I can't see how this would be useful. The break is not at all like the normal trigger break. Why don't you just yell bang bang and call that practice? It's probably just as beneficial as your "trick".
Nice trick man... i've got the NY1 trigger spring in so there is the same amount of take up weight when I do this. while it would be nice to be able to feel the break, this technique still has the desired effect of being able to pull trigger on multiple target acquisition without having to dismantle and install a dry fire reset kit each time I practice at home and then reinstall the normal trigger when i'm done... i don't have the time for that.
this is great! saved me $200 for the dry fire kit. also i tend ot agree that dry fire practice is to get control of your pull so that it doesnt manupulat ethe gun in any way. works for me!
@FrancisPennySac sorry charlie... why would you get accustomed to a trigger pull that feels nothing like it should.. its counter productive... he needs to stop being so damn cheap and buy some ammo and range time.. the best way to engage multiple targets is... to engage multiple targets... not sit in an apartment ruining a perfectly good weapon.
this video is stupid why would you waste your your time to make this video and countless peoples' time to watch a pointless piece of audio visual media. this has no practical purpose without being able to feel the trigger break. maybe ill post up a video of me pushing the buttons on a remote control, everyone will be equally interested in that i would think!
Have yet to see anything that will beat a properly tuned 1911 trigger. Got rid of my Glock because of the trigger, and the unsupported chamber and a few other things.
@ProxStud Go ahead and be negative. But first, read the rest of the comments and understand that this is a highly useful trick for people who are using dryfire in a very different manner from yourself.
@MemphisMechanic I apologize if I came across in the wrong way. My only point is that the actual feel of the trigger is very important for training. Understanding the slack in your trigger, the pressure required when you have taken up the slack and how the trigger breaks are key to knowing the characteristics of a particular gun which help you improve using it. Simply having a trigger that you can work back and forth does not give you the benefits of how the real trigger functions.
@ProxStud You're doing it again, my friend. The feel of the trigger is irrelevant for the drills this is used in. Because you do not shoot competitively, does not make your comment correct across the board. Again, read the replies I've made to the know-it-alls who have replied with similar assertions below. This has MANY uses. Just not yours.
@MemphisMechanic I will read the comments again carefully. I do shoot competitively but I never claim I am a know it all. I just may not have understood the application correctly and I apologize if I did not understand it. I will read the replies and see what nuggets I can pick up. Please don't confuse me with some of the rude know it all's on the internet. I am just a former Army Soldier who carries daily and loves to learn. I shoot IDPA and some local Gun matches at a private club.
How about explaining what you're trying to accomplish in the description area under the video rather than directing people to dig through 10 pages of comments?
If you were looking to improve accuracy by actually firing I would check out Laser-Ammo (dot com). Basically it is a laser training bullet so it will fire a laser pulse at your target (which they provide with the package. It also comes with a guide rod that goes down the barrel so it stays in place (though the extender to fit lets say a G22 is plastic and had issues from the get go) It is a really great device because you aren't dry firing and you are actually able to see where you shoot.
@offshorebear That's because this trick does not allow the trigger to function as it would in real life, so you will never get the break you describe. If you wanted to practice dry fire to improve your trigger control, I would not use this method.
Being an experienced shooting myself. Dry firing does help a lot in the sense that it allows you not to anticipate that trigger pull. However on the negative side, without the cardboard you can still dryfire. Some may say that dry firing is bad for the gun and so the cardboard would not help as the firing pin is not striking anything. Snaps caps are the safest way to go...
@tranvi007 Most modern handguns have no issues with Dry Fire. Many veteran competitors will dry fire their handguns thousands of times. This is not true for all guns so please read your manual. Just saying that most modern handguns have no issues with it. I still think Snap Caps are great. They allow you to practice other drills. Take them to the firing range and put one in your friends magazine to see if they can clear the failure without stopping to think about it. :-)
Well, there is "dry firing" but with every trigger I have experienced there is a definite detent and letoff, no matter how slight. That slight bit of crispness when the sear releases is what tells you - in dry fire - that you would have lit one off if you were live. Forgive me but I fail to see the benefits of repeatedly pulling a mushy trigger on an uncocked striker.
Read the previous comments. This is used to modify the pistol so that you can use it - without racking the slide - to do countless drills to improve your skill in IDPA or USPSA. It has nothing to do with trigger control.
