This is sad, and for those who hate "illegals" many people are detained when they have papers to. The usual reponse is well if they have papers what are they crying about. Answer: They went through a traumatizing ordeal, detained for HOURS, and were treated like dogs. I should let them take me in,and give them heck, for detaining yet another US Citizen! Drive the point home! God bless everyone! :)
Poor guys :(. We should welcome these immigrants into our country then we wouldn't have to waste money on the border patrol and these immigrants can have a chance here instead of rotting in Mexico!
Could be a tough sell. Boarder patrol agents often set up check points within US borders. If you've ever traveled in southern New Mexico or Arizona you may have run across checkpoints run by the Boarder Patrol - well within US boarders. The obvious question is: Why shouldn't the Boarder Patrol check the status of people in the US?
THERE ILLEGAL YOU STUPID FUCKERS. LOOK AT ALL THE MONEY WERE EXPORTING. LOOK AT ALL THESE ILLEGAL WETBACKS CHINKS AND FUCKS!!!!! THIS IS WHITE AMERICA. We dont go invading there countries we dont go taking there jobs in there countries. get over yourselves and look whats happening to this country!!!!
Some people miss the point completely. ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) has nationwide jurisdiction. And there has been like these for ages. If a legal immigrant needs to, say, update his visa status, there are dozens of ICE offices all over US.
Comparisons to "Nazi German" are also unfounded. All European countries have had, since the late 19th Century, legal requirements for everyone to carry some ID. No really big deal. Moreover, they are only taking out illegal immigrants...
@0626jay You perfer scumbags like cartels who bring violence, produce drugs and murder (even towards the innocent) over Patrol Officers asking for your passport? Your seriously a dumbass wetback.
@howardkevinm It would seem Border Patrol only has jurisdiction over the border and surrounding areas but the border patrol has nation wide jurisdiction including pulling cars over and detaining/ investigating illegals on local, state and federal highways. See them here in Florida all the time with vehicles pulled over.
I'm not sure when I stopped hearing the word racist? I just don't hear it anymore. When I hear or read someone calling another person a racist I just naturally assume the person making the accuzation of racism to have no credibility at all. I am the same way with people who call other people homophobes, islamaphobes, or any other kind of phobes.
This is disgusting. If they didn't allow the boarder to have more holes then Swiss cheese or leaks then a colander, there would be no excuse or reason for this going on. This, along with the state of the boarders is all done intentional. One reason is so they can have agents of the government stop citizens on the street or on a train and say show me your papers and have us get used to it. This country is becoming like Nazi Germany and these agents like the Gestapo. It is sad too.
I think America should grant a Green Card with a permanent immigration visa including if you are working permanently. Instead of 2 parts first the permanent immigration visa and then later the Green Card.
Actuallly i disagree with the description..... Border Patrol is a Goverment Agency.... Amtrak is a Goverment Company.... Border Patrol can get on the train. Along with Amtrak Police. And Buffalo is the last stop before going into Canada. Which gives they right to search the train
@trainmasta227 I disagree with your comment. There is no succession movement in Buffalo. The only time in history the US Border patrol searched within the USA was before the beginning of the Civil War and why because the south declared independence and the Border patrol was deployed close to the CSA. I do happen to believe the Feds should introduce legislation that would make it recognised to ask for immigration status on all levels. Especially the border states with Mexico.
As a former Border Patrol agent, I find the ignorance of not only the original poster, but of those responding to this video as amusing, yet an appalling display of lack of knowledge about what my former agency does. Profiling? You admit in your description that the agent asked everyone, so profiling it cannot be. Your train may not have crossed a border, but was an avenue of travel away from a nearby border, which is why it was checked.
but, of course, bush the nazi gave his good buddy down in texas a seven million dollar a year tax break on seven million acres of land, why do americans love nazis who steal trillions of dollars to destroy our lives?
A United States citizen does not have to answer questions but an Immigrant is required to and if they dont, that may be grounds for withdrawing their immigrant status.
your nuts lady.the are federal agents doing their jobs.thats why this country is the way it is people like you.this officer appartently did his job well,thats his job. he didn't sound abusive and looked and acted very professional
Whether Whitman knew about the letter or not, it's clear that the housekeeper showed up with at the onset with the required credentials to apply for the job.
Fake Id's to collect welfare and housing? Really? You do know that not only are they suppose to match the person in the ID, they also have to provide a SSN, a valid BC and an established residence. The SSN is sent to SSA for verification. Very, very few have been able to cheat the welfare system. As to who pays the unpaid ER bills by Americans and illegals alike, well, that's anyone who pays taxes, including illegals. Name the states that allow illegals to apply for such programs.
@iammetx The recent incident with a Meg Whitman and her housekeeper clearly shows how advanced the fake ID business has become. She passed all the tests you listed and more, $150 buys you everything you need to get into the system. You have no idea of my education, occupation, or background.........you have begun to show your true identity, you mental midget.
@maxzig71 Sorry I took a while to answr, but my comp was acting up. I see you have resorted to name calling, even though I've never questioned your ed, occ, or background, nor do I care about them. I specifically asked if you had not read the link. It does say PUBLIC schools, but I agree that the majority of them are specialty schools. It still does not rule out that they have a high minority population with a high economically disadvantage enrollment, many student's possibly undocumented.
@maxzig71 As to Meg Whitman, not sure why that's important to point out. Meg Whitman continued to employ her even after she received a letter from the Social Security Administration that the social security number did not match. She wasn't deceived. It just wasn't to Meg Whitmans benefit to run an anti immigrant campaign if she was guilty of hiring an undocumented immigrant.
@iammetx Neither you or I know if Whitman was actually aware of the situation with regards to the SS Admin letter. She never even showed a wisp of anti immigration in her campaign even before the revelation.
Yes, they are specialty schools...NOW lets talk about a skewed link! If you live so close to the border I would recommend you do 1 of several things: MOVE there and be 'amongst' the ones you love...maybe you could be come their president, become a stop on their underground railroad system so the rest of us can hope you get caught, OR start a farm and hire them since they APPARENTLY do our economy here in the US a lot of good.
@charmedvip Do yourself a favor and keep your thoughts to yourself because you are embarrassing yourself. The link clearly states these are public high schools not specialty schools. I'm starting to believe your claim that you've never been in a high minority high school, or to ANY school for that matter. More than likely it's uneducated people like you that cause our economy more harm than good.
and I have never EVER been in a high minority school that has high achievement, student success, and a low ratio of special education students. All of these things compiled into one = HIGH TAXES for the REST OF US! I just can't say it enough....you are a moron.
I find it entertaining that YOU are trying to tell ME that urban, high minority schools are among the best and I would give you some statistics on how they are not but you would probably just tell me that my statistics are scued and biased as you did maxzig when he provided you NOT ONLY statistics but also the sources of them. So how about this- I went to college for 6 years, received both a masters and bachelors degree in education and have worked in both urban, rural, and suburban schools.
@charmedvip No, I am not trying to tell YOU that schools populated with a majority population are among the nations best. That's a fact that's up to you to soak up. Here's a link since you're too lazy to look it up yourself:
Link: education.usnews.rankingsandreviews (dot) com/articles/education/high-schools/2010/06/08/schools-populated-with-minorities-are-among-nations-best-high-schools.h t m l
@iammetx Well, of course, now you're talking specialty schools where the students generally know how to apply themselves. Lets go for the run of the mill ordinary high school. Try Again!
@iammetx School of Science and Engineering Magnet, Hidalgo Early College High School, Animo Leadership Charter High School, Lennox Mathematics, Science & Technology Academy, IDEA Quest Academy & College Prepatory, and California Academy of Math & Science. Just to name a few.....not specialty, prep, magnet or charter schools? You smokin loco weed?
Iammetx obviously thinks that all people that move here from Latin America are decent, forthcoming people that deserve a chance and would NEVER try to cheat the system. This is absolutely untrue! Iammetx- Once you have experienced the devistation that these people are causing our country and communities you can make these ridiculously false statements but until then you are just making yourself look like a moron.
@charmedvip Sorry, but all my statements are supported by facts. I live 3 miles away from the border in a high immigrant population, a large number of them, no doubt, undocumented. I've lived here for over 30 years and I've NEVER once experienced this so called devastation you mention. I have no idea why you bring up Latin America if I haven't mentioned them in any of my posts, although I do believe the MAJORITY of them are decent and a very minute portion cheat the system.
