The real Macedonia, the ancient Macedonia, is (If we taking a map from now time) from the sea of Greece, to the Greek border, and a little longer - a little longer -. I think it is about 2/3 that is in Greece, but some of the land is going longer, over the Greek border into the "MACEDONIAN COUNTRY" but not long in there. And many maps where the Macedonians in acient time where big, they had more land down in Greece, south, than up to the slav land, north. My oppinion = Macedonian, most Greece.
@forevermkd What do you know about Argead or Temenids dynasty?Which nationality was Aristotle?He born in 384 BC at Stagira,Chalcidice,do you know where was Stagira city?Do you know about Heraclea Lygistis city at Bitola,in your country?Something else,DO NOT BLOCK COMMENTS!Νot right to hide the truth!Do you know about the etymology of the name Thessalonikι???
Веќе никој не им верува дури ни сопстевниот народ на грчките политичари.
Додека бевме во Југославија никој ништо не смееше да рече сега сите станаат јаки.
Во грција има само 1 вистана , а тоа е дека се најмрзливиот народ во свет и благодарение на европската унија сеуште не банкротирале , 24 пати се спасија од банкрот ама дај боже овој пат да отидат па да ги видам тогаш како ќе молат. Не за џабе се вика ДУЖЕН СИ КО ГРЧКА !
7:47 and 8:48 refer the name of the Geographical region not the name of a country or a nation... Please don't try to manipulate and trick people with those pathetic ways "smart guy" I'm greek and i'm proud, I also respect your country and your people but you really need to do some historical research way back from 1870... to find the truth... Make a visit to ancient ΒΕΡΓΙΝΑ and ancient ΠΕΛΛΑ ;))
If you former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians living in what was once ancient Paeonia keep harassing Greeks with your historical gibberish (in particular Maceodnian ones), then "Macedonia" will eventually be "United"..... by being annexed to Greece.
Yours ancestors once came to Macedonia and Greece on the other, caused evil to us, and had not suffered any crime previously by us.So I was elected leader of the Greeks and because I wanted to punish the Persians I spent in Asia, because you did the first hostile authority.
THIS IS A MESSAGE WROTEN TO GREEK SENTED TO PERSIANS.THIS IS A SMALL PART OF THE MESSAGE.SLAVS CAME IN EUROPE THE 6TH CENTURY A.D AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GEOGRAPHICAL PART OF GREECE,MAKEDONIA
WOW.1875.HOW OLD.A FUCKING AUTHOR THAT IS ONLY RECOGNISED BY HIS MOTHER.THIS IS WHAT ALEXANDER WROTE TO DAREIOS.Οι δικοί σας πρόγονοι αφού ήρθαν στη Μακεδονία και την άλλη Ελλάδα, προξένησαν κακά σε εμάς, ενώ δεν είχαν πάθει κανένα αδίκημα πρωτύτερα από εμάς. Εγώ δε αφού εκλέχτηκα αρχηγός των Ελλήνων και επειδή ήθελα να τιμωρήσω τους Πέρσες πέρασα στην Ασία, επειδή εσείς πρώτοι κάνατε εχθρική αρχή
Why do the people o the former Yugoslav republic hide the fact they use to SELF-IDENTIFY as ethnic Bulgarians if you are doing nothing morally wrong?
Krste Misirkov: "We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves."[...]'And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?
@DoraMacedonia UNFORTUNATELY !!! Since 1913, and REMEMBER IT, for the first and only time in whole history, since 1913, the largest part of MACEDONIA was granted to Greece, by the most influential countries in Europe, only and only because of their own Geo strategic interests at that moment. Until 1913, never ever has any part of MACEDONIA been Greek territory but vice verse, whole Greece has been occupied and made Macedonian territory (so as many others states and territories).
You former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians of the former Yugoslavia live primary in ancient paeonia not Macedonia. However if you want to "unite" with THE Macedonia.... Macedonians will be glad to oblige and annex it to Greece.
@GemistusPletho Now, I know that you can not read in your school books about how "noble" role had your country taken (so as Bg. and Sr.) in liberating of my country and my people. Here, I can add that a lot of Macedonians helped Greek, Bulgaria and Serbia in their struggle for liberty and independence. Vice versa, you stabbed a knife in our back during our struggle. Very noble, indeed. You occupied and broke apart my country. That's why you are now speaking of my country as for ancient Paeonia.
@Georgios763 You can see clearly in the case of Philotas trial in front of the Macedonian army, when asked by Alexander whether he will use his native (MACEDONIAN) language, Philotas answer is : "Besides the Macedonians, there are many present who, I think, will find what I am going to say easier to understand if I use the language (Greek) you yourself have been using, YOUR PURPOSE, I BELIEVE, BEING ONLY TO ENABLE MORE PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND YOU". Now, do you have a brain to work this out ???
@Georgios763 As I can see, Greece doesn't really exist even now. You still got that "city state mentality". Macedonia means something and somebody who really fucked up (not Greece-because it doesn't existed in those times- but) Greeks. And Macedonia did fucked up Greeks and did it really bad, so now I feel even a need to apologize to you. I am truly sorry for that but those were such a turbulent times so that probably couldn't be avoided.
@Georgios763 Yeah, sure they spoke Greek but, they had their own language, too. Thats what Philotas was referring at. Soon, you will be able to hear and read about that much, much more.
Ok if you insist, they had their own language. ( i don't accept this but let's follow that option )
Does that make you more Macedonians since you are Slavs ?
The modern Greek language is based on ancient Greek. Your language is Slavic which is a gap here.
What Philotas said, it is mentioned by Quintus Curtius Rufus who was a Roman after 400 years of Alexander's achievements. So the Romans used to say divide and conquer, just like globalization today does.
@Georgios763 I never ever denied my Slavic roots. But, where are the antique Macedonians (and the rest of the ethnicities, for that matter) who lived on this territory. Are they totally exterminated ( no evidence at all), are the shipped to the Moon (no evidence,too) or they are simply mixed up with the invaders ( as it is a case everywhere else). Simply enough ?
Simply my friend, you have nothing in common with Macedonia. The one simple thing that you don't understand is that the Greeks don't claim to be Alexander's grand children. You do that and that's insane.
I don't claim being a ''true'' Macedonian.
All i am saying and writing is that Macedonia 's birth and history belong to the Greek continuity.
Those about the roots of Macedonia. We can discuss the today's political problem if you like, if our friend here won't block me :)
@Georgios763 Really, do you know who is claiming what in this case? You (your government-not our) used history even in the lawsuit in Hague. We don't ask from you to change the name of your (now your) province of Macedonia. Off course it is Macedonia. But this here is Macedonia, too. You don't let us to be Macedonia. And that is a political problem. And it is a strange one.
@Georgios763 And there is no other Macedonians anywhere in the World (not in Greece, too), who speak Macedonian language and who are Macedonian born citizens. Yours, so called, Macedonians ( that emerged lately) can only be Greek Macedonians because their birth language is Greek.
Not to mention that couple decades a go you didn't want even to mention the name MACEDONIA (why was that?),and your scholars didn't want to allow the statue of Alexander to be posted in Athena (why was that, too?)
You don't speak Macedonian, you are not Macedonians !!!!
Where is the Kingdom of Prilet ?
Where is Vardarska Banovina ??
I have asked you several questions and you answered nothing !!!!
All you claim is about Greek politicians who are just puppets and traitors. 95% of the Greeks don't accept you. Do you know that Gruevski is Greek ?? Is that by accident ?
Your region isn't Macedonian. All Macedonian stones that has been found speak Greek and no other language.
@Georgios763 Ohhh, you really disappointed me now. Do I here xenophobic words , even paranoiac words here. Do not worry, no body will take Macedonia away from you. What I was referring earlier about returning of the land and properties to the Macedonians is a concern of a human rights. And that should be a case everywhere in the World. The Governments should guarantee the private property to every citizen, not to rob them, no matter how different they are.
@Georgios763 Your country will be much more stable and recognized if you make your politicians stop stealing your money, if they stop throwing your money on weapons just to buy support (from France, Germany, Russia, USA etc.) for they to continue with robing you. That"s why they are throwing such ridiculous issues on so you can't see the forest because of the tree in front of you.
If you want to move forth, find a name according to your language and your history and don't try to steal an ancient name. You don't need something ancient to move to the new.
@Georgios763 But we are born as Macedonians, In Macedonia as sovereign country and we are speaking Macedonian language. ( REMEMBER : NOT ANTIQUE MACEDONIA, NOT ANTIQUE MACEDONIANS, NOT ANTIQUE MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE).
WHY (AND HOW CAN WE) SHOULD WE CHANGE THAT AS A FACT !?
Because it's an ancient name that doesn't belong to you.
If we accept that, the new generations will learn that Macedonians were Slavs and not Greeks. It's very simple as you see. And beyond that, maybe in 50 years a madman of your country may claim to free Macedonia so we go on war !!
You are Vardarians and not Macedonians. You are Bulgarians and Slavs.
@Georgios763 You keep telling me what I am and that is called fascism.
You believe your politicians that such a small country as is The Republic of Macedonia with population of only 2 mil. people is a treat to your country?