@MemphisMechanic Why would you even need to rack the slide to perform these drills. There is no benefit it squeezing a mushy trigger. Help me understand please. I shoot IDPA and can't figure out why I would ever do this. Thanks
@ProxStud ... how else are you going to "shoot" an array of targets to work on your transition speed, while shooting an array of targets with two mushytrigger rounds each? Movement into and out of a position? Shooting on the move?
This lets you "fire" the gun with a funky trigger, yes. But if you want to dryfire those things... well, it helps if the trigger moves.
@MemphisMechanic Now I understand what you are wanting to do. You see. I just needed a clear explanation that made sense to me. It's better to feel the trigger go all the way back and forward to simulate when the next shot needs to be taken and then transition to the next target. Got it. Thanks for taking the time to explain. I am too cheap to purchase a practice gun that has all working mechanics but does not actually fire real rounds. :-)
LADIES LADIES! ITS NOT LIKE YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO MEET UP AND HANDLE IT LIKE MEN SO JUST SHUT UP! ITS FREAKN YOU TUBE, IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT YOU SEE THEN WATCH SOMETHING ELSE, GO CRY ABOUT IT TO YOUR WIVES WHO IM SURE LOVES DRAMA. IF YOU TUBE WAS ABOUT DRAMA THEN IT WOULD OF BEEN (YOUR DRAMA TUBE) SO IF YOUR GONNA ACT LIKE MEN THEN ACT LIKE MEN IF NOT THEN KEEP IT TOO YOUR SELF PLEASE THANKS! OH YEAH CHECK OUT SOME OF MY VIDS I CANT WAIT TO HERE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
I use a piece of plastic (like that from a cut up credit or debit card after they have expired) to take the slide slightly out of battery. Works real well.
@MemphisMechanic You are an a-hole. T-heat is correct. Grow up. If you had an "accidental discharge" while playing that crap near me, you'd have an unsolvable problem on your hands.
Please elaborate on the safety problems with using this trick as opposed to standard dry-fire methods done for hours on end by almost all of us who shoot competitively, and also why you took the side of quite possibly the most ignorant person on YouTube.
At least a few others voiced intelligent ojbections.
@MemphisMechanic Your smarmy response does not help. If one were trying to "practice" shooting better, please elaborate on how it is helpful to have a DIFFERENT TRIGGER PULL. It is not, so stow it. Dry fire is for vegetarians. The most ignorant person on YouTube? No, that is the retard who spells a word as 'ojbections'.
If you doubt the value of dryfire, which every championship-level shooter will quickly tell you is INVALUABLE for improvement, I'm afraid we're just going to have to disagree.
I made Master quite quickly after six months stuck at Expert when I began dryfiring at home 30 minutes a day. Quite simply, it works.
There's traditional dryfire to learn your guns trigger and remove a flinch.
@MemphisMechanic Sorry, "champion", but there is a very old saying: "you perform as you practice". You failed to explain how practicing with one trigger pull, while competing at another, produces results. It does not. Not in firearms proficiency, not in martial arts, not in academia. I do apologize for "jumping the gun" (pun intended) thinking you were trying to alter live fire trigger pull.
1st Place Master - SSP - 2009 Missouri State IDPA Championship
1st Place Master - SSP -2009 Arkansas State IDPA Championship
I thank you for the compliment.
You must, obviously, also do extensive live fire practice. I fired 15,500 live 9mm rounds in 2009. I was fairly used to the weapon's handling in live fire, before I switched to the M&P for 2010, which does not need this modification to repeatedly pull the trigger.
If I had to choose though, I'd dryfire daily vs live fire weekly.
... and then there's the kind of competition-oriented drills this is used for.
One example of a hundred:
Draw
Engage three targets 2-rounds each
Speed reload
Reengage those three targets
Do the above with a shot timer set on a par-time. Start with what you are comfortable with executing cleanly, and gradually work down a half-second to push yourself. You will gain speed quickly, w/o losing accuracy.
You cannot do that with a single-dryfire-shot Glock. You need multiple trigger pulls.
@MemphisMechanic again, you fail to address that you practice one way and expect it to translate into a different scenario. It simply does not work that way. JUST ONE EXAMPLE: People who learn boxing by being a sparring partner rarely succeed as a pro...because they have always pulled their punches and fought to even/lose. Fact. Same goes with all learning. One cannot learn to avoid flinch by NOT using live rounds. One does NOT learn combat in basic; one learns it in the field.
Hang three targets on the wall at home. Now,how exactly are you going to run through an El Presidente with a dry Glock without doing this?
