Team Arena Challenge Grand Finals set 2 g3

[Navarone222]

Sim city ftw

[FaustusDerDoktor]

Sorry. A zealot only takes 4 volleys from a tank.

[FaustusDerDoktor]

A zealot on

[FaustusDerDoktor]

A zea

[umadbrow]

Why is terran so retardedly OP? All terran players are babies who dont have a brain so

they rely on the OPness of terran

Why is terran so retardedly op? Even a dolphin can become a top esport contender while using terran

Why are ghosts so retardedly imbalanced? Terran players need to get hanged from the highest bridge

for not admitting the OPness of their race

[kyrannippel]

@umadbrow maximum trolling

[umadbrow]

@kyrannippel

maximum being a fagging

[kyrannippel]

@umadbrow herpderp I'm on the internet hai bob

[umadbrow]

@kyrannippel

You sound like a retarded virgin. Did I make you cry so much you became insane?

[kyrannippel]

@umadbrow y u gotta bee like that bawb :(

Pulling out the big insults I see, you bad-ass you! Look at you go!

[umadbrow]

@kyrannippel

Now im feeling guilty for driving someone crazy.... I didnt know such petty insults could drive a person to insanity.

[xsaigon]

its called a fucking sweep

[HendrikDeBeck]

every win for protoss vs terran that brings terran tears comment is making my day even better :)

Again the terran play was so creative with marines marauder medivac, you don't see that often

makes you wonder ? is that why protoss always go collosus and storms ?

let the flaming begin :D

[pedrowunderlich]

Great casting HD. Love your enthusiasm!

[AnnoyingOnion]

I already knew protoss will win cause HD's talking about mana a lot

[staphinfection]

"...but the worker supply is considerably lower for our Terran player."

Protoss worker supply: 60

Minerals: 1400-1500 Gas: 400-500

Terran worker supply: 44

Minerals: 1400-1800! Gas: 400-500

Please explain to me WHY Terran need Mules to be THIS fucking good. Not saying get rid of them, but 2-3 mules should NOT make up for being 16 workers behind.

I love Terran and all their units/builds/upgrades. I just want Protoss and especially Zerg to have the same amount of options available to them.

[Jastro88]

@staphinfection You know what the funny thing is? This is basically what I was saying in my first comment on this thread. People started hating on me because I made a Mule OP joke. And now because the majority of people are only reading Bulbasaur's response at the top, they aren't even seeing what I was saying initially. I wasnt even discussing tanks and colossi. This is why I normally try to stay out of public online discussions; I'm regretting posting my initial comment now.

[staphinfection]

Forcefields are bad enough at 50 energy.... can you imagine if they were 25.... oh god, no thank you.

[vampuricknight1]

Protoss = strongest by far/most expenisive individual units and slowest

Terran = cost effective mid strength with mid range speed

Zerg = cheapest/ weakest units but they have the fastest combined speeds

Terran is slightly op just because there all around good units but can be defeated easily by both zerg and protoss when they play to there strengths respectively it is not the games fault you can't properly strategize and judge the best build to go against your opponent.

[predsage]

I love how other races are starting to win more often now, so terran players sit back and actually have the nerve to say OP when for the first.. year? since SC2 came out terran was super OP undeniably. Terran players need to stfu and stop crying now that the game is a tiny bit more balanced.. cause it still isn't fully balanced.

[ChiyosukeBLC]

I want to see a THOR... zain... yea I'll leave now...

[chappyman82]

He was attacking the toss when there was no colossus range and just didn't do anything grrr u terrans make meh angry

[squirrito]

Lol @ yoda impersonation

[DrPooMonster]

I hate people who say races r op try playing the race douchebags. Also mules r the onl way a terran can keep up in production against Zerg. And toss have chronology boost so evry1 stfu

[Zeuts85]

@DrPooMonster I play Terran in diamond league, and I think Terran is OP lol. Of course, the reason I think that is not from personal experience (I get my ass kicked continually), but because of the racial win rates that Blizzard has data mined. Then again, I have looked in about a month. Maybe things have changed. . .

