must suck to fly in the US in terms of rest time, poor pilots probably on some hardcore fatigue and if they admit it, they'll probably just end up being fired.
That dumb broad,in the tower really knew her airfield. there is only taxiway kilo. It would not have been hard at all to figure out where the united flight actually was kpvd is a level 1,facility meaning easy
Comon first she says i can't see anything from the tower and then she tells the pilot where he is... Also he said a plane just took off in front of me. and she told him he wasnt in the active runway
Night = always harder to get around on the ground. Foggy? adds to the issue...Always, ALWAYS have an airport diagram with you for the airport. Have no idea what the ground signs looked like at Providence then (or now), but they are pretty standardized hard to make that "bravo" turn and miss the big RED 16-34 sign in fronto of you (or the 23R - 5 too). Extremely bad that the ground controller didn't process that "kilo" call a little better along with the "somebody took off" good call on USAir
Wow some Angel was watching over then along with some amazing common sense by that second pilot. I mean that controller cleared that pilot and everything that god one of em was thinking
@Northstander Yeah, I don't understand why the ATC still clears the other plane for takeoff. I can't imagine they don't have an airport map in front of them and know where the United plane must be when it reports taxiway K on the right.
@Northstander It is very worrying that she would clear them in the first place. This attitude of "if I didn't do anything wrong then it's not my problem" has no place up there. Thankfully the pilot had enough common sense to offset that, but it should not be this way.
folks, sorry. did you all "watch" the video and follow along with what the hell happened here? united 1448 SCREWED UP their taxi clearance, and Apparently,DID NOT LISTEN to the female controllers clear instructions to Taxi to NOVEMBER, then TANGO. we see the aircraft turn North on "off' November onto BRAVO?? is that what she said for the United AC to do? No. crew even Repeated it back, so, they GOT the correct instructions?? also sounds like they have 'accents. makes thing tougher
First problem with this is that the controller claimed she couldn't see anything. At airports the tower MUST be high enough so that the controllers can see the ends of all active runways. In some cases there might be a tip unseen but def not a main intersection like on the map. The only situation i could think of is it's severe IFR.
Fire the controller it has nothing to do with her genitals that's just plain stupid, even on a traffic channel if you doubt anything everything stops.
what a mess.....pilot didnt know where they were...controller didnt know where pilot was.....very dangerous if fed ex 1662 had a longer takeoff roll they would have collided
As a woman I agree about female controllers. Not that they aren't smart enough, I think it's a tone issue. There's something commanding about a males voice. Maybe I meant pitch, either way men have better voices for this sort of thing, just a fact.
@cinnamongirl3121 Yeah, but that's only because you are not lesbian (I suppose) ;). For men, female voices attract more attention, which is why the voice announcements in fighter planes are female. I don't know why civilian planes sometimes have male voices, but this is a psychological effect.
Oh right, one woman screws up so that negates any other womans ability to do the job...I wonder if your parents taught you to be sexist or if it's just natural for you :)
You'd think there weren't aircraft collisions before women were allowed to be controllers or pilots. Did any of the countless fatal accidents that happened back then occur because the people responsible were men? No, of course not, and neither does any that involve women, they pass the same tests and have the same qualifications. You shmucks.
Wow! First there are some fine female pilots with better stick and rudder skills than men so leave the gender out of it! Second I don't know the aircraft involved but the callsign tells me a commuter. What a mess. Thanks for sharing!
The key words here are when 1448 says they are "by KILO"; that should've raised all heads at ATC --and put on hold those taking off on 5R. Big blame on the United crew, and ATC should be more alert when they can't see the planes.
what a stupid woman that is.she should be fired as a traffic controller.she is not listening to anyone.as in the last when a pilot tell her that he is not geting anywere before this is solved.good pilot that he is not going anywere
@plane63 Well, no one knows who taxied the plane, and apparently the MALE pilot (we also don't know who is the caption and who the first officer) made the wrong announcement that they were on N although they were on B.
@mceyran Well, according to FAA regulations the Pilot in Command is directly responsible for the safe outcome of the flight, and as you said we do not know who was the PIC and/or who was taxiing the aircraft at the time of the incursion. However, we do know that there was a female air traffic controller who should've been busy at work in the kitchen but there is a chance one of the real controllers must have called in sick or something...
@plane63 So a male controller would have got this right? When he can't see nothing out of the window and there is no ground radar available, and when the pilot gives false information? Would your sexist statement also mean that all runway incursions happen because of women? Wanna see statistics? Wanna know about ATC working conditions? Wanna do the job yourself? Think about it. I also like my wife stay home, but you have to respect women that choose to work. You are really stone age.
@mceyran Would a male controller have got this right? Perhaps so! The controller made the mistake of clearing an aircraft for takeoff when there was a possibility that there was an aircraft on the active runway. I know about ATC working conditions, I'm a pilot and have a plethora of friend who are air traffic controllers. I actually minored in ATC through college. I don't have to respect women, I have free speech. Besides, it was a joke anyway, so calm down bud.
@mceyran Hahaha. There is a novel idea... they call it "humor". The dude is cracking a joke, about something that none of us hold true. It is a HAHA or a FUNNY or a JOKE. You have our permission to go ahead and take that block off your shoulder. There! That'll help ya! Now lets all go back to being one big happy Youtube family... lol
@plane63 i don't think you are right by all respect. in large airports and at 0.01 it says that it was foggy reducing the visibility causing this caos to happen. thank god no runway intervention hapened. i think RVR was reduced as well.
