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  • and after that cummins makes it down that windy ass moutain road first (4wd) take it to a pasture and see who makes it to the other side first hahaha cummins over any other motor

  • think about it, blow that much money on a viper or spend the same and get a truck fully worked!! not only can the truck carry more ppl, more weight, tow big things behind it, and go more places, it would cost less rego then that v10 sports car. above all that, pwning some dumb little rich bitch who's driving a sports car when all you have is a slow ass Diesel truck, now thats something money can buy!

  • well lets put it this way i know the driver in that diesel personally the diesel truck had a nos kit the dodge viper was straight stock so hows that fare that dodge viper will smoke any dodge ram truck stock ill lay money on that just like they said a bucadie could beat a viper lol i seen the 2011 dodge viper v12 twin take his ass to school in a 1/4 but ill give it to you you needed nos cuz you know your ass didnt stand a chance

  • @crispy780100 and who the fuck gives a shit!? stock viper vs tuned ram, we all know what it means when the ram wins. stop autoattacking so much jeesh..

  • Those smokes are like 1 mpg

  • whatever is in that truck, i want it

  • gotta love a cummins

  • and people think trucks are slow..

  • Take the truck out of 4WD and even it up a little bit...

  • ok only if you add at least 2500 lbs to the viper

  • @chasterb8er Looks fair to me XD It a truck

  • @chasterb8er or they can just race the same car, that be pretty even i think...

  • ITS NOT ABOUT WHO CAN TURN OR BRAKE! ITS ABOUT WHO CAN GET TO THE END OF THE TRACK FIRST!

  • lol the viper that he had it and was pussy footin' it, by the time he got on it, it was too late

  • @murdamonte, lol, so "if" the viper could do 190, where you gonna go to be able to drive 190 all the time? who cares if it will top out at that, the diesel still pounded it and the truck can haul a lot more azz in it thatn that viper lmao. you might get 2 skinny chics in the passenger side, the truck will haul about 20 lol.

  • that dodge could beet it going backwards :P

  • I don't think the Viper guy would be rattled at all from this defeat. If he can buy a Viper then I'm sure he can duplicate and improve upon what he was beaten by. Its very likely he hauled his car in there with the same kind of truck lol. If it wasn't for the Cummins engine Dodge trucks would be trash.

  • i got a 02 2500 with 5.9l vp 44 i love it, but if it wasn't for cummins i woul get a 03 7.3l not much room in dodge and front end suck ass so do the brakes seem to wear out too fast, at least i got a 6spd thats a plus, and i love the sound too,i guess i don't care much for dodge it's the cummins that made the truck...... ok i'm ready for the comments now : )

  • Ahh nothing better than a badass truck kickin ass. I bet that viper thought he had it in easy when he saw what he was racing. HAHA FUCK YOU DIESEL HATERS!! Im a powerstroke guy but i am a huge fan of diesels. Id take any one of the big three preferably not chevy but if i had to i would. lol.

  • Ahh nothing better than a badass truck kickin ass. I bet that viper thought he had it in easy when he saw what he was racing. HAHA FUCK YOU DIESEL HATERS!!

  • Thats where 4 wheel drive is nice get em off the start.

  • Cool, but theres something IRL called a corner, something a pickup would never be able to do

  • @0988509885 and theres something called off roading a viper would never be able to do

  • i will take the viper anyday over the ram its a fast ruck and all, but that viper will do 190mph and get bitches afterwards two thing that truck will never do!!!

  • fuckkk diesel engines !!!!!

  • @dexen2  Diesel might be the future, i guess bio diesel, you can make it your self unlike gas, if it came down to it. When price for gas will be 10-15$ a gallon people with diesel will be better off. just my guess.

  • so thats where the smoke monster from LOST comes from...

  • @RovingLandRover u can buy a new 2500 4 around 40,000 spend 10,000 in it and run 10s a new viper is 80,000 an only runs low 12s now u got 2 spend 9 or 10 thousand on an 80,000 car 2 run with an 50,000 dollar truck but ur a smart guy u figure it out

  • It's not about how fast it came stock. This is about a redneck with a truck sticking to some snobby rich guy in a viper. The point was proven. I'm sure the guy in the viper sold his car after getting owned by a 4 wheel drive work truck. Power to the rednecks!!