You're an IDPA guy. I'm surprised dozens of ways this can be used to practice at home weren't immediately appartent. Not for the trigger pull, but for practicing everything else.
never seen that before, might be a useful trick at some point. seen comments about the way you rack the slide from underneath the slide. i guess those guys haven't ever seen a gun with front slide serrations, nor have any idea how to use them. i bet they never heard of a press check either.
Thats an extremly unsafe way to work the slide and a good way to shoot off your hand. The slide should be worked over the top using the grooves like it was intended...
An "underhand" rack is the technique I've used exclusively for unloaded-gun starts in matches for years. When the slide is released by the weak hand, it's already in position to grip the pistol, and extend it to the target.
An overhand rack is slider.
In order to shoot off your hand, the hand/finger have to be in front of the muzzle at some point. Does that happen? ;-)
Actually, it is not an "Unsafe way" to work the slide. He kept his hand away from the muzzle, keeping from "lazering" his hand. Look up the definition of a press check, and most people do it from the slide serrations on the front of the slide.
well thats crap training....its not the same trigger pull. Your muscle memory will be for a really light trigger, and the point of dry fire is to learn what your trigger ACTUALLY feels like when you fire the weapon! so what if you can just pull a trigger over and over...your learning the wrong feel !!!
Can you eplain this to me? I've never competed... why would you want a fake trigger pull? If it's not for practicing muscle memory then why can't you just point the gun at your target and pretend you're pulling the trigger? You can even say "boom boom" if it makes you feel better.
Okay: A simple example is a drill I do frequently. Draw, "fire" two shots on three paper target (six trigger pulls), reload, and repeat.
That's twelve trigger pulls. One of the hardest parts about shooting fast AND accurately, is the ability to get the sights transitioned to the next target's A-zone in the 0.15-0.20 second time it takes to recover from the previous shot's recoil.
Moving the trigger that quickly without distubing the sights is tough too. It's not the pull weight, it's grip.
@MemphisMechanic Yeah I realize that now. It's just an extremely beginner skill and by the time I realized what the point of the drill was I didn't really need to practice it. I can dry fire my gun with a hollow point standing on it's nose on my slide... It's good when you can't go to the range... If only there was a way to practice firing with actual recoil in your living room...
@SpitRhyma Ever consider airsoft as a cross training tool? Gas Blowback airsoft pistols (not your everyday walmart brand) can provide similar recoil, and you can shoot it in the house
@Ma77hew yeah I agree with all you guys, but for what it is it can be a good training tool/ a lot of fun on a cold/rainy day :) plus the ammo costs next to nothing compared to real rounds
@cthomps yea, well I have had my fun with airsoft as a kid, now as an adult, I would rather use real firearms, even though it costs more, thats what a job is for.
why would you want to do that. you want to pull the trigger when the gun is cocked, you will start muscle memory in your finger. then you will become a better shooter when you squeeze the trigger and not pull the trigger. trust me i compete in long range competitions.
I'm not doing it for muscle memory. I'm doing it to dryfire on multiple targets (transitions and splits) and be able to pull the trigger before/after a speed reload.
I compete too. Recently took 1st place (stock service pistol - master division) in both the Missouri and Arkansas IDPA championship. It works.
Unlike bullseye or benchrest rifle, there is a lot more to action pistol than trigger control. Reloads/transitions/movement are where you really shave time.
The purpose of this trick is to allow you to simulate engaging an entire USPSA stage's worth of targets, and pull the trigger for each and every shot "fired".
3 reloads, and 18 "shots" fired in an extended El Pesidente drill... this is the kind of thing that is impossible to do with a gun that can only be dryfired once, and then must be racked for a second shot.
nice trick, thanks for sharing Memhis. FYI for others who may not be aware: if you have the dough for a "red training" glock you can get much better dry-fire trigger training time in. caution here though: the reset is still not the same as the "real" glock; it's a bit sloppy (but still MILES better than the cardboard trick). you'll find that when you master the red-glock trigger (includes reset feature that cardboard trick doesn't allow you to train on); the real thing is cake.
I found another way...put a glock 19/23 spring in a 17/22/34/35 and you get the complete stroke of the trigger with no striker fall. This is much more repeatable, reliable, and professional(in front of students). Great Post!!! The Glock 19 spring is $5 but paper is free! also you can fold up some paper and let it ride in the breechface where the breechface meets the top of the barrel...fold it just enough to keep it out of barrey, put a laser pressure pad behind trigger and you're good to go!
"Dry-Firing" would mean the cycling and release of the striker too.....That's the "Firing" part of "dry-firing".....All that is being done here is the compressing and release of the trigger spring alone.
