stare czasy kiedy radeon pojawil sie na rynku ogolnie tez mialem problemy z gf 9800gtx zmienilem na radeona 4870 i zalmka Bluce screeny podobne scinki ale dzis juz grafika bezproblemowa sterowniki wszystko naprawily ale wiadomo wtedy to byla agonia ktora na szczescie ustapila :)
I spent 2 years trying to fix that, so finally i decided to take a leap of faith and managed to flash the bios. IT TOOK FUCKING 5 SECONDS TO FIX THE PROBLEM >_<
To sie nazywają artefakty kolego. Wątpie aby to byl jakis ,,bug biosu karty,, - o ile takie cos wogole istnieje. Radeon hd4870 to zły wybór, szczególnie używany, raz kupilem i zaraz sprzedalem, bo to co u mnie sie dzialo to poprosu tragedia. Jezeli "jak w niecale 30 sekund rozpieprzylem GTA: SA" to masz chyba na mysli, że grzebałes w folderach gry, bo wątpie aby rozpieprzenie gta wiązało się z grzebaniem w biosie karty :)
Po pierwsze: karte kupiłem jakoś rok temu jako nówkę sztukę prosto ze sklepu.
Po drugie skoro, to nie bug biosu, to czemu Sapphire wypuścił nowy bios akurat do tej wersji i do tego modelu karty?
Po trzecie po zmianie na nowszą wersje biosu wszelkie problemy jak ręką odjął. Jednym słowem wina biosu, a nie wina gry, przegrzania, voltowania i innych bzdur, które tutaj wielu wypisywało...
@rafas03 Ja nie moge, co z tego ze wypuscili nowy bios?? To tak jak z daną płytą główną, najpierw jest 1,0v to potem 1,2v itp. Jak by to była wina biosu, to takie zjawisko mialbyś nie tylko w gta, a takze w innej aplikacji czy nawet na pulpicie. Z mojego doswiadczenia, uszkodzony bios wiąże się wogole z nie włączaniem się karty, co skutkuje czarnym ekranem po wcisnieciu przycisku Power. Pozdrawiam :)
@Brugiss36 ale to nie bylo uszkodzenie biosu tylko błąd. Jakis jeden drobny błąd, ktory powodował w GTA: SA takie cuda. Zreszta GTA: SA tez nie bylo pozbawione błedów (a działało). Jesli dobrze pamietam, to w Counter Strike 1.6 też potrafilo mi wysypać grę na poprzednim fw karty graficznej. Reasusumaja bios/fimrware karty nie był uszkodzony tylko mial jakis blad w ustawieniach.
@Brugiss36 Dla potwierdzenia tego przejrzyj komentarze pod moim filmem. Wsrod komenatrzy znajdziesz maly tutorial w jaki sposob poradzić sobie z tym problemem bez zmiany biosu karty. Wystarczylo tylko pozmieniać ustawienia parametrów dla działania karty w trybie 2D i 3D czyli powerplay. I juz bylo ok. Nowy bios najwyrazniej te przypadłość skorygował trwale.
Wow this is exactly the problem I have with my Sapphire 4870! I thought it was just random overheating but I guess it was actually a problem with the card's BIOS. I was getting so frustrated with this problem that I was planning to get a 5850 or something just to resolve this issue.
wow how did you manage to do that, i have a 4850 and run crysis, dirt 2 undercover, maxed out without any problems, have you OC it? or it is stock?(like mine) maybe your voltages are wrong :/
I know the problem it should be the videocard. it is overheated l had the same problem because l overclocked my videocard to much with the stock coling so l upgraded it and it never happend again. Have you overclocked your video card and does this happen with every game ofter a while ?
does it blue screen of death on you right after? I have a similar problem on my gtx 260 core 216, ran fine for a while but now it just stops responding. Driver issues or something. only game I play is gta4 and cod4
MAM TAKI SAM PROBLEM TYLE ŻE Z KARTĄ HD 3450 I TO NA KAZDEJ GRZE. ZAWIESZA SIE POTEM WRACA, A W WINDOWSIE ZMNIEJSZA SIE ROZDZIELCZOSC, PO CHWILI ZAWIESZA SIE NA AMEN. KTOS WIE CO Z TYM ZROBIC?? ZASILACZ TO RACZEJ NIE JEST, BO OSTATNIO POKAZAŁ MI SIE NAWET BLUE SCREEN Z PROBLEMEM PLIKU Atidvag2
i have gainward 4870, i never had any crash, any problem. gainward is clean. :D this is my first ati card, i was an nvidia boy until now. this is indeed a great card.