  • @Psdowner Ummm I doubt this. You know why? Because you will get laid in a Viper and you will just look like a hick in a truck. On top of that, I'd love to see that POS truck brake or take a turn........now that shit would be hilarious.

  • @frambesbuckeye your funny its not about getting laid lol and also vipers are cool n all but that truck smoked it haha anyways you fail at what you know (:

  • @Reaperz4Lyfe I know as soon as that truck hits a turn it's going to barrel roll faster than it turns a 1/4 mile time.

  • @frambesbuckeye - Cars that cost over $80,000 are simply for when your dick is just too small.... you have to attract women with your money LOL

  • @Alrgc2Air Maybe so..............but I still get laid, while you look like another hick in a truck.

  • @Alrgc2Air fucking moron.... cars of 80,000 are for people who have money. by the way a brand new f350 DRW turbo diesel is aroudn 60,000. dumbass

  • @TheLikeaboss - like I care what you think of me... and BTW.. don't care much for Fords either... EVERYTHING is overpriced in the US... because of unions that think pushing buttons on a machine is skilled labor...

  • @Alrgc2Air In the US things are expensive?! Try living in the UK, you'll have a really hard time even finding a car under £500 (that's currently 822USD)

  • @jbdtaylor - I'm sure that is true. I once had a regular client here on an extended stay from the UK. But even with the disproportion with other countries, there is still artificial inflation in the US.

  • @jbdtaylor Thats a bad example, there are plenty of cars to be found for 500 in the UK

  • @Psdowner While I love diesels and everything that comes with one, the Viper is a serious handling car with huge ass powerplant. If it lost in a drag race, big deal... the Dodge couldn't nearly as much shit on touring/racing environment. I would like to see a Diesel Viper vs a Doge Pick up truck. Trucks are awesome though and I love my Cummins!

  • ahahahahahaha! thats so fucking awesome!

  • There no better diesel engine out there but cummins! except for the 24 valve. Diesel displacment rated by power and torque produced and gas is rated by the engines total displace ment.

  • @RovingLandRover YOUR, almost right. see unfortuately the cummins comes in an in line 6 and the viper is a v10, the cummins comes in a full size pick up and the v10 comes in a sports car. so maybe a stock viper vs a viper with a cummins in it, or a stock cummins truck and a truck with a viper engine. as for the viper spanking the the diesel, yeah probably, but it like saying a crotch rocket and a harley should race.

  • no way that truck is stock

  • @codenamecordon Of course not! However, the Cummins turbo diesel has that much potential.

  • my freind watched this, and after he saw the truck fly off the starting line you should have seen his face

  • i love my cummins, but you cant touch the viper on the highway, stock viper gears are way too low to get decent 60ft and 1/4 mile times, the viper probably has what maybe a 3.07 to the ram's 4.10 or maybe even the 4.56 rear axle ratio, plus not to mention the lack-luster reaction time from the driver in the viper, reguardless, the viper got OWED :P

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  • haha fuck your faggot little sports car the ram can run it over and is faster haha

  • ....Wow, good job flushing your credibility down the toilet.

    Don't get me wrong, this Ram is very impressive... but I don't think it can exactly keep up with a Dodge Viper after 110 mph. Vipers can top 200 mph, and clearly you've never been in a Viper, cause you would diss it like that if you had. You hear a Viper engine roar, you wont refer to it as a "faggot little sports car."

  • @MarineHawk117 I wouldn't say that either, i just rebuilt a 24v cummins, its only putting out around 750hp and around 1500lbs, it defuels at 4000rpm and we got her up to 128mph and only at 2800rpms, but then we ran out of road lol. I think a cummins could catch a viper, but only if you have the money lol.

  • @93CTD

    Again, they can be downright impressive, but a fullsize truck simply cannot get around 200 mph. When you're talking those speeds, you're talking improved suspension, shocks, racing-class tires that are rated for 200+ mph. You can have a Viper Ram maybe push 160-170 mph... but that's it when it comes to fullsize trucks. Don't forget they're essentially bricks with wheels.

  • @MarineHawk117 Ya man, i got ya. Like i said they can do it but thats only for the people who have the money lol.

  • @93CTD

    If someone was able to get a truck like that exceed speeds of 180 mph... It would literally be the fastest truck on the face of the earth!

    And I'd probably hunt the owner down and grab the truck!

