American food is the best!! Hey you chefs may get pissed about our food but it can be found everywhere. Open an Italian, German, French resturant anywhere in the world, that is of high quality and you have a 80% chance of failure. Now open a Mcdonalds anywhere in the world and bam 95% success rate. Say what you will, but America always does it better.
Seems odd to compare a "high quality" restaurant to a fast food joint, particularly since you have high end American restaurants which are far less successful than their fast food counterparts. Yet I would still claim food by Bobby Flay is better than Ronald McDonald.
Not to mention that the success of McDonalds is hardly about the food - for one thing their burgers never make it to the top of taste tests even in the US. Its a demonstration in the power of branding if anything.
@alin1975 If food is bad people will not return, just watch Kitchen Nightmares. Quality is realtive, I know many many people who love McDonalds more than any other food in the world. It is not branding as much as if is understanding what people truly want to eat. Boddy Flay maybe great but no matter what he does he will never claim a billion customers served. The USA figured this out and made billions. Other countries simply can not do this.
Every single consumer survey that I have seen rates other burgers higher. So, lets please abandon the notion that people generally think they are the best tasting.
McDonalds is a typical business case in branding, they were first year bachelor stuff back at uni. Flay and other quality restaurants happen to be far more expensive. You pay for quality or you eat standardised and cheap.
Also dont mistake the lack of huge chains with a lower popularity for the TYPE of food.
@alin1975 Does matter, what matters is the number of customers. Say what you will, right now as Ramsey put it "the best resturants in the world are going out of business in this economy." yet McDonalds grows. Something you learn in business 101, is data tells the truth not personal feelings. Again more than a billion people served. No one can call that just branding, sorry but people still crave McDonalds in every part of the globe. They are everything right about food
Again, you fail to factor in price. Top restaurants are expensive. The fact that McDonalds grows in a poor economy supports my argument not yours - and please dont tell me what they teach in business 101.
The fact that McDonals routinely ranks below other US chains in taste tests again supports my position
And you missed my point regarding type of food vs specific restaurant chains. E.g. Italian food can be more popular overall without having a large chain.
Just since you brought it up. In business, you never, ever just throw statistics out there without analysis and without trying to understand consumer behaviour. And in this case, there are several motivators other than food quality. In the same paragraph you mentioned the economy and yet didnt think of linking price to success... time to take business 102 I think.
@alin1975 First the data is all there for you to read. I am not stating what has not been researched extensively. Your opinion about McDonalds quality is subjective on your part. Reasearch has shown that many consumers are addicted to McDonalds food. Economy has been shown to have little impact on McDonalds. For example look at China and Russia where many people will save all year just to eat there. So again, you have flaws in your analysis
I have seen many taste tests and consumer voting done in the US. Not once have I seen McDonalds win, most of the time they are not even on the list. So subjective, my opinion is not.
The economy argument is bogus and I already showed you why.
The situation in Russia (etc) is again due to branding. In poorer areas it is (or at least it was) a status symbol.
Again, its about understanding consumer motivation. Remember, the argument is about food quality, nothing else.
Even though I am pretty sure you will just continue to ignore whatever doesnt suit your little patriotic rant, this is the third time I will try to get through to you the difference between the popularity of a nations type of food and the existence of big chains. Honestly its not that hard to grasp.
I am indulging you on the McDonalds argument since it is so ridiculous I cant help myself, but in the end its not even relevant.
@alin1975 I think you are not understanding the prinicples of marketing. Again in basic business you need to look at data not your feelings. When you mentioned how McDonalds failed in taste tests against other chains, you failed to realize those where US chains. My arguement is the US leads the world in food. Now getting back to pricing, you are again not looking at data. If a family eats at McDonalds or Burger King they can expect pay $30. These chains are not cheap anymore.
You are aware I have a masters degree in this no? Thats on my profile. What isn't is that I also work within marketing
The fact that McDonalds fails in taste tests is a clear indication that their no.1 position is not due to taste. If a family eats at a medium to high end restaurant the price will be many, many times higher. No comparison here at all.
Most importantly, the point you ignore every time - big chains do not mean greater popularity for a certain type of national food
@alin1975 So what I have an MBA too. That certainly does not qualify you or me. There are a lot of over educated idiots with MBA's. Throwing your degree around shows a bit of naivety on your part. So now lets get back to the US being the masters of food. Just so you know the studies you are qouting were conducted by McDonalds competitors. Although I would say Burger King and Five Brothers serve a very good hambuger. Again you still havent shown why your fancy food fares poor against McD's.
Listen, if you actually do have an MBA, then you must know how you misused statistics before. I dont care who issued that MBA or how stupid you might be, you are either lying about it or you know full well you stepped in it.
I already pointed out the price issue and showed why your arguments were false.
Before I go any further, please acknowledge the point I have made in every post. The fact that having large chains does not reflect upon the popularity of a national type of food.
@alin1975 Getting a little testy are we haha. Now lets look at your statement, "The fact that having large chains does not reflect upon the popularity of a national type of food" . Is this not an oxymoron? I want you to think about this. Now I am starting to feel like I am talking to a child. Your temper tantrum and disconnected ideas make me feel like I am arguing with my children. No one who works in the real world throws around an MBA hahaha It is so funny "I have an MBA" haha
Temper tantrum? I just spelled it out so you would understand. No MBA could analyse a case or use statistics this badly. Let alone ignore all counter arguments. We both pretty much know your goal here is to save face. Good luck with that :)
Now, I have explained that statement before (buying time much?). Large chains do not represent national food as a whole. How often people eat or buy a type of food does not depend on the existence of large chains. Italian is a great example.
@alin1975 This is like talking with a 15 year old. If you would spend more time addressing the argument, rather than being a sarcastic brat you would see the holes in your case. You still have not come close to explaining why Mcd's has 95% chance of success while your fancy places have an 85% chance of failure. So far you are getting an F
@alin1975 I think the problem here is you have made some truly stupid statements. You haven't been able to address my challenge. Why do US food chains fare better than your fancy places anywhere in the world. This is such a simple questions. Take McD's average cost for a meal $7 to $8, certainly not cheap. Why are billions eating there and "Loving It". Come on me something other than your little temper tantrums. You most have been one little ass to raise haha
Do you understand that the presence of large chains does not imply a greater popularity for a certain nation's food? That there can be more food of a certain type sold in smaller establishments, cooked at home, etc?
As for your McDumbass argument, I have answered it. Somehow you dont get the difference between 8 dollars and 80 dollars per meal, or the effect of branding.
It is indeed a simple question, but you seem unable to understand the answer - despite your MBA :)
@alin1975 "Do you understand that the presence of large chains does not imply a greater popularity for a certain nation's food?" This statement is like saying "Just because there are Chinese fast food chains on every corner in the US, this doesn't indicate Americans like Chinese food." Haha WTF, do your clients know you are ripping them off? You are a classic example of arrogance being far greater than someones ability and intelligence.
No at all. Its saying that because there may be Chinese food shops or pizzerias (or whatever) on most street corners they do not need to belong to one single giant chain to point to the success of their nation's food.
A lot of food that originates from nations other than the US is eaten in huge quantities from smaller establishments. Americans do indeed like Chinese food without there being a McLee chain.
You keep calling me an idiot yet fail to grasp the simplest of concepts.
@alin1975 Again US food chains almost always do better than the small mom and pop resturants. You can open a McD's in any country and the people line up, this is a guarantee. What you fail to understand is a customer doesn't return to a bad resturant with bad food. People all over the world are addicted to McD's, this is a fact. They are also addicted to many other US food chains. The key word here is "addicted".
