Is it just me or was that huge brown coat and the huge ugly necklace wearing her...not the other way around????professional women need to learn to dress like professional women....
the only 2 guys in the presidential race or kucinich and ron paul! 2 real life patriots! they make perfect sense in everything they say! yet both sides attack them, even the citizens attack them, america should vote for the guy with the greatest ideas, any 1 of these 2 guys is the right choice if america wants to really stick it to big corporation!
F4 - You need to do some reading, friend. Dennis Kucinich is one of the most far-Left members of Congress. He's a pro-Castro pro-Chavez Socialist through and through. He badmouthed our nation in a Middle Eastern country. How freakin low is that? Does he badmouth members of his own family to strangers? He makes me sick.
--I think he's just fine. I prefer he changed his stance on gun control.
"until he starts exploiting 9/11 and exaggerates his role."
--He hasn't exaggerated his role (example, please). And Hillary hasn't exploited her role (absence)? She wasn't even there & she's got commercials & pics showing her in the rubble, etc.
"No wonder even his daughter prefer Obama over him."
--Sometimes kids grow up with opposing views. I'm not going to hold it against him.
"Have you forgotten his claim to spend just as much time as the rescue workers at ground zero?"
--I don't recall that, but I'm sure he meant it as it applied to the short-term. He did have other duties. But he shouldn't have made such an open-ended promise like that.
its obvious this administration loves mousharof and clearly do not want that woman that came back from exile in pakistan that is being held under house arrest, she is crooked as hell and the administration needs a leader in pakistan that will do what the administration tells them to do!
Do as I say not as I do. while the U.S continues to develope weapons of mass destruction it's tell the rest of the world it can not. Billions of tax payer dollars are being spent daily on the creation of new and more destructive weapons. The American people must stop being the victims of the weapons of mass deception and this distraction and realize that they live under a soft corprorate dictatorship hell bent of world domination.
"The American people must stop being the victims of the weapons of mass deception and this distraction and realize that they live under a soft corprorate dictatorship hell bent of world domination."
no guff-stfu,your government are assholes,the world knows this, so stop hanging around here trying to defend a bunch of lying hypocritical,billionare, warmongers,like the loser no doubt you are.
I'am not going to candy coat my preception of reality as I see it. We're in a LOT OF TROUBLE BIG TROUBLE. FREEDOM AND LIBERTY ARE NOT CHEAP WE MUST SAFE GUARD THEM AT ALL COST OR WE TOO WILL BECOME NOTHING MORE THAN A THIRD WORLD NATION WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS AKA PAKISTAN. HOPE TO HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN.
--Yes we are, from Leftists. You've been brainwashed by Marxism. You need to leave all that hatred and the "rich people are evil" complex you have because they're destroying you. Leave it behind, start to think for yourself, then you'll be able to see the real enemies of our great nation.
"but they actually care about the constitution and civil liberty."
--Is that why Clinton, Feinstein, Pelosi, & Boxer are trying very hard to bring back the Fairness Doctrine so they can "do something about talk radio?" Or how about Pelosi's recent attempts to force the Salvation Army to to hire workers who don't speak any English at all? Sure! That's liberty if I ever heard it!
--You obviously dont know what it is. It forces broadcasters to allow "equal time" to opposing political viewpoints. Govt dictating content. Real American, isnt it?
"whats wrong with workers that cant speak English"
--Obviously you havent thought this through. 1. Safety. Warnings in English that cant be read, etc. 2. Employer's rights to require certain abilities for customer service. Some jobs require bi-lingual employees. But he cant require English?
Yes i know what it is and no the gov doesn't dictates content they just give equal chance for opposing views and let the viewers decide which one is right.
As for the workers what kind of work does Salvation Army do that requires the workers to handle dangerous material?
--That's dictating content!!!!! You just refuse to acknowledge it. Who is this decision up to? The government or the radio station owner? Which is the American choice to you?
"handle dangerous material?"
--In the bigger picture, that isn't finnaly the point. The POINT is that the government is telling an employer that he cannot require his employees speak English in the workplace. Government dictating again.
--Who said all govt dictates were wrong. I personally applaud the fact that our food, for example, is the safest in the world due to govt regulations. But when they dictate content, and who can say what, and what ideas must be challenged and which do not, and how, etc., and how you can't choose an employee to hire, you must hire whomever applies, etc., that's crossing the very obvious line. Too bad you can't see it, Mr. Conservative (shaaa).
Guff if the government doesn't dictate who to hire then blacks, latinos or any other minority you can think of can be discriminated without consequences.
As for the content of tv or radio, do you really want incident like "nipplegate" goes unpunished or unreprimanded?
--No, the law is that you can't refuse to hire someone simply because they're a minority. That's different. I'm talking about freedom of choice.
"content of tv or radio"
--Again, that's not the subject. You keep throwing out either irrelevancies or wrong topic points. The govt is OBLIGATED to manage the airwaves. You want tits turn on Showtime. Besides, regulating nudity/profanity isn't about content, it's about method. Content vs presentation.
"So if the gov has that obligation in regard to entertainment then why not the news?"
--It does. You can't say "fuck" on the news, can you? Plus, as far as what they're saying and how they're saying it, this is where the 1st Amendment comes in. You can't censor the news, buy you can't use the People's airwaves to say "fuck" on the news. See?
"So basically the news can lie as long they don't use profanity?"
--The First Amendment doesn't say you can't lie. But we do have laws against slander and libel. The press can (and does) bend the truth and make innuendo as much as they can without breaking the law. And they're free to do so -- as defined by the law. But the Liberal in you doesn't like the fact that there are laws governing things, do you?
And you came to this conclusion....how? Oh, let me guess; because she works for George Bush, right? Typical Liberal. Anyone who doesn't believe as you do is a Nazi. Good argument, nit-wit.
"Dana may not be a Nazi but she is a "spin doctor (or at least a talker)" and that's despicable enough."
--First, you basically agreed with the guy calling her a Nazi. And second, you condemned her for working for the White House.
FYI: Anyone who works as a press secretary, press agent, public relations, or any such position lives by spin. I've watched WH spokesmen since Reagan and the ones for GWB spend most of their time clarifying the truth after the press has misrepresented everything.
Guff whatever happened to Bush promise of "integrity and honor" in the WH?
Whatever happened to his promise to bring OBL "dead or alive"?
If you are a conservative then you should be against this current administration because they make conservatives and America look bad with their hypocrisy!
"whatever happened to Bush promise of "integrity and honor" in the WH?"
--When the press is foaming at the mouth with hatred for you, it's tough to come across as having integrity & honor. But if you look past all that, he does.
"Whatever happened to his promise to bring OBL "dead or alive"?"
--I wish he had fulfilled that promise. But its like catching any criminal, sometimes it takes longer than expected.
"they make conservatives and America look bad with their hypocrisy!"
"Did you forget the Libby pardon that was straight out of Clinton era?"
--You're such a liar and propagandist. Do you spread these lies and propaganda everywhere you go? Libby wasn't pardoned. His sentence was commuted. And please don't tell me they're the same thing. A pardon is forgiveness and amnesty, commutation just means his sentence was changed, so he still has a conviction and a fine.
"Bush isn't exactly as pure as snow in this department either."
--None are. Name one President since LBJ that made 100% altruistic and just/fair pardons.
Strange how you consider yourself a Conservative yet you have this hatred for GWB. If you look past the press BS, he's actually an honorable man trying to do the right things for our future.
"I'm just pointing out Bush lack of speaking skill signify his lack of leadership skill"
--You're rationalizing once again. One has nothing to do with the other, which is why Liberals at the time used the REVERSE argument about Reagan. Leadership is about actions more than words, nimrod.
"Leadership is about actions more than words, nimrod".
And based on his actions Bush looks more like an unwitting puppet to me.
I mean will you look at the people he surround himself with who has brought a lot of scandal like Katrina debacle, Walter Reed fiasco and Plame affair?
If Bush is smart those people would never have gotten the job they had.
You are sick, this guy is tearing this country DOWN.His administration has killed illegally, put the USA in major debt, lied about EVERYTHING and you call him honorable? You are an IDIOT.
blite, your are absolutely right...I don't know why the American people are not revolting....some say it's the Chem-trails, it make us apathetic....but as for guys like NoGuff...there are none so blind as those that refuse to see.....
