Yollam, You are correct, people do crave the smell of wood smoke. Part of the reason may be because wood combustion creates TOULENE, also common in model glue. It's highly addictive and people get a jag from it. It's what is called "the wood burner's high". Glue huffers feel the love, too.
And as far as my neighbor burning wrong, he was advised by Central Boiler, "experts" in the industry who tuned it up and told him the exact same words you said, "Your wood stove will hardly make any smoke"now that it's been refurbished." I wish it was true, but a picture is worth a thousand words.
how about this. if you like sending more and more money to those fuckers overseas who want to kill us good for you. But I am an american and this country was found on burning wood for heat and cooking. I still plan on burning wood for heat becuase it does save me money and im not lazy, and its great excerise instead of jenny craig like some people pay for. whats the difference if the smokes coming from a house chimney or a outdoor furnace. I'd switch to soft coal and show you fuckers smoke. :)
@farmallhart88 Actually, burning coal is 50% cleaner on average than burning wood. Switching would be beneficial to both you and your neighbors. Way to go!
Yeah, never even knew the guy before. His model was installed a few years before we moved here. We didn't even think of this type of problem when purchasing. I drove by an OWB house not too faraway and there's piles of wood surrounding his house, making him look like some sort of mentally challenged recluse. Both properties on either side are for sale. Our city doesn't want regulate anything and are a bunch of teabagging wingnuts. The State of Washington has banned them, going to move there.
I plan to store the free fuel in a pre-fab unit right next to the boiler & to heat that unit with the boiler too. It'll keep the fuel warm & dry. I can load the chips with my sub-compact tractor. I've already got the bland to weld up a shaker chute that'll take a 48" tractor bucket-full of dry chips or coal & stoke the stove.
They warn against throwing damp fuel into the unit as smoke is guaranteed in that situation. I have an abundant source of free wood-chips that are dry. My neighbor two doors down has a tree service and dumps chips/mulch at the bottom of his property
I would honestly NOT choose to buy the model that your neighbor has based on your video. The one we're looking at is supposed to have little to no smoke output based on the blowers used to re-burn the particulates before the smoke exits.
We looked into solar. It's nit something we can afford right now it the foreseeable future. Even with the rebates and RECs (renewable energy credits) I wouldn't dream of guessing at the dynamic between you & your neighbor. So I'll ask. Do you think he set it up knowing it would smoke you out & just didn't give a shit? If so, he's not a very good neighbor. Do you happen to know what type of stove he uses & the material he burns in it?
It's a good idea to look at all the true costs involved. To me I can't see how there can be that much savings. As neighbors it's cost us, health, asthma, medication, air cleaning devices, filters, etc. not to mention the fact we couldn't open our windows in the summer. The sucky part is when the wind is stagnant and the smoke just gathers around our house for hours. Talk about stink and it isn't the pleasant fireplace smell either, it smells like he's burning his garbage or animals.
Heat rises but soot falls. Yep soot, technically there's alot of particulate matter in this smoke so it falls like rain. PM2.5 partticulat matter causes all kinds of cancer. It's nasty stuff. I don't know what I ever did to him!!
We would recommend solar. It won't ever smoke out your neighbor and they are making all sorts now that don't stick out like a sore thumb. You can be on the grid or off the grid.
People have been burning wood for a long time. I understand your rage at your situation, but don't make assumptions about myself or my wife. If this stove performs as advertised to meet the EPA standards for the tax credit I think we should be fine.
Whoa. Easy buddy. From your video, it looks like the wind was blowing the smoke sideways. (heat rises) I specifically commented on your video to get your take on the situation as a neighbor of someone who runs one of these.
So you make a poor choice in buying a home with a lousy heating system, and now you want to make your neighbors continue to pay for your poor choices by polluting the air they breathe with another poor choice. You're only adding the problem
There are costs associated with OWB's your furnace salesman won't tell you about or will softball: Neighbors are taking neighbors to court over them, suing for everything from nuisance smell to wrongful death. State Health Depts. are suing manufacturers. Cities, towns and villages across the country are imposing strict regulations or banning OWB's completely. Four States have either restricted or banned them altogether because of the pollution they cause.
