Who said Brando was a horrible actor? I mean, people have seen other movies with him in it, right? In A Streetcar Named Desire, he perfectly embodied masculine brutality and courseness without being over the top but by simply being a strong, uncompromising presence. However, in On the Waterfront, you see scenes with him showing basic frailty of one man against the group, doing a very good job of it, while still retaining the strength of youth. I don't know who could call him a bad actor.
Sinatra is a great actor. If you look at his performance, he is throwing a tantrum cause they didn't offer him Sky. I didn't notice it till someone pointed it out to me, but now i see it in a lot of the scenes.
Frank Sinatra won one oscar. And that was due to Montgomery Clift(one of the greatest actors) spending time with him on the set.. working on his character. If he merely just relied on his shitty acting talent there probably wouldn't of been an oscar. Good singer, though.
@lady7410 Brando won I and was nominated for 6 of his 1st 7 films, no one has ever duplicated that in cinema history. Nominate for Streetcar(2nd film),Viva Zapata(3rd film) Wild Ones(4th film) Julius Caesar(5th film) Waterfront(5th film ) he wins Oscar, and Sayonara( I believe his 6th or 7th film)
@TheYammit No, Sinatra was far bigger, and in more categories, had more influence and connections. Brando had nothing but flops from Fugitive Kind to The Nightcomers just before the Godfather. He couldn't get a job for two years and said so on Mike Douglas' show. Elvis' movies speak for themselves. As a singer he should have stood with all the other great soul singers but lost interest in recording and turned out so much schlock.
this was a good scene. "one of these days in your travels a guy's gonna show u a brand new deck a cards on which the seal is not yet broken..." i just love the way brando talks while telling the story.
What a joke. Brando is the greatest film actor ever. Just because you don't personally like him doesn't mean you should slag him off and call him a bad actor.
While I don't consider Brando to be the best actor ever, he's cool because he holds his own in the scene. Sinatra was notorious for walking off sets, this doesn't mean he had the ability to judge what was good or bad acting, he just had the personality that granted him the right to walk off a set and do whatever the hell wanted merely because he could.
Yes, I could see where that would piss someone off. All I'm saying is that someone with a fuse the size of a cm. it's understable as to why Frank said to hell with it. 1915fas -"Put me in the game when Mumbles is through rehearsing." Now that is hilarious AND it's genius.
@IDidItMyWay78 that doesn't mean he was a bad actor. He was very difficult to work with, and admittedly some of his roles were not the best. That being said, being difficult to work with and lazy at times doesn't mean he was a bad actor.
But I'm not knocking Frank, that's my guy. I just wouldn't consider him a fine actor, is all. But he sure in the hell aint too bad on the eyes....men and women would agree x D
Every actor is different. But if I had to pick I would say Montgomery Clift is very much in competition with Brando. He came before him aswell and at that time people would say Brando is the new Montgomery Clift.
@TehCoyote I like Clift for the way he interiorized his acting when playing characters who carried a terrible secret-like the guy in A Place In The Sun or the priest in I Confess.
@TehCoyote Your right. At a party Brando said to Clift, 'People tell me I remind them of you. But I don't see it.' They took off on Brando's Indian Chief. All Broadway was afraid that the two greatest hopes of the American theatre would get killed! Years later when Clift was a hopeless addict, Brando told him 'Your my touchstone. I thought we could keep challenging each other.' It was no use. Brando said to a friend, 'Monty is a lost cause.'
@patrickbass20 Depends on the material. Brando rightly disliked his Antony in Julius Caesar. He thought Americans should leave Shakespeare to the British. He was visually impressive in that film. Olivier, Gielgud, Branagh are great at Shakespeare but not so great at living on the screen in naturalistic modern parts. The limits of Brando's technique are revealed in Last Tango where he was asked to improvise and the dialogue is often banal as in Apocalypse Now.
@IDidItMyWay78 Brando said he messed up only on the scenes with Sinatra 'cause Sinatra was such a crap actor but his ego was so bad he ignored direction..so Brando said he purposefully delayed the takes so that Sinatra would do multitakes unitl brando felt he did it better! When the film was released in 1955 Brando got the best review while Sinatra was dubbed 'good so long as he sings'.
mh Marlon Brando was a strong actor, one of the best of his time. Knowing your lines doesn't make you a good actor, thats like saying knowing how to hold a gun makes you a good cop!