But it's still an extremely useful way to repeatedly pull the trigger during practice with an unloaded gun. Which is commonly referred to as 'dryfire'.
I can't see how this would be useful. The break is not at all like the normal trigger break. Why don't you just yell bang bang and call that practice? It's probably just as beneficial as your "trick".
plechatam 2 months ago
whoopty-freakin-do
mpvasiliou 3 months ago
@ProxStud, I agree 100%
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Respond to this video... tis one aint dry fire. ur just flexing ur trig finger to check if ur brain is still connected .. hi
du2lx 3 months ago
Respond to this video... tis one aint dry fire. ur just flexing ur trig finger to check if ur brain is still connected .. hi
du2lx 3 months ago
Nice trick man... i've got the NY1 trigger spring in so there is the same amount of take up weight when I do this. while it would be nice to be able to feel the break, this technique still has the desired effect of being able to pull trigger on multiple target acquisition without having to dismantle and install a dry fire reset kit each time I practice at home and then reinstall the normal trigger when i'm done... i don't have the time for that.
fauja 3 months ago
this is great! saved me $200 for the dry fire kit. also i tend ot agree that dry fire practice is to get control of your pull so that it doesnt manupulat ethe gun in any way. works for me!
youtube.com/watch?v=9c6cye284Fc
wadealancarlson 4 months ago
first two tone glock I have seen,but its still a glock and no moore.... glock glock glock , sounds like A duck with a cold ....lol lol..
thebeans380 6 months ago
Dry firing a handgun out of battery is a waste of time... it completely changes the dynamics of the trigger and doesnt help muscle memory at all.
Lonewolf6565 7 months ago
I'm going to take the battery out of my car, so i can practice starting it. you wouldn't understand because you are not a professional race driver.
itzbossman 7 months ago 10
@itzbossman Although I get it... He does have a point and it's to get used to multiple target engagements..
FrancisPennySac 4 months ago
@FrancisPennySac sorry charlie... why would you get accustomed to a trigger pull that feels nothing like it should.. its counter productive... he needs to stop being so damn cheap and buy some ammo and range time.. the best way to engage multiple targets is... to engage multiple targets... not sit in an apartment ruining a perfectly good weapon.
itzbossman 4 months ago
@itzbossman haha that's hilarious!
kodisilver 3 months ago
This isn't useless or stupid OBVIOUSLY you dont shoot competitively enough to see that.
give me a break.
D0ublezer0x 7 months ago
OR... you can go out and buy thousands of rounds.. reload them yourself, and shoot a lot.. like the real pros
megatron515 8 months ago
just waistes .43 seconds of my life
Rowdt98 9 months ago
this video is stupid why would you waste your your time to make this video and countless peoples' time to watch a pointless piece of audio visual media. this has no practical purpose without being able to feel the trigger break. maybe ill post up a video of me pushing the buttons on a remote control, everyone will be equally interested in that i would think!
bigRebel721 10 months ago
Have yet to see anything that will beat a properly tuned 1911 trigger. Got rid of my Glock because of the trigger, and the unsupported chamber and a few other things.
bddc201 10 months ago
This might be handy for "breaking in" a trigger so that the action is a bit smoother. Or not.
Vincerama 11 months ago
@ProxStud Go ahead and be negative. But first, read the rest of the comments and understand that this is a highly useful trick for people who are using dryfire in a very different manner from yourself.
MemphisMechanic 11 months ago
@MemphisMechanic I apologize if I came across in the wrong way. My only point is that the actual feel of the trigger is very important for training. Understanding the slack in your trigger, the pressure required when you have taken up the slack and how the trigger breaks are key to knowing the characteristics of a particular gun which help you improve using it. Simply having a trigger that you can work back and forth does not give you the benefits of how the real trigger functions.
ProxStud 11 months ago
@ProxStud You're doing it again, my friend. The feel of the trigger is irrelevant for the drills this is used in. Because you do not shoot competitively, does not make your comment correct across the board. Again, read the replies I've made to the know-it-alls who have replied with similar assertions below. This has MANY uses. Just not yours.
MemphisMechanic 11 months ago
@MemphisMechanic I will read the comments again carefully. I do shoot competitively but I never claim I am a know it all. I just may not have understood the application correctly and I apologize if I did not understand it. I will read the replies and see what nuggets I can pick up. Please don't confuse me with some of the rude know it all's on the internet. I am just a former Army Soldier who carries daily and loves to learn. I shoot IDPA and some local Gun matches at a private club.