But more food is sold of other types. Therefore the fact that a few big chains do well, does not mean American food is better than another country's food. So, on the one hand, chains do not represent the success of national food (pizza for example is extremely popular, as is Chinese food). On the other, there are many other factors than taste which determine McDonalds' success. So, the original argument does not hold (you can however commend McD for an excellent business model)
@alin1975 I have beem reading your debate. I think the problem maybe how you are coming across. I have been working in marketing for 15 years. What you have to learn is people will disagree with you. When I was new, I also got mad when people did not agree with me. If you are in a meeting you never want to throw around your degree. No one ever uses their degree in a business meeting as power. Also try not to come across as an uber know it all. I think this why people are anger with you.
Judging from the spelling I assume this is another clone account - since there simply cannot be so many highly educated people who can't write a simple sentence, but I will indulge you anyway.
The guy talks of "business 101" and that "I think you are not understanding the prinicples of marketing" (yes, "prinicples"), without being able to grasp that there is any other motivation beyond taste. The degree was information not power.
15 years in marketing and you write, well, like a 15 year old. No 40 year old marketing expert writes "an uber know it all" or "are anger with you".
Also, if you are to pull rank based on experience, don't make your fictitious character just a couple of years older than your target. Make him 10 or more years older...
@alin1975 Its ok, now your acting insane. There is no conspiracy aganist you or multiple accounts or whatever your trying to say. I bet you have high blood pressure, you take yourself and life way to seriously. If there are multiple people messing with you, then don't respond. If someone trolls you and makes you a joke, then don't feed into it. Go take a hot bath and relax.
Of course. Its just a coincidence that the discussion was joined by two 40 year olds, both with MBAs (to go with the MBA that TheSeer101 has). Its also a coincidence that all three are dumb as bricks, and cannot grasp first year bachelor level arguments. Also, it is a coincidence that they all write in the same way, using phrases that you would expect from a teenager, and that none of them installed a spellchecker.
Thank you for bringing me some fun to an otherwise dull day :)
@alin1975 Like I said, you are not well. If you are a grown person with an MBA, why are you arguing with bricks? By the way, MBA's are pretty common. I feel bad that I have upset you. It wasn't my intention, but you are lossing control. If it helps you feel better "you win" and "you are smarter than I'am":)
Are you kidding? I love this. I was very disappointed when you packed up your accounts and left.
I argue with "bricks" because I believe deep down that everyone can be reached. I do it for you. You are welcome.
MBAs may not be so rare, but you don't have one (and I speak now to all 3 of your aliases).
Now, back to the fun. For 10 points, which part of the phrase "you are lossing control" does not fit with someone who has an MBA? You can get this, I know you can.
@alin1975 McDonalds just posted record sales. So explain why people are eating Mcdonalds in record numbers? Hummm, branding I would guess is your answer. Looks like McD's is rolling over your fancy restaurants yet again.
A 100 dollar meal limits your potential clients, particularly in poor economic times.
I always said McDonalds has a great business model, but somehow your little brain can't wrap itself around the notion of there being multiple factors at play, rather than just taste. Its astounding that after all we discussed you could post something like this.
@alin1975 I never said you owned a fancy restaurant. What you are not understanding is the love people have for their burgers. You are lost in a very first year understanding of marketing. You have to learn more about the complexities of consumers. I think this is where you are getting confused and then angery. Again you are lost in explaining your position.
@alin1975 Ok, lets stay on topic. Now back to the debate young one. TGI Friday's and Longhorns are American chain restaurants that have slammed many high end restaurants. These restaurants charge fairly high prices, so explain their success over high end ones? Try to keep your paranoia to a minimum and focus. Let me give you a hint, think "process development". I should be charging you for this lesson.
I think you are confusing accounts. You were older than me on the other two :P
I looked up TGI (we dont have them here), and I saw a menu with items from 6 - 16$. Are you kidding me with "high prices"? Its even defined as "casual dining". Why can you not comprehend that there are multiple driving forces in the consumer purchase decision?
Now let me ask you this, how much do you think McDonalds would sell if the price of a Big Mac meal + a desert was 100$? Try to be honest plz...
@alin1975 Lol, genius you have Alin1975 as your sign. Humm, I am a guessing that is the year you were born. Just so you know, there are other people older than you in this world haha. If I was born before 1975 doesn't that make me older than you? I want you to think about that one lol Now lets focus and get back on point. Are there people willing to pay $100 for a simple McDs meal? Now think about this question. Do people in Russia save all year to eat one meal at McDs? This is a test.
@alin1975 You have an MBA, so your an expert? If you said that in my resturant I would punch you in the mouth. I am a trained chef, have an MBA and own three resturants. You can roll your MBA up and shove it up your ass. As for chain resturants not representing US food as a whole, this you are way off on. The US is the home of the chain resturant. You obviously havent traveled much, because that is how US food is seen. FYI Italian chains Carrabbas, Olive Garden, Papa Ginos, Macaroni Grill
The other guy is arguing that the success of McDonalds is solely due to the fact that they have the best tasting food in the world (including better than that served in high quality American restaurants). I argued that there are other factors involved. The education I pointed to when he said I "do not understand marketing".
My point was that large chains are not the single factor in determining the success of a nation's food.
I am not taking anything away from the success of large American chains. Its just not due to the fact that they serve the best food ever eaten.
Second, I am indeed an expert in marketing, and that is what I commented on. You have your restaurants, I have my marketing agency. The difference is, I can spell "restaurant".
Third, I live in Denmark, I was born in Romania, my parents are American, and I did 7 years in a British school... traveled enough for you?
@alin1975 So what you are saying is mommy an daddy paid for everything and spoiled you. If your little wise ass traveled to all these countries and you didn't learn the simple facts I stated, then you are an idiot. Also, no one cares how much of a marketing legend you believe yourself to be. You wrote "Why not ask next time?" I read over your little debate and you sound like a smartass know it all.
Do you, as the great restauranteur (sorry, let me put this in language you understand: "resturnateur") that you are, agree that McDonalds achieved its success because it has the best tasting food in the world? Is that your position? Because that is what I was arguing against.
As for the rest, you asked me if I traveled, you brought up your restaurants, and now you are whining and dodging points like the other guy. That to me, is being an idiot.
@alin1975 Now I know why Seer101 thinks your an idiot. He has an opinion and you can't seem to handle the fact that someone doesn't agree with you. You act like a snotty little brat who needs a good smacking. As for seer101's point, I understand it. It is pretty simple, but you just have no clue. He is simply saying that US food chains dominate in understanding what people really want to eat. There are many people with a serious McDonalds addiction. He makes an interesting point
Seer101 has argued that taste is the number one determining factor. He even argued that McDonalds makes better tasting food than Bobby Flay. I have said from the start that I commend these chains for their strategy, marketing, etc but I disagree that the US makes the best food in the world due to McDonalds' success.
What you are saying here, I dont disagree with one bit. But again, you come and call me an idiot, without even reading up enough to realise that you are making my point
You know, everyone says Mario is a nice guy and I believe them, but damn if he doesn't come off as a smug self-satisfied twat every time I hear him talk. Maybe its just because I hate people who insist on over-emphasizing their heritage (yes Mario, you totally need to pronounce every single word to the hilt), maybe it's just his accent, maybe it's his love affair with that insufferable patrician asshole Gwyneth Paltrow, but he just makes my skin crawl.
@PerfectionObsessive i have lived and worked in russia. That doesnt make me pronounce Moscow, Moskva.
Again, my opinion is that i do not appreciate the way americans pronounce itallian words. You may not like that, but i couldnt give a fuck, you bigotted american cunt.
@EvelcyclopS The fact that you think all Italians across the board say the same thing tells me you know jack shit about Italia. You really think a Calabrian says risotto the same was as someone from Milan? Of course not you uncultured peasant.
@darkoanton5 Again, if you haven't worked in a competitive kitchen, don't make calls like that. You wouldn't say it was wrong to tackle someone in Rugby, but you would in the normal world. It's that kind of thing.