@IDidItMyWay78 If MB was a horrible actor, why was he paid more than the lead actor in Superman, for a 15 minute appearance, wherein he read lines from a cue card? He set a record in those days. To me, Sinatra as a singer is good, not an actor. But MB was one of a kind, he didn't care for nothing, fully aware of his worth, he went around doing as he pleased.
@IDidItMyWay78 If MB was a horrible actor, why was he paid more than the lead actor in Superman, for a 15 minute appearance, wherein he read lines from a cue card? He set a record in those days. To me, Sinatra as a singer is good, not an actor. But MB was one of a kind, he didn't care for nothing, fully aware of his worth, he went around doing as he pleased.
@IDidItMyWay78 Brando intentionally screwed with Sinatra. To call Brando a bad actor or overrated you must have never seen Streetcar, nor Waterfront , Nor Viva Zapata, Julius Ceasar, Young Lions. Nominated for 6 out of his 1st 7 films for an Oscar. To this day no actor has started his career better than Brando to me the best cinema actor ever
@IDidItMyWay78 Actually, Brando was known for being one of the most iconic method actors there are. So you are quite misinformed, or just really bad at seeing actor's talents.
@TheAnastasiachavez Not sure about the likeness you see to be quite honest. I think he nailed James Dean's look already just because he looked the spitting image of him.
This is the famous scene where Brando kept blowing his lines forcing Sinatra to eat too much cheesecake. He finally exploded 'How much cheesecake do you think I can eat?' He walked off the set and told the director 'Put me in the game when Mumbles is through rehearsing.' He thought Brando the world's most overated actor. Brando said 'Frank's the kind of guy when he gets to heaven he's gonna find God and yell at him for making him bald.'
Dean was considered an actor after SOME CAME RUNNING and the YOUNG LIONS. After that he did a series of comedies and of course the Matt Helm spy movies were popular. His performance in AIRPORT was considered one of his best. His best role was as John Wayne's alcoholic deputy in RIO BRAVO which is considered a triumph by everybody. Brando read the script for him and told him what to think about-the DTs, the bottle,John Wayne and the bad guys.
@IDidItMyWay78 I swear Dean Martin isn't remembered as a great actor. As a singer, however, he is vastly underated. I far prefer his songs to Sinatra's.
@owenhunt Dean was good as the recovering drunk in Rio Bravo. He was advised by Brando as to how to play the part. What about the Matt Helm movies? Is he cool or what? I haven't seen them in years.
@1915fas From the little I've seen of Dean in film, I recall him cutting an affable presence in the majority of flicks he appeared in. His true calling was belting out rich Italian ballads, the talent that made a fan out of me.
@owenhunt RTV is showing KISS ME STUPID Friday at 12:30 PM. It's a Dino film I''ve never seen. In this lighthearted comedy, Dean Martin plays a famous singer targeted by two would-be songwriters who encourage a cocktail waitress (Kim Novak) to coerce Dino into a song-buying mood.
@1915fas Nor have I seen it. Is this one based in an expatriate corner of Italy? If so, I may have seen a song clip from a scene in the film on this very site.
@owenhunt Actually, I meant to write THIS TV. THIS is a digital channel of a regular NBC network affiliate such as WDIV Channel 4 in Detroit which subscribes to THIS. I don't know if in the UK you have a similar arrangement among private television concerns such as ITV. THIS shows mostly mediocre movies -2 out of 4 star rated- with commercial interruptions every 15 minutes. Lots of repeats if you miss a showing.
@1915fas Sounds liked you're very clued up on television networks. ITV does happen to show the chaff over the wheat when it comes to movies. But, I don't believe affiliates are a large economy in the UK - bar the odd sitcom such as Friends or Fraiser.