  • @MarineHawk117 lol banks preformance has a diesel s-10 that holds tons of records, on of which is for breaking the 200mph mark with a diesel truck. (212mph is where they were when they let off the throttle, lol plenty of throttle to go)

  • @MarineHawk117 bank preformance has a brick with wheels that does 217. so...... i bet they'll race ya!

  • @93CTD im a duramax guy and im telling you a cummins can easily catch a viper. (i didnt say this, dont want the other duramax guys to hear me) but the cummins in my oppinion is the most well put together diesel engine in the U.S. market. cast iron inline 6. you bet ur ass a cummins could catch a viper. and get 25 mpg while doing it. my only prob is that the awesomness that is cummins, come only in one color, DODGE. not a fan. i dont feel that dodges products match the quality of a CHEVY

  • @cbsmoraine Don't worry i wont tell no one, But i wouldn't trade my old D250 for anything, It was fun talkin to ya, You keep on lovin the duramax. lol

  • @93CTD thanks for not telling the other DMAX guys. and i will keep on loving the DMAX, until chevy puts cummins in their trucks, then and only then will i go to the dark side

  • @justin200567890 The faggot little sports car uses an engine that came from a dodge ram... and the truck isn't stock... my god if it was stock it wouldn't even be a race lol

  • @rippkurlzable i would take the ram stock over a sports car anyday the viper and vettes are good looking and fast but im a pickup man wouldnt trade it in ever haha but where i come from you need a truck

  • @rippkurlzable No. The ram v10 is a cast iron version of the aluminum viper v10. The viper block came first.

  • ok cycle whore. i like how you said that a cummins 5.9L comes with over 1200hp. which is completely incorrect. they come stock with around 750 to 900. tq about 1200 for hauling so u were way out of the ball park

  • @chicotripps they make like 350hp lol. the power is all in the torque, unless u boost the shit out of them.

  • WTF!! When i read a Dodge ram Diesel vs.a viper, I doubted the Ram but DAMN!!!! My jaw dropped!!

  • I can't stop saying dayuuuuuuuuum.

  • @1fstGN thats why there is a 69 camaro with a 6bt running high nines? o yeah really weighs it down? if your building a car for racing who gives a fuck about valueand who gives a fuck about paint jobs, really smoke washes off, dont be a little bitch about it and everything pretty much loses value. a real enthusiast doset always think about value they think about being original or building a vehicle that represents there style or who they are

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  • diesel is where its at

  • Viper ate shit!

    

  • thats nothing haha my 01 dodge cummins will smoke that truck.

  • @Coltonself1995 Lets see a video of it.

  • yal act like thats fast or something..lol

  • holy shiiiit

  • Lol, turbocharged beats naturally aspirated in a straight line, I think we all know this.

  • HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

  • Atleast either way the dodge would win

  • @billybonghorton

    dodge sucks ass

  • OMFG I nearly shit my pants when that rig rocketed out of the hole like that.

  • @kayoss420 yeah dude. the viper got a slight head start. did u notice that? but it still got raped. I want this truck so i can rape some ferrari driving snob in a drag race!

  • Jesus... I hate those stupid Semi exhausts on trucks though, WAY too redneck for me.

  • shit lol that was awesome

  • Thats a 1999 Viper GTS ?!

  • straight up nuts

  • how fast was that ram goin ??

  • always wondered why them v10's sound like an import...hmmmm

  • @mikescharger6983 Short stroke ever listen to the F1 v-12 and V-8's the shorter stroke gives it that higher pitch

  • @DVcustomZ the viper doesnt have the v-12, its the ram 2500 v-10, do a little more research

  • @SpiritTracksOfficial Learn to read retard I said have U ever hear a F1-v12 they have a short stroke similar to the Viper v-10 which is why they sound more like an import than say a BBC. Reading is a good think you idiot look and read the comment that I was responding to. You R the worst kind of person the guy who thinks he is saying something important but comes off as a jack ass

  • @DVcustomZ piss off you fucking pussy and go suck your moms dick and your dads pussy

  • @SpiritTracksOfficial And your still coming off like a JACK ASS LOL

  • the inline6 is nothin to fuck with they are capable of beating anything

  • ke madrisa le puso la dodge al viper

  • Not even right...