--All the natural disasters alone were enough to put us in debt, plus 9/11 & what followed. Also, Reagan put us in debt & it brought the nation back from the brink.
"lied about EVERYTHING"
--Everything? Really? Every thing he's ever said is a lie? Really? Nothing he's ever said, ever, was the truth? Incredible. More so than "Slick Willy?"
Oh yeah, the consevatives spent 60 million on trying to impeach clinton for getting a bj and then spend 2 million on the investigation of 9-11. Defending this administration is a joke and so are you, you're a fraud.
Conservatives? Bush and his cronies are not conservatives, they out spend the Dems, they have added more Governm. agencies than ever before in one admin. They are as close to Nazi's as you will find.They have taken away constitutional rights and anyone who backs them is either hired by them or is just an idiot.
the double standards of international politics are simply amazing. look at the officials doing the splits with their rhetoric of democracy on the one hand and their pragmatic support of dictatorships on the other hand. all done just to keep up appearances. what a waste of effort
"Well gee, how about a stop financial or military aid?"
--So take a major ally in the war on terror and strangle them during a crisis? Good thinking. Their President, though not perfect, is trying to hold together a Democracy in the face of radical Islam. Help him, don't destroy him.
"How about strong condemnation and sanction"
--We asked him to restore Democracy ASAP. Sanctions are never immediate.
"Pakistan is NOT A DEMOCRACY and Musharraf was trying to hold together his DICTATORSHIP!"
--Wrong. Lie.
"Pakistan has a much better alternative in Bhutto?"
--Bhutto was removed from office twice for corruption. She aided the women-beating Taliban. She accepted an amnesty deal to return to Pakistan, then renegged on her word after being granted the amnesty. Nice.
"Musharraf gained his position through COUP D'ETAT and he SUSPEND THE CONSTITUTION TWICE!"
--He was also legitimately elected afterwards, and no, not in a sham election.
"the definition of a dictator"
--I don't like it entirely, but at least he was elected, a referendum extended his term, and he ceded powers to the parliament as a gesture of faith, and he's fighting against terrorism & radical Islam. So we should shit-can him in favor of a pro-Taliban corrupt leader?
--1. Again, he's fighting the forces of radical Islam in Pakistan. 2. One has nothing to do with the other. Any US Gov or Pres can declare martial law as provided by the Constitution & it has nothing to do with his legitimacy in office, Mr. Propagandist.
"She maybe pro Taliban IN THE PAST but at least she wasn't a dictator"
--The past? Right. She wasn't a dictator, & neither is Musharaf. She was CORRUPT in the past, TWICE BOOTED OUT FOR IT. But you refuse to remember.
"No OBL, no stop of AQ proliferation and now a political crisis."
--Just because you don't know about things they stopped from happening doesn't mean they aren't doing anything at all. I've seen plenty of news stories about their successes, including bringing in high ranking AQ members. But you only watch Liberal news. And that place was prime for a crisis for a long time. Too many radical Islam elements. It's a wonder it hasn't happened earlier. Doesn't mean Musharef isn't an ally.
--"Praise for Pakistan after al Qaeda raid", CNN-com 6/26/02. "Pakistan Gains in Al Qaeda Hunt" CSM-com 3/16/04. "Pakistan captures high-level al Qaeda operative" CNN-com 8/3/04. "Number Three?" LongWarJournal-org 5/4/05. "Top Taliban official captured in Pakistan" Sydney Morning Herald 3/3/07. Should I go on?
"any news source besides Fox is liberal?"
--It's quite safe to say the overwhelming majority of top news orgs are. No?
"Oh Guff if you really believe that then the bridge already sold."
--I've written, reported, photographed, and edited news stories for broadcast before (broadcast journalist). That, combined with class instruction on de-constructing news & other media, media ethics, and comparisons with foreign media, etc., I think I have a little bit more insight as to when the news is biased or not.
--1 Spin is everywhere. If you don't believe that, you need to take another look around. The spin starts with the reporter who first gets the info, then his producer, then his editor (and others), then through the copy writer and editor, etc. 2 You should give her a chance FIRST before making such assumptions. She just started, for cryin out loud.
3 The WH Spokesman is where the press gets the official word from the WH other than from direct interviews. Probably 90% of the conferences are about the WH giving the press information, and you don't see those. So the few they do show may be on touchy subjects. Do you really think the WH is going to show all its cards to the world just because of some silly notion that the Spokesman MUST tell the press everything?
She's the most evil press secretary yet. If Pakistan doesn't obey Bush...
Well, here's a nugget from 2006 (delivered by Richard Armitage, from BBC news) "The US threatened to bomb Pakistan "back to the stone age" unless it joined the fight against al-Qaeda, President Pervez Musharraf has said."
Have youn been awake the past 7 years? Do you know what the US Constitution is? Do you knnow which rights it protects? Do you know anything about International law?
Guff, you really should stop this RedState/Freepers/Factor nonsense.
If you really hate the libs for their immorality then you should hate the repub even more because they're just as bad and what's worse is their scandals make conservatives looks bad as well.
--LOL! Perriono's been on the job for a week! But all of a sudden she's a Nazi to you? Please don't sink to the Liberal's level, you actually started to build a little respect there. And like I said, Musharef is our ally in the war on terror & is trying to keep radical Islam from taking over. Are those two things, along with the others I mentioned, just not enough for you?
--But you're a Conservative? Libs believe you're 'just as bad' as Nazis, too. So let me get this straight. WH Spokesman is "as bad" as those who rounded up innocent human beings, women & children, starved them, & led them into gas chambers? Yeah, that's quite logical.
"used to be our ally?"
--OBL didn't lead a nation, therefore not technically an ally. He was one of many in a band of freedom fighters who later turned on his benefactors like a piece of shit.
Your one smart cookie....you make perfect sense, but America needs to wake up and Stop our own dictators from destroying our country and taking away our freedoms...we need to fear our own gov't more than any foriegn Gov't
Mashariff is our ally against terror? For a journalist you don't know much. Seems like you are one of these trained "debunkers" that float through the internet all day trying to put out fires.His country has the biggest Radical of islam in it ,REMEMBER? What's his name,that Osama guy?
Oh really, then why have they been in safe haven in Pakistan since they were booted from Afghanistan? It's all a game and you trying to make out like you know the game better than others is a joke. Money linked to Atta,remember him, came from Pakistan, so no, you are wrong again and your "debunking " will never work on people who have a brain.Why don't you do something useful and use your energy to spread the truth instead of trying to supress it. That's what communists do, supress the truth.
"Oh really, then why have they been in safe haven in Pakistan since they were booted from Afghanistan?"
--You just don't know anything about anything, do you? There are vast areas of the Pak border with Afgh that are not controlled by the govt, but by local tribes. And besides that, again, I was referring to radical elements TAKING OVER THE GOVT.
"people who have a brain"
--HAA! Well, I hope you're not referring to yourself!
--So in a hypothetical sea battle, instead of doing something not so in line with your integrity to save your ship & crew, you'd rather all were lost so long as you kept your integrity? Quite valiant, & dead. And after you & your comrades were at the bottom of the sea, who would know about your valiant integrity? No one. All they'd know is that you lost the battle & didn't do everything you could to save your ship & crew, & that you're dead.
"If Nelson can win without compromising his integrity then why can't we?"
--Like I said before, the example of Nelson doesn't factor into this hypothetical situation. Pray tell what he could have done that was entirely unethical in wartime that would have directly lead to his survival? It's a hypothetical, not an examination of a real incident, dim-wit.
lalee - The messages posted under the account name 'brianjcavanaugh' are from me. I promised I'd post some videos to YouTube for 2 friends of mine tonight because I have the software to convert them and while waiting I decided to check my email and I responded while signed on to my friend's account. So direct all anger toward me, of course.
the US supporterts on terrorism; Pakistan (dictatorship), S. Arabia (dictatorship), Egypt (Dictatorship), Kuwait (dictatorship). Are any of these countries moving towards freedom????
