cruelly oppressed the Tibetan people.
They have published a number of articles and books distorting the history of Tibet, and their arguments are patently groundless.
ikansee 3 years ago
How about we free Hawaii instead.
gundaman616 3 years ago
i saw was that clip of that peaceful tibetan agressing the girl in a wheel chair and the french choose to let the tibetan go ahead so the world would see his religion and his values... the girls stronger spirit prevailed
awitankoikaw 3 years ago
The "West" is sooo self righteous. China needs to do a better job on PR; the Free Tibet faction got the media's support.
rejo2 3 years ago
WO AI NI ZHONG GUO.
china all the way.
lindyzz 3 years ago
Oops a typo, I meant "they must be dependent".
For those who think this is propagand, attribute this mindset to your biased media as well. They have lead you to believe china is plain evil and untrustworthy. That's why most of you automatically start to sympathise "Tibetans" without any thoughts
liebstandarteadolf 3 years ago
hey the CREATOR OF THIS VIDEO
if u do me a favor where u get all these facts from. i dont know which side you r on, which i really dont mind as long as it is the truth. i wanna believe on ur post, but somehow i m reading some of ur fact being not true. "Little knowlege is dangerous"
Taid112 3 years ago
They are available from numerous hard-copy books. What the media tell you must be biased. Trying to cram all relavant information into a 30-minute program alone makes it necessarily slective; Thus they lie by omission, i.e. propaganda. In addition, when you hear of these stories, how do you know if it's the truth or merely the reporter's opinion? Argue that these media are independent. Ok, independent of whom? They must be independet in one way or another.
liebstandarteadolf 3 years ago
/watch?v=cSH1oWdFeqw&feature=email Here's my video response to this video.
Alias1983 3 years ago
so you think you are not a little knowlege man? as i see, he is telling the truth without choosing any sides. so, how do you know something you are reading is not writen by baised people?
sb941 3 years ago
Hey. Know what's funny? Our comments won't be deleted or need approval. But our video responses do need approval. I thought that the person who made this video was not biased.
Alias1983 3 years ago
I agree. China is a country that values human rights. As you see in this video. It's only a matter of time untill China removes North Korea's leader from power so the North Koreans can enjoy the same free life South korea has. After all. Tibet is free because of China and North Korea is no different than how Dalai Lama was. I'm pretty sure China will one day liberate North korea.
Alias1983 3 years ago
good job putting this video together
jianghzh 3 years ago
Great vid!
The joke of our time is that a former slave owner in the form of DL has been rewarded the Nobel peace prize for spreading a lie: although DL has always talked about religious freedom and tolerance, but in reality he has been conducting a little religious persercusion of his own. Look for Dorje sugden here on youtube.
The people who is teaching the world of morality nowadays are the same people who is guilty of enslaving the world, genocide and the use of WMD in anger. How nice.
weissman2000 3 years ago
This might be a little one sided, but the fact here is that the Dalai Lama has acutally used violence in the past against the Chinese and when that failed he lost his power and has fled to India and has since tried to retain that power.
Both sides (The PRC and Tibetan Government in exile) have without a doubt made up false accusations of one another and the West has decided which stance they would take a long time ago (The CIA has supported and funded exiled Tibetan since under Chinese rule).
extringele 3 years ago
I agree.
USA and other western countries need to realise. Just like how they have national security China needs its national security too.
USA is girt by sea. It has good relations with it only neighbour: Canada. Canada has good agricultural advantages over USA and provides USA with food trades. They have good relationships. USA is as safe as it can get.
China is not surrendered by oceans. It can't afford to have Tibet "controled" by another country, able to attack China.
leaveourwhalesalone 3 years ago
@extringele the CIA would like Tibet to wind up like Vietnam, Korea and other China provinces that seceded and be little bitty helpless countries.
erbeesr 1 year ago
propaganda my ass. you're a n00b. no one is calling it evidence. my video is trying to show if both sides of the story. not just one sider bullshit from the western media. Tibet's "poor" isn't the point there were slaves. Buddhism is fine. if you watched my vid you would know China has nothing against buddism. Tibetan Buddism is very much different to buddism. if you read the other comments people have made you would. Simple things in life = mutilation, torture?
leaveourwhalesalone 3 years ago
Lets not resort to name calling.
