Thane Heins Perepiteia device demo to Ottawa Skeptics group

[dljc1979]

none of this is new, i've seen more than a few free-energy devices being made and operated, made some myself, i know people who run their homes on free energy!!! fucking tesla started it all!!! POLITICS STOPS ADVANCES BECAUSE PEOPLE WITH POWER DON'T LIKE BEING MADE TO LOOK STUPID, IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

[wingdig]

OK, I'm just an electrician, but what I have to see is energy in (watts) and work done or energy out - show me them meters! I also don't get the length of the magnetic circuit? all the way from the magnetic generator to the motor?? these flux lines are suppose to be a loop, will be as short as possible and diminish the longer or more resistance is in the circuit... this I just can't get, but ideas that break the known universe will stump simple minds like mine... keep up the work and show us...

[blackettband]

Well, it's been three years now since Thane first got his 15 minutes of fame with the 'stumping' of the MIT professor. He still hasn't put Exxon out of business. He still hasn't even shown that any energy is generated. He is still probably 'stumping' the occasional person. But - if this worked - he would be ruling the world. In another 3 years I'll bet we will have forgotten about this failure and people will instead be raving about the next amazing device... that doesn't work.

[boys0fsummer1]

After all, scientists are often wrong in their theories about the universe.

Inventors should not limit themselves to what science says is possible. If Guglielmo Marconi had listened to the scientists of his day, he would have known that it is "IMPOSSIBLE" for wireless telegraphy to be sent around the Earth's curvature. see spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/tech­-careers/engineering-is-not-sc­ience

[jeebersjumpincryst]

@boys0fsummer1 Yes - fair comment and point taken.

I dunno tho.... I just cant see the overunity avenue ever working out - I know thats the classic "argument from personal incredulity" and is therefore not any sort of argument, but thats where my money is - I REALLY hope Im pleasantly surprised one day though.

No-one has yet demonstrated overunity.

I too desperately hope something new is discovered - that or the casimir effect gets harnessed.... :/

[jeebersjumpincryst]

i see the randi paranormal $1000000 challenge prize has still yet to be claimed... skeptics 1 pseudoscience 0  is anyone actually surprised?!

[boys0fsummer1]

@jeebersjumpincryst

But randi is a skeptic. Surely he is not a fair judge of a hypothetical skeptic vs "pseudoscience" debate? Conflict of interest perhaps?

[jeebersjumpincryst]

@boys0fsummer1 Hi - wow, I'd forgotten bout this, and comment too. Re: Randi judging? Depends what you are referring to here - this claim and claimed evidence of overunity - ie - more energy out than goes in. Anyone could judge that, as it would be measurable; observable - ie - yes/no, on/off, there/not there. But you do mention/ask if he's a fair judge of a "debate". Quite right - he would not be a fair judge of a debate, though I do think he'd be very fair. But the challenge is not a(cont'd)->

[jeebersjumpincryst]

@boys0fsummer1 (cont'd from below).... not a debate win or loss - that big cash prize is for EVIDENCE of a wacky claim - ie - successful, repeatable: dowsing; mindreading; levitating; a caged reptoid, the list goes on, and in this case, more energy coming out of the system than is being put in. (losses accounted for, of course) It's easily measurable with a voltage/ammeter at each "end" of the system. Minimal knowledge of physics will tell one why this is not possible. I wish it was though...

[boys0fsummer1]

@jeebersjumpincryst

I agree that an extraordinary claim like a violation of one of the laws of thermodynamics would require extra-ordinary evidence. I am no scientist, but a look at the history of science would encourage us to remember that scientific theories are merely the best (meaning most popular) explanation of the world. They are not necessarily correct. If we let scientific theories tell us x is possible, we may be limiting ourselves. (continued)

[kapwns]

for those who find the description lacking, thane heins perepiteia device is a purported perpetual motion generator developed by the Canadian inventor Thane Heins.

the ottawa skeptics are skeptic group based in canada, and host a great podcast called The Reality Check.

[henrykay01]

I invented a breakthrough source of energy that violates the law of conservation of energy. I have a PROOF that there are phenomena which violate the law of conservation of energy. I am looking for $6M for a prototype and patents.