--Pakistan & Egypt are officially a Republics. Mubarak & Musharraf were elected. Kuwait is a Constitutional Monarchy just like Denmark & Norway, among others. S.A. is an absolute monarchy (difference from a dictatorship is that the dictators are members of a ruling family).
hey, give me a break! Even Saddam got elected (99% voted for him). You do not know much about Norway & Kuwait if you think they are in any way alike, and heck I am not saying Norway is great. In SA a women got sent to jail for being mass-raped. And in Pakistan general Musharraf has suspended the constitution.
"In SA a women got sent to jail for being mass-raped."
--Actually she was sent to jail (and lashed) for being with a man in public who was not her husband, and without a family approved escort. So was that you not knowing what you're talking about, or were you intentionally trying to pass that off as the truth?
Noguff, please read a book. Even if some countries have kings it doesnt mean that those kings actually have any power.
And yes, I do know that the the girl in SA officially was sent to jail for being with a man, not for being raped. Your missing the point. The US is sending billions of dollars to these countries, just like they used billions on Sadam Hussain/Bin Laiden/Pakistan (who actually was behind the Taliban regime in
"And yes, I do know that the the girl in SA officially was sent to jail for being with a man, not for being raped. Your missing the point"
--That's proof you lied, knowingly. Please write "I lied about that." Thanks. And the point IS the truth, sir. You Liberals whine all day long about Conservatives lying, but you really feel it's totally okay for you to lie if its part of making a "point." You're so pathetic.
"Guff you're avoiding answering his points which is why do we keep countries like SA as "allies" when they've done something like this?"
--You're the last person on this board who should ignore the "lying" part. But I've always pegged you as a Liberal, I knew I was right all along. And regarding S.A., he should ask an adult about that, I've explained it to too many children already.
"It matters because if you're appalled then how can you justify such a country to be our "ally"?"
--One has little to do with the other, especially in a time of war. Please tell me one occasion where the USA declared an ally an enemy (or broke off relations) because of an internal injustice committed in their country, yet which adhered to their laws (making it difficult to claim it an 'injustice'). Please give me just one, that's all I ask. Precedent speaks volumes, friend.
And please give us all a break about Liberals/Rep. This is about doing good and not doing bad, as your president Lincoln once said. You can actually be a Rep. and not support these countries.
"Guff, in case you don't know dissent is patriotic."
--No, it isn't. Dissent is your RIGHT as a citizen. How in the living fuck is dissent patriotic, please tell me. Do your parents appreciate your obedience & respect & family loyalty when you actively accuse them of lying to you and protest their every decision and question their motives for everything? NO THEY DON'T. But don't take my word, go ask them.
lalee - You might mean dissent as in "You know, I've thought about this policy & given it all due consideration as part of the big picture, & I can't agree with it." I'm talking about "I hate this President, he's not my President bc he fixed the election, & I'm going to do everything I can, incl' undermining my own nation in order to shame & ridicule him to the rest of the world, & I'll dissent against everything he does because that's the patriotic thing to do because I read it somewhere."
So what makes you think the dissent from libs are motivated by "undermining my own nation in order to shame & ridicule him to the rest of the world, & I'll dissent against everything he does because that's the patriotic thing to do because I read it somewhere" hmm?
--From my analysis of people, organizations, messages, responses, explanations, lies, propaganda, etc., from thousands of Liberals, Leftists, Socialists, Communists, Anarchists, and enemies of America for the past 6 years.
That's probably because we both like liberty and civil rights, even though the libs dislikes the rights to own guns and i dislike their right for abortion and gay marriage.
--I share those with you, but I'm against things Liberals want, such as the Fairness Doctrine, etc. And we need to not look at state IDs and drivers licenses for illegals as "civil rights" issues, because they aren't. Pretty soon we won't be able to deny illegal aliens the "right" to vote because it will be seen as a civil rights violation, thanks to Liberals.
I do not agree that the so called "fight against terrorism" can be won, and I do not think going to war "pre-emt" is in any way helping control terrorism. It was actually Stalin who started saying "either your with me our against me". In so much I guess your a Stalinist...
You can fight terror with other means than war. If you sound like a Stalinist (like you, NoGff, actually do) you must be one, or maybe you are just a dumbass. Really not worth my time anymore...
FRAUDS! THIS IS NOT AMERICA ANYMORE! Questionable elections, GAY SEX SCANDALS. CHILDREN MOLESTED BY REPUBLICANS! 9 BILLION of OUR tax dollars missing in Iraq. The FAILED rescue in the aftermath of KATRINA. A country divided. FOX NEWS PROPAGANDA..A media that is full of idiots. Corporations have more rights than citizens. AT&T, Verizon aiding Bush and co. to SPY ON US! Lies, scandals, depression. Hungry children, illegasl, no healthcare and DEAD SOLDERS FOR OIL.
--So there's no such thing as scandals among Democrats? When Republicans are involved in a scandal they either resign or are kicked out by the party. Dems always deny everything, then claim they're the victims of a "vast right-wing conspiracy." And no one is saying Iraq is connected with 9/11. Iraq, though, is part of the war on terrorism. And you can't spell "Democrat" or "Liberal" without "hypocrisy."
"When Republicans are involved in a scandal they either resign or are kicked out by the party".
Really? So what's Larry Craig and Vitter still doing in congress?
"And you can't spell "Democrat" or "Liberal" without "hypocrisy".
I dislike Democrat immorality but at least they never pretend to stand for family values only to be caught in a scandal involving prostitutes or homosexuality.
"So what's Larry Craig and Vitter still doing in congress?"
--Craig was going to resign, remember? And his fellow Reps asked him to resign. Then he made a move out of the Democrat playbook. But they're still trying to get rid of him. I don't know anything about Vitter.
"only to be caught in a scandal involving prostitutes or homosexuality."
--And you attribute that rare exception to all Conservatives? Typical Liberal move.
Note how the propaganda mouthpiece for the Bush Crime Family (Perino-bot) attempts to beat the war drum against Iran.
freestuffffff 4 years ago
I hear she loves anal sex
kurdistaniatheist 4 years ago
Is it just me or was that huge brown coat and the huge ugly necklace wearing her...not the other way around????professional women need to learn to dress like professional women....
Kisinkona 4 years ago
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Firestarthe 4 years ago
the only 2 guys in the presidential race or kucinich and ron paul! 2 real life patriots! they make perfect sense in everything they say! yet both sides attack them, even the citizens attack them, america should vote for the guy with the greatest ideas, any 1 of these 2 guys is the right choice if america wants to really stick it to big corporation!
F4O4U4R4S 4 years ago
F4 - You need to do some reading, friend. Dennis Kucinich is one of the most far-Left members of Congress. He's a pro-Castro pro-Chavez Socialist through and through. He badmouthed our nation in a Middle Eastern country. How freakin low is that? Does he badmouth members of his own family to strangers? He makes me sick.
NoGuff 4 years ago
If Kucinich makes you sick then how about Giuliani?
I USED to like him until he starts exploiting 9/11 and exaggerates his role.
No wonder even his daughter prefer Obama over him.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"how about Giuliani?"
--I think he's just fine. I prefer he changed his stance on gun control.
"until he starts exploiting 9/11 and exaggerates his role."
--He hasn't exaggerated his role (example, please). And Hillary hasn't exploited her role (absence)? She wasn't even there & she's got commercials & pics showing her in the rubble, etc.
"No wonder even his daughter prefer Obama over him."
--Sometimes kids grow up with opposing views. I'm not going to hold it against him.
NoGuff 4 years ago
What? Have you forgotten his claim to spend just as much time as the rescue workers at ground zero?
The tragic thing is he doesn't have to do it like that.
He can go with his record as mayor in matters of crime reduction.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"Have you forgotten his claim to spend just as much time as the rescue workers at ground zero?"
--I don't recall that, but I'm sure he meant it as it applied to the short-term. He did have other duties. But he shouldn't have made such an open-ended promise like that.
NoGuff 4 years ago
its obvious this administration loves mousharof and clearly do not want that woman that came back from exile in pakistan that is being held under house arrest, she is crooked as hell and the administration needs a leader in pakistan that will do what the administration tells them to do!