Im sorry to break it to you but there were no slaves or torture in Tibet,its chinese propaganda to justify an occupation of land worth trillions of dollars in oil.If there was,why would the Tibetan people be so desperate to have H H Dalai Lama return to power?
It is good of you to share both sides of the story, it give westerners an insight into the mentality of the normal chinese citizen and shows why we can't blame them for their governments actions.
KamikazeKenny81 3 years ago
Propaganda, showing a picture of a man who has lost a hand and calling it evidence that Tibetans cut off the limbs of wrong doers.
Im not Tibetan but I do follow their religion. The fact is Tibet was poor before China invaded, but it was because they wanted to be poor. Buddhism is all about enjoying the simple things in life, against greed for money etc. China has removed Tibetans right to be poor, to be buddhist, to their farm land, and to their freedom to speak out against their occupiers.
KamikazeKenny81 3 years ago
China hasn't removed any rights. They can still be poor if they want you. removing freedom? Occupiers? You shouldn't comment if you don't know anything about Tibet. "Free Tibet" is just a media slogan to destabilise China.
leaveourwhalesalone 3 years ago
"fact is Tibet was poor before China invaded, but it was because they wanted to be poor."
Lol... if the West and the world believed in a thing called human rights abuses, allowing the people of a country to become poor and falling below the poverty line is a violation of human rights.
extringele 3 years ago
You miss VII-XIIth cent, victories of Songtsen Gampo, conquest of Chiiang, treaty of friendship 821 ad, XII to XVII both China and Tibet under mongols. Ex 1911 Tibet again independent. U forget destructions,tortures, arrests, the Laogai camps, the public executions ? Yongkhang says there are 200-300 pop revolts per day!Colonialism was bad and so is Chinese colonialism in Tibet today. Media doesnt talk of communist crimes as capitalists make money with communists. Yours is a totally biased view.
infolaogaiit 3 years ago
I would like to know why is China and India trying to get Tibet?.
They were about to have a war cause of Tibet.
What happened and now ?
It is confusing and is long history.
I only heard about that but I do not know nothing can anyone answer this?
Thank you.
ArmyNavyAirforceGMU 3 years ago
Not very original. Some misconceptions and errors. Propagandist.
zazzazan 3 years ago
it's not you tool. oh when i state some facts you say it's propagandist. and "Free Tibet" isn't. it's so random.
click more info and read the desciption on the side--->
you need to wake up.
leaveourwhalesalone 3 years ago
seemed like chinese propaganda to me
kebo9520 3 years ago
nice vid and argument!
SKULLxSNAPS 3 years ago
well presented info and emotion. i enjoyed your video
richardweekes 3 years ago
Very informative, very nice video.
But I still don't think that Tibet should be under the control of the Peoples Republic of China, for the fact that it is Socialist!!!!!
I am a big fan of Capitalism, and Tibet should be a seperate country as long as it doesn't have slaves.....Let em choose their own government. If they choose Socialist or Communist government....o well we tried, let China rule em.
However I still fell China should not rule Tibet.
t72pwner 3 years ago
what u said was china just help slaves to build their "country" 50ys ago.
ngan87 3 years ago
I'm not sure about some of your facts there but I totally agree with your general argument. Tibet would have ended up like Burma or some other warring country if it didn't become part of China.
The ONLY reason that the free Tibet movement is hot is because of the Olympics. But seriously China wouldn't even think about giving in to that BS.
AP0wnerer 3 years ago 2
Based on the articles that i read "Tibetan Buddhism" are different from other buddahism. Tibetan monks can eat meat and have sex, oh...thats sick, i wonder whether they can have wives or not.
OzJackpot 3 years ago
Good movie!