ProxStud 11 months ago
@MemphisMechanic
How about explaining what you're trying to accomplish in the description area under the video rather than directing people to dig through 10 pages of comments?
jamesjr934 9 months ago 7
sorry this is a waste of time. I like the other guy trick. balancing the bullet on the gun and pulling the trigger to practice trigger control
barstoolguru 1 year ago
If you were looking to improve accuracy by actually firing I would check out Laser-Ammo (dot com). Basically it is a laser training bullet so it will fire a laser pulse at your target (which they provide with the package. It also comes with a guide rod that goes down the barrel so it stays in place (though the extender to fit lets say a G22 is plastic and had issues from the get go) It is a really great device because you aren't dry firing and you are actually able to see where you shoot.
Anokpoet 1 year ago
way to be dumb enough to ruin that gun
spuddapotato2494 1 year ago
This doesn't work for me. It repeatedly has the "first stage". It never gets past the "break" stage. The break stage is the one that needs practice.
offshorebear 1 year ago
@offshorebear That's because this trick does not allow the trigger to function as it would in real life, so you will never get the break you describe. If you wanted to practice dry fire to improve your trigger control, I would not use this method.
ProxStud 3 months ago
Being an experienced shooting myself. Dry firing does help a lot in the sense that it allows you not to anticipate that trigger pull. However on the negative side, without the cardboard you can still dryfire. Some may say that dry firing is bad for the gun and so the cardboard would not help as the firing pin is not striking anything. Snaps caps are the safest way to go...
tranvi007 1 year ago
@tranvi007 Most modern handguns have no issues with Dry Fire. Many veteran competitors will dry fire their handguns thousands of times. This is not true for all guns so please read your manual. Just saying that most modern handguns have no issues with it. I still think Snap Caps are great. They allow you to practice other drills. Take them to the firing range and put one in your friends magazine to see if they can clear the failure without stopping to think about it. :-)
ProxStud 3 months ago
Well, there is "dry firing" but with every trigger I have experienced there is a definite detent and letoff, no matter how slight. That slight bit of crispness when the sear releases is what tells you - in dry fire - that you would have lit one off if you were live. Forgive me but I fail to see the benefits of repeatedly pulling a mushy trigger on an uncocked striker.
badflamenco 1 year ago
@badflamenco
Read the previous comments. This is used to modify the pistol so that you can use it - without racking the slide - to do countless drills to improve your skill in IDPA or USPSA. It has nothing to do with trigger control.
MemphisMechanic 1 year ago 4
@MemphisMechanic Why would you even need to rack the slide to perform these drills. There is no benefit it squeezing a mushy trigger. Help me understand please. I shoot IDPA and can't figure out why I would ever do this. Thanks
ProxStud 3 months ago
@ProxStud ... how else are you going to "shoot" an array of targets to work on your transition speed, while shooting an array of targets with two mushytrigger rounds each? Movement into and out of a position? Shooting on the move?
This lets you "fire" the gun with a funky trigger, yes. But if you want to dryfire those things... well, it helps if the trigger moves.
MemphisMechanic 3 months ago
@MemphisMechanic Now I understand what you are wanting to do. You see. I just needed a clear explanation that made sense to me. It's better to feel the trigger go all the way back and forward to simulate when the next shot needs to be taken and then transition to the next target. Got it. Thanks for taking the time to explain. I am too cheap to purchase a practice gun that has all working mechanics but does not actually fire real rounds. :-)
ProxStud 3 months ago
@badflamenco I agree 100%
ProxStud 3 months ago
LADIES LADIES! ITS NOT LIKE YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO MEET UP AND HANDLE IT LIKE MEN SO JUST SHUT UP! ITS FREAKN YOU TUBE, IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT YOU SEE THEN WATCH SOMETHING ELSE, GO CRY ABOUT IT TO YOUR WIVES WHO IM SURE LOVES DRAMA. IF YOU TUBE WAS ABOUT DRAMA THEN IT WOULD OF BEEN (YOUR DRAMA TUBE) SO IF YOUR GONNA ACT LIKE MEN THEN ACT LIKE MEN IF NOT THEN KEEP IT TOO YOUR SELF PLEASE THANKS! OH YEAH CHECK OUT SOME OF MY VIDS I CANT WAIT TO HERE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
xARMEDCIVILIANx 1 year ago
I use a piece of plastic (like that from a cut up credit or debit card after they have expired) to take the slide slightly out of battery. Works real well.
vonsiems1963 1 year ago
@TEXASHEAT45 You should upload a video for us
DaphidDinh 1 year ago
My M&P does this without needing the cardboard.
fastguy45 1 year ago
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linstad 1 year ago
briliant idea!!! i serched a way to do that for practicing triger work witout relode over&over
geva90 1 year ago
@TEXASHEAT45
Hang three targets on the wall across the room. Run a dryfire El-Presidente on them half a dozen times.