F4O4U4R4S 4 years ago
Do as I say not as I do. while the U.S continues to develope weapons of mass destruction it's tell the rest of the world it can not. Billions of tax payer dollars are being spent daily on the creation of new and more destructive weapons. The American people must stop being the victims of the weapons of mass deception and this distraction and realize that they live under a soft corprorate dictatorship hell bent of world domination.
777castro777 4 years ago
"The American people must stop being the victims of the weapons of mass deception and this distraction and realize that they live under a soft corprorate dictatorship hell bent of world domination."
--Right. Whatever dude.
NoGuff 4 years ago
no guff-stfu,your government are assholes,the world knows this, so stop hanging around here trying to defend a bunch of lying hypocritical,billionare, warmongers,like the loser no doubt you are.
juggz79 4 years ago
jug - I really like your link to a pro-Ahmadinejad video. Shows me you're not a lying, hypocritical, warmongering, loser, racist asshole.
NoGuff 4 years ago
I'am not going to candy coat my preception of reality as I see it. We're in a LOT OF TROUBLE BIG TROUBLE. FREEDOM AND LIBERTY ARE NOT CHEAP WE MUST SAFE GUARD THEM AT ALL COST OR WE TOO WILL BECOME NOTHING MORE THAN A THIRD WORLD NATION WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS AKA PAKISTAN. HOPE TO HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN.
777castro777 4 years ago
"We're in a LOT OF TROUBLE BIG TROUBLE."
--Yes we are, from Leftists. You've been brainwashed by Marxism. You need to leave all that hatred and the "rich people are evil" complex you have because they're destroying you. Leave it behind, start to think for yourself, then you'll be able to see the real enemies of our great nation.
NoGuff 4 years ago
"Yes we are, from Leftists".
Guff, it seems to me you're the one who's been brainwashed.
The libs are immoral yes but they actually care about the constitution and civil liberty.
Two things that AMERICA SUPPOSED TO STAND FOR!
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"but they actually care about the constitution and civil liberty."
--Is that why Clinton, Feinstein, Pelosi, & Boxer are trying very hard to bring back the Fairness Doctrine so they can "do something about talk radio?" Or how about Pelosi's recent attempts to force the Salvation Army to to hire workers who don't speak any English at all? Sure! That's liberty if I ever heard it!
NoGuff 4 years ago
What's wrong with Fairness Doctrine? In fact what's wrong with Fairness AT ALL?
And what's wrong with workers that can't speak English as long as they're here legally?
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"Whats wrong with Fairness Doctrine?"
--You obviously dont know what it is. It forces broadcasters to allow "equal time" to opposing political viewpoints. Govt dictating content. Real American, isnt it?
"whats wrong with workers that cant speak English"
--Obviously you havent thought this through. 1. Safety. Warnings in English that cant be read, etc. 2. Employer's rights to require certain abilities for customer service. Some jobs require bi-lingual employees. But he cant require English?
NoGuff 4 years ago
Yes i know what it is and no the gov doesn't dictates content they just give equal chance for opposing views and let the viewers decide which one is right.
As for the workers what kind of work does Salvation Army do that requires the workers to handle dangerous material?
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"they just give equal chance for opposing views"
--That's dictating content!!!!! You just refuse to acknowledge it. Who is this decision up to? The government or the radio station owner? Which is the American choice to you?
"handle dangerous material?"
--In the bigger picture, that isn't finnaly the point. The POINT is that the government is telling an employer that he cannot require his employees speak English in the workplace. Government dictating again.
NoGuff 4 years ago
Guff, not all government dictates are wrong as long they're not dictating our privacy and our civil liberty,
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"Guff, not all government dictates are wrong"
--Who said all govt dictates were wrong. I personally applaud the fact that our food, for example, is the safest in the world due to govt regulations. But when they dictate content, and who can say what, and what ideas must be challenged and which do not, and how, etc., and how you can't choose an employee to hire, you must hire whomever applies, etc., that's crossing the very obvious line. Too bad you can't see it, Mr. Conservative (shaaa).
NoGuff 4 years ago
Guff if the government doesn't dictate who to hire then blacks, latinos or any other minority you can think of can be discriminated without consequences.
As for the content of tv or radio, do you really want incident like "nipplegate" goes unpunished or unreprimanded?
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"then blacks, latinos or any other minority"
--No, the law is that you can't refuse to hire someone simply because they're a minority. That's different. I'm talking about freedom of choice.
"content of tv or radio"
--Again, that's not the subject. You keep throwing out either irrelevancies or wrong topic points. The govt is OBLIGATED to manage the airwaves. You want tits turn on Showtime. Besides, regulating nudity/profanity isn't about content, it's about method. Content vs presentation.
NoGuff 4 years ago
"The govt is OBLIGATED to manage the airwaves".
So if the gov has that obligation in regard to entertainment then why not the news?
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"So if the gov has that obligation in regard to entertainment then why not the news?"
--It does. You can't say "fuck" on the news, can you? Plus, as far as what they're saying and how they're saying it, this is where the 1st Amendment comes in. You can't censor the news, buy you can't use the People's airwaves to say "fuck" on the news. See?
NoGuff 4 years ago
So basically the news can lie as long they don't use profanity?
I don't think that's what the 1st amendment means.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"So basically the news can lie as long they don't use profanity?"
--The First Amendment doesn't say you can't lie. But we do have laws against slander and libel. The press can (and does) bend the truth and make innuendo as much as they can without breaking the law. And they're free to do so -- as defined by the law. But the Liberal in you doesn't like the fact that there are laws governing things, do you?
NoGuff 4 years ago
"But the Liberal in you doesn't like the fact that there are laws governing things, do you?".
The "liberal" in me doesn't like ANY lie from ANY news media.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
This chick is a fascist nazi trick.
bigbadmuthafukkah 4 years ago
"This chick is a fascist nazi trick."
And you came to this conclusion....how? Oh, let me guess; because she works for George Bush, right? Typical Liberal. Anyone who doesn't believe as you do is a Nazi. Good argument, nit-wit.
NoGuff 4 years ago
No Guff (heh heh).
But because she spinned for the WH.
How's that for good argument?
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"How's that for good argument?"
That's not an argument. It's just you being a typical Liberal. You've got nothing but calling Conservatives "Nazis."
NoGuff 4 years ago
Guff i'm not a liberal.
In fact i'm fairly conservative considering i'm against abortion and gay marriage.
But i'm a not a partisan sheep who defend any one just because he or she is a repub.
Dana may not be a Nazi but she is a "spin doctor (or at least a talker)" and that's despicable enough.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"Dana may not be a Nazi but she is a "spin doctor (or at least a talker)" and that's despicable enough."
--First, you basically agreed with the guy calling her a Nazi. And second, you condemned her for working for the White House.
FYI: Anyone who works as a press secretary, press agent, public relations, or any such position lives by spin. I've watched WH spokesmen since Reagan and the ones for GWB spend most of their time clarifying the truth after the press has misrepresented everything.
NoGuff 4 years ago
Guff whatever happened to Bush promise of "integrity and honor" in the WH?
Whatever happened to his promise to bring OBL "dead or alive"?
If you are a conservative then you should be against this current administration because they make conservatives and America look bad with their hypocrisy!
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"whatever happened to Bush promise of "integrity and honor" in the WH?"
--When the press is foaming at the mouth with hatred for you, it's tough to come across as having integrity & honor. But if you look past all that, he does.
"Whatever happened to his promise to bring OBL "dead or alive"?"
--I wish he had fulfilled that promise. But its like catching any criminal, sometimes it takes longer than expected.
"they make conservatives and America look bad with their hypocrisy!"
--Such as?
NoGuff 4 years ago
Such as?
Did you forget the Libby pardon that was straight out of Clinton era?
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"Did you forget the Libby pardon that was straight out of Clinton era?"
--You're such a liar and propagandist. Do you spread these lies and propaganda everywhere you go? Libby wasn't pardoned. His sentence was commuted. And please don't tell me they're the same thing. A pardon is forgiveness and amnesty, commutation just means his sentence was changed, so he still has a conviction and a fine.
NoGuff 4 years ago
A conviction and a fine, oh boy what a "punishment".