  • rofl

  • it a dodge cummins not a ram

  • erm, it is a dodge ram, with a cummins engine. cummins is a seperate company that makes diesel engines

  • @lancem943 The truck is a ram you tard the motor is just a cummins.

  • Stock Viper vs HIGHLY modified Cummins, wow good race...  ;)

  • well I've got one of both (a 700 hp twin turbo cummins diesel) and (a 600 hp supercharged Viper) and they are both fast in there own ways. If the diesel doesn't have time to light the turbos the Viper will outrun it (on the street)... on the track (the Viper gets no traction) and the diesel in 4wd hooks up well off the line...

  • yeah... can we see some videos please?

  • Damn, had to see this vid to believe it!

  • peobryant - i payied only 3k for my dodge cummins it belonged to a 87 year old man it was a 90-96 model .. only that was wrong with it ....a rat got under the hood an ate alot of the fuel system wireing up but that only cost about 250$ so i cam out on top

  • Позорно обосрали Вайпер...

    А ведь когда-то он был самой быстрой серийной машиной...

  • Don't be foolish, there are many 5.9L cummins making over 1200 hp. Unlike gasoline, diesel can withstand boost pressures higher than 100 psi without knocking, and thats how they make a ton of power. Not to mention they also make twice as much tq per hp. I suggest you do a little more research before opening your mouth.

  • @cyclewhore Diesel are better in every aspect and if we would start buying more as a country, the price would drop to very low for the fuel

  • @Jay500500500 Diesel are better in "ALMOST" every aspect . There I fixed it for you.

  • @cyclewhore i thought they made more torque than horsepower? i never really looked into these trucks but from what i can tell peopel can make then FAST.

  • @halflife103 They do. I have one myself. Around a 2:1 ratio most of the time. This truck is probably close to 700hp and 1350 ft-lb with nitrous. All on stock pistons, head, valves, crank, blah blah blah. Literally with a good transmission, add a turbo, injectors, and programmer and you have 600 hp all day. The only thing holding them back is weight. 7000 lbs is HEAVY.

  • @cyclewhore Here's my theory. As a fuel, gasoline is more suitable for producing outright power. Even though gasoline cannot stand v high boost pressures, a petrol with 95psi boost would still beat a diesel with 120+ if the engines were of the same displacement & no. of cylinders.

  • @gpzDave do you realize the reason a diesel runs on a lower rpm......its because if it ran any higher it would blow it's self up diesel has more power and with the right mods it would out run almost anything so get your facts straight dumbass

  • @protectoroffaith you say 'with the right mods' an equally modified petrol would still win

  • @gpzDave i work with diesel i know what its capable of if a dodge 350 can out run a petro powerd car boy thats saying something so don't challenge me when it comes to diesel your going to loose every time

  • @protectoroffaith well my point is NOT that diesels can't be fast, it's that petrol is a substance/fuel which is more explosive than diesel.

    Power is easier to make at high rpm's where a fast burning fuel is more effective. If you took a turbo-charged 2.0L Petrol and compared it to a turbo-charged 2.0L Diesel with equivelant running gear, the petrol would produce more power.

    I do respect that there are many very fast diesels out there, and I feel that for road-use diesels are better engines

  • @gpzDave your still wrong about that diesel was made for power if you hooked a 3500 ram diesel to a 3500 ram petro(i know thats not possible but its an example) the diesel would pull that petro truck all the way acrossed the country there ment for power not speed but they found away to make it not only powerful but fast also so go ahead and say so more shit you dummy

  • @protectoroffaith mate, i never said diesels are slow cars

  • @gpzDave but thats what your emplying 

  • @protectoroffaith i was just saying it's easier to get horsepower from a petrol, and as I say, certain (turbo-equipped/tuned) diesel engines are as fast as petrols.

  • @gpzDave OMG its not horse power its torque you dumb fuck thats where the power come's from its not speed its torque you know nothing about power your probly a tuner fuck that thinks his honda could out run a musle car

  • @protectoroffaith

    Useful power depends on what you need,

    Racing use: Horsepower

    Road use: Torque

    For racing horsepower is the useful one, as that is the engines optimal output, and the point where it best utilises the torque available from the engine.

    On the road the torque provided by a diesel gives continuous pull over a larger rev range, which is more useful and fuel efficient as it is at lower revs.