@1915fas Brando intentionally screwed with Sinatra. To call Brando a bad actor or overrated you must have never seen Streetcar, nor Waterfront , Nor Viva Zapata, Julius Ceasar, Young Lions. Nominated for 6 out of his 1st 7 films for an Oscar. To this day no actor has started his career better than Brando to me the best cinema actor ever
@daxeboy9 I've seen all of his movies many years ago and since. He never wanted to learn lines. George C. Scott also found out about this on the Formula set. He was more eccentric than anything else. By the time of Sayonara, Young Lions and One Eyed Jacks he's becoming very mannered. Brooding and pausing a long time. Fletcher Christian was funny and believable at the same time. He disliked his Godfather performance. 'What did I know about a 65 year-old Italian who smokes goat-shit cigars?'
Men with class...they don't make men like this anymore.
heyjudeee 15 hours ago
"brando was a notoriously bad actor"
lol the fuck?
sickpax1 1 week ago
Who said Brando was a horrible actor? I mean, people have seen other movies with him in it, right? In A Streetcar Named Desire, he perfectly embodied masculine brutality and courseness without being over the top but by simply being a strong, uncompromising presence. However, in On the Waterfront, you see scenes with him showing basic frailty of one man against the group, doing a very good job of it, while still retaining the strength of youth. I don't know who could call him a bad actor.
rockerhead247 2 weeks ago
Sinatra is a great actor. If you look at his performance, he is throwing a tantrum cause they didn't offer him Sky. I didn't notice it till someone pointed it out to me, but now i see it in a lot of the scenes.
Still and AMAZING movie/show
Davidmitrano 3 weeks ago
Marlon Brando looks a lot like Ed Westwick (Chuck Bass from gossip girl) :P But way better acting of course :D
WillMasterke 1 month ago
Lucky this isn't a spelling bee "euphamisms"? "stroodle"?
novakralph 1 month ago
are they talking about euphamisms? i havnt seen the movie
astroboirap 1 month ago
did he just say stroodle!?
RobTheBernardinosaur 1 month ago
I try to listen to what brando is saying but I keep having to rewind that part since I fail to hear everything and look at his face:)
scholte 1 month ago
Im fairly sure that Chuck Bass actor get's his inspiration from Marlon Brando in this movie...SULTRY!
Alibbiyax 2 months ago
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TehCoyote 2 months ago
marlon brando was sooooooooooooo sexyyyyy, its soooooo unrealllllllllllll
pam111xxx 2 months ago
Frank Sinatra won one oscar. And that was due to Montgomery Clift(one of the greatest actors) spending time with him on the set.. working on his character. If he merely just relied on his shitty acting talent there probably wouldn't of been an oscar. Good singer, though.
TehCoyote 3 months ago
@TehCoyote Sinatra was excellent in Suddenly and Man With The Golden Arm for which he was nominated for another Oscar. Also The Manchurian Candidate.
1915fas 1 month ago
Frank Sinatra won Oscars!
lady7410 3 months ago
@lady7410 Brando won I and was nominated for 6 of his 1st 7 films, no one has ever duplicated that in cinema history. Nominate for Streetcar(2nd film),Viva Zapata(3rd film) Wild Ones(4th film) Julius Caesar(5th film) Waterfront(5th film ) he wins Oscar, and Sayonara( I believe his 6th or 7th film)
daxeboy9 1 month ago
Sinatra is the best ever!!great singer great actor great man!
davideswing 3 months ago
Marlon Brando=Hot !
MsJazzkitty 3 months ago 2
Brando would do a good joker. :)
kristovfur 3 months ago
The truth is this dialogue sucked it's not real no one talks like that. Brando is a genuine actor and the dialogue in this scene was horrible.
juicemccaine 3 months ago
@juicemccaine Which seems to say he was miscast. Gene Kelly wanted the part but MGM refused to loan him out.
1915fas 1 month ago
Ahh, the chauvinistic 50's, gotta love it.
HuggiMa 4 months ago 2
@HuggiMa What's Napoleon got to do with it? :O
Quex01 4 months ago
@HuggiMa I miss it:/
frankieknuckles0625 3 months ago
friends. Marlon Brando is the best of the best, no discussion, so far the others
hectoruizmora 4 months ago 3
Marlon Brando is considered the greatest actor to ever live. Period. Duh.
Emmytaytay1 5 months ago 2
Marlon brando the si nging spectacle
Dalek1230 6 months ago
Marlon and Elvis were and still are the two most biggest men in the entertainment buisness. I can see why Sinatra could hate them!
