Michael Collins Part 10

[MYNAMEISTHERANDOMEST]

"Will ye marry me?" "Yeah" "Deadly....It's that simple?" "Yeah"

[MrCraigodriscoll]

"Your Seven Minutes late Mr Collins

You Kept us waiting 700 years, You can have your 7 minutes"

Without a doubt the greatest line from any movie on this planet! :D

[SOCKIEtheMONSTER]

why do they have an english person playing the role of eamonn devalera what the fuck are they thinking ruined the whole movie english people runed our country now they ruin the movie

[bigjohnny1998]

I hate the way that the Brits labeled Michael as a terrorist when Dev did all this.

And did anyone else notice the flag at 2:13 was an Irish republic flag not an Irish free state flag??????

[Pacman117productions]

He's my great great great uncle!

RIP

Michael Collins

[MYNAMEISTHERANDOMEST]

@Pacman117productions Yeah sure he is. My Surname is Collins. He's not related to me. I think

[Pacman117productions]

@MYNAMEISTHERANDOMEST My surname is Galvin, i'm still related to him from my great grandmothers dads brothers son.

[MYNAMEISTHERANDOMEST]

@Pacman117productions Mmm.

[Pacman117productions]

@MYNAMEISTHERANDOMEST I'm not lying he was my great grandmothers cousin

[MYNAMEISTHERANDOMEST]

@Pacman117productions So you are the man who put's flowers on his grave weekly yeah?

[Pacman117productions]

@MYNAMEISTHERANDOMEST Maybe. Maybe not.

[Pacman117productions]

@MYNAMEISTHERANDOMEST.Maybe

[Pacman117productions]

@MYNAMEISTHERANDOMEST Maybe.

[MYNAMEISTHERANDOMEST]

@Pacman117productions Yeah okay I believe he might be related to you but you're not the guy I said.

[Pacman117productions]

@MYNAMEISTHERANDOMEST I'm not that secret french lady if that's what you're asking about. I'm not a secret. I send flowers weekly or monthly.

[MrPieisgoodlol]

Fucking Dev...

[ecureuil85]

Is there anything sadder on this earth than civil war?

[scientific1982]

Saddest time in our history. Brother against brother. The scars are still there.

[Dropsquad2]

What does "half penny place" mean?

[garethella]

without a doubt Julia Robert's performance is the undisputed highlight of this mediocre shitflick, to romanticise these hooligans is sickening ,micheal collins got what he deserved.

[devlin7575]

Alan Rickman's accent is appalling



[Tuigim]

@devlin7575

So tell the others to stop pickin' on Julia.

She did a better job than Rickman who was really annoying.

[ecureuil85]

@devlin7575 Much as I love him I have to agree. He sounds German half the time.

[Yashin9109]

1 person doesn't want to wear that hat

[Bonnman100]

lol I know it may not seem like it, but if you retrace history for the last 1000 years. England has been at fault for everything except ww1.

[jonoessex]

@Bonnman100 England couldn't have solely been responsible for anything after 1707 because it has not been independent since then but in a union with scotland and wales. I see you're american. Can't see how england was responsible for the savage war your nation waged in Vietnam.

[Lousypenguin]

90 years of independence and we're still no better off. We got our so called independce from Britian only to give it away to Brussels 50 years later. Fucking government.

[TomBarry192I]

@Lousypenguin Ireland never recieved indepenence unless you think ireland is the British designed 26 county state? 

[Lousypenguin]

@TomBarry192I If you read my post again you'll see I said "So Called Independance".

[TheEricevils]

Like Collins I think he is a hero of Ireland but I would have been against him in the civil war and against the treaty we should have kept fighting the Brits i think they would have giving us a better deal

[breethebhoy]

a civil war only suited the brits though as if their willing to kill each other it saved them a job, i agree with your point on a 4 county north but the brits were never going to budge, ireland even being as small as it is was always seen as a threat to britain

[jonoessex]

@breethebhoy The brits only partitioned ireland to solve the problem of unionist opposition to independence. It is irresponsible of the film not to explain this. This film is brilliant propaganda for dissident republicans!

[jimmy27paul]

@jonoessex And your suffering from british propaganda.

[breethebhoy]

de valera was nothing but a fame hungry bastard...he would rather that more irish die killing each other than fight alongside collins for a complete republic through democracy!!!