Ok mine seems to be working though i only played for about 15 mins, IF your gfx card works on different games like crysis etc. then ur card is ok
install 8.12, new gta 4 patch, install the new bios flash 4 sapphire, during gameplay as soon as it loaded i pressed Ctrl and ESCAPE then loaded the game backup and it seems to be working or at least its working longer b4 it crashed after a minute or 2, so far so good
i have the EXACT SAME PROBLEM with the new GTA 4 - ROCKSTAR R A LOAD OF SHIT
the problem is NOT POWERPLAY its NOT updating the figgin bios and i have the latest 8.12 DRIVER for the ati 4870 the card does NOT overheat, i have 4GB RAM @ 1066mhz, q6600 @ 3Ghz
no O.C on the gpu - CRYSIS RUNS FINE so does many other games its these crap Rockstar ones, any suggestions??????????????
Similar problems for me in all games I play. My system works fine when I put my slow 8800gt back in though. If they can't get it fixed in the December update I'm back to Nvidia.
Not an overheating issue issue for me, I played with my 4870 @ 100% fan and had the same problem, although I couldn't hear my games over the shop vac sound.
WoW ! I can´t belive that myproblem is solved! Thank you very much! =D But every time e i reboot my pc, i have to open the catalyst control center and them select my profile.
There is a way to define the standart 2D fequency to 750MHz? Whem my windows get started, it is set up as 500Mhz.
Ok so I have the same card and it works well, but wen I messd with ati overdirve and used auto-tune(auto-tune decided that for my system, the gpu clock to 820 and memoru clock to 1150, are fine) it workd fine in 3dmark06 and in other programs but when I tried to play (let's say oblivion)it crashed after 1 min. So i put my card to stok setings(GPU clock 750, memory clock 900) ad guess what:) it didnt crash any more. So if u oveclocked your card just a little bit this might be the problem;).
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mikiboss97 5 months ago
Sounds like a DnB tune lol
chrisvillan88 6 months ago
stare czasy kiedy radeon pojawil sie na rynku ogolnie tez mialem problemy z gf 9800gtx zmienilem na radeona 4870 i zalmka Bluce screeny podobne scinki ale dzis juz grafika bezproblemowa sterowniki wszystko naprawily ale wiadomo wtedy to byla agonia ktora na szczescie ustapila :)
razielospl 9 months ago
must you mini-gun the helicopter?? :P
yesplease45 1 year ago
I spent 2 years trying to fix that, so finally i decided to take a leap of faith and managed to flash the bios. IT TOOK FUCKING 5 SECONDS TO FIX THE PROBLEM >_<
xenover 1 year ago
To sie nazywają artefakty kolego. Wątpie aby to byl jakis ,,bug biosu karty,, - o ile takie cos wogole istnieje. Radeon hd4870 to zły wybór, szczególnie używany, raz kupilem i zaraz sprzedalem, bo to co u mnie sie dzialo to poprosu tragedia. Jezeli "jak w niecale 30 sekund rozpieprzylem GTA: SA" to masz chyba na mysli, że grzebałes w folderach gry, bo wątpie aby rozpieprzenie gta wiązało się z grzebaniem w biosie karty :)
Brugiss36 1 year ago
@Brugiss36
Po pierwsze: karte kupiłem jakoś rok temu jako nówkę sztukę prosto ze sklepu.
Po drugie skoro, to nie bug biosu, to czemu Sapphire wypuścił nowy bios akurat do tej wersji i do tego modelu karty?