While there was error on the part of United 1448 and the tower, 1448 seems to have the greater fault, having made multiple errors, including initially misidentifying the runway they were sitting on as 23R! Of course, once 1448 correctly reports they're on 23L and the tower doesn't recognize that 23L and 5R are the same runway, that's pretty bad too. This seems like a classic case of multiple errors -- plus poor visibility -- leading to disaster, but luckily that didn't happen. Scary stuff!
@Appleshaz its not uncommon for no wind to be given on departure (hence listen to the ATIS). I spot at YMML quite often and dont recall ever hearing winds for departure unless asked for
hahah Terminal controllers.... hahahahahahah FEMALE terminal controllers hahahahahahahahah hilarious what a dumbass and its even worse you got a fucking chick in the cockpit too haha thats just asking for a collision
the fucking controller is let her anger and does not listen to the pilot tell her,. she should be fired. if not sooner or later she will cause an accident.
This is the way the industry is going. Airlines are paying pilots and controllers less and less, and the experience levels are getting worse. Just a sign of the times unfortunately.
yea I can tell this female atc is quite ticked that there was a problem. She gives her self away with her smartelic comment and attitude with the US Air pilot who was the only one that demonstrated professionalism and concern for a possible accident. She(ATC) also demonstrates her idiocy by stating "I can't see anything from the tower" and still clears the US Air plane for takeoff while she's being told repeatedly by United that they are near an active runway and "lost". Wow...what a true DITZ!
@BorisKnoT Exactly! And you know, if someone says they want to hold short and wait till things are sorted out for safety, why the heck would she reply like that? Dude's trying to keep his hundreds of passengers safe!
Howcome the controller doesnt realize whats going on when they say they just saw someone take off and then that they are on an active runway. They gave her the wrong runway number but jesus how do you not realize when they say they saw someone take off??
@crockett616: Howcome the controller doesnt realize whats going on ...
JM: She was obviously saturated and should find another line of work. She displayed no common sense at all. She was target fixated on getting USAir off the ground, even after United 1448 TOLD her they were on an active runway.
Actually, the person that talks on the radio is usually the copilot. The captain was the male, and he controls the aircraft on the taxiway. He was the one who made the wrong turn, but the wrong turn would have never happened if both pilots had properly verified the airport diagram like you are supposed to do.
WHY THE HELL WOULD THIS DUMBASS STOP ON AN ACTIVE RUNWAY? I DONT CARE WHAT A CONTROLLER SAYS, IM GETTING THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY OF DEPARTING PLANES........DUMBASSES. BOTH OF THEM.
Landmark425, you're a total moron if you think the controller is not at fault. Pilot reported he was on an active runway and sounded confused. She then ignores it and clears an aircraft for take off. Thats insane, especially in LVPs
Thats rather scary how confident the ATC was about United 1448s position. If that pilot would have taken off there would have been an accident. Luckily the pilots listen to whats going on around them and decided to hold. Great call on their part. Why that controller ASSUMED they were off the runway is deffinetly beyond me. Don't get me wrong ATC have one of the hardest jobs in the world and a skilled and trained pilot should know how to taxi properly. Communication is key!
@mikeshearwood why would she be to blame? She clearly gave them taxi instructions that would not bring them anywhere close to the active. But that dumb united bitch made a left onto Bravo. If anything the pilots should be calling a number (if they haven't already)
You can tell the ATC is on an ego-trip @ 2:16 when she clears USAir 2998 for take-off for a SECOND time despite United 1448's distress call. Even though USAir 2998 was interrupted by United 1448's distress call - the ATC should have made United 1448's interruption priority and tell USAir 2998 to hold position. The pilots of USAir 2998 deserve a medal!!!
Just for context - This happened in 1999 and since then KPVD has closed 23R (it is now a taxiway) and there is ground surveillance radar and a requirement to use transponders on the ground. That said - it makes a great lesson in Runway Incursion and Aeronautical Decision Making and is still used for this by AOPA.
Nice snotty attitude from the female controller even though she was trying to clear United 2998 to take off right into another plane. At that point, with all the conflicting position reports from USA1448, how could she be confident enough to clear another plane to takeoff? Hope at the very least she was sent for re-training.
Cheers to the United crew. They exemplify the hallmark of good piloting...safety is ultimately the responsibility of the pilot, not ATC. Good job guys.
Why has no one come up with an GPS advice for aircraft just like in cars but for taxiing ????. You just enter the airport code and then what taxi ways the atc tells you and gate/runway and the GPS guide you on the way if you need too or the weather is bad.
@Sooksawaspakdee961 Many modern aircraft have GPS sets as you suggest but many more do not. If you do not you can ask for a "progressive taxi" and the controller will talk you through the taxi one leg at a time - verifying where you are at the end of each leg of the taxi.
USAIRWAYS's callsign is "Cactus" since octobre '08 and the merge with America West. Before that, Cactus was America West callsign and US AIR was USAIRWAYS's callsign.
Watching this video I remembered the Tenerife airport disaster in 1977, it is almost the same situation, the only difference is that the KLM pilot decided to start rolling unlike USAir 2998, and of course the 583 lives lost.
I really hope the idiot in the tower lost her job after this, this could had been a disaster if not the US air pilots did what they did. The United pilot´s told her twice that they where on an active runway, first time when the fed ex plane swooped by but still this moron in the tower could not put pieces together and realize where United really was. Thank god for the US Air pilots that realized the situation.
Wow. When male pilots/atc make mistakes, you will never hear comments about how "men shouldn't do that work." There are plenty of good female pilots/atc. I don't have a problem with the people involved in this incident paying the consequence for their actions (ie being fired), but stop holding the entire gender accountable. It would be wrong to do to men, and it is wrong to do that to women.