[DownhillIE]

@breethebhoy That would never have happened. The only way there would be no partition within 80 years or so of the War of Indipendence is if the British Government listened to the Border Commitions advice and made a 4 county North that wouldn't be able to survive economically.

[GallagherWellerBrown]

Can people please stop learning their history from this and movies like it, and just enjoy it for what it is; more or less a piece of fiction with a few real names, places, dates and events?

[OhLoArD]

@GallagherWellerBrown ur sayin this is fiction!?

[GallagherWellerBrown]

@OhLoArD Not all of it, but it's a highly fictionalised account of what happened. To use but one example, Ned Broy died a fair bit after Collins, and it wasn't at the hands of the Brits. BUt, that wouldn't have made as good a story...

[OhLoArD]

@GallagherWellerBrown he broy didnt die from brits hanging them, and there isnt a road facing the gpo, but there isnt alot of fiction in there tbh, main thing, micheal was a hero, hero of the irish and thans not fiction

[GallagherWellerBrown]

@OhLoArD That's debatable. I'm not sure exactly where I stand on the issue, but it's a very entertaining film, and an interesting story.

[bhumi59]

de valera is actually a double crossing and greedy for power type of person, he sent michael collins to the british, so that when collins come back he would be the one bringing the bad news, de levera thinks that by civil war he can gain republic!! look what his stupid ideas brought the irish people into!!!... he should have been hanged for his greed!!!!!!

[DownhillIE]

@bhumi59 Learn to spell De Valera right

[zbalder14]

were dev and his followers really this idealist

[larcm3]

The only weak part of this movie is Julia Robert. She was really unnecessary in this movie.

[Pocadottie]

youve kept us waiting 700 years you can have your seven minutes! fecking brilliant mick!

[crossybhoy]

arn't they making a film about James Connolly at the moment. I'd heard Liam Neeson was asked to reprise his role of Michael Collins (lets face it, he'd look too old, but it would only be a cameo at best)? Any info is welcomed... from a memeber of the James Connolly Republican Flute Band

[MossyKong]

Will Julia Roberts not FUCK OFF!

[arisuta2]

Looking forward to the day when the butcher's apron comes down for the last time over Edinburgh castle as well.

Saor Alba agus saor Erin!

[eamon4800]

to me devalera was in the right and michael collins was in the right when he was fighting for all irish freedom before he betraid the north

[Nicholaiofbrition]

Why it is that Alan Rickman is THE bad guy amongst the good guys? Is it because he is the only main character that is played by a Brit?

[ItchyBirdDmb]

@Nicholaiofbrition it has nothing to do with the actors nationality- there are several Americans playing irish here- its most likely because the real life man was a figurehead who primary interest was personal power

[Jurassic0Al]

@Nicholaiofbrition- Well, he plays Eamon De Valera. Whether he's a 'good' guy or 'bad' guy depends on your perspective.

[scratbox99]

Sold us lads from the north down the fucking river.free state bastards! Collins was a hero, DEV fucked everything up.

[Logicopositivi]

@scratbox99 Hard to know. His hand was really forced by the IRA volunteers who occupied the four courts.

[Chriseycarlyeah324]

snape what are you doing? you messing everything up,

[foleybarbarian]

Go fuck your self you jacken!

[stardaddyo9]

every time julia roberts comes on screen this movie comes to a screeching halt

[foleybarbarian]

Down in Bandon, it said that De Valera was in a car in Cork waiting for the News of Collins Death so Fuck De Valera, Half American shit head

[IneptTroopr]

This movie does a great job of massively oversimplifying the actual events and perspectives of the Irish Civil War, making the anti-Treaty side out to be caricatures. I sympathize with both sides tbh, but I think The Wind that Shakes the Barley does a much more mature and realistic job of showing the heart wrenching choices people on both sides made thinking they were in the right....

[foleybarbarian]

Civil War! in Ireland was a Shame!! That Langer 4 eye fuck! knew we could never get the 32 so he sent Collins over to do his Work and take the Dirt for it!!!

A true Cork Man killed by the hands of Dump Ass Flag Waving Jackens!! And Yes he was Killed in Cork by the orders of Dublin

[elmarcoco]

@foleybarbarian what a silly comment

[manthasagittarius]

@IneptTroopr They complement each other. This one is shredding my nerves -- the other took my heart out. Taken together, it's a fair balance of scale between personal and, I suppose, national. As for oversimplifying -- impossible to get all the political nuance in a period like this in a feature length film. Reminds me of all the facets of the Spanish Civil War they've tried to cover in movies. Nobody gets it in one alone.