[blossombay]

lol it seems that most protoss-es have pretty decent win ratio against terran

[Valahano]

Boohoo, are we still bitching about mules? Zerg doesn't even need to make more than one building and 'toss workers only have to point the location for the building.

[SirGecko01]

Does anyone else is having their main page of YouTube messed up on Firefox?

[Taunt61]

09:17 "that colossus was having a hay day. This one had sex."

[davidi0t]

8:20 he's a solid terran player - or - he's a solitaire player?

[NegaSyrus5000]

@Omally102 What a very over-used and no-thought required comment. If I had to guess..you probably aren't very good at games in general and you are just repeating what others have said to you from whining all the time. I have no doubt I hit the nail on the head there...and as for balanced...no, it's not balanced. No RTS can be perfectly balanced for each aspect, which is why they make patches. That being said, starcraft 2 is one of the most balanced games out there.

[Thunderfvck]

@NegaSyrus5000 They can actually, SC: Brood War being the proof!

[NegaSyrus5000]

Mules are a bit op when you get enough orbitals to completely replace your scvs....I believe they should put a limit on how many mules one person can get.

[bubba18sar]

@NegaSyrus5000 then you are a dumbass.. There should also be a limit on larva then right? or max amount of chronoboost? For fuck's sake the stupid fucking bronze league comments are gettnig worse and worse.

[NegaSyrus5000]

@bubba18sar You're an idiot. Use some intelligence before responding with a copy and paste comment that "pro" starcraft 2 players use to try and insult someone.

[bubba18sar]

@NegaSyrus5000 Copy and paste comment? So you don't think that there should be a max amount of Larva or (macro hatches). You don't think there should be a limit on how many times you can Chronoboost an upgrade? Yet you think there should be a limit on how Terran's abillities work huh? You do realize how much has to be invested in the first place for terran to replace all scvs with mules? Dumb comments like yours should automatically be marked as spam.

[richisnang1]

this is nothing, is one game in a day9 funday monday, some guy had like 40 probes vs like 3 mules and 3 scv and their income was the same lol

[ttitanb]

@richisnang1 thats actually not good for the terran if he saved up 3 mules at once. he already suffered in income way before

[MrMonobody]

Graty Mana!!!! :)

[MrPatricklee89]

Hey, I would gladly switch mules for warp gate tech or chronos...

[FenrisWolfSC2]

not only is chrono mathematically better for income than mules, it can also be used for tech upgrades army OR income. Tell me the when you see a terran mule an upgrade. All this variety with chrono boost a Huge variety of things to do in the early stages of the game.

[FenrisWolfSC2]

lol people so mad about mules. mules is MUCH worse than chrono and i would way rather have creap spread that can see the whole map than a temporary income boost

[t3hxl337xnub]

Crossing his T's? A t without a cross is an I or a lowercase L lol

[Je1212eLL]

"He's a solid terran player.. obviously, he's korean." lmfao

[mcburger6]

i know you probably wont see this HD, but could you plz show the units lost tab after big battles?

[noideaguy]

y can't we see the player's hot groups ??

[Hemlocke3]

GET THORZAIN!!!!! he got 5/0 win streak, so let him fight it out. He owned Yoda before

[DwightkSchrute101]

i love when terran players claim their race is not op. i played terran and i got in diamond league after 20 won games....it was so easy i just one base pushed with concussive and rines i won every game vs toss. terran op idc what you all say!

[freekofscience3]

@DwightkSchrute101 I play random. my win rate is by far lowest with terran. Each race has strengths and weaknesses. Marine Maurader pushes early game are great because forcefield control tends to lack in lower leagues. Try and keep up the one base play as you advance. I wish you luck.

[bubba18sar]

@DwightkSchrute101 Sure you did faggot.. HERP DERP I GOT TO GM WITH TOSS IN MY PLACEMENT MATCHES!! so EZ just a move DERP.

[DwightkSchrute101]

@bubba18sar id make fun of you but loooking at your username id say uve already been made fun enough in your life...so i love you and have a great day

[iiroxx1z]

11:40 colossus moon walk

[Kangur08]

@iiroxx1z MJ reincarnated into a Colossus.