@julesjones423 you miss the point, 1000s of men do this everyday.. 1 woman comes along and completely screws things up...not in this case.. in tons of cases. The job i do no woman does. Yet they gave me a woman boss!!!! .. instead of her asking me questions... she told me she could do my job for me!!!! Not in a million years could she do it... if she could she would...very crazy out there. Any woman who can do the job will get mad respect. Any woman who cant .. 5 minutes to figure out....
@singapore7773 I didn't understand a word you wrote other than you have a problem with a female who is in a position of authority over you that doesn't know how to do your job. I can relate. I've had a job with a woman who didn't know what she was doing tell me what to do. You know what I did? I found a better job. And unless your job is as a sperm donor, I doubt their aren't women in your field. You seemed to miss my point: If the man or woman fucks up, don't blame the whole gender.
@singapore7773 Also, there have been numerous ATC incidents (ie Cerritos in 1986 and 2003 in Switzerland) where a male completely screwed things up. Do you see anyone telling men to quit the ATC? No! And there are hundreds of women employed in ATC positions around the world. By your theory, there should be hundreds of accidents all the time, which there aren't. So go back to your cave in the stone age, and let the rest of us rise into the future.
"any woman who can do the job will get mad respect" did u not read that? my beef is with woman who just want the job and dont have a clue... like the MAN and WOMAN from the Continental crash in Buffalo recently...
Where in the hell did 1448 get Bravo from November what idiots. 23R is an active runway just going in the other direction and 1448 notified the controller where they were by reading the signs. The controller is an idiot. The controller should have known where that was, it is her airport she works there. Us air 2998 what smart people we have there they get whats goin on good job fellows. The only smart ones there.
Wow... Glad USAir 2998 was listening carefully to the conversation taking place... I can't really fault United 1448 because as a pilot myself, I know it can be very confusing taxing at an airport you're unfamiliar with, especially in the dark/fog! Mistakes happen and pilots get lost, its not a very big deal. But when the controller assumes she's right and the pilots wrong. And THEN directs the pilot onto an active runway. Thats when stuff happens. USAir 2998's smart thinking saved lives...
@QemeH Agree'd, but if its dark and foggy, and you missed a sign, you could easily become disoriented, even with a chart! He knew he wasn't in the correct place, just wasn't sure exactly where he was! Either way, glad that USAir pilot had the mind to think twice before throttling up!! :)
@Guydabest It's been 2 weeks since I posted that, and since then I've learned that not all do! It's just at that time I heard about that kind of radar
LOL Thermo........It is absolutly the towers fault. Obviously this airport has no ground radar so when a pilot out in the fog tells her what signs he is looking at, it`s her job to clue the fuck in and realize the plane made a wrong turn. The only mistake the plane made was to make a wrong turn, the controller told a plane too take off on a runway that another plane just TOLD her they were sitting on.....I wonder what she is doing these days lol
@mdo686 Erm, the aircraft taxied onto the runway without telling the controller, as they were to report crossing, and not hold short. They began to cross and saw K, which tipped them off that there was something wrong, and then the FDX goes by...
Well it's not all the towers fault, her job is to keep the runway active and moving. Things are on a very short time table. United 1448 is at fault. But the tower should have realized that 1448 made a wrong turn when they said "a plane just took off, we are on an active runway" I applaud everyone in the video for working together. But it was really US Air2998 who saved the day yes.
The hero here was US Air 2998. These are the people we should be celebrating for their smarts, not people like Sully. I bet nobody has ever heard of those pilots on Us Air 2998, however, in my opinion they just saved all the lives in those two aircraft. Good job guys.
It seems to me that both pilots on united 1448 and ATC lost situational awareness, it also appears to me that NO ONE bothered to examine the AIRPORT DIAGRAM @ the onset of United 1448's ambiguity as to their location... ATC seemed more concerned w/ clearing planes for takeoff and it seems that United 1448 completely disregarded IFR operations at the airport and NO ONE caught the fact that 16/ 23 does not match for runway hdg's !!! WTF!!??
I wonder why the United 1448 pilot first said, he's at runway 23R. I think this was conducive too, to confuse the tower. Additionally she didn't notice, that the pilot corrects to "23L" and that he was saying "somebody took off"
wow thank god for the wise usair pilot. the atc lady sux big time. also the united pilot should have used his map to figure out where he is. but still to me the atc lady should have known better when united mentioned that they passed KILO, but instead she get's bitchy and gives usair the take-off clearance. NOT GOOD
does anyone knows if that air traffic controller got fired, it's really a no brainer, you take decisions that jeopardize large amount of human lives you really shouldn't be seating in a control tower, this is not a game lady
I wonder why the ATC said she couldn't see anything from the tower even though it appears they were in full view of it on the plan?
Oh, and to all the sexist - presumably guys - out there - it takes 2 pilots to fly a plane, and I hear male pilots voices in those confused transmissions too...
giving a take off clearence. when a pilot report holding on active rwy. that lady nearly killed 300 people. or more. hope youre fired.
MrJimbos1974 1 week ago
must suck to fly in the US in terms of rest time, poor pilots probably on some hardcore fatigue and if they admit it, they'll probably just end up being fired.
phili878 1 week ago
Kudos to 2998.
ploneuk 3 weeks ago
Thank goodness no one got killed and that USAir 2998 did not takeoff.
beerbrewer737 4 weeks ago
@Ladiesman217n meaning only 1 taxiway kilo
Ladiesman217n 1 month ago
That dumb broad,in the tower really knew her airfield. there is only taxiway kilo. It would not have been hard at all to figure out where the united flight actually was kpvd is a level 1,facility meaning easy
Ladiesman217n 1 month ago
USAir 2998 is a really good pilot, i know 100 pilots that would take off in that situation...
psycopirla1 1 month ago 7
Crap! If the second plane would take off,, BAM!
afgrocks123 1 month ago
Comon first she says i can't see anything from the tower and then she tells the pilot where he is... Also he said a plane just took off in front of me. and she told him he wasnt in the active runway
mariodela 1 month ago
"We're just gonna stay clear of all runways" good idea
rolfen 1 month ago
ITS ONLY THAT BIG YELLOW SIGN THAT TELLS YOU WHERE TO GO
trechan 1 month ago
Jesus, put a freakin $100 Garmin GPS on the dash!