  • @cyclewhore winning is winning you fag. you wish u had that truck

  • my grandfather got his viper up to top speed. theirs no way a pick up could do that

  • @goldenace324 give me 90 grand and ill get that truck to a higher top speed then that viper

  • @crowofdeath2 you are not getting that truck above 100 mph

  • @goldenace324 How often do you really have the opportunity to go that fast anyway? Ill have off-the-line torque over top speed any day

  • @crowofdeath2 hmm interesting tell me how,that viper would be cryin in the corner if that cummins had a higher top speed

  • @jjjhedder im sorry i dont think i understand what your asking

  • well than your an idiot with no car skills....thats all you saying this tells us :-D

  • when the truck is running double the horse it easily could

    i have a 2003 Corvette Z06 and a Dodge 2500 with two turbo's chipped and a fuller transmission and my dodge will smoke my vette on the strait aways (while towing my boat)

  • @FireFighterrock24 That's AWESOME

  • A stock viper will do a 1/4 mile in 10.73 sec. at 129 MPH I dont care what that truck has in it and how far it has to do it, it wont ever reach 129mph the driver of the viper must not know how to drive very well. I have been in a viper and a diesel truck it just is not gona happen the the way this video shows it

  • @jmonheim76 iv been in trucks that can go 150+

  • Dude Ive seen on here a dodge ram diesel run in the 9s at 145

  • Ever had one run pass your ass and almost make you shit?

    I sold my 1995 saleen last june, 331ci stroker, 577 rwhp, Had a 2002 cummins suck my doors off in the 1/4 mile, About shit lol i thought it was a joke to see a 3/4 ton 4wd truck on 35s at the track

    I ran a 10.55 on nittos, not sure of his time but it was easly in the mid to high 9s

  • a clean used dodge diesel for 5k or 6k? what are you an idiot bro? Maybe from the 80's LOL... Your a cock goblin' bro... A turbo cummins used with 100k miles would cost around 15k maybe

  • @DonSullyJuan I hate to burst your bubble, but you can easily find clean 12 Valves for 5-6K. That includes both 1st and 2nd Gens. What's up with everyone insulting 1fstGN? Who cares if he doesn't share your opinion? He doesn't share mine, but we had an actual conversation and neither one of us resorted to namecalling. In case you're wondering, YOU'RE the douchebags that own diesels that he was talking about. YOU'RE the people that give diesels bad names. @1fstGN, you're Camaro sounds sweet.

  • or 1stgen could just do like a lot of other ppl and put a fucking cummins in his camaro that way he could have the best of both but he is too fucking gay to do that i mean if he did then maybe he could take a diesel truck witth it lol

  • @e21mike How stupid would you have to be to ruin a muscle car with a diesel engine? That adds no value or speed to the car. It would just weigh it down and make me look like a white trash jackass. A restored to original Camaro is worth more than any Dodge Ram. Trying to make a Dodge Ram sweet is a total waste of time and money. Even if you put $100,000, it will continue to decrease in value. I wouldn't want a bunch of filthy black smoke covering my paint job.

  • ATS and Suncoast both build transmissions that can withstand 2000+ ft. lb. of torque.

  • Start saving.

  • OK , !fst GN lets do some math. A new Viper cost $60K , and a used one costs $30-40k. Now you can buy a clean used diesel Ram for $5 or 6K and add an additional $6-8000 and it will be an 11 sec. truck. That leaves the Dodge truck with an additional $30 to $40,000 left over. I guess you were too busy sucking cocks than paying attention in math class.

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  • That P.O.S. Dodge just ran a 11.54.. Yet you still call it a P.O.S. are you jealous. Because you know that P.O.S. Dodge Truck will beat your car?

  • I won't be too worried about that or any other diesel truck when my car is finished.

  • How much are you spending on your motor and transmission? Dodge ATS stage 6 or Suncoast is $7,300 and change. That transmission will last you forever. They fix all the weak links. That can't handle over 375hp. Witch the stock 48RE transmission can handle. What stock Chevy transmission can handle 325hp and 555 ft. lb. of torque?

  • Any transmission used in the new Corvette ZR1s would handle 325 hp and 555 ft. lb. of torque-easily. For my car, I could slightly modify a TH 400 transmission and that would be strong enough.