Among the largest costs include Medicaid use, treatment for the uninsured, and participation in food assistance programs. ........... That is the whole picture from the 'Center for Immigration Studies', a 100% unbiased government source........thank you
@maxzig71 Center for Immigration Studies unbiased? Aren't they for less immigration? Hmm, it would seem to benefit their agenda to twist their facts, like say, not separating legal from undocumented. You do know their report statistics include LEGAL immigrants as well, don't you, because they are for LESS immigration, not more, be it legal or otherwise. Unbiased indeed.
@specopspr Well, naturally you can be 100% sure of what you believe but the facts state otherwise. If you don't qualify for government assistance, then how can you live off it? What part of illegals don't qualify for government assistance don't you get? Their American born children qualify for government assistance, but as stated before, these families pay more into the system than they use. Even Fox news admits it. Look it up.
@iammetx Because they use fake ID's!!, they collect welfare and housing assistance. You do realize there are states that allow illegals to apply for such assistance programs. They walk into a hospital and demand to be treated and the hospital can't refuse at the ER. And who pays the bill???
"The High Cost of Cheap Labor: Illegal Immigration and the Federal Budget." Camarota finds that while over half of undocumented immigrants contribute to the federal budget in the form of payroll taxes (creating a benefit for Social Security and Medicare programs of $7 billion annually), the costs of undocumented immigrants to the federal government exceeded their contributions by approximately $10.4 billion.
Hmmm specopspr..... I have REASONABLE SUSPICION and PROBABLE CAUSE to assume you just might wear a green uniform to work each day decked out with a sew on yellow patch and a gun belt. JUST STATING THE OBVIOUS :)
@charmedvip I wish, I did the national guard tour last time we were deployed to the southwest border. Ask those guys a lot of questions of why they do why they do. We were in a remote area where illegals crossing where from Islamic countries. That was an eye opener.
In addition, my fiance used to work on a dairy farm which trucked illegal aliens in to milk their cows. These people ADMITTED they were illegal, given fake names like George and Robert ( I mean come on really?!). They were PAID UNDER the table and ALL had New York State medicaid cards....I have SEEN THEM! My fiance would always mess with them and tell them the Border Patrol was coming and they would run and hide. They are guilty and know it .
@charmedvip Sorry, I just can't believe what you say. For one, undoc immigrants don't qualify for medicaid, so how could they have them? & even if they were paid under the table, it still doesn't mean they weren't paying taxes. I mean, why would they need fake names if they were paid under the table? But still, they must have paid rent, sales taxes, property taxes, etc. Your fiance is just as guilty of committing a wrong by not calling the BP and reporting them.
@iammetx "The user has already said they provided their visas. The lady clearly states she had already told the officer the night before, to which the officer states it doesn't matter".......again totally unbiased information not in fact. The user is just trying to justify her opposition to the removal of the two persons from the train. How can you possibly refute this logically?
@maxzig71 Right!, I went through a DUI checkpoint and told them that I got drunk the night before, not that night, but they still arrested me....come on. LOL
@iammetx In my area, the illegals live in housing provided for them by the farm, therefore, no rent or property tax. They are paid in cash......no income tax. Their purchases are minimal......... not much sales tax. Much of their money is sent south. As a group they operate a vehicle, generally with no reg or ins. As for the fiance informing BP, I'm sure he had an interest in protecting his job, and by your standards, since this was not a checkpoint, BP shouldn't have any jurisdiction.
@iammetx you do realize they can use a fake name, SS number, and pay taxes at the end of the year.....oh yeah which they don't. I'm sure there are some people here that recieved that nice letter from the IRS stating that they reported less income and own the IRS.
@specopspr How can they pay taxes at the end of the year if most don't make that much. Normally, a low income family will receive an income tax reimbursement, but since undocumented immigrants can't claim their reimbursement it goes back into the coffers.
@iammetx Not all illegals get paid low wages. That's a misconception. I seen situations were they use a SS# for one job and another SS# for the other job to split the income to make it seem low. I know the tricks so don't come to me with that.
@specopspr I didn't say all illegals get paid low wages. I said most. However they do it, if they are using a SS# then they are still paying payroll taxes.
consider THESE numbers: It costs my district $36,000 to hire a NEW teacher...that is assuming that these specialty teachers are first year hires which most are not. These illegal aliens are ABSOLUTELY not paying that much in state and federal aid picking cabbage on the roadside for $8.00/hour thus, they are SUCKING MORE THAN GIVING (crude way to put it maxzig but the figures DONT lie).
I absolutely agree that illegal aliens are "sucking more than giving" as well. I am a teacher and work in a school district with very few minorities. Everytime another illegal moves into the area--and we know they're illegal because they refuse to disclose their citizenship--their children come to my school and are able to speak only Spanish in which we are LEGALLY bound to hire interpreters, English as a Second Language (ESL) teachers to SPECIALLY service these children.
@iammetx WOW....Schools with high minority populations are traditionally in low income, high crime areas crying for more public money to improve test scores and retention. I am very familiar with urban schools in my area and you're statement just falls flat on it's face.
@iammetx I'kl repply to your visa nonsense when I get to my comp. For now, get something stright. If you are illegally in this country you are in violation of immigration laws and thats that
@specopspr Who was ever disagreeing with that? The question isn't about if a person is illegally in the country, but whether the people in this video were. You don't know if they were illegally in the country and from the video and the descriptions and the user's admittance that the people provided documentation, it is clear they were adjusting status, and the officer was wrong about them not having equal rights.
@iammetx I have to agree with charmedvip and pokerm7, you have no idea what you are talking about iammetx. You might think you do, but believe me you don't. You just contradicted yourself. You are right a least on one thing; I don't know if these people were illegally in the country. Neither the BP agent prior to talking to them. That is why he is conducting a immigration inspection. Now was it legal, YES! it was. Until the law changes it is legal.
@iammetx It is legal for BP agents to conduct immigration inspections base on reasonable suspicion or probable cause depending on the situation. Now, how do they get to develop that RS or PC is how the game is played. They are numerous things they can do for that. I could explain them but I'm not going to talk about applied authorities. You mention equal right, what equal rights?? Equal rights compare to US citizens in immigration? They DON'T.
@iammetx We go back to the illegal question. Are they illegally in the country YES, are they adjusting their status?, who knows. Until it is confirmed. But since their visa, assuming they have one, is not readily available, which every immigrant has to carry on them at all times by law; then they are illegally in the country and they are detain and transport to a processing facility.
@specopspr The user has already said they provided their visas. The lady clearly states she had already told the officer the night before, to which the officer states it doesn't matter. If she had already gone through this the night before, then she wouldn't have been on that train if she were in the country illegally.
@iammetx I'll tell you what. Tell all your illegal immigrant friends, assuming you have them, to file a I-485, and then go through a POE or a BP checkpoint ;). Because according to you they are parole and they are not deportable. And then we'll see who's right ;)
@specopspr Wow, and you say I don't know what I'm talking about. Not everyone can file for an I-485. In order to file for I-485 a person MUST BE IN STATUS all the time (i.e. not in the country illegally), OR, has stayed illegally for less then 180 days (i.e. overstayed their visa), OR qualifies for the LIFE act. It's not as easy as just telling my undoc friends to do that. If they qualified, they would just to prove you wrong, but only a BP checkpoint. For a POE, they'd need adv parole. ;)
@iammetx I know, but according to what you said before they get parole because they are illegal so they can finish their residency requirement. Also, not all non-immigrants can adjust status. You talk with the "I wish this and that" idea. And most people here are talking to you with the way things are.
@antiprocon They knew the rules when they came into this country, so let the chips fall where they may. How many lives and families were destroyed on 911.
@maxzig71 And for all the check points around country, not one of those terrorists were caught and the majority of them were legal immigrants who came in following the rules.
I'm glad to see that there are still folks out there who agree with the simple principle that the law is the law. Yes, the concept of "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses...." is still alive. Unfortunately, too many people take advantage of the generosity of this country and its tax payers by entering and/or staying illegally making checkpoints like this necessary. Frankly, I'm happy to know that this guy is looking out for my country, my safety...and my wallet.
@dtpvegas Yes, the bp agnt was only doing his job but these checkpoints cost tax payer money & so far, they've done nothing 2 capture terrorists. The only good thing they do is catch drugs & undoc immigrants. Undoc immig who pay taxes, & ironically, some money going to fund these bp checkpoints. When an undoc. immig. is captured @ these checkpoints, they are usually placed in immig. det cntrs that you pay for w/ your tax money going into CCA pockets all b/c a person didn't have their docs?