If Libby was a dem would you still think he got the appropriate "punishment"?
Or would you be railing at the libs for undermining America and whatnot?
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"A conviction and a fine, oh boy what a "punishment"."
--Others have gotten less in this world. Don't like it? Write your Congressman.
"If Libby was a dem"
--The investigation itself was trumped up and baseless to begin with. A witch hunt. But he was stupid and got what he deserved.
"for undermining America"
--The investigation itself was just that, to a degree. Commuting the sentence of the VP's right hand man isn't undermining America.
NoGuff 4 years ago
Well then next time you shouldn't bring up any of Clinton's pardon either if you don't think Libby precedent isn't undermining America.
You see? This is the kind of double standard by repub that makes conservatives look bad.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"Well then next time you shouldn't bring up any of Clinton's pardon either"
--Please show me where I brought up Clinton's pardons.
NoGuff 4 years ago
Well if you never brought up any of Clinton pardon in a discussion then good for you.
But if someday you do then please remember that Bush isn't exactly as pure as snow in this department either.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"Bush isn't exactly as pure as snow in this department either."
--None are. Name one President since LBJ that made 100% altruistic and just/fair pardons.
Strange how you consider yourself a Conservative yet you have this hatred for GWB. If you look past the press BS, he's actually an honorable man trying to do the right things for our future.
NoGuff 4 years ago
I don't hate Bush.
If anything i feel kind of sorry for him.
He reminds me of Pu Yi, China's last emperor.
They both want to do the right thing but instead become like a puppet for the people around them.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"I don't hate Bush"
--Then you fooled me on that one.
"They both want to do the right thing but instead become like a puppet for the people around them."
--He's no one's puppet. Anyone who's been around him has said he is his own man, and they like and respect him.
NoGuff 4 years ago
Well of course they say that.
What are they going to say? "He's such a fool he can be played like a violin"?.
I like him but i don't respect him as a leader, i think he's in way over his head.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"What are they going to say?"
--There's the Liberal in you showing it's ugly head again with a typical response.
"i think he's in way over his head."
--Didn't they say the same about Reagan? And who do you think won't be over his head, Obama??
NoGuff 4 years ago
"There's the Liberal in you showing it's ugly head again with a typical response".
No, that's the independent conservative in me.
BTW Reagan is a much better speaker than Bush.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"BTW Reagan is a much better speaker than Bush."
--Were we talking about speaking ability? No.
NoGuff 4 years ago
I'm just pointing out Bush lack of speaking skill signify his lack of leadership skill which is why i think he's only an unwitting puppet like Pu Yi.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"I'm just pointing out Bush lack of speaking skill signify his lack of leadership skill"
--You're rationalizing once again. One has nothing to do with the other, which is why Liberals at the time used the REVERSE argument about Reagan. Leadership is about actions more than words, nimrod.
NoGuff 4 years ago
"Leadership is about actions more than words, nimrod".
And based on his actions Bush looks more like an unwitting puppet to me.
I mean will you look at the people he surround himself with who has brought a lot of scandal like Katrina debacle, Walter Reed fiasco and Plame affair?
If Bush is smart those people would never have gotten the job they had.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
Bush has "never" tried to do the right thing...he is a puppet for the Rich corporation and that is all....he does not care about anything else....
Kisinkona 4 years ago
"Bush has "never" tried to do the right thing...he is a puppet for the Rich corporation and that is all....he does not care about anything else...."
--Thank you, Karl Marx.
NoGuff 4 years ago
You are sick, this guy is tearing this country DOWN.His administration has killed illegally, put the USA in major debt, lied about EVERYTHING and you call him honorable? You are an IDIOT.
blite13 4 years ago
blite, your are absolutely right...I don't know why the American people are not revolting....some say it's the Chem-trails, it make us apathetic....but as for guys like NoGuff...there are none so blind as those that refuse to see.....
Kisinkona 4 years ago
"I don't know why the American people are not revolting"
--Yes, keep listening to those Communists who are goading you to revolt. The aftermath will be WONDERFUL, don't you think?
"some say it's the Chem-trails, it make us apathetic"
--Ummm.....What?
NoGuff 4 years ago
"this guy is tearing this country DOWN"
--By defending it? Nice logic.
"His administration has killed illegally"
--Examples?
"put the USA in major debt"
--All the natural disasters alone were enough to put us in debt, plus 9/11 & what followed. Also, Reagan put us in debt & it brought the nation back from the brink.
"lied about EVERYTHING"
--Everything? Really? Every thing he's ever said is a lie? Really? Nothing he's ever said, ever, was the truth? Incredible. More so than "Slick Willy?"
NoGuff 4 years ago
Oh yeah, the consevatives spent 60 million on trying to impeach clinton for getting a bj and then spend 2 million on the investigation of 9-11. Defending this administration is a joke and so are you, you're a fraud.
blite13 4 years ago
"trying to impeach clinton for getting a bj"
--Now you're lying outright. Please show me where in the Constitution the House of Representatives can impeach the President for getting a blowjob.
NoGuff 4 years ago
Conservatives? Bush and his cronies are not conservatives, they out spend the Dems, they have added more Governm. agencies than ever before in one admin. They are as close to Nazi's as you will find.They have taken away constitutional rights and anyone who backs them is either hired by them or is just an idiot.
blite13 4 years ago
"they out spend the Dems, they have added more Governm. agencies than ever before in one admin"
--12 of the most costly hurricanes in US history occured during GWB's term, plus 9/11 and the war on terror.
"they have added more Governm. agencies than ever before in one admin"
--Because the war on terror required it.
"They are as close to Nazi's as you will find.They have taken away constitutional rights"
--YES! And there goes the "Nazi" bomb! Well done, my Liberal friend.
NoGuff 4 years ago
catch that little smile at 2:44? i wonder what distracted her. little devil...
thid1 4 years ago
the double standards of international politics are simply amazing. look at the officials doing the splits with their rhetoric of democracy on the one hand and their pragmatic support of dictatorships on the other hand. all done just to keep up appearances. what a waste of effort
p5hafa2 4 years ago
"with their rhetoric of democracy on the one hand and their pragmatic support of dictatorships on the other hand"
--So what would you do about Pakistan? Right now, not next year or next month.
NoGuff 4 years ago
Well gee, how about a stop financial or military aid?
How about strong condemnation and sanction, you know like the one on Saddam pre Iraq war?
How about ACTUALLY SUPPORT A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY EVEN THOUGH IT HAS DIFFERENT INTEREST FROM AMERICA THAN A DICTATORSHIP WHO KISSED AMERICA'S ASS?!
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"Well gee, how about a stop financial or military aid?"
--So take a major ally in the war on terror and strangle them during a crisis? Good thinking. Their President, though not perfect, is trying to hold together a Democracy in the face of radical Islam. Help him, don't destroy him.
"How about strong condemnation and sanction"
--We asked him to restore Democracy ASAP. Sanctions are never immediate.
"How about ACTUALLY SUPPORT A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY"
--That's what we're trying to do.
NoGuff 4 years ago
Huh?
Pakistan is NOT A DEMOCRACY and Musharraf was trying to hold together his DICTATORSHIP!
I know because Suharto tried to pull the same crap back in 98 and he got deposed for it.
Are we that starving for an ally that we settle for a third world dictator like Musharraf while Pakistan has a much better alternative in Bhutto?
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"Pakistan is NOT A DEMOCRACY and Musharraf was trying to hold together his DICTATORSHIP!"
--Wrong. Lie.
"Pakistan has a much better alternative in Bhutto?"
--Bhutto was removed from office twice for corruption. She aided the women-beating Taliban. She accepted an amnesty deal to return to Pakistan, then renegged on her word after being granted the amnesty. Nice.
NoGuff 4 years ago
Guff, Musharraf gained his position through COUP D'ETAT and he SUSPEND THE CONSTITUTION TWICE!
If that's not the definition of a dictator THEN WHAT KIND OF AMERICAN ARE YOU?!
As for Bhutto at least she's not a dictator while she's a PM.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"Musharraf gained his position through COUP D'ETAT and he SUSPEND THE CONSTITUTION TWICE!"
--He was also legitimately elected afterwards, and no, not in a sham election.