@IronHarper I wouldn't say throwing something at somebody in any work place is right. In fact, it's assault. As a result bosses who do that should face the legal consequences. I'd be very surprised if Mario Batali did that to any of his employees. I make this call based on my perception of basic human decency. I suppose you can't see that. You make the Rugby comparison. Tackling is within the written rules of the sport.
@darkoanton5 It's a kitchen. It's how it works. You can't handle it, you don't do it. it's as simple as that. You don't give a fuck about human rights, you give a fuck about satisfying customers and producing better food than you though possible. Odds are his Risotto wasn't perfect. If he'd have seen that, and corrected it, his risotto would have been perfect in the future. You either learn, or you get left behind. It's how kitchens work.
@IronHarper totally agree. Ive worked in the kitchens at some of the best restaurants in NYC, you don't talk back to your sous or executive chef. You just say "yes, chef." and move on.
@elisavet4eva EXACTLY!!!!!!! It's Marco's house...he came into his place and in turn ruined things that take great care to make because he was a lil pissy....lucky he didnt get that fat ass whooped on the way out....all due respect to batali's skill.....but know the respect of the boss! There's a devil in the kitchen bitch
@elisavet4eva I'm sure this wasn't a one of. Just listen to Batali. He doesn't come across as a hot head. On the other hand, Marco Poerre White comes across as an ego maniac. Watching the two of them, I know who'd I'd rather work for.
eh. some people just have different ideas of how things should be.
ultimately, if the chef tells you "do it this way" and he's wrong, or it get's sent back because you were right about it, it's on them.
chef tells me how to do it, doesn't matter if i think he's wrong. it's out of my hands. i followed instruction. nobody to blame but my superior that told me to do so.
BUT..............he is not entitled to endanger, assault or sexually harrass his employees.....just like any other company in the UK. He got off lightly with the salt..........because if he had done that to me he would look a lot different than he does today.
Regardless of whether Mario was right or not, no one questions the head chef. No one. It could be fit for the queen of England, but if the head chef says to take it back, you take it back.
@85hastasiempre some people are narcissistic assholes and deserve to be treated as such, thus the salt in the sauce was the perfect response by Chef Batali. Comprendo?
@disadeuche are U serious???First ; is like a football manager change a player, this player desagree and score a goal against his own team!!! this is not professional.
second Marco Pierre White was the CHEF and not this pseudo-Italian-american cook!!!
If You listen carfully Batali says "my opinion was bla bla bla..."
If You are not the CHEF You can take Your opinion give it the shape of a cone and put it into Your ASS!!!!
but I understand You, if You speack like this is cause You arn't a chef
"This guy" and "15 minutes of youtube fame"? Mario Batali has some of the best Italian restaurants in the entire USA and could out-cook both Marco Pierre White and his late Italian mother combined under the table ANY DAY OF THE WEEK! Get real...
@synr312 I am LCB Chef and have the Honor to know both Gentleman,i will say this Mario knows how to enjoy food, he was born to cook , he is Italian Food of this day, but MPW is in another level,MPW has forgotten more than Batalli will ever know, i say this with the out most respect for Mario whom i love.
MPW does not measure success in a monetary way nor Mario, but their goals are not the same,that is way Mario has had a cadre of restaurants when Marco drop the Chef thing years ago.
@divxsamsung Marco says he got 500 pound a week for wage costs so he kept four hundred gave mario 100 and they shared the washing up. He also dosnt tell the bit about getting all his sauces salted.
lovely how ppl argue about cuisine fusions....ppl that actually can't cook a damn egg. simply go out and have dinner you twats, and DO NOT FORGET TO PAY US lol!
Im suprised that some of these chefs don't get hospitalized by their employees reacting to physical abuse. The salt in the sauces was a classic move though.
@cipher2 I mean if he had even third-degree burn marks I'm sure he could sue Marco for a fair ransom of physical violence. Salt in sauces, Great way to get revenge on a restaurant.
well said my friend. i have been a chef for 11 years now, and although we do have the occasional moan, we are dedicated and hardworking. nothing close to how other people (mainly the bar and restaurant) portray us. they think we stand around doing fuck all like they do on a quiet monday after a brutal weekend..... idiots!
@bloodorange2 don't even make any sense this retarded comment, considering the high salt content of tears the surface of w.e it is you intend to lube will invariably become dry with lots of friction.
I like it that he did what he did, even if it is Marco Pierre White and in that type of environment. Lots of people in the profession accept that they can be abused a certain way and get used to it. That's BS to me.
Whoever this fat fuck is, he's pathetic. Chef or not, you don't go out to sabotage anything. If your head chef tells you it isn't right, you do it again, simple as. To argue with your superior, especially in this enviroment, is fucking stupid. He deserved the pan to the chest.
Seriously. I'm not in the chef business. I do understand the pecking order. But if my superior burned my flesh on purpose. He'd be bleeding profusely by the time I was done with him. I don't care who you are. You do not throw scalding hot food at someone. If I ever saw someone do that to another person it would be on from that point.
Rank is not a legit reason to cause harm to another human being. PERIOD. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fucking idiot.
@Eradarus Thats your opinion, as I just told MrSubtleHustle the same thing. Unless you're in the job, you can't understand it. If chef tells you it's not right, it's not right. He's not going to suddenly change his mind and send it because you're whining about having to make it again. You'll either make it again, or fuck off and find another job, it's simple as that.
You think hot risotto is bad? I've seen alot worse.
@Omgwtflopkas Then you're a pussy who will never defend himself when attacked. I don't give a shit if you say "I don't understand". If someone throws scalding food at me... there will be a fight. And that person will end up bleeding when I stomp their teeth into the back of their skull. It has NOTHING to do with the pecking order and EVERYTHING to do with respect to another human being. Like I said. Anyone who can't understand that... is a fucking idiot.
@Eradarus Whatever you say lad. If you're working for one of the greatest restaurants in your country, learning from the best, to be the best at what you do, such as Wiering to Ramsay, Ramsay to Marco, you'd do anything to stay in that job. You have to. Theres no other way to be the complete and utter fucking best, such as is with the great chefs. I started in the gutter, so did they.
I don't know why you're trying to make this personal with the insults, but i won't rise to it my friend.
@MrSubtlehustle No, i'm not a cook, i'm a chef. Theres a difference. Clearly none of you have worked in in rosette or michelin stared establishments. This is how it works. Chef tells you it's wrong, it's wrong. You don't argue, backchat, or go against their judgement. They're in that position for a reason.
@Omgwtflopkas I understand chain of command, but MPW took that to an unacceptable level by throwing a hot pan into a guy's chest. Even if he were running an elite establishment (which it doesn't sound like he was), there's no excuse for that kind of conduct. A truly elite chef doesn't need to act that way, and in fact if they have such low amounts of control over their own tempers it's not surprising that people might question their judgment.
@bloodorange2 You're just a cunt. You're probably one of those would be foody types, as opposed to someone who enjoys cooking. It's a funny anecdote, no one will ever care what you think, and you're going to die forgotten by everyone and disliked by me.
@bloodorange2 Why the fuck are you leaving 20 comments on this video talking absolute shit and why are you incapable of writing proper sentences? What a sad twat.
what are you all babbling about? you guys do know that Mario and Marco are very good friends right? Mario was even a guest on White's Hells Kitchen in the UK, where Marco described Mario as the "culinary king of america"
Can anyone tell me the kitchen record of this Mario Batali guy? Marco Pierre White went on to be one of the greatest Michelin chefs in the world. What can Batali say except that he's the self-proclaimed expert on Italian food? Just wondering. Nothing from his biography on Wikipedia tells me he's a top chef.