[psyonic01]

i'm pretty sure i fell in love with yoda

[Skidd75]

62 Probes dont do nothing on 2 Base u Terran Crybabies. ITS FAIR. 4 Collossus kill 20 Marines in some Shots, thats "all she wrote" u mule trolololols.

[bubba18sar]

@Skidd75 Your english is fucking bad..

[CallMeTotti]

@DarkMoon309 According to Liquipedia it does, sorry if thats wrong. Why is it important if i build those all at once - its lost mining time?!

[DarkMoon309]

@CallMeTotti but ur not gonna build all of those at the same time, r u ? and i dont think a supply depot takes 30 secs to build

[bubba18sar]

@DarkMoon309 So what if they are not built at the same time?? It's still lost mining time that toss does not have to deal with. Stupid ass.. and yes.. a supply depot takes 30 seconds. Please don't talk if you have no clue.

[DarkMoon309]

@CallMeTotti and u cant have 3 bases with 2 orbitals =)) . why ppl think mule is unfair ( or at least me ) becoz in late game, T can free up lots of supply for workers, and still have a strong econ , while the other 2 cant

[CallMeTotti]

@DarkMoon309 Well, you start with 1 Command Center, so you dont loose any mining time on that one - that is why i only counted 2 ;-P Freeing up supply late game is a very good point, i did not consider that.

[Alicklol]

@DarkMoon309 On the other hand, the other 2 races can reproduces far quicker and reinforces faster than Terran. Protoss, especially.

[bubba18sar]

@DarkMoon309 So what? What about the late game advantage that zerg has with stacking larva? Or how about when toss can chronoboost 10 gateways and have twice the production that terran has? I suppose that's okay though right??

[Gormaoul]

TERRAN OP TERRAN OP TERRAN OP TERRAN OP TERRAN OP TERRAN OP TERRAN OP TERRAN OP TERRAN OP TERRAN OP TERRAN OP TERRAN OP TERRAN OP TERRAN OP!!!!!!!!

[Skidd75]

@Gormaoul Fake and Gay?

[DwightkSchrute101]

mules should cost 100 energy or have less duration or somethingggg.....cmon down 16 harvesters and up 200 minerals? wtf blizzard!!

[vemu333]

@DwightkSchrute101 chronoboost

[Skidd75]

@DwightkSchrute101 u have no plan. watch SOUND vs. MC what the hell u want nerf? ..if you dont find it..it was steamroll 4:0 for MC. It was Finals.

[oXe2]

@DwightkSchrute101 He lost the game!!!

[TMOTheMarkedOne]

@DwightkSchrute101

What are you talking about?

Blizzard clearly want Terran to be OP as fuck otherwise they would of changed it.

Mules, free scouting (scans), Tier 1 units that can win in Tier 3 (Marines), salvageable bunkers that make a harass cost nothing if it fails, stupidly OP harass units (Helions that can wipe out entire drone lines and don't even cost gas, banshees that can win a game if the player doesn't have detection...Etc. You know. Typical Terran)

[4tzahi]

@TMOTheMarkedOne

Reading you bitch about the matchup feels like the only unit the toss have is probes....

Free scouting (scans)? => infinate cloaked observer that gives all base scouting, 100% chance to see your opponent leaves the base and cost only 50/50 (while 1 scan = ~ 300 minerals)

Banshees ? what about infinate cloacked DTs?

At least the Upgrades are balanced ... Toss has the same upgrades for bio and Mech, terran has them seperated - that one is fine right ?

[TheAle89515]

@DwightkSchrute101 There are ways to counter mules however -- Phoenix graviton harass, as well as using cloaked units or Hallucinations (need to be used more against Terran IMO) to force Comsats. You'll often notice Protoss players do much better against Terrans when they force Comsat use, though a lot of people don't realize that it's the lack of mules that is hurting the Terran.

[Kasuh3]

@DwightkSchrute101 Terrans need mules you should try playing it, you can't keep up without mules

[meandnature]

fun fact: TLO won several times over mana in practice matches few weeks ago..