Po trzecie po zmianie na nowszą wersje biosu wszelkie problemy jak ręką odjął. Jednym słowem wina biosu, a nie wina gry, przegrzania, voltowania i innych bzdur, które tutaj wielu wypisywało...
rafas03 1 year ago
@rafas03 Ja nie moge, co z tego ze wypuscili nowy bios?? To tak jak z daną płytą główną, najpierw jest 1,0v to potem 1,2v itp. Jak by to była wina biosu, to takie zjawisko mialbyś nie tylko w gta, a takze w innej aplikacji czy nawet na pulpicie. Z mojego doswiadczenia, uszkodzony bios wiąże się wogole z nie włączaniem się karty, co skutkuje czarnym ekranem po wcisnieciu przycisku Power. Pozdrawiam :)
Brugiss36 1 year ago
@Brugiss36 ale to nie bylo uszkodzenie biosu tylko błąd. Jakis jeden drobny błąd, ktory powodował w GTA: SA takie cuda. Zreszta GTA: SA tez nie bylo pozbawione błedów (a działało). Jesli dobrze pamietam, to w Counter Strike 1.6 też potrafilo mi wysypać grę na poprzednim fw karty graficznej. Reasusumaja bios/fimrware karty nie był uszkodzony tylko mial jakis blad w ustawieniach.
rafas03 1 year ago
@Brugiss36 Dla potwierdzenia tego przejrzyj komentarze pod moim filmem. Wsrod komenatrzy znajdziesz maly tutorial w jaki sposob poradzić sobie z tym problemem bez zmiany biosu karty. Wystarczylo tylko pozmieniać ustawienia parametrów dla działania karty w trybie 2D i 3D czyli powerplay. I juz bylo ok. Nowy bios najwyrazniej te przypadłość skorygował trwale.
rafas03 1 year ago
@Brugiss36
To jest wina biosu...zmieniłem i wszystko działa elegancko, fenomenalna karta.
Szymszon90 5 months ago
buy nvidia 9800GTX+ evga or BFG GTX 260
problem solved.
Kage999 1 year ago
@Kage999 lol those are antique, get a GTX 460 1GB.
Leopardipzg 1 year ago
@Leopardipzg um, no
gtx 260 is not "antique" fx 5900 ultra is
Kage999 1 year ago
@Kage999 yes it is you would be stupid to buy a 260 instead of 460
Leopardipzg 1 year ago
so did you manage to fix it dude??
sa5er1234 1 year ago
big crash there man lol bad luck
MARCOSPEREIRA5 1 year ago
i have that too,i suck at ati but on nvidia ....its cool.no lags
grove4mylife 1 year ago
Wow this is exactly the problem I have with my Sapphire 4870! I thought it was just random overheating but I guess it was actually a problem with the card's BIOS. I was getting so frustrated with this problem that I was planning to get a 5850 or something just to resolve this issue.
Dragynfyre0 1 year ago
wow how did you manage to do that, i have a 4850 and run crysis, dirt 2 undercover, maxed out without any problems, have you OC it? or it is stock?(like mine) maybe your voltages are wrong :/
Lazzlo000 2 years ago
@Lazzlo000 it's bug in bios of sapphire.
rafas03 2 years ago
I just downloaded ATI Tray Tools, set my speeds to 750/900 and voltage to 1,203
Played over an hour w/o a crash. Never achieved that with a game that causes freezes. More testing to do ! :)
xenover 2 years ago
Played for 2 hours this morning, no freeze, no glitches, runs smooth like a baby's bottom:D
Canmake a tutorial how to use safe efix, w/o BIOS flash.
xenover 2 years ago
Tried GTA IV today, was able to play for an hour with 1.143 Voltages ( 1.203 still crashed)
xenover 2 years ago
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sadsunintherain 2 years ago
do they have a fix for my xfx ati 4850 512mb please reply ;)
Ultragamernumba1 2 years ago
I don't know. Search fix at support sapphire page.
rafas03 2 years ago
i got an xfx not an sapphire one
Ultragamernumba1 2 years ago
lol~ its cos you raised it too high~ duh~
zomgbbqwth 2 years ago
it was bios problem, read comments...
rafas03 2 years ago
i have the same card at native settings and never have this problem~ using latest ccc~ :D
its your card freq setting~ :D
zomgbbqwth 2 years ago
Maybe you buy card with new firmware :)
rafas03 2 years ago
i'm sorry bro~ i'll give you my sapphire 4870 card~
zomgbbqwth 2 years ago
My card works fine. On the movie you see how they worked with old FW.
rafas03 2 years ago
hahahaha
Noahwig 2 years ago
kurwa co za debil nie umiesz frapsa uzywac ??:D
woler18 2 years ago
zakladam, ze mowisz o swoim ojcu, bo ja frapsa potrafie uzywać. Tak wiec debilow i kurw szukaj u siebie w domu.