Takingyouallwithme 3 years ago
Commie Pigs.Now U confess there were feudal lords in China.What China does with f**king Chinese don't concern Tibet.Tibet was never part of China.Tibet could be part of Mongol lords yes but they don't claim. Also we have more cultural and religious relationship with them.We have many Mongolian abbots in Tibet. Slavery or no slavery Tibet for Tibetans and China out of Tibet. Mind your f**king business in Beijing not in Lhasa. FREE TIBET. FREE UYGHUR
tsewangpal3 3 years ago
"Tibet never part of China"? Bullshit!
youtube search "Battle of China"
3:20
it's funny how US claims Both Tibet AND Mongolia are part of China when they thought the nationalist China (which would listen to the US like a puppet) would win. But when Communist won. "ohhhh Tibet is not part of China... Free Tibet... yeah..."
China will win through. and not be slaves to the US. US should mind it's own business and not invade iraq and kill innocent people for oil.
leaveourwhalesalone 3 years ago
leaveourwhales
Yeah US should mind it's own business and not invade Iraq,and it's okay if China is contributing to the genocide in Sudan.
cdalite4u 3 years ago
So your saying the US should free all its conquered territories like Hawaii and the entire West and give the Native Americans control?
AP0wnerer 3 years ago
I see no problem with that.
systemscrash 3 years ago
Also, you mention the Uyghurs. Maybe you should also mention how they want greater autonomy from PRC as well. How come so many people want independence from PRC?
States don't demand independence from USA. England gave Ireland their independence when they wanted it, same with India.
I apologize for asking so many questions. YouTube is certainly no way to carry on a discussion as complicated as this.
Lojikbom 3 years ago
yes, there are tibetans and uyghurs seeking independence but how many of them? look at the 'free tibet' movement, there are more white people shouting out 'free tibet' than real tibetans!
p.s. look at those tibetans who seek for independence, many of them have never ever been to tibet! majority of the tibet exiles are the from the 5% superior class! does it make sense to u?
wanderinginsummer 3 years ago
Yes, "states" don't demand independence, but Tibet isn't trying to declare independence either, its like a small minority IN TIBET that wants independence and they're getting some attention because of the olympics.
AP0wnerer 3 years ago
Another thing is you mention what a terrible slave master the Dalai Lama was before the PLA liberation of Tibet. However, if he was so awful, why wasn't he punished? Wasn't he living in Tibet for almost a decade after the liberation? Didn't he meet with Mao?
Lojikbom 3 years ago
hehe, Dalai lama also said he wanted to join the communist party!!
honestly, i can't help liking him even he's such a hypocrite!
back to the 1950s, he was appointed a title in the government as well. he can not be punished because he is seen as the reincarnation of Buddha! he is in fact being respected by many tibetans even nowadays.. the idea of 'living God' is really ridiculous for me but anyhow, u can't punish God, can u? the government had to respect the tibetan culture...
wanderinginsummer 3 years ago
I don't know why the PRC is so hard on the Dalai Lama. He was only 15 years old when the PLA invaded. Can you imagine being 15 years old and inheriting Tibet with Chinese soldiers on your doorstep? Even then he was willing to work with the PRC until he could no longer tolerate the oppression of his people and a popular uprising occurred, sending him into exile.
PRC would be better off bringing the Dalai Lama back and working with Tibetans instead of forcing doctrines on them.
Lojikbom 3 years ago
Lojikbom,
Dalai Lama himself oppresses the majority (aka 95%) of the Tibetans.
He was not okay with the other 55 ethnic groups in China oppressing the almighty Brahman caste. That's all! He doesn't give a damn about the other castes being oppressed. China freed the rest of the castes by limiting the powers of the Brahman caste. (They were allowed to kill or mutilate any other castes without reason and now they can't.) I hardly think that's bad.
rosalind24 3 years ago
He was 15 years old and wasn't coronated until the PLA invaded Tibet, so how was he an oppressor? If he was such an oppressor, why did Mao give him a title and invite him to chat in Beijing after the invasion?
The Dalai Lama doesn't want to be king of Tibet, or even free Tibet from China ... he only seeks greater control by Tibetans over their own internal affairs.
