Good stuff man, our guilds having a lot of trouble on the last phase. Loads of people getting rickrolled by the wisps because of the dumb fucking blind bombs.
Great guide ciderhelm, I'm so happy to see someone as recognised in MMOs as you has picked up RIFT in a somewhat serious way. Let's hope this one doesn't get left in the shadow of WoW like alot of previous competitors have!
The only reason I stick to wow is for it's story and art(ingame mainly). This just looks a bit to realistic for me, I like the cartoonish version wow has, it's prolly the only reason why I'll stick with WoW till it finally dies or I go to enjoy a different game. This just seems to 'realistic' in it's art. While it's fine for most people, I don't like. Can have the best game material but if it doesn't look good to me I prolly won't pick it up. Good to see ya back though Ciderhelm.
@nomadnecroma there's 1 thing wrong with realistic art that people don't seem to understand, realistic art needs a lot of polish to be good.. oh, it can look real but if it has no polish or extra shit on the ground it will never feel real to the player.
that's why I for one think WoW has some of the best graphics any games have come to, those graphics defines the game and gives it a world of its own. but.. as much as I praise WoW right now, I also hate some of the cute shit in Cataclysm....
Not to mention the dungeons in RIFT (12 of them at the moment, I believe) are harder than the WoW beginning dungeons. Different mechanics too, unlike Wow who reuses them from dungeon to dungeon.
All those who haven't tried RIFT but enjoy WoW should give it a try. Thumbs up if you agree. :)
you realize that leveling 1-60 was alot longer than it is now... and leveling to level 50 on that game is alot shorter than 1-50 was on wow sooo ur a retard idlersme because i played during vanilla and it took me at least 3-5 months leveling to 60... because i was a slow leveler in that game it took people like 1-2 months that were slow levelers in wow to hit level 50... that took 3-5 months leveling to 60 like me and most of the people in wow that quit by the time wow is at now soooooooooo stfu
all the wow fanboys saying this game is fucking easy. Play it. Leveling to 50 in this game is probably harder then any content in wow itself. Just sayin'
cider- are u the warlord specced warrior? i have thrown my souls towards the warlord-pally-riftblade trees.. as what PCgamer suggested- it seems to work as far as aggro... your opinions?
Graphics looks good, but battle looks bit boring - reminds me a bit of LOTRO fights, not as complex as Wow raiding, tho I understand this game is very new and WoW raids in the beginning weren't as complex as now. However, doesn't look like anyone took any damage in this raid, I don't know, healing this put one to sleep? I'm sure there is some challenge healing in it that I don't see. However, I've not tried this game, so it's simply a first impression, I'm sure it's a great game :)
@Dasconscripts I saw Molten Core. It had more complex fights than this. If the defense of Rift's end game is that it is as good as WoWs 5 years ago I'll pass on the game.
@Dasconscripts in all fairness WoW did have some fun places. I quit before cataclysm came out but i'll always remember places like karazhan and ulduar. i haven't played rift nor have i really cared enough to follow what it's like but i do hear good things about it from people who don't compare it to WoW.
@TapeofScotch Oh no dont get me wrong, I LOVED some raids in wow, but the release content in wow was terrible, it wasnt until 1.1 that there was a raid, this game has end game content, constantly.
Not to mention there are no addons in this game so things that LOOK easy are not in any way easy, nothing to tell you, MOVE YOU HAVE A BOMB UNDER YOU HERP DERP DERP
@Dasconscripts I'll give you that. Besides I do realize this game is very new so I wouldn't be surprised if this game became really good in a few years provided it doesn't become the next Age of Conan aka a bunch of people from WoW quit to play it and argue it's the best game ever and then it just crashes because the game ultimately sucked.
@bluebearh3 You could be right money wise blizzard is a billion dollar company But WOW isnt much a game and little money is now being put to it, a expansion of CATA was far less then you may think. Most was just reused areas with just some reskinning. As a programer I almost fell over how cheap cata was and so little effort. NOW with SC2 TITAN and D3 WOW is slowly getting less and less money spent into it as the rehash of old instances as NEW ones... lol WOW = money but little else
@bluebearh3 Sorry i am not into kids. 1 its illegal and 2 just never been attracted to young little boys like you. I suggest talking to your mom, which is a good chance I once plowed her, I screwed a lot of Ho bags in the 70s,80s and 90s..from all over the world so many whores I dumped my load into when i was traveling the world. But ask you mom why you want older men to be with you. It is a sickness and tell your mom I said hi, I think she went by Slutbag ..I recall that from her.
Tbh I would never expect strong raiding mechanics/encounters at release of an MMO or at least until a new patch comes out. Just remember when WoW first came out compared to now it was extremely limited and basic especially on classes.
Ciderhelm's Guide to Infiltrator Johlen (Rift, Greenscale's Blight) <---- look at the last part of the title. Rift = game Greenscales blight = raid instance
@gatorboy124 i have played both and honestly raiding in wow is better but the overall gameplay for rift blows wow out of the way, lvling is actually fun in rift, in wow its just annoying
@gatorboy124 Get your fucking brain working or go kill yourself, this is not a "copy" of wow seeing as wow was not even the first of it's kind, besides Rift' has taken wow and improved upon it... you just got your head stuck too far up your ass to see it
@felix123123 You have to look at this game as vanilla WoW in many aspects. The only reason WoW is at it's place today (especially regarding boss mechanics) is community input and developers/designers growth, nothing else. Rift is Trion Worlds first MMORPG, it's only been out for weeks. Stop being a fanboy.
@oOoIIoOo I'm sure its been said, but honestly you can't exactly judge this game too hard unless you've played it honestly. There are region wide raids for christs sake!