@TheManceMan Batali is not 'self-proclaimed'. He worked in Italy for several years and runs something like 8 restaurants in NYC - very good ones. Babbo (Michelin star), Lupa and Del Posto are superb. I've eat at some of them when I was there - Casa Mono was so good I went 3 times in a week. Read 'Heat' by Bill Buford, then you'll understand about Batali.
and i bet marco was thinking "fuck this mario yank is a big dude at least he didnt lash out and beat me up" marco is not a vary big dude standing next to mario but marco has the biggest balls in a kitchen second to the roux bros he trained gordon and heston and i guess mario had enough respect for marco not to beat him up the salt is a little reminder that people can be arseholes sometimes.
what a fucking pussy...he starts crying, ruins 3 sauces, and walks out...and this guy is a famous chef? what a little girl. nice faggy italian accents on only italian words. douche.
Batali you fat cunt. Being Italian you should know that if someone throws hot Risotto on you, you quickly begin to kick the living shit out of them.
Methrt3 3 days ago
Mario Batali is a miserable wretch.
chr5210 1 week ago
you should of decked him
morend1 2 months ago
Hot risotto is alot like napalm. Two handfuls of salt. Fuck. I love you both. Old school kitchen. Doesn't get any better than that.
dgents100 2 months ago
American food is the best!! Hey you chefs may get pissed about our food but it can be found everywhere. Open an Italian, German, French resturant anywhere in the world, that is of high quality and you have a 80% chance of failure. Now open a Mcdonalds anywhere in the world and bam 95% success rate. Say what you will, but America always does it better.
TheSeer101 3 months ago
@TheSeer101
Seems odd to compare a "high quality" restaurant to a fast food joint, particularly since you have high end American restaurants which are far less successful than their fast food counterparts. Yet I would still claim food by Bobby Flay is better than Ronald McDonald.
Not to mention that the success of McDonalds is hardly about the food - for one thing their burgers never make it to the top of taste tests even in the US. Its a demonstration in the power of branding if anything.
alin1975 3 months ago
@alin1975 If food is bad people will not return, just watch Kitchen Nightmares. Quality is realtive, I know many many people who love McDonalds more than any other food in the world. It is not branding as much as if is understanding what people truly want to eat. Boddy Flay maybe great but no matter what he does he will never claim a billion customers served. The USA figured this out and made billions. Other countries simply can not do this.
TheSeer101 3 months ago
@TheSeer101
Every single consumer survey that I have seen rates other burgers higher. So, lets please abandon the notion that people generally think they are the best tasting.
McDonalds is a typical business case in branding, they were first year bachelor stuff back at uni. Flay and other quality restaurants happen to be far more expensive. You pay for quality or you eat standardised and cheap.
Also dont mistake the lack of huge chains with a lower popularity for the TYPE of food.
alin1975 3 months ago
@alin1975 Does matter, what matters is the number of customers. Say what you will, right now as Ramsey put it "the best resturants in the world are going out of business in this economy." yet McDonalds grows. Something you learn in business 101, is data tells the truth not personal feelings. Again more than a billion people served. No one can call that just branding, sorry but people still crave McDonalds in every part of the globe. They are everything right about food
TheSeer101 3 months ago
@TheSeer101
Again, you fail to factor in price. Top restaurants are expensive. The fact that McDonalds grows in a poor economy supports my argument not yours - and please dont tell me what they teach in business 101.
The fact that McDonals routinely ranks below other US chains in taste tests again supports my position
And you missed my point regarding type of food vs specific restaurant chains. E.g. Italian food can be more popular overall without having a large chain.
alin1975 3 months ago
@TheSeer101
cont...
Just since you brought it up. In business, you never, ever just throw statistics out there without analysis and without trying to understand consumer behaviour. And in this case, there are several motivators other than food quality. In the same paragraph you mentioned the economy and yet didnt think of linking price to success... time to take business 102 I think.
alin1975 3 months ago
@alin1975 First the data is all there for you to read. I am not stating what has not been researched extensively. Your opinion about McDonalds quality is subjective on your part. Reasearch has shown that many consumers are addicted to McDonalds food. Economy has been shown to have little impact on McDonalds. For example look at China and Russia where many people will save all year just to eat there. So again, you have flaws in your analysis
TheSeer101 3 months ago
@TheSeer101
I have seen many taste tests and consumer voting done in the US. Not once have I seen McDonalds win, most of the time they are not even on the list. So subjective, my opinion is not.
The economy argument is bogus and I already showed you why.
The situation in Russia (etc) is again due to branding. In poorer areas it is (or at least it was) a status symbol.
Again, its about understanding consumer motivation. Remember, the argument is about food quality, nothing else.
alin1975 3 months ago
@TheSeer101
Cont...
Even though I am pretty sure you will just continue to ignore whatever doesnt suit your little patriotic rant, this is the third time I will try to get through to you the difference between the popularity of a nations type of food and the existence of big chains. Honestly its not that hard to grasp.
I am indulging you on the McDonalds argument since it is so ridiculous I cant help myself, but in the end its not even relevant.
alin1975 3 months ago
@alin1975 I think you are not understanding the prinicples of marketing. Again in basic business you need to look at data not your feelings. When you mentioned how McDonalds failed in taste tests against other chains, you failed to realize those where US chains. My arguement is the US leads the world in food. Now getting back to pricing, you are again not looking at data. If a family eats at McDonalds or Burger King they can expect pay $30. These chains are not cheap anymore.
TheSeer101 3 months ago
@TheSeer101
You are aware I have a masters degree in this no? Thats on my profile. What isn't is that I also work within marketing
The fact that McDonalds fails in taste tests is a clear indication that their no.1 position is not due to taste. If a family eats at a medium to high end restaurant the price will be many, many times higher. No comparison here at all.
Most importantly, the point you ignore every time - big chains do not mean greater popularity for a certain type of national food
alin1975 3 months ago
@alin1975 So what I have an MBA too. That certainly does not qualify you or me. There are a lot of over educated idiots with MBA's. Throwing your degree around shows a bit of naivety on your part. So now lets get back to the US being the masters of food. Just so you know the studies you are qouting were conducted by McDonalds competitors. Although I would say Burger King and Five Brothers serve a very good hambuger. Again you still havent shown why your fancy food fares poor against McD's.
TheSeer101 3 months ago
@TheSeer101
Listen, if you actually do have an MBA, then you must know how you misused statistics before. I dont care who issued that MBA or how stupid you might be, you are either lying about it or you know full well you stepped in it.
I already pointed out the price issue and showed why your arguments were false.
Before I go any further, please acknowledge the point I have made in every post. The fact that having large chains does not reflect upon the popularity of a national type of food.
alin1975 3 months ago
@alin1975 Getting a little testy are we haha. Now lets look at your statement, "The fact that having large chains does not reflect upon the popularity of a national type of food" . Is this not an oxymoron? I want you to think about this. Now I am starting to feel like I am talking to a child. Your temper tantrum and disconnected ideas make me feel like I am arguing with my children. No one who works in the real world throws around an MBA hahaha It is so funny "I have an MBA" haha
TheSeer101 3 months ago
@TheSeer101
Temper tantrum? I just spelled it out so you would understand. No MBA could analyse a case or use statistics this badly. Let alone ignore all counter arguments. We both pretty much know your goal here is to save face. Good luck with that :)
Now, I have explained that statement before (buying time much?). Large chains do not represent national food as a whole. How often people eat or buy a type of food does not depend on the existence of large chains. Italian is a great example.
alin1975 3 months ago
@alin1975 This is like talking with a 15 year old. If you would spend more time addressing the argument, rather than being a sarcastic brat you would see the holes in your case. You still have not come close to explaining why Mcd's has 95% chance of success while your fancy places have an 85% chance of failure. So far you are getting an F
TheSeer101 3 months ago
@TheSeer101
You have still not addressed the argument regarding large chains.
I have responded to every point you made, the fact that you cannot understand where you are going wrong is not my fault.