H. Tomasz Grzybowski

tel. +48-512-933-540

[kapwns]

@henrykay01 lol more likely you're looking for foolish investor money.

while i can't offer $6M, i know James Randi would gladly award you a million dollars and of several other organizations offering money, if you can simply prove your outrageous claim.

[henrykay01]

@kapwns I have a theoretical proof, I can send it to you - my e-mail address is in my contact box. Also, recently I got a new idea - now the prototype can be made for $30k.

[kapwns]

@henrykay01 i doubt i have the expertise to properly investigate, regardless, even if i did, proving it to me doesn't help either of us. this is why i suggested you take your proof to one of the many organizations offering money for proof of such claims, or at the very least, to be investigated by the scientific community. it is in your best interests to do this, whether you seek to profit or not.

until you do so i am perfectly justified in my skepticism, the empirical evidence is on my side

[henrykay01]

@kapwns Top physicists knew since the end of 19th century that it is possible to violate the law of energy conservation. But they are a bunch of liars and they know that their task is to defend the intersts of the fuel/energy complex. Relativity theory is completely false and contradicts itself, but it defends the law of energy conservation, so it has been made the most famous physical theory.

[kapwns]

@henrykay01 ah, while engineering isn't my expertise i certainly have a firm grasp of relativity and of physics.

can you provide proof of these claims? i find it hard to believe that the thousands of scientists that have studied these subjects, are all simply willing to keep quiet.

i'm most intrigued to hear how general relativity contradicts itself or is completely false. please demonstrate, i'm open to hearing you out, i'll take any excuse to discuss one of my fav subjects =p

[henrykay01]

@kapwns You have to send me an e-mail asking about (special) relativity - my e-mail address is in my contact box. General relativity is also completely false, but I do not have my arguments written in English. So I can send you proofs that special relativity is false and self-contradictory.

[kapwns]

@henrykay01 it can't be, completely, false as it does make accurate predictions and account for many observed phenomena. i'll pm you with my email address.

[henrykay01]

@kapwns These are lies. These phenomena do not occur. E.g. consider current flowing in a wire. According to relativity, in the frame of reference of the electrons there are shorter distances between ions of the crystalline lattice of the metal so it contaradicts the constant number of ions per electron. This proves that there is no Lorentz contraction.

[henrykay01]

@kapwns Out of thousands of scientists studying relativity only very few understand that it contradicts itself. People who are honest and interested in physics are manipulated to study something else (I studied chemistry and mathematics before I became free to deal with physics).

[kapwns]

@henrykay01 you can understand why i think thats hard to believe right? thousands of scientists all willingly give up the possibility to substantially elevate the progress of mankind and their own careers, thru simple persuasion jus to appease "big energy"? and the only evidence you put forward to support this conspiratorial claim is anecdotal.

i don't know about you, but i certainly wouldn't be able to be "manipulated" out of such an area of research.

[henrykay01]

@kapwns Eventually I came back to it. But when in high school, I won an international competition in chemistry and then I started studying chemistry at a university. Then I thought mathematics would enable me to understand quantum mechanics and I switched to studying mathematics.

[holycatsbatman]

I have no idea what this is supposed to demonstrate.

[AMPentatonic1975]

Where do you plug the guitar in?

[radiotoobs]

Is that a Flux capacitor at the bottom center of the screen I see ???

It's No wonder then !!!!

[pageygeeza]

I NEED to get in touch with this guy!! I've been toying with the same idea as him for a few years now. But I think I have a better/more simple system than him.

[pitbike2006]

hi hoep you can help what can i use to comtrole the speed for a AC motor thanks

[abmz1970]

wow!! that is great work guys looking foward to learn more

[pitbike2006]

hi hope you can help me just wanted to know what can i use to controle the speed of a AC motor thanks

[metalminded]

great switching!

[pitbike2006]

hi hope you can help me just wanted to know what can i use to controle the speed of a AC motor thanks

[ToadHypno]

That gear is the leftover parts from Marty McFlys guitar amp! I wouid recognize that volume knob any where...

[camaro44]

it'd be cool if you explained what was going on...looks interesting but all i can see is lots of switch flipping. good work though, i'm sure it is cool.