@oOoIIoOo Game is like a month old, wow is 7 years.. wow has had so much time to improve, and trust me when i say this, when wow came out it's raiding sucked penis
@oOoIIoOo i really agree and look at his fuckign rotation... he presses 2 3 then 3 once and repeats EVERSINGLE TIME his energy bar never went bellow 50% even when the boss wasent attacking him and he barely had to do any movement i meen come on this should be a fucking heroic... no thanks i rather stick to my prot warr and ill just come by to hear his voice
@oOoIIoOo I'd have to agree that lately wow is definitely more interesting, but keep in mind that it has been around for almost 7 years now. Rift will catch up to the awesome in a little while.
@oOoIIoOo its still early game yet, early on in vanilla wow the boss fights were very simple, and got more complicated as blizzard got a better handle on raid mechanics, etc. They only became these complicated multi task fights in WotLK, where they lost a lot of difficulty due to the fact that they had to balance out the difficulty and the multitasking. WoW raiding is far from perfect, so far rift seems to have done a decent effort. Only time will tell I guess
@pkm54 I was thinking that as well. I'm sure Rift will get more interesting over time. They did a really great job at creating a new MMO that takes advantage of what blizzard has learned over time from WoW. My point was that raiding content isn't a selling point for me so far. The class system is very interesting though.
even so have you ever seen anything new after ulduar.... wow keeps getting crappier with every expansion even though BC was awesome WotLK was disappointing and cataclysm was even more of a "copy of the old stuff" and at least BC and WotLK had some real lore, in the real wow lore deathwing is a titan he is not supposed to die and we are killing him in a few months.
@johnomonoia5 I'm satisfied with current WoW raid and heroic content. they were a blast to get into and work on. sure they're getting old, but I feel they are more difficult (for the time) than anything short of Sunwell which has been arguable the most difficult raid instance ever released. at the start, Cata heroics and raid bosses were more unforgiving than the Lich King fight. I do agree that Naxx was a walk in the park, ToC was lame, and BC was my favorite time of raiding.
@johnomonoia5 deathwing is not a titan, he never was. The titans appointed him as an aspect tho, a guardian of the world they created, same as the leaders of the other dragonflights. And RIFT is awesome :>
Really glad to see you do some more raid videos. Always enjoyed your videos. Guess your back to raiding again. Really sick of the trolls saying rift is ripping off wow. Guess they never heard of Ultimate online, Everquest, FFXI or any other mmo that blizzard wisely copied off of.
@espeon1 Orcs and Trolls are fucking bad ass, idk wtf your smoking. Graphics dont make a game, and WoW is original, everything else is either copying or using WoW's ideas. Fuck, people need to stop bashing wow. If you like rift, play rift, dont put down WoW, which Rift is very heavily influenced by...
@LilithImmacualte YET, wow had been heavily influenced by games that had come out before it, so is it really as original as you have said? or is it the same as every other game in the genre, rift is only a copy of wow because wow came out first and so on, wow is seen as the Original game in the mmo community only because of its huge success
@legalas00013 WoW took the idea of a typical MMO, and executed it so well, that it made the entire game genre known to the world... So yes, i do still believe that WoW is one of the original MMO's simply because it took the idea of an MMO and... Perfected it, sort to speak. Dont get me wrong, Everquest and games like that came out before WoW, but i still believe that WoW executed the idea of an MMO better than its predecessor's, therefore, making it "original"
@LilithImmacualte only thing original about WoW is it's storyline, The game concept and fight mechanics are all apart of the MMO genre back when EQ was the 1st and only original MMO other than Ultimate; I wouldn't include FFXI just for the simple fact that the way it just played out. Granted it was a MMO but it was in a world of it's own. But Rift to alot of people including myself is a Vintage Game brought back to life & brought up-to-date with today's Genre of MMO's. And that sir is Priceless
@LilithImmacualte Let's just put it to you this way. I've been a gamer for over 26yrs Long before Blizzard was even thought of. Since the dawn of times; I've found my way into MMO's starting with Ultima & EQ1. Eventually it was FFXI then EQ2 then somewhere in all those crazy mixes was WoW. It amazed me to a point to where I wanted to quit FFXI because it had a wonderful background storyline interesting concepts and game mechanics were actually challenging. Was WoW a Clone of a previous MMO?
@LilithImmacualte Was WoW a clone? Sure it was, It was a clone to an extent in terms of concept & playthrough. However it was also Evolution, It took a basic concept of an MMO & turned it into something Wonderful & unique. However; It's now been over 6 years for WoW; it's time has slowly come to a diminishing halt. With new content being re-explored & updated to unfold a storyline that eventually gets WoW players to The Emerald Dream Expansion in which will be either the next Xpac or one more.
@LilithImmacualte The bottomline is this, WoW is doing what every person who has left it had feared. And That is turning the game into a Simple playstyle game re-designed for a younger audience rather than coming up with new content for the older community such as myself & many more like me, Only to prolong the inevitable. Blizzard claims to have a new MMO coming out. Taking the place of WoW? We'll just have to see. But your question was: Is Rift really that much better than WoW?
@Antifaith29 I'm still enlisted in a High Ranking guild on my server on Azuremyst. and yes I've raided some of the newer content on there for Cata..We didn't find it that hard considering we've all came from a long background of raiders.
@LilithImmacualte In terms for the Older Community and generations to come? Yes Rift is a heck of alot better than WoW, Rift is Evolution at it's finest. Rift does have many simularities to WoW. Why? Well because it's a standard format of a UI. Not the Game itself. Do you think WoW was the 1st company to come up with Mage Spells or abilities for other classes? No, All these abilities you hear from both games date back all the way to Dungeons and Dragons. The actual Role Playing Game.