Tu wygodniej było użyć aparatu, bo niestety poprzednio bios od grafy zawieszał mi kompa.
rafas03 2 years ago
I know the problem it should be the videocard. it is overheated l had the same problem because l overclocked my videocard to much with the stock coling so l upgraded it and it never happend again. Have you overclocked your video card and does this happen with every game ofter a while ?
alenhaparanda 2 years ago
please read comments. It was bug in video card bios! New bios from sapphire fix problem.
rafas03 2 years ago
lol weird
bogan001 2 years ago
LOL thats scary.
How do you update bios on a card?
i have a 8400gs pci, tell me please
MysteryRidahz 2 years ago
Follow the link in my film - "click here for solution howi fix it!"
rafas03 2 years ago
Ok, i don't see what you are talking about???????????
MysteryRidahz 2 years ago
The link is shows on the film since 5second to 35 second.
rafas03 2 years ago
THANKS
MysteryRidahz 2 years ago
new driver, refresh bios
я вообще русский, так что по английски не очень.
Maximko999 2 years ago
try new bios
tkukhar 2 years ago
ehhh... people please read my old comments!
Now I have new bios [about 9 months], and now I haven't problems with this card...
rafas03 2 years ago
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Rockas82 2 years ago
do you have mods on your gta sa , maybe , thats why it laggs
RonnyForum 2 years ago
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are you using vista if you are lol switch to xp and get an nvidia graphics card there better than ati
gameteacher101 2 years ago
I use only XP and this crash was bug in bios of sapphire. Update bios fixed problem.
rafas03 2 years ago
lol x3
AreNyK 2 years ago
rofl :D this bad...
suli64 2 years ago
does it blue screen of death on you right after? I have a similar problem on my gtx 260 core 216, ran fine for a while but now it just stops responding. Driver issues or something. only game I play is gta4 and cod4
unokilo321 2 years ago
lol x2
CornABZ 2 years ago
LOL ;-)
ShortyWSH1 2 years ago
lol
micke123cool 2 years ago
lol
bornforfun07 2 years ago
lol
StuntKing10 2 years ago
lol
xenareo 2 years ago
lol
SomeGuyNamedRobin 2 years ago
lol
rastamic11 2 years ago
lol
drabson11 2 years ago
lol
piotreksalzwedel 2 years ago
lol
nimeni86 2 years ago
lol
crazyboy47 2 years ago
mam ten sam problem i to najczesciej w starszych grach powiedz mi rozwiązałeś już problem bo zastanawiam sie nad wymianą karty na inna
czarek0x 2 years ago
Zmieniłem bios karty graficznej. Kliknij w link z filmu [Click here for solution how fix it]
rafas03 2 years ago
4870 in gta sa = overkill lol man i play likt that two but with 280 sli
masaproductions 2 years ago
hey that happen because you over clock the video card if you use riva tuner you can overclock it to 800 gpu and 1010 the memory
ramfery23 3 years ago
This happened at default clock. It was bug of sapphire bios. Update fixed problems.
rafas03 3 years ago
I'm just curious, why are you using intel xeon as your processor on your computer. They're not meant for games.
sticksquash 2 years ago
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That game sUx LOL
Hongacik 3 years ago
i got same monitor but by Samsung
pawel1818 3 years ago
how can it be "the same" when it´s from another brand ?
ohleck 3 years ago
How can it be the same if its a diffrent brand.
srry 4 my english
Cedrix333 3 years ago
sry its a monitor
ThisVideoIs4you 3 years ago
omfg
deinenvater 3 years ago
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your TV is a sissy
ThisVideoIs4you 3 years ago
where are you see my TV?
rafas03 3 years ago
hey can i do this on my tv
im playing gta sa on ps3 so wat resolution should i use?