[Jastro88]

10:30 "The SCV count is considerably lower." OP mules means his income is higher tho.

[massdestruction97]

@Jastro88 Ridiculously OP protoss wins and you troll about mules?

[Jastro88]

@massdestruction97 Look at the worker count! Look at the income! You have to admit that is crazy!

[massdestruction97]

@Jastro88 but protoss units are more cost effective and protoss infrastructure is faster than terran

[Jastro88]

@massdestruction97 I am finding a difficult time in making a post small enough that will fit here to discuss this properly. I guess all I can say is that "cost effectiveness" can sometimes be a subjective thing and is somewhat difficult to gauge, as it depends on the player using the units. Some players use blink micro very well but are not great with their warp prism play etc. Infrastructure seems about equal to me, again that's a long argument. I'm out of space now.

[massdestruction97]

@Jastro88 well, let's put it simple

1 warpgate equals exactly 1 add-on rax by production capacity ~ 4 supply/minute

however 1 warpgate costs 150 mins and 75 secs, 1 rax costs 200mins 50/25 gas and 90/115 secs

now add the time terran bio units need to be trained and arrive at the battlefield

protoss just warps in ;)

[Jastro88]

@massdestruction97 I see what you mean. Still not 100% sure about cost effectiveness. 2 marines can kite a zealot fairly well if the zeal has no charge, for example. Stalkers are decent at kiting but they are frail and die quickly in direct engagements, particularly to rauders. Colossi and seige tanks seem about even to me in terms of how many kills they get before they die, but colossi are more expensive... again this is tough to debate as it depends on the player skill.

[bubba18sar]

@Jastro88 You fucking kidding me? A Siege tank and a Colossi are equal? That's a joke right? Colossi are ten times better. Siege tanks against toss especially are worthless past the 10-11 minute mark.

[Jastro88]

@bubba18sar Didn't say "equal". They have the same cost effectiveness, and we were not necessarily discussing them facing eachother as the sole factor in measuring this. Colossi are more expensive as well per unit so theoretically should be contributing more to the army than a seige. As I said in the discussion twice now this is largely subjective and based on player skill, and is difficult to prove either way.

[massdestruction97]

@bubba18sar

It's 200 minerals and some gas with the addons (otherwise it's half the capacity of a warpgate) ;)

[Spartan0339]

@bubba18sar if you don't know how to abuse the terrain...

[Tarraska]

@bubba18sar wouldn't say worthless.. definately vulnerable.. as with any artillery, they need backup to be effective, which is why most terran just go MMM with viking support against protoss, more mobile and no special vulnerbilities

[bubba18sar]

@Tarraska Even with backup Siege tanks are worthless. 1 Zealot takes 6 vollies from a siege tank, once they have the charge ability they do double damage to Terran's own units. Terran only go bio because they are the only viable option, but become much less cost effective later stages into the game once toss has Storm, Archons, Collossus out all at once doing splash damage.

[massdestruction97]

@Jastro88 idk, every PvT is so fucking one-sided so that either P or T looks incredibly OP. But I think the game is gonna get very balanced with the new expansions, mainly because T will get effective AoE and stronger late game. ;)

[Jastro88]

@massdestruction97 Yes, as Husky says: The matchup is very fragile, and Starcraft is a game of seconds. Small mistakes or incorrect choices for build order can cost the player the game. For the record, I think the game overall is balanced; I just think there are certain elements that are not. Cheers.

[staphinfection]

@Jastro88 ....Colossi you can just A-Move and kill all kinds of shit super easy. Siege tanks however, you really have to control them well to be AGGRESSIVE with them, one bad siege/unsiege and you lose. They are a lot harder to use than people think.

But yeah, on Defense, when they're just sitting there sieged, they totally rape and take no skill.... but then you shouldn't be shoving your units into a turtling Terran siege meat grinder anyway, that's SUICIDE.

[bubba18sar]

@massdestruction97 1 rax is 150 minerals.