@cgrigg75 Older community? Tbh i think you're in the honeymoon period. I play both games, i played eq way back when and was around for the begininngs of WoW. The community seemed a little older/better/whatever then too because it was SMALLER.
Rift is a great game but it's not breaking any ground , i'm personally kinda hovering between rift and wow while i wait for something new , SWTOR anyone?
@LilithImmacualte Rift has it's own Storyline. Rift has it's own Races and Factions, While we can still talk to both factions that's an awesome thing. Rift has harder dungeons in terms of being a new MMO and comparing it to the Cata Dungeons in WoW. (example lvl 18 dungeon is harder than a lvl 85 normal). Bottom line is this. Rift is Evolution, Rift is the "NEXT-GEN" MMO. Rift is Polished. Without a shadow of a doubt, Rift is better. btw.. I haven't been back to my WoW account since Rift Beta.
@cgrigg75 A vintage game in what respect? The fact that the executive producer could be considered "vintage" being that it's EQ's Scott Hartsman? Other than that, I see Vanguard written all over this thing. It's brought up to date by copying much of the mechanics you see now in WoW, so I don't see what you're referring to in that respect either.
I want to like it, but it's got too many of the programming flaws seen early on with Vanguard. Then again, they are using the same programmers too.
@mmogbytes When referring to & I quote "it's a Vintage Game brought back to life" meaning it feels like EQ but has the gameplay mechanics of a Today's MMO. As for the Copying as you call it; It's using the same programming that MMO's have based their products off of for the Last 20 yrs. Bottom line is this, Some people are going to like it, others won't. However you never know what you're going to like until you give it a fair chance by actually playing it before you judge it. Btw What Flaws??
@cgrigg75 I played RIFT so I guess that makes me just as qualified as anyone else here, right? I also played EQ but I don't see how RIFT resembles it. I'd say that yes, WoW copied a lot based off of EQ early on but after 6 years, survived mostly by taking it much farther on their own. However, I do think they screwed up on Cataclysm. The flaws I saw in RIFT are exactly what I saw in Vanguard's beta - coding problems they aren't going to admit. They didn't admit them in Vanguard either. cont'd.
@cgrigg75 Sony picked out something like an announced 1,200 coding errors from Vanguard in ONE day. Now you see the same problems (older cards running better fps than new, memory leaks, etc) but you have the same programmers working on Telon instead of Telara and not too far of a name change there either. The hacks also concern me but the fact that botting still exists in WoW unchecked probably concerns me even more, especially when both companies were offered fixes to the prob & refused it.
@mmogbytes You're comparing Sony's Vanguard to Trion's Rift. That's like comparing Frank Sinatra to Country music lol anyways if you don't have a link to back up your references then it's here-say. And if you've played EQ then you should know Rift resembles EQ in the fashion of the outside Raids but you knew that right? You're going to keep saying it's copied.. okay that's fine.. but honestly.. it's not copied.. It's Evolution, Next-Gen means just that. Taking something of old and making it new.
@cgrigg75 RIFT is nothing but a carryover of Sony CEO's and Vanguard's programmers. Why don't you do some homework before you call everything I stated as nothing but hearsay. You can't post links on YouTube for the record. I have done my homework and you've done nothing but demand clarifications and then when you get the answers you demanded, you decide it's not in your agenda to believe them.
Believe whatever you want, cgrigg. Nothing I wrote is untrue and you've yet to prove it was.
@mmogbytes Hackers and Leaks are everywhere. You're not going to gewt away from that. However since I've been playing There has been a significant decrease in all the GoldFarmers & Hacks. Most of the time Hackers are caused from Operator Malfunction. Meaning; It's you're own fault if you get hacked. You shouldn't be visiting sites that will have key-loggers. Bots are going to be around until they can come up with some more security. For now tho they have a Key-Lock, authenticator, & P/W feature.
@cgrigg75 Save your "how to not get keylogged" speech and go write it over on the Trion forums. They are the ones all crying over being hacked, not me. I've never been hacked.
@mmogbytes You can post a link just not in a link form. And the programmers at Trion come from all different types of past MMO's not just Sony. I'm not denying you're right I'm only stating that they come from different places not just Sony. Here follow this link gaisciochnaanu. com/tavern/10592/ This will tell you everything thus far. And It's a good looking line up. You may think it may not be due to past games that either has diminished in time or hasn't succeeded like WoW.
@mmogbytes am I ignorant about bots? Bots are software apps that run automated tasks over the Internet; performing tasks that are both simple & structurally repetitive, at a much higher rate than would be possible for a human alone. BOT is a malicious program w/ the purpose of fraudulent use of computer. Once your computer is infected w/ BOT, the malicious attacker remotely controls your computer from the external. So which definintion did u want? I am very well informed ty.
@cgrigg75 also to add to this, the bottom line is this, As I stated in a previous post; Some people are going to like it, Some will not. You obviously don't like it and I obviously do. So we have our differences but that's ok cuz We still both like WoW? I like it for it's storyline and cartoony looks. And that's ok. You have your own reason's I'm sure. This is not a forums post and I'm not going to change it into one. Good work on the Video Cider I look forward to seeing more.Thanks for the UL.
@cgrigg75 Apparently you've forgotten Asheron's Call. Being an EQ player, I'm not surprised. Never the less, it did come out the same year as Everquest, and was probably the best MMO of all time. The dynamic of the current MMOs are cookie cutter and built for wide acceptance, and the Role Playing aspect of these games lacks because of it.