MrTdw1954 1 month ago
Night = always harder to get around on the ground. Foggy? adds to the issue...Always, ALWAYS have an airport diagram with you for the airport. Have no idea what the ground signs looked like at Providence then (or now), but they are pretty standardized hard to make that "bravo" turn and miss the big RED 16-34 sign in fronto of you (or the 23R - 5 too). Extremely bad that the ground controller didn't process that "kilo" call a little better along with the "somebody took off" good call on USAir
scottwoodland63 1 month ago
Thank*
Zaarour8 1 month ago
Wow some Angel was watching over then along with some amazing common sense by that second pilot. I mean that controller cleared that pilot and everything that god one of em was thinking
Zaarour8 1 month ago
This is a great example of how other pilots and pissed off ATC can mess up your day.
sweetsf4life 2 months ago
WTG USAir, awesome job rejecting the takeoff clearance.
av8rdav 2 months ago 3
that's why tower controllers must have a simple radar ...
jackop9111 2 months ago
@plane63
You got that right dude.
punaniexpert77 2 months ago
Common sense applied by the pilot cleared for take-off at the end, waiting until the tower had figured out what was going on!
Northstander 3 months ago 4
@Northstander Yeah, I don't understand why the ATC still clears the other plane for takeoff. I can't imagine they don't have an airport map in front of them and know where the United plane must be when it reports taxiway K on the right.
mceyran 1 month ago
@Northstander It is very worrying that she would clear them in the first place. This attitude of "if I didn't do anything wrong then it's not my problem" has no place up there. Thankfully the pilot had enough common sense to offset that, but it should not be this way.
rolfen 1 month ago
US2998 pilots are safe to fly with :)
neutrino741 3 months ago
folks, sorry. did you all "watch" the video and follow along with what the hell happened here? united 1448 SCREWED UP their taxi clearance, and Apparently,DID NOT LISTEN to the female controllers clear instructions to Taxi to NOVEMBER, then TANGO. we see the aircraft turn North on "off' November onto BRAVO?? is that what she said for the United AC to do? No. crew even Repeated it back, so, they GOT the correct instructions?? also sounds like they have 'accents. makes thing tougher
drumdude46 3 months ago 3
First problem with this is that the controller claimed she couldn't see anything. At airports the tower MUST be high enough so that the controllers can see the ends of all active runways. In some cases there might be a tip unseen but def not a main intersection like on the map. The only situation i could think of is it's severe IFR.
babytweeze85 3 months ago
@babytweeze85 this airport was solid imc.. there was less than 1/4m vis. she couldnt see the runways.
shaneboulds 2 months ago
'he's not anywhere near the runway..' didn't she also say i can't see anything from the tower? i hope she got a new job....
NIGHTEHAWK 3 months ago
Fire the controller it has nothing to do with her genitals that's just plain stupid, even on a traffic channel if you doubt anything everything stops.
DSchruteBeets 3 months ago
How the hell can she clear the second plane to takeoff even after united reported, that they are on an active runway. I mean, what the heck?
Thermikus 4 months ago
Women can't drive to the grocery store w/o asking for directions, WTF are people thinking, letting them fly a goddamn plane.
TinnInches 4 months ago
2998 wins the gold medal !
BTUvsCAL 4 months ago
Wow! The runway is wider then the tower.
Luciferminusone 4 months ago
what a mess.....pilot didnt know where they were...controller didnt know where pilot was.....very dangerous if fed ex 1662 had a longer takeoff roll they would have collided
wesker0900 4 months ago
@wesker0900 kinda Tenerife..!
SoloNetherlands 4 months ago
@wesker0900 tower started off very calm and cool. See how quickly she ramped up towards the end? Typical woman.
TinnInches 4 months ago
As a woman I agree about female controllers. Not that they aren't smart enough, I think it's a tone issue. There's something commanding about a males voice. Maybe I meant pitch, either way men have better voices for this sort of thing, just a fact.
cinnamongirl3121 4 months ago
@cinnamongirl3121 Yeah, but that's only because you are not lesbian (I suppose) ;). For men, female voices attract more attention, which is why the voice announcements in fighter planes are female. I don't know why civilian planes sometimes have male voices, but this is a psychological effect.
mceyran 1 month ago
Oh right, one woman screws up so that negates any other womans ability to do the job...I wonder if your parents taught you to be sexist or if it's just natural for you :)
Lisztman88 4 months ago
Sheesh, enough with the sexism you guys?