Wait... do you even know what an El Presidente drill is?
MemphisMechanic 1 year ago
@MemphisMechanic whut is a el preidente drill XD
thedarkinhell 1 year ago
@MemphisMechanic You are an a-hole. T-heat is correct. Grow up. If you had an "accidental discharge" while playing that crap near me, you'd have an unsolvable problem on your hands.
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0
Please elaborate on the safety problems with using this trick as opposed to standard dry-fire methods done for hours on end by almost all of us who shoot competitively, and also why you took the side of quite possibly the most ignorant person on YouTube.
At least a few others voiced intelligent ojbections.
MemphisMechanic 1 year ago
@MemphisMechanic Your smarmy response does not help. If one were trying to "practice" shooting better, please elaborate on how it is helpful to have a DIFFERENT TRIGGER PULL. It is not, so stow it. Dry fire is for vegetarians. The most ignorant person on YouTube? No, that is the retard who spells a word as 'ojbections'.
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0
If you doubt the value of dryfire, which every championship-level shooter will quickly tell you is INVALUABLE for improvement, I'm afraid we're just going to have to disagree.
I made Master quite quickly after six months stuck at Expert when I began dryfiring at home 30 minutes a day. Quite simply, it works.
There's traditional dryfire to learn your guns trigger and remove a flinch.
MemphisMechanic 1 year ago
@MemphisMechanic Sorry, "champion", but there is a very old saying: "you perform as you practice". You failed to explain how practicing with one trigger pull, while competing at another, produces results. It does not. Not in firearms proficiency, not in martial arts, not in academia. I do apologize for "jumping the gun" (pun intended) thinking you were trying to alter live fire trigger pull.
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0
1st Place Master - SSP - 2009 Missouri State IDPA Championship
1st Place Master - SSP -2009 Arkansas State IDPA Championship
I thank you for the compliment.
You must, obviously, also do extensive live fire practice. I fired 15,500 live 9mm rounds in 2009. I was fairly used to the weapon's handling in live fire, before I switched to the M&P for 2010, which does not need this modification to repeatedly pull the trigger.
If I had to choose though, I'd dryfire daily vs live fire weekly.
MemphisMechanic 1 year ago 2
@kenfo0
... and then there's the kind of competition-oriented drills this is used for.
One example of a hundred:
Draw
Engage three targets 2-rounds each
Speed reload
Reengage those three targets
Do the above with a shot timer set on a par-time. Start with what you are comfortable with executing cleanly, and gradually work down a half-second to push yourself. You will gain speed quickly, w/o losing accuracy.
You cannot do that with a single-dryfire-shot Glock. You need multiple trigger pulls.
MemphisMechanic 1 year ago
@MemphisMechanic again, you fail to address that you practice one way and expect it to translate into a different scenario. It simply does not work that way. JUST ONE EXAMPLE: People who learn boxing by being a sparring partner rarely succeed as a pro...because they have always pulled their punches and fought to even/lose. Fact. Same goes with all learning. One cannot learn to avoid flinch by NOT using live rounds. One does NOT learn combat in basic; one learns it in the field.
kenfo0 1 year ago
I can not figure out the point of this. There is ZERO benefit to dry fire using this trick?
downzeroproductions 1 year ago 2
@downzeroproductions
Hang three targets on the wall at home. Now,how exactly are you going to run through an El Presidente with a dry Glock without doing this?
You're an IDPA guy. I'm surprised dozens of ways this can be used to practice at home weren't immediately appartent. Not for the trigger pull, but for practicing everything else.
MemphisMechanic 1 year ago
holy crap its thereal thing i made a rep
MrGolfTee 1 year ago
You are clearly still missing the point of the drill. You are still thinking it's some sort of beginner technique to develop trigger control.
This has nothing to do with trigger control.
MemphisMechanic 1 year ago
wrong.
itTAKESaWOLF 1 year ago
@itTAKESaWOLF wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wang
MrGolfTee 1 year ago
Huh...
Its the first toy I've heard of that's fired over 30,000 9mm rounds...