Lojikbom 3 years ago
He did not have to do much. If you're the head of the Brahman caste, and you're considered a living god, I assure you there are plenty of oppressions done for him without him trying. Even though he may not have been able to stop the actions of the adults who regard him as a living god, He is still responsible for what happened in his name. The hands of the Brahman caste is stained with blood. I don't see how you can see that fact in India but fail to make the connection when it's Tibet.
rosalind24 3 years ago
I hate to tell you this, but you're confusing Hinduism with Buddhism. There is no caste system in Buddhism.
Lojikbom 3 years ago
I hate to break it to you, but you're wrong. I AM Chinese, raised in a Buddhist society. Don't even pretend you know more about Chinese than I do, because that's BS. It's ridiculous for an outsider to march in and pretend he's the expert on my culture.
That being said, the MAJORITY of Buddhists do not have caste systems, but DALAI LAMA's sec, DOES have a caste system that's directly evolved from the Indian system.
rosalind24 3 years ago
I can't post links on youtube, but I'll make it easy for you. Go to your best friend Google, and type in Tibetan caste system. You will find multiple links and studies on their caste systems, as well as information on how the upper caste treats the lower castes.
You do your research, then come back to tell me there are no caste systems. People should really Google before making stupid statements.
rosalind24 3 years ago
I stand corrected.
"... various forms of the caste system are practised in several Buddhist countries, mainly in Sri Lanka, Tibet, and Japan where butchers, leather and metal workers and janitors are sometimes regarded as being impure. However, the system in these countries has never been either as severe or as rigid as the Hindu system ..."
-Malalasekera, G.P. and Jayatilleke, K.N. Buddhism and the Race Question UNESCO, 1968.
Lojikbom 3 years ago
If internet webpages can't sway you to open your eyes to the truth, you can also do your research in your local university's library. You can, also look up: "commoners and nobles: Hereditary Divisions in Tibet" and a number of other books that will correctly point out and analyze the caste system in Tibet that has been going on for thousands of years.
ALL Buddhists don't have caste systems? Why do you think India so readily accepted Dalai? He's a Brahman. It's an honor to have him.
rosalind24 3 years ago
Being as ignorant as you are, I bet you also did not know the Lamas in Tibet, are 1. treated as kings, with Dalai Lama being the living god, 2. eat meat and are not restricted to any normal Buddhist restrictions, 3. sleep with women! How much do you know about the Tibetan lamas? I spent half a year studying them. Exactly how much time did you spend studying Tibetan culture?
rosalind24 3 years ago
I always feel that Tibetan Buddhism is kind of cult like religion. From what you have said, it sounded more so. it is very much against the traditional Buddhist teaching. Thanks.
DonkeyTibet 3 years ago
but still, he and other 5% superior class were punished in the way that CCP set the slaves free and their property were taken and redivided equally to each family...that's what happened everywhere in China.
my grandparents were from landlord family and their property were taken away during that time...
wanderinginsummer 3 years ago
I keep hearing this claim that the Dalai Lama was a slave master. Two points:
1. I have yet to see an unbiased a source for this claim.
2. Even if it was as bad as you say, this does not mean that present-day Tibetans do not have a right to decide their own affairs.
The Dalai Lama is not seeking independence, only greater autonomy. The TAR is autonomous in name only. China would still have control over Tibet's foreign affairs. Please talk with Dalai Lama, Hu Jintao!
Lojikbom 3 years ago
facts always get in your way...its western sources that point to the feudalism
battim 3 years ago
comment on your 2 points.
1. (not trying to sound rude), have you tried opening your eyes? and looked at any source that isn't the media...
2. China is building schools, hospitals & roads everyday. If China didn't 95% of Tibet wouldn't be educated as they were NO schools in old Tibet. So the people who were educated where the slave masters. oh gee who do you think they will vote for?
On youtube search for "Battim reality check : free tibet?"
leaveourwhalesalone 3 years ago
LeaveOurWhales ...
1. Um, well, it depends on what you mean by "media". The term encompasses newspapers, books, movies, but is commonly associated just with news. I read the news, I read webpage accounts, etc. Do you have another suggestion?
2. I agree that China is doing a great deal to improve the infrastructure of Tibet. However, I also believe China suppresses the will of the Tibetan people to determine their own domestic affairs and free religious practice.