You'd think there weren't aircraft collisions before women were allowed to be controllers or pilots. Did any of the countless fatal accidents that happened back then occur because the people responsible were men? No, of course not, and neither does any that involve women, they pass the same tests and have the same qualifications. You shmucks.
reluctable 5 months ago 2
Wow! First there are some fine female pilots with better stick and rudder skills than men so leave the gender out of it! Second I don't know the aircraft involved but the callsign tells me a commuter. What a mess. Thanks for sharing!
mymbe430 5 months ago
@mymbe430 "United" tells you a commuter huh....interesting.
sargeanb 2 months ago
thats why women shouldnt do anything involving vehicles;)
DiamondPilotDan 5 months ago
Certainly a good learning experience for a student pilot...
chrisgast 5 months ago
Watch /watch?v=cofPH1y9vuw&NR=1 for the full version. There's a lot more chaos xD
iTheGeek 5 months ago
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Close call because of a woman.
truthsofwolf 6 months ago
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truthsofwolf 6 months ago
The key words here are when 1448 says they are "by KILO"; that should've raised all heads at ATC --and put on hold those taking off on 5R. Big blame on the United crew, and ATC should be more alert when they can't see the planes.
sajo2010 6 months ago
that atc woman is good, but the rest of em female creatures.. dont get out of your kitchen. you're just not born to do any other than that
AxCYeR 6 months ago
they cut a lot out of this clip....ive seen the unedited version and there is a lot more going on there.
beergut111 6 months ago
USa 2998 earned his wings today..
tshackel2000 6 months ago
@fwijnja in class C airspace and when the planes are IFR, it's the pilots fault the he did right was hold short of runway 5 right
Thekingswa747 7 months ago
Ng he did right was hold short of runway 5R
Thekingswa747 7 months ago
what a stupid woman that is.she should be fired as a traffic controller.she is not listening to anyone.as in the last when a pilot tell her that he is not geting anywere before this is solved.good pilot that he is not going anywere
fwijnja 7 months ago
This is why wigwags should be at ALLLLLL airports.
beatchildproductions 7 months ago
This is why we leave women for kitchen duty.
plane63 7 months ago 67
@plane63 nothing like a good sandwich every once in a while....
xracerfanx 4 months ago
@plane63 100 %
jackop9111 2 months ago
@plane63 Well, no one knows who taxied the plane, and apparently the MALE pilot (we also don't know who is the caption and who the first officer) made the wrong announcement that they were on N although they were on B.
mceyran 1 month ago
@mceyran Well, according to FAA regulations the Pilot in Command is directly responsible for the safe outcome of the flight, and as you said we do not know who was the PIC and/or who was taxiing the aircraft at the time of the incursion. However, we do know that there was a female air traffic controller who should've been busy at work in the kitchen but there is a chance one of the real controllers must have called in sick or something...
plane63 1 month ago
@plane63 So a male controller would have got this right? When he can't see nothing out of the window and there is no ground radar available, and when the pilot gives false information? Would your sexist statement also mean that all runway incursions happen because of women? Wanna see statistics? Wanna know about ATC working conditions? Wanna do the job yourself? Think about it. I also like my wife stay home, but you have to respect women that choose to work. You are really stone age.
mceyran 1 month ago
@mceyran Would a male controller have got this right? Perhaps so! The controller made the mistake of clearing an aircraft for takeoff when there was a possibility that there was an aircraft on the active runway. I know about ATC working conditions, I'm a pilot and have a plethora of friend who are air traffic controllers. I actually minored in ATC through college. I don't have to respect women, I have free speech. Besides, it was a joke anyway, so calm down bud.
plane63 1 month ago
@mceyran Hahaha. There is a novel idea... they call it "humor". The dude is cracking a joke, about something that none of us hold true. It is a HAHA or a FUNNY or a JOKE. You have our permission to go ahead and take that block off your shoulder. There! That'll help ya! Now lets all go back to being one big happy Youtube family... lol
Honest mistakes happen.
1. Pen
2. Paper
3. AIRPORT DIAGRAM
Use all 3 and you're golden. Am I right? =)
ScudRunnR 1 month ago
@plane63...that wasn't really nice, but I like it.
adalbertomodesusa 1 month ago
@adalbertomodesusa Agreed. Although, shooting Osama Bin Laden in the head wasn't very nice, I still liked it. A lot.
plane63 1 month ago
@plane63 i don't think you are right by all respect. in large airports and at 0.01 it says that it was foggy reducing the visibility causing this caos to happen. thank god no runway intervention hapened. i think RVR was reduced as well.
CaptainAirline 2 weeks ago
While there was error on the part of United 1448 and the tower, 1448 seems to have the greater fault, having made multiple errors, including initially misidentifying the runway they were sitting on as 23R! Of course, once 1448 correctly reports they're on 23L and the tower doesn't recognize that 23L and 5R are the same runway, that's pretty bad too. This seems like a classic case of multiple errors -- plus poor visibility -- leading to disaster, but luckily that didn't happen. Scary stuff!
GameShowGuy 7 months ago
respect for tha US Air 2998 pilots
and kill the bitch
MrArsen1983 7 months ago
respect for tha US Air 2998 pilots
MrArsen1983 7 months ago
She almost killed like 400 people total
overtaker3736 7 months ago
Shit that woman pisses the shit outta me.
overtaker3736 7 months ago 2
@Appleshaz its not uncommon for no wind to be given on departure (hence listen to the ATIS). I spot at YMML quite often and dont recall ever hearing winds for departure unless asked for
hsvenforcer 8 months ago
wow good call USAir 2998
roparte 8 months ago
I can't see anything, but go ahead and takeoff...
What a dumb broad!!!
artistgmg 8 months ago
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artistgmg 8 months ago
BLONDE !
elMartinlapin 8 months ago 16
@Appleshaz she only gives the winds at the top of the hour, like a DJ.
gobo760 8 months ago
hahah Terminal controllers.... hahahahahahah FEMALE terminal controllers hahahahahahahahah hilarious what a dumbass and its even worse you got a fucking chick in the cockpit too haha thats just asking for a collision
DirtyDangles22 8 months ago 4
@DirtyDangles22 lol i love you
Ironwoman92 8 months ago
And yet another reason why ground radar should be mandatory at all airfields...