The EPA and just about every State and County Health Agency says particulate matter from such high volume wood burning is responsible for tens of thousands of premature deaths each year, and costs consumers billions spent on pharmecuticals to treat asthma, COPD, and heart and lung diseases. The elderly, the most vulnerable, receive Medicare, which you and I pay for with higher taxes.
My wife & I are planning on getting an OWB that has multifuel capability within the next few weeks. Our home was built in '75 and is all electric. The heat exchangers from the unit we're looking at seem to be a perfect solution. The manufacturer (Crown Royal) states that the updraft & over the fire blower system (gasification stove) drastically reduces the smoke output. I don't want bad blood between us & the neighbors, but I also don't want 600+ / m
The winds???? The wind is not causing anything. It's the ignorance of the OWB user that's causing the problems. Believing manufacturer's claims of a smokeless OWB is causing the problems. Lack of respect for your neighbors property rights is what's causing the problems. But blaming the wind??? Give me a break.
OWB smoke contains larger concentrations of chemicals including dioxins. Dioxins accumulate over time and can mutate into cancer. Lowered exposure to dioxins lowers your risk of cancer.
Burning wood may save you some cash in your pocket today, but the OWB seller won't tell you about the lawsuits, the health risks, and the bad blood it creates between neighbors. Their job is to sell OWB's, regardless of the truth or the consequences.
Yollam, You are correct, people do crave the smell of wood smoke. Part of the reason may be because wood combustion creates TOULENE, also common in model glue. It's highly addictive and people get a jag from it. It's what is called "the wood burner's high". Glue huffers feel the love, too.
GoReps 4 weeks ago
I love the smell of wood smoke. That being said, your neighbor is burning wrong. Wood stoves today hardly make any smoke when operated correctly.
yollam 4 weeks ago
And as far as my neighbor burning wrong, he was advised by Central Boiler, "experts" in the industry who tuned it up and told him the exact same words you said, "Your wood stove will hardly make any smoke"now that it's been refurbished." I wish it was true, but a picture is worth a thousand words.
GoReps 4 weeks ago
how about this. if you like sending more and more money to those fuckers overseas who want to kill us good for you. But I am an american and this country was found on burning wood for heat and cooking. I still plan on burning wood for heat becuase it does save me money and im not lazy, and its great excerise instead of jenny craig like some people pay for. whats the difference if the smokes coming from a house chimney or a outdoor furnace. I'd switch to soft coal and show you fuckers smoke. :)
farmallhart88 1 year ago
@farmallhart88 Thanks for your insight and wisdom into the mind of someone who burns wood.
GoReps 1 year ago
@farmallhart88 Actually, burning coal is 50% cleaner on average than burning wood. Switching would be beneficial to both you and your neighbors. Way to go!
GoReps 4 weeks ago
Yeah, never even knew the guy before. His model was installed a few years before we moved here. We didn't even think of this type of problem when purchasing. I drove by an OWB house not too faraway and there's piles of wood surrounding his house, making him look like some sort of mentally challenged recluse. Both properties on either side are for sale. Our city doesn't want regulate anything and are a bunch of teabagging wingnuts. The State of Washington has banned them, going to move there.
GoReps 1 year ago
I plan to store the free fuel in a pre-fab unit right next to the boiler & to heat that unit with the boiler too. It'll keep the fuel warm & dry. I can load the chips with my sub-compact tractor. I've already got the bland to weld up a shaker chute that'll take a 48" tractor bucket-full of dry chips or coal & stoke the stove.
SubieSleeper 1 year ago
They warn against throwing damp fuel into the unit as smoke is guaranteed in that situation. I have an abundant source of free wood-chips that are dry. My neighbor two doors down has a tree service and dumps chips/mulch at the bottom of his property
SubieSleeper 1 year ago
I would honestly NOT choose to buy the model that your neighbor has based on your video. The one we're looking at is supposed to have little to no smoke output based on the blowers used to re-burn the particulates before the smoke exits.
SubieSleeper 1 year ago
We looked into solar. It's nit something we can afford right now it the foreseeable future. Even with the rebates and RECs (renewable energy credits) I wouldn't dream of guessing at the dynamic between you & your neighbor. So I'll ask. Do you think he set it up knowing it would smoke you out & just didn't give a shit? If so, he's not a very good neighbor. Do you happen to know what type of stove he uses & the material he burns in it?