@iammetx Ignorance truly is bliss... As much fun as it would be to embarrass you by posting a response calling out all of the ways in which your arguments contradict themselves, I think you've done a good enough job of that yourself. The one fact we agree on is that this agent was doing his job. Few of us are happy with the overall inefficiency of the government, but your suggestion that we stop enforcing immigration law just because it is difficult to do so is ludicrous...and dangerous.
@dtpvegas No one is suggesting we stop enforcing immig laws. The suggestion is that there is a time & a place for it, AND the right way to do it w/out infringing on the rights of those who are in this country legally or are Am citizens. Your ignorance must be the 1 truly at bliss if you do not see how these sort of checkpoints are diminishing our rights as citizens & all for the sake of "homeland security". I'm sure you feel safer now that 2 pple who were adj status were removed from a train.
@iammetx " I'm sure you feel safer now that 2 pple who were adj status were removed from a train" Not neccesarily safer, but I know that true American citizens are not going to have to pay for social service benefits or health care benefits for their anchor baby.
@maxzig71 They would be misinformed if they believe they have to pay for those services. For the most part, if they are living here undocumented, they would be working AND paying taxes, thus, whatever social service benefits they get, if any, their American born child is entitled to it. As an American, I don't care about my tax dollars going to assist those in need. It's not weighing on my pockets. What's weighing on my pocket are high gas prices, high food costs, and high utility prices.
@iammetx Then YOU send a few bucks extra in with your tax return next year stipulating what it is to be used for. Taxes very much contribute to the high prices of all the items you mentioned, and so much more. This country simply cannot afford the burden. Check the financial status of the hospitals along the southern border, and the social service costs of the south western states. If what you say is true then none of these problems would exist.
@maxzig71 Why should I send a few extra bucks if I'm already paying my fair share like anyone who works, including undoc immigrants? Undoc immigrants pay more in taxes than what they use. The financial status of the hospitals here on the border are due to lawsuits for malpractice & medicaid/medicare fraud, high tech equip maint, doctor/patient ratio, etc. Over 80% of social service users in the south are Am citizens or legal residents. Our problem here is jobs being shipped out of country.
@iammetx That is so much BULL Go any of the Gov't websites and check the stats, so hospitals on the southern border experience more lawsuits and fraud than do other across the country? Go ahead and check the stats on public assistance and crime before you come up with your own dreamworld figures.
@maxzig71 As for taxes contributing to the high prices, then thank goodness we have the undocumented immigrant population putting in their fair share or I can imagine what prices would look like if they hadn't. As it is, they've helped the tax payers in Texas alone with over $424.7 million in profit from the $1.58 billion in tax revenues they pay into the system through sales, property, and payroll taxes to name a few. Over all, it is estimated they pay over 9 BILLION in SS taxes alone in 1 yr
If the purpose of this video is to show the "horror" of the Border Patrol checking the citizenship status of people on a train at the border...it backfired.
@TheRafaShow96 What is a joke? Is it a joke that people get arrested for breaking the law? If you don't like the law then run for congress and introduce a bill to change it. Until then, people who break the laws of this country will continue to be arrested, charged, and sent before a court of law.
Some people don't understand illegal is illegal whether its 1 or 50 miles inside the border, in this case it happened to be less than 5. If your not a U.S. citizen you have to carry your paperwork with you, are we asking to much? And there is that nasty word the libs love again, "profiling". Any kind of police work requires a certain degree of profiling, You don't question pink flamingos when green elephants are commiting the crimes.
@maxzig71 Neither. We were talking about this supposed need to profile. You said: "Any kind of police work requires a certain degree of profiling, You don't question pink flamingos when green elephants are commiting the crimes. "
So why aren't they profiling white's if they commit 70 percent of violent crimes? What's worse? Violent crimes across America or illegal border incursions? I rest my case.
@iammetx We are talking about one specific crime of illegal entry into the U.S. Perhaps we should ask what is the ratio of white anglo-saxons to latinos or asians caught crossing the border illegally. I've got a feeling it is extremely low. So shouldn't we be checking documentation comensurate with that ratio. Local police profile constantly, if a tall thin blond white guy comitted the crime, they don't question the short bald man.
@maxzig71 Naturally, if they know who committed the crime, then they know what to look for. Not only that, but they also get clues from witnesses. They don't go around stopping every single white guy they see unless they fit the description and are roaming around the area where the criminal was last seen. So technically, it's not profiling, but filtering. What you are requesting and supporting is what you would call racial profiling and that is unconstitutional.
@iammetx wao! not too bright. I could explain this over and over but I bet you are one of those people that I could put the spotlight right in your face and you wont see the light...
@specopspr & judging by your insistence on something in which you are obviously incorrect about, you are not so bright yourself. Look up the right to travel while in the process of adjusting status. It clearly states you cannot leave the country w/o advanced parole, but you CAN travel freely within the states. The spotlight is right in YOUR face, but I bet YOU won't see the light. Go get more experience on a subject before you try talking about it like you know what you are talking about, lol.
@iammetx you really believe I am incorrect, LOL. Once again, not too bright. You do realize when you adjust your status you still have to carry the paper work and your visa with you. You can also be issue a fine for not having your documents on you at all times. This is explain to immigrants when they receive their visas. I do have a lot of experience. I'm sure you are a good source of reliable information, LOL
@specopspr Not only can you be issued a fine, you could be arrested, charged, and sentenced up to 30 days in jail! It is a criminal offense for non-immigrants and immigrants to not have their immigration documents on their person at all times. Title 8 United States Code Section 1304(e)
@porkerm7 No one is arguing that. Where in the video do you see the officer requesting to see any documentation? True, applying for a green card does not mean they have equal rights to stay in the country, but if they filed to adjust status, then they more than likely have another type of visa that affords them those rights. Like I said, no where in the video did I see the officer request to another form of proof for legal status.
@iammetx Have you even considered the possibility that the requesting of documentation occurred BEFORE the camera started filming and that was probably what prompted the interest in the situation by other passengers in the first place? I know I've gone out on a limb and used logic here, which doesn't seem to be the norm in your comments, but seeing as how the first line in the video is "Just because...", one could assume a decent portion of the conversation had already taken place.
@dtpvegas And I'll be going out on a limb here, considering reading doesn't seem to be the norm in your comments, but if you actually click on the little arrow up there ^^^ and read the description, it states the officer ASKED everyone what their immigration status was and then chatted with the couple for a while before escorting them off. It does not state that ID's or Visa's were requested. Obviously, your logic fails you.
@iammetx Yes - I'm the moron. It's obvious that the depiction of the chain of events provided by the completely unbiased poster that you accept as Gospel is 100% accurate. I'm sure that absolutely no additional conversation took place in between the agent asking for immigration status and the start of the video. Sometimes I forget that the use of common sense and reason has no place in our society. I should probably adopt your philosophy of not using either and get my news from You Tube...
@iammetx I'm interested to know what you would like to see the Gov't do in relation to border security. Would you like totally open borders with no restrictions. Maybe we should further hobble our agents and limit their powers to within a100 yds of the border. The U.S. has one of the most relaxed border system in the world now, just exactly what do you want?
@iammetx Stop talking about advance parole. That only allows someone to re-enter the country after they have left. But, if they're stopped in the country and they're not in status....guess what? You got it, they can be arrested and sent before a judge.
@porkerm7 It still applies to those who are here. Certain immigration benefits and time spent in the U.S. while certain applications are still pending may place you in a period of authorized stay, e.g., a properly filed application for adjustment of status, etc.
@iammetx This video is less than one minute long. Trust me, it takes a lot longer than that to determine a person's status in the country. Maybe the person didn't have any documentation or maybe he'd already given it to the officer and the video didn't catch that part of it. There's also this little thing called performing records checks. When you apply for and receive visas, green cards, etc., that all goes into computerized databases. Border Patrol just doesn't arrest people on a whim!
@porkerm7 These people were not being arrested. They were being detained. @ any internal checkpoint, the officer usually only asks 4 immig status & not verification of it. It's not to say they don't request it, but when they do, they need to have a valid reasonable suspicion, i.e. they refused to show legal docs. Assuming he asked for doc, if they didn't provide it then he'd be within his right, but the descriptions state otherwise. Many pple don't fight this b/c they don't know their rights.