"the definition of a dictator"
--I don't like it entirely, but at least he was elected, a referendum extended his term, and he ceded powers to the parliament as a gesture of faith, and he's fighting against terrorism & radical Islam. So we should shit-can him in favor of a pro-Taliban corrupt leader?
NoGuff 4 years ago
"He was also legitimately elected afterwards, and no, not in a sham election".
If it wasn't a sham THEN WHY DID HE SUSPEND THE CONSTITUTION TWICE?!
I understand the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing but not when there's a better alternative in Bhutto.
She maybe pro Taliban IN THE PAST but at least she wasn't a dictator while she's PM.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"If it wasn't a sham"
--1. Again, he's fighting the forces of radical Islam in Pakistan. 2. One has nothing to do with the other. Any US Gov or Pres can declare martial law as provided by the Constitution & it has nothing to do with his legitimacy in office, Mr. Propagandist.
"She maybe pro Taliban IN THE PAST but at least she wasn't a dictator"
--The past? Right. She wasn't a dictator, & neither is Musharaf. She was CORRUPT in the past, TWICE BOOTED OUT FOR IT. But you refuse to remember.
NoGuff 4 years ago
Guff, would you still be this "understanding" of Musharraf if he wasn't a US "ally"?
You can call me whatever you want but eventually you have to admit to yourself that America has been taken for a ride by this "ally".
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"would you still be this "understanding" of Musharraf if he wasn't a US "ally"?
--That's just one positive point in his favor, he has others, which I have given you. If he had none of these, most likely no.
"taken for a ride by this "ally"."
--No, I don't believe that. Why would I?
NoGuff 4 years ago
Guff, what do we have to show from this "alliance" with Musharraf?
No OBL, no stop of AQ proliferation and now a political crisis.
What good is an ally if he does more harm than the enemy?
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"No OBL, no stop of AQ proliferation and now a political crisis."
--Just because you don't know about things they stopped from happening doesn't mean they aren't doing anything at all. I've seen plenty of news stories about their successes, including bringing in high ranking AQ members. But you only watch Liberal news. And that place was prime for a crisis for a long time. Too many radical Islam elements. It's a wonder it hasn't happened earlier. Doesn't mean Musharef isn't an ally.
NoGuff 4 years ago
High ranking AQ members?
Such as?
BTW what do you mean by liberal news?
Or do you think any news source besides Fox is liberal?
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"High ranking AQ members? Such as?"
--"Praise for Pakistan after al Qaeda raid", CNN-com 6/26/02. "Pakistan Gains in Al Qaeda Hunt" CSM-com 3/16/04. "Pakistan captures high-level al Qaeda operative" CNN-com 8/3/04. "Number Three?" LongWarJournal-org 5/4/05. "Top Taliban official captured in Pakistan" Sydney Morning Herald 3/3/07. Should I go on?
"any news source besides Fox is liberal?"
--It's quite safe to say the overwhelming majority of top news orgs are. No?
NoGuff 4 years ago
"It's quite safe to say the overwhelming majority of top news orgs are".
Oh Guff if you really believe that then the bridge already sold.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"Oh Guff if you really believe that then the bridge already sold."
--I've written, reported, photographed, and edited news stories for broadcast before (broadcast journalist). That, combined with class instruction on de-constructing news & other media, media ethics, and comparisons with foreign media, etc., I think I have a little bit more insight as to when the news is biased or not.
NoGuff 4 years ago
"I think I have a little bit more insight as to when the news is biased or not".
Well then you should be more skeptical to WH spin then (Or any spin for that matter) instead of defending the one who bring it.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"instead of defending the one who bring it."
--1 Spin is everywhere. If you don't believe that, you need to take another look around. The spin starts with the reporter who first gets the info, then his producer, then his editor (and others), then through the copy writer and editor, etc. 2 You should give her a chance FIRST before making such assumptions. She just started, for cryin out loud.
NoGuff 4 years ago
3 The WH Spokesman is where the press gets the official word from the WH other than from direct interviews. Probably 90% of the conferences are about the WH giving the press information, and you don't see those. So the few they do show may be on touchy subjects. Do you really think the WH is going to show all its cards to the world just because of some silly notion that the Spokesman MUST tell the press everything?
NoGuff 4 years ago
CJ Cregg... she is not!!!
HSEZ3 4 years ago
"CJ Cregg... she is not!!!"
--You're right. Then again, she's not Wonder Woman, either. So what's your point?
NoGuff 4 years ago
She's the most evil press secretary yet. If Pakistan doesn't obey Bush...
Well, here's a nugget from 2006 (delivered by Richard Armitage, from BBC news) "The US threatened to bomb Pakistan "back to the stone age" unless it joined the fight against al-Qaeda, President Pervez Musharraf has said."
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"She's the most evil press secretary yet"
--She's more evil than Marlin Fitzwater? I doubt it.
NoGuff 4 years ago
You got my point though-- right? Pretty f*ckin' evil.
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BTW-- Well stop calling Republicans nazis, when they stop acting like nazis. Not before.
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"when they stop acting like nazis"
--Such as?
NoGuff 4 years ago
Have youn been awake the past 7 years? Do you know what the US Constitution is? Do you knnow which rights it protects? Do you know anything about International law?
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"Have youn been awake the past 7 years?"
--Yes, and I've seen the Liberals trying to undermine this nation.
"Do you know what the US Constitution is?"
--Yes, and I've seen the Liberals trying to change it to their liking.
"Do you knnow which rights it protects?"
--Yes, probably better than you do.
"Do you know anything about International law?"
--Yes, it's a lot like paper money. It's only worth what people will accept it to be worth. And BTW, the UN is not a sovereign power over the USA.
NoGuff 4 years ago
Guff, you really should stop this RedState/Freepers/Factor nonsense.
If you really hate the libs for their immorality then you should hate the repub even more because they're just as bad and what's worse is their scandals make conservatives looks bad as well.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"stop this RedState/Freepers/Factor nonsense"
--Sorry if the truth hurts.
"hate the repub even more because they're just as bad"
--They're not perfect, by a longshot, but they're nowhere near the Libs.
"their scandals make conservatives looks bad as well."
--No argument there. I really wish they'd get their shit together. But they're so much better than the Dems.
NoGuff 4 years ago
Guff, if you believe the repub is better than dem then there's a bridge in Brooklyn you might like to buy.
You should stop being partisan about party and start being concern about ISSUES.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"Guff, if you believe the repub is better than dem then there's a bridge in Brooklyn you might like to buy."
--Didn't Donald Trump sell that a few times?
"You should stop being partisan about party and start being concern about ISSUES."
--Believe me, I'm no die-hard Republican, I'm a die-hard Conservative. I'm an American first, a Conservative second, and a Republican third.
NoGuff 4 years ago
Well if you're not a die hard republican why are you defending the likes of Perrino or even Musharraf?
I'm conservative but i'm willing to NOT support republican even if it means the libs wins.
Winning isn't everything, integrity is everything.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"Perrino or even Musharraf?"
--LOL! Perriono's been on the job for a week! But all of a sudden she's a Nazi to you? Please don't sink to the Liberal's level, you actually started to build a little respect there. And like I said, Musharef is our ally in the war on terror & is trying to keep radical Islam from taking over. Are those two things, along with the others I mentioned, just not enough for you?
NoGuff 4 years ago
Hey I DON'T THINK SHE'S A NAZI!
I think she's a spin doctor which is JUST AS BAD.
As for Musharraf being our ally you know who else used to be our ally? OSAMA BIN LADIN!
Such "allies" tend to have the tendency to bite you back.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"spin doctor which is JUST AS BAD"
--But you're a Conservative? Libs believe you're 'just as bad' as Nazis, too. So let me get this straight. WH Spokesman is "as bad" as those who rounded up innocent human beings, women & children, starved them, & led them into gas chambers? Yeah, that's quite logical.
"used to be our ally?"
--OBL didn't lead a nation, therefore not technically an ally. He was one of many in a band of freedom fighters who later turned on his benefactors like a piece of shit.
NoGuff 4 years ago
Here's the logic, you know why some good people do nothing when their gov do bad things?