Now you repeat the first idiotic statistic again lol. As I said... trying to save face :)
alin1975 3 months ago
@alin1975 I think the problem here is you have made some truly stupid statements. You haven't been able to address my challenge. Why do US food chains fare better than your fancy places anywhere in the world. This is such a simple questions. Take McD's average cost for a meal $7 to $8, certainly not cheap. Why are billions eating there and "Loving It". Come on me something other than your little temper tantrums. You most have been one little ass to raise haha
TheSeer101 3 months ago
@TheSeer101
Do you understand that the presence of large chains does not imply a greater popularity for a certain nation's food? That there can be more food of a certain type sold in smaller establishments, cooked at home, etc?
As for your McDumbass argument, I have answered it. Somehow you dont get the difference between 8 dollars and 80 dollars per meal, or the effect of branding.
It is indeed a simple question, but you seem unable to understand the answer - despite your MBA :)
alin1975 3 months ago
@alin1975 "Do you understand that the presence of large chains does not imply a greater popularity for a certain nation's food?" This statement is like saying "Just because there are Chinese fast food chains on every corner in the US, this doesn't indicate Americans like Chinese food." Haha WTF, do your clients know you are ripping them off? You are a classic example of arrogance being far greater than someones ability and intelligence.
TheSeer101 3 months ago
@TheSeer101
No at all. Its saying that because there may be Chinese food shops or pizzerias (or whatever) on most street corners they do not need to belong to one single giant chain to point to the success of their nation's food.
A lot of food that originates from nations other than the US is eaten in huge quantities from smaller establishments. Americans do indeed like Chinese food without there being a McLee chain.
You keep calling me an idiot yet fail to grasp the simplest of concepts.
alin1975 3 months ago
@alin1975 Again US food chains almost always do better than the small mom and pop resturants. You can open a McD's in any country and the people line up, this is a guarantee. What you fail to understand is a customer doesn't return to a bad resturant with bad food. People all over the world are addicted to McD's, this is a fact. They are also addicted to many other US food chains. The key word here is "addicted".
TheSeer101 3 months ago
@TheSeer101
But more food is sold of other types. Therefore the fact that a few big chains do well, does not mean American food is better than another country's food. So, on the one hand, chains do not represent the success of national food (pizza for example is extremely popular, as is Chinese food). On the other, there are many other factors than taste which determine McDonalds' success. So, the original argument does not hold (you can however commend McD for an excellent business model)
alin1975 3 months ago
@alin1975 By the way, what do you mean by "No at all"?
TheSeer101 3 months ago
@alin1975 I have beem reading your debate. I think the problem maybe how you are coming across. I have been working in marketing for 15 years. What you have to learn is people will disagree with you. When I was new, I also got mad when people did not agree with me. If you are in a meeting you never want to throw around your degree. No one ever uses their degree in a business meeting as power. Also try not to come across as an uber know it all. I think this why people are anger with you.
theeaglequest 3 months ago
@theeaglequest
Judging from the spelling I assume this is another clone account - since there simply cannot be so many highly educated people who can't write a simple sentence, but I will indulge you anyway.
The guy talks of "business 101" and that "I think you are not understanding the prinicples of marketing" (yes, "prinicples"), without being able to grasp that there is any other motivation beyond taste. The degree was information not power.
Now, how about sticking to the one account?
alin1975 3 months ago
@alin1975 Wow!! One word for you "Paranoid"
theeaglequest 3 months ago
@theeaglequest
I have a few more words for you buddy.
15 years in marketing and you write, well, like a 15 year old. No 40 year old marketing expert writes "an uber know it all" or "are anger with you".
Also, if you are to pull rank based on experience, don't make your fictitious character just a couple of years older than your target. Make him 10 or more years older...
alin1975 3 months ago
@alin1975 Its ok, now your acting insane. There is no conspiracy aganist you or multiple accounts or whatever your trying to say. I bet you have high blood pressure, you take yourself and life way to seriously. If there are multiple people messing with you, then don't respond. If someone trolls you and makes you a joke, then don't feed into it. Go take a hot bath and relax.
theeaglequest 2 months ago
@theeaglequest
Of course. Its just a coincidence that the discussion was joined by two 40 year olds, both with MBAs (to go with the MBA that TheSeer101 has). Its also a coincidence that all three are dumb as bricks, and cannot grasp first year bachelor level arguments. Also, it is a coincidence that they all write in the same way, using phrases that you would expect from a teenager, and that none of them installed a spellchecker.
Thank you for bringing me some fun to an otherwise dull day :)
alin1975 2 months ago
@alin1975 Like I said, you are not well. If you are a grown person with an MBA, why are you arguing with bricks? By the way, MBA's are pretty common. I feel bad that I have upset you. It wasn't my intention, but you are lossing control. If it helps you feel better "you win" and "you are smarter than I'am":)
theeaglequest 2 months ago
@theeaglequest
Are you kidding? I love this. I was very disappointed when you packed up your accounts and left.
I argue with "bricks" because I believe deep down that everyone can be reached. I do it for you. You are welcome.
MBAs may not be so rare, but you don't have one (and I speak now to all 3 of your aliases).
Now, back to the fun. For 10 points, which part of the phrase "you are lossing control" does not fit with someone who has an MBA? You can get this, I know you can.
alin1975 2 months ago
@alin1975 You have an MBA, so that makes you a very stable and grown person. I am sure your family is proud of you. Good job:)
theeaglequest 2 months ago
@theeaglequest
Thanks buddy :)
Does not really answer my question, but it's still mighty sweet of you.
alin1975 2 months ago
@theeaglequest Did you know Camden Pierce Hughes? I saw your tribute, it was really sad what happened to that little angel.
TheSeer101 2 months ago
@alin1975 McDonalds just posted record sales. So explain why people are eating Mcdonalds in record numbers? Hummm, branding I would guess is your answer. Looks like McD's is rolling over your fancy restaurants yet again.
TheSeer101 2 months ago
@TheSeer101
Branding, pricing, convenience, etc.
A 100 dollar meal limits your potential clients, particularly in poor economic times.
I always said McDonalds has a great business model, but somehow your little brain can't wrap itself around the notion of there being multiple factors at play, rather than just taste. Its astounding that after all we discussed you could post something like this.
And by the way, I own no fancy restaurants :)
alin1975 2 months ago
@alin1975 I never said you owned a fancy restaurant. What you are not understanding is the love people have for their burgers. You are lost in a very first year understanding of marketing. You have to learn more about the complexities of consumers. I think this is where you are getting confused and then angery. Again you are lost in explaining your position.
TheSeer101 2 months ago
@TheSeer101
The fact that you do not understand my explanation says something about you, not about my explanation.
And yes genius, I must be getting very "angery" lol :D
I know, what about making a fourth account and pretending to back yourself up? It might work this time...
alin1975 2 months ago
@alin1975 Ok, lets stay on topic. Now back to the debate young one. TGI Friday's and Longhorns are American chain restaurants that have slammed many high end restaurants. These restaurants charge fairly high prices, so explain their success over high end ones? Try to keep your paranoia to a minimum and focus. Let me give you a hint, think "process development". I should be charging you for this lesson.
TheSeer101 2 months ago
@TheSeer101
I think you are confusing accounts. You were older than me on the other two :P
I looked up TGI (we dont have them here), and I saw a menu with items from 6 - 16$. Are you kidding me with "high prices"? Its even defined as "casual dining". Why can you not comprehend that there are multiple driving forces in the consumer purchase decision?
Now let me ask you this, how much do you think McDonalds would sell if the price of a Big Mac meal + a desert was 100$? Try to be honest plz...
alin1975 2 months ago
@alin1975 Lol, genius you have Alin1975 as your sign. Humm, I am a guessing that is the year you were born. Just so you know, there are other people older than you in this world haha. If I was born before 1975 doesn't that make me older than you? I want you to think about that one lol Now lets focus and get back on point. Are there people willing to pay $100 for a simple McDs meal? Now think about this question. Do people in Russia save all year to eat one meal at McDs? This is a test.