Lojikbom 3 years ago
media does not = books.
go with books not newspaper and the other media. I'm not saying those are evil, go in a cave and don't read newspapers. by all means read as much as you can. but know those things are no longer neutral. think for yourself and ask yourself those questions 3 questions said in my video. filter information, accept and reject what they are showing you.
leaveourwhalesalone 3 years ago
"The Chinese are oppressive" - do you consider freeing over 95% of Tibetans from slavery, building a state of the art infrastructure, and a new economy oppressive?
"The Chinese suppress Tibetan Buddhism" - then why have the Chinese spent a fortune restoring ancient monasteries and places of religious significance?
new economy. enough said. instead of working for nothing they now get real jobs. ones that pays they can sell things in their markets and have a future. a future for their children.
leaveourwhalesalone 3 years ago
I don't deny that PRC is making significant efforts to improve the quality of life in Tibet. However, I question why the monasteries would have to be restored in the first place had they not been destroyed and looted during the cultural revolution.
We spend too much time talking about the past tho. The important question is, why do Tibetans protest now? Why is the Dalai Lama still in exile? Where is the Panchen Lama chosen by Dalai Lama? There are more important questions in present.
Lojikbom 3 years ago
LeaveOurWhales ...
2. I can't deny that Tibet was a backward place before the PLA "liberation" of Tibet, but the fact that the Dalai Lama is kept out of Tibet, the fact that foreign journalists were recently expelled from Tibet, and the continued unrest in Tibet, suggest that People of Tibet are not as happy as the PRC might like us to believe.
No one is advocating Tibet go back to old ways. We only encourage, before anything else, an open dialogue b/t the Tibetan Gov't in Exile & PRC.
Lojikbom 3 years ago
u sad uninformed drone. are u even listenin 2 wot u r sayin or just repeating what the media is tellin j00?
"The Dalai Lama is not seeking independence, only greater autonomy."
Lama is not seeking independence only greater independence. (autonomy = independence u tool)
China sees Dalai Lama as a traitor since it's siding with CIA to break China apart. Why would China negotiate with a traitor?
neojackz 3 years ago
contd. land lords. Tibetan Buddhism is not accepting other religion not true. We have Tibetan molems and mosque in Lhasa, they were allotted land by the 5th Dalai Lama. Regards to ethnics Tibetans are suspicious of Chinese design to convert Tibet into China. For your information Dalai Lama was born in a remote village in Amdo bordering Xinkiang, not in a noble family. Pre 1950 there were no foreign power in Tibet, Dalai Lama is choosen by the people of Tibet. Mao has no right to invade Tibet.
tsewangpal3 3 years ago
U R not lying but obliterating the facts. Map don't show whole Tibet parts of Kham and Amdo where recent uprising took place. Qing Dynasty have feudal slave system like British. British invaded Tibet not Bhutan. I am glad you agree Tibet gained freedom when last Amban was kicked out of Tibet in 1913-1914 and Simla Convention took place. Feudal Government existed typical at the period of time in history to borrow your words even in RUSSIA before 1910 revolution, they have Dachas and(to be contd)
tsewangpal3 3 years ago
Name of the song?
Cegrell 3 years ago
Comparing Tibet in 1950 with China in 2008 is not meaningful. China was just as backward and inhumane in 1950.
jimlan801 3 years ago
"I am going to tell you some facts", you write. Oh dear, there are more distortions than "facts" here. I believe the media - Chinese and worldwide both - always have an agenda in their reporting, and the subject of Tibet is not going to be an exception to this rule. But my own support for Tibetan freedom began 20 years ago, at the urging of Tibetans I met in Tibet. I don't watch "The Simpsons" and I don't know what "Lisa" is.
jimlan801 3 years ago
The pictures that are too graphic to show should be showed if it reveals Dalai Lama for who he is. What I can't figure out is why the Tibetans rise against CCP and put on these anti China demonstrations? All Tibetans should really have to do is watch this video above and this video alone should be enough to convince Tibetans that CCP is better for Tibet than Dalai Lama.