@specopspr What visa? When you are in the adjustment of status, you do not have a visa. Just a receipt from INS that looks like a cashiers receipt, and if you have a lawyer, it is advised you have the letter from your lawyer explaining your situation. Like I said before, each BP agent is allowed to exercise their decision at their discretion, and you can still be deported, but it does not mean you are illegally in the country when you are adjusting status and you still have rights.
@iammetx I'm glad everything worked out for your husband. You are correct that every BP agent has discretion...within the law. Rest assured that during any adjustment of status you must maintain the status of the visa on which you entered this country. If not, you can be arrested and sent before an immigration judge. That is the law and that is why the person in this video was taken off of the train.
@iammetx Really? You STILL have a visa when you are adjusting your status. How the hell you think they get in the country to start with??!! Unless they have a visa waiver. Now you are talking out of the blue. I'm done trying to teach you a thing or two. I'm not even going to go into the deportation process. Of course they still have rights; they have the right to an immigration hearing!!! And it all depends what type of visa they have to adjust their status. Good luck to you!!
@specopspr LOL, no you don't nec STILL have a visa when adj your status. If the visa was lost or stolen b4 adj. status, or if you entered the country illglly & then applied 4 adjustment of status, then u DON'T have a visa. Seriously, YOU are talking out of the blue. Advance parole is most commonly used when someone has Form I-485, App to Reg Perm Res or to Adj Status, pending. Note, this couple is applying 4 a green card, but they were not asked 4 proof of any other doc 2 prove legal status.
@iammetx Listen....any alien can apply to adjust status at anytime regardless of status. Just because you fill out an I-485 it doesn't give you the right to remain in the country illegally. If your visa is up, then you must return to your country and wait for the application to be approved. ICE and CBP arrest thousands of aliens for this and I don't see any lawsuits to get them to stop. Why?....because they can. Maybe you just happened to get a lazy BP agent who didn't want to do paperwork
@porkerm7 It does if you've already been assigned an alien #. Being assigned an alien # doesn't mean your application is approved, but usually you are given an A # when you pay your fine & submit your application at an INS office. You can still be deported @ the discretion of any BP agent, which is why it is advised you do not travel past these checkpoints during the application process. Many ppl who get deported during these times are then barred for a # of yrs b/c they don't know their rights.
@iammetx this has been debated in the courts over and over yet you still believe you are right. Keep listening to the ACLU and those groups, that should get you far LOL.
I live in this area, take this train to Albany and NYC on a regular basis.
Perhaps this is detroitjones' first time on the train, it stops at an international border crossing in Buffalo. And when the officers board at stations they always ask each person the same few questions. There is no "profiling". Indeed, we can see these people admit they are here ilegally.
The main point this video makes is how professionally the officer handled these two illegal aliens.
Wow, you people may actually change your mind about the Border Patrol after some terrorist blows up the airplane or train one of your family member is on.
@charmedvip Which terrorists? The legal ones, the American ones, or the undocumented ones, because none have been caught at these checkpoints that I am aware of.
@iammetx It is not the BP's job to determine a good illegal from a bad illegal, just the fact that they are illegal. You are not privy to the information and inner workings of INS, I don't doubt that you were not informed of the thwarting of a potentially violent incursion. You're probably not at the top of their list.
@maxzig71 Of course it is not their job, but there are ways to go about instead of trampling on people's rights. Don't get me wrong, I admire the BP for their service & I do not blame them for the work they have to do. Living on the border, I've seen them do many great deeds, from buying food w/ their own money to feed the people they've caught, but I think they are focusing too much on minor stuff like illegal immig & it is why we need immig reform to reduce the need for these check points
@iammetx I'm done talking to you. The law is the law and people who can be arrested and set up for removal proceedings will continue to be whether you think they have legal status or not. If you would like I can give you the number to some head ICE and CBP attorneys who will attempt to explain it to you just as I have done. Ignorance of the law is no excuse....which is the case with the person in the video. You can continue living in your fairytale world and I will keep doing my job.
@porkerm7 You cannot tell if the people in the video were ignorant about the law. The user has already stated they provided documentation and they explained to the officer that they were adjusting status.. The officer's issue was not with their documentation but with their adjusting status in which he wrongfully tells them they do not have equal rights BECAUSE of the adjustment of status, not because of the docs they produced.
This is sad, and for those who hate "illegals" many people are detained when they have papers to. The usual reponse is well if they have papers what are they crying about. Answer: They went through a traumatizing ordeal, detained for HOURS, and were treated like dogs. I should let them take me in,and give them heck, for detaining yet another US Citizen! Drive the point home! God bless everyone! :)
MindiPreciosa 1 day ago
Poor guys :(. We should welcome these immigrants into our country then we wouldn't have to waste money on the border patrol and these immigrants can have a chance here instead of rotting in Mexico!
salag13 2 weeks ago
Could be a tough sell. Boarder patrol agents often set up check points within US borders. If you've ever traveled in southern New Mexico or Arizona you may have run across checkpoints run by the Boarder Patrol - well within US boarders. The obvious question is: Why shouldn't the Boarder Patrol check the status of people in the US?
calefjo 2 months ago
THERE ILLEGAL YOU STUPID FUCKERS. LOOK AT ALL THE MONEY WERE EXPORTING. LOOK AT ALL THESE ILLEGAL WETBACKS CHINKS AND FUCKS!!!!! THIS IS WHITE AMERICA. We dont go invading there countries we dont go taking there jobs in there countries. get over yourselves and look whats happening to this country!!!!
Ellisonm99 3 months ago
@Ellisonm99 No need for racism sir.
SouthCalifas619 2 months ago
Clearly you are highly uneducated. Unable to spell, and out of touch with reality.
edcard29 1 month ago
@Ellisonm99 People would listen to you more if you were not so racist
salag13 2 weeks ago
Why dont they protect the borders?? Fuck these Nazis Papers Please...
themonger1 3 months ago
Some people miss the point completely. ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) has nationwide jurisdiction. And there has been like these for ages. If a legal immigrant needs to, say, update his visa status, there are dozens of ICE offices all over US.
Comparisons to "Nazi German" are also unfounded. All European countries have had, since the late 19th Century, legal requirements for everyone to carry some ID. No really big deal. Moreover, they are only taking out illegal immigrants...
lotwyo 4 months ago
Whoa police raid trains, buses, subways in america all the time and that's normal?
1988scottcarey 4 months ago
"Okay, I'll 'tell ya sumthin': Go fuck yer mother." Joe Pesci, Goodfellas
BenAliGtor 4 months ago
that why im happy!!! mexican cartels are killing cbp fuck them putos crakers..;)
0626jay 4 months ago
@0626jay You perfer scumbags like cartels who bring violence, produce drugs and murder (even towards the innocent) over Patrol Officers asking for your passport? Your seriously a dumbass wetback.
Pebric 1 month ago
They are Fckin NAZIS....
Highwireformoney 4 months ago
ADIOS ILLEGALS!!
WatchLiveForexTrades 4 months ago
Border patrol has no jurisdiction inside the country, Immigration Services Maybe but not border patrol.
howardkevinm 5 months ago
@howardkevinm The Border Patrol has jurisdiction throughout the United States.
myoun26 5 months ago
@myoun26 i didnt know tha the middle of the US was now the border. they have no right except on the border. they arent the FBI.
howardkevinm 5 months ago
@howardkevinm actually they are federal agents and have nationwide jurisdiction to enforce all immigration laws.
Just becuase their patch says "border" doesnt mean they must only stand on the border.
Sounds like you are just in favor of ILLEGALS breaking the law.
2204Alpha 4 months ago
@howardkevinm It would seem Border Patrol only has jurisdiction over the border and surrounding areas but the border patrol has nation wide jurisdiction including pulling cars over and detaining/ investigating illegals on local, state and federal highways. See them here in Florida all the time with vehicles pulled over.
newcadet 4 months ago
I'm not sure when I stopped hearing the word racist? I just don't hear it anymore. When I hear or read someone calling another person a racist I just naturally assume the person making the accuzation of racism to have no credibility at all. I am the same way with people who call other people homophobes, islamaphobes, or any other kind of phobes.
wsu911 6 months ago
This is disgusting. If they didn't allow the boarder to have more holes then Swiss cheese or leaks then a colander, there would be no excuse or reason for this going on. This, along with the state of the boarders is all done intentional. One reason is so they can have agents of the government stop citizens on the street or on a train and say show me your papers and have us get used to it. This country is becoming like Nazi Germany and these agents like the Gestapo. It is sad too.