TheYammit 6 months ago
@TheYammit No, Sinatra was far bigger, and in more categories, had more influence and connections. Brando had nothing but flops from Fugitive Kind to The Nightcomers just before the Godfather. He couldn't get a job for two years and said so on Mike Douglas' show. Elvis' movies speak for themselves. As a singer he should have stood with all the other great soul singers but lost interest in recording and turned out so much schlock.
1915fas 1 month ago
this was a good scene. "one of these days in your travels a guy's gonna show u a brand new deck a cards on which the seal is not yet broken..." i just love the way brando talks while telling the story.
samdean2005 7 months ago
@samdean2005 Me too. Love to imitate this.
1915fas 1 month ago
brando rocks <3...sinatra nha nha only as a singer....
18passione 8 months ago
As far as I know, Paramount didn't want Marlon because he was difficult to work with... I understand he was troublemaker on set, or something.
But despite that, he was an unbelievable actor, no doubt.
juliequimik 10 months ago
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sadasjnfal 1 year ago
What a joke. Brando is the greatest film actor ever. Just because you don't personally like him doesn't mean you should slag him off and call him a bad actor.
toby099 1 year ago 2
Marlon Brando hated Frank Sinatra, and Sinatra hated Brando.
Goedhartbros 1 year ago 2
the Actor and the Singer...
Orazioflacco78 1 year ago 2
Frank didn't like Elvis either ...
miltsar 2 years ago
the godfather and the tucseno
vanfree56 2 years ago
Brandos cool. Sinatra sucks at acting, but is nice to look at. I hope James Franco plays him in Scorsese's biopic. They look like twins.
TheAnastasiachavez 2 years ago 12
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All respect, lol I dont know about that, Brando was known as a horrible actor.
So bad as it was said below, it forced Sinatra to walk out on the set after Brando took forever and still couldnt get his lines right.
IDidItMyWay78 2 years ago
While I don't consider Brando to be the best actor ever, he's cool because he holds his own in the scene. Sinatra was notorious for walking off sets, this doesn't mean he had the ability to judge what was good or bad acting, he just had the personality that granted him the right to walk off a set and do whatever the hell wanted merely because he could.
TheAnastasiachavez 2 years ago 6
Well i takes more than an hour for the man to get one line right, thats enough to make the most patient actor walk off the set.
Brando was a notoriously bad actor, in his time they're werent many actors lining up to work him, nor studios.
He did a great job in godfather....
But even Coppola had to beg Paramount & Executives to cast him.
Most wanted no part of the man.
Dont get me wrong, i was a big fan of both myself, just saying to say that about Sinatra here isnt fair.
IDidItMyWay78 2 years ago
Yes, I could see where that would piss someone off. All I'm saying is that someone with a fuse the size of a cm. it's understable as to why Frank said to hell with it. 1915fas -"Put me in the game when Mumbles is through rehearsing." Now that is hilarious AND it's genius.
TheAnastasiachavez 2 years ago
@IDidItMyWay78 that doesn't mean he was a bad actor. He was very difficult to work with, and admittedly some of his roles were not the best. That being said, being difficult to work with and lazy at times doesn't mean he was a bad actor.
minkus87 1 month ago
But I'm not knocking Frank, that's my guy. I just wouldn't consider him a fine actor, is all. But he sure in the hell aint too bad on the eyes....men and women would agree x D
TheAnastasiachavez 2 years ago
Marlon Brando was a brilliant actor, I don't know what in God's name you're talking about
breeeegs 1 year ago 2
@TheAnastasiachavez may I ask who you think IS the best actor ever? and if you cannot pick, who do you think is a better actor than Brando?
patrickbass20 2 months ago
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Every actor is different. But if I had to pick I would say Montgomery Clift is very much in competition with Brando. He came before him aswell and at that time people would say Brando is the new Montgomery Clift.
TehCoyote 2 months ago
@TehCoyote I like Clift for the way he interiorized his acting when playing characters who carried a terrible secret-like the guy in A Place In The Sun or the priest in I Confess.