You're right, too. The concepts are based from EQ.
lol about 2:09, don't stress out too much...
vartiotv 7 months ago 2
i use my cata cd as a coastr nao :-)
Luke100Skystalker 7 months ago
How do i see a different betwenn blinding bomb and the exploding bombs
Kyckling10 10 months ago
@Kyckling10 Blinding bomb looks like a yellowish-white wisp that floats around
ConquerorZeil 8 months ago
ugh ads i wont even watch
RabbitDeNiro 11 months ago
Good stuff man, our guilds having a lot of trouble on the last phase. Loads of people getting rickrolled by the wisps because of the dumb fucking blind bombs.
mcqxx 11 months ago
Are there 10man and 20man versions of this that you can do each week? or can you only do the 10man and your saved to both? or vise versa
RIFTforDummies 11 months ago
@RIFTforDummies There is only a 20m version of this.
WoWerfreakTobi 11 months ago
@RIFTforDummies There are 20 man instance raids like this and then a load of 10 man rift raids in the open world
Judgementtday 11 months ago
2:32 Lol, they wiped.
amacinthehouse 11 months ago
Great guide ciderhelm, I'm so happy to see someone as recognised in MMOs as you has picked up RIFT in a somewhat serious way. Let's hope this one doesn't get left in the shadow of WoW like alot of previous competitors have!
rockertim 11 months ago
For a game boasting so many souls, it doesn't even have one.
Izaach 11 months ago
The only reason I stick to wow is for it's story and art(ingame mainly). This just looks a bit to realistic for me, I like the cartoonish version wow has, it's prolly the only reason why I'll stick with WoW till it finally dies or I go to enjoy a different game. This just seems to 'realistic' in it's art. While it's fine for most people, I don't like. Can have the best game material but if it doesn't look good to me I prolly won't pick it up. Good to see ya back though Ciderhelm.
nomadnecroma 11 months ago
@nomadnecroma there's 1 thing wrong with realistic art that people don't seem to understand, realistic art needs a lot of polish to be good.. oh, it can look real but if it has no polish or extra shit on the ground it will never feel real to the player.
that's why I for one think WoW has some of the best graphics any games have come to, those graphics defines the game and gives it a world of its own. but.. as much as I praise WoW right now, I also hate some of the cute shit in Cataclysm....
toxicitzi 11 months ago
Rift tried a little too hard on making it look like WoW
Diemotherfkr 11 months ago
Not to mention the dungeons in RIFT (12 of them at the moment, I believe) are harder than the WoW beginning dungeons. Different mechanics too, unlike Wow who reuses them from dungeon to dungeon.
All those who haven't tried RIFT but enjoy WoW should give it a try. Thumbs up if you agree. :)
csm7882 11 months ago
@keldaj trion dosent allow mods in there game thats standard UI holmes.
alliedchucker 11 months ago
What is the name of the song in this video?
osok26 11 months ago
really....that many mods are out for it, and it just came out like 3 weeks ago?
Keldaj 11 months ago
you realize that leveling 1-60 was alot longer than it is now... and leveling to level 50 on that game is alot shorter than 1-50 was on wow sooo ur a retard idlersme because i played during vanilla and it took me at least 3-5 months leveling to 60... because i was a slow leveler in that game it took people like 1-2 months that were slow levelers in wow to hit level 50... that took 3-5 months leveling to 60 like me and most of the people in wow that quit by the time wow is at now soooooooooo stfu
rcw56 11 months ago
@rcw56 Oh man, ur utter shit then :P go to a game which is easier for ya. Good riddance
dakkaza 11 months ago
@dakkaza sooo ima go play a game that im currently 13/13 in? mmkay ur a retard
rcw56 11 months ago
all the wow fanboys saying this game is fucking easy. Play it. Leveling to 50 in this game is probably harder then any content in wow itself. Just sayin'
idlersme 11 months ago
@idlersme Ur also utter shit. Finally the scrubs are going awaaaay, good riddance.
dakkaza 11 months ago
Rift looks so gray. Everyone and everything looks the same.
shawaam 11 months ago
btw- what shard you on cider?
denverstapleton 11 months ago
cider- are u the warlord specced warrior? i have thrown my souls towards the warlord-pally-riftblade trees.. as what PCgamer suggested- it seems to work as far as aggro... your opinions?
denverstapleton 11 months ago
did wow die? did rift kill it?
petrino 11 months ago
I'll proberly buy it in 2 years or so, then the designers have some more expirence
1994AcdcFan 11 months ago
Did Ciderhelm leave tankspot? is that why that bashee voice Alienna is doing the guides now? lol
IAmTheOwnageBiatch 11 months ago
Graphics looks good, but battle looks bit boring - reminds me a bit of LOTRO fights, not as complex as Wow raiding, tho I understand this game is very new and WoW raids in the beginning weren't as complex as now. However, doesn't look like anyone took any damage in this raid, I don't know, healing this put one to sleep? I'm sure there is some challenge healing in it that I don't see. However, I've not tried this game, so it's simply a first impression, I'm sure it's a great game :)
dladymuse 11 months ago
damn you ciderhelm...your videos have compelled me to get this game!!! this and league of legends :D
saiyaman81 11 months ago
Boringly simple fight with little consequence for messing up. Was waiting to see end game Rift before deciding on it but this just looks horrible.
iweartophots 11 months ago
@iweartophots did you see end game wow... because molten core was fun bosses right?
Dasconscripts 11 months ago
@Dasconscripts I saw Molten Core. It had more complex fights than this. If the defense of Rift's end game is that it is as good as WoWs 5 years ago I'll pass on the game.
iweartophots 11 months ago
@Dasconscripts in all fairness WoW did have some fun places. I quit before cataclysm came out but i'll always remember places like karazhan and ulduar. i haven't played rift nor have i really cared enough to follow what it's like but i do hear good things about it from people who don't compare it to WoW.