TheSportCompact 6 months ago
I think the problem could of been solved at the Border in the first place.
v19d 6 months ago
I think America should grant a Green Card with a permanent immigration visa including if you are working permanently. Instead of 2 parts first the permanent immigration visa and then later the Green Card.
v19d 6 months ago
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Immigration by the Numbers -- Off the Charts
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vechorik 6 months ago
Actuallly i disagree with the description..... Border Patrol is a Goverment Agency.... Amtrak is a Goverment Company.... Border Patrol can get on the train. Along with Amtrak Police. And Buffalo is the last stop before going into Canada. Which gives they right to search the train
trainmasta227 7 months ago
@trainmasta227 I disagree with your comment. There is no succession movement in Buffalo. The only time in history the US Border patrol searched within the USA was before the beginning of the Civil War and why because the south declared independence and the Border patrol was deployed close to the CSA. I do happen to believe the Feds should introduce legislation that would make it recognised to ask for immigration status on all levels. Especially the border states with Mexico.
v19d 6 months ago
all the people that didnt expect em to be asian are fucking racist bastards
bigboydubstep 7 months ago
I feel offended because there asian! After seeing this, I will listen to some N.W.A.
MachintoshCJ 7 months ago
I wasnt expecting em to be asians.
Js00312 8 months ago
where was this happen, near Canada border is it. I was coming back home from new York and same happened with me in Rochester
pakirock 8 months ago
As a former Border Patrol agent, I find the ignorance of not only the original poster, but of those responding to this video as amusing, yet an appalling display of lack of knowledge about what my former agency does. Profiling? You admit in your description that the agent asked everyone, so profiling it cannot be. Your train may not have crossed a border, but was an avenue of travel away from a nearby border, which is why it was checked.
TheMadNorsky 9 months ago
@TheMadNorsky No FUCK you faggot!! I was racially profiled at both the U.S. and Candian customs..So dont even say yall dont profile!!
OfficialDmack716 4 months ago
@OfficialDmack716 only idiots like you
TheMadNorsky 4 months ago
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@TheMadNorsky I hate racist like you. Go suck a dick.
OfficialDmack716 4 months ago
you libertarian types are frikin hilarious. If you don't like the border patrol coming on to "YOUR" train then STAY HOME
ercjncpr 9 months ago
but, of course, bush the nazi gave his good buddy down in texas a seven million dollar a year tax break on seven million acres of land, why do americans love nazis who steal trillions of dollars to destroy our lives?
badattitude77769 9 months ago
this is fucking hilarious, they do this to good people yet they allow scums to cross the border from mexico
elphaphoenix 9 months ago
Why Canadians? They need to move the agents to all of the states that border Mexico.
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brushout 1 year ago
A United States citizen does not have to answer questions but an Immigrant is required to and if they dont, that may be grounds for withdrawing their immigrant status.
baker298 1 year ago
Ohhh you crazy Arizona law.
vaportrail90 1 year ago
this is bullcrap, i mean, i bet they CAN check randomly, but really!?!?
jfsa380 1 year ago
your nuts lady.the are federal agents doing their jobs.thats why this country is the way it is people like you.this officer appartently did his job well,thats his job. he didn't sound abusive and looked and acted very professional
bigbootychick9 1 year ago
Whether Whitman knew about the letter or not, it's clear that the housekeeper showed up with at the onset with the required credentials to apply for the job.
maxzig71 1 year ago
Is there any immigration on the south west Chiff
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charmedvip 1 year ago
Fake Id's to collect welfare and housing? Really? You do know that not only are they suppose to match the person in the ID, they also have to provide a SSN, a valid BC and an established residence. The SSN is sent to SSA for verification. Very, very few have been able to cheat the welfare system. As to who pays the unpaid ER bills by Americans and illegals alike, well, that's anyone who pays taxes, including illegals. Name the states that allow illegals to apply for such programs.
iammetx 1 year ago
@iammetx The recent incident with a Meg Whitman and her housekeeper clearly shows how advanced the fake ID business has become. She passed all the tests you listed and more, $150 buys you everything you need to get into the system. You have no idea of my education, occupation, or background.........you have begun to show your true identity, you mental midget.
maxzig71 1 year ago
@maxzig71 Sorry I took a while to answr, but my comp was acting up. I see you have resorted to name calling, even though I've never questioned your ed, occ, or background, nor do I care about them. I specifically asked if you had not read the link. It does say PUBLIC schools, but I agree that the majority of them are specialty schools. It still does not rule out that they have a high minority population with a high economically disadvantage enrollment, many student's possibly undocumented.
iammetx 1 year ago
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@maxzig71 As to Meg Whitman, not sure why that's important to point out. Meg Whitman continued to employ her even after she received a letter from the Social Security Administration that the social security number did not match. She wasn't deceived. It just wasn't to Meg Whitmans benefit to run an anti immigrant campaign if she was guilty of hiring an undocumented immigrant.
iammetx 1 year ago
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@iammetx Neither you or I know if Whitman was actually aware of the situation with regards to the SS Admin letter. She never even showed a wisp of anti immigration in her campaign even before the revelation.
maxzig71 1 year ago
Yes, they are specialty schools...NOW lets talk about a skewed link! If you live so close to the border I would recommend you do 1 of several things: MOVE there and be 'amongst' the ones you love...maybe you could be come their president, become a stop on their underground railroad system so the rest of us can hope you get caught, OR start a farm and hire them since they APPARENTLY do our economy here in the US a lot of good.
charmedvip 1 year ago
@charmedvip Do yourself a favor and keep your thoughts to yourself because you are embarrassing yourself. The link clearly states these are public high schools not specialty schools. I'm starting to believe your claim that you've never been in a high minority high school, or to ANY school for that matter. More than likely it's uneducated people like you that cause our economy more harm than good.
iammetx 1 year ago
and I have never EVER been in a high minority school that has high achievement, student success, and a low ratio of special education students. All of these things compiled into one = HIGH TAXES for the REST OF US! I just can't say it enough....you are a moron.
charmedvip 1 year ago
I find it entertaining that YOU are trying to tell ME that urban, high minority schools are among the best and I would give you some statistics on how they are not but you would probably just tell me that my statistics are scued and biased as you did maxzig when he provided you NOT ONLY statistics but also the sources of them. So how about this- I went to college for 6 years, received both a masters and bachelors degree in education and have worked in both urban, rural, and suburban schools.
charmedvip 1 year ago
@charmedvip No, I am not trying to tell YOU that schools populated with a majority population are among the nations best. That's a fact that's up to you to soak up. Here's a link since you're too lazy to look it up yourself:
Link: education.usnews.rankingsandreviews (dot) com/articles/education/high-schools/2010/06/08/schools-populated-with-minorities-are-among-nations-best-high-schools.h t m l
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maxzig71 1 year ago
@iammetx Well, of course, now you're talking specialty schools where the students generally know how to apply themselves. Lets go for the run of the mill ordinary high school. Try Again!
maxzig71 1 year ago
@maxzig71 What do you mean specialty schools? These are public high schools, or did you not read correctly.
iammetx 1 year ago
@iammetx School of Science and Engineering Magnet, Hidalgo Early College High School, Animo Leadership Charter High School, Lennox Mathematics, Science & Technology Academy, IDEA Quest Academy & College Prepatory, and California Academy of Math & Science. Just to name a few.....not specialty, prep, magnet or charter schools? You smokin loco weed?
maxzig71 1 year ago
Iammetx obviously thinks that all people that move here from Latin America are decent, forthcoming people that deserve a chance and would NEVER try to cheat the system. This is absolutely untrue! Iammetx- Once you have experienced the devistation that these people are causing our country and communities you can make these ridiculously false statements but until then you are just making yourself look like a moron.
charmedvip 1 year ago
@charmedvip Sorry, but all my statements are supported by facts. I live 3 miles away from the border in a high immigrant population, a large number of them, no doubt, undocumented. I've lived here for over 30 years and I've NEVER once experienced this so called devastation you mention. I have no idea why you bring up Latin America if I haven't mentioned them in any of my posts, although I do believe the MAJORITY of them are decent and a very minute portion cheat the system.
iammetx 1 year ago
Hmmm... Geez I could sure use the $3 billion dollars they are pissing down the drain on these people.