Because they believe the lies from spin doctors who tell them it was all for their own good.
BTW OBL may not be a nation leader but the logic for supporting him is the same logic that keeps Musharraf as our "ally".
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" which i understand sometimes necessary but not when the "friend" is just as bad as the enemy.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
Your one smart cookie....you make perfect sense, but America needs to wake up and Stop our own dictators from destroying our country and taking away our freedoms...we need to fear our own gov't more than any foriegn Gov't
Kisinkona 4 years ago
"Here's the logic"
--Sorry, there is no logic you could ever present that can properly equate a WH Spokesman with genocide.
"but the logic for supporting him"
--Again, we didn't support him, we supported Afghans fighting the Soviet invasion.
"but not when the "friend" is just as bad as the enemy"
--You're wrong. Even Liberal writers agree with me, you'll find it in most TV shows/movies dealing with the subject.
NoGuff 4 years ago
Okay then Guff please explain to me why Musharraf is not as bad as our enemy.
I know he's not as bad as OBL but that's not much of a comfort for the lawyers and protesters he detained.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
Mashariff is our ally against terror? For a journalist you don't know much. Seems like you are one of these trained "debunkers" that float through the internet all day trying to put out fires.His country has the biggest Radical of islam in it ,REMEMBER? What's his name,that Osama guy?
blite13 4 years ago
"Seems like you are one of these trained "debunkers" that float through the internet all day trying to put out fires"
--I try to correct the lies, misinformation, & propaganda from various kooks, Leftists, & the ignorant.
"His country has the biggest Radical of islam in it ,REMEMBER?"
--Obviously you didn't even read my messages. He's been trying to keep those elements from TAKING OVER THE GOVERNMENT, you moron.
NoGuff 4 years ago
Oh really, then why have they been in safe haven in Pakistan since they were booted from Afghanistan? It's all a game and you trying to make out like you know the game better than others is a joke. Money linked to Atta,remember him, came from Pakistan, so no, you are wrong again and your "debunking " will never work on people who have a brain.Why don't you do something useful and use your energy to spread the truth instead of trying to supress it. That's what communists do, supress the truth.
blite13 4 years ago
"Oh really, then why have they been in safe haven in Pakistan since they were booted from Afghanistan?"
--You just don't know anything about anything, do you? There are vast areas of the Pak border with Afgh that are not controlled by the govt, but by local tribes. And besides that, again, I was referring to radical elements TAKING OVER THE GOVT.
"people who have a brain"
--HAA! Well, I hope you're not referring to yourself!
"That's what communists do"
--And you do it so well.
NoGuff 4 years ago
"Winning isn't everything, integrity is everything."
--So in a hypothetical sea battle, instead of doing something not so in line with your integrity to save your ship & crew, you'd rather all were lost so long as you kept your integrity? Quite valiant, & dead. And after you & your comrades were at the bottom of the sea, who would know about your valiant integrity? No one. All they'd know is that you lost the battle & didn't do everything you could to save your ship & crew, & that you're dead.
NoGuff 4 years ago
Well i suppose we're going to have to agree to disagree in matters of integrity.
BTW if your example is true then people would have remember Adm. Nelson as a loser instead of a hero.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"remember Adm. Nelson as a loser instead of a hero."
--Nelson won the battle, if I recall correctly.
NoGuff 4 years ago
"Nelson won the battle, if I recall correctly".
Did he cheat or compromise his integrity to achieve his victory?
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"Did he cheat or compromise his integrity to achieve his victory?"
--No, so then his example is not related to my analogy, which is why I didn't bring him up in the first place.
NoGuff 4 years ago
That's my point my Guff.
If Nelson can win without compromising his integrity then why can't we?
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"If Nelson can win without compromising his integrity then why can't we?"
--Like I said before, the example of Nelson doesn't factor into this hypothetical situation. Pray tell what he could have done that was entirely unethical in wartime that would have directly lead to his survival? It's a hypothetical, not an examination of a real incident, dim-wit.
NoGuff 4 years ago
"Like I said before, the example of Nelson doesn't factor into this hypothetical situation".
Why not? After all you're the one who bring up the sea battle hypothesis.
"It's a hypothetical, not an examination of a real incident, dim-wit".
If it's just hypothetical then how do you know it would hold in the real world?
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"If it's just hypothetical then how do you know it would hold in the real world?"
--Again...it's a hypothetical, used to illustrate a point. Please go look up "hypothetical."
NoGuff 4 years ago
Well in that case how do you know your point will hold up in the real world AT ALL?
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"Well in that case how do you know your point will hold up in the real world AT ALL?"
--That's the whole point of a hypothetical argument.
NoGuff 4 years ago
In that case your hypothesis is wrong because Nelson victory has proven you don't have to compromise integrity to win.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
lalee - The messages posted under the account name 'brianjcavanaugh' are from me. I promised I'd post some videos to YouTube for 2 friends of mine tonight because I have the software to convert them and while waiting I decided to check my email and I responded while signed on to my friend's account. So direct all anger toward me, of course.
NoGuff 4 years ago
the US supporterts on terrorism; Pakistan (dictatorship), S. Arabia (dictatorship), Egypt (Dictatorship), Kuwait (dictatorship). Are any of these countries moving towards freedom????
olejac 4 years ago
"the US supporterts on terrorism"
--Pakistan & Egypt are officially a Republics. Mubarak & Musharraf were elected. Kuwait is a Constitutional Monarchy just like Denmark & Norway, among others. S.A. is an absolute monarchy (difference from a dictatorship is that the dictators are members of a ruling family).
NoGuff 4 years ago
hey, give me a break! Even Saddam got elected (99% voted for him). You do not know much about Norway & Kuwait if you think they are in any way alike, and heck I am not saying Norway is great. In SA a women got sent to jail for being mass-raped. And in Pakistan general Musharraf has suspended the constitution.
olejac 4 years ago
"Even Saddam got elected (99% voted for him)"
--And as a big supporter of Hussein, you believe his election was legit? Fine.
"You do not know much about Norway & Kuwait if you think they are in any way alike"
--Officially they have the same system of govt, whether you like it or not, it's a fact.
"Musharraf has suspended the constitution"
--Yes, it's called 'martial law.' And it can be declared here as well to restore order if necessary. So what's your point? Get a clue, friend.
NoGuff 4 years ago
"In SA a women got sent to jail for being mass-raped."
--Actually she was sent to jail (and lashed) for being with a man in public who was not her husband, and without a family approved escort. So was that you not knowing what you're talking about, or were you intentionally trying to pass that off as the truth?
NoGuff 4 years ago
"Actually she was sent to jail (and lashed) for being with a man in public who was not her husband, and without a family approved escort".
Does this mean you support the sentence or are you just as appalled at what goes on with our "allies"?
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"Does this mean you support the sentence or are you just as appalled at what goes on with our "allies"?"
--Written with the hand of a skilled propagandist. May I ask, are you still beating your wife?
No, I'm merely trying to clarify the truth, which is abhorrent to you for some reason. Oh wait, I know why. Because you're a Liberal.
NoGuff 4 years ago
Noguff, please read a book. Even if some countries have kings it doesnt mean that those kings actually have any power.
And yes, I do know that the the girl in SA officially was sent to jail for being with a man, not for being raped. Your missing the point. The US is sending billions of dollars to these countries, just like they used billions on Sadam Hussain/Bin Laiden/Pakistan (who actually was behind the Taliban regime in
Afganistan). Please learn!
olejac 4 years ago
"And yes, I do know that the the girl in SA officially was sent to jail for being with a man, not for being raped. Your missing the point"
--That's proof you lied, knowingly. Please write "I lied about that." Thanks. And the point IS the truth, sir. You Liberals whine all day long about Conservatives lying, but you really feel it's totally okay for you to lie if its part of making a "point." You're so pathetic.
NoGuff 4 years ago
Guff you're avoiding answering his points which is why do we keep countries like SA as "allies" when they've done something like this?
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"Guff you're avoiding answering his points which is why do we keep countries like SA as "allies" when they've done something like this?"
--You're the last person on this board who should ignore the "lying" part. But I've always pegged you as a Liberal, I knew I was right all along. And regarding S.A., he should ask an adult about that, I've explained it to too many children already.