[teague67]

what is with alan rickmans accent? kind of vacillates between germany and turkey. at the moment hes somewhere in hungary i think.

[philyB08]

de valera was jealous of michael collin's that's why he wanted to tarnish his reputation he wanted to be the celebrity not michael he only started doing big rally speeches whenthe treaty came about his personnal vanity got in the way of a free together ireland

[kingnikolaj]

Michael Collins:" do I get to wear that hat?"

[5311ATB]

as for his role in the civil war? I don't think he fought Irishmen for the sake of his stand on the issues, nor did he sided with Britain. It was the simple matter of either the Free State's ability to maintain the peace or have the British Forces do it for them, thus loosing every bit of hope of self-determination.

Would, had there been a small chance to fight off the British, Collins have joined De Valera's side?

I think so, but realisticly, they wouldn't have had a chance in merry hell.

[SALTYWOOFHOUND]

@5311ATB Very ably put. So many forget that this and the preceding truce gave recognition to the "nation". Free state, Eire, R.O.I, Ireland are labels to the most important issue, self determination.

[5311ATB]

and then, from a position of strenght, perhaps with more moderate men in charge in Westminster, take up the matter of the North and the position of Ireland as a whole in it's relationship to Britain, a nation mind you, Collins DID NOT HATE blindly as did some, including De Valera. I suppose the reason Collins did get as much concessions out of the British as he did was just because of his realistic and moderate caracter. I doubt however, he left little uncertain as to where he stood

[Japanologe]

Valera was subject to an enormous sophism.

[5311ATB]

with all due respect, De Valera was a romantic, an idiot and in the end all his dreams turned Ireland into a relative backwards country and western Europe's poor house.

Ireland deserved a lot better than that

[Aristo94]

better poor and free, than rich and enslaved

[5311ATB]

@ Aristo94:

As a matter of principle I would agree, the rotten truth however is that the Irish had little of either option.

[Aristo94]

Oh we had the option to fight for our freedom.

It's too sad that micheal accepted that treaty,

I'm standing on the side of de Valera's, he had the opportunity to fight against britain, but he fought Irishmen instead.

[5311ATB]

@ Aristo94,

I suppose Collins could have opted to reject the treaty, but if anyone within the IRB had an insight as to what the British responce would be, it must have been Collins. It takes a wise man to see a fight for what it is and restrain himself when other take the luxury of "the moral high ground"

By his own words, Collins didn't see the treaty as the final solution, but rather as a means to stall for time, build a proper home-army and work the British public

[stedav]

Aristo94

If the Treaty of 22' hadn't been signed, its more than likely the Republic would never have been achieved, at least until the end of the Empire. Churchill and the rest would have driven over it like a bulldozer, trying to grab on to it in attempt to save the last territories of a failing Empire. Don't forget Collins was threatened with all out war from Britain if the treaty wasn't accepted. Saying that both the Free-Staters and Republicans, lost sight of the original goal.

[SALTYWOOFHOUND]

If you consider his polarised view against the treaty (the stepping stone to the republic) DeValera employed arguements of huge sophism.

Irish blood spilled is down to him, more than any other, Griffiths, Collins, Cosgave, et co.

[FinianFerryTV]

its sad that he did so much for this country with men like this and because they werent smart and they were trigger happy uthey didnt c the treaty as a stepping stone to better things.

[Peadarisback]

@SALTYWOOFHOUND De Valera used the "Irish blood" speech to please the more fanatical IRA anti-treaty unit's he was a modreate anti-treaty man.

I do however agree that he has a huge responsabitliy for some of the blood shed in the civil-war....However Cosgrave caused a bit as well...

[xTradHeadx]

Rory O'Connor,Liam Mellowes,Liam Lynch,Tom Barry,etc., - True Irish men

[Jenndxx]

Ye're a shower of ungrateful cunts.

[Topnotch121]

who?why?

[Jenndxx]

Im talking about the people complaining below V

[bumass666]

For Fuck Sake Man!

[Topnotch121]

alright mate,i have the end of collins now and im just uploading it.itl be up by tonight i hope!

[bumass666]

For fuck sake man! you just fucking ruined my night!

[rj5150]

Is this the last part?

[Topnotch121]

nope,sorry mate ive to wait a while to get the last half hour.i lost disc two of the movie.