Dilandau3000 8 months ago 3
the fucking controller is let her anger and does not listen to the pilot tell her,. she should be fired. if not sooner or later she will cause an accident.
JORALFREXX 8 months ago 2
Another damn collision is avoided
KeroChuK 8 months ago
This is the way the industry is going. Airlines are paying pilots and controllers less and less, and the experience levels are getting worse. Just a sign of the times unfortunately.
biggles72 8 months ago
jesus christ......thats serious!
hearts76100 8 months ago
yea I can tell this female atc is quite ticked that there was a problem. She gives her self away with her smartelic comment and attitude with the US Air pilot who was the only one that demonstrated professionalism and concern for a possible accident. She(ATC) also demonstrates her idiocy by stating "I can't see anything from the tower" and still clears the US Air plane for takeoff while she's being told repeatedly by United that they are near an active runway and "lost". Wow...what a true DITZ!
RottyFan1 8 months ago 3
Female copilots...
FlyGuyDL737 9 months ago
Her attitude almost killed few hundreds of people.
"They are not anywhere near the runway but you can hold short"
How do you know bitch if you don't see from the tower?! Grrrrr
BorisKnoT 9 months ago 4
@BorisKnoT agreed
dumb controller
hongmintaek 9 months ago
@BorisKnoT Exactly! And you know, if someone says they want to hold short and wait till things are sorted out for safety, why the heck would she reply like that? Dude's trying to keep his hundreds of passengers safe!
nashiPAGE 7 months ago
The USAir guy just saved hundreds of people's lives and the ass of the ATC controller.
Yeagermeister07 9 months ago
THe US Air pilot is the man!
desertsto 9 months ago
tower is prettys stupid, how could they be at 23R if they just said they're near K
DVAFP 10 months ago
Howcome the controller doesnt realize whats going on when they say they just saw someone take off and then that they are on an active runway. They gave her the wrong runway number but jesus how do you not realize when they say they saw someone take off??
crockett616 10 months ago
@crockett616: Howcome the controller doesnt realize whats going on ...
JM: She was obviously saturated and should find another line of work. She displayed no common sense at all. She was target fixated on getting USAir off the ground, even after United 1448 TOLD her they were on an active runway.
JetMechMA 9 months ago
i bet the girl pilot was blond
Airsoftdevil666 10 months ago
@Airsoftdevil666
Actually, the person that talks on the radio is usually the copilot. The captain was the male, and he controls the aircraft on the taxiway. He was the one who made the wrong turn, but the wrong turn would have never happened if both pilots had properly verified the airport diagram like you are supposed to do.
HDaviator 10 months ago
@HDaviator doh ... lol i knew that i was just a bit brain dead that day lol...
Airsoftdevil666 9 months ago
WHY THE HELL WOULD THIS DUMBASS STOP ON AN ACTIVE RUNWAY? I DONT CARE WHAT A CONTROLLER SAYS, IM GETTING THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY OF DEPARTING PLANES........DUMBASSES. BOTH OF THEM.
rcacad 10 months ago
hasn't the tower lady leaned anything from the Tenerife disaster? only smart pilots there are US Air 2998.
chrisklein21 10 months ago 3
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ypaul123 11 months ago
Women need to stick to what they're best at. Cooking dinner and making babies. Let the men do the complicated work...
mpoho2000 11 months ago
Landmark425, you're a total moron if you think the controller is not at fault. Pilot reported he was on an active runway and sounded confused. She then ignores it and clears an aircraft for take off. Thats insane, especially in LVPs
mikeshearwood 11 months ago
Thats rather scary how confident the ATC was about United 1448s position. If that pilot would have taken off there would have been an accident. Luckily the pilots listen to whats going on around them and decided to hold. Great call on their part. Why that controller ASSUMED they were off the runway is deffinetly beyond me. Don't get me wrong ATC have one of the hardest jobs in the world and a skilled and trained pilot should know how to taxi properly. Communication is key!
Willeniumm 11 months ago 2
United 1448 you have a pen? Yes mam. 1-800-FU-PILOT
landmark425 11 months ago
2 words PILOT ERROR
airplanebuilderman 1 year ago
I really hope that she lost her atco license for this, shocking
mikeshearwood 1 year ago
@mikeshearwood why would she be to blame? She clearly gave them taxi instructions that would not bring them anywhere close to the active. But that dumb united bitch made a left onto Bravo. If anything the pilots should be calling a number (if they haven't already)
landmark425 11 months ago
Wow! Nasty stuff!
FishingSeagull 1 year ago
And WTF is with the "keelio" pronunciation of "kilo"?
CameronTheCool 1 year ago 2
You can tell the ATC is on an ego-trip @ 2:16 when she clears USAir 2998 for take-off for a SECOND time despite United 1448's distress call. Even though USAir 2998 was interrupted by United 1448's distress call - the ATC should have made United 1448's interruption priority and tell USAir 2998 to hold position. The pilots of USAir 2998 deserve a medal!!!
CameronTheCool 1 year ago 2
@CameronTheCool They got one
Squawkerd 11 months ago
Just for context - This happened in 1999 and since then KPVD has closed 23R (it is now a taxiway) and there is ground surveillance radar and a requirement to use transponders on the ground. That said - it makes a great lesson in Runway Incursion and Aeronautical Decision Making and is still used for this by AOPA.
graemejwsmith 1 year ago
Nice snotty attitude from the female controller even though she was trying to clear United 2998 to take off right into another plane. At that point, with all the conflicting position reports from USA1448, how could she be confident enough to clear another plane to takeoff? Hope at the very least she was sent for re-training.