TapeofScotch 11 months ago
@TapeofScotch Oh no dont get me wrong, I LOVED some raids in wow, but the release content in wow was terrible, it wasnt until 1.1 that there was a raid, this game has end game content, constantly.
Not to mention there are no addons in this game so things that LOOK easy are not in any way easy, nothing to tell you, MOVE YOU HAVE A BOMB UNDER YOU HERP DERP DERP
Dasconscripts 11 months ago 9
@Dasconscripts I'll give you that. Besides I do realize this game is very new so I wouldn't be surprised if this game became really good in a few years provided it doesn't become the next Age of Conan aka a bunch of people from WoW quit to play it and argue it's the best game ever and then it just crashes because the game ultimately sucked.
TapeofScotch 11 months ago
@iweartophots there is no DBM or bigwigs to raid for you in this game, thats the difference.
Denmarkpwns 11 months ago
fail game
the13fighter 11 months ago
@the13fighter fuck off, wow fan kid
96Hayes 11 months ago
THIS GAME IS NOTHING
WORLD OF WARCRAFT IS EVERYTHING!
YEAH! I SAID IT!
bluebearh3 11 months ago
@bluebearh3 You could be right money wise blizzard is a billion dollar company But WOW isnt much a game and little money is now being put to it, a expansion of CATA was far less then you may think. Most was just reused areas with just some reskinning. As a programer I almost fell over how cheap cata was and so little effort. NOW with SC2 TITAN and D3 WOW is slowly getting less and less money spent into it as the rehash of old instances as NEW ones... lol WOW = money but little else
Docthewrench 11 months ago
@Docthewrench suck my balls, fat geek
bluebearh3 11 months ago
@bluebearh3 lol little fanboy, fucking unmature
lobbiester 11 months ago
@lobbiester No u! I just turned 18yo motherfucker !
bluebearh3 11 months ago
@bluebearh3 Yeah right, you wish you had.. and let's say you had, you're a disgrace to society
lobbiester 11 months ago
@lobbiester ey bitch, 4real im 18, and I bet my dick is twice the size of yours
bluebearh3 11 months ago
@bluebearh3 Lol, soo tough.. fucking immature keyboard warriors
lobbiester 11 months ago
@bluebearh3 Sorry i am not into kids. 1 its illegal and 2 just never been attracted to young little boys like you. I suggest talking to your mom, which is a good chance I once plowed her, I screwed a lot of Ho bags in the 70s,80s and 90s..from all over the world so many whores I dumped my load into when i was traveling the world. But ask you mom why you want older men to be with you. It is a sickness and tell your mom I said hi, I think she went by Slutbag ..I recall that from her.
Docthewrench 11 months ago
@Docthewrench Are you my father ?
bluebearh3 11 months ago
@Anton9509 Clearly, that's why you only need 3-4 healers for this fight. A normal 10m in Cataclysm requires 3, with the exception of Baradin Hold.
St3ph3nVsU 11 months ago
So glad I didn't buy rift... looks like a borefest.
semune 11 months ago
Wait, wut? Theres trolls here? Unpossible! /gets a youtube comment filter
medarrow1 11 months ago
this game look alot like this other one.....cant put my finger on it though...hmmmm
Reantris 11 months ago
@Reantris Oh yeah i know what you mean its the other game where a group of people fuck your mom. Good eye ;)
xWalKerz 11 months ago
really.......I aint a rift player.......I just watch this for the joy of it
keep the good work:)
heartattackful 11 months ago 10
I fail to see how this is a WoW killer.
xXAd4MXx 11 months ago 2
Ciderhelm have you stopt playing wow?
lillejokke 11 months ago
Tbh I would never expect strong raiding mechanics/encounters at release of an MMO or at least until a new patch comes out. Just remember when WoW first came out compared to now it was extremely limited and basic especially on classes.
psycho6776 11 months ago
rift looks boring as fuck
Lessien881 11 months ago
I don't pve raid myself but it's interesting to see the mechanics being brought into these encounters.
Rozedak 11 months ago
excuse me,what's the name of the game?
FanOmbladon 11 months ago
@FanOmbladon rift :P
xGeeG 11 months ago
@FanOmbladon Rift
MRXylo 11 months ago
Ciderhelm's Guide to Infiltrator Johlen (Rift, Greenscale's Blight) <---- look at the last part of the title. Rift = game Greenscales blight = raid instance
MRXylo 11 months ago
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hmm enrage timer dps fights having to watch for something and raiding sounds like wow to me RIFT SUCKS its a wow clone LOL@RIFT FAGGOTS
gatorboy124 11 months ago
@gatorboy124 i have played both and honestly raiding in wow is better but the overall gameplay for rift blows wow out of the way, lvling is actually fun in rift, in wow its just annoying
TEXANMTB 11 months ago
@TEXANMTB The games been out for like a month, imagine this in 7 years..
lobbiester 11 months ago
@gatorboy124 lol fanboy
psycho6776 11 months ago
@gatorboy124 Get your fucking brain working or go kill yourself, this is not a "copy" of wow seeing as wow was not even the first of it's kind, besides Rift' has taken wow and improved upon it... you just got your head stuck too far up your ass to see it
lobbiester 11 months ago
pvp is so bad in this game
chips1110 11 months ago
So are you guys Rift full time now or are you still playing WoW?
oh and lol @ Thelvyn 8D
Feydakin8 11 months ago
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I'm thinking of getting Rift, but these raid bosses look SO boring...I think WoW has more interesting raid boss mechanics.
oOoIIoOo 11 months ago 41
@oOoIIoOo Indeed
bempa93 11 months ago
@oOoIIoOo Videos always make encounters look less interesting. This fight was much more intense then it looks. As are all the Rift fights.
bluedot74 11 months ago
@oOoIIoOo Yeah well vanilla WoW boss mechanics weren't complex either.