Alias1983 3 years ago
Tibetans knows this. If people exactly forked out da money 2 go on a trip 2 Tibet and speak 2 the localz, they will tell u how awesome China is. It's only the rest of da world that doesn't know. The media is only showing a bunch of CIA paid Tibetans rioting or Monks who lost their slave privileges dissing China.
I urge every1 2 go 2 Tibet and c 4 urself what China has built in Tibet and how happy Tibetans are. Next time u say "free Tibet" first eye gouge ur right eye and cut off ur left foot.
neojackz 3 years ago
Rioting monks who lost their slave privileges? Back before 1950 when Dalai Lama (DickHead Lama) was in power, I assume it was the monks who had alot of slaves. And if I do go to China again, I would like to visit Tibet. along with Hong Kong.
Alias1983 3 years ago
The Dali Lama himself say Tibet is part of China and he just want autonomy. So I don't understand why people are still disputing if Tibet is part of China.
FreeTheTruth1 3 years ago
neojackz
please do your own research and you will find the truth.
If China is really helping Tibet and Tibetans are happy with Chinese rule then why are they afraid to allow western media into Tibet???
Why are thousands of Tibetans fleeing into India at the risk of getting killed by Chinese forces trekking through the Himalyan passes???
What have Tibetans done to you or the Chinese people for them to be brutalized???
tsetop77 3 years ago
tsetop you are really being biased. you are ignoring every single logical comment people have made and you are just changing the subject everytime. The only person you are fooling is yourself. DO SOME RESEARCH.
If China let media run around, CIA insurgents would fabricate VERY provocative BS stories. Which will lead to more brainless people like you to hate China. and to WWIII.
China is letting everyone in the world visit every inch of Tibet to see for themselves. Not BSing Media.
leaveourwhalesalone 3 years ago
How am I being biased?????
You are still frozen in the cold war mentality...CIA THIS CIA THAT!!!!!....
NO INDEPENDENT MEDIA IS ALLOWED INTO TIBET!!!!!!
The Dalai Lama has asked for an inquiry led by the United Nations which (China has a seat in the security council).
Why is China refusing????????
wHAT DOES cHINA HAVE TO HIDE??????
tsetop77 3 years ago
17 indenpendent medias were allowed into tibet, they knew the riot was lead by Dalai Lama and his follows, but the medias just not to show this. Search 'James Reynold' in Youtube(or watch?v=jNu3QGKyd-0), you will know the reason why you think China is hiding, which is actually not true. I won't say you are biased, but I am afraid you were cheated by your media. Sometimes it is better to watch CCTV9 to hear another voice to tell the same story.
czturbo 3 years ago
China is changing rapidly, there are many problems happening, including human rights issues. However, the so called 'Free Tibet' movement is not about human rights. And the phrase of 'human right' is ruining by 'Free Tibet' in this two months, at least I think so, unfortunately.
czturbo 3 years ago
Well China has alot to hide. It seems to me that every person either supports China's media and hates western media, either that they hate Chinese media and like western media. I believe that China's media is biased in ways the western media isn't and at the same time the western media is biased in ways China's media isn't. Nothing is black and white. Everything has alot of grey in it. But when it boils down to it, Tibet will always be part of China. PLA will never leave Tibet. It's unfortunate.
Alias1983 3 years ago
The Dali Lama himself say Tibet is part of China and he just want autonomy. So I don't understand why people are still disputing if Tibet is part of China.
FreeTheTruth1 3 years ago
Why can't I reply properly following other's comment? Let me try again.
czturbo 3 years ago
Pretty sure u're the one havin a biased approach. Why would China need permission from SSR to invade Tibet if Tibet isn't even anywhere near Russia.
1.You don't even know WHERE Tibet is.
2.People like you who want to "free" Tibet have no idea how they are being used or what they are really campaigning for.
3.If u think this guy is being biased, that's fine But do everyone a favour and learn truths before forming opinions.
China is helping Tibet. End of story.
neojackz 3 years ago
leaveourwales
you still don't get it???
The Chinese state is a communist state with a horrible record on human rights in China and even more in Tibet.