NoGuff 4 years ago
"You're the last person on this board who should ignore the "lying" part. But I've always pegged you as a Liberal, I knew I was right all along".
What? You think i'm a liberal because i'm appalled a rape victim is PUNISHED for being in a car with a male stranger?
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"You think i'm a liberal because i'm appalled a rape victim is PUNISHED for being in a car with a male stranger?"
--Again, you've distorted it all in exactly the same manner as most Liberals. No, you're a Liberal because you excused the use of a lie.
brianjcavanaugh 4 years ago
"No, you're a Liberal because you excused the use of a lie".
What lie? The rape victim IS sentenced right?
BTW you still haven't told me whether your appalled at what happened to her (in the case of the punishment i mean).
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"What lie? The rape victim IS sentenced right?"
--The reason she was sentenced, which was specified in the original message (but was a deliberate lie).
"you still haven't told me whether your appalled at what happened to her"
--I am, but how does that matter?
NoGuff 4 years ago
It matters because if you're appalled then how can you justify such a country to be our "ally"?
I know SA isn't suppose to be our enemy either but that doesn't mean they can do what they've done at least not without international furor.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"It matters because if you're appalled then how can you justify such a country to be our "ally"?"
--One has little to do with the other, especially in a time of war. Please tell me one occasion where the USA declared an ally an enemy (or broke off relations) because of an internal injustice committed in their country, yet which adhered to their laws (making it difficult to claim it an 'injustice'). Please give me just one, that's all I ask. Precedent speaks volumes, friend.
NoGuff 4 years ago
And please give us all a break about Liberals/Rep. This is about doing good and not doing bad, as your president Lincoln once said. You can actually be a Rep. and not support these countries.
olejac 4 years ago
"This is about doing good and not doing bad"
--You're right. When are you Liberals going to wake up and support your own nation in it's fight against terrorists?
NoGuff 4 years ago
Guff, in case you don't know dissent is patriotic.
And anyone who tell you otherwise whether he's a lib or conservative is the one who is unpatriotic.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"Guff, in case you don't know dissent is patriotic."
--No, it isn't. Dissent is your RIGHT as a citizen. How in the living fuck is dissent patriotic, please tell me. Do your parents appreciate your obedience & respect & family loyalty when you actively accuse them of lying to you and protest their every decision and question their motives for everything? NO THEY DON'T. But don't take my word, go ask them.
NoGuff 4 years ago
"How in the living fuck is dissent patriotic, please tell me".
Ahem.
Mark Twain:
"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it".
Dissent against government admnst isn't unpatriotic whether the gov is repub or dem.
AND my parents DO NOT think dissent means disloyalty to family, after all my father who is a muslim marries my mother WHO IS A CHRISTIAN!!!
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
lalee - You might mean dissent as in "You know, I've thought about this policy & given it all due consideration as part of the big picture, & I can't agree with it." I'm talking about "I hate this President, he's not my President bc he fixed the election, & I'm going to do everything I can, incl' undermining my own nation in order to shame & ridicule him to the rest of the world, & I'll dissent against everything he does because that's the patriotic thing to do because I read it somewhere."
NoGuff 4 years ago
So what makes you think the dissent from libs are motivated by "undermining my own nation in order to shame & ridicule him to the rest of the world, & I'll dissent against everything he does because that's the patriotic thing to do because I read it somewhere" hmm?
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"So what makes you think"
--From my analysis of people, organizations, messages, responses, explanations, lies, propaganda, etc., from thousands of Liberals, Leftists, Socialists, Communists, Anarchists, and enemies of America for the past 6 years.
brianjcavanaugh 4 years ago
Well from my analysis the libs dissent comes from the anger of what have been done to America by this repub admnst not hate of America.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"not hate of America."
--Well, that's your opinion. And one of the reasons I believe you're a Liberal.
NoGuff 4 years ago
It is my opinion and if you think that makes me a liberal then so be it.
By your standard Ron Paul is a liberal because he also dislikes at what the repub had done to America.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"By your standard Ron Paul is a liberal because he also dislikes at what the repub had done to America."
---That's just one of his views. You share many views with the Liberals. So many that you could call yourself a 'closet Liberal.'
NoGuff 4 years ago
"You share many views with the Liberals".
That's probably because we both like liberty and civil rights, even though the libs dislikes the rights to own guns and i dislike their right for abortion and gay marriage.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"we both like liberty and civil rights"
--I share those with you, but I'm against things Liberals want, such as the Fairness Doctrine, etc. And we need to not look at state IDs and drivers licenses for illegals as "civil rights" issues, because they aren't. Pretty soon we won't be able to deny illegal aliens the "right" to vote because it will be seen as a civil rights violation, thanks to Liberals.
NoGuff 4 years ago
I do not agree that the so called "fight against terrorism" can be won, and I do not think going to war "pre-emt" is in any way helping control terrorism. It was actually Stalin who started saying "either your with me our against me". In so much I guess your a Stalinist...
olejac 4 years ago
"I do not agree that the so called "fight against terrorism" can be won"
--So I guess we shouldn't fight terrorists, should we? We should just give in to their every demand because fighting them is so pointless. Right?
"In so much I guess your a Stalinist"
--So any words Stalin spoke in his life can't be uttered by any other person without being accused of being a genocidal sociopath?
NoGuff 4 years ago
You can fight terror with other means than war. If you sound like a Stalinist (like you, NoGff, actually do) you must be one, or maybe you are just a dumbass. Really not worth my time anymore...
olejac 4 years ago
This woman is a friggin' freak...and a liar!
TechnojunkFactory 4 years ago
Politicians and corporations have shit on the American citizens for to long! Its time to rub that same shit right back in their faces.
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xmm2006mm2006x 4 years ago
Complete racism as we support yet another dictator against it's people.
J1Goro 4 years ago 2
her jacket makes her look like a hunchback
bfayer 4 years ago
FRAUDS! THIS IS NOT AMERICA ANYMORE! Questionable elections, GAY SEX SCANDALS. CHILDREN MOLESTED BY REPUBLICANS! 9 BILLION of OUR tax dollars missing in Iraq. The FAILED rescue in the aftermath of KATRINA. A country divided. FOX NEWS PROPAGANDA..A media that is full of idiots. Corporations have more rights than citizens. AT&T, Verizon aiding Bush and co. to SPY ON US! Lies, scandals, depression. Hungry children, illegasl, no healthcare and DEAD SOLDERS FOR OIL.
UTBESUX 4 years ago 2
BDS. 1 parts paranoia. 2 parts conspiracy theories. 1 parts foaming at the mouth. Know the warning signs.
zzx2847 4 years ago
Sign of 24%ers:
Denial of Republican scandal.
Hipocrisy in matters of morality.
Still believing Iraq is connected with 9/11.
Oh have i mentioned hipocrisy?
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"Sign of 24%ers"
--So there's no such thing as scandals among Democrats? When Republicans are involved in a scandal they either resign or are kicked out by the party. Dems always deny everything, then claim they're the victims of a "vast right-wing conspiracy." And no one is saying Iraq is connected with 9/11. Iraq, though, is part of the war on terrorism. And you can't spell "Democrat" or "Liberal" without "hypocrisy."
NoGuff 4 years ago
"When Republicans are involved in a scandal they either resign or are kicked out by the party".
Really? So what's Larry Craig and Vitter still doing in congress?
"And you can't spell "Democrat" or "Liberal" without "hypocrisy".
I dislike Democrat immorality but at least they never pretend to stand for family values only to be caught in a scandal involving prostitutes or homosexuality.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago
"So what's Larry Craig and Vitter still doing in congress?"
--Craig was going to resign, remember? And his fellow Reps asked him to resign. Then he made a move out of the Democrat playbook. But they're still trying to get rid of him. I don't know anything about Vitter.
"only to be caught in a scandal involving prostitutes or homosexuality."
--And you attribute that rare exception to all Conservatives? Typical Liberal move.
NoGuff 4 years ago
"And you attribute that rare exception to all Conservatives?".
Rare exception?
Have you been reading the news?!
It seems like at least one republican scandal per month.
laleeloolelo 4 years ago