Thillonoz 11 months ago
@Thillonoz maybe cause it was several years old and this game is brand new.
felix123123 11 months ago
@felix123123 You have to look at this game as vanilla WoW in many aspects. The only reason WoW is at it's place today (especially regarding boss mechanics) is community input and developers/designers growth, nothing else. Rift is Trion Worlds first MMORPG, it's only been out for weeks. Stop being a fanboy.
Thillonoz 11 months ago
@oOoIIoOo I'm sure its been said, but honestly you can't exactly judge this game too hard unless you've played it honestly. There are region wide raids for christs sake!
dustink50 11 months ago
@oOoIIoOo because the first raid bosses when WoW originally came out were so much more.... oh wait.
Dreamheal 11 months ago
@oOoIIoOo Game is like a month old, wow is 7 years.. wow has had so much time to improve, and trust me when i say this, when wow came out it's raiding sucked penis
lobbiester 11 months ago
@oOoIIoOo
Raid bosses and Expert dungeon bosses are actually interesting and challenging.
d3st88 11 months ago
@oOoIIoOo i really agree and look at his fuckign rotation... he presses 2 3 then 3 once and repeats EVERSINGLE TIME his energy bar never went bellow 50% even when the boss wasent attacking him and he barely had to do any movement i meen come on this should be a fucking heroic... no thanks i rather stick to my prot warr and ill just come by to hear his voice
Kadazik 11 months ago
@oOoIIoOo Molten Core had crappy mechanics as well.
Cl3ver 11 months ago
@oOoIIoOo I'd have to agree that lately wow is definitely more interesting, but keep in mind that it has been around for almost 7 years now. Rift will catch up to the awesome in a little while.
xCpTsPaRkLZx 11 months ago
@oOoIIoOo its still early game yet, early on in vanilla wow the boss fights were very simple, and got more complicated as blizzard got a better handle on raid mechanics, etc. They only became these complicated multi task fights in WotLK, where they lost a lot of difficulty due to the fact that they had to balance out the difficulty and the multitasking. WoW raiding is far from perfect, so far rift seems to have done a decent effort. Only time will tell I guess
pkm54 11 months ago
@pkm54 I was thinking that as well. I'm sure Rift will get more interesting over time. They did a really great job at creating a new MMO that takes advantage of what blizzard has learned over time from WoW. My point was that raiding content isn't a selling point for me so far. The class system is very interesting though.
oOoIIoOo 11 months ago
even so have you ever seen anything new after ulduar.... wow keeps getting crappier with every expansion even though BC was awesome WotLK was disappointing and cataclysm was even more of a "copy of the old stuff" and at least BC and WotLK had some real lore, in the real wow lore deathwing is a titan he is not supposed to die and we are killing him in a few months.
johnomonoia5 11 months ago
@johnomonoia5 I'm satisfied with current WoW raid and heroic content. they were a blast to get into and work on. sure they're getting old, but I feel they are more difficult (for the time) than anything short of Sunwell which has been arguable the most difficult raid instance ever released. at the start, Cata heroics and raid bosses were more unforgiving than the Lich King fight. I do agree that Naxx was a walk in the park, ToC was lame, and BC was my favorite time of raiding.
oOoIIoOo 11 months ago
@johnomonoia5 deathwing is not a titan, he never was. The titans appointed him as an aspect tho, a guardian of the world they created, same as the leaders of the other dragonflights. And RIFT is awesome :>
mgrimhammer 11 months ago
Why are all guild/raid leaders Americans with such awesome deep voices?
mlewack 11 months ago 32
@mlewack AMERICA FUCK YEAH
CONFLlCT 11 months ago
@mlewack Ciderhelms voice aint deep
joachimk93 11 months ago
@mlewack Cause it takes a real man to do what he does!
felix123123 11 months ago
@mlewack cider doesnt have a deep voice :P
TitanbrolyGilneas 11 months ago
@mlewack he not american he irish :)
jammyy06 11 months ago
@jammyy06 you sure about that?i hispanic but i was born in america...thus making me american.....he could be in that same boat as well
StDiablo1 11 months ago
@mlewack its one of the requirements.
irishpures 11 months ago
ew
PannaIka 11 months ago
Your WoW ui looks Crazy!
wllrunescape 11 months ago
So Cider... Given up on WoW Completely and playing RIFT Full time now?
I did play RIFT until level 20. Wish I had friends who played it, it was fun don't get me wrong but without friends I find MMO's boring XD.
MrBubbleKing 11 months ago
Really glad to see you do some more raid videos. Always enjoyed your videos. Guess your back to raiding again. Really sick of the trolls saying rift is ripping off wow. Guess they never heard of Ultimate online, Everquest, FFXI or any other mmo that blizzard wisely copied off of.
bmdshred77 11 months ago
these graphics are god awful
maksymalol 11 months ago
@maksymalol lol you blind.
espeon1 11 months ago
@maksymalol The graphics are fine, besides you can't judge it over a video on youtube
lobbiester 11 months ago
@lobbiester guess im just used too used to wow
maksymalol 11 months ago
That last bomb was a close one.
Livingkin 11 months ago
@Livingkin Ya we shat our pants a bit..
bluedot74 11 months ago
someone say not see 3 times fast =D
ilovehell666 11 months ago
@ilovehell666 Nutsy?
lobbiester 11 months ago
wait this isnt wow? looks exactly like it..