  • I said my car would be cheaper. I never said a Viper would be cheaper. You misread that. Don't forget to add in the cost of a new transmission each time you want to run that P.O.S. Dodge. Or, spend even less money and buy a bike and smoke both Vipers and diesels. I'm sure you are one of the last people who should be lecturing anyone on math.

  • So 1fstGN thinks diesel trucks are slow and gay. Did he notice that a 6500 lb truck ripped off a mid11 second quarter mile pass and smoked a viper in the process. He was too busy sucking on a cock. And i bet his restored 68 Camaro won't be getting 16-18 mpg or driven daily like these diesel trucks. If we don't see a video of 1ftsGN's Camaro doing a 11 sec pass assume he has died of AIDS. But in the mean time, put up or shut up!

  • Yeah, good one. Vipers aren't quarter mile cars, and it won't be driven daily but it will be worth more money, and I won't have to invest nearly as much to get it to run like this truck.

  • bitch bitch bitch..sheesh

  • This one is fast off the line, but diesel trucks aren't race cars They're gay because they are rarely unique or interesting to look at. It's annoying how people think that diesel trucks are the fastest vehicles on the planet.

  • 11 second quarters are race cars in my book... doesn't matter if it's a truck or a Geo Metro.

  • @1fstGN. So because it's YOUR opinion that a diesel truck isn't unique or interesting to look at, they're gay? If you don't like diesels, then why watch a video with a diesel in it? You know what I think is "gay?" People who watch videos of something they don't like, and post a negative comment trying to get people worked up. Either your a kid who can't drive, or your just a pathetic "man" who wants to make himself feel better by trying to be a bad ass on the internet.

  • Well, almost everyone I know that has one is a douchebag about it and all of my friends agree with me. I watched it hoping that the Viper would win, why else? But of course only videos of diesel trucks beating cars would be posted on Youtube, because it's a much rarer occurance. And yes, I can drive, and when I finish restoring my car, I cannot wait to stomp diesel trucks on the track and streets. If I'm trying to get people worked up, then I guess that I have succeeded.

  • Obviously the people who act like douchebags aren't diesel enthusiasts. I know exactly what you are talking about (plenty of them around my area too) but lumping us all together is ignorant. Actually, a modded diesel beating a car isn't a rare occurrence at all, because they generally have about twice the torque as horsepower, and torque gets you down the track. You haven't succeeded in working me up either, but your other post made you seem like an arrogant prick. This post is much better.

  • Maybe they aren't enthusiasts, but they're the only people I ever hear talk about them. And yes, I know they have more torque and can launch and get down the track quicker, but they're still not as quick as many drag cars, or even bikes. It just seems pointless to try and make a diesel truck a dragster.

  • You're correct, they aren't as fast as a lot of drag cars, but they are faster than a whole lot of cars. Part of the reason a lot of people think it's cool to drag a diesel is because they aren't intended for that, but you can still make them fast as hell, and still do what it was intended to do, tow. The Scheid dragster is around 7 second 1/4 miles, only because it can't hook up. Pretty impressive to me. Off topic, but what kind of car are you restoring? What are you shooting for in the 1/4?

  • Yes, that is fast, but I doubt it is a street legal truck? Anyways, it is a 1968 Camaro SS- it won't be the fastest car around, but I hope to have it running 11's. Keeping in mind, while I would love to have it running in single digits, I'm not going for a prostreet car, and do not have that much money to put into it. I just want a nice looking car that can be run on the streets and occasionally on the track, and still take it to a car show.

  • Diesel trucks are slow and gay.

  • A stock diesel truck is slow, (well, my '91 is) but if you deny that this truck is fast, you're just ignorant. I also had no idea vehicles could be gay. What do they do to eachother that's gay? I've never caught my Cummins doing any lewd acts to another Cummins. I keep a close eye on my girl too.

  • yep, but not this one =P

  • Beat him with half of the cylinders

  • huh huh huh weed!!!!!!!!!!

  • that ram is modded up the ass

  • still probably cost less then the viper tho lol and i would bet it weighs more then double the viper

  • Something seems wrong here.

    11.546 at 11.5a7 MPH?

  • i think i was the 2 drag time on the same sign. Ram=11.546, viper=11.567

    that would make sense.

  • probably his dial in time he told the track he was going to run 11.56 and he ran 11.54 which is breaking out so he technically lost to the viper