thx man
ps3istheshit2 3 years ago
Fuck playstation 3
AlecMayhugh 3 years ago
lol you sound like fag buddy
tell me y ps3 sucks and maybe youll hav a little bit of respect from people
and i know your not gonna bcuz u hav nothing 2 say faggot
ps3istheshit2 3 years ago
MAM TAKI SAM PROBLEM TYLE ŻE Z KARTĄ HD 3450 I TO NA KAZDEJ GRZE. ZAWIESZA SIE POTEM WRACA, A W WINDOWSIE ZMNIEJSZA SIE ROZDZIELCZOSC, PO CHWILI ZAWIESZA SIE NA AMEN. KTOS WIE CO Z TYM ZROBIC?? ZASILACZ TO RACZEJ NIE JEST, BO OSTATNIO POKAZAŁ MI SIE NAWET BLUE SCREEN Z PROBLEMEM PLIKU Atidvag2
Korybut13 3 years ago
Wow i never GTA: SA looked so great :D
artem2922 3 years ago
mialem to samo gowno. zflashowalem bios, ide testowac!
kiewas 3 years ago
i have gainward 4870, i never had any crash, any problem. gainward is clean. :D this is my first ati card, i was an nvidia boy until now. this is indeed a great card.
nimeni86 3 years ago
luckely ive got the club3d hd 4870 overclocked edition :)
x0wn3rx 3 years ago
Same prob here!!
patrickvanhennik 3 years ago
i've a ATI 4870 HD 1Go and no problems for gta and other games !!! it's crazy bug !! =)
ctraxx66 3 years ago
something different happens to my game some letters keep popping up while im playing if some one knows how to solve that problem comment back please
saint1497 3 years ago
tak tak tak mam ten sam problem z wieloma grami !!!!
Huck99992 3 years ago
i have same problem, i just get it back from warranty, this problem is overhead or overclocking to much .anywhere is problem overhead
steven1986b 3 years ago
i had one of these too -.-
Bios Flash and everything is fine now =)
Schirms1 3 years ago
ja mam inny problem: po ok. 30 sek. pojawia mi sie bsod. prosze o pomoc
mkombat999 3 years ago
Witaj, mam taki sam problem, prosze napisz na moje gg 5330469
megarider12 3 years ago
Prosze przegladnij komentarze. Zamiescilem znalezione w sieci rozwiazanie.
rafas03 3 years ago
Kurcze nie stety mało rozumiem, jeżeli byś mógł do mnie napisać na GG bardzo bym był ci wdzięczny.
megarider12 3 years ago
is it only on sapphire cards?
because gta sa is does not have high end graphics
my brother has an asus 8800gt an it gets stuck only on new games like gta iv
please tell i want to know
yuvalpelled 3 years ago
Yes, it's only problem sapphire.
rafas03 3 years ago
loool, have the same problem ^^
secretsucks 3 years ago
Ok mine seems to be working though i only played for about 15 mins, IF your gfx card works on different games like crysis etc. then ur card is ok
install 8.12, new gta 4 patch, install the new bios flash 4 sapphire, during gameplay as soon as it loaded i pressed Ctrl and ESCAPE then loaded the game backup and it seems to be working or at least its working longer b4 it crashed after a minute or 2, so far so good
pppt41 3 years ago
i had same problem, bios flash will fix it. i'm prob never gonna buy a sapphire product again.
moneyall 3 years ago
i think your videocard is overheat.... use "riva tuner" to turn your fan speed higher!!
goro8992 3 years ago
The problem is PowerPlay. Read comments on the second page. There is solution how fix it.
rafas03 3 years ago
Hello
i have the EXACT SAME PROBLEM with the new GTA 4 - ROCKSTAR R A LOAD OF SHIT
the problem is NOT POWERPLAY its NOT updating the figgin bios and i have the latest 8.12 DRIVER for the ati 4870 the card does NOT overheat, i have 4GB RAM @ 1066mhz, q6600 @ 3Ghz
no O.C on the gpu - CRYSIS RUNS FINE so does many other games its these crap Rockstar ones, any suggestions??????????????
pppt41 3 years ago
Wait for patch from Rockstar
rafas03 3 years ago
i've flashed the bios and the problem still exists after patching GTA IV
Sens3nmann 3 years ago
oh no!
nsasha96 3 years ago
nvidia
playstationRLZ 3 years ago 2
LOL
steelD0wnage 3 years ago
bios problem ati i chancge my hd 4870 i m useing now gt 260amp max core
FredyFire90 3 years ago
Similar problems for me in all games I play. My system works fine when I put my slow 8800gt back in though. If they can't get it fixed in the December update I'm back to Nvidia.