SubieSleeper 1 year ago
I plan to have the manufacturer arrange a demo of the exact unit we're looking into. BTW, it burns coal, corn cobs & pellets etc too
SubieSleeper 1 year ago
It's a good idea to look at all the true costs involved. To me I can't see how there can be that much savings. As neighbors it's cost us, health, asthma, medication, air cleaning devices, filters, etc. not to mention the fact we couldn't open our windows in the summer. The sucky part is when the wind is stagnant and the smoke just gathers around our house for hours. Talk about stink and it isn't the pleasant fireplace smell either, it smells like he's burning his garbage or animals.
GoReps 1 year ago
Heat rises but soot falls. Yep soot, technically there's alot of particulate matter in this smoke so it falls like rain. PM2.5 partticulat matter causes all kinds of cancer. It's nasty stuff. I don't know what I ever did to him!!
We would recommend solar. It won't ever smoke out your neighbor and they are making all sorts now that don't stick out like a sore thumb. You can be on the grid or off the grid.
GoReps 1 year ago
People have been burning wood for a long time. I understand your rage at your situation, but don't make assumptions about myself or my wife. If this stove performs as advertised to meet the EPA standards for the tax credit I think we should be fine.
SubieSleeper 1 year ago
Our home choice was spot on at the time. The local power generating company has hiked their rates 35% & we're exploring all options.
SubieSleeper 1 year ago
Whoa. Easy buddy. From your video, it looks like the wind was blowing the smoke sideways. (heat rises) I specifically commented on your video to get your take on the situation as a neighbor of someone who runs one of these.
SubieSleeper 1 year ago
$600 per month electricity bills for 4 1/2 months
SubieSleeper 1 year ago
So you make a poor choice in buying a home with a lousy heating system, and now you want to make your neighbors continue to pay for your poor choices by polluting the air they breathe with another poor choice. You're only adding the problem
GoReps 1 year ago
There are costs associated with OWB's your furnace salesman won't tell you about or will softball: Neighbors are taking neighbors to court over them, suing for everything from nuisance smell to wrongful death. State Health Depts. are suing manufacturers. Cities, towns and villages across the country are imposing strict regulations or banning OWB's completely. Four States have either restricted or banned them altogether because of the pollution they cause.
EdAsthma 1 year ago
The EPA and just about every State and County Health Agency says particulate matter from such high volume wood burning is responsible for tens of thousands of premature deaths each year, and costs consumers billions spent on pharmecuticals to treat asthma, COPD, and heart and lung diseases. The elderly, the most vulnerable, receive Medicare, which you and I pay for with higher taxes.
EdAsthma 1 year ago
It's a shame that the winds are doing that.
My wife & I are planning on getting an OWB that has multifuel capability within the next few weeks. Our home was built in '75 and is all electric. The heat exchangers from the unit we're looking at seem to be a perfect solution. The manufacturer (Crown Royal) states that the updraft & over the fire blower system (gasification stove) drastically reduces the smoke output. I don't want bad blood between us & the neighbors, but I also don't want 600+ / m
SubieSleeper 1 year ago
The winds???? The wind is not causing anything. It's the ignorance of the OWB user that's causing the problems. Believing manufacturer's claims of a smokeless OWB is causing the problems. Lack of respect for your neighbors property rights is what's causing the problems. But blaming the wind??? Give me a break.
GoReps 1 year ago
OWB smoke contains larger concentrations of chemicals including dioxins. Dioxins accumulate over time and can mutate into cancer. Lowered exposure to dioxins lowers your risk of cancer.
Burning wood may save you some cash in your pocket today, but the OWB seller won't tell you about the lawsuits, the health risks, and the bad blood it creates between neighbors. Their job is to sell OWB's, regardless of the truth or the consequences.
EdAsthma 1 year ago
You don't get by with this in Wisconsin!
adxoplo 2 years ago
Nice, I love the smell of fresh wood smoke. I also love smoked fish. Nothing better, then back to basics. A lot better the bus and car exhaust.
diceman220 2 years ago
Thanks for your insight and wisdom.
GoReps 2 years ago