Thanks for the heads up.
MemphisMechanic 2 years ago
this is Glock with alu slide, am I right?
looks cute...
Naproxenum 2 years ago
Ever heard of Duracoat?
It's a refinished factory slide.
MemphisMechanic 2 years ago
Read the comments. It's the factory Glock slide, refinished with Titanium Duracoat.
MemphisMechanic 2 years ago
That's some nice Titanium Duracoating. Did you do it yourself?
SuperSetCA 2 years ago
Yes. Two coats of Duracoat Titanium with a coat of clear over it. Airbrushed in the garage, and baked on in the oven... when my wife wasn't home.
MemphisMechanic 2 years ago
@MemphisMechanic -- yeah i dont under stand why they hate it when we use the oven. guess they're expecting cookies or something. lol
oh so are you dura coating the ak's also? or are you using keznit? or lauer gun coat?
longhairedndnsavage1 1 year ago
don't get it, huh?
sjr341 2 years ago
never seen that before, might be a useful trick at some point. seen comments about the way you rack the slide from underneath the slide. i guess those guys haven't ever seen a gun with front slide serrations, nor have any idea how to use them. i bet they never heard of a press check either.
johnis4jesus 2 years ago
useless.
WaRClouDVII 2 years ago 34
true....
Wiggling 2 years ago
Thats an extremly unsafe way to work the slide and a good way to shoot off your hand. The slide should be worked over the top using the grooves like it was intended...
benelli123 2 years ago
An "underhand" rack is the technique I've used exclusively for unloaded-gun starts in matches for years. When the slide is released by the weak hand, it's already in position to grip the pistol, and extend it to the target.
An overhand rack is slider.
In order to shoot off your hand, the hand/finger have to be in front of the muzzle at some point. Does that happen? ;-)
MemphisMechanic 2 years ago
@benelli123
Actually, it is not an "Unsafe way" to work the slide. He kept his hand away from the muzzle, keeping from "lazering" his hand. Look up the definition of a press check, and most people do it from the slide serrations on the front of the slide.
Been doin it for years.
USallblackfanatic 2 years ago
im pretty sure he confermed the gun was unloaded and common sence would tell anyone not to do any demo like this with a loaded weapon.
LegacyForce 2 years ago
Cool beans thanks Memphis I was just wishing I could test trigger travel like on my XD. Check out my Glock 17 videos
zulusam360 2 years ago
well thats crap training....its not the same trigger pull. Your muscle memory will be for a really light trigger, and the point of dry fire is to learn what your trigger ACTUALLY feels like when you fire the weapon! so what if you can just pull a trigger over and over...your learning the wrong feel !!!
aaronready1 2 years ago
The point of what YOU are practicing in dryfire is trigger control.
That is not what I do using this technique. Draw, 2, reload, 2... Strong-hand, weak-hand on multiple targets, etc.
Trust me, it works well if you're simulating USPSA-type stages in your house.
MemphisMechanic 2 years ago
Can you eplain this to me? I've never competed... why would you want a fake trigger pull? If it's not for practicing muscle memory then why can't you just point the gun at your target and pretend you're pulling the trigger? You can even say "boom boom" if it makes you feel better.
SpitRhyma 2 years ago
Okay: A simple example is a drill I do frequently. Draw, "fire" two shots on three paper target (six trigger pulls), reload, and repeat.
That's twelve trigger pulls. One of the hardest parts about shooting fast AND accurately, is the ability to get the sights transitioned to the next target's A-zone in the 0.15-0.20 second time it takes to recover from the previous shot's recoil.
Moving the trigger that quickly without distubing the sights is tough too. It's not the pull weight, it's grip.
MemphisMechanic 2 years ago
@MemphisMechanic Yeah I realize that now. It's just an extremely beginner skill and by the time I realized what the point of the drill was I didn't really need to practice it. I can dry fire my gun with a hollow point standing on it's nose on my slide... It's good when you can't go to the range... If only there was a way to practice firing with actual recoil in your living room...
SpitRhyma 1 year ago
@SpitRhyma Ever consider airsoft as a cross training tool? Gas Blowback airsoft pistols (not your everyday walmart brand) can provide similar recoil, and you can shoot it in the house
cthomps 1 year ago
@cthomps I have owned airsoft gas pistols, and even the nicest ones can't simulate what a .40 or .45's recoil really feels like!!!!!!!