VTEC420 3 years ago
u just need to speed up your gpu fan a little...to 50% (700rpm) or more...i have same problem on TDU..on my 8800gts 512mb...
pinkbubblebutt 3 years ago
Not an overheating issue issue for me, I played with my 4870 @ 100% fan and had the same problem, although I couldn't hear my games over the shop vac sound.
VTEC420 3 years ago
u need to make the memory clock just a little higher so its stable
x3brian187 3 years ago
rafas03,
THANK YOU VERZ MUCH MAN!!
i don t have the freeze problem anymore!
all with this problem should try it !
thanks alot again!
mercur999 3 years ago
Thank you!!!!!!! I can now play X3:Reunion and X3:Terran Conflict :D:D
AsherBen 3 years ago
also mine problem is solved now! thanks you a lot, now i finally can play crysis without bluescreens!!
@igor: the first time i started the pc after setting the Hz to 750, i had to reset it to 750, cause it was turned back to 500...
Tomorrow, when I started the pc, it was automatically set to 750, I don't know why...
Maybe because i modified the file called "profile", I didn't create another one. It seems going on very well =)
91Shots 3 years ago
WoW ! I can´t belive that myproblem is solved! Thank you very much! =D But every time e i reboot my pc, i have to open the catalyst control center and them select my profile.
There is a way to define the standart 2D fequency to 750MHz? Whem my windows get started, it is set up as 500Mhz.
igorsmc2 3 years ago
Thank you very much! Another 4870 saved!
PD: The profile have to aply twice to get 750Mhz... i don't know why but... MY 4870 NOW ROCKS!!! thanks!
jaozze 3 years ago 2
can you give me a link to know how you did it?
im desperate with the same problem
jaozze 3 years ago
Try "disabling" powerplay yourprofile.xml:
Feature name="CoreClockTarget_0"
Property name="Want_0" value="50000"
Property name="Want_1" value="50000"
Property name="Want_2" value="75000"
to:
Feature name="CoreClockTarget_0"
Property name="Want_0" value="75000"
Property name="Want_1" value="75000"
Property name="Want_2" value="75000"
rafas03 3 years ago
very thank you man, i had the same problem but now my 48700 is good, thank you very much :)
neoonik16 3 years ago 2
Your profile is at:
windows XP >> C:\Documents and Settings\username \Local Settings\Application Data\ATI\ACE\profile created .XML
windows vista >> C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\ATI\ACE\profile created .XML
rafas03 3 years ago
You must change values 50000 (500 MHz - Mode 2D) to 75000 (750 MHz - Mode 3D)
rafas03 3 years ago
Write in google "CoreClockTarget_0" and you find links. I can't put links to the comments :/
rafas03 3 years ago
the build i am making is almost the same as yours. and i was wondering if a 550W psu is enough? or should i get 650W??
AshKilamande 3 years ago
Ok so I have the same card and it works well, but wen I messd with ati overdirve and used auto-tune(auto-tune decided that for my system, the gpu clock to 820 and memoru clock to 1150, are fine) it workd fine in 3dmark06 and in other programs but when I tried to play (let's say oblivion)it crashed after 1 min. So i put my card to stok setings(GPU clock 750, memory clock 900) ad guess what:) it didnt crash any more. So if u oveclocked your card just a little bit this might be the problem;).
allmighty20 3 years ago
Card, processor and other components workd at default setting.
rafas03 3 years ago
Try disable ATI Powerplay.
My crashes get fixed when i disable it!
Search a tutorial in Google
hardxbone 3 years ago
BIOS mod? I have new card... It has a few days.
rafas03 3 years ago
Not BIOS MOD, just a custom profile that you create to equal gpu clock speed in all instances, 2D and 3D.
hardxbone 3 years ago
Thanks,
I disabled powerplay and now works fine. No crash, no artefacts.
rafas03 3 years ago
nice, one more 4870 save!!
hardxbone 3 years ago
Guess you have to wait for a hotfix...
ish718 3 years ago
Only crash in this game???
LCNitro 3 years ago
Yes,
Battlefied 2, Battlefield 2042, Need for Speed Underground 2 works good - no crash, no artefacts or black screens.
Benchmarks 3DMark 03, 05, 06, FurMark 1.4 no problems.
rafas03 3 years ago