[staphinfection]

@massdestruction97 You're not calculating time to construct Cyber Core, and then the long ass time to research Warp gates.... You don't get that shit for free you know.

[XTriplnX]

@Jastro88 not quite op. Till late game.

[Jastro88]

@XTriplnX True, in the earlier stages it's fair. I'm not denying that.

[ttitanb]

@Jastro88 lol why dont you think for a second. 60 probes on two base is past saturation. Mana could have had 90 probes and it wouldn't have mattered

[Jastro88]

@ttitanb right. So due to mules, terrans can mine past saturation, because they can mine a patch simultaneously with an scv. *Past* saturation is to me a bit much.

[ttitanb]

@Jastro88 ya but mules don't add to the saturation. they bring back more minerals per patch. A mule is equivalent not to 3 scvs, but to 3 scvs mining simultaneously. with 60 probes on two base, a lot of the probes are just wandering between mineral patches while the mules mine directly on the patch designated.

[lamersons]

@Jastro88 i do think it's op for zerg to build 50 drones at once

[Jastro88]

@lamersons True although for a zerg to get to the point where they have that much larvae to spare on drones they are likely fully saturated anyway... but yes. Good point.

[oryan141]

@Jastro88 lol, another silver ?

zerg has mass production, toss has chrono boost, terran has mules.

get over it nub

[Jastro88]

@oryan141 Ever watch Maximus Black's channel? He's on his way to GM and he agrees that mules are OP. Granted he's only one player but he's a highly respected one with a lot of subscribers. My point is: it's not just low level players who think this.

[vernalRiemann]

@Jastro88 lol MB is your reference, you`re insane. also, you are aware that he repeatedly said that he jokingly refers to mules as OP.

[Jastro88]

@vernalRiemann Every joke has it's truth.

[hvorforerdetlort]

mana and hansuobs are so bad i would call em semi pros... thorzain and morrow is the backbone of mousesports... not mana and hansuobs they really not that good...

[Silentbreez1]

omg cute again

[shimminess]

8:58

those are some damn good force fields

they hardly stack over each other

[shimminess]

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[Diamondrazer]

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[SuperAwesomeHobo]

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[TheTrueGreenCrayon]

Once you get a word in your head you can't stop saying it....

[AbduCola]

God seeing Terran fall just hits the spot

[OoA9oO]

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[quake63]

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[lcbl2284]

@quake63 FAIL.

[charlie5231990]

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[StarcraftBoten]

@wakkaboom1987 umadbro?

[CrunchyMuffbag]

@wakkaboom1987 AMEN.

[rahrahrahrahrahrahra]

@SieFatLong that's rather strange

[DutchMario14]

@SieFatLong This is the S sound in Thai

[Schlamp96]

@SieFatLong How do you do that?

[AbduCola]

@SieFatLong That just looks like a mess to me

[yisoonshin12]

did he say he sees most of his players alive?

[chuckles731]

@yisoonshin12 no he said he sees most of the players live

[yisoonshin12]

@chuckles731 yeah it would be a problem if he saw some of them dead...

[tig0rp00d]

"good you are looking ... yes ", HD is a such a nerd lmao , but we love you !

[conitron]

I just realized, you kinda sound like X/david64yt

[ChiiN0XL]

@conitron No you fool X/david64yt sounds like HD.

[trashcan1112]

wait... whats going on? i thought tosh lost the last game.....

[dsfajdsfkjl]

nowadays, all the videos i see are rendered perfectly no matter when it was uploaded

[legendofJupp]

@dsfajdsfkjl if the videos were rendered perfectly you would see my beautiful face

[bigdaddyaen]

is anyone else watching this on an Android and getting "format not supported"? If do anyone know how to remedy this?

[JuiceMasher10]

Who likes tacos?

[sealswordroy]

under the 301 views!

[1800akatsuki]

reddit is for niggers. 4chan is better

[zeyn10]

@1800akatsuki it's funny because niggers are superior to you, so thanks mate ^.^

[firedrive45]

LET ME SLEEP!!!.... when im DEAD!"

[TheWICHOness]

LIKE OMG