Cheers to the United crew. They exemplify the hallmark of good piloting...safety is ultimately the responsibility of the pilot, not ATC. Good job guys.
BrewtownFlyer 1 year ago 3
USAir 2998 smart guy!!
foxcummins 1 year ago 156
@foxcummins Very smart guy!
evanylee 11 months ago
Why has no one come up with an GPS advice for aircraft just like in cars but for taxiing ????. You just enter the airport code and then what taxi ways the atc tells you and gate/runway and the GPS guide you on the way if you need too or the weather is bad.
Sooksawaspakdee961 1 year ago 2
@Sooksawaspakdee961 Many modern aircraft have GPS sets as you suggest but many more do not. If you do not you can ask for a "progressive taxi" and the controller will talk you through the taxi one leg at a time - verifying where you are at the end of each leg of the taxi.
graemejwsmith 1 year ago
@Sooksawaspakdee961 That's a bloody good idea!
menglinhai 1 year ago
Women....
markovicmitchell 1 year ago
I thought US Airways is called "Cactus" ?
FuenferBMW 1 year ago
@FuenferBMW
USAIRWAYS's callsign is "Cactus" since octobre '08 and the merge with America West. Before that, Cactus was America West callsign and US AIR was USAIRWAYS's callsign.
jeffou64 1 year ago
@jeffou64 Thanks. But that's a shame, i think US Air sounds better :-)
FuenferBMW 1 year ago
Watching this video I remembered the Tenerife airport disaster in 1977, it is almost the same situation, the only difference is that the KLM pilot decided to start rolling unlike USAir 2998, and of course the 583 lives lost.
Staldren 1 year ago
the KLM pilot was a safety officer i think
singapore7773 1 year ago
Jeezus man, they keep tellin us in school to not just blindly follow atc instructions and heres a prime bloody example why!
Dandaman00019 1 year ago
I really hope the idiot in the tower lost her job after this, this could had been a disaster if not the US air pilots did what they did. The United pilot´s told her twice that they where on an active runway, first time when the fed ex plane swooped by but still this moron in the tower could not put pieces together and realize where United really was. Thank god for the US Air pilots that realized the situation.
Sooksawaspakdee961 1 year ago
Medal for 2998's pilot. Just goes to show that paying attention is VITAL. ATC Shame on you!
Munki6 1 year ago
Wow. When male pilots/atc make mistakes, you will never hear comments about how "men shouldn't do that work." There are plenty of good female pilots/atc. I don't have a problem with the people involved in this incident paying the consequence for their actions (ie being fired), but stop holding the entire gender accountable. It would be wrong to do to men, and it is wrong to do that to women.
julesjones423 1 year ago
@julesjones423 you miss the point, 1000s of men do this everyday.. 1 woman comes along and completely screws things up...not in this case.. in tons of cases. The job i do no woman does. Yet they gave me a woman boss!!!! .. instead of her asking me questions... she told me she could do my job for me!!!! Not in a million years could she do it... if she could she would...very crazy out there. Any woman who can do the job will get mad respect. Any woman who cant .. 5 minutes to figure out....
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773 I didn't understand a word you wrote other than you have a problem with a female who is in a position of authority over you that doesn't know how to do your job. I can relate. I've had a job with a woman who didn't know what she was doing tell me what to do. You know what I did? I found a better job. And unless your job is as a sperm donor, I doubt their aren't women in your field. You seemed to miss my point: If the man or woman fucks up, don't blame the whole gender.
julesjones423 1 year ago
@singapore7773 Also, there have been numerous ATC incidents (ie Cerritos in 1986 and 2003 in Switzerland) where a male completely screwed things up. Do you see anyone telling men to quit the ATC? No! And there are hundreds of women employed in ATC positions around the world. By your theory, there should be hundreds of accidents all the time, which there aren't. So go back to your cave in the stone age, and let the rest of us rise into the future.
julesjones423 1 year ago 2
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@singapore7773 u must of missed what i posted.....
"any woman who can do the job will get mad respect" did u not read that? my beef is with woman who just want the job and dont have a clue... like the MAN and WOMAN from the Continental crash in Buffalo recently...
singapore7773 1 year ago
Where in the hell did 1448 get Bravo from November what idiots. 23R is an active runway just going in the other direction and 1448 notified the controller where they were by reading the signs. The controller is an idiot. The controller should have known where that was, it is her airport she works there. Us air 2998 what smart people we have there they get whats goin on good job fellows. The only smart ones there.
BEALEGENE 1 year ago
@BEALEGENE i just noticed 1448 said 23L she said 23R she was not paying attention dumb broad
BEALEGENE 1 year ago
The pilot from 2998 is my hero
BRAVOADD 1 year ago 4
Anyone knows who is USAir 2998 pilot? on the other hand, what an horrible job did this ATC.
Fastopen 1 year ago
Wow... Glad USAir 2998 was listening carefully to the conversation taking place... I can't really fault United 1448 because as a pilot myself, I know it can be very confusing taxing at an airport you're unfamiliar with, especially in the dark/fog! Mistakes happen and pilots get lost, its not a very big deal. But when the controller assumes she's right and the pilots wrong. And THEN directs the pilot onto an active runway. Thats when stuff happens. USAir 2998's smart thinking saved lives...
Mtrhd0024 1 year ago 2
@Mtrhd0024 Charts, Buddy! That's what they are made for ;) I however agree to the rest of your statement
QemeH 1 year ago
@QemeH Agree'd, but if its dark and foggy, and you missed a sign, you could easily become disoriented, even with a chart! He knew he wasn't in the correct place, just wasn't sure exactly where he was! Either way, glad that USAir pilot had the mind to think twice before throttling up!! :)
Mtrhd0024 1 year ago
The incident occured on December 6, 1999 at T. F. Green Airport near Providence, RI.
gucha7 1 year ago
very dangerous situation!