charmedvip 1 year ago
Among the largest costs include Medicaid use, treatment for the uninsured, and participation in food assistance programs. ........... That is the whole picture from the 'Center for Immigration Studies', a 100% unbiased government source........thank you
maxzig71 1 year ago
@maxzig71 Center for Immigration Studies unbiased? Aren't they for less immigration? Hmm, it would seem to benefit their agenda to twist their facts, like say, not separating legal from undocumented. You do know their report statistics include LEGAL immigrants as well, don't you, because they are for LESS immigration, not more, be it legal or otherwise. Unbiased indeed.
iammetx 1 year ago
@iammetx Maybe but, I am 100% sure there are more illegals living out of the government than legal immigrants.
specopspr 1 year ago
@specopspr Well, naturally you can be 100% sure of what you believe but the facts state otherwise. If you don't qualify for government assistance, then how can you live off it? What part of illegals don't qualify for government assistance don't you get? Their American born children qualify for government assistance, but as stated before, these families pay more into the system than they use. Even Fox news admits it. Look it up.
iammetx 1 year ago
@iammetx Because they use fake ID's!!, they collect welfare and housing assistance. You do realize there are states that allow illegals to apply for such assistance programs. They walk into a hospital and demand to be treated and the hospital can't refuse at the ER. And who pays the bill???
specopspr 1 year ago
"The High Cost of Cheap Labor: Illegal Immigration and the Federal Budget." Camarota finds that while over half of undocumented immigrants contribute to the federal budget in the form of payroll taxes (creating a benefit for Social Security and Medicare programs of $7 billion annually), the costs of undocumented immigrants to the federal government exceeded their contributions by approximately $10.4 billion.
maxzig71 1 year ago
Hmmm specopspr..... I have REASONABLE SUSPICION and PROBABLE CAUSE to assume you just might wear a green uniform to work each day decked out with a sew on yellow patch and a gun belt. JUST STATING THE OBVIOUS :)
charmedvip 1 year ago
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specopspr 1 year ago
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@charmedvip I wish, I did the national guard tour last time we were deployed to the southwest border. Ask those guys a lot of questions of why they do why they do. We were in a remote area where illegals crossing where from Islamic countries. That was an eye opener.
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In addition, my fiance used to work on a dairy farm which trucked illegal aliens in to milk their cows. These people ADMITTED they were illegal, given fake names like George and Robert ( I mean come on really?!). They were PAID UNDER the table and ALL had New York State medicaid cards....I have SEEN THEM! My fiance would always mess with them and tell them the Border Patrol was coming and they would run and hide. They are guilty and know it .
charmedvip 1 year ago
@charmedvip Sorry, I just can't believe what you say. For one, undoc immigrants don't qualify for medicaid, so how could they have them? & even if they were paid under the table, it still doesn't mean they weren't paying taxes. I mean, why would they need fake names if they were paid under the table? But still, they must have paid rent, sales taxes, property taxes, etc. Your fiance is just as guilty of committing a wrong by not calling the BP and reporting them.
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maxzig71 1 year ago
@iammetx "The user has already said they provided their visas. The lady clearly states she had already told the officer the night before, to which the officer states it doesn't matter".......again totally unbiased information not in fact. The user is just trying to justify her opposition to the removal of the two persons from the train. How can you possibly refute this logically?
maxzig71 1 year ago
@maxzig71 Right!, I went through a DUI checkpoint and told them that I got drunk the night before, not that night, but they still arrested me....come on. LOL
specopspr 1 year ago
@iammetx In my area, the illegals live in housing provided for them by the farm, therefore, no rent or property tax. They are paid in cash......no income tax. Their purchases are minimal......... not much sales tax. Much of their money is sent south. As a group they operate a vehicle, generally with no reg or ins. As for the fiance informing BP, I'm sure he had an interest in protecting his job, and by your standards, since this was not a checkpoint, BP shouldn't have any jurisdiction.
maxzig71 1 year ago
@iammetx you do realize they can use a fake name, SS number, and pay taxes at the end of the year.....oh yeah which they don't. I'm sure there are some people here that recieved that nice letter from the IRS stating that they reported less income and own the IRS.
specopspr 1 year ago
@specopspr How can they pay taxes at the end of the year if most don't make that much. Normally, a low income family will receive an income tax reimbursement, but since undocumented immigrants can't claim their reimbursement it goes back into the coffers.
iammetx 1 year ago
@iammetx Not all illegals get paid low wages. That's a misconception. I seen situations were they use a SS# for one job and another SS# for the other job to split the income to make it seem low. I know the tricks so don't come to me with that.
specopspr 1 year ago
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@specopspr I didn't say all illegals get paid low wages. I said most. However they do it, if they are using a SS# then they are still paying payroll taxes.
iammetx 1 year ago
consider THESE numbers: It costs my district $36,000 to hire a NEW teacher...that is assuming that these specialty teachers are first year hires which most are not. These illegal aliens are ABSOLUTELY not paying that much in state and federal aid picking cabbage on the roadside for $8.00/hour thus, they are SUCKING MORE THAN GIVING (crude way to put it maxzig but the figures DONT lie).
charmedvip 1 year ago
I absolutely agree that illegal aliens are "sucking more than giving" as well. I am a teacher and work in a school district with very few minorities. Everytime another illegal moves into the area--and we know they're illegal because they refuse to disclose their citizenship--their children come to my school and are able to speak only Spanish in which we are LEGALLY bound to hire interpreters, English as a Second Language (ESL) teachers to SPECIALLY service these children.
charmedvip 1 year ago
@charmedvip Geez, that must explain why schools populated with minorities are among the nations best.
iammetx 1 year ago
@iammetx WOW....Schools with high minority populations are traditionally in low income, high crime areas crying for more public money to improve test scores and retention. I am very familiar with urban schools in my area and you're statement just falls flat on it's face.
maxzig71 1 year ago
@iammetx I'kl repply to your visa nonsense when I get to my comp. For now, get something stright. If you are illegally in this country you are in violation of immigration laws and thats that
specopspr 1 year ago
@specopspr Who was ever disagreeing with that? The question isn't about if a person is illegally in the country, but whether the people in this video were. You don't know if they were illegally in the country and from the video and the descriptions and the user's admittance that the people provided documentation, it is clear they were adjusting status, and the officer was wrong about them not having equal rights.
iammetx 1 year ago
@iammetx I have to agree with charmedvip and pokerm7, you have no idea what you are talking about iammetx. You might think you do, but believe me you don't. You just contradicted yourself. You are right a least on one thing; I don't know if these people were illegally in the country. Neither the BP agent prior to talking to them. That is why he is conducting a immigration inspection. Now was it legal, YES! it was. Until the law changes it is legal.
specopspr 1 year ago
@iammetx It is legal for BP agents to conduct immigration inspections base on reasonable suspicion or probable cause depending on the situation. Now, how do they get to develop that RS or PC is how the game is played. They are numerous things they can do for that. I could explain them but I'm not going to talk about applied authorities. You mention equal right, what equal rights?? Equal rights compare to US citizens in immigration? They DON'T.
specopspr 1 year ago
@iammetx We go back to the illegal question. Are they illegally in the country YES, are they adjusting their status?, who knows. Until it is confirmed. But since their visa, assuming they have one, is not readily available, which every immigrant has to carry on them at all times by law; then they are illegally in the country and they are detain and transport to a processing facility.
specopspr 1 year ago
@specopspr The user has already said they provided their visas. The lady clearly states she had already told the officer the night before, to which the officer states it doesn't matter. If she had already gone through this the night before, then she wouldn't have been on that train if she were in the country illegally.
iammetx 1 year ago
@iammetx I'll tell you what. Tell all your illegal immigrant friends, assuming you have them, to file a I-485, and then go through a POE or a BP checkpoint ;). Because according to you they are parole and they are not deportable. And then we'll see who's right ;)
specopspr 1 year ago
@specopspr Wow, and you say I don't know what I'm talking about. Not everyone can file for an I-485. In order to file for I-485 a person MUST BE IN STATUS all the time (i.e. not in the country illegally), OR, has stayed illegally for less then 180 days (i.e. overstayed their visa), OR qualifies for the LIFE act. It's not as easy as just telling my undoc friends to do that. If they qualified, they would just to prove you wrong, but only a BP checkpoint. For a POE, they'd need adv parole. ;)
iammetx 1 year ago
@iammetx I know, but according to what you said before they get parole because they are illegal so they can finish their residency requirement. Also, not all non-immigrants can adjust status. You talk with the "I wish this and that" idea. And most people here are talking to you with the way things are.
