Public Option Makes a Comeback

[Trollmaster21]

If passing the health care public option is going to doom the Democrat party in the 2010 elections,? then every Republican should do whatever they can to get the public option passed this way. Go sign the petition and help pressure Dems to? pass this. Go to

wewantthepublicoption

dotcom

and help out. Because if the public option is not passed, then that means less GOP seats will gain in 2010, and why would any Republican want that?

[megarational]

So you want to kick seniors off Medicare? After all that's gov't in their lives. Want to disband the military (another gov't run operation)? How about scrapping health and safety regulations and workers compensation, since those are just more gov't interference with the free market. NOBODY wants "big gov't., but most people support gov't run military, and now the majority want gov't to intervene to offer a gov't run HC insurance plan, since so many can't get or can't afford private insurance.

[chattingcat]

They are such liars. We KNOW we cannot trust a word they say. They'll get this public option in one way or another. They're not listening to us. They are liars and crooks. We need to clean the majority of them out and start over.

[louis12346]

OMG! Ozoma is Bush

[chattingcat]

OMG! louis12346 is stupid

[megarational]

They ARE listening: to the two-thirds of Americans that, according to latest polls, want the public option.

Though luck Tea-Baggers. The government may actually be listening to the public instead of your shrill screaming.

[chattingcat]

The "two-thirds" number is misleading but the bots have to grasp at any straw they think they can find. The lefties always play word games. Americans overwhelmingly DO NOT want the public option. It's hilarious how Canadians are experts on what Americans should do and think they need to throw their 2 cents in. It's none of your damn business. Keep your crappy health care system to yourselves. We don't want it here.

[megarational]

"Americans overwhelmingly DO NOT want the public option" Really?

Oct. 20 Wahington Post: 57 percent of all Americans now favor a public insurance option,,,Support has risen since mid-August, when a bare majority, 52 percent, said they favored it.

Oct 19 ABC News:  But 57 percent support one of the plan's most contentious elements, a government-sponsored insurance option, and that soars to 76 percent if it's limited to those who can't get affordable private insurance.

[chattingcat]

Word games and polls. You can find a poll to support any position you want to take. I LIVE HERE. Americans DO NOT want obambi's socialism or socialized medicine.

[megarational]

I'm calling you on that. Cite one recent poll from any reputable source that reflects anything other than majority support for the public option.

[USAPatriot1966]

I suspect that people of your ilk are responsible for the intolerance, racism, violence, and graffiti tha is becoming

IT ALREADY HERE! The left is great at perpetuating it. Look at districts that are predominately minority raced and represented by a democrat.

I am from NY originally so I know first hand.

[ClassicFIHD]

You do know the ABC polled 63% democrats to 37% republicans. That puts and error factor of the 57 percent at 26.

[megarational]

Since you didn't use name calling or sarcasm I will assume that you are trying to have a rational debate. According to the poll information it was "a RANDOM national sample of 1,007 adults, including users of conventional and cellular telephones. Results have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points." If you understand statistical theory you will put more faith in the predictive value of random sampling.

[ClassicFIHD]

So how is it that with a 26% skew in the favor ot the democrats be in the margin of three percentage points? And how many seniors do you know have cell phones? How many low income people have cell phones? These are two groups that will be affected and yet they are not polled. And Yes I do understand statistical theory very well. And it can easily be skewed. And since I don't think there are 13% more democrats that republicansin the US. Polling location? Age groups? Income level?

[megarational]

All the seniors I know have phones whether or not they are cellular phones, so that concern should not affect poll results.

With respect to lower income people not having phones: the survey found that those without HC insurance were far more likely to favor a public option. Therefor if a greater number of lower income people were included in the poll the results would show an even higher percentage favoring the public option.

[ClassicFIHD]

watch?v=QPh85FsOkpc

[ClassicFIHD]

"so that concern should not affect poll results" So you are saying that it's acceptable the people most affected should not be part of a poll because of modern technology, i.e a flaw in the polling method?

[megarational]

No, it means that seniors would not have been excluded from the sample due to lack of a phone, because they do have a phone, whether or not it's a cell phone.  I can't see how anyone could misinterpret that.

[megarational]

"Americans DO NOT want the public option". Really? Oct 19 ABC News: But 57 percent support one of the plan's most contentious elements, a government-sponsored insurance option, and that soars to 76 percent if it's limited to those who can't get affordable private insurance.

Poll results were also in the Washington Post and other newspapers, and repeated daily on CNN. Chattingcat should be ashamed that a Canadian knows more about what's going in the US that he/she does.

[chattingcat]

Americans do not want socialized medicine. Keep your crappy health care in Canada. CNN, yes, that explains it. lol... How were the questions asked? Who were asked the questions? How many socialists were sampled as opposed to others? You know nothing about how the "polling" is done. The self-proclaimed know-it-all Canadian PRETENDS to know what's going on. You DON'T live here. DON'T tell me what YOU THINK is going on here. You DON'T have a clue, most especially if your source is CNN!

[megarational]

Info from WP website: Washington Post surveys (like most such surveys) are conducted nationwide. Must be over 18 & have a phone. Selection is through a process known as Random Digit Dialing, from a computer generated list of working area codes. Where possible the same questions are asked on successive polls to better track public opinion. Questions must meet specific polling standards. More iinfo. and actual questions asked on any particular poll is available on line.

