Its simple. the rest of the world works cheaper than we do for the same amount of work. Its not nafta or unions. Read about the fed reserve and how the military has reaped trillions, thats a good place to start.
Most of the union leaders are ideological socialists. They are rigid and exploit the union members for political gain. Socialism is their religion and the Democrat party is their church. They care about nothing else. They are vicious and self destructive in the worst ways .
I have driven past, walked past and upon the ruins of several of these places.
Most notably, what used to be the worlds longest auto assembly line.
Many of my family members worked at these places.
The cities that housed these sites, have been driven out by many forces.
The effects are still coming in waves. It wasn't just the auto companies that closed, it was also the bars, resturants, stores, pharmacies, gas stations, hospitals, schools, etc, etc, etc.
Union-laden Germany is surprisingly doing fairly well compared to other western countries while maintaining a strong Mittelstand. You're forgetting the fact that the world evolves. Technology replaces manual labor all over the world.
@dorkydork79 Almost every worker in Europe belongs to a union. I don’t think they stack up very well against the U.S. but we seem to be trying to emulate them. Don’t forget that Europe is the continent that produced Hitler, Stalin and many other murderous tyrants.
The economy is way too complex to pinpoint it to 2 reasons. You missed outsourcing, stock market speculation, mergers...
Stop blaming the unions. You think money managers or stock brokers are worth millions of dollars while successfully running their company into the ground?
@dorkydork79 Labor Unions (with government help) are responsible for destroying millions jobs and tens of thousands of businesses all over the world. The jobs lost have caused unspeakable human misery. The amount of destruction brought about by socialists and their labor unions needs to be exposed as a major atrocity.
Designergy44 ... I too lived in Michigan (born and raised there). Consider the pictures WITHOUT providing the knee-jerk reaction symptomatic of the conditioning you received in your university political science classes. You reference this slide show as “simplistic and nonsensical” (typical leftist dogma) while offering no solutions (labeling the points made as being “Right Wing” which, relative to your world, makes anything said irrelevant).
@MrTB57 Sorry, I did not take political science in college. I have a BS in agriculture. I have seen firsthand rampant union featherbedding in the auto industry. I have seen union support of slackers and drug addicts. I have seen union pay raised far above market value for the work performed. The auto is not only industry driven out of business by the Democrats and Unions. My thesis is that the Democrats and Unions are directly responsible for the economic devastation seen in Michigan.
I grew up in Lansing in the 60s and 70s. Your portrayal of the economic boom and bust of the Michigan economy as attributable to partisan politics is absurdly simplistic and nonsensical. It's time you and the rest of right-wing America get a grip on history, economics, and politcal science. I'm a design engineer and could have told you 15 years ago we were heading for an economic downfall. But not for the reasons you espouse. The only way out is through the Center; not the Right nor the Left.
I spent 18 years in Flint Michigan from 1967 to 1985. I saw it all first hand. My son still lives in Flint so I make periodic visits. The devastation is appalling. As far as I am concerned, it is obvious that it was caused by the Democrats and Unions raising wages far above market value for work performed. It was actually collusion between Government (Democrats), Capital (industry) and Labor(Unions) against the consumer. You should be able to see this yourself.
Its simple. the rest of the world works cheaper than we do for the same amount of work. Its not nafta or unions. Read about the fed reserve and how the military has reaped trillions, thats a good place to start.
124slowhand 1 month ago
what is that its that true
guyedmarpatilano 2 months ago
Most of the union leaders are ideological socialists. They are rigid and exploit the union members for political gain. Socialism is their religion and the Democrat party is their church. They care about nothing else. They are vicious and self destructive in the worst ways .
88whoisjohngalt 1 year ago 2
I have driven past, walked past and upon the ruins of several of these places.
Most notably, what used to be the worlds longest auto assembly line.
Many of my family members worked at these places.
The cities that housed these sites, have been driven out by many forces.
The effects are still coming in waves. It wasn't just the auto companies that closed, it was also the bars, resturants, stores, pharmacies, gas stations, hospitals, schools, etc, etc, etc.
Let's talk NAFTA & CAFTA, too!
quaffer22 1 year ago
Thanks for the clearification. No problem and Merry Christmas to you too. :)
88whoisjohngalt 1 year ago
Union-laden Germany is surprisingly doing fairly well compared to other western countries while maintaining a strong Mittelstand. You're forgetting the fact that the world evolves. Technology replaces manual labor all over the world.
dorkydork79 1 year ago
@dorkydork79 Almost every worker in Europe belongs to a union. I don’t think they stack up very well against the U.S. but we seem to be trying to emulate them. Don’t forget that Europe is the continent that produced Hitler, Stalin and many other murderous tyrants.
88whoisjohngalt 1 year ago
The economy is way too complex to pinpoint it to 2 reasons. You missed outsourcing, stock market speculation, mergers...
Stop blaming the unions. You think money managers or stock brokers are worth millions of dollars while successfully running their company into the ground?
dorkydork79 1 year ago
@dorkydork79 Labor Unions (with government help) are responsible for destroying millions jobs and tens of thousands of businesses all over the world. The jobs lost have caused unspeakable human misery. The amount of destruction brought about by socialists and their labor unions needs to be exposed as a major atrocity.
88whoisjohngalt 1 year ago 4
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erictheviking871 1 year ago
@erictheviking871 That is not very good name calling. It doesn’t make much sense. You should be able to do better.
88whoisjohngalt 1 year ago
@88whoisjohngalt i offer my appologies sir,my reply was not for you,but some one else.its a joke among freinds.merry xmas sir.
erictheviking871 1 year ago
Designergy44 ... I too lived in Michigan (born and raised there). Consider the pictures WITHOUT providing the knee-jerk reaction symptomatic of the conditioning you received in your university political science classes. You reference this slide show as “simplistic and nonsensical” (typical leftist dogma) while offering no solutions (labeling the points made as being “Right Wing” which, relative to your world, makes anything said irrelevant).
The state is polarized (there is no way out now).
MrTB57 1 year ago
@MrTB57 Sorry, I did not take political science in college. I have a BS in agriculture. I have seen firsthand rampant union featherbedding in the auto industry. I have seen union support of slackers and drug addicts. I have seen union pay raised far above market value for the work performed. The auto is not only industry driven out of business by the Democrats and Unions. My thesis is that the Democrats and Unions are directly responsible for the economic devastation seen in Michigan.
88whoisjohngalt 1 year ago
I grew up in Lansing in the 60s and 70s. Your portrayal of the economic boom and bust of the Michigan economy as attributable to partisan politics is absurdly simplistic and nonsensical. It's time you and the rest of right-wing America get a grip on history, economics, and politcal science. I'm a design engineer and could have told you 15 years ago we were heading for an economic downfall. But not for the reasons you espouse. The only way out is through the Center; not the Right nor the Left.
designergy44 1 year ago
@designergy44
I spent 18 years in Flint Michigan from 1967 to 1985. I saw it all first hand. My son still lives in Flint so I make periodic visits. The devastation is appalling. As far as I am concerned, it is obvious that it was caused by the Democrats and Unions raising wages far above market value for work performed. It was actually collusion between Government (Democrats), Capital (industry) and Labor(Unions) against the consumer. You should be able to see this yourself.
88whoisjohngalt 1 year ago