If you do, well I can't help you. You should know better. I already explained that to you. That's just a way of your politicians to keep robing you.
You can call yourself as you want except Macedonian because i am Macedonian so i can't give you my identity.
Was your country called Vardarska ? I 'm not saying something that never happened. You are accusing me as a Gypsy. So, i thing you are the Nazi in here.
Do you think that people all over the world concern about your name ?
Your country is recognized by politicians who serve other purposes. Be suspicious please. You are 50 years old and i am a man who respects older people than me. I 'm sorry if i insulted you. I am not that kind of person.
Just look at the Macedonian artifacts that have been found. There never recorded a ''Macedonian'' language.
All of your arguments are based in 19th century. That means something.
@Georgios763 As for the History matters, it should be left to the historians to deal with it, and to deal with it objectively, without hiding artefact's and findings that doesn't suite political purposes (and I speak here for all historians in general, not just ours or yours). Then and only than we can find out that the History can be very funny and amusing matter, and even a matter that can make us very close as countries ( as we, geographically speaking, already are).
@Georgios763 Yes, you have a province named Macedonia and that is not a problem, not for us (we don't claim on the exclusivity of the term Macedonia). Since you are Greeks above all and your native language is Greek language, than you should use the term Greek Macedonians for the people populating the Greek part of Macedonia and nobody has a problem .
The other side is very plain and simple. There is just one country at the moment (not two, three or more countries) that is named The Republic of Macedonia, and that is a fact.
If you, as a country I mean, decide to change your name from Greece into Macedonia, than we really got a problem. This way I really can't see what problem do you have with my country being The Republic of Macedonia.
@Georgios763 Thank you for your respect and I respect you, too.(regardless on your age) But, we are talking deferent languages here. You are speaking historical language all the time and that's not bad, except it should be a language that historians will use more than we as a common persons should use it.
@Georgios763 Please feel you are invited as a guest of mine (on my expense, off course) to come and show them to me. I would be honored if you can find them. If you do that you may even earn a NOBEL PRIZE for RESEARCH.
@Georgios763 Until that day comes, you feel you are invited in a nice town by the Ohrid Lake and on the banks of the Crn Drim, where the food is great (and cheap - so is the petrol), the nature is awesome and the locals are warm and friendly.
@Georgios763 Off course, no one in the World can claim to be a "True Antique" Macedonian and we have never claimed that. First of all, it is a question of History ( not political) to gave some answers on that. But you are the ones, trying to suggest that deferent ethnicities have come and gone from this territories without leaving any traces at all. We (both Macedonians and Greeks) are such a mixture of genes that it is probably much better not to touch that issue( but so are the other nations)
@Georgios763 Speaking as you do, I should say that you wanted identity different from Gypsies, so you tried to distance from them making your present identity and you gave whole World a problem.
No, no my friend. That is not a way to talk anybody in this World, we are all entitled to live under the same sky. Stop looking for enemies, try to look for friends.
Ok. We are Gypsies as you started the same bullshit again without answering anything i 've asked.
Your sky is your Vardarian sky. My sky is my Macedonian sky, my Macedonian sea, my Macedonian land and all of them are historically, politically and totally Greek.
Exactly. If you study the banking system, you will learn what is going on. You are thinking like a chauvinist who enjoys other's catastrophe. So, don't play it a lefty one because you act like a faschist.
Your territory was never Macedonian. Your territory in ancient times was called Dardania and southern to the borders with Macedonia was Paeonia. Ancient Macedonia was the today's Macedonia in the Greek state.
And of course i am a Greek Macedonian since being a Macedonian means being Greek. These things are combined.
Your capital Skopje, was the ancient city Scupi and there never was in Macedonia.
You only claim being Macedonian without arguments.
@Georgios763 You are probably talking about this map ( mapas.owje.com/maps/783_map-of-macedonia-thrace-illyria-moesia-and-dacia.html ). It is OK to say that Skopje wasn't within the borders of Ancient Macedonia but, you are not commenting on the issue sincerely, since almost whole other territory of The Republic of Macedonia is within the borders of Ancient Macedonia ( and speaking on this issue you are even harder than your Government , since they recognized that )
I 'm sorry but once again you are mistaken and i insist. Ancient Macedonian borders were almost today's Macedonia that lays in Greece. Macedonia in the Byzantine empire was in Thrace. So, something isn't right.
And i asked you some questions and i am waiting for an answer
1. What happened to Vardarska and Kingdom of Prilet ?
2. If you want to be part in the new world, why then you are seeking for an ancient name ?
@Georgios763 The link I gave you is from a Greek site I suppose. If you can't understand the map and the borders of the territories in it, then you should seek help from somebody who is able to do so. My country (territory), besides the Ottoman occupation, was under Serbian and Bulgarian occupation, too. It was called Vardarska under Serbian occupation, and that is not an ancient History so, to manipulate with it.
@Georgios763 We are actual Macedonia and Macedonians, here and now, and if You, as Greek Macedonians prefer to be Ancient Macedonians, that is alright with us. It just might be a perfect solution for your name.
All the historic matters I addressed, being only to help you see, 'cause you are blindfolded by your Government with all those fabrications and theories about pure nations (Nazi theories) that you can read about in already mentioned book of Martin Bernal.
As far as I can tell it is the FYROM government that is the one obsessed with purity and trying to claim themselves related to ancient Macedonians (self-identifying Greeks). Its precisely why FYROM government hide their ethnic Bulgarian heritage and call themselves "Macedonians".
@Georgios763 In fact no! The Macedonian theme was modern FYROM, Greek Macedonia "Pripet Macodonia" ans some parts of modern Albania -or all of it, I can't remember! There was theme of Thrace in Byzadioum and it was the modern Eastern Thrace -and part of Western and "Bulgarian" Thrace!!
@Georgios763 The only big mistake Alexander made is that he meant speaking Greek language the Greek will understand him better, but him being Macedonian the Greeks have never understood-ed him and will never ever understand him, at all.
@Georgios763 Well, it's very obvious that you are not only blind but you have a huge mental problem, too. As our conversation now, it is in English (And That Doesn't Make Us Englishmen or Americans), that was the case during Alexanders times. The Greek language was widely spoken during those times so they used it to be able to communicate with all those who were defeated and later included to fight for Alexander (and a lot of them were Greeks, remember).
I am 3 years old :) .... and yes i believe in Gods since the Greek Gods represented the forces of nature. i was expecting something more from you.
I hope you know that there never has been a translator between Macedonians and the rest of Greeks simply because all of them were Greeks.
What Philotas ( Greek name too ) answered to Alexander about his mother tongue, was once again about the dialect. Greek nations were speaking different dialects since the koine Hellenic.
@Georgios763 Oh, come on. There are a number of dialects of every language in every country in the World but, since they origin from the same language nobody ever even mentioned them, especially not in such a connotation as in the Philotas case it was.
There was no need of translators since whole Macedonian Royalty ( so as it was a case with Persian Royalty , too ) spoke very fluent Greek language.
I just wonder why don't you say that Persians were Greek, too.
@Georgios763 You should know that Alexander The Great is best known (except for his military skills) exactly on those matters. He really was a man of the World. He included all occupied territories in his Kingdom, he didn't enslave them.
How come those names (Alexander, Phillip etc. are Greek? Because you say so ? What about distinction with the surnames between Macedonians and Greeks ? ( Macedonians had their surnames by their fathers origin, and Greeks by their birthplaces ).
The part of Macedonia that you occupied was ethnically cleansed from Macedonians (I mean real Macedonians) in several occasions and re-populated with your Greeks expelled from Turkey. (and there is no way they can now be Macedonians, they know nothing of Macedonia) So, the overwhelming majority of your "so called Macedonians" does not have roots in Macedonia (rather in Turkey or on some Greek islands).
There are thousands of Macedonians now claiming for their properties in Greece. They all have proper documents of their ownership and it is matter of time when your government will have to gave them back their properties.
Bullshit (and you Nazis won't get a cent for trying to eradicate us twice in 10 years) You Nazis just used "persecution" games to evade the fact you used to SELF-IDENIFIED as ethnic Bulgarians.
'Why are we ashamed and flee from the truth that whole positive Macedonian revolutionary tradition comes exactly from exarchist part of Macedonian people? We shall not say a new truth if we mention the fact that everyone, Gotse Delchev, Dame Gruev, Gjorche Petrov, Pere Toshev - must I list and count all of them - were teachers of the Bulgarian Exarchate in Macedonia.' - former Prime Minister of FYROM, Ljubco Georgievski, 2007, in his book 'Facing the truth'
You are delusional. You are former Bulgarians that lost your identity to your hatred of Greeks. The words of your own national hero Krste Misirkov. “We are Bulgarian more than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria. The population of Skopje is pure Bulgarian"
@GemistusPletho Ok, wise guy, whether I am MACEDONIAN just for the last three minutes, it is not up to you to decide that I am not MACEDONIAN, you got it. Now, do you know when and how is your Greek nation formed ( by the way, and how did you got your nation's name). Well, not earlier then some of my gran gran grandfathers started to name themselves as Macedonians. Why we could not free ourselves earlier then you and make an independent country earlier then you, that is another story.
@GemistusPletho Ok, wise guy, whether I am MACEDONIAN just for the last three minutes, it is not up to you to decide that I am not MACEDONIAN, you got it. Now, do you know when and how is your Greek nation formed ( by the way, and how did you got your nation's name). Well, not earlier then some of my gran gran grandfathers started to name themselves as Macedonians. Why we could not free ourselves earlier then you and make an independent country earlier then you, that is another story.
@GemistusPletho Ok, wise guy, whether I am MACEDONIAN just for the last three minutes, it is not up to you to decide that I am not MACEDONIAN, you got it. Now, do you know when and how is your Greek nation formed ( by the way, and how did you got your nation's name). Well, not earlier then some of my gran gran grandfathers started to name themselves as Macedonians. Why we could not free ourselves earlier then you and make an independent country earlier then you, that is another story.
@tisbales Go learn some history buddy, All started since "1 million people where forced out from Anadolia , Ottoman empire, to today Greek region Aegean Macedonia, the people where Greek , so they settled in Aegean Macedonian which was not a Greek territory.1913 Macedonia was divided , Aegean Macedonian was given to the Greeks by the 1913 treaty of bucharest, Bulgarians took Pirin Macedonia , Serbia took Vardarska Macedonia. This is a fact dumb ass , go read a history book noob
@TheEvengard blah blah show me the facts not propaganda write what you want you know who you really are a skopian slavic thief now thats fact before the 7th century what where you and where were you not in macedonia cause it was a hellinic state FACT you dint exist as a race or as culture, fuck 1913 and fuck turkey and also fuck tito with his propaganda thats got all you screaming monkeydonkeyah
@tisbales i have stated lots of facts that u dont belong in Solun , Aegean Macedonia , and second of all im Italian not Macedonian , but what are you doing to the Macedonians is terrible, not u actually you but your government . Be thankful to the super powers , what they did for u . Second of all the DNA of today Macedonians in Macedonia shows that 30 % of them have ancient DNA , and the DNA done to the Greeks show 0 % , their DNA shows Ethiopian connection, thats a fact.
@tisbales show u that fact , not propaganda u say ? , your country teaches children at school for 100 years that they belong and are Macedonians , thats a true propaganda my friend
@tisbales Hey why don't you go to 7.00m in and watch from there. You will see for yourself what your own Geography books said before your country went broke from your bullshit propaganda campaign. just watch it for yourself and then cry in your room when you realise your as stupid as all your people . Your own school books said we were Macedonians. See for yourself. Not slavs , we were the state of Macedonia in Yugoslavia to fight hitler. Just like the state of Serbia was in Yugoslavia.IDIOT
@Theevengard -Hey why don't you go to 7.00m in and watch from there. You will see for yourself what your own Geography books said before your country went broke from your bullshit propaganda campaign. just watch it for yourself and then cry in your room when you realise your as stupid as all your people . Your own school books said we were Macedonians. See for yourself. Not slavs , we were the state of Macedonia in Yugoslavia to fight hitler. Just like the state of Serbia was in Yugoslavia.IDIOT
@tisbales Your own words speak about yourself much better then anybody else can explain to you. So, try to use decent words in your communications and you might ( just might ) become a decent person one day. Until then, you look like you are a much closer relative to the prehistoric humans then to the ancient greeks.
@tisbales Evan the name Skopje - old Skupi is older then any Greek state from ancient times , so by calling Macedonians Skopjans u'r humiliation fails
@tisbales Poor greeks not having fact thinking that statements like fyromian,monkeydonian,skopian and so will prove that they are right.HAHAHAHAHA gypsy idiots.And please dont tell us ancian story's don't go that far just go back in 1980's and learn from your geography and history book's of that time who is who and where is MACEDONIA.
Are the original documents "censorship and spamming" for you? Look at 7:46 and the rest of the documents.... everywhere you are calling my country Macedonia, so what's the problem now?
Before 1944 it was Macedonia as a geographical territory, see what wrote Pulevski in 1875.... "The Macedonians also are a nation and the place which is theirs is called Macedonia". There are tons of old maps of the region of Macedonia (as we today call it United Macedonia).
*I don't talk about the origin of the Ancient Macedonians, it's history and I talk about geography. The origin of the Ancient Macedonians has no connection with the fact that the name of my country is Rep. of Macedonia.
@DALAMYIAN, It was paeonia in the Ancient time, the modern time its part of the geographical region of Macedonia. So we live in ancient or modern time?
@forevermkd were is the geographical reagion on modern times in greece or in vardaska ?did before the 1944 was makedonia or anothere name ? how you use a name that did not belong to you ? how you try to inplemend a history for your area that cosindering end taken parts of 2 diferend nasionalitys ? wy try to stil a name that have inplemend to the area only on 1944 communist conference ? how i stay inactive wen you try to use a name that belong to me end my ancestors ? that is the morden times .
I really can not understand you, do you have eyes dude?
I REVEALED that propaganda about our "name Vardarska before 1944", did you saw it on the video? If yes... what's wrong now?
Did you see what wrote Pulevski many years before the communism.... he wrote that MACEDONIANS also are a NATION and the place which is theirs is called MACEDONIA. It was in 1875 when there was nigher communism nor Tito.... so do you see that you are brainwashed or you're that stupid that you can not realize eve that?
@forevermkd realy puleski have wrote that for the bulgarians becuse was bulagarian like kaltsef with the blesing of the russia that time for to gain axeess on the aigaian see for that reason was the acord of san stefano betuin the russia end turkey . al of that was end still is slavobulgarian propanganda the makedonias the are branch of the greek ethnos end nothing else you are the the brainwashed end stupid the true is you are makedonian therefore greek or slavobulgarian ?
@Georgios763 Hey why don't you go to 7.00m in and watch from there. You will see for yourself what your own Geography books said before your country went broke from your bullshit propaganda campaign.Just watch it for yourself and then cry in your room when you realise your as stupid as all your people . Your own school books said we were Macedonians. See for yourself. Not slavs , we were the state of Macedonia in Yugoslavia to fight hitler. Just like the state of Serbia was in Yugoslavia.IDIOT
@Georgios763 IF YOU CAN READ (and understand ) your own comments, you should be able to understand the meaning of the word FRUSTRATED. Have a nice day!
I have a nice day thank you. So, now i think you have an explanation for the frustrating issue i suppose. Please, enlighten our horizon once you are the light of Europe.
@Georgios763 (and I really do not mean here to offend Gypsies at all). If you can read your own Ancient Greek historian, so as many Ancient Roman and Jewish historians, geographers and orators( like Diodorus Siculus,Arrian,Isocrates,Demosthenes etc.), you will find out that they wrote, regarding ancient Greeks and ancient Macedonians, as of two different RACES, with Macedonian being the White One. (guess the color of the Greek one ?)
We speak and write exactly as the ancients did. In the matter of fact, we are from them. The entire scientific community signs that not me.
As a literate man you are, you must know that Demosthenes was a barbarian so he had a complex in the barbarity issue.
Don't get confused once again with the color of Greeks because you are red asses and you came here from the North. Actually, 1000 years after Alexander's empire. Pretty much late mature.
@Georgios763 "The ancient Greek historians and geographers from the classical and the post-classical period, Ephoros, Pseudo-Skylax, Dionysius son of Kalliphon and Dionysius Periegetes, all put the northern borders of Greece at the line from the Ambracian Gulf in the West to the Peneios River to the East, THUS EXCLUDING MACEDONIA FROM GREECE". You can find this quote in the book of (your Greek author) Mchael Sakellariou, named "Macedonia: 4000 years of Greek History", p.50. So,read a little bit
The Macedonian civilization was Greek. They were Dorians illiterate ''it''. And if they weren't Greeks they had the right of the self-determination and they called themselves Greeks.
Definetely they weren't Slavs.
There is not one evident of the so called Macedonian language since their stones speak Greek.
You came here 1000 years after Alexander. Wake up and stop make fictions and hypotheses since there are evidents of what is going on.
@Georgios763 Wait, just wait a little longer and you might be very surprised in the near future. 'Cause you can't buy, hide and re-fabricate all the books and all the evidences that will surely come out very soon. Although, one of the causes for your bankruptcy is that one. You were buying (and paying huge money for it) everything that doesn't fit inside your theory of a great Greek nation. Well, the money is gone and Macedonia is (at least this part) free and independent country now.
You are very wrong because the Greek politicians never invested in such thing. On the other hand, all of your money you earn, are invested in your disgusting propaganda while everyone who knows and knows how to read, laughs at you.
And wait for what ? Are you gonna attack Greece ?
Well fucking blind ignorant, come and get it. Your 1st Bulgarian attempt failed. Try your 2nd one.
@Georgios763 Are you angry !? Why !? This is just a friendly exchange of historical (not hysterical) facts and I have never claimed that mine version is THE ALL AND ABSOLUTE TRUTH. Just, it's good for your thinking skills to exchange different views from time to time.
@Georgios763 So, lately, everything that comes out from the mother Earth here in Macedonia stays here in Macedonia and will be presented to the World as it is. That was not the case earlier, when everything that was found here was stolen from Belgrade and Sofia, and then sold, mostly, to Athina.
@Georgios763 I already told you (but you doesn't get it, do you), this letters are English but, that doesn't make us Englishmen or Americans, does it !?
If you look into your roots deeply enough you will find out that your nation is as close to Gypsies as you can get. On the other side, Macedonians, whether we are Slavs (as you prefer - and by the way, you have some Slavic blood in your veins, too - thats why you look a little bit pale lately,not only because your country is bankrupt) or we have further more roots in the ancient Macedonians (as it is more likely to be), anyway we have not any visible connections with Gypsies
As it concerns the Gypsies you claim you little red face who thinks that you are white, ...i am mentioning your filthy and pointless chauvinism atm if you get it, ...the Gypsies are a tribe that they came from India probably BUT they never allowed mixtures in their history. So, either you are an idiot or extremely inhibited !
The bankruptcy though, is global in general and it's about Euro through Greece. I didn't expect from a monkey to realize that too.
@Georgios763 Well, those are just theories. Who knows, Gypsies may come , as you say , from India or ,as a lot of them say, from Egypt ( and so they call themselves - Egypsians/Egyptians). If the later one is correct, then you may find out that you are a very close relative to them, and that doesn't mean you should be ashamed of it.
Speaking about the bankruptcy, no hard feeling, whether you do not block our Euro-Atlantic integrations, maybe even my country would donate some money for you.
@Georgios763 Do you know when and how many names (both topographical and personal) your country has forcefully changed to Macedonians and Macedonian cities, villages, rivers, mountains etc. that are now on your territory ? Why was that necessary ? Did you rise your voice against it ? Did somebody earlier mentioned Nazi's?
Slavs came to the area at 7th century AD nothing more to say i think except that they make themselves look like clowns and illiterate .
hoggg11 4 weeks ago
The real Macedonia, the ancient Macedonia, is (If we taking a map from now time) from the sea of Greece, to the Greek border, and a little longer - a little longer -. I think it is about 2/3 that is in Greece, but some of the land is going longer, over the Greek border into the "MACEDONIAN COUNTRY" but not long in there. And many maps where the Macedonians in acient time where big, they had more land down in Greece, south, than up to the slav land, north. My oppinion = Macedonian, most Greece.
Quacko69 1 month ago
Saying, ancient Macedonia aint Geece, is same as saying ancient Sparta aint Greece.
Quacko69 1 month ago
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@forevermkd What do you know about Argead or Temenids dynasty?Which nationality was Aristotle?He born in 384 BC at Stagira,Chalcidice,do you know where was Stagira city?Do you know about Heraclea Lygistis city at Bitola,in your country?Something else,DO NOT BLOCK COMMENTS!Νot right to hide the truth!Do you know about the etymology of the name Thessalonikι???
panosunde 1 month ago
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panosunde 1 month ago
Веќе никој не им верува дури ни сопстевниот народ на грчките политичари.
Додека бевме во Југославија никој ништо не смееше да рече сега сите станаат јаки.
Во грција има само 1 вистана , а тоа е дека се најмрзливиот народ во свет и благодарение на европската унија сеуште не банкротирале , 24 пати се спасија од банкрот ама дај боже овој пат да отидат па да ги видам тогаш како ќе молат. Не за џабе се вика ДУЖЕН СИ КО ГРЧКА !
kristijan93 2 months ago
7:47 and 8:48 refer the name of the Geographical region not the name of a country or a nation... Please don't try to manipulate and trick people with those pathetic ways "smart guy" I'm greek and i'm proud, I also respect your country and your people but you really need to do some historical research way back from 1870... to find the truth... Make a visit to ancient ΒΕΡΓΙΝΑ and ancient ΠΕΛΛΑ ;))
GrigGrav 3 months ago
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National Geographic maps of the Balkans states 1915 - 2006.
FYROM: HOW A LIE BECOME TRUE
ypruss 3 months ago
gamw ta skopia sou mpine!!!!
manosemd 3 months ago
I feel so sorry about you poor guys (F.Y.R.O.M-ians).
Trying to forge your history, using videos on youtube. Great work.
..just remeber that.. Macedonia IS Greece .. and you can't change that.
Simple.
garbageOnline 3 months ago
MACEDONIA IS GREECE
STOP THAT PATHETIC PROPAGANDA
XristakosOSFP 3 months ago 6
MACEDONIA IS GREAT& GREEKS ARE BANKRUPT HA HA HA HA :-)
vristevski 4 months ago
@vristevski i can buy your family...hahaaaaa!!!!
manosemd 3 months ago
Кажете ми како или каде да го најдам филмов да го симнам?
myGoldenword 5 months ago
@myGoldenword nz brat i jas isto prasuvav ima li na net nekade da se skine pozz
DonKorleone11 3 months ago
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ANCIENT MACEDONIA ALWAYS WAS - AND STILL IS - A TERRITORY
OF N.GREECE, The ancient Macedonians were of Greek
origin and spoke a broader rougher dialect of Greek.
['The Ancient Greeks for Dummies']
HaggisMacfee 5 months ago
PROUD TO BE MACEDONIAN
MACEDONIA FOR MACEDONIANS
UNITED MACEDONIA
jolemak 5 months ago
@jolemak
If you former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians living in what was once ancient Paeonia keep harassing Greeks with your historical gibberish (in particular Maceodnian ones), then "Macedonia" will eventually be "United"..... by being annexed to Greece.
GemistusPletho 4 months ago
Εσεις αποκτησατε αλφαβητο μετα τον Κυριλο και Μεθοδιο!!
Τωρα η προπαγανδα σας δεν εχει οριο...
Ενας ηταν ο βασιλιας και σε λιγο καιρο θα καταλαβετε γιατι μιλαμε...
ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ=ΕΛΛΑΣ ΤΟ ΝΟΥ ΣΑς ...
jimhalk23 5 months ago
Yes a name is a name, and your name is Slavo/vulgaro who dreams of being a true Macedonian.
Macedonia and Macedonians will always be Greek.
Half of FYROM will be part of Albania soon.
futureman12345 5 months ago
@futureman12345 the sooner,the better,greek cousin :-)
valeagathon 5 months ago
@valeagathon Thanks bro, Hellas will prevail.
futureman12345 5 months ago
I am a proud Macedonian♥ dot!
centarmaalo 6 months ago
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Another monkeydonian BLOW JOB to the Americans.
Republic of MAC DONALDS
panosbug 6 months ago
TRANSLATION
Yours ancestors once came to Macedonia and Greece on the other, caused evil to us, and had not suffered any crime previously by us.So I was elected leader of the Greeks and because I wanted to punish the Persians I spent in Asia, because you did the first hostile authority.
THIS IS A MESSAGE WROTEN TO GREEK SENTED TO PERSIANS.THIS IS A SMALL PART OF THE MESSAGE.SLAVS CAME IN EUROPE THE 6TH CENTURY A.D AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GEOGRAPHICAL PART OF GREECE,MAKEDONIA
thessaloniki355 7 months ago
WOW.1875.HOW OLD.A FUCKING AUTHOR THAT IS ONLY RECOGNISED BY HIS MOTHER.THIS IS WHAT ALEXANDER WROTE TO DAREIOS.Οι δικοί σας πρόγονοι αφού ήρθαν στη Μακεδονία και την άλλη Ελλάδα, προξένησαν κακά σε εμάς, ενώ δεν είχαν πάθει κανένα αδίκημα πρωτύτερα από εμάς. Εγώ δε αφού εκλέχτηκα αρχηγός των Ελλήνων και επειδή ήθελα να τιμωρήσω τους Πέρσες πέρασα στην Ασία, επειδή εσείς πρώτοι κάνατε εχθρική αρχή
thessaloniki355 7 months ago
SKOPIA BARDASKA
kats660 7 months ago
SKOPIA BARDASKA SKOPIA BARDASKA
kats660 7 months ago
NO MACEDONIA FOR THE FYROMONKEYS ,, TIMELESS
FYROMINJA 7 months ago
Няма такава нация македонци .. просто са заблудени и натровени от сърбите българи !!!
shogy666 7 months ago
Why do the people o the former Yugoslav republic hide the fact they use to SELF-IDENTIFY as ethnic Bulgarians if you are doing nothing morally wrong?
Krste Misirkov: "We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves."[...]'And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?
GemistusPletho 8 months ago
I love Macedonia!
I love Greece!
Macedonia is Greece.
DoraMacedonia 9 months ago
@DoraMacedonia UNFORTUNATELY !!! Since 1913, and REMEMBER IT, for the first and only time in whole history, since 1913, the largest part of MACEDONIA was granted to Greece, by the most influential countries in Europe, only and only because of their own Geo strategic interests at that moment. Until 1913, never ever has any part of MACEDONIA been Greek territory but vice verse, whole Greece has been occupied and made Macedonian territory (so as many others states and territories).
dpintostruga 9 months ago
@dpintostruga
Where was Macedonia before 1913 ?
Where was Macedonia in the Byzantine Empire ?
Who told you that Greece was a country in ancient times ? Who told you that Macedonia was a country in the ancient time ?
And you dare to criticize me about how to read ?
DO YOU REALLY CAN READ THE ANCIENT MACEDONIAN STONES ?
Georgios763 9 months ago
@dpintostruga
You former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians of the former Yugoslavia live primary in ancient paeonia not Macedonia. However if you want to "unite" with THE Macedonia.... Macedonians will be glad to oblige and annex it to Greece.
GemistusPletho 8 months ago
@GemistusPletho Now, I know that you can not read in your school books about how "noble" role had your country taken (so as Bg. and Sr.) in liberating of my country and my people. Here, I can add that a lot of Macedonians helped Greek, Bulgaria and Serbia in their struggle for liberty and independence. Vice versa, you stabbed a knife in our back during our struggle. Very noble, indeed. You occupied and broke apart my country. That's why you are now speaking of my country as for ancient Paeonia.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
Who told you that you deserve the title of Paeonia you VARDARIAN ?
Who gave you the right to negotiate my name ?
You eat propaganda since you born you communistic peritoma and you dare to speak about Greek propaganda ?
Are you fucking blind or something ? Haven't you ever noticed that Macedonian stones speak Greek ?
The Macedonian struggle was between Greeks and Bulgarians. ONLY AND EXCLUSIVELY.
Keep thinking frauds.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 You can see clearly in the case of Philotas trial in front of the Macedonian army, when asked by Alexander whether he will use his native (MACEDONIAN) language, Philotas answer is : "Besides the Macedonians, there are many present who, I think, will find what I am going to say easier to understand if I use the language (Greek) you yourself have been using, YOUR PURPOSE, I BELIEVE, BEING ONLY TO ENABLE MORE PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND YOU". Now, do you have a brain to work this out ???
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
You are a fraud.
Alexander thanked Gods he was born Greek.
Do you think that the ancient city states was in the way that are formed today ?
Check out your mental condition Slav and find a name that belongs to your history.
Macedonia means Greece. Macedonians were speaking the Dorian dialect just like Spartans did while Athenians were speaking the Ionian dialect.
You are speaking a Bulgarian dialect. Bulgarians ensure this.
So, get the fuck out of here skunk.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 As I can see, Greece doesn't really exist even now. You still got that "city state mentality". Macedonia means something and somebody who really fucked up (not Greece-because it doesn't existed in those times- but) Greeks. And Macedonia did fucked up Greeks and did it really bad, so now I feel even a need to apologize to you. I am truly sorry for that but those were such a turbulent times so that probably couldn't be avoided.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
You talk like Bucephalus :D ....
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 Maybe, at least you understood-ed Bucephalus . . .
He was speaking, probably "Dorian" dialect . . . : )
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
Of course and i understand that. I can read quite easy the Macedonian language since they they wrote in Greek.
I can't understand your Bulgarian language. That's the difference.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 do you mean that everybody who speaked Dorian dialect was a horse !?
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
Hahahahaha ...you don't even understood what i was meaning ...and you want to call yourself a Macedonian ????
I spoke to you in the Macedonian way ...didn't you get it ?
Bucaphalus was the name of Alexander's horse. Btw ...it was a zastava ...but do you know the meaning of the name ?
Do you know the meaning of the name Alexandros or Philippos or Aristotle ??
This is the huge gap you are in my friend. You know nothing.
Macedonians spoke in their language. In Greek.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 Yeah, yeah, Even horses speak in Greek.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
And for what reason didn't Macedonians spread the ''Macedonian'' language but the Greek ??
Don't confuse things. Hellenic history is longer than you thing and know and you have to consider that we are talking about city states.
Do you find a reason why Macedonians had Greek names ?
They were the strongest state at that period so they could turn the Greeks to speak Macedonian.
Unfortunately, Macedonians as Greeks, spoke Greek. They wrote in Greek.
Aristotle wrote in Greek.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 Yeah, sure they spoke Greek but, they had their own language, too. Thats what Philotas was referring at. Soon, you will be able to hear and read about that much, much more.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
Ok if you insist, they had their own language. ( i don't accept this but let's follow that option )
Does that make you more Macedonians since you are Slavs ?
The modern Greek language is based on ancient Greek. Your language is Slavic which is a gap here.
What Philotas said, it is mentioned by Quintus Curtius Rufus who was a Roman after 400 years of Alexander's achievements. So the Romans used to say divide and conquer, just like globalization today does.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 I never ever denied my Slavic roots. But, where are the antique Macedonians (and the rest of the ethnicities, for that matter) who lived on this territory. Are they totally exterminated ( no evidence at all), are the shipped to the Moon (no evidence,too) or they are simply mixed up with the invaders ( as it is a case everywhere else). Simply enough ?
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
There is NOT a Macedonian ethnicity. There never was after Alexander's death. Accept that. It's a fact.
You never answer about Prilet and Vardarska.
Don't claim things that aren't yours.
Everyone knows that what is happening today is about secret diplomacy. So, think about that.
America destroyed Yugoslavia and now we have your problem.
I don't care about your problem. It is your problem gentlemen. We have our problems.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
Simply my friend, you have nothing in common with Macedonia. The one simple thing that you don't understand is that the Greeks don't claim to be Alexander's grand children. You do that and that's insane.
I don't claim being a ''true'' Macedonian.
All i am saying and writing is that Macedonia 's birth and history belong to the Greek continuity.
Those about the roots of Macedonia. We can discuss the today's political problem if you like, if our friend here won't block me :)
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 Really, do you know who is claiming what in this case? You (your government-not our) used history even in the lawsuit in Hague. We don't ask from you to change the name of your (now your) province of Macedonia. Off course it is Macedonia. But this here is Macedonia, too. You don't let us to be Macedonia. And that is a political problem. And it is a strange one.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@Georgios763 And there is no other Macedonians anywhere in the World (not in Greece, too), who speak Macedonian language and who are Macedonian born citizens. Yours, so called, Macedonians ( that emerged lately) can only be Greek Macedonians because their birth language is Greek.
Not to mention that couple decades a go you didn't want even to mention the name MACEDONIA (why was that?),and your scholars didn't want to allow the statue of Alexander to be posted in Athena (why was that, too?)
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
You don't speak Macedonian, you are not Macedonians !!!!
Where is the Kingdom of Prilet ?
Where is Vardarska Banovina ??
I have asked you several questions and you answered nothing !!!!
All you claim is about Greek politicians who are just puppets and traitors. 95% of the Greeks don't accept you. Do you know that Gruevski is Greek ?? Is that by accident ?
Your region isn't Macedonian. All Macedonian stones that has been found speak Greek and no other language.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
The Greek politicians are traitors as it concerns the Turks and the Skopjans, the Albanians and Bulgarians.
All you want is a port. This is the political issue in here.
You want lands through the Macedonian name that doesn't belong to you.
Cypriots for example are Greeks but they live in a distant island from Greece.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 Ohhh, you really disappointed me now. Do I here xenophobic words , even paranoiac words here. Do not worry, no body will take Macedonia away from you. What I was referring earlier about returning of the land and properties to the Macedonians is a concern of a human rights. And that should be a case everywhere in the World. The Governments should guarantee the private property to every citizen, not to rob them, no matter how different they are.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
Xenophobic and paranoid ?? I am sure you know nothing. I am thinking about my country's stability.
Just like your country had a loan recently from Germany so you put generators in your Albanian borders.
Is that a xenophobic action ? We see your maps and we know what is you want.
Your 1st Bulgarian attempt failed. Now it's your 2nd. We wait and see my friend.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 Your country will be much more stable and recognized if you make your politicians stop stealing your money, if they stop throwing your money on weapons just to buy support (from France, Germany, Russia, USA etc.) for they to continue with robing you. That"s why they are throwing such ridiculous issues on so you can't see the forest because of the tree in front of you.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
I don't like globalization. You like that. You ate the fairy tale which is against all humanity.
You felt the American bombs and now you bow on your knees in front of Americans.
Macedonians were proud. This is another difference between you and the Macedonians.
You ensure your Slavic origin.
So ...let's make a Macedonian nation by Greeks, Albanians, Slavs and Gypsies !!! That's what you are telling me !
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 Are you losing your mind or you just can't understand what was I talking about?
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
I am waiting for answers. Leave the global sky and bullshit like that. If the world was going to have no borders you wouldn't cry for a name.
So ...once you are left and then right politically !! I have a stable position in my arguments.
My mind's condition is very good i ensure you. You should concern about yours i think.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
If you want to move forth, find a name according to your language and your history and don't try to steal an ancient name. You don't need something ancient to move to the new.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 But we are born as Macedonians, In Macedonia as sovereign country and we are speaking Macedonian language. ( REMEMBER : NOT ANTIQUE MACEDONIA, NOT ANTIQUE MACEDONIANS, NOT ANTIQUE MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE).
WHY (AND HOW CAN WE) SHOULD WE CHANGE THAT AS A FACT !?
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
Because it's an ancient name that doesn't belong to you.
If we accept that, the new generations will learn that Macedonians were Slavs and not Greeks. It's very simple as you see. And beyond that, maybe in 50 years a madman of your country may claim to free Macedonia so we go on war !!
You are Vardarians and not Macedonians. You are Bulgarians and Slavs.
Macedonia means Greece. Totally and only.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 You keep telling me what I am and that is called fascism.
You believe your politicians that such a small country as is The Republic of Macedonia with population of only 2 mil. people is a treat to your country?
If you do, well I can't help you. You should know better. I already explained that to you. That's just a way of your politicians to keep robing you.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
You can call yourself as you want except Macedonian because i am Macedonian so i can't give you my identity.
Was your country called Vardarska ? I 'm not saying something that never happened. You are accusing me as a Gypsy. So, i thing you are the Nazi in here.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 What language do you speak ?
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
I speak the Hellenic koine language just like Macedonians were speaking the Greek language.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 You mean you speak Greek language but you are Macedonian !? Ok. no problem, than you are a Greek Macedonian and that is not bad at all.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
Do you think that people all over the world concern about your name ?
Your country is recognized by politicians who serve other purposes. Be suspicious please. You are 50 years old and i am a man who respects older people than me. I 'm sorry if i insulted you. I am not that kind of person.
Just look at the Macedonian artifacts that have been found. There never recorded a ''Macedonian'' language.
All of your arguments are based in 19th century. That means something.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 As for the History matters, it should be left to the historians to deal with it, and to deal with it objectively, without hiding artefact's and findings that doesn't suite political purposes (and I speak here for all historians in general, not just ours or yours). Then and only than we can find out that the History can be very funny and amusing matter, and even a matter that can make us very close as countries ( as we, geographically speaking, already are).
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@Georgios763 Yes, you have a province named Macedonia and that is not a problem, not for us (we don't claim on the exclusivity of the term Macedonia). Since you are Greeks above all and your native language is Greek language, than you should use the term Greek Macedonians for the people populating the Greek part of Macedonia and nobody has a problem .
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@Georgios763
The other side is very plain and simple. There is just one country at the moment (not two, three or more countries) that is named The Republic of Macedonia, and that is a fact.
If you, as a country I mean, decide to change your name from Greece into Macedonia, than we really got a problem. This way I really can't see what problem do you have with my country being The Republic of Macedonia.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@Georgios763 Thank you for your respect and I respect you, too.(regardless on your age) But, we are talking deferent languages here. You are speaking historical language all the time and that's not bad, except it should be a language that historians will use more than we as a common persons should use it.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
What about 100.000 Greeks in your country and their human rights ?
What about Monastir ? Be serious please.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 Please feel you are invited as a guest of mine (on my expense, off course) to come and show them to me. I would be honored if you can find them. If you do that you may even earn a NOBEL PRIZE for RESEARCH.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
:) there is no need to come in a country where trafficking and prostitution are upgraded day by day !!!
Keep your money in case you need drugs because you are a fraud and you shall collapse sooner or later.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 Until that day comes, you feel you are invited in a nice town by the Ohrid Lake and on the banks of the Crn Drim, where the food is great (and cheap - so is the petrol), the nature is awesome and the locals are warm and friendly.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
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@dpintostruga
Lolovski !!!
You never answer ...you are a spammer !!!
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 Off course, no one in the World can claim to be a "True Antique" Macedonian and we have never claimed that. First of all, it is a question of History ( not political) to gave some answers on that. But you are the ones, trying to suggest that deferent ethnicities have come and gone from this territories without leaving any traces at all. We (both Macedonians and Greeks) are such a mixture of genes that it is probably much better not to touch that issue( but so are the other nations)
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
You Independence is your problem not ours. You want an identity so you are something else than Albanians and Bulgarians and you gave us your problem.
Well, we don't intend to solve your problem.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 Speaking as you do, I should say that you wanted identity different from Gypsies, so you tried to distance from them making your present identity and you gave whole World a problem.
No, no my friend. That is not a way to talk anybody in this World, we are all entitled to live under the same sky. Stop looking for enemies, try to look for friends.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
Ok. We are Gypsies as you started the same bullshit again without answering anything i 've asked.
Your sky is your Vardarian sky. My sky is my Macedonian sky, my Macedonian sea, my Macedonian land and all of them are historically, politically and totally Greek.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 So as the whole World I suppose.
Yours is your country's debt of some trillion US$ (or a part of it ), the rest of it belongs to the mankind.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
Exactly. If you study the banking system, you will learn what is going on. You are thinking like a chauvinist who enjoys other's catastrophe. So, don't play it a lefty one because you act like a faschist.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 I just mentioned a crude fact to you and I am not enjoying in it at all, my friend. The rest is ideological trash.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@Georgios763 By the way, can you decide which ones are yours : Greece sky or Macedonian sky, Greece sea or Macedonian sea ?
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
Read my comment again. Macedonia's sky is up above Greece. Your sky is the Vardarian one.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 Yeah, but according "yours" ancient Greek geographers Macedonian sky was above this teritory, too.
What about that ?
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
Macedonia means Greece according to Strabo. Cya later
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 But, here and now is not Greece - it is The Republic of Macedonia.
And, still this territory was under "the Antique Macedonian sky", some 2000 + Years ago.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
Your territory was never Macedonian. Your territory in ancient times was called Dardania and southern to the borders with Macedonia was Paeonia. Ancient Macedonia was the today's Macedonia in the Greek state.
And of course i am a Greek Macedonian since being a Macedonian means being Greek. These things are combined.
Your capital Skopje, was the ancient city Scupi and there never was in Macedonia.
You only claim being Macedonian without arguments.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 You are probably talking about this map ( mapas.owje.com/maps/783_map-of-macedonia-thrace-illyria-moesia-and-dacia.html ). It is OK to say that Skopje wasn't within the borders of Ancient Macedonia but, you are not commenting on the issue sincerely, since almost whole other territory of The Republic of Macedonia is within the borders of Ancient Macedonia ( and speaking on this issue you are even harder than your Government , since they recognized that )
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
I 'm sorry but once again you are mistaken and i insist. Ancient Macedonian borders were almost today's Macedonia that lays in Greece. Macedonia in the Byzantine empire was in Thrace. So, something isn't right.
And i asked you some questions and i am waiting for an answer
1. What happened to Vardarska and Kingdom of Prilet ?
2. If you want to be part in the new world, why then you are seeking for an ancient name ?
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 The link I gave you is from a Greek site I suppose. If you can't understand the map and the borders of the territories in it, then you should seek help from somebody who is able to do so. My country (territory), besides the Ottoman occupation, was under Serbian and Bulgarian occupation, too. It was called Vardarska under Serbian occupation, and that is not an ancient History so, to manipulate with it.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@Georgios763 We are actual Macedonia and Macedonians, here and now, and if You, as Greek Macedonians prefer to be Ancient Macedonians, that is alright with us. It just might be a perfect solution for your name.
All the historic matters I addressed, being only to help you see, 'cause you are blindfolded by your Government with all those fabrications and theories about pure nations (Nazi theories) that you can read about in already mentioned book of Martin Bernal.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
As far as I can tell it is the FYROM government that is the one obsessed with purity and trying to claim themselves related to ancient Macedonians (self-identifying Greeks). Its precisely why FYROM government hide their ethnic Bulgarian heritage and call themselves "Macedonians".
GemistusPletho 4 months ago
@Georgios763 In fact no! The Macedonian theme was modern FYROM, Greek Macedonia "Pripet Macodonia" ans some parts of modern Albania -or all of it, I can't remember! There was theme of Thrace in Byzadioum and it was the modern Eastern Thrace -and part of Western and "Bulgarian" Thrace!!
Peristerygr 6 months ago
@Georgios763 The only big mistake Alexander made is that he meant speaking Greek language the Greek will understand him better, but him being Macedonian the Greeks have never understood-ed him and will never ever understand him, at all.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
He thanked the Greek Gods he was born Greek.
His mother was from the genus of Achilles and his father was from the genus of Hercules.
Did they were Africans too ??
His mythologically ancestry derives from Zeus !!
Was Zeus a Slav ? Even penguins know that he wasn't.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 Do you still believe in Gods ? Do you believe in Santa Claus, too ? That's called Mythology ! Then how old are you ?
3 . . .5 . . . 7 . . . don't tell me you are older, no , no . . .
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@Georgios763 Well, it's very obvious that you are not only blind but you have a huge mental problem, too. As our conversation now, it is in English (And That Doesn't Make Us Englishmen or Americans), that was the case during Alexanders times. The Greek language was widely spoken during those times so they used it to be able to communicate with all those who were defeated and later included to fight for Alexander (and a lot of them were Greeks, remember).
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@Georgios763 You just told me that you understand Dorian dialect even now, because, off course, it is Greek language.
And you want to persuade me that in those ancient times Athenians couldn't understand that dialect.
Do you find any logic in comparing the statement you just gave with the statement of Philotas, mentioned a few lines beneath !?
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
I am 3 years old :) .... and yes i believe in Gods since the Greek Gods represented the forces of nature. i was expecting something more from you.
I hope you know that there never has been a translator between Macedonians and the rest of Greeks simply because all of them were Greeks.
What Philotas ( Greek name too ) answered to Alexander about his mother tongue, was once again about the dialect. Greek nations were speaking different dialects since the koine Hellenic.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 Oh, come on. There are a number of dialects of every language in every country in the World but, since they origin from the same language nobody ever even mentioned them, especially not in such a connotation as in the Philotas case it was.
There was no need of translators since whole Macedonian Royalty ( so as it was a case with Persian Royalty , too ) spoke very fluent Greek language.
I just wonder why don't you say that Persians were Greek, too.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
Santa Claus is a Catholic Saint you Orthodox. And let me inform you that Christianity is a Jewish heresy.
Your dialect though, is Bulgarian and as Bulgarians came in 7th century then you don't have any relationship with Macedonism.
On the other hand, it is extremely noticeable that every Macedonian name was Greek. Persians were Persians.
You can search for the etymology of the Macedonian names and toponyms.
Hellen, Magnes, Graekos and Makednos were brothers sons of Zeus.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 And, I was convinced that you are an Orthodox Christian and you believe in One and Only God. Sorry for that.
PS.
You didn't answer about Santa Claus.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
If you were capable of writing something extremely awesome, you would wrote that in English ??
If your country had the force to occupy entire Europe, you would let other people to speak in their languages and in English ?
Be serious please. You are old enough to understand and to think what is logical and what is not.
Why Macedonians had Greek names ?
Do you use British names while you speak English today ?
Do you believe in God the way Catholics do ?
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 You should know that Alexander The Great is best known (except for his military skills) exactly on those matters. He really was a man of the World. He included all occupied territories in his Kingdom, he didn't enslave them.
How come those names (Alexander, Phillip etc. are Greek? Because you say so ? What about distinction with the surnames between Macedonians and Greeks ? ( Macedonians had their surnames by their fathers origin, and Greeks by their birthplaces ).
dpintostruga 8 months ago
The part of Macedonia that you occupied was ethnically cleansed from Macedonians (I mean real Macedonians) in several occasions and re-populated with your Greeks expelled from Turkey. (and there is no way they can now be Macedonians, they know nothing of Macedonia) So, the overwhelming majority of your "so called Macedonians" does not have roots in Macedonia (rather in Turkey or on some Greek islands).
dpintostruga 8 months ago
There are thousands of Macedonians now claiming for their properties in Greece. They all have proper documents of their ownership and it is matter of time when your government will have to gave them back their properties.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
Bullshit (and you Nazis won't get a cent for trying to eradicate us twice in 10 years) You Nazis just used "persecution" games to evade the fact you used to SELF-IDENIFIED as ethnic Bulgarians.
GemistusPletho 8 months ago
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@dpintostruga
'Why are we ashamed and flee from the truth that whole positive Macedonian revolutionary tradition comes exactly from exarchist part of Macedonian people? We shall not say a new truth if we mention the fact that everyone, Gotse Delchev, Dame Gruev, Gjorche Petrov, Pere Toshev - must I list and count all of them - were teachers of the Bulgarian Exarchate in Macedonia.' - former Prime Minister of FYROM, Ljubco Georgievski, 2007, in his book 'Facing the truth'
GemistusPletho 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
You are delusional. You are former Bulgarians that lost your identity to your hatred of Greeks. The words of your own national hero Krste Misirkov. “We are Bulgarian more than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria. The population of Skopje is pure Bulgarian"
GemistusPletho 8 months ago
@GemistusPletho Ok, wise guy, whether I am MACEDONIAN just for the last three minutes, it is not up to you to decide that I am not MACEDONIAN, you got it. Now, do you know when and how is your Greek nation formed ( by the way, and how did you got your nation's name). Well, not earlier then some of my gran gran grandfathers started to name themselves as Macedonians. Why we could not free ourselves earlier then you and make an independent country earlier then you, that is another story.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
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@GemistusPletho Ok, wise guy, whether I am MACEDONIAN just for the last three minutes, it is not up to you to decide that I am not MACEDONIAN, you got it. Now, do you know when and how is your Greek nation formed ( by the way, and how did you got your nation's name). Well, not earlier then some of my gran gran grandfathers started to name themselves as Macedonians. Why we could not free ourselves earlier then you and make an independent country earlier then you, that is another story.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
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@GemistusPletho Ok, wise guy, whether I am MACEDONIAN just for the last three minutes, it is not up to you to decide that I am not MACEDONIAN, you got it. Now, do you know when and how is your Greek nation formed ( by the way, and how did you got your nation's name). Well, not earlier then some of my gran gran grandfathers started to name themselves as Macedonians. Why we could not free ourselves earlier then you and make an independent country earlier then you, that is another story.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
Ama katalavenete afta oso grafw, tote eisaste pragmatikoi Makedones :)
TheKameleon80 10 months ago
makedonija za mnogo godini puknite dusmani
MACED0NN 1 year ago
skopians are slavs ya monkeys makedonia to real makedones the greeks not slavic pigs from vardar
tisbales 1 year ago
@tisbales Go learn some history buddy, All started since "1 million people where forced out from Anadolia , Ottoman empire, to today Greek region Aegean Macedonia, the people where Greek , so they settled in Aegean Macedonian which was not a Greek territory.1913 Macedonia was divided , Aegean Macedonian was given to the Greeks by the 1913 treaty of bucharest, Bulgarians took Pirin Macedonia , Serbia took Vardarska Macedonia. This is a fact dumb ass , go read a history book noob
TheEvengard 1 year ago
@TheEvengard blah blah show me the facts not propaganda write what you want you know who you really are a skopian slavic thief now thats fact before the 7th century what where you and where were you not in macedonia cause it was a hellinic state FACT you dint exist as a race or as culture, fuck 1913 and fuck turkey and also fuck tito with his propaganda thats got all you screaming monkeydonkeyah
tisbales 1 year ago
@tisbales i have stated lots of facts that u dont belong in Solun , Aegean Macedonia , and second of all im Italian not Macedonian , but what are you doing to the Macedonians is terrible, not u actually you but your government . Be thankful to the super powers , what they did for u . Second of all the DNA of today Macedonians in Macedonia shows that 30 % of them have ancient DNA , and the DNA done to the Greeks show 0 % , their DNA shows Ethiopian connection, thats a fact.
TheEvengard 1 year ago
@tisbales show u that fact , not propaganda u say ? , your country teaches children at school for 100 years that they belong and are Macedonians , thats a true propaganda my friend
TheEvengard 1 year ago
@tisbales Hey why don't you go to 7.00m in and watch from there. You will see for yourself what your own Geography books said before your country went broke from your bullshit propaganda campaign. just watch it for yourself and then cry in your room when you realise your as stupid as all your people . Your own school books said we were Macedonians. See for yourself. Not slavs , we were the state of Macedonia in Yugoslavia to fight hitler. Just like the state of Serbia was in Yugoslavia.IDIOT
fkdgreeks 10 months ago
@Theevengard -Hey why don't you go to 7.00m in and watch from there. You will see for yourself what your own Geography books said before your country went broke from your bullshit propaganda campaign. just watch it for yourself and then cry in your room when you realise your as stupid as all your people . Your own school books said we were Macedonians. See for yourself. Not slavs , we were the state of Macedonia in Yugoslavia to fight hitler. Just like the state of Serbia was in Yugoslavia.IDIOT
fkdgreeks 10 months ago
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LupuArdelean 1 year ago
@tisbales Your own words speak about yourself much better then anybody else can explain to you. So, try to use decent words in your communications and you might ( just might ) become a decent person one day. Until then, you look like you are a much closer relative to the prehistoric humans then to the ancient greeks.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
Macedonia forever!
Fuck Greece!
CassanderMakedon 1 year ago 3
@CassanderMakedon makedonia is greek ya skopian
tisbales 1 year ago
@tisbales Evan the name Skopje - old Skupi is older then any Greek state from ancient times , so by calling Macedonians Skopjans u'r humiliation fails
TheEvengard 1 year ago
@tisbales Poor greeks not having fact thinking that statements like fyromian,monkeydonian,skopian and so will prove that they are right.HAHAHAHAHA gypsy idiots.And please dont tell us ancian story's don't go that far just go back in 1980's and learn from your geography and history book's of that time who is who and where is MACEDONIA.
silentspec99 11 months ago
United Macedonia!...United Macedonia!...United Macedonia!!!!
SpeedWalkerigor 1 year ago
And where are you Mr, forevermkd, stop using censorship and spamming.
You have a serious problem and give us evidence, proofs and dialogues.
What are you afraid of ?
The truth ?
Ἔστι μὲν οὖν Ἑλλὰς καὶ ἡ Μακεδονία.
Georgios763 1 year ago
@Georgios763, censorship and spamming?
Are the original documents "censorship and spamming" for you? Look at 7:46 and the rest of the documents.... everywhere you are calling my country Macedonia, so what's the problem now?
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
And before that, 1944 how did your territory called ?
Is it hard to believe that the Greek politicians obeyed to USA ?
Like Gruevski and Papandreu today ?
Be serious plz.
The ancient texts and monuments scream the truth.
Georgios763 1 year ago
Before 1944 it was Macedonia as a geographical territory, see what wrote Pulevski in 1875.... "The Macedonians also are a nation and the place which is theirs is called Macedonia". There are tons of old maps of the region of Macedonia (as we today call it United Macedonia).
*I don't talk about the origin of the Ancient Macedonians, it's history and I talk about geography. The origin of the Ancient Macedonians has no connection with the fact that the name of my country is Rep. of Macedonia.
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
Well we know about Vardarska Banovina. If we accept the geographical determination then, in the near future we 'll face serious problems.
We don't need a second Cyprus issue my friend.
Georgios763 1 year ago
@forevermkd geographical again is paionia end dardania end the did not have the right to still the name of my birth plase
DALAMYIAN 1 year ago
@DALAMYIAN, It was paeonia in the Ancient time, the modern time its part of the geographical region of Macedonia. So we live in ancient or modern time?
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd were is the geographical reagion on modern times in greece or in vardaska ?did before the 1944 was makedonia or anothere name ? how you use a name that did not belong to you ? how you try to inplemend a history for your area that cosindering end taken parts of 2 diferend nasionalitys ? wy try to stil a name that have inplemend to the area only on 1944 communist conference ? how i stay inactive wen you try to use a name that belong to me end my ancestors ? that is the morden times .
DALAMYIAN 1 year ago
I really can not understand you, do you have eyes dude?
I REVEALED that propaganda about our "name Vardarska before 1944", did you saw it on the video? If yes... what's wrong now?
Did you see what wrote Pulevski many years before the communism.... he wrote that MACEDONIANS also are a NATION and the place which is theirs is called MACEDONIA. It was in 1875 when there was nigher communism nor Tito.... so do you see that you are brainwashed or you're that stupid that you can not realize eve that?
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd realy puleski have wrote that for the bulgarians becuse was bulagarian like kaltsef with the blesing of the russia that time for to gain axeess on the aigaian see for that reason was the acord of san stefano betuin the russia end turkey . al of that was end still is slavobulgarian propanganda the makedonias the are branch of the greek ethnos end nothing else you are the the brainwashed end stupid the true is you are makedonian therefore greek or slavobulgarian ?
DALAMYIAN 1 year ago
@Georgios763 Hey why don't you go to 7.00m in and watch from there. You will see for yourself what your own Geography books said before your country went broke from your bullshit propaganda campaign.Just watch it for yourself and then cry in your room when you realise your as stupid as all your people . Your own school books said we were Macedonians. See for yourself. Not slavs , we were the state of Macedonia in Yugoslavia to fight hitler. Just like the state of Serbia was in Yugoslavia.IDIOT
fkdgreeks 10 months ago
@fkdgreeks
You are not Slavs ?? And why the fuck your fake fucking country is included in the Slavic Union ??
What does Macedonia mean in your language ?
You woke up one morning and baptized Macedonians just because of your communistic propaganda.
You are so frustrated that you always block our comments and that's a very reason of your true lies.
Brainless ''it'' ... Alexander's horse was Zastava.
Keep eating shit and burping farts.
Georgios763 10 months ago
@Georgios763 IF YOU CAN READ (and understand ) your own comments, you should be able to understand the meaning of the word FRUSTRATED. Have a nice day!
dpintostruga 9 months ago
@dpintostruga
I have a nice day thank you. So, now i think you have an explanation for the frustrating issue i suppose. Please, enlighten our horizon once you are the light of Europe.
Georgios763 9 months ago
@dpintostruga
P.S i guess the inhibited term matches better with you.
By the way, do you know how to read my friend ?
Georgios763 9 months ago
@Georgios763 (and I really do not mean here to offend Gypsies at all). If you can read your own Ancient Greek historian, so as many Ancient Roman and Jewish historians, geographers and orators( like Diodorus Siculus,Arrian,Isocrates,Demosthenes etc.), you will find out that they wrote, regarding ancient Greeks and ancient Macedonians, as of two different RACES, with Macedonian being the White One. (guess the color of the Greek one ?)
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
We speak and write exactly as the ancients did. In the matter of fact, we are from them. The entire scientific community signs that not me.
As a literate man you are, you must know that Demosthenes was a barbarian so he had a complex in the barbarity issue.
Don't get confused once again with the color of Greeks because you are red asses and you came here from the North. Actually, 1000 years after Alexander's empire. Pretty much late mature.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 "The ancient Greek historians and geographers from the classical and the post-classical period, Ephoros, Pseudo-Skylax, Dionysius son of Kalliphon and Dionysius Periegetes, all put the northern borders of Greece at the line from the Ambracian Gulf in the West to the Peneios River to the East, THUS EXCLUDING MACEDONIA FROM GREECE". You can find this quote in the book of (your Greek author) Mchael Sakellariou, named "Macedonia: 4000 years of Greek History", p.50. So,read a little bit
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
The Macedonian civilization was Greek. They were Dorians illiterate ''it''. And if they weren't Greeks they had the right of the self-determination and they called themselves Greeks.
Definetely they weren't Slavs.
There is not one evident of the so called Macedonian language since their stones speak Greek.
You came here 1000 years after Alexander. Wake up and stop make fictions and hypotheses since there are evidents of what is going on.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 Wait, just wait a little longer and you might be very surprised in the near future. 'Cause you can't buy, hide and re-fabricate all the books and all the evidences that will surely come out very soon. Although, one of the causes for your bankruptcy is that one. You were buying (and paying huge money for it) everything that doesn't fit inside your theory of a great Greek nation. Well, the money is gone and Macedonia is (at least this part) free and independent country now.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
You are very wrong because the Greek politicians never invested in such thing. On the other hand, all of your money you earn, are invested in your disgusting propaganda while everyone who knows and knows how to read, laughs at you.
And wait for what ? Are you gonna attack Greece ?
Well fucking blind ignorant, come and get it. Your 1st Bulgarian attempt failed. Try your 2nd one.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 Are you angry !? Why !? This is just a friendly exchange of historical (not hysterical) facts and I have never claimed that mine version is THE ALL AND ABSOLUTE TRUTH. Just, it's good for your thinking skills to exchange different views from time to time.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
Angry ? LOLOVSKI
I am never mad of stupid people !
Absolute truth ? You mean the G. Soros investment idiot ?
To exchange different views from time to time ? You mean like you do ?! Once you were Bulgarians and now Macedoians ?
LOLOVSKI Slavo-Bulgarian ...Lolovski from the bottoms of my heart!!!!!
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 So, lately, everything that comes out from the mother Earth here in Macedonia stays here in Macedonia and will be presented to the World as it is. That was not the case earlier, when everything that was found here was stolen from Belgrade and Sofia, and then sold, mostly, to Athina.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
Macedonia lays in Greece. Your region is Vardarska Banovina. The stones have Greek letters upon them. Stop scratching them you ignorants.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 I already told you (but you doesn't get it, do you), this letters are English but, that doesn't make us Englishmen or Americans, does it !?
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
You are the mad because you cry like beaten puppets in you tube for being Macedonians.
Well...a name is a name and we the Greeks we will never give this name to you.
You can scream as loud as you can. The truth will be revealed in the near future because you are a fraud.
You are a fraud Yugoslavian. Don't forget your Yugoslavian history.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
The Latin alphabet is a Greek copy. Your Cyrillic alphabet is a Greek invention so you become Christians.
Other thing !?
Georgios763 8 months ago
If you look into your roots deeply enough you will find out that your nation is as close to Gypsies as you can get. On the other side, Macedonians, whether we are Slavs (as you prefer - and by the way, you have some Slavic blood in your veins, too - thats why you look a little bit pale lately,not only because your country is bankrupt) or we have further more roots in the ancient Macedonians (as it is more likely to be), anyway we have not any visible connections with Gypsies
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
As it concerns the Gypsies you claim you little red face who thinks that you are white, ...i am mentioning your filthy and pointless chauvinism atm if you get it, ...the Gypsies are a tribe that they came from India probably BUT they never allowed mixtures in their history. So, either you are an idiot or extremely inhibited !
The bankruptcy though, is global in general and it's about Euro through Greece. I didn't expect from a monkey to realize that too.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 Well, those are just theories. Who knows, Gypsies may come , as you say , from India or ,as a lot of them say, from Egypt ( and so they call themselves - Egypsians/Egyptians). If the later one is correct, then you may find out that you are a very close relative to them, and that doesn't mean you should be ashamed of it.
Speaking about the bankruptcy, no hard feeling, whether you do not block our Euro-Atlantic integrations, maybe even my country would donate some money for you.
dpintostruga 8 months ago
@dpintostruga
Who gives a shit about your Euro-Atlantic integrations ? Who gives a shit about your fake country Vardarian ?
Macedonians had Greek names. All of them. Their names have a meaning in the Greek language and i make theories ?
Your foolishness has overpassed every limit.
Macedonians worshiped Greek Gods. Their cities had Greek architecture and their culture was Greek.
What the fuck is that you don't understand ?
You are they who create theories and hypothesize fictions.
Georgios763 8 months ago
@Georgios763 Do you know when and how many names (both topographical and personal) your country has forcefully changed to Macedonians and Macedonian cities, villages, rivers, mountains etc. that are now on your territory ? Why was that necessary ? Did you rise your voice against it ? Did somebody earlier mentioned Nazi's?
dpintostruga 8 months ago