84467 11 months ago
@84467 LOL doesnt have gay cartoon graphics and lame ass orcs and trolls.
espeon1 11 months ago
@espeon1 ffs graphics don't make a game.
ShadowKid121 11 months ago 6
@ShadowKid121 oh boo hoo. I played wow for years and got sick of it's lame style, it was cool at first but become very boring.
espeon1 11 months ago
Love how my comment got 6 thumbs up neways :D
ShadowKid121 11 months ago
@espeon1 Orcs and Trolls are fucking bad ass, idk wtf your smoking. Graphics dont make a game, and WoW is original, everything else is either copying or using WoW's ideas. Fuck, people need to stop bashing wow. If you like rift, play rift, dont put down WoW, which Rift is very heavily influenced by...
LilithImmacualte 11 months ago
@LilithImmacualte YET, wow had been heavily influenced by games that had come out before it, so is it really as original as you have said? or is it the same as every other game in the genre, rift is only a copy of wow because wow came out first and so on, wow is seen as the Original game in the mmo community only because of its huge success
legalas00013 11 months ago
@legalas00013 WoW took the idea of a typical MMO, and executed it so well, that it made the entire game genre known to the world... So yes, i do still believe that WoW is one of the original MMO's simply because it took the idea of an MMO and... Perfected it, sort to speak. Dont get me wrong, Everquest and games like that came out before WoW, but i still believe that WoW executed the idea of an MMO better than its predecessor's, therefore, making it "original"
LilithImmacualte 11 months ago 3
@LilithImmacualte only thing original about WoW is it's storyline, The game concept and fight mechanics are all apart of the MMO genre back when EQ was the 1st and only original MMO other than Ultimate; I wouldn't include FFXI just for the simple fact that the way it just played out. Granted it was a MMO but it was in a world of it's own. But Rift to alot of people including myself is a Vintage Game brought back to life & brought up-to-date with today's Genre of MMO's. And that sir is Priceless
cgrigg75 11 months ago 23
@cgrigg75 Is RIFT really that much better than WoW? Ive never played Rift, ive just seen videos and it didnt really appeal to me as much as wow...
LilithImmacualte 11 months ago
@LilithImmacualte Let's just put it to you this way. I've been a gamer for over 26yrs Long before Blizzard was even thought of. Since the dawn of times; I've found my way into MMO's starting with Ultima & EQ1. Eventually it was FFXI then EQ2 then somewhere in all those crazy mixes was WoW. It amazed me to a point to where I wanted to quit FFXI because it had a wonderful background storyline interesting concepts and game mechanics were actually challenging. Was WoW a Clone of a previous MMO?
cgrigg75 11 months ago
@LilithImmacualte Was WoW a clone? Sure it was, It was a clone to an extent in terms of concept & playthrough. However it was also Evolution, It took a basic concept of an MMO & turned it into something Wonderful & unique. However; It's now been over 6 years for WoW; it's time has slowly come to a diminishing halt. With new content being re-explored & updated to unfold a storyline that eventually gets WoW players to The Emerald Dream Expansion in which will be either the next Xpac or one more.
cgrigg75 11 months ago
@LilithImmacualte The bottomline is this, WoW is doing what every person who has left it had feared. And That is turning the game into a Simple playstyle game re-designed for a younger audience rather than coming up with new content for the older community such as myself & many more like me, Only to prolong the inevitable. Blizzard claims to have a new MMO coming out. Taking the place of WoW? We'll just have to see. But your question was: Is Rift really that much better than WoW?
cgrigg75 11 months ago
@cgrigg75 Have you raided in WoW recently? Gone are the wrath days. Most content ( especialy heroic) is a real genuine challenge again.
Antifaith29 11 months ago
@Antifaith29 I'm still enlisted in a High Ranking guild on my server on Azuremyst. and yes I've raided some of the newer content on there for Cata..We didn't find it that hard considering we've all came from a long background of raiders.
cgrigg75 11 months ago
@LilithImmacualte In terms for the Older Community and generations to come? Yes Rift is a heck of alot better than WoW, Rift is Evolution at it's finest. Rift does have many simularities to WoW. Why? Well because it's a standard format of a UI. Not the Game itself. Do you think WoW was the 1st company to come up with Mage Spells or abilities for other classes? No, All these abilities you hear from both games date back all the way to Dungeons and Dragons. The actual Role Playing Game.
cgrigg75 11 months ago
@cgrigg75 Older community? Tbh i think you're in the honeymoon period. I play both games, i played eq way back when and was around for the begininngs of WoW. The community seemed a little older/better/whatever then too because it was SMALLER.
Rift is a great game but it's not breaking any ground , i'm personally kinda hovering between rift and wow while i wait for something new , SWTOR anyone?
Antifaith29 11 months ago
@LilithImmacualte Rift has it's own Storyline. Rift has it's own Races and Factions, While we can still talk to both factions that's an awesome thing. Rift has harder dungeons in terms of being a new MMO and comparing it to the Cata Dungeons in WoW. (example lvl 18 dungeon is harder than a lvl 85 normal). Bottom line is this. Rift is Evolution, Rift is the "NEXT-GEN" MMO. Rift is Polished. Without a shadow of a doubt, Rift is better. btw.. I haven't been back to my WoW account since Rift Beta.
cgrigg75 11 months ago
@cgrigg75 A vintage game in what respect? The fact that the executive producer could be considered "vintage" being that it's EQ's Scott Hartsman? Other than that, I see Vanguard written all over this thing. It's brought up to date by copying much of the mechanics you see now in WoW, so I don't see what you're referring to in that respect either.