specopspr 1 year ago
@Maxzig71 BTW, I thought your comment was funny, the one about the fart, lol. Can't see it anymore, so I don't know if you removed it.
iammetx 1 year ago
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bjarczyk 1 year ago
Border Patrol - breaking up families and destroying lives on a daily basis. How these bastards sleep at night is beyond me.
antiprocon 1 year ago
@antiprocon They knew the rules when they came into this country, so let the chips fall where they may. How many lives and families were destroyed on 911.
maxzig71 1 year ago
@maxzig71 And for all the check points around country, not one of those terrorists were caught and the majority of them were legal immigrants who came in following the rules.
iammetx 1 year ago
@antiprocon If you don't like the laws of our country then go live somewhere else.
porkerm7 1 year ago
I'm glad to see that there are still folks out there who agree with the simple principle that the law is the law. Yes, the concept of "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses...." is still alive. Unfortunately, too many people take advantage of the generosity of this country and its tax payers by entering and/or staying illegally making checkpoints like this necessary. Frankly, I'm happy to know that this guy is looking out for my country, my safety...and my wallet.
dtpvegas 1 year ago
@dtpvegas Yes, the bp agnt was only doing his job but these checkpoints cost tax payer money & so far, they've done nothing 2 capture terrorists. The only good thing they do is catch drugs & undoc immigrants. Undoc immig who pay taxes, & ironically, some money going to fund these bp checkpoints. When an undoc. immig. is captured @ these checkpoints, they are usually placed in immig. det cntrs that you pay for w/ your tax money going into CCA pockets all b/c a person didn't have their docs?
iammetx 1 year ago
@iammetx Ignorance truly is bliss... As much fun as it would be to embarrass you by posting a response calling out all of the ways in which your arguments contradict themselves, I think you've done a good enough job of that yourself. The one fact we agree on is that this agent was doing his job. Few of us are happy with the overall inefficiency of the government, but your suggestion that we stop enforcing immigration law just because it is difficult to do so is ludicrous...and dangerous.
dtpvegas 1 year ago
@dtpvegas No one is suggesting we stop enforcing immig laws. The suggestion is that there is a time & a place for it, AND the right way to do it w/out infringing on the rights of those who are in this country legally or are Am citizens. Your ignorance must be the 1 truly at bliss if you do not see how these sort of checkpoints are diminishing our rights as citizens & all for the sake of "homeland security". I'm sure you feel safer now that 2 pple who were adj status were removed from a train.
iammetx 1 year ago
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@iammetx " I'm sure you feel safer now that 2 pple who were adj status were removed from a train" Not neccesarily safer, but I know that true American citizens are not going to have to pay for social service benefits or health care benefits for their anchor baby.
maxzig71 1 year ago
@maxzig71 They would be misinformed if they believe they have to pay for those services. For the most part, if they are living here undocumented, they would be working AND paying taxes, thus, whatever social service benefits they get, if any, their American born child is entitled to it. As an American, I don't care about my tax dollars going to assist those in need. It's not weighing on my pockets. What's weighing on my pocket are high gas prices, high food costs, and high utility prices.
iammetx 1 year ago
@iammetx Then YOU send a few bucks extra in with your tax return next year stipulating what it is to be used for. Taxes very much contribute to the high prices of all the items you mentioned, and so much more. This country simply cannot afford the burden. Check the financial status of the hospitals along the southern border, and the social service costs of the south western states. If what you say is true then none of these problems would exist.
maxzig71 1 year ago
@maxzig71 Why should I send a few extra bucks if I'm already paying my fair share like anyone who works, including undoc immigrants? Undoc immigrants pay more in taxes than what they use. The financial status of the hospitals here on the border are due to lawsuits for malpractice & medicaid/medicare fraud, high tech equip maint, doctor/patient ratio, etc. Over 80% of social service users in the south are Am citizens or legal residents. Our problem here is jobs being shipped out of country.
iammetx 1 year ago
@iammetx That is so much BULL Go any of the Gov't websites and check the stats, so hospitals on the southern border experience more lawsuits and fraud than do other across the country? Go ahead and check the stats on public assistance and crime before you come up with your own dreamworld figures.
maxzig71 1 year ago
@maxzig71 Your numbers mean nothing without looking at the big picture, Bottom line is they are sucking more than giving
maxzig71 1 year ago
@maxzig71 As for taxes contributing to the high prices, then thank goodness we have the undocumented immigrant population putting in their fair share or I can imagine what prices would look like if they hadn't. As it is, they've helped the tax payers in Texas alone with over $424.7 million in profit from the $1.58 billion in tax revenues they pay into the system through sales, property, and payroll taxes to name a few. Over all, it is estimated they pay over 9 BILLION in SS taxes alone in 1 yr
iammetx 1 year ago
Unfortunatly it has to be done!!
trainengineer2 1 year ago
If the purpose of this video is to show the "horror" of the Border Patrol checking the citizenship status of people on a train at the border...it backfired.
erictet1 1 year ago
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TheRafaShow96 1 year ago
@TheRafaShow96 Its just a joke!
TheRafaShow96 1 year ago
@TheRafaShow96 What is a joke? Is it a joke that people get arrested for breaking the law? If you don't like the law then run for congress and introduce a bill to change it. Until then, people who break the laws of this country will continue to be arrested, charged, and sent before a court of law.
porkerm7 1 year ago
@porkerm7 LOL you are totally right, yea it because my comment was a little racist but, yeah
TheRafaShow96 1 year ago
@TheRafaShow96 It's a racist joke though.
I don't think Rafa would be proud to keep you as a fan.
mireille876 1 year ago
@mireille876 I deleted the comment BTW
TheRafaShow96 1 year ago
was this at the union station? or why did u guys stop
elngreo13 1 year ago
Some people don't understand illegal is illegal whether its 1 or 50 miles inside the border, in this case it happened to be less than 5. If your not a U.S. citizen you have to carry your paperwork with you, are we asking to much? And there is that nasty word the libs love again, "profiling". Any kind of police work requires a certain degree of profiling, You don't question pink flamingos when green elephants are commiting the crimes.
maxzig71 1 year ago
@maxzig71 So then, why aren't they profiling the white people? They commit over 70 percent of the violent crimes in America?
iammetx 1 year ago
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maxzig71 1 year ago
@iammetx Are we talking about violent crimes across America or illegal border incursions. WAKE UP!!!!
maxzig71 1 year ago
@maxzig71 Neither. We were talking about this supposed need to profile. You said: "Any kind of police work requires a certain degree of profiling, You don't question pink flamingos when green elephants are commiting the crimes. "
So why aren't they profiling white's if they commit 70 percent of violent crimes? What's worse? Violent crimes across America or illegal border incursions? I rest my case.
iammetx 1 year ago
@iammetx We are talking about one specific crime of illegal entry into the U.S. Perhaps we should ask what is the ratio of white anglo-saxons to latinos or asians caught crossing the border illegally. I've got a feeling it is extremely low. So shouldn't we be checking documentation comensurate with that ratio. Local police profile constantly, if a tall thin blond white guy comitted the crime, they don't question the short bald man.
maxzig71 1 year ago
@maxzig71 Naturally, if they know who committed the crime, then they know what to look for. Not only that, but they also get clues from witnesses. They don't go around stopping every single white guy they see unless they fit the description and are roaming around the area where the criminal was last seen. So technically, it's not profiling, but filtering. What you are requesting and supporting is what you would call racial profiling and that is unconstitutional.
iammetx 1 year ago
@iammetx wao! not too bright. I could explain this over and over but I bet you are one of those people that I could put the spotlight right in your face and you wont see the light...
specopspr 1 year ago
@specopspr & judging by your insistence on something in which you are obviously incorrect about, you are not so bright yourself. Look up the right to travel while in the process of adjusting status. It clearly states you cannot leave the country w/o advanced parole, but you CAN travel freely within the states. The spotlight is right in YOUR face, but I bet YOU won't see the light. Go get more experience on a subject before you try talking about it like you know what you are talking about, lol.