TheSeer101 2 months ago
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@TheSeer101
Yes, you are older than me :) You are not a stupid teenager who can't spell. I believe you...
Just answer my question as I phrased it. What do you think would happen to McDonalds if they bumped their prices to 100$ for one meal?
alin1975 2 months ago
@alin1975 You have an MBA, so your an expert? If you said that in my resturant I would punch you in the mouth. I am a trained chef, have an MBA and own three resturants. You can roll your MBA up and shove it up your ass. As for chain resturants not representing US food as a whole, this you are way off on. The US is the home of the chain resturant. You obviously havent traveled much, because that is how US food is seen. FYI Italian chains Carrabbas, Olive Garden, Papa Ginos, Macaroni Grill
premolar7 3 months ago
@premolar7
You misunderstood my point
The other guy is arguing that the success of McDonalds is solely due to the fact that they have the best tasting food in the world (including better than that served in high quality American restaurants). I argued that there are other factors involved. The education I pointed to when he said I "do not understand marketing".
My point was that large chains are not the single factor in determining the success of a nation's food.
Why not ask next time?
alin1975 3 months ago
@premolar7
One more thing...
I am not taking anything away from the success of large American chains. Its just not due to the fact that they serve the best food ever eaten.
Second, I am indeed an expert in marketing, and that is what I commented on. You have your restaurants, I have my marketing agency. The difference is, I can spell "restaurant".
Third, I live in Denmark, I was born in Romania, my parents are American, and I did 7 years in a British school... traveled enough for you?
alin1975 3 months ago
@alin1975 So what you are saying is mommy an daddy paid for everything and spoiled you. If your little wise ass traveled to all these countries and you didn't learn the simple facts I stated, then you are an idiot. Also, no one cares how much of a marketing legend you believe yourself to be. You wrote "Why not ask next time?" I read over your little debate and you sound like a smartass know it all.
premolar7 3 months ago
@premolar7
Do you, as the great restauranteur (sorry, let me put this in language you understand: "resturnateur") that you are, agree that McDonalds achieved its success because it has the best tasting food in the world? Is that your position? Because that is what I was arguing against.
As for the rest, you asked me if I traveled, you brought up your restaurants, and now you are whining and dodging points like the other guy. That to me, is being an idiot.
Next time, think before you speak
alin1975 3 months ago
@alin1975 Now I know why Seer101 thinks your an idiot. He has an opinion and you can't seem to handle the fact that someone doesn't agree with you. You act like a snotty little brat who needs a good smacking. As for seer101's point, I understand it. It is pretty simple, but you just have no clue. He is simply saying that US food chains dominate in understanding what people really want to eat. There are many people with a serious McDonalds addiction. He makes an interesting point
premolar7 3 months ago
@premolar7
Seer101 has argued that taste is the number one determining factor. He even argued that McDonalds makes better tasting food than Bobby Flay. I have said from the start that I commend these chains for their strategy, marketing, etc but I disagree that the US makes the best food in the world due to McDonalds' success.
What you are saying here, I dont disagree with one bit. But again, you come and call me an idiot, without even reading up enough to realise that you are making my point
alin1975 3 months ago
Batali > Marco
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by mass ^_^
HumaneAnon 3 months ago
lol....he got hit in the chest with a hot pan and risotto and his reaction was to ruin a few sauces and leave? lmmfao
3rdStreetent 3 months ago
What a load of fuckin shit!! Fat fucker!!
vampire09100 3 months ago
I WANT TO GIVE MARIO BATALI A GOOD BATH.
MANILABOY6631 4 months ago
You know, everyone says Mario is a nice guy and I believe them, but damn if he doesn't come off as a smug self-satisfied twat every time I hear him talk. Maybe its just because I hate people who insist on over-emphasizing their heritage (yes Mario, you totally need to pronounce every single word to the hilt), maybe it's just his accent, maybe it's his love affair with that insufferable patrician asshole Gwyneth Paltrow, but he just makes my skin crawl.
ricex210 4 months ago
god i hate the way americans say risotto. or anything itallian for that matter
EvelcyclopS 5 months ago
@EvelcyclopS So much irony considering MARIO BATALI is a fucking ITALIAN AMERICAN. GTFO BRITISH FAIRY FAGGOT.
Stevenio 4 months ago
@Stevenio FYI, caps lock is situated to the left of the 'A' key.
And itallians do not pronounce risotto like that, or any other words like americans do. That i can assure you.
I believe Batali is american. not itallian.
EvelcyclopS 4 months ago
@EvelcyclopS he has actually lived and trained in Italy, and FYI not all Italians sound alike.
PerfectionObsessive 4 months ago
@PerfectionObsessive i have lived and worked in russia. That doesnt make me pronounce Moscow, Moskva.
Again, my opinion is that i do not appreciate the way americans pronounce itallian words. You may not like that, but i couldnt give a fuck, you bigotted american cunt.
EvelcyclopS 4 months ago
@EvelcyclopS Today I learned that I am a bigot, an american and a cunt, but that doesn't make sense because I'm German.
PerfectionObsessive 4 months ago
@EvelcyclopS The fact that you think all Italians across the board say the same thing tells me you know jack shit about Italia. You really think a Calabrian says risotto the same was as someone from Milan? Of course not you uncultured peasant.
Stevenio 4 months ago
@Stevenio "you know jack shit about Italia"
I think you meant 'Italy'.
EvelcyclopS 4 months ago
@EvelcyclopS Nope I Meant Italia, I am Italian you stupid tea drinking faggot. FORZA ITALIA. And fuck your piss fish and chip shit "cuisine."
Stevenio 4 months ago
@Stevenio I'd choose the Brits over you annoying Italians.
staringintotheabyss 4 months ago
what an asshole.
TomValedro 5 months ago
Marco and Mario are friends now. You people are fucking stupid.
FireballKid 5 months ago
you are a f**king div!! putting your kitchen in the shit cos your fat and uneducated!!!
BarryHartshorne 5 months ago
mario stop associate urself with marco....u r shit...
retrotw 6 months ago
All this blah blah blah!!
Enough!!
Marco didn't like the hairy baked bean..
Mario soft scoop didn't like the master..
It was a way of saying "it's never going to be right Ginger jelly roll so read between the lines and fuck off"
Mario threw salt in in all the stocks because Mario is a fucking liar trying to get air time talking Ginger spuff..
Bye bye mario and take the fucking bin bags with you..
bloodorange2 6 months ago
what a plonker this guy..
coolsushant 6 months ago
@elisavet4eva I don't work for assholes.
darkoanton5 6 months ago
@darkoanton5 If the head chef says the risotto is not right it's not right. Even if it's right.
IronHarper 6 months ago
@IronHarper I doesn't give anybody the right to throw a pan full of hot risotto at an employee. Just fire him.
darkoanton5 6 months ago
@darkoanton5 I see no evidence that actually happened.
IronHarper 6 months ago
@darkoanton5 P.S you've clearly never worked in a decent kitchen. If you had you'd understand either way, callous as that sounds.
IronHarper 6 months ago
@IronHarper Not my career choice. But whatever is the tradition, it's wrong. I could also say stuff about MPW cook books, but that's another topic.
darkoanton5 6 months ago
@darkoanton5 Again, if you haven't worked in a competitive kitchen, don't make calls like that. You wouldn't say it was wrong to tackle someone in Rugby, but you would in the normal world. It's that kind of thing.
IronHarper 6 months ago
@IronHarper I wouldn't say throwing something at somebody in any work place is right. In fact, it's assault. As a result bosses who do that should face the legal consequences. I'd be very surprised if Mario Batali did that to any of his employees. I make this call based on my perception of basic human decency. I suppose you can't see that. You make the Rugby comparison. Tackling is within the written rules of the sport.
darkoanton5 6 months ago
@darkoanton5 It's a kitchen. It's how it works. You can't handle it, you don't do it. it's as simple as that. You don't give a fuck about human rights, you give a fuck about satisfying customers and producing better food than you though possible. Odds are his Risotto wasn't perfect. If he'd have seen that, and corrected it, his risotto would have been perfect in the future. You either learn, or you get left behind. It's how kitchens work.