US Air 2998 you made a very good decision!
and uhhh. ATC: stupid bitch!
JMeyerProductions 1 year ago
It's a Big thing Called RADAR! If you would've used it, you would've known he wasn't near 23R!
pilot588 1 year ago
@pilot588 If you knew what you were talking about, you would know that most airports don't actually have ground radar. Not sure if this airport does
Guydabest 1 year ago
@Guydabest It's been 2 weeks since I posted that, and since then I've learned that not all do! It's just at that time I heard about that kind of radar
pilot588 1 year ago
Doesnt have Ground controller a radar?
Weltbevoelkerung 1 year ago
WTF ur a fag. And he's lucky that other plane decided to hold short lol
Soccermaniac3555 1 year ago
ok this is gonna sound weird but listening to realt atc vids makes me horny for flight simulator lolz
sundevilfan4 1 year ago
LOL Thermo........It is absolutly the towers fault. Obviously this airport has no ground radar so when a pilot out in the fog tells her what signs he is looking at, it`s her job to clue the fuck in and realize the plane made a wrong turn. The only mistake the plane made was to make a wrong turn, the controller told a plane too take off on a runway that another plane just TOLD her they were sitting on.....I wonder what she is doing these days lol
mdo686 1 year ago
@mdo686 Erm, the aircraft taxied onto the runway without telling the controller, as they were to report crossing, and not hold short. They began to cross and saw K, which tipped them off that there was something wrong, and then the FDX goes by...
Sinocian 1 year ago
Wow... heres a reason why I somehow become afraid of flying when a female voice fills the cabin claiming she's in the "flight deck"
plane63 1 year ago 3
I have so much respect for tha US Air 2998 pilots. Bravo!
Synergy9k 1 year ago 37
women pilots.......................
qunniq 1 year ago
Well it's not all the towers fault, her job is to keep the runway active and moving. Things are on a very short time table. United 1448 is at fault. But the tower should have realized that 1448 made a wrong turn when they said "a plane just took off, we are on an active runway" I applaud everyone in the video for working together. But it was really US Air2998 who saved the day yes.
thermo1984 1 year ago
Those USAir Pax were DAMN lucky
englandish43 1 year ago
@englandish43
or they had great pilots ;-)
w67 1 year ago
@w67 ...that they had great pilots
englandish43 1 year ago
this is only the first part...it gets way worse. this controller got into A LOT of trouble
ezk8889 1 year ago
U have to applaud US Air 2998 pilot.....great presence of mind and posture
mindyourmovie 1 year ago
U have to applaud US Air 2998 pilot.....great presence of mind and posture
mindyourmovie 1 year ago
The hero here was US Air 2998. These are the people we should be celebrating for their smarts, not people like Sully. I bet nobody has ever heard of those pilots on Us Air 2998, however, in my opinion they just saved all the lives in those two aircraft. Good job guys.
WaketoWakes 1 year ago
@WaketoWakes
well sully deserves some respect too...
123rushfan1 9 months ago
@123rushfan1
but yeah this us air pilot was smart
123rushfan1 9 months ago
its not uncommon for a pilot to get confused. not necessarily the easiest thing. us air pilot was very smart by holding short
kostellic 1 year ago
No offense but that is one stupid control tower....
Mikey365ify 1 year ago 2
It should be 16/34....
CaptainTimbaland 1 year ago
It seems to me that both pilots on united 1448 and ATC lost situational awareness, it also appears to me that NO ONE bothered to examine the AIRPORT DIAGRAM @ the onset of United 1448's ambiguity as to their location... ATC seemed more concerned w/ clearing planes for takeoff and it seems that United 1448 completely disregarded IFR operations at the airport and NO ONE caught the fact that 16/ 23 does not match for runway hdg's !!! WTF!!??
CaptainTimbaland 1 year ago
YIKES!!!!!
dwags59 1 year ago
I wonder why the United 1448 pilot first said, he's at runway 23R. I think this was conducive too, to confuse the tower. Additionally she didn't notice, that the pilot corrects to "23L" and that he was saying "somebody took off"
FuenferBMW 1 year ago
wow thank god for the wise usair pilot. the atc lady sux big time. also the united pilot should have used his map to figure out where he is. but still to me the atc lady should have known better when united mentioned that they passed KILO, but instead she get's bitchy and gives usair the take-off clearance. NOT GOOD
I wonder 2007(?) and still no ground radar?
MikeMallony 1 year ago
@MikeMallony This was late 90's
apa182 1 year ago
good job us air!
1matthew3354 1 year ago
does anyone knows if that air traffic controller got fired, it's really a no brainer, you take decisions that jeopardize large amount of human lives you really shouldn't be seating in a control tower, this is not a game lady
mlkjml 1 year ago
What happened to the tower? Does the ATC have a ground radar?
cdennis85 1 year ago
Well done the crew of USAir 2998.
TheDepotCat 1 year ago
Nothing like females and EOE to kill everybody!
jwaldopepper 1 year ago
Great job Us Air!
airplanegod 1 year ago
I wonder why the ATC said she couldn't see anything from the tower even though it appears they were in full view of it on the plan?
Oh, and to all the sexist - presumably guys - out there - it takes 2 pilots to fly a plane, and I hear male pilots voices in those confused transmissions too...
kjk3000 1 year ago
Wow that atc lady is pretty dumb, thank god the US air chose to hold short.
Bango61 1 year ago