Ma77hew 1 year ago
@Ma77hew Yeah but you can shoot in the basement ;) ... it's a compromise but you can still cross train with it.
cthomps 1 year ago
@cthomps It still doesn't completely feel like a real handgun, one thing that can be done is the practice of withdrawing it from a holster...
Ma77hew 1 year ago
@Ma77hew yeah I agree with all you guys, but for what it is it can be a good training tool/ a lot of fun on a cold/rainy day :) plus the ammo costs next to nothing compared to real rounds
cthomps 1 year ago
@cthomps yea, well I have had my fun with airsoft as a kid, now as an adult, I would rather use real firearms, even though it costs more, thats what a job is for.
Ma77hew 1 year ago
training, dumbshit.
D0ublezer0x 2 years ago
damn i like that glock
josueguzman602 2 years ago
why would you want to do that. you want to pull the trigger when the gun is cocked, you will start muscle memory in your finger. then you will become a better shooter when you squeeze the trigger and not pull the trigger. trust me i compete in long range competitions.
supercharged04gt 2 years ago
I'm not doing it for muscle memory. I'm doing it to dryfire on multiple targets (transitions and splits) and be able to pull the trigger before/after a speed reload.
I compete too. Recently took 1st place (stock service pistol - master division) in both the Missouri and Arkansas IDPA championship. It works.
Unlike bullseye or benchrest rifle, there is a lot more to action pistol than trigger control. Reloads/transitions/movement are where you really shave time.
MemphisMechanic 2 years ago
but this ISN'T dryfiring so what's the point?
SpitRhyma 2 years ago
It's for practice dry fire of multiple shots, on multiple targets. For the purpose of simulating an IDPA or USPSA competition stage.
MemphisMechanic 2 years ago
You should market "Official Pharaoh Bender Dryfire Inserts". You could make billions!
sshuravesky 3 years ago
Thank you. Strange how I did not "get it" until I saw it.
sshuravesky 3 years ago
Thanks for the upload. I always wondered how to do this.
Where did you get your slide refinished in chrome? I'd like to do the same thing on my glock.
Edde2016 3 years ago
I refinished it myself in Titanium duracoat.
MemphisMechanic 3 years ago
My glock 22 looks like yours. I had it CCR refinished and I polished the barrel as well. I'll try dry firing sometime when I get the chance
TCX559 2 years ago
why dryfire a double action only glock? might as well not fuck with it
heat45jc 3 years ago
This does not make sense. What do you mean?
The purpose of this trick is to allow you to simulate engaging an entire USPSA stage's worth of targets, and pull the trigger for each and every shot "fired".
3 reloads, and 18 "shots" fired in an extended El Pesidente drill... this is the kind of thing that is impossible to do with a gun that can only be dryfired once, and then must be racked for a second shot.
MemphisMechanic 3 years ago
nice trick, thanks for sharing Memhis. FYI for others who may not be aware: if you have the dough for a "red training" glock you can get much better dry-fire trigger training time in. caution here though: the reset is still not the same as the "real" glock; it's a bit sloppy (but still MILES better than the cardboard trick). you'll find that when you master the red-glock trigger (includes reset feature that cardboard trick doesn't allow you to train on); the real thing is cake.
johnnyghee 2 years ago
i dont get it, why did you do that, why did you film it and put it on youtube?
cbrcolt45 3 years ago
Because people kept asking me how to do it. And it's easier to SHOW YOU than to explain it.
If you don't shoot competitively, it probably doesn't make much sense.
MemphisMechanic 3 years ago
yea i dont, i guess thats why, people like me that dont, the vid looks a little weird lol
cbrcolt45 3 years ago
I found another way...put a glock 19/23 spring in a 17/22/34/35 and you get the complete stroke of the trigger with no striker fall. This is much more repeatable, reliable, and professional(in front of students). Great Post!!! The Glock 19 spring is $5 but paper is free! also you can fold up some paper and let it ride in the breechface where the breechface meets the top of the barrel...fold it just enough to keep it out of barrey, put a laser pressure pad behind trigger and you're good to go!
airrecoil 3 years ago
"Dry-Firing" would mean the cycling and release of the striker too.....That's the "Firing" part of "dry-firing".....All that is being done here is the compressing and release of the trigger spring alone.
ipscjoe 3 years ago
Way to split hairs, Joe. You gotta love the internet knowitalls.
MrSWasHere 3 years ago 8
Obviously. Technically.
But it's still an extremely useful way to repeatedly pull the trigger during practice with an unloaded gun. Which is commonly referred to as 'dryfire'.
MemphisMechanic 3 years ago