Mao Tse-Tung with the permission from Stalin invaded Tibet in 1949 under the pretext of 'liberating' Tibet.
YES,Tibet was not perfect then!
My problem with your post is your biased approach on describing Tibet!!!!!
If China is so good to Tibet then China should allow the international media into Tibet and allow them to report freely.
tsetop77 3 years ago
You just changed the subject! what happened to the 1 in 5 bs you pulled out of your ass? and now more bs with no reference.
The problem with YOU is that you don't know anything about China or Tibet and you're just passing slogans offered by mass media.
For the LAST time what does Mao have to do with Tibet? I understand Mao prolly screwed you over so you have some kind of personal retard vendetta against him but what does it have to do with Tibet.
leaveourwhalesalone 3 years ago
leaveyourheadbehind
I changed the subject???blah ..blah ..blah...
You post a video claiming all kinds of facts with absolutely no references. Any sensible can see the deception and deciet in your post...and you are attacking me?????
Like you there are countless others whose communist masters have convinced you all to belive in your own propaganda.
tsetop77 3 years ago
Communist masters? you have issues! I live in Australia. not China.
yeh ok mao f***ed you up and you don't like communist China what does this have to do with TIBET?
All you are doing is going around finding every single video that has the word China in it and shorting meaningless slogans.
This Vid is about Tibet. If you have nothing to contribute don't post BS data that you pull out of your ass.
Tsetop I've seen your comments on other vids ALL YOU DO is SPAM about how much you hate China.
leaveourwhalesalone 3 years ago
tsetop, i dont know what race u r, but if a native goes to ur house and says give me my land back would give ur house to him? or wud u mock him flie rice? i think u have a very distorted view of the chinese ppl as a whole, and saying mao ze dong killed 70 million ppl with a population of 400 million back in his days is just bs data. i think wen u kill 1 in 5 ppl, the other 4 would surely notice, instead of waiting for some nut job from another country to tell them so
cm45915 3 years ago
cm45915
Tibet was more Free in HISTORY THAN china ever was, a lot of Chinese point to the Yuan Dynasty which was not Chinese but MONGOLS!!!!!
As for Mao Tse-tung read the book by Jung Chang called 'the unknown story of Mao' also read the comments made by members of Mao's family and colleagues like:Cao Yun-shan,Li Na,Zeng Zhi,Goa Liang,Lu Min and hundreds of others!!!!!
The problem with a lot of Chinese is their major source of information comes from CCTV and the communist Chinese state.
tsetop77 3 years ago
i live in australia mate, i dont have access to cctv, i learn my history from my own understanding of the world and many sources. im an ethnic manchurian, yet i feel im as chinese as a han, and qing dynasty certainly controlled tibet, our emperor was their grand buddha. and as to ur mao's killing figures, i can only reput in that my family in china, none of them died under mao, thus i dun see how u got 1/5 of the population died. maybe u've been reading obviously biased history books.
cm45915 3 years ago
Propaganda paid by the Communist China!!!
Why is it that you do not post something of your beloved leader Mao Tse-Tung who murdered 70 million of your own people.
(and you guys still love him!!!!!!now that's sick.
tsetop77 3 years ago
No single leader is perfect. No one said Mao is. Some view him as a hero others a tyrant. Regardless he has done many good things for China. Mao is no longer the leader of China so this is OFF TOPIC. You are just trying to change the subject.
leaveourwhalesalone 3 years ago
I agree no one is perfect,but no good things can be condoned by killing 70 million Chinese people.
How come you pro china supporters do not have a single video denouncing this crime.
Mao may not be the leader at present but his photograph still dominates the Communist state and it's policies.
There is no topic to change as your video is a propaganda tool for your masters the Chinese communist state,your hands are as bloody as theirs.
tsetop77 3 years ago 2
Gallipoli, ANZACS died under bad leadership. yeah, but still we commemorate the memories of the fallen EVERY year. I'm not pro China. I'm pro commen sense! How is it propaganda if everyting I put up is true? I would delete anti China comments if I was biased. I'm trying to give the world a view of both sides. If US tries to break China up there will be a war and Australia may or may not fol