1915fas 1 month ago
@TehCoyote Your right. At a party Brando said to Clift, 'People tell me I remind them of you. But I don't see it.' They took off on Brando's Indian Chief. All Broadway was afraid that the two greatest hopes of the American theatre would get killed! Years later when Clift was a hopeless addict, Brando told him 'Your my touchstone. I thought we could keep challenging each other.' It was no use. Brando said to a friend, 'Monty is a lost cause.'
1915fas 1 week ago
@patrickbass20 Depends on the material. Brando rightly disliked his Antony in Julius Caesar. He thought Americans should leave Shakespeare to the British. He was visually impressive in that film. Olivier, Gielgud, Branagh are great at Shakespeare but not so great at living on the screen in naturalistic modern parts. The limits of Brando's technique are revealed in Last Tango where he was asked to improvise and the dialogue is often banal as in Apocalypse Now.
1915fas 1 month ago
@IDidItMyWay78 Brando said he messed up only on the scenes with Sinatra 'cause Sinatra was such a crap actor but his ego was so bad he ignored direction..so Brando said he purposefully delayed the takes so that Sinatra would do multitakes unitl brando felt he did it better! When the film was released in 1955 Brando got the best review while Sinatra was dubbed 'good so long as he sings'.
su79er 11 months ago
@su79er The New Yorker critic observed that Brando sang 'through a rather unyielding set of sinuses.'
1915fas 1 month ago
@IDidItMyWay78 He messed up his lines on purpose as a joke to make Frank Sinatra eat cheesecake which in real life he hates.
BenJamminAsh 8 months ago
@IDidItMyWay78
mh Marlon Brando was a strong actor, one of the best of his time. Knowing your lines doesn't make you a good actor, thats like saying knowing how to hold a gun makes you a good cop!
TheCitymonster 6 months ago 22
@IDidItMyWay78
"Brando was known as a horrible actor."
do you realize that your sentence, whatever you meant by saying that, is sooooo stupid... :)
ivstepa 5 months ago 32
@ivstepa it's called trolling ;)
batiris 4 months ago
@IDidItMyWay78 If MB was a horrible actor, why was he paid more than the lead actor in Superman, for a 15 minute appearance, wherein he read lines from a cue card? He set a record in those days. To me, Sinatra as a singer is good, not an actor. But MB was one of a kind, he didn't care for nothing, fully aware of his worth, he went around doing as he pleased.
inspiredbymj 5 months ago
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@IDidItMyWay78 If MB was a horrible actor, why was he paid more than the lead actor in Superman, for a 15 minute appearance, wherein he read lines from a cue card? He set a record in those days. To me, Sinatra as a singer is good, not an actor. But MB was one of a kind, he didn't care for nothing, fully aware of his worth, he went around doing as he pleased.
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@IDidItMyWay78 Brando intentionally screwed with Sinatra. To call Brando a bad actor or overrated you must have never seen Streetcar, nor Waterfront , Nor Viva Zapata, Julius Ceasar, Young Lions. Nominated for 6 out of his 1st 7 films for an Oscar. To this day no actor has started his career better than Brando to me the best cinema actor ever
daxeboy9 1 month ago
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yeppers116 2 weeks ago
@IDidItMyWay78 Actually, Brando was known for being one of the most iconic method actors there are. So you are quite misinformed, or just really bad at seeing actor's talents.
yeppers116 2 weeks ago
@TheAnastasiachavez Not sure about the likeness you see to be quite honest. I think he nailed James Dean's look already just because he looked the spitting image of him.
TheSteelStallion 2 months ago
@TheAnastasiachavez James Franco played James Dean in a TV/Moive
JamesJonathon013 2 months ago
true words
vuotopiuscuro 1 month ago
@TheAnastasiachavez Frank sinatra is good at acting. Watch Marraige on Rocks.
TwisteDiscs 1 week ago
@TwisteDiscs I hope to someday. I look for it on RTV.
1915fas 1 week ago
This is the famous scene where Brando kept blowing his lines forcing Sinatra to eat too much cheesecake. He finally exploded 'How much cheesecake do you think I can eat?' He walked off the set and told the director 'Put me in the game when Mumbles is through rehearsing.' He thought Brando the world's most overated actor. Brando said 'Frank's the kind of guy when he gets to heaven he's gonna find God and yell at him for making him bald.'