I want to like it, but it's got too many of the programming flaws seen early on with Vanguard. Then again, they are using the same programmers too.
mmogbytes 11 months ago
@mmogbytes When referring to & I quote "it's a Vintage Game brought back to life" meaning it feels like EQ but has the gameplay mechanics of a Today's MMO. As for the Copying as you call it; It's using the same programming that MMO's have based their products off of for the Last 20 yrs. Bottom line is this, Some people are going to like it, others won't. However you never know what you're going to like until you give it a fair chance by actually playing it before you judge it. Btw What Flaws??
cgrigg75 11 months ago
@cgrigg75 I played RIFT so I guess that makes me just as qualified as anyone else here, right? I also played EQ but I don't see how RIFT resembles it. I'd say that yes, WoW copied a lot based off of EQ early on but after 6 years, survived mostly by taking it much farther on their own. However, I do think they screwed up on Cataclysm. The flaws I saw in RIFT are exactly what I saw in Vanguard's beta - coding problems they aren't going to admit. They didn't admit them in Vanguard either. cont'd.
mmogbytes 11 months ago
@cgrigg75 Sony picked out something like an announced 1,200 coding errors from Vanguard in ONE day. Now you see the same problems (older cards running better fps than new, memory leaks, etc) but you have the same programmers working on Telon instead of Telara and not too far of a name change there either. The hacks also concern me but the fact that botting still exists in WoW unchecked probably concerns me even more, especially when both companies were offered fixes to the prob & refused it.
mmogbytes 11 months ago
@mmogbytes You're comparing Sony's Vanguard to Trion's Rift. That's like comparing Frank Sinatra to Country music lol anyways if you don't have a link to back up your references then it's here-say. And if you've played EQ then you should know Rift resembles EQ in the fashion of the outside Raids but you knew that right? You're going to keep saying it's copied.. okay that's fine.. but honestly.. it's not copied.. It's Evolution, Next-Gen means just that. Taking something of old and making it new.
cgrigg75 11 months ago
@cgrigg75 RIFT is nothing but a carryover of Sony CEO's and Vanguard's programmers. Why don't you do some homework before you call everything I stated as nothing but hearsay. You can't post links on YouTube for the record. I have done my homework and you've done nothing but demand clarifications and then when you get the answers you demanded, you decide it's not in your agenda to believe them.
Believe whatever you want, cgrigg. Nothing I wrote is untrue and you've yet to prove it was.
mmogbytes 11 months ago
@mmogbytes Hackers and Leaks are everywhere. You're not going to gewt away from that. However since I've been playing There has been a significant decrease in all the GoldFarmers & Hacks. Most of the time Hackers are caused from Operator Malfunction. Meaning; It's you're own fault if you get hacked. You shouldn't be visiting sites that will have key-loggers. Bots are going to be around until they can come up with some more security. For now tho they have a Key-Lock, authenticator, & P/W feature.
cgrigg75 11 months ago
@cgrigg75 Save your "how to not get keylogged" speech and go write it over on the Trion forums. They are the ones all crying over being hacked, not me. I've never been hacked.
PS: You're very ignorant about bots, too.
mmogbytes 11 months ago
@mmogbytes You can post a link just not in a link form. And the programmers at Trion come from all different types of past MMO's not just Sony. I'm not denying you're right I'm only stating that they come from different places not just Sony. Here follow this link gaisciochnaanu. com/tavern/10592/ This will tell you everything thus far. And It's a good looking line up. You may think it may not be due to past games that either has diminished in time or hasn't succeeded like WoW.
cgrigg75 11 months ago
@mmogbytes am I ignorant about bots? Bots are software apps that run automated tasks over the Internet; performing tasks that are both simple & structurally repetitive, at a much higher rate than would be possible for a human alone. BOT is a malicious program w/ the purpose of fraudulent use of computer. Once your computer is infected w/ BOT, the malicious attacker remotely controls your computer from the external. So which definintion did u want? I am very well informed ty.
cgrigg75 11 months ago
@cgrigg75 also to add to this, the bottom line is this, As I stated in a previous post; Some people are going to like it, Some will not. You obviously don't like it and I obviously do. So we have our differences but that's ok cuz We still both like WoW? I like it for it's storyline and cartoony looks. And that's ok. You have your own reason's I'm sure. This is not a forums post and I'm not going to change it into one. Good work on the Video Cider I look forward to seeing more.Thanks for the UL.
cgrigg75 11 months ago
@cgrigg75 Apparently you've forgotten Asheron's Call. Being an EQ player, I'm not surprised. Never the less, it did come out the same year as Everquest, and was probably the best MMO of all time. The dynamic of the current MMOs are cookie cutter and built for wide acceptance, and the Role Playing aspect of these games lacks because of it.
You're right, too. The concepts are based from EQ.
mazion444 4 months ago
do you plan to play guild wars 2, ciderhelm?
DoumaFighter 11 months ago
wish i had a better pc to play games like these... :(
ufrao98 11 months ago
@ufrao98 wishes come true sometimes :D <3
FenrirPulse 11 months ago
@ufrao98 me too my friend :(.
no0bbbb 11 months ago
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ufrao98 11 months ago
Really hope more people move to this game, having a blast atm :)
Cruciatum 11 months ago
Will Rift videos stay on your channel or will they end up in the Tankspot/zam thing too?
Wranid 11 months ago
@Wranid Well since this isn't tankspot content, i would assume no
ImitationNation4 11 months ago
I miss these videos with the awesome music in the background. Always relaxes me to watch them.
D1LWEED 11 months ago
SECOND!
leaf732 11 months ago
Oh my god. A video on Ciderhelm.
TheILMadeKnight 11 months ago