IronHarper 6 months ago
@IronHarper Odds are he didn't know jack squat about real Italian food.
darkoanton5 6 months ago
@darkoanton5 He knew more than either of us. I can't criticise him, I hope you won't either.
IronHarper 6 months ago
@IronHarper totally agree. Ive worked in the kitchens at some of the best restaurants in NYC, you don't talk back to your sous or executive chef. You just say "yes, chef." and move on.
Osmo345 5 months ago
@elisavet4eva EXACTLY!!!!!!! It's Marco's house...he came into his place and in turn ruined things that take great care to make because he was a lil pissy....lucky he didnt get that fat ass whooped on the way out....all due respect to batali's skill.....but know the respect of the boss! There's a devil in the kitchen bitch
miller434 6 months ago
@elisavet4eva I'm sure this wasn't a one of. Just listen to Batali. He doesn't come across as a hot head. On the other hand, Marco Poerre White comes across as an ego maniac. Watching the two of them, I know who'd I'd rather work for.
darkoanton5 6 months ago 2
@elisavet4eva I could care less. Marco Pierre White in an ass and a jerk, chef or no chef.
darkoanton5 6 months ago 2
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Now that's a funny way to say fuck off I quit!
atmatheprophet 6 months ago
eh. some people just have different ideas of how things should be.
ultimately, if the chef tells you "do it this way" and he's wrong, or it get's sent back because you were right about it, it's on them.
chef tells me how to do it, doesn't matter if i think he's wrong. it's out of my hands. i followed instruction. nobody to blame but my superior that told me to do so.
gpizzle123 6 months ago
You should have just made the risotto, maybe you'd actually be somebody now if you had.
hdgr3000 7 months ago
The head chef is in control.
BUT..............he is not entitled to endanger, assault or sexually harrass his employees.....just like any other company in the UK. He got off lightly with the salt..........because if he had done that to me he would look a lot different than he does today.
supersesqui 7 months ago
Regardless of whether Mario was right or not, no one questions the head chef. No one. It could be fit for the queen of England, but if the head chef says to take it back, you take it back.
goldenmage 7 months ago
mario.....You ruined Italian kitchen in the world.... and You say U're a chef??!!??!!
Chef=Professionist
Professionist didn't ruine basic sauces and walk away.....
If you wanna become a chef, you must take your head down....
chef didn't mean write books!!! asshole!
85hastasiempre 7 months ago
@85hastasiempre some people are narcissistic assholes and deserve to be treated as such, thus the salt in the sauce was the perfect response by Chef Batali. Comprendo?
disadeuche 7 months ago
@disadeuche are U serious???First ; is like a football manager change a player, this player desagree and score a goal against his own team!!! this is not professional.
second Marco Pierre White was the CHEF and not this pseudo-Italian-american cook!!!
If You listen carfully Batali says "my opinion was bla bla bla..."
If You are not the CHEF You can take Your opinion give it the shape of a cone and put it into Your ASS!!!!
but I understand You, if You speack like this is cause You arn't a chef
85hastasiempre 7 months ago
A lot of chefs have big egos. I'd work for Mario Batali in a heart beat. He's a tremendous chef who's also a great human being.
darkoanton5 7 months ago
the thumbnail picture looks ike the the housekeeper women from 2 and a half men
HadoukevMoongoose 8 months ago 36
@HadoukevMoongoose Anyone else click back just to see the thumbnail again?
JoshuaNassir2 5 months ago
I read Chef White's book and by golly, he's a first class self-aggrandizing narcissist.
StungByNerds 8 months ago
talking back to your head chef, you deserve to have the risotto thrown at you! if your head chef said do it again you fucking do it again.
tobias65 8 months ago 2
all i heard was him bitching
yaayo09 9 months ago
The point of the story is that Marco Pierre White is a Knorr stock using asshole.
houseofchintz 9 months ago 2
and ?
point of this story is?????
ptexys 10 months ago
@ptexys He got pissed off at Marco, Ruined all the sauces are broths with salt and he quit.
Not hard to understand really, is it? If you're looking for a moral, look somewhere else
AvatarTwasCheesy 8 months ago
Wow. YouTube comments are so funny.
SuttonSantiniPaulo 11 months ago 9
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andy18401 11 months ago
@andy18401
"This guy" and "15 minutes of youtube fame"? Mario Batali has some of the best Italian restaurants in the entire USA and could out-cook both Marco Pierre White and his late Italian mother combined under the table ANY DAY OF THE WEEK! Get real...
synr312 11 months ago
@synr312 I am LCB Chef and have the Honor to know both Gentleman,i will say this Mario knows how to enjoy food, he was born to cook , he is Italian Food of this day, but MPW is in another level,MPW has forgotten more than Batalli will ever know, i say this with the out most respect for Mario whom i love.
MPW does not measure success in a monetary way nor Mario, but their goals are not the same,that is way Mario has had a cadre of restaurants when Marco drop the Chef thing years ago.
All IMHO
ElmaCannonPrieto 11 months ago
was this not the day Marco was trying to track down who used salt poisoning in his resturant. luckly no one was seriously hurt
stillett12343 1 year ago
Its funny how the story differs in Marcos book the devil in the kitchen
MichaelBickford 1 year ago
@MichaelBickford how does marco account for it in the devil in the kitchen?
divxsamsung 1 year ago
@divxsamsung Marco says he got 500 pound a week for wage costs so he kept four hundred gave mario 100 and they shared the washing up. He also dosnt tell the bit about getting all his sauces salted.
MichaelBickford 1 year ago
For what it's worth, MPW and MB are friends today. This is a funny story ...
ORDLMG 1 year ago
lovely how ppl argue about cuisine fusions....ppl that actually can't cook a damn egg. simply go out and have dinner you twats, and DO NOT FORGET TO PAY US lol!
TheZippler 1 year ago
All I know, is don't tick off an Italian chef. Telling an Italian Chef that his food isn't good, is like saying "Yo Mama" to a black person. :)
freddyrated 1 year ago 4
Im suprised that some of these chefs don't get hospitalized by their employees reacting to physical abuse. The salt in the sauces was a classic move though.
cipher2 1 year ago
@cipher2 I mean if he had even third-degree burn marks I'm sure he could sue Marco for a fair ransom of physical violence. Salt in sauces, Great way to get revenge on a restaurant.
Megoraxos 1 year ago
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MrHomeChef 1 year ago
@MrHomeChef
well said my friend. i have been a chef for 11 years now, and although we do have the occasional moan, we are dedicated and hardworking. nothing close to how other people (mainly the bar and restaurant) portray us. they think we stand around doing fuck all like they do on a quiet monday after a brutal weekend..... idiots!
muzdog83 1 year ago
Marco Pierre White made Gordon cry like a little bitch. Is it not a surprise that most of his proteges went on to become famous chefs?
spiXelw0w 1 year ago
Tears make the best lube..
bloodorange2 1 year ago
@bloodorange2 ha!!!!
carwashcunt 1 year ago
@bloodorange2 don't even make any sense this retarded comment, considering the high salt content of tears the surface of w.e it is you intend to lube will invariably become dry with lots of friction.
farmdog45 1 year ago
i hate this fckn guy
NapoliXBleedsXBlue 1 year ago
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I can piss in my mouth.
bloodorange2 1 year ago
I like it that he did what he did, even if it is Marco Pierre White and in that type of environment. Lots of people in the profession accept that they can be abused a certain way and get used to it. That's BS to me.
uberathlete 1 year ago
Whoever this fat fuck is, he's pathetic. Chef or not, you don't go out to sabotage anything. If your head chef tells you it isn't right, you do it again, simple as. To argue with your superior, especially in this enviroment, is fucking stupid. He deserved the pan to the chest.