iammetx 1 year ago
@iammetx you really believe I am incorrect, LOL. Once again, not too bright. You do realize when you adjust your status you still have to carry the paper work and your visa with you. You can also be issue a fine for not having your documents on you at all times. This is explain to immigrants when they receive their visas. I do have a lot of experience. I'm sure you are a good source of reliable information, LOL
specopspr 1 year ago
@specopspr Not only can you be issued a fine, you could be arrested, charged, and sentenced up to 30 days in jail! It is a criminal offense for non-immigrants and immigrants to not have their immigration documents on their person at all times. Title 8 United States Code Section 1304(e)
porkerm7 1 year ago
@porkerm7 No one is arguing that. Where in the video do you see the officer requesting to see any documentation? True, applying for a green card does not mean they have equal rights to stay in the country, but if they filed to adjust status, then they more than likely have another type of visa that affords them those rights. Like I said, no where in the video did I see the officer request to another form of proof for legal status.
iammetx 1 year ago
@iammetx Have you even considered the possibility that the requesting of documentation occurred BEFORE the camera started filming and that was probably what prompted the interest in the situation by other passengers in the first place? I know I've gone out on a limb and used logic here, which doesn't seem to be the norm in your comments, but seeing as how the first line in the video is "Just because...", one could assume a decent portion of the conversation had already taken place.
dtpvegas 1 year ago
@dtpvegas And I'll be going out on a limb here, considering reading doesn't seem to be the norm in your comments, but if you actually click on the little arrow up there ^^^ and read the description, it states the officer ASKED everyone what their immigration status was and then chatted with the couple for a while before escorting them off. It does not state that ID's or Visa's were requested. Obviously, your logic fails you.
iammetx 1 year ago
@iammetx Yes - I'm the moron. It's obvious that the depiction of the chain of events provided by the completely unbiased poster that you accept as Gospel is 100% accurate. I'm sure that absolutely no additional conversation took place in between the agent asking for immigration status and the start of the video. Sometimes I forget that the use of common sense and reason has no place in our society. I should probably adopt your philosophy of not using either and get my news from You Tube...
dtpvegas 1 year ago
@iammetx I'm interested to know what you would like to see the Gov't do in relation to border security. Would you like totally open borders with no restrictions. Maybe we should further hobble our agents and limit their powers to within a100 yds of the border. The U.S. has one of the most relaxed border system in the world now, just exactly what do you want?
maxzig71 1 year ago
@iammetx Stop talking about advance parole. That only allows someone to re-enter the country after they have left. But, if they're stopped in the country and they're not in status....guess what? You got it, they can be arrested and sent before a judge.
porkerm7 1 year ago
@porkerm7 It still applies to those who are here. Certain immigration benefits and time spent in the U.S. while certain applications are still pending may place you in a period of authorized stay, e.g., a properly filed application for adjustment of status, etc.
iammetx 1 year ago
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maxzig71 1 year ago
@iammetx This video is less than one minute long. Trust me, it takes a lot longer than that to determine a person's status in the country. Maybe the person didn't have any documentation or maybe he'd already given it to the officer and the video didn't catch that part of it. There's also this little thing called performing records checks. When you apply for and receive visas, green cards, etc., that all goes into computerized databases. Border Patrol just doesn't arrest people on a whim!
porkerm7 1 year ago
@porkerm7 These people were not being arrested. They were being detained. @ any internal checkpoint, the officer usually only asks 4 immig status & not verification of it. It's not to say they don't request it, but when they do, they need to have a valid reasonable suspicion, i.e. they refused to show legal docs. Assuming he asked for doc, if they didn't provide it then he'd be within his right, but the descriptions state otherwise. Many pple don't fight this b/c they don't know their rights.
iammetx 1 year ago
@specopspr What visa? When you are in the adjustment of status, you do not have a visa. Just a receipt from INS that looks like a cashiers receipt, and if you have a lawyer, it is advised you have the letter from your lawyer explaining your situation. Like I said before, each BP agent is allowed to exercise their decision at their discretion, and you can still be deported, but it does not mean you are illegally in the country when you are adjusting status and you still have rights.
iammetx 1 year ago
@iammetx I'm glad everything worked out for your husband. You are correct that every BP agent has discretion...within the law. Rest assured that during any adjustment of status you must maintain the status of the visa on which you entered this country. If not, you can be arrested and sent before an immigration judge. That is the law and that is why the person in this video was taken off of the train.
porkerm7 1 year ago
@porkerm7 Thank you!!! That's what I been trying to explain to her but she wont listen.
specopspr 1 year ago
@iammetx Really? You STILL have a visa when you are adjusting your status. How the hell you think they get in the country to start with??!! Unless they have a visa waiver. Now you are talking out of the blue. I'm done trying to teach you a thing or two. I'm not even going to go into the deportation process. Of course they still have rights; they have the right to an immigration hearing!!! And it all depends what type of visa they have to adjust their status. Good luck to you!!
specopspr 1 year ago
@specopspr I shouldn't have said the "not too bright" comment, sorry about that. I just get carried away sometimes =).
specopspr 1 year ago
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@specopspr I shouldn't have said the "not too bright" comment, sorry about that. I just get carried away sometimes =).
specopspr 1 year ago
@specopspr LOL, no you don't nec STILL have a visa when adj your status. If the visa was lost or stolen b4 adj. status, or if you entered the country illglly & then applied 4 adjustment of status, then u DON'T have a visa. Seriously, YOU are talking out of the blue. Advance parole is most commonly used when someone has Form I-485, App to Reg Perm Res or to Adj Status, pending. Note, this couple is applying 4 a green card, but they were not asked 4 proof of any other doc 2 prove legal status.
iammetx 1 year ago
@iammetx Listen....any alien can apply to adjust status at anytime regardless of status. Just because you fill out an I-485 it doesn't give you the right to remain in the country illegally. If your visa is up, then you must return to your country and wait for the application to be approved. ICE and CBP arrest thousands of aliens for this and I don't see any lawsuits to get them to stop. Why?....because they can. Maybe you just happened to get a lazy BP agent who didn't want to do paperwork
porkerm7 1 year ago
@porkerm7 It does if you've already been assigned an alien #. Being assigned an alien # doesn't mean your application is approved, but usually you are given an A # when you pay your fine & submit your application at an INS office. You can still be deported @ the discretion of any BP agent, which is why it is advised you do not travel past these checkpoints during the application process. Many ppl who get deported during these times are then barred for a # of yrs b/c they don't know their rights.
iammetx 1 year ago
@specopspr im not saying what is happening to these people is right but what lammetex is trying to say is their visa might have already been expired.
amamuffin 1 year ago
@iammetx this has been debated in the courts over and over yet you still believe you are right. Keep listening to the ACLU and those groups, that should get you far LOL.
specopspr 1 year ago
I live in this area, take this train to Albany and NYC on a regular basis.
Perhaps this is detroitjones' first time on the train, it stops at an international border crossing in Buffalo. And when the officers board at stations they always ask each person the same few questions. There is no "profiling". Indeed, we can see these people admit they are here ilegally.
The main point this video makes is how professionally the officer handled these two illegal aliens.
erictet1 1 year ago
Wow, you people may actually change your mind about the Border Patrol after some terrorist blows up the airplane or train one of your family member is on.
charmedvip 1 year ago
@charmedvip Which terrorists? The legal ones, the American ones, or the undocumented ones, because none have been caught at these checkpoints that I am aware of.
iammetx 1 year ago
@iammetx It is not the BP's job to determine a good illegal from a bad illegal, just the fact that they are illegal. You are not privy to the information and inner workings of INS, I don't doubt that you were not informed of the thwarting of a potentially violent incursion. You're probably not at the top of their list.
maxzig71 1 year ago
@maxzig71 Of course it is not their job, but there are ways to go about instead of trampling on people's rights. Don't get me wrong, I admire the BP for their service & I do not blame them for the work they have to do. Living on the border, I've seen them do many great deeds, from buying food w/ their own money to feed the people they've caught, but I think they are focusing too much on minor stuff like illegal immig & it is why we need immig reform to reduce the need for these check points
iammetx 1 year ago
@iammetx I'm done talking to you. The law is the law and people who can be arrested and set up for removal proceedings will continue to be whether you think they have legal status or not. If you would like I can give you the number to some head ICE and CBP attorneys who will attempt to explain it to you just as I have done. Ignorance of the law is no excuse....which is the case with the person in the video. You can continue living in your fairytale world and I will keep doing my job.
porkerm7 1 year ago
@porkerm7 You cannot tell if the people in the video were ignorant about the law. The user has already stated they provided documentation and they explained to the officer that they were adjusting status.. The officer's issue was not with their documentation but with their adjusting status in which he wrongfully tells them they do not have equal rights BECAUSE of the adjustment of status, not because of the docs they produced.