[chattingcat]

Those may be the published "ideals" that leftists so love, but that's not the reality. Many pollsters even admit oversampling leftists, so it's all BS.

[megarational]

If there are more Democrats in the country, a random sample will include more Democrats. That's not bias. That's probability theory, or the mathematical laws of probability. Yet another thing you don't seem to understand.

[chattingcat]

;);)

[USAPatriot1966]

ABC's John Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan

watch?v=q9GMKK_fWKg

[ClassicFIHD]

FYI, John Stossel is now with FOX. Guess ABC got fed up with the truth.

[USAPatriot1966]

That's what I figured. LOL

[ClassicFIHD]

The Washinton Post asked: "Would you support or oppose having the government create a new health insurance plan to compete with private health insurance plans? Do you feel that way strongly or somewhat". Funny how they did not use the word PUBLIC OPTION in ther question. Kinka like asking about an Assault Weapons ban and never mention all the guns listed are only semi-automatic guns and there are no Assault Guns on the list.

[megarational]

The public option IS a government run insurance plan to compete with private insurance. By using the correct description they got an accurate response. If they had used the term PUBLIC OPTION some respondents would have thought it meant "gov't run health care" or a "gov't takeover of the health care industry, since so much Republican and Insurance co;'s propaganda has been devoted trying to convince people that that's what the public option is.

[ClassicFIHD]

How can a private enterprise compete again an entity that has no liabilities? The gov't can set any price they want as cost overrun will be paid for by tax payers and they can't be sued. If the PUBLIC OPTION passes it will be in time gov't run health care.

[megarational]

A reasonable question asked in a reasonable manner. The fact is that some form of public option exists in every other advanced nation, and it has not destroyed private insurance in any of them. In Canada, for example, there is still a healthy PHC industry offering supplementary insurance and "Cadillac" plans. Even Canada, which introduced UHC in 1945 still has a universal HC financing system, not "gov't run health care. Doctors are still private, & would resist any efforts to change that.

[ClassicFIHD]

What form? Seems that's half the problem. Why do Canadians come to America? Why did Liam Neeson's wife die because they didn't have a helicopter? What about their town lotteries or long lines just to register to get a dental visit with a doctor?

[megarational]

In Canada triage is on the basis of how serious the medical condition is. Since Canada also needs more doctors many elective surgeries have met with increasing wait times. (Politicians are under fire to reduce wait times.) Wealthy people sometimes prefer to jump the que by going to the US for an operation. Two points: if you need a life saving operation right away, in Canada you get it right away. As health care premiums skyrocket in the US, more and more Americans are also going abroad for HC.

[megarational]

Dentistry is not covered under UHC.

There are no town lotteries or long lines to see a Doctor in any of the Canadian cities I've lived in. I just went to a walk-in clinic last week (arthritis). Even without an appointment I waited only 45 minutes b4 seeing a doctor. Don't know about you, but I don't mind waiting a little longer if I don't have to worry about a large medical bill.

[ClassicFIHD]

Did you watch the video link I gave you?

Are you saying that's all lies?

[megarational]

Yes I did. If using cherry-picked anecdotes, grossly exaggerating problems while ignoring massive advantages, and outright deception constitute lying then yes that whole video is a lie.

eg: patent laws, not private HC insurance premiums, are the main factor in determining profitability of new drug discoveries. .

Contrary to what that video suggests, nothing in the reforms or the public option would change the US system into that of Canada's or Great Britain's.

[megarational]

If your want to get some idea of how real Canadians cherish their health care system maybe you have some way of checking the huge volume of "letters to editor" in the Edmonton Journal newspaper over the past year.Edmonton is the capital of the prov of

Alberta and the issue has been a hot one, since a conservative government has been trying to balance the budget by removing some of the health care costs from government books by forcing more people into private insurance.

[megarational]

Bottom line: recognize a propaganda video for being exactly that.

Using testimonials from "real" people is standard info-mercial practice.

[ClassicFIHD]

So where is your side's "real" people propaganda?

[megarational]

wikipedia: a 2009 poll by Nanos Research: 86.2% of Canadians surveyed supported or strongly supported "public solutions to health care..."

2009 Harris/Decima poll: 82% of Canadians preferred their healthcare system to the one in the United States, more than ten times as many as the 8% stating a preference for a US-style health care system...

2008 Strategic Counsel survey" 91% of Canadians preferring their healthcare system to that of the U.S.

News flash - they polled "real Canadians." canadians

[ClassicFIHD]

And how many of these people polled know anything about the U.S.'s Healthcare System? And anytime something seems free people will love it. However the U.S. and Canada does not have the same healt issues. They have already siad this U.S. plan will cost 1.4 trillion dollars. We have other solutions that should be tried first. There are over 1500 Heath Insurance Companies in the U.S. and the people that live in California are legally only allowed to use 6.

[USAPatriot1966]

Hey draft dodger boy Mr.Meganeutral! I see you blocked me.

I really hope this healthcare does not go through! I really hope the politicians see that their job will be in jepoardy in Nov-10. WE DO NOT WANT THE GOV"T IN OUR PRIVATE LIVES! GET IT?

HOPE & CHANGE, we sure are getting it up our arses.