Omgwtflopkas 1 year ago
@Omgwtflopkas Seig heil much?
Seriously. I'm not in the chef business. I do understand the pecking order. But if my superior burned my flesh on purpose. He'd be bleeding profusely by the time I was done with him. I don't care who you are. You do not throw scalding hot food at someone. If I ever saw someone do that to another person it would be on from that point.
Rank is not a legit reason to cause harm to another human being. PERIOD. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fucking idiot.
Eradarus 1 year ago
@Eradarus Thats your opinion, as I just told MrSubtleHustle the same thing. Unless you're in the job, you can't understand it. If chef tells you it's not right, it's not right. He's not going to suddenly change his mind and send it because you're whining about having to make it again. You'll either make it again, or fuck off and find another job, it's simple as that.
You think hot risotto is bad? I've seen alot worse.
Omgwtflopkas 1 year ago
@Omgwtflopkas Then you're a pussy who will never defend himself when attacked. I don't give a shit if you say "I don't understand". If someone throws scalding food at me... there will be a fight. And that person will end up bleeding when I stomp their teeth into the back of their skull. It has NOTHING to do with the pecking order and EVERYTHING to do with respect to another human being. Like I said. Anyone who can't understand that... is a fucking idiot.
Eradarus 1 year ago
@Eradarus Whatever you say lad. If you're working for one of the greatest restaurants in your country, learning from the best, to be the best at what you do, such as Wiering to Ramsay, Ramsay to Marco, you'd do anything to stay in that job. You have to. Theres no other way to be the complete and utter fucking best, such as is with the great chefs. I started in the gutter, so did they.
I don't know why you're trying to make this personal with the insults, but i won't rise to it my friend.
Omgwtflopkas 1 year ago
@Omgwtflopkas "this fat fuck" is Mario Batali, possibly the best ever Italian american chef. "in this enviroment" are you even a cook???
MrSubtlehustle 1 year ago
@MrSubtlehustle No, i'm not a cook, i'm a chef. Theres a difference. Clearly none of you have worked in in rosette or michelin stared establishments. This is how it works. Chef tells you it's wrong, it's wrong. You don't argue, backchat, or go against their judgement. They're in that position for a reason.
Omgwtflopkas 1 year ago
@Omgwtflopkas "Starred" not "stared"
aldexreyes 1 year ago
@Omgwtflopkas I understand chain of command, but MPW took that to an unacceptable level by throwing a hot pan into a guy's chest. Even if he were running an elite establishment (which it doesn't sound like he was), there's no excuse for that kind of conduct. A truly elite chef doesn't need to act that way, and in fact if they have such low amounts of control over their own tempers it's not surprising that people might question their judgment.
va3svd 1 year ago 4
@va3svd sadly, many elite chefs act that way because, apart from their talent in the kitchen, they think that's also what makes them elite.
angelenriqu1 11 months ago
Cunt..
Sad twat..
That's not very nice..
Just because you pair of self facials belive that ginger turd there's no need to throw your toys at me..
Knock one out of a pregnant shemale porn and run along to your bunk bed..
Silly billys..
bloodorange2 1 year ago
@bloodorange2 I actually got it all except for the pregnant shemale porn
Wait just got it as I typed. Who's billy? hehe
BurnOutXL 1 year ago
wow you fat kunt, you sabotaged the sauce
peder1234 1 year ago
OMG WHY CANT MARCO REALISE HES JUST A FUCKING COOK?!
LowleyUK 1 year ago
Fooking line chef..
A line chef..
Eggs over easy road side dinner who hit me with the salt shaker..
I wouldn't push your long grain rice back into your man boob chest..
Id shave your head and fry a egg on it..
bloodorange2 1 year ago
The more I play back this fantasy story the more I realise it's got more holes in it than a Ginger tea bag..
A gucking barman to a line chef..
Pre cooked risotto..
Well it was a French restaurant..
bloodorange2 1 year ago
Antony bourdain will be on here in a minute.. Cashing in on bollock storys..
Hi Antony you fucking stick insect..
Story telling ladder man..
Tony?
Anal prolapse..
Tampon.
Paid.
bloodorange2 1 year ago
But let's not get carried away here..
Mario has never worked under Marco
Why the fuck would Marco even trust a fuvking yank fat Ginger gerbil in his brigade..
bloodorange2 1 year ago
@bloodorange2 You're just a cunt. You're probably one of those would be foody types, as opposed to someone who enjoys cooking. It's a funny anecdote, no one will ever care what you think, and you're going to die forgotten by everyone and disliked by me.
SgtSpankey 1 year ago
Mario's risotto was probably on the point..
Marco didn't like him..
Risotto can sit.. It's not swordfish, bass fillet or pot rice noodle..
bloodorange2 1 year ago
@bloodorange2 Why the fuck are you leaving 20 comments on this video talking absolute shit and why are you incapable of writing proper sentences? What a sad twat.
Aardvarked88 1 year ago
3. I fingered your sister tonight and found your dads wedding ring..
bloodorange2 1 year ago
2 things..
1. I'm not your mate..
2. And..
bloodorange2 1 year ago
Mario, we love you !
the Chefs
chefgiovanni 1 year ago
the guy looks more like a baloon more then a cook
aatteeii 1 year ago
people need to be reminded there very close friends now.
xThumperxbassx 1 year ago 5
His fat thus his groin and armpit areas would smell..
bloodorange2 1 year ago
@bloodorange2 u got no fuken respect mate!!
maso0994 1 year ago
what are you all babbling about? you guys do know that Mario and Marco are very good friends right? Mario was even a guest on White's Hells Kitchen in the UK, where Marco described Mario as the "culinary king of america"
solecontroller 1 year ago
never trust a skinny chef
fafinaf 1 year ago 4
...Chef Ramsay could straight up stomp the dog shit out of super mario batali
dreckken 1 year ago
Marco is a world class Chef. A innovator.
Batali is a product of TV and having a few influential wealthy friends in the restaurant business.
EclecticDiscus 1 year ago 3
he looks like berta out of two and a half men, no offence.
alexnzxVersion2 1 year ago
berta from two and a half men!
BrianCalo 1 year ago
He looks like a fat ginger gerbil..
And what's with the beard..
His fat..
Oh but you don't want to look fat..
I get it..
So what you going to do about your gut..
bloodorange2 1 year ago
Can anyone tell me the kitchen record of this Mario Batali guy? Marco Pierre White went on to be one of the greatest Michelin chefs in the world. What can Batali say except that he's the self-proclaimed expert on Italian food? Just wondering. Nothing from his biography on Wikipedia tells me he's a top chef.
TheManceMan 1 year ago
@TheManceMan Batali is not 'self-proclaimed'. He worked in Italy for several years and runs something like 8 restaurants in NYC - very good ones. Babbo (Michelin star), Lupa and Del Posto are superb. I've eat at some of them when I was there - Casa Mono was so good I went 3 times in a week. Read 'Heat' by Bill Buford, then you'll understand about Batali.
24943808 1 year ago
and i bet marco was thinking "fuck this mario yank is a big dude at least he didnt lash out and beat me up" marco is not a vary big dude standing next to mario but marco has the biggest balls in a kitchen second to the roux bros he trained gordon and heston and i guess mario had enough respect for marco not to beat him up the salt is a little reminder that people can be arseholes sometimes.
I dont think mario is a soft cock anymore !
djrakman 1 year ago
lol fucked the whole kitchen over
thatsMrSmileytoyou 1 year ago
Do these chef's have their souls on their tongues ?
Goodness knows what they would say to my spam-fritters.
spiderboymax 1 year ago
what a fucking pussy...he starts crying, ruins 3 sauces, and walks out...and this guy is a famous chef? what a little girl. nice faggy italian accents on only italian words. douche.
kylefields18 1 year ago