1915fas 2 years ago 8
Yeah well that was personal i think.
Brando was one of a kind love him or hate him.
If over rated actors upset him so much he should have had a bigger issue with one of his closest friends.
I'm a fan and respect to all, but Dean Martin is one of the all time most over rated.
He could sing, and his variety show was the greatest, nothing but laughs...
But the man couldnt act worth a lick.
IDidItMyWay78 2 years ago
Dean was considered an actor after SOME CAME RUNNING and the YOUNG LIONS. After that he did a series of comedies and of course the Matt Helm spy movies were popular. His performance in AIRPORT was considered one of his best. His best role was as John Wayne's alcoholic deputy in RIO BRAVO which is considered a triumph by everybody. Brando read the script for him and told him what to think about-the DTs, the bottle,John Wayne and the bad guys.
1915fas 2 years ago
That's hilarious. Mumbles. Sinatra was a prick.
TheAnastasiachavez 2 years ago
@IDidItMyWay78 I swear Dean Martin isn't remembered as a great actor. As a singer, however, he is vastly underated. I far prefer his songs to Sinatra's.
owenhunt 1 year ago
@owenhunt Dean was good as the recovering drunk in Rio Bravo. He was advised by Brando as to how to play the part. What about the Matt Helm movies? Is he cool or what? I haven't seen them in years.
1915fas 1 month ago
@1915fas From the little I've seen of Dean in film, I recall him cutting an affable presence in the majority of flicks he appeared in. His true calling was belting out rich Italian ballads, the talent that made a fan out of me.
owenhunt 1 week ago
@owenhunt RTV is showing KISS ME STUPID Friday at 12:30 PM. It's a Dino film I''ve never seen. In this lighthearted comedy, Dean Martin plays a famous singer targeted by two would-be songwriters who encourage a cocktail waitress (Kim Novak) to coerce Dino into a song-buying mood.
1915fas 1 week ago
@1915fas Nor have I seen it. Is this one based in an expatriate corner of Italy? If so, I may have seen a song clip from a scene in the film on this very site.
owenhunt 6 days ago
@owenhunt No it's based outside of Vegas in a town called 'Climax.' Dino is playing himself and there are in jokes about the Rat Pack.
1915fas 5 days ago
@1915fas Intriguing enough. I hail from the UK and can't access this 'RTV'. Any chance I can watch the film on Netflix or Lovefilm.com?
owenhunt 5 days ago
@owenhunt Actually, I meant to write THIS TV. THIS is a digital channel of a regular NBC network affiliate such as WDIV Channel 4 in Detroit which subscribes to THIS. I don't know if in the UK you have a similar arrangement among private television concerns such as ITV. THIS shows mostly mediocre movies -2 out of 4 star rated- with commercial interruptions every 15 minutes. Lots of repeats if you miss a showing.
1915fas 4 days ago
@1915fas Sounds liked you're very clued up on television networks. ITV does happen to show the chaff over the wheat when it comes to movies. But, I don't believe affiliates are a large economy in the UK - bar the odd sitcom such as Friends or Fraiser.
owenhunt 19 hours ago
@IDidItMyWay78 Im confused then why is he considered the best ever?. srry 4 the late reply
guileniam 5 months ago
@1915fas Brando intentionally screwed with Sinatra. To call Brando a bad actor or overrated you must have never seen Streetcar, nor Waterfront , Nor Viva Zapata, Julius Ceasar, Young Lions. Nominated for 6 out of his 1st 7 films for an Oscar. To this day no actor has started his career better than Brando to me the best cinema actor ever
daxeboy9 1 month ago
@daxeboy9 I've seen all of his movies many years ago and since. He never wanted to learn lines. George C. Scott also found out about this on the Formula set. He was more eccentric than anything else. By the time of Sayonara, Young Lions and One Eyed Jacks he's becoming very mannered. Brooding and pausing a long time. Fletcher Christian was funny and believable at the same time. He disliked his Godfather performance. 'What did I know about a 65 year-old Italian who smokes goat-shit